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camelsmoker
01-26-06, 01:23 PM
Hurley seems to recognize her from somewhere. And Libby's little remark about Hurley stepping on her foot just screams LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. Now before anyone starts saying, "Well, even if she's lying, she had to be on the flight because she said Hurley was the last one on, and that he was all sweaty and wearing headphones.", imagine this scenario.

Libby talking to redshirt:

Libby: Hey, you know that big guy, what's his name?
Redshirt: Oh, you mean Hurley. Nice guy, built a golf course.
Libby: Hurley, that's right. He seems so familiar.
Redshirt: Yeah, remember, he was the last one on the plane? We're all ready to go, the pilot's already made his little welcome speech, and suddenly this guy comes on, with his oversize headphones, sweating all over the place. Funny, though, if he'd arrived five minutes later, he'd have missed the flight and not gotten stuck here on Craphole Island with us.
Libby: Hmmm, that is interesting...

I think, now more than ever, that there is definitely something about Libby.
Is she an "Other", like Goodwin? Was she a part of the Dharma Initiative? Is she really Karen DeGroot? Will Hurley eventually recognize her? What say you?

Poesmother
01-26-06, 01:27 PM
I'm guessing she's a pathological liar who was actually in the psych ward with Hurley as a patient. I DO think she was on the plane and is stranded like the rest of them, but I think she's has the potential to cause havoc in future episodes if she is a blatant liar. She may have seen Hurley get on the plane, but I doubt he stepped on her foot.

Sage_elf 68
01-26-06, 01:28 PM
Wasn't there some talk about Libby being a councelor at the institute where Hurley was when he got the numbers? Maybe he recognizes her from there.

WASTE
01-26-06, 01:30 PM
Yeah, she's either a liar or just crazy.

My guess is that she was with Hurley in the institution, but wasn't a counsellor.

Jessicaswanlake
01-26-06, 01:31 PM
Her remark about him stepping on her foot seemed like a bid to change the subject fast. How would he have stepped on her foot? She was supposedly seated in the back and he was in the midsection- by the time he got on, everyone was already secured in their seats. I am all for the theory that she was in the hospital with him- he seemed to recognise her after she said something, like a phrase triggered his memory.

camelsmoker
01-26-06, 01:33 PM
Wasn't there some talk about Libby being a councelor at the institute where Hurley was when he got the numbers? Maybe he recognizes her from there.
Yeah, I've read lots of posts claiming that Libby must have worked at the ward where Hurley was institutionalized, but I think it is more likely that Libby was a patient, not a psychologist.

ILoveEko
01-26-06, 01:36 PM
She's not Karen DeGroot. That's for sure. Way too young.

Sage_elf 68
01-26-06, 01:42 PM
I think it is more likely that Libby was a patient, not a psychologist.
That's pretty interesting. I could definately see that being the case.

camelsmoker
01-26-06, 01:42 PM
She's not Karen DeGroot. That's for sure. Way too young.

Agreed, ILE, I just threw that out there to see if anyone would bite. By the way, does anyone agree with me that we still have no conclusive evidence that Hurley was a patient at the ward, and not an employee?

timbo910
01-26-06, 01:48 PM
She's not Karen DeGroot. That's for sure. Way too young.


She can't be because Liam's wife is Karen DeGroot.... her name was Karen, you know. The writers wouldn't have two people named Karen on the same show.... oh, wait.... isn't Karen Kate's step-sister or something..... where is Mr. Noodleman when you need him?

igator210
01-26-06, 02:08 PM
My impression of the "Do I know you line".

It's kind of like when a guy meets a girl for the first time, and all of a sudden she says she loves football and basketball and going to rock concerts and basiclly doing everything the guy loves. A lot of guys pull out one of two lines "Where have you been all my life" or "Do I know you" which means like "Wow, we have so much in common, it's like we already know each other. Maybe we do all ready know each other".

M Waste
01-26-06, 03:01 PM
I'm guessing she's a pathological liar who was actually in the psych ward with Hurley as a patient. I DO think she was on the plane and is stranded like the rest of them, but I think she's has the potential to cause havoc in future episodes if she is a blatant liar. She may have seen Hurley get on the plane, but I doubt he stepped on her foot.

good one. hadn't thought of that. I just kind of assumed she worked at the institute

By the way, does anyone agree with me that we still have no conclusive evidence that Hurley was a patient at the ward, and not an employee?

I'm pretty sure that Hurley said that he used to be IN a mental institution. I could be wrong though.

sawyerhasbestlines
01-26-06, 03:15 PM
Well sinse everyone on the island is a nutjob, it's safe to assume Libby is one also.

The question is, was she lying about being on the plane? Or had she been following Hurley around for awhile. She could have seen him on TV, and she could seem familiar because she was stalking him - for the cash.

azteclady
01-26-06, 04:25 PM
:wave2: Hi, shbl!!! :flowers:

Last night someone mentioned in chat that Libby may have indeed worked at the hospital / mental ward where Hurley was, pre-Lotto win, and that she recognized him in the island, not just as an ex-patient, but also as the one who won all those millions in the Lottery. Is is a possibility, just as it's a possibility that she was a janitor and not a psychologist ;) Or another patient *shrug* Personally, if she's a psychologist, she's a piss-poor one (to paraphrase Locke). She didn't seem to notice anything amiss in Ana Lucías behaviour, and her one attempt to speak to Eko on the beach was rather idiotic, IMO.

Khan
01-26-06, 04:38 PM
I don't trust Libby at all,she's known Hurley all of three minutes and she pulling the old "turn your back while I try on a this sexy top" routine?
Every female knows what that does to most men.His got to have his mind on what's nude four inches away. Clearly she's after Hurley,I think she knows about the lottery.

mikamouth
01-26-06, 06:21 PM
After last night's epi, I too, believe Libby may have spent time in Hurley's institution as a patient. The pathological liar thing may be an aspect of the clinical definition of an antisocial personality. Antisocials (far from being shy) have no feelings of guilt about what they do or say.

However, if I were Hurley, I'd tap that a$$ quick. He may not get many more chances. Plus, Libby has a nice rack. ;)

SpruceMoose
01-26-06, 09:00 PM
Libby is absolutely in love with Hugo. Who can resist to a sex-machine like the hispanic lotto-winner?
:Headbang:

WhereIsDesmond
01-26-06, 09:02 PM
Hurley seems to recognize her from somewhere. And Libby's little remark about Hurley stepping on her foot just screams LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. Now before anyone starts saying, "Well, even if she's lying, she had to be on the flight because she said Hurley was the last one on, and that he was all sweaty and wearing headphones.", imagine this scenario.

Libby talking to redshirt:

Libby: Hey, you know that big guy, what's his name?
Redshirt: Oh, you mean Hurley. Nice guy, built a golf course.
Libby: Hurley, that's right. He seems so familiar.
Redshirt: Yeah, remember, he was the last one on the plane? We're all ready to go, the pilot's already made his little welcome speech, and suddenly this guy comes on, with his oversize headphones, sweating all over the place. Funny, though, if he'd arrived five minutes later, he'd have missed the flight and not gotten stuck here on Craphole Island with us.
Libby: Hmmm, that is interesting...

I think, now more than ever, that there is definitely something about Libby.
Is she an "Other", like Goodwin? Was she a part of the Dharma Initiative? Is she really Karen DeGroot? Will Hurley eventually recognize her? What say you?

Yea, I agree here. Do we actually belief a looker like Libby would actually be interested in Hurley???

I think this will be the big moment of Season 2 for some reason. I think she recognizes him, but I think here motives are more sinister. If/when we see her back story, we will see her talking with Cindy (the flight attendent who went missing) on the beach and that will be what Cindy is saying to Libby. Maybe that's why Cindy is missing...Libby and Cindy were bringing up the rear when Cindy went missing, right? Maybe Libby is an "Other". I think Hurley needs another look at the manifest.

sawyerhasbestlines
01-26-06, 09:11 PM
:wave2: Hi, shbl!!! :flowers:

Is is a possibility, just as it's a possibility that she was a janitor and not a psychologist ;) Or another patient *shrug* Personally, if she's a psychologist, she's a piss-poor one (to paraphrase Locke). She didn't seem to notice anything amiss in Ana Lucías behaviour, and her one attempt to speak to Eko on the beach was rather idiotic, IMO.

Hi Azteclady!
:Hugglepounce:

I like the idea of her being a janitor at the hospital...maybe an administrator? Because she is a "piss-poor" shrink. Just because she said she was a psychologist it doesn't mean she is one. George Costanza says he's an architect all the time.


Libby lost pychologist credibility with me, when she told Ana that Nathan "creeped her out". I hold her (teeny tiny partially) responsible for his death - affirming AL. A true shrink would know better than make "power of suggestions" like that.

Hodgepodge
01-26-06, 10:59 PM
Well, my immediate thought was she was a doctor at Santa Rosa Hospital for the slightly insane. But now, you guys got me thinking. :confused:


Her remark about him stepping on her foot seemed like a bid to change the subject fast. How would he have stepped on her foot? She was supposedly seated in the back and he was in the midsection- by the time he got on, everyone was already secured in their seats. I am all for the theory that she was in the hospital with him- he seemed to recognise her after she said something, like a phrase triggered his memory.This is definitely how I remember the boarding. How did he step on her foot if she was in the back of the plane? Hurley had to buy two seats, 20G & 20H, which as you mention, is in the midsection. Plus, he was likely the last passenger to board.


I'm guessing she's a pathological liar who was actually in the psych ward with Hurley as a patient. I DO think she was on the plane and is stranded like the rest of them, but I think she's has the potential to cause havoc in future episodes if she is a blatant liar. She may have seen Hurley get on the plane, but I doubt he stepped on her foot.
After last night's epi, I too, believe Libby may have spent time in Hurley's institution as a patient. The pathological liar thing may be an aspect of the clinical definition of an antisocial personality. Antisocials (far from being shy) have no feelings of guilt about what they do or say.This is a little scary! I don't want anybody to take advantage of the big lug! I'm not a big fan of Hurley's, but I don't want his emotions toyed with.

I think when it becomes knowledge throughout the campsites that she's a psychologist, Jack will probably start quizzing her on terminology and such. Maybe then, we'll have a better understanding of her motives.

Warthawg1
01-27-06, 03:03 PM
Piss poor psychologist?

Hmmmmm... well I wont really disagree, but I will note that I know a few psychologists in real life that are about as insightful and accurate as a blind cat trying to pee in an icehole. Therefore I don't think the fact that her failure to pick up on a few things or any dubious advice she may give is concrete proof that she doesn't have a degree in psychology.

juanbong
01-27-06, 03:11 PM
Quoted by Khan:
Every female knows what that does to most men.His got to have his mind on what's nude four inches away.

You had me at Hello. The oldest trick in the book. Whatever the reason she has to sidetrack Hurley, it worked. It would work for me if Libby is changing right behind me. I am just sad that Hurley didn't try to take a peak or look for some sort of mirrored surface to see her goodies.

Warthawg1
01-27-06, 05:36 PM
Heck, it worked against me and I was just watching it on TV.

azteclady
01-27-06, 11:44 PM
Yea, I agree here. Do we actually belief a looker like Libby would actually be interested in Hurley???Wow.I think this will be the big moment of Season 2 for some reason. I think she recognizes him, but I think here motives are more sinister. If/when we see her back story, we will see her talking with Cindy (the flight attendent who went missing) on the beach and that will be what Cindy is saying to Libby. Maybe that's why Cindy is missing...Libby and Cindy were bringing up the rear when Cindy went missing, right? Maybe Libby is an "Other". I think Hurley needs another look at the manifest.I agree that right now I find Libby's motives suspect, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this forum. The whole "you stepped on my foot" thing is weird, since Libby was supposedly seated at the back of the plane, and Hurley was in the center portion.

Then again, Bernard's seat was in row 23, but he ended up at the back during the actual crash, so there could be an innocent explanation for that.

igator210
01-31-06, 03:51 PM
Wow.I agree that right now I find Libby's motives suspect, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this forum. The whole "you stepped on my foot" thing is weird, since Libby was supposedly seated at the back of the plane, and Hurley was in the center portion.

Then again, Bernard's seat was in row 23, but he ended up at the back during the actual crash, so there could be an innocent explanation for that.


Take it another step...

Charlie was seated in the middle, rushed to first class, ended up in business class.

Cindy was serving Jack in the center section, chased Charlie to first class and ended up in the tail section.

Bernard was seated in the center section and went to the bathroom in the tail section.

Libby was stepped on as Hurley passed her in the center section. Why can't we assume she ended up in the tail section for some reason?

Hodgepodge
01-31-06, 04:46 PM
Take it another step...Libby was stepped on as Hurley passed her in the center section. Why can't we assume she ended up in the tail section for some reason?I see your point Igator. I was assuming she started out in the tail-section. And you're right. That doesn't have to be a fact. I didn't want to think she was a mole anyway. She's got a nice rack! :tired:

azteclady
01-31-06, 07:11 PM
igator210, Hodgepodge, that was pretty much the point I was trying to make. Just because she was sitting in a row in front of Hurley (since he had to pas her seat to sit, in order for her 'you stepped on my foot' story to be true), doesn't mean she had to stay there the entire flight. As you pointed out, plenty other people we know moved around to different seats during the flight.

hydeiwunakiss
03-15-06, 01:50 AM
i read this today...

Episode 2.??: Title Unknown (Libby-Centric)
Airdate: Spring 2006 (Note that some source say the Libby episode may happen next season instead. Some say she'll be part of Hurley's flashbacks.)

* 01/25 - Q. Is it possible that Lost's Libby is not a doctor, but a ********** ****? Ausiello: That's what I'm hearing, yes. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide [Note: We do not know for sure what was *** out, but most LOST fans believe it's "compulsive liar" some think it's "television star." On February 1, Ausiello gave a hint: *******i** ****.]

Warthawg1
03-15-06, 05:20 PM
I heard that ******* and ***** were going to ******** and then ****.

Jack will then finally admit that he is actually ********, and then the ultimate kicker will be that he and ***** were once ******!!!!!

Now tell me that wont make for one heckuva episode!!

NanaJoan
03-24-06, 08:37 PM
Why can't ***********be filled in with psychologist? Remember, we did actually see Libby and others crawl out of the ocean. Be pretty hard to do that and be an other. Libby likes people, plan and simple, so why not Hurley? the most friendly and well liked "dude" on the island? She helped Claire remember too. I don't think the ordinary person without training could do that. I, for one, think Hurley deserves a cute friend.

Son of Locke
03-24-06, 09:20 PM
See http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=462193 where began some speculation that Libby might be connected another way. Stretched, but possible.

NanaJoan
03-28-06, 08:55 PM
In the thread "what's the verdict?" page 3 (I don't know, yet, how to link to this) speculation started about the same thing.

Hodgepodge
03-29-06, 12:50 AM
NanaJoan, let me welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Make sure to read the Welcome forum, it's easy to get lost. Now to your post.


In the thread "what's the verdict?" page 3 (I don't know, yet, how to link to this) speculation started about the same thing.Yeah, we can get carried away sometime. We start discussing things, and find out we've discussed them before in another thread. That's why it's always a good idea to look through a complete forum, using the search button to see if somethings been covered before.

And again, :welcome:

cautiousguyonlost
04-03-06, 02:59 AM
When are they going to have a libby backstory.

Hodgepodge
04-03-06, 05:31 PM
When are they going to have a libby backstory.That's a good question! I'm hoping before the end of S2.

Warthawg1
04-04-06, 02:06 PM
Not soon enough

Hodgepodge
04-04-06, 05:03 PM
Not soon enoughYeah I heard you were trying to bribe TPTB! How much you up to now? ;)

Warthawg1
04-04-06, 08:28 PM
The bribe involves a late night LOST special, and involves nudity when Kate, Claire, Sun, and Libby decide to shower together to save hatch water.

merry slug
04-06-06, 10:49 AM
I have to say, Libby looked her best tonight. Maybe it's because she was actually wearing something that showed her figure.

Or maybe she was just finally wearing a bra.

juanbong
04-06-06, 01:02 PM
Quoted by merry
I have to say, Libby looked her best tonight. Maybe it's because she was actually wearing something that showed her figure.


I agree. But the lipstick she had on, I thought that the ladies didn't really care since they were on an island!!

Or maybe she was just finally wearing a bra.

And then you had to go there....just kidding ;) !

In all seriousness, now we know that Libby is a compulsive liar and had been in the psych ward as well. I still wouldn't have a problem being with her and getting my :makeout: on!

merry slug
04-06-06, 01:08 PM
I agree. But the lipstick she had on, I thought that the ladies didn't really care since they were on an island!!



Well to be fair, I think things have settled down enough on the island that it's reasonalbe to believe ladies will be thinking of their appearance (and the possible consequences of looking attractive to the opposite sex... ;))

juanbong
04-06-06, 02:25 PM
Quoted by merry:
Well to be fair, I think things have settled down enough on the island that it's reasonalbe to believe ladies will be thinking of their appearance (and the possible consequences of looking attractive to the opposite sex...

I suppose you are right on that point. Although, the pickings would be slim...

Warthawg1
04-06-06, 02:31 PM
Oh no you don't!! Juan and I wont stand for any late comers to the Libby party.

We saw through the grubby facade and claimed this gal long ago. Man..last night was great!

merry slug
04-06-06, 02:35 PM
I suppose you are right on that point. Although, the pickings would be slim...


You are kidding, right? I don't think there's a guy in our losties group (with the possible exception of Rash-boy) that I'd turn away without a second thought. Or were you referring to the ladies?

merry slug
04-06-06, 02:38 PM
Oh no you don't!! Juan and I wont stand for any late comers to the Libby party.

We saw through the grubby facade and claimed this gal long ago. Man..last night was great!


Hmm, if you're responding to me, then you've got nothing to worry about :D. I was just feeling a little guilty that I'd put ole droopy-boobs down earlier and wanted to point out that I could finally see the possible attraction after last night.

Warthawg1
04-06-06, 02:48 PM
Nah.. I wasn't really talking to you gal buddy...

I just posted that as a warning to any other males who now want to jump on the Libby bandwagon. This wagon only has seating for three... Me, Juan, and Libby.... and I'm looking for a way to trick Juan into stepping off, lolol

juanbong
04-06-06, 03:12 PM
Quoted by merry:
You are kidding, right? I don't think there's a guy in our losties group (with the possible exception of Rash-boy) that I'd turn away without a second thought. Or were you referring to the ladies?

Yes, and yes....but ya got to give Rash-boy a chance too.

Quoted by Warty:
We saw through the grubby facade and claimed this gal long ago. Man..last night was great!

Waaay long ago!

Quoted by Warty:
Me, Juan, and Libby.... and I'm looking for a way to trick Juan into stepping off, lolol


I got my eyes open wide on that....

Hodgepodge
04-06-06, 05:14 PM
I have to say, Libby looked her best tonight. Maybe it's because she was actually wearing something that showed her figure.

Or maybe she was just finally wearing a bra.I just think we finally got to see more than a few seconds of her. She's a very attractive woman!

OK, Merry Slug, you've got to explain that last comment? I've always said she's very nicely endowed. Are you saying I've been wrong in my assumption? :confused:

I'm just sorry for my buddy! Warty is going to be so depressed. Here he thought she was a psychologist, and in actuality, she needs a psychologist. Homer is going to eat this up! Don't worry Warty, I've got your back! :Cowdance:

merry slug
04-06-06, 05:16 PM
OK, Merry Slug, you've got to explain that last comment? I've always said she's very nicely endowed. Are you saying I've been wrong in my assumption? :confused:


I'll give you hint: my nickname for her is droopy-boobs ;)

ETA: It just occurred to me that my nickname for Eko is Pointy-boobs. I think I've been hanging around ILLB and Lostaways to long :rotfl:

Hodgepodge
04-06-06, 05:53 PM
I'll give you hint: my nickname for her is droopy-boobs ;)

ETA: It just occurred to me that my nickname for Eko is Pointy-boobs. I think I've been hanging around ILLB and Lostaways to long :rotfl:You may have a point there! I've been looking at the pics in her pic thread, and I was in awe. I was so in awe, Warty was getting ready to send a hitman to my house.

And, maybe you've got a boob fetish! I'm one of the few men that doesn't make a big deal about them. I can take them or leave them. Something my father used to say! If its more than a mouthful, its a waste! Hopefully, I didn't got to far with that last comment! :confused:

sawyerhasbestlines
04-09-06, 06:02 PM
I'll give you hint: my nickname for her is droopy-boobs ;)


I thought they were a bit floppy, but hey... if you've got em, flop em. Rather see real floppers than rubber inflatables.

Warthawg1
04-10-06, 05:57 PM
I can take them or leave them.

I can take them or leave them as well....but if someone has them; I am more than willing to enjoy

Son of Locke
04-10-06, 06:05 PM
And, maybe you've got a boob fetish! I'm one of the few men that doesn't make a big deal about them. I can take them or leave them. Something my father used to say! If its more than a mouthful, its a waste! Hopefully, I didn't got to far with that last comment! :confused:I'd be impressed if his adage predated Weird Science, in which we are taught definitively that "anything more than a handful and you're riskin' a sprain."

camelsmoker
04-11-06, 11:31 AM
I started this thread with purely platonic intentions (yeah, right...), but I see now that more than one Libby-do has been awakened.

Beware the power of the ID!

merry slug
04-16-06, 11:05 PM
Good grief - the other day I got upset with someone for posting a less-than-complimentary comment about Jack in Jack's admiration thread. I literally just now remembered that I've been in here calling Libby something less-than-complimentary. What a hypocrite!!!!

If you noticed - sorry, my apologies. If you didn't - then nevermind :D

Night Ranger
04-16-06, 11:44 PM
That's a good question! I'm hoping before the end of S2.

I think TPTB have implied that the Dave episode includes the Libby backstore and that may be all we get.

Hodgepodge
04-17-06, 06:32 PM
I think TPTB have implied that the Dave episode includes the Libby backstore and that may be all we get.Thanks for the heads up Night Ranger. I wouldn't be surprised. We are heading toward the end of S2. :(

azteclady
04-17-06, 07:07 PM
I wouldn't take it as a bad sign, even if it were true - leaving such an important thread hanging over the summer could mean that we would get a Libby episode earlier next season.

So I'm an optimist, have a problem with that?

Mikefuzz
04-21-06, 02:17 PM
Nah.. I wasn't really talking to you gal buddy...

I just posted that as a warning to any other males who now want to jump on the Libby bandwagon. This wagon only has seating for three... Me, Juan, and Libby.... and I'm looking for a way to trick Juan into stepping off, lolol

It's okay, although she is an attractive woman i don't think i could bring myself to be so infatuated and obsessed with her as you are Wart, I tend to go for the women who arent married with children, no matter how nice their milkers are! :)