The Rose Thread

[korndiddy]

When rewatching the first episode of Lost today, I noticed some background chatter that struck me as odd. One was a quirky Hurley noting that theoretically, they may not even be on an island, and then his voice trails off. But before that as Jack stares off into the ocean, Rose is talking about "the monster" to a group behind him.

"That sound that it made...I keep thinking that there was something very familiar about it."

Is it possible that a Rose flashback in future episodes will reveal a past link to good 'ol Smokey? :scratchch :crossfing

[korndiddy]

Though its also been said that we probably won't get a Rose flashback until season 3.

[SeanDude05]

Which is sad, because Rose has gotten the no-flashback shaft ever since the show began.

[LandPirate]

Rose is just a fringe character. Most casual viewers probably don't even know her name. I doubt she will ever get a flashback.

[korndiddy]

I doubt she will ever get a flashback.

It has been stated in the official podcast which you so willingly quote that she will have one at this season's end / early next season.

[happywhaleproductions]

I think she deserves a flashback, even if she is a 'fringe' character - which in itself seems a slight understatement considering the importance that was placed on her once again finding Bernard.

And, an interesting observation :) Well done for finding something new!

[Granny Weatherwax]

I agree that the development of Roses character so far has been pretty limited. Nevertheless, the little titbits we have been fed ensues that she strikes most people as interesting & perhaps important and we ‘want’ to see her flashback. I for one I’m looking forward to it, even more if she is 'familar' with the sound of the monster!
Slán x

[matty]

Everytime that I see Rose, I think of the 'Oracle' from the Matrix.

I really hope that Rose's character gets a flashback, she is too good to just be regarded as a fringe character.

[LandPirate]

It has been stated in the official podcast which you so willingly quote that she will have one at this season's end / early next season.

My quote is from the 1/8/06 zap2it.com article by Kate O'Hare, here is the link:
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C99441%7C1%7C,00.html

Rose's name does not appear in said article. I think you imagined the podcast reference you site. Prove me wrong.

[Granny Weatherwax]

Everytime that I see Rose, I think of the 'Oracle' from the Matrix.

Teehee!! I always think that too! If she starts handing out freshly hatch-baked cookies I'll really begin to wonder!

[athywithak]

anyone who wants to check out discussion of the comment Rose made with reference to what the monster sounds like should check these threads:

discussions focused on Rose’s comment about the sounds:

General Discussion - Monster and the Bronx (January 2006)
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12477 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12477)
wisely merged as post #61+ into sounds the monster makes thread, here:
T&S: the sounds the monster makes (began September 2005 - still active in 2006)
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7490 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7490)

What I think is going on: Rose and the "Monster/Security System" (Nov 2005)
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10321 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10321)

GD Archives: Possible big hint about Security System from Ep 1 (June 2005)
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3575 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3575)

- which is not to say that this discussion, about a possible Rose flashback and how some of us would LOVE to see one, isn't a worthy and fun discussion as well.

Put me down as "would love to see a Rose flahsback"!! She doesn't seem to fit well with the theme of conflicted characters in need of redemption.

I hope a flashback would explain why she was "meant to be" on the island, but I fear a flashback would totally distort what we already know of her personality to force fit her into some show themes...

K

[Hodgepodge]

Thanks for those links K! I knew the subject had been broached before, I didn't realize so often.

Put me down as someone who'd love to see a Rose-centric episode. TPTB have stated in several interviews here at Lost-TV, they plan on bringing a couple of Redshirts to a level below the majors. I think Rose would definitely be a good choice. And I'm sure we've all noticed, she's had a lot of dialog during S2.

[azteclady]

I too want Rose to keep coming to the fore, but I'm with athywithak that I would hate to see TPTB twist or completely contradict what we know of both Rose and Bernard now simply to make them fit into the pattern followed so far with some of the most prominent characters from the main cast, namely Kate and Sawyer.

[korndiddy]

Am I the only one with an urge to discover that Rose has an extremely dark past, one that is covered by her beyond sweet personality?

But on a more relevant side, I think that a possible plot idea for her flashback would be dealing with her parents when she tried to marry a white guy. Or maybe Bernard's family is rascist. Either way, that episode would most likely be about overcoming obstacles, the end of which would feature slow motion and that beautiful piano ballad as the 2 cuddle together by the fire. LOST.
:awwhug: ____ :makeout: _____:kiss:___________ :music::love2: :cupid:

^Jin + Sun ^ Kate and ? ^ Rose + Bernard ^ Hurley + Libby

:Hugglepounce:______:baby:__________:sadwalk:

^ Charlie + Claire...and Aaron ^ Whoever Kate rejects

It could also double as the Valentine's Day special in which Kate finally choses between Jack and Sawyer...or Hurley. The Island is a love shack waiting to burst! But I digress.

[LoStMyMiNd]

[QUOTE=korndiddy]When rewatching the first episode of Lost today, I noticed some background chatter that struck me as odd. One was a quirky Hurley noting that theoretically, they may not even be on an island, and then his voice trails off. But before that as Jack stares off into the ocean, Rose is talking about "the monster" to a group behind him.


***I would love to see a Rose flashback and hope it would be interesting, but she may be too bland for a whole hour. And yes, their has been lots a speculation about how the monster sounded to Rose. Check out the links, I'm sure you'll find it interesting

[Hodgepodge]

...But on a more relevant side, I think that a possible plot idea for her flashback would be dealing with her parents when she tried to marry a white guy. Or maybe Bernard's family is rascist. Either way, that episode would most likely be about overcoming obstacles, the end of which would feature slow motion and that beautiful piano ballad as the 2 cuddle together by the fire. LOST....

...It could also double as the Valentine's Day special in which Kate finally choses between Jack and Sawyer...or Hurley. The Island is a love shack waiting to burst! But I digress.Korndiddy, I'm wondering whether TPTB would touch on this subject. But it would definitely be away to go.

And I see, you're nothing more than a romantic at heart. :Hugglepounce: You want the survivors to pair off. Isn't that cute!

[korndiddy]

You want the survivors to pair off. Isn't that cute!

What else are they gonna do on that damn island???

[azteclady]

Well, conceivably they may want to understand what the hell is going on there so they can find a way out.

[ILikeLostBrunettes]

Well, conceivably they may want to understand what the hell is going on there so they can find a way out.


Now you know better. They never talk about anything with each other. ;)

[twinkletoesx]

HI everyone who likes Rose. OK I JUST noticed this week during Episode 1, that Rose was wearing a wedding ring on a golden necklace the same time the plane went down. Why? Is it her ring? or Bernard's? The excuse might be that women wear their rings on necklaces because your fingers swell during flight or for safekeeping when they travel. but my favorite is that Bernard was already dead LONG BEFORE she was on the plane, and she carried his ring with him everywhere. AND she might have suspected that in another place or another life (the island) she would see him agaon raised from the dead. Not just heaven but but more like in another Quantum Reality Life. Just throwing this out to the professsionals as I cannot stop thinking about it.:)

[korndiddy]

She says that Bernard's fingers swell on planes so she holds the ring for him. And Bernard is definately still alive, because he is with the tail section and then reunites with Rose. Are you not up to date? Because that would definately skew your view.

[Hodgepodge]

Twinkletoesx, your thoughts might be better understood in our Fan Fiction (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=35)forum. You might like to add to your thoughts and post them there. :)

[twinkletoesx]

Twinkletoesx, your thoughts might be better understood in our Fan Fiction (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=35)forum. You might like to add to your thoughts and post them there. :) Thanks for the pointer, I am always planning more alternate reality theories, so I think the Fan Fiction Forum is great after checking!
Here's to Rose and Bernard being together again: :makeout:

[Brian]

Here's to Rose and Bernard being together again: :makeout:
Fan Fic aside, I can certainly :Cheers: to that one! If there's a "feel good story" this season on LOST, it has got to be Rose and Bernard. I really enjoy that entire story line and both actors have done a wonderful job.

[PandoraX]

Rose is just a fringe character. Most casual viewers probably don't even know her name. I doubt she will ever get a flashback.

All I have to say is that I SOOOOOOOOOO disagree with this (did I mention I disagree???) :) They are all "fringe" characters until they are filled in with backstories and flashbacks (otherwise they would be those nondescript unnamed people walking around in the background--there is a reason these two are named, and they interact closely with the other lostaways). Almost all the characters would superficially seem nice and benign if you met them on the street (with the possible exception of Sawyer), but are not what they seem and hiding many dark secrets.

Rose & Bernard are SUCH interesting characters, to me. Rose in particular. I also noticed that very strange memory of hers after the night of the monster... "those sounds were so familiar"... before cutting off to saying she was from the Bronx. In addition to what she says about the sounds:

1) She was technically dead when Jack found her... cardiac arrest. He resuscitated her with CPR (not common in real life, as a physician I can say that CPR alone without defib does the job in less than 5% of cases, this is more of a "buying time" tactic; but this is TV, so I'll give it some leeway). But is there more to it?

2) She is SURE Bernard is still alive, and spends many days alone on the beach. At first, I thought that this was the calm demeanor of a devoutly religious woman still in denial and dealing with bereavement her own way. I think there's more to this now, and it creeps me out. She really has no doubt.

3) She is holding onto Bernard's ring. She says this is because his hands swell when he flies. This is a real phenomenon, but is this the real reason? Someone else mentioned that when this happens to him, he changes rings to a different finger, like a pinky. She wears it around her neck. This other person made an interesting suggestion... you might wear it around your neck if your spouse was in jail (since they would otherwise make the convict give away his personal belongings to be cateloged).

4) I heard a rumor from someone else that a freeze frame of the drug smuggler's package from Ekko's plane was addressed to the Bronx??? No confirmation yet on whether this is true.

5) There is something probably to the fact that they are an interacial couple, probably something we will learn about racism in their past, I'm predicting. It was certainly surprising to me when we met Bernard. Someone suggested also that this may carry on the black/white and duality theme of the show.

6) Last one contains a possible spoiler:
In the DVD (which I don't have, but heard a reliable source describe), supposedly there is a deleted scene which shows Claire talking to the airplane pilot (who dies later) as they wait in the airport. He confides in her that his parents broke up due to an affair (a strange thing to tell someone you just met??), and that his mother cheated on his father with a man named Bernard. Could this be our Bernard? And if so, what else has he done? Was the scene deleted because it gave away too much too soon?

I've no doubt that we're going to hear more about Rose & Bernard's backstory. The fact that the writers have told us so little about them makes me think it is something big and may be imortant to our story.

[azteclady]

The deleted scene is between Claire and the Oceanic 815 pilot, not Shannon. And yes, the speculation that the Bernard in the pilot's story and Rose's Bernanrd are one and the same has been brought up before. Cheers!

[PandoraX]

The deleted scene is between Claire and the Oceanic 815 pilot, not Shannon. And yes, the speculation that the Bernard in the pilot's story and Rose's Bernanrd are one and the same has been brought up before. Cheers!

Thanks azteclady! I'm going to make that correction now.

[georgie07]

I love Rose and I'm all for a background story but I don't know...I'm really thinking this may ruin how we and also the losties see her (this was said before.) I guess you could say I'm undecided. Right now Bernard and Rose are strong characters without the background story (I mean how many people say they love them??) I don't really want them to have an edge! I want them to be the only ones without a dark past!

[PandoraX]

I love Rose and I'm all for a background story but I don't know...I'm really thinking this may ruin how we and also the losties see her (this was said before.) I guess you could say I'm undecided. Right now Bernard and Rose are strong characters without the background story (I mean how many people say they love them??) I don't really want them to have an edge! I want them to be the only ones without a dark past!

I would find that idea to be wholeheartedly uninteresting... no offense. The major theme in the series has been characters that are internally conflicted by a mix of good and bad moral decisions, and how those come into play interconnecting socially with others around them. I really hope that both have a shady past, which will lend a great deal of twists to the plot. If they were 2 dimensional, this would be The O.C.: Island Edition.

[twinkletoesx]

Perhaps they can have a background but (for once) we see a saint, it is about her saintly behaviour, saving people's lives and stuff like that!

[azteclady]

With all due respect, I'm leaning more towards PandoraX's view. Pollyanna is just not that interesting, really.

[korndiddy]

Well, maybe we don't need a neccesarily dark past, but atleast something mysterious and ominous which can then manifest itself into island life. Hurley doesn't have a dark past per se, but the whole numbers thing is crazy. I would LOVE to see a connection to the monster and I think that her character deserves a plot line as interesting as that. :crossfing

[PandoraX]

Perhaps they can have a background but (for once) we see a saint, it is about her saintly behaviour, saving people's lives and stuff like that!

Keep in mind, that Jack also saves lives, but made a mistake and kissed the Italian woman, and did things he probably regrets regarding his father. In real life, there are heros who do great things and save lives but also do "bad things" in different contexts. It doesn't condemn them to being "horrible human beings" or completely negate good traits of altruism and compassion; I think that's the point--that we are all more complex than the sum of our parts.

It's been a pretty recurrent theme on the show that people are not what they seem superficially... and I've found this to be true in real life, that's what makes it so interesting. Otherwise we'd just be cookie cut-outs of characters from bad Hollywood blockbusters.

From the podcast, the writers/producers have also indicated that they are interested in delving into characters with dark pasts, also, and don't want to make this a stereotyped type soap opera with "good guys" vs. "bad guys".

[Warthawg1]

Am I the only one with an urge to discover that Rose has an extremely dark past, one that is covered by her beyond sweet personality?

The truth is that Rose was once a B-level porn star, who went by the name of Rosa Perks. Be careful what you wish for because you may get it.

[ILikeLostBrunettes]

:yeah: Genius.

[Warthawg1]

Her first movie was called "The back of the bus". As for the plot...I'll leave it up to your imagination.

[PandoraX]

The truth is that Rose was once a B-level porn star, who went by the name of Rosa Perks. Be careful what you wish for because you may get it.

LOL. Can we say "spoiler tag abuse"? Poor Rose....

[Warthawg1]

I actually watched it... I think a "poor Warty" is in order here! I have been forever scarred.

[azteclady]

Poor *snicker* Warty *snicker*

[ILikeLostBrunettes]

Methinks he was reaching for Libby's *earlier* work and picked the wrong video by mistake.

[drabauer]

The great one returns :clap:.



That is all.

[Brian]

I actually watched it... I think a "poor Warty" is in order here! I have been forever scarred.
I'd throw a "Poor Warty" your direction, but you said you watched it........never did you mention turning it off. Must not have been all that bad. ;)

ETA - Yeah, what Amy said! :)

[Warthawg1]

never did you mention turning it off.

I was doing scientific research so I suffered through it.

[Brian]

I was doing scientific research so I suffered through it.
:rotfl: I knew there had to be a good explanation......poor Warty! :)

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

you might wear it around your neck if your spouse was in jail (since they would otherwise make the convict give away his personal belongings to be cateloged).
The jails I am familiar with dont make the cons turn in their wedding bands unless they have stones in them. This one looked like a plain gold band to me.

I would only accept a Rose FB episode if they connected her to the pilot, the drugs, and the monster. If they do it just to do it, it will be a waste of a week to me, and I'm 100% NOT interested in her or Bernard enough to sit through a polly-Ana parade of Rose's good qualities. I also wont be happy if they drop hints that Rose might be connected to the above mentioned, but never follow through with this story line. (think Jack/Shannon)

[korndiddy]

I would only accept a Rose FB episode if they connected her to the pilot, the drugs, and the monster. If they do it just to do it, it will be a waste of a week to me, and I'm 100% NOT interested in her or Bernard enough to sit through a polly-Ana parade of Rose's good qualities. I also wont be happy if they drop hints that Rose might be connected to the above mentioned, but never follow through with this story line. (think Jack/Shannon)

If they were to do such a thing, I think that it would almost be necesary for them to make such a connection as a reason to bring the two out into the spotlight and bless them with their own flashback episode. Otherwise, many would find it unjustified and pointless. The writers would need to make a new plot-line spawn out of their past.

[korndiddy]

Spoiler for those who don't watch previews:

The preview for the next episode showed a decent amount of Rose and Bernard, especially for a preview. I can't promise much, but at least we know that they'll be present in this episode.

[LoStMyMiNd]

Spoiler for those who don't watch previews:

The preview for next week's episode showed a decent amount of Rose and Bernard, especially for a preview. I can't promise much, but at least we know that they'll be present in this episode.


I thought the next two episodes were reruns

[Brian]

I thought the next two episodes were reruns
They are LoStMyMiNd, I think korndiddy was referring to the next new episode.

ETA - thanks for using the spoiler/hider, korndiddy, and let's hope so! :)

[korndiddy]

I thought the next two episodes were reruns

Sorry, i meant to write next episode and unthinkingly wrote week. Sorry. :sorry:

But I did edit and fix it. :D

[korndiddy]

Because of what this thread has evolved into, I am renaming it as the Get Rose a Flashback Thread. This is mainly so that people can more acurately know what they're getting when they click into this.

[Magical Trevor]

I'm all for a Rose flashback, we haven't seen any comedy hairpieces for a while, and I predict we will see Rose and Bernard sporting afros.

[Hodgepodge]

I'm all for a Rose flashback, we haven't seen any comedy hairpieces for a while, and I predict we will see Rose and Bernard sporting afros.And wearing dashiki's! :Hippy:

[korndiddy]

And wearing dashiki's! :Hippy:

To my shame, I had no idea what a dashiki is. A little research quickly enlightened me and now I'm laughing. For anyone else out there who is as clueless as me when it comes to dashikis, here is a picture:



http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/korndiddy/bluedash.jpg

[Hodgepodge]

To my shame, I had no idea what a dashiki is. A little research quickly enlightened me and now I'm laughing. For anyone else out there who is as clueless as me when it comes to dashikis, here is a pictureOh Korndiddy, they were the rage in the '60s. Not that I would know, but I've seen pics. :Hippy:

[korndiddy]

Hodgepodge, I just finished watching my Tivoed episode of Black. White. They went shopping for Dashikis!

[Hodgepodge]

Hodgepodge, I just finished watching my Tivoed episode of Black. White. They went shopping for Dashikis!:rotfl: :rotfl: That's funny! How is that series BTW?

[Magical Trevor]

Oh Korndiddy, they were the rage in the '60s. Not that I would know, but I've seen pics. :Hippy:

I bet you're wearing one now.

[korndiddy]

How is that series BTW?

It is pretty interesting. My psych teacher actually showed us a clip from it in school. He's the man. The show is pretty awesome overall. Definately worth Tivoing.
/End of irrelevant post to this thread/

Maybe Rose and Bernard were apart of an experiment like that before the crash! And the plot thickens: one of them is still in makeup...but which one is it? :ghost2:

[Hodgepodge]

I bet you're wearing one now.When I was a kid, my mother made me help her clean out some closets. May've been a clothing drive or something. Anyway, found a pair of knee-high mocassins. 'Holy cow, can't believe you wore these mom!' 'They were your father's!' Throughout his life, I don't think I ever saw him without a tie. Amazing the things you remember! :)

[igator210]

The TV Guide for next week talks about the probability of a Rose flashback

[azteclady]

igator, check out pinnerman's thread on unreliability of promotional information (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16371), including TV Guide. I'm still chuckling at the irony...

[korndiddy]

There are now mulitple threads in the spoiler section which are backing the numerous reports of a flashback episode for them during sweeps in which we discover that the two have a past that is more interesting than we may have thought. I am so pumped to find out more information as the date nears, not to mention an official confirmation of the episode.

This speculation is also backed up by their numerous scenes in last night's episode.

[azteclady]

korndiddy, I wish I could convey how deeply I appreciate your consideration (shown by using the spoiler hide thingie) to those like me, for whom anything not aired during an actual broadcasted episode or, after the fact, in the DVDs, is considered spoilerish.

[Hodgepodge]

Well, I just loved seeing them together. I'm curious, I wonder how long they'll be married? Will they have children, grandchildren! This is the kind of stuff I'd love to see in their flashback.

[SpidermanHouston]

Well, I just loved seeing them together. I'm curious, I wonder how long they'll be married? Will they have children, grandchildren! This is the kind of stuff I'd love to see in their flashback.

That sounds boring, hodge. :) I imagine they had problems dealing with an interracial relationship so I can see them showing us flashbacks of their struggles. Or maybe we can see that Bernard is an evil dentist.

[Hodgepodge]

That sounds boring, hodge. :) I imagine they had problems dealing with an interracial relationship so I can see them showing us flashbacks of their struggles. Or maybe we can see that Bernard is an evil dentist.Why does everybody have to be bad? I'll admit, seeing their struggles as an interracial couple would be interesting. But why can't Bernard and Rose just be nice people who got seats on a plane to HELL!

[SpidermanHouston]

Why does everybody have to be bad? I'll admit, seeing their struggles as an interracial couple would be interesting. But why can't Bernard and Rose just be nice people who got seats on a plane to HELL!

The evil dentist part was just a joke. I forgot to use joke font.

[Hodgepodge]

The evil dentist part was just a joke. I forgot to use joke font.I knew that! I just used your comment because it was closer. But, there are people who'd like for Bernard, and or, Rose to be part of the Dharma Initiative. I just want somebody to be good on the island. Somebody has to wear the white hat! :)

[azteclady]

I think that if Bernard and Rose turn out to have a connection with Dharma at all, it will be involuntary - as much victims as anyone else we've seen so far, if you will.

:wave2: Hi, Hodge!

[korndiddy]

It has been confirmed, and congratulations are due all around. Rose and Bernard are officially getting an episode, and it is gonna be this season! http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16260 is in the spoiler section discussing it, and you can go to Lost-Media.com to see promo pics of Rose next to a car, clearly not on the island. The title is S.O.S. and I won't say much more on what the synopsis is for those who don't want to be spoiled any more. I can tell you that as of now, the link don't lead to anything revealing, farther than the fact that they has an episode to themselves. Yay! :D

[korndiddy]

Same thread, new name....again.

[Rosebeaver]

This may sound a tad obvious but...

To all those who consider Rose and Bernard to NOT be 'fringe players' - isn't it just a wee bit odd that they don't appear on any cast photos or photo advertisements? Even Libby, whom we know just as little about, appears on the season 2 promos.

Surely this confirms their fringe status.

[Hodgepodge]

Rosebeaver, let me welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Make sure to read the Welcome forum, it's easy to get lost. Now to your post.


This may sound a tad obvious but...

To all those who consider Rose and Bernard to NOT be 'fringe players' - isn't it just a wee bit odd that they don't appear on any cast photos or photo advertisements? Even Libby, whom we know just as little about, appears on the season 2 promos.

Surely this confirms their fringe status.Oh, we're not disputing the fact she started out as a Redshirt. We just kind of fell in love with her. Her unflinching resolve that Bernard was alive on another part of the island, was touching. Her outreach program to Charlie after Claire was kidnapped, also instilled her with fans here at Lost-TV.

TPTB, stated sometime ago, they were going to raise some of the Redshirts to a step below the major cast. I think their first test is Rose. And I do expect and flashback in the near future.

And again, :welcome:

BTW: Thanks for not making your nic possessive! :)

[boonian androphile]

I liked Rose and Bernard in this episode. They were sweet. And their lives were complicated without being overwhelmed by pathos.

This is a good idea. Show the many overlooked characters in their lives before, why they traveled to Australia. This would alleviate the burden of having to show Jack and others hundreds of times only to discover what products they all use at home.

[juanbong]

:yeah:

...And not only a good down-to-earth episode, IMO, but also a big reveal....DUM DUM DUM....Rose knows about Locke's leg problem and him being in the wheelchair. Will she ever tell? *Deep voice over* "Like the sands in an hourglass....These are Days of Our Lives" Just kidding, but good fun (I crack myself up a lot!) Now does Locke know about Rose and her cancer? Another big question. And will those two eventually stay on the island many seasons later? Good stuff I tell ya!!

[merry slug]

I'm so glad they got a flashback episode! And I"m so glad Rose told Bernard to truth.

And, (semi-echoing boonian), I'm glad they ended back up together and happy -- no off-the-wall shocker for them like Bernard's a wanna-be Hannibal Lecter and Rose was kidnapped by Dharma as a child....

[Hodgepodge]

People, I love them! I just posted in Bernard's thread, I was glad we had the Kleenex handy. :cry: So, right BA. Just an uncomplicated backstory. No parental problems, just to people finding each other. It's magical! OK, I'm getting emotional again! :cry:

Juan, when Rose set next to Locke, I had know idea where it was going. Then she tells him, they both realize how special the island is. My jaw hit the floor. TPTB (Mrs. Hodgepodge), said she saw it coming. Yeah, you can say that after the fact. Very powerful scene! Where's that "Power Scene" thread anyway?

[Warthawg1]

This would alleviate the burden of having to show Jack and others hundreds of times only to discover what products they all use at home.

Maybe it would also alleviate the need to waste 5 solid minutes of screen time of Jack and Kate engaging in foreplay while supposedly caught in a trap.

Sorry... but I would have preferred even more Rose and Bernard stuff instead of an entire scene thrown out as nothing more than a bone for the hookup crowd.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
Juan, when Rose set next to Locke, I had know idea where it was going. Then she tells him, they both realize how special the island is. My jaw hit the floor. TPTB (Mrs. Hodgepodge), said she saw it coming. Yeah, you can say that after the fact. Very powerful scene! Where's that "Power Scene" thread anyway?


In a funny way, I think TPTB (the writers) are setting up for a big thing next season. We now have a couple people who don't want to leave the island as compared to many people wanting to leave the island. Now, on island time, we are only 2 months and a couple days into the crash. Interesting arc and a future them vs. us battle, so to speak. I have thought this from season 1 early on that what if some of the Losties don't want to leave? What would happen then? I do wonder if Locke knows about Rose's illness, and will they keep their secrets intact? We know Bernard knows about Rose's cancer, but only Rose knows about Locke's legs.

[Hodgepodge]

In a funny way, I think TPTB (the writers) are setting up for a big thing next season. We now have a couple people who don't want to leave the island as compared to many people wanting to leave the island. Now, on island time, we are only 2 months and a couple days into the crash. Interesting arc and a future them vs. us battle, so to speak. I have thought this from season 1 early on that what if some of the Losties don't want to leave? What would happen then? I do wonder if Locke knows about Rose's illness, and will they keep their secrets intact? We know Bernard knows about Rose's cancer, but only Rose knows about Locke's legs.Juan, I've always thought Locke would never want to leave the island. But now we have Rose and Bernard building a seaside retreat. And, unless Locke read Rose's medicine, I wouldn't think he knows about her illness. And, how does Rose keep that kind of secret for 60+ days? I would've told that one on day one. 'Hey, this guys was in a wheelchair!'

The questions that came to mind after S.O.S.! Do we now give the island the power to heal? Who else on the island has received some miracle healing? Does it have anything to do with the magnetism?

[Warthawg1]

I definitely think there are more, maybe even some redshirts who have reasons for not really wanting to leave.

I would hope that this show might result in a toning down of the "why aren't they doing more?" clamor, but I doubt it.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
The questions that came to mind after S.O.S.! Do we now give the island the power to heal? Who else on the island has received some miracle healing? Does it have anything to do with the magnetism?


And with that, what about Sun and her pregnancy?
On a lighter note, we do know that if a wound is serious enough or fatal, the *healing process* doesn't help. An island of miracles? :scratchch

[juanbong]

Quoted by Warty:
I definitely think there are more, maybe even some redshirts who have reasons for not really wanting to leave.

I would hope that this show might result in a toning down of the "why aren't they doing more?" clamor, but I doubt it.


I agree. There is just going to be redshirts that are, well, redshirts. Extras. Some will get introduced as bit roles or what have you, while others we will just see glimpses.
I know if I was on the island and owed a lot of money for bills, I might reconsider my living situation now that food is being found on the island. I could rock out a permanent tan, chill out with some 70's groovy vinyl tracks, and watch reel to reels for a long, long while.

[Hodgepodge]

And with that, what about Sun and her pregnancy?
On a lighter note, we do know that if a wound is serious enough or fatal, the *healing process* doesn't help. An island of miracles? :scratchchI'd forgotten about Sun and her "miracle". S.O.S. definitely adds to the possibility she was healed.

Also, I'd started leaning toward LIW's theory about Locke. His paralysis was in his mind. Now, with this episode, I've started heading back the other way. His mobility-challenged four years was brought on by some physical impairment.

[boonian androphile]

I agree with Wart's comment about even more Rose and Bernard---and---less Kate and Jack foreplay. Or even switching over to Michael running through the jungle and having us wonder will Jack shoot him by mistake! No anti-Michael comments here. The writers made him annoying. If a shot would be fired in a revised Michael appearance scene, then maybe the bullet would nearly hit one of the smug writers who all cant fathom as to why that boonian fellow gripes about them endlessly.

pre-edited to add: I know that TPTB dont give me a jot. But one day they might...:nanabobo:

[Hodgepodge]

I agree with Wart's comment about even more Rose and Bernard---and---less Kate and Jack foreplay...

pre-edited to add: I know that TPTB dont give me a jot. But one day they might...:nanabobo:You and Warty aren't alone in that thought. I'm definitely tired of their laugh-and-tickle routine. I was hoping Jack was a good shot. I'd hate to fly to Hawaii just to cut them down. Couldn't they have come up with a more Jate situation than that? I don't think so!

I assume you didn't read my post about a Rose/Bernard flashback? I even started a chant. Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose! I'm sure TPTB heard my cry. :)

[boonian androphile]

I remember the Rose chant.

More Rose and Bernard! :thumbs_up

Less jate :DeadHorse:

[twinkletoesx]

My thoughts during last night's Flashback of Rose & Bernard story:

I think when Bernard told her name, she acted as if she knew it already, she acted like "obviously your name is bernard", so I was having the feeling she was looking into her future already and deciding if she wanted to marry him or not, and was almost NOT interested at ALL. But at the same time, she decided she'd do it... lets say she can see into the future sometimes: she did not predict the proposal or the real reason they went to Australia, and she cannot predict more than a year because she was sure she had only a year to live. She is not aware of everything, its as if only on the island did she really become so "faithful" and "trusting"

Important line: At the Niagara Falls she said to Bernard "what does God have to do to amaze you?" or something like that when Bernard was not looking at the Niagara Falls. I thought that very interesting. It is not only asked to Bernard but I think to anyone? what will we consider spectacular enough on the show to say it is a Miracle? Asking what proves the existance of God, how big does the miracle or how beautiful does nature have to do, to impress us? Is this a hidden challenge to us as viewers to take a leap of faith like she does? we're so busy asking for flashbacks and maps, that we don't see the beauty and importance of the little miracles on the show and we for example forgot that Locke can walk again.... ok not to get on a soap box it's just a good question she asked and theologians debate it. So she's dying of cancer, but later on the island she's completely cured. OK so I get the point this place is where some people are healed...ONLY 2 OPTIONS LEFT: IT'S A MIRACLE or its a SCIENTIFIC BREAKTRHOUGH, or its a little bit of both, or perhaps as Rose may say, don't question it and don't bite the hands that feed you, she's quite willing to live happily ever after. Its a sweet story.

I suspect only much later she may have some ethical problems with the people who are feeding them and made it possible....

[boonian androphile]

I like your post, and agree most though with your last statement. I dont think that Rose, or anyone, has fit all the pieces of what is required of these characters in exchange for their pleasant stay.

Michael perhaps. He had obsessive purpose in leaving the island. Now he has obsessive purpose in retrieving the very high cost for even making it out to sea as far as he did. Now though I doubt that he would be able to communicate coherently that there is something wrong with this island.

[korndiddy]

It is unacceptable that I took this long to post my thoughts, not that anyone cares, but here I am at last. I was so giddy to get their episode. I think that overall it was very solid, though I do have my criticisms.

For one, they gave the impression that this would be the one and only episode that we'll need from the 2. The flashbacks spanned over a fair period of time and covered many basic questions. It was almost like a blanket episode for their characters. It showed them meeting, then Bernard proposing, then the illness developments. It seems that the writers were trying to cover all the critical points in fear that they would never get the chance to re-examine the characters' past.

But that isn't to say that I did not enjoy the episode a lot. It is becoming more apparant as time goes by that Rose is among the (if not the most)wisest of the island. Her little philisocial phrases spread throughout the episode compete with those said by Locke and Eko in the past. In conclusion, Rose is the bomb.

[Hodgepodge]

...For one, they gave the impression that this would be the one and only episode that we'll need from the 2. The flashbacks spanned over a fair period of time and covered many basic questions. It was almost like a blanket episode for their characters. It showed them meeting, then Bernard proposing, then the illness developments. It seems that the writers were trying to cover all the critical points in fear that they would never get the chance to re-examine the characters' past...Korniddy, I for one have been clamoring for a Rose flashback/backstory since the beginning of the series. Then, to find out Bernard, who she's believed to be alive all this time, is alive. That definitely called for some history of the couple.

There's also been a lot of backlash about getting back to the main characters of Lost. The ones from S1! You only have to look through the Michelle Rodriguez/Ana-Lucia forum to get a whiff. I think TPTB are trying to quail one storm, before getting back to the main characters. JMO!

[korndiddy]

Korniddy, I for one have been clamoring for a Rose flashback/backstory since the beginning of the series. Then, to find out Bernard, who she's believed to be alive all this time, is alive. That definitely called for some history of the couple.

No, I agree. I guess that my post wasn't clear. I think that everything there should've been covered, but it could've been done in better detail. Other characters get one point of their life placed into multiple episodes; Rose and Bernard had a lot all thrown into a single ep. It just doesn't seem fair, that's all.

[LostEmissary]

Rose on The Cosby Show! ... Up late, I'm sitting here watching the Cosby Show (the original one) on TBS, and none other than L. Scott Caldwell appears on the show as one of Denise's professors. :D

[twinkletoesx]

actually, even though we had a compressed version of Rose and bernard's love story, we do not know very much about them before they met, the flashbak is only about 2 or 3 years back. We know bernard was a bachelor to quickly establish his life, but Ifor all we know Rose may have had a prior marriage with kids and grandkids, and we never saw into their home or homes... which leaves room for more Rose-ism flashbacks.

[LoStMyMiNd]

actually, even though we had a compressed version of Rose and bernard's love story, we do not know very much about them before they met, the flashbak is only about 2 or 3 years back. We know bernard was a bachelor to quickly establish his life, but Ifor all we know Rose may have had a prior marriage with kids and grandkids, and we never saw into their home or homes... which leaves room for more Rose-ism flashbacks.


Agreed, nobody said that was the end of their story

[Hodgepodge]

...I think when Bernard told her name, she acted as if she knew it already, she acted like "obviously your name is bernard", so I was having the feeling she was looking into her future already and deciding if she wanted to marry him or not, and was almost NOT interested at ALL...Twinkletoesx, I don't dismiss the idea Rose may've a certain calling. She maybe "special"! Remember, she was very adament Bernard was alive on another part of the island. "Doctor, my husband is not dead."


...Important line: At the Niagara Falls she said to Bernard "what does God have to do to amaze you?" or something like that when Bernard was not looking at the Niagara Falls. I thought that very interesting. It is not only asked to Bernard but I think to anyone? what will we consider spectacular enough on the show to say it is a Miracle?...I like the point you bring up here. A lot of us, me included, walk around in our own little worlds. Not looking at the big picture. There are some amazing things to see, if we just raise our heads, and open our eyes. And we all know how TPTB love their religious metaphors.


...So she's dying of cancer, but later on the island she's completely cured. OK so I get the point this place is where some people are healed...ONLY 2 OPTIONS LEFT: IT'S A MIRACLE or its a SCIENTIFIC BREAKTRHOUGH, or its a little bit of both, or perhaps as Rose may say, don't question it and don't bite the hands that feed you, she's quite willing to live happily ever after...Prior to S.O.S., I'd started moving toward the theory, Locke's paralysis of four years was psychosomatic. In his mind! But, since Rose's affirmation that the malignancy is gone. And I believe she would know/feel that. I've come back to the idea, the island has recuperative powers.

[Hodgepodge]

...I dont think that Rose, or anyone, has fit all the pieces of what is required of these characters in exchange for their pleasant stay...BA, I remember after watching HotRS, what had Locke given up to regain his mobility. Remember his comment to Charlie! "What I know is that this island might just give you what you're looking for, but you have to give the island something." Also, he had an encounter with "Smokey", and lived to tell the story. Although, he never does!


Agreed, nobody said that was the end of their storyLoStMyMiNd, I'm hoping it isn't either. I'd like to see somthing Rose-centric in S3. :pray:

[boonian androphile]

Trouble is that the "Something" in question may be "Everything" in reality.


Locke may think that he has traded fully, but I contend that he hasnt even begun. As for Rose, she attributes the island's healing powers to a Christian deity, with the island as a sort of Lourdes. I dont know if this means that she will "owe" down the road. If she is obligated, I'd hate to think what her price will be. It's too awful. Regardless, she will, I predict, join Eko's temple/church. And that will piss the island off to no end.

[Hodgepodge]

Trouble is that the "Something" in question may be "Everything" in reality.


Locke may think that he has traded fully, but I contend that he hasnt even begun. As for Rose, she attributes the island's healing powers to a Christian deity, with the island as a sort of Lourdes. I dont know if this means that she will "owe" down the road. If she is obligated, I'd hate to think what her price will be. It's too awful. Regardless, she will, I predict, join Eko's temple/church. And that will piss the island off to no end.BA, I wouldn't be surprised Locke realizes he's given up everything. And accepts, just like he did when Boone died, it's what the island has deemed fair and equitable.

Rose has admitted to herself and Bernard, she's not leaving. We don't know yet what she's given up back home. But she's paying the ultimate price for her health. And like you, I definitely see her in Eko's church. Probably in the front pew. :)

I'm curious to find out if there's additional survivors who've had similar situations to Locke's and Rose's. That would be a nice turn of events. Have you decided yet whether Isaac somehow got Rose on flight 815?

[twinkletoesx]

I definitely see her in Eko's church. Probably in the front pew. :)
Or She might be a different denomination I did not see her helping to build....
Suddenlty overnight I had this concern, that Rose is capable of Lying right just to be left in peace. She was preparing to Lie to Bernard about being Healed, what if she was lying absolutely Lying about the Island healing her to bernard? and we all fell for it ?? She might still be dying of cancer but she likes the Island so may have picked it out as a peaceful place to die. Instead of Lying about the healer fixing her she decided once they crashed to change the story to the island fixing her. Fixing by the way is a pretty crude way of putting Healing, maybe saying fixing is her way of Lying. In the end she sounded sincere and referred to healing not fixing but it might just might be still a big white lie... :confused:

[boonian androphile]

Hodge:

Regarding Isaac's possible role in getting Rose on 815, the parallel to Claire's psychic is there, although Claire's man had a look a trepidation whereas Isaac even in regret expressed a calmer, more peaceful affect. The answer is probably found somewhere in that mess we call the Kiser Sose bulletin board. Somewhere within is probably a vague hidden and ambiguous reference to the Island!!!

[twinkletoesx]

Here's a quote from Shakespear that I found months ago, that I thought applied to ROSE (?) on LOST:

Juliet.
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;--
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? It is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a ROSE
By any other name would smell as sweet;
...Romeo, doff thy name; And for that name,
which is no part of thee, Take all myself.

--From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)

[korndiddy]

What's in a name? that which we call a ROSE
By any other name would smell as sweet

That's one of the most famous quotes from Romeo & Juliet. I doubt any connection unless you can embellish on your point more to show me something that I don't see.

[twinkletoesx]

That's one of the most famous quotes from Romeo & Juliet. I doubt any connection unless you can embellish on your point more to show me something that I don't see.well maybe I am obscure, but the similarities as I see it: Google took me to this passage AT FIRST on the key words of: Arm and Montague. I saw ROSE in the passage and got hooked thinking about it. I understand the french woman said that someone named something like Montagne or Montague does not have an arm. Then I thought the passage seems to fit because LOST is asking us to examine these people on an island closely and ask who is rose & why is Rose acting certain ways, really and to get into her mind (and who is Sawyer, who is Kate, who is Jack, etc)
Yes this is a popular passage in Shakespeare I would expect no less from these writers than to send us to Shakespeare for clues (writers are you listening). As an aside, are not passages in Shakespeare numbered, could one for example look up Romeo & Juliet passages 4,8,15,16,23 and 42....

[cautiousguyonlost]

Rose is such a sweet person. He cares for others and has a good heart for Bernard. Bernard must be lucky to marry a perfect woman with a strong heart and soul.

[MATTC]

:yeah:

[Lost In His Eyes]

SRSLY?

I wouldn't mind seeing Rose again. But her hubby has GOT to go...

[Hodgepodge]

SRSLY?

I wouldn't mind seeing Rose again. But her hubby has GOT to go...LIHE, you know what I heard? S.O.S. was the lowest rated episode todate. Not sure that bodes well for another Rose or Bernard-centric episode. :(

[MrSocko]

She returns! With stylish hair to boot

[boonian androphile]

I like Rose. What a shame that she has thus far only appeared in one episode this season. She had one of the better lines.

[Celtic Ceilidh]

I like Rose. What a shame that she has thus far only appeared in one episode this season. She had one of the better lines.

:yeah:

Rose is definately one of the more interesting characters on Lost. It's too bad that we haven't seen more of her. I will not be happy if she's been brought back to be part of the body count on the season finale.

[Hodgepodge]

I'd be pissed off too CC. :mad: But, it was really nice seeing her and Bernard again. It's been a long time coming.

[Cmdr Spock]

I just wish she'd had a something little more important to do in the finale than watch over the island's stash of Dharma peanuts...:cry:

[Kenji III]

Least you'll see her in the later seasons for her annual one line.

[Dew]

Least you'll see her in the later seasons for her annual one line.
:yeah:

[Cmdr Spock]

Hey! She had some great lines (plural) in the S3 finale! Certainly, she can't be the easiest person to live with, but she does care about her guy. Sure, she rips on him for the whole building the SOS sign out of huge freaking boulders that have to be hauled miles by hand, but when Bernard's gonna put his ass on the line playing sniper for a bunch of people who've pretty much dissed him? "Let's get you some dark clothes..."