Why did Walt tell Lock not to open the hatch?

[NowhereIsMyHome]

Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I didn't have several hours to meticulously research whether or not this particular idea has been posted before. So, watching the show, its easy to assume that Locke's vision of how to do things is often correct. He is somehow is deeper communication with the island that the other survivors. Him and Walt were friends, but the hatch got between them. Walt told Locke not to open the hatch. What does Walt know about the hatch? Why did he even have an opinion on whether or not to open it? Do you think that them opening the hatch prompted the others to kidnap Walt? Is there a connection between Walt's disappearance and Locke's refusal to listen to Walt? Was opening the hatch the first sign that Locke's will is not perfect? That he is prone to impulse, even in the face of possible danger to those on the island? Please share your thoughts about the Walt/Locke/hatch connection. Thanks.

[Crandyman]

I don't think them opening the hatch led to Walt being taken or anything like that. We know Walt has some sort of "power" which apparently has a least something to do with 'seeing' the future. He was obviously warning Locke because of something he 'saw'. What that vision was we don't know but I'm sure we will eventually.

Locke has his own agenda. He believes in it so blindly that his actions sometimes put the rest of the lostaways at risk. drabauer has a very nice thread discussing Locke. You can find it by clicking Lock and the Other who really believes (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7507)

[Lost In His Eyes]

Right before Walt tells Locke not to open the hatch, Locke has his hand on Walt's shoulder, I think. From that contact, Walt got some kind of vision or feeling or something, it seems, telling/showing him that opening the hatch would be bad.
I don't think him knowing anything about the hatch had anything to do with him being kidnapped. I think that somehow, the others or whoever took him somehow knew that he was 'special' and that that's why he was taken.

[AC Warrior]

I doubt they took Walt because they think he is special. The latest Episode, when Echo mentioned that he and Jin saw the others, the blond Tailender said. " Did you see the kids?" ( or something like that) but think for a second. Kids. Pural form. They want/need kids in general for some reason. But its offtopic, just wanted to put it in.

[Greatsageandeminentjunkie]

I'm sure this question can be answered like most of Lost's questions can be answered: it seemed like a cool idea at the time.

[NowhereIsMyHome]

I think Walt's dissociation from Locke is significant, considering how drawn to Locke Walt was at first. Walt used to like Locke so much that he would hang out with him even though his dad almost killed Locke for it. Why the sudden turn around? Locke and Walt are the two most important characters on the show, practically, and yet that one, very weird interaction between the two of them is ignored. Why?

[Lost In His Eyes]

^lmao!

Well, I'm just saying there has to be a reason why TPTB decided to point out that Walt is 'special'. And if Walt is just like any othe kid that they want/need, why didn't they take him the same way they took the kids from the TSSs? They grabbed those kids almost right after the plane came down. (According to what AL said) Why wait until after Walt and the other raftaways had set sail to grab him? They had more than a month to take him.

[AC Warrior]

Why have the Others not taken anyone from the main group like they have the TSSs? They, for whatever reason, have been going after the TSSs alot more than the others. If they thought he was special, why would they wait until he was on the raft to take him? They could of snatched him at anytime when he was wandering in the jungle with Vincent.

When did AL say they took kids? She said they took three of 'us' the first night and then nine 'more' two weeks later. She didn't say kids. But the blonde TSS (can't remember her name) did ask Eko is he saw the 'Kids', so that may be an indirect way of telling us kids were in the back. Or maybe they were already there with the Others? Should find out soon.

[yraz]

i think locke's dicision to open the hatch is juts part of how he fuinctions. In Deus Ex Machina, he was warned that looking for his real dad would probably lead to problems but he pushed through with it still. Plus, in the first episode of season 2 he explained to hurley that he wanted to open the hatch regardless of hurley's warning because he just wanted to. That was when jack mentioned the whole saving everyone's lives which seemed secondary for locke.

maybe walt knew that they'd be stuck on the island if they found out about the button. <-- which makes the numbers bad

[LQ Jones]

maybe walt knew that they'd be stuck on the island if they found out about the button.

It's hard to say.
I think the opening of the Hatch was extremely beneficial to the castaways: (1) food pantry, (2) weapons cache, (3) the realization that a scientific project had been started on the island, (4) tools and a place to shower, and probably a lot more.
Right now, only Walt knows why he warned Locke...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Hey Greatsageandeminentjunkie, it's always good to have another King fan around here. Welcome, Henry!

[yraz]

It's hard to say.
I think the opening of the Hatch was extremely beneficial to the castaways: (1) food pantry, (2) weapons cache, (3) the realization that a scientific project had been started on the island, (4) tools and a place to shower, and probably a lot more.
Right now, only Walt knows why he warned Locke...

was just speculating based on the possible danger surrounding the hatch. and for now i can think of 2 things, the button and whatever is behind that wall.

[Daan]

Walt told Locke this because the button is bad and they should not press it.

[drabauer]

There is still a huge misunderstanding on this board about Walt's message. Lindelof gave an interview in which he specifically stated that Walt said: "Press the button. Don't press the button -- bad!"

[yraz]

got that oneloud and clear, but why the numbers are bad, that seems to be the question :)

[Zeek]

Couldn't it just be that Walt saw a vision of Kate and Locke at the end of Desmond's AK-47 and perhaps Desmond shooting his pistol in Jack's general direction? If I saw quick glimpses of those events I'd probably say bad things were happening.

[Dlovely]

Walt told Locke this because the button is bad and they should not press it.

What if the button is not bad, but Walt is? I saw some discussions surrounding Walt possibly being evil and we do have evidence of bad things happening around him. If he has the foresight to predict "bad" things happening, then why did he not know that the people on the boat were bad and would kidnap him? Why did he give Vincent to Shannon to "protect" her, and then end up leading her to her death?
We still do not know how his mother died either. What if he was in some way responsible? Just a thought.

By the way this is my first post, so please be gentle:)

[ManofAdventure]

Why did he give Vincent to Shannon to "protect" her, and then end up leading her to her death?


Personally I think the dog gets way more credit than it deserves of playing a major role in this Shannon incident. Maybe it was just running around for its own enjoyment and Walt was the one following the dog?

[DreaminLost]

I didn't see that Walt disassociated himself from Locke at all. He ASK Locke not to open it, but I don't think Locke going ahead with his plan hurt his relationship with Walt.

As for wondering if the Gorton Fishermen took Walt because he was 'special'... I used to think that was why they took him. But NOW, since we know they took all the other kids from the plane, I think they just want kids in general. For what purpose, we have yet to learn.

I do believe, however, that Walt and his 'powers' will give them a run for their money, so to speak. They might not be able to control him-- I doubt if they wanted him appearing to Shannon with warnings.

[nicolbw]

On the Dharma video the guy said they were studying the electromagnetic occurances in that section of the island. It sounded to me like that is the only part of the island that has strong magnetic properties. So maybe that is why the others don't go to that side of the island. They can't for that reason. That's why they had to take Walt from the boat instead of on the island. Plus when they attacked and killed Steve they came in from the water NOT the land.

Just a thought.

[JohnLocke]

Walt knew bad things would happen if the hatch was opened. Desmond has run away and now the castaways control the hatch and can leave when they please...this is bad as the world is more likely to blowup.

So now the others are coming...

[Daan]

What if the button is not bad, but Walt is? I saw some discussions surrounding Walt possibly being evil and we do have evidence of bad things happening around him. If he has the foresight to predict "bad" things happening, then why did he not know that the people on the boat were bad and would kidnap him? Why did he give Vincent to Shannon to "protect" her, and then end up leading her to her death?
We still do not know how his mother died either. What if he was in some way responsible? Just a thought.

By the way this is my first post, so please be gentle:)

You could be right about that, but still, the button is bad for Walt so this is why he doesnt want our folks to press it.

[sam o nela]

On the Dharma video the guy said they were studying the electromagnetic occurances in that section of the island. It sounded to me like that is the only part of the island that has strong magnetic properties. So maybe that is why the others don't go to that side of the island. They can't for that reason. That's why they had to take Walt from the boat instead of on the island. Plus when they attacked and killed Steve they came in from the water NOT the land.

Just a thought.

That is also a VERY good point...however if this were the case, how was it that Ethan was able to live among the 48 survivors and come and go as he pleased (assuming of course that he was one of the others...)

[nicolbw]

Claire did flash back to when she was kidnapped and scratched Danielle. Maybe Ethan was like Danielle in that he was alone on the island and maybe he seen Claire all alone, knocked up and thought he would start his own family. lol

I usually try not to assume anything especially on this show.

[Hodgepodge]

I think it's important to look at that scene in it's entirety. LIHE sets the scene correctly, but we need to go back a little further.

In the episode ...In Translation, Walt admits to Locke he burned the raft. "I don't want to move anymore. I've been moving places my whole life. I like it here." When Michael says he's going to rebuild the raft, Walt volunteers to help. Remember in the beginning, he wanted no part of the raft. He had to be forced to help. Was he going to burn the second raft? Nothing had changed. He still loved living on the island.

Then in Born To Run, Michael is stricken ill. Now we all know it was Kate's idea, and probably Sun's implementation. But do you want to guess who gave Michael the water bottle? That's right, Walt! Did he see the plotters at work, and decided to try once again to sabotage his dad's work? Later on in the same episode, Walt tells Locke he didn't have anything to do with making his dad sick. Is he covering because Locke knows about the first raft? Maybe he didn't intentionally give Michael the "bad" water? I'm just putting it out there to tell the complete story.

Then Locke touches his wrist. He pulls away! "Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Don't open that thing." Now prior to this, Walt's done any and everything to stay on the island.

Then he admits to his dad he set the first raft on fire. " I'm the one that burned the raft. I didn't want to leave and I thought I could stop you. Sorry. I'm really sorry, dad." Was he going to do it anyway? I don't know! But when Michael says, he willing to stay on the island. They don't have to leave. Walt says, "yes we do!"

As it was mentioned earlier in the thread. Walt had, what we like to call a "havid". Hallucination/vision/dream. And he's the only one privy to what he saw. But, because of what he went through to stay on the island, I'd say it's pretty bad. And we may not have seen the worst of it.

[Kostamojen]

I think it's important to look at that scene in it's entirety. LIHE sets the scene correctly, but we need to go back a little further.

In the episode ...In Translation, Walt admits to Locke he burned the raft. "I don't want to move anymore. I've been moving places my whole life. I like it here." When Michael says he's going to rebuild the raft, Walt volunteers to help. Remember in the beginning, he wanted no part of the raft. He had to be forced to help. Was he going to burn the second raft? Nothing had changed. He still loved living on the island.

Then in Born To Run, Michael is stricken ill. Now we all know it was Kate's idea, and probably Sun's implementation. But do you want to guess who gave Michael the water bottle? That's right, Walt! Did he see the plotters at work, and decided to try once again to sabotage his dad's work? Later on in the same episode, Walt tells Locke he didn't have anything to do with making his dad sick. Is he covering because Locke knows about the first raft? Maybe he didn't intentionally give Michael the "bad" water? I'm just putting it out there to tell the complete story.

Then Locke touches his wrist. He pulls away! "Don't open it, Mr. Locke. Don't open that thing." Now prior to this, Walt's done any and everything to stay on the island.

Then he admits to his dad he set the first raft on fire. " I'm the one that burned the raft. I didn't want to leave and I thought I could stop you. Sorry. I'm really sorry, dad." Was he going to do it anyway? I don't know! But when Michael says, he willing to stay on the island. They don't have to leave. Walt says, "yes we do!"

As it was mentioned earlier in the thread. Walt had, what we like to call a "havid". Hallucination/vision/dream. And he's the only one privy to what he saw. But, because of what he went through to stay on the island, I'd say it's pretty bad. And we may not have seen the worst of it.
I think you are on to something... Walt seems to be the key, or at least a major factor, in what is going on...

I'm still not sure whether Walt is good or Bad though (led shannon to her death, burned the raft then changed his mind perhaps he knew he would be kidnaped, knows about what the button is doing, etc.) whether the "others" are Good or Bad may actually determine whether Walt is good or bad. I still think they may just be insane enough to think they are Good when in fact they are bad, but i'm sure we will find out at some point...

However, I do think Walt may be an other and always has been...