S2 EPISODE 14 THREAD 15-FEB-06: One Of Them

[Brian]

This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "One Of Them"

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Episode Description:

Rousseau leads Sayid to a captive who may be one of the "Others," and Sawyer forces Hurley to help him track down an elusive island creature.

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[synthmasterj]

here we go...

[vanillafields3]

OMG it's been a long week! i couldn't wait any longer.

[Mysterious Mike]

Kate's dad , sweet.

Love the flashback so far.

[synthmasterj]

yeah

[LostEmissary]

Yay! :D

So was Danielle really looking for Sayid or did she just say that?

(no spoilers only speculation! :D )

[radiohead]

damn u guys are fast. yeeeehaaawwww kate's daddy intimidating sayid ftw.

[Zelou]

just try to compare charlie flashbacks and sayid flashbacks, that's why i like sayid, it's always intense with him

[LostEmissary]

just try to compare charlie flashbacks and sayid flashbacks, that's why i like sayid, it's always intense with himThat's what's great though - you need that contrast.

[kylesmommy]

Please tell me what is happening, pleeeeeeeaaase

[synthmasterj]

oooo a frog. hehe.

[synthmasterj]

damn hurly is pigging out!

[vanillafields3]

new sawyer nick name for hurley - rerun
another one - bar bar?

[Kud-Dukan]

They should get Danielle to make a ton of crossbows for everyone for the army lol.

[synthmasterj]

Heeeeelp heeeeelp me. i hope we get to the torturing soon.

[radiohead]

damnit hurley why keep the fat stereotype going?????

[synthmasterj]

henry gale?

[synthmasterj]

we're already 20 minutes into this.... its going too fast!

[Zelou]

synthmasterj (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/member.php?u=4499) just enjoy it

[synthmasterj]

k

[vanillafields3]

only takes a couple of minutes to change the combo? i thought it would be a longer process than that.

[time is a river]

But doesn't Sawyer have the guns? What is in the "armory"?

[juanbong]

Sayid throwin' some weight around. About time. I was getting tired of his one lined episodes.

[Mysterious Mike]

How much ranch composite does the hatch have?


It will last seven years at room temp , intresting

[Shiv]

Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. The professor (the wizard) came to Oz in a hot air balloon. I believe he claimed to be from Minnesota. This guy is completely full of crap.

[drewsgrl]

damn hurly is pigging out!

Well, I guess now we won't have to keep asking why he isn't losing weight while on the island!

[drewsgrl]

Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. The professor (the wizard) came to Oz in a hot air balloon. I believe he claimed to be from Minnesota. This guy is completely full of crap.

Good catch

[radiohead]

sayid is PIMP

[CHFDigital]

Great, great and intense episode tonight. "I am Sayid and I am a torturer." (eyes of 'Henry Gale' go wide.)

[Mysterious Mike]

Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. The professor (the wizard) came to Oz in a hot air balloon. I believe he claimed to be from Minnesota. This guy is completely full of crap.



Thanks , I wouldn't have made that connection.

[LoonyLuna]

this is such a dumb question guys but which one was kates dad? i was lookin for him but they didn't look familiar to me. was he the one who showed sayid the video?

[minnesotaadvocate]

Posted by shiv:
Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. The professor (the wizard) came to Oz in a hot air balloon. I believe he claimed to be from Minnesota. This guy is completely full of crap.
What an awesome first post! Welcome!

[GrizMonkey]

Losties need one big 12-step program. "My name is Hurley, and I'm a fat guy." "My name is Sawyer, and I don't play well with others." "My name is Sayid, and I am a torturer." "My name is Jack, and I'm a control freak." "My name is Locke, and I'm a sneaky b**tard."

[vanillafields3]

was it me or did that guy with the beard ( american soldier) look like zeke? i think it eas the sceen where sayid came out with the box of tourture stuff with blood on his hands.

[LostEmissary]

The Wizard's balloon said "state fair omaha" - so the balloon was from Nebraska. Doesn't mean the wizard was from there, but just an FYI.

[drewsgrl]

Woah!! Sawyer!! That was not cool!! Poor frog! I almost thought he was going to keep it as a pet. :(

[drewsgrl]

was it me or did that guy with the beard ( american soldier) look like zeke? i think it eas the sceen where sayid came out with the box of tourture stuff with blood on his hands.

No, I don't think so.

[cattangel]

I officially do not like Sawyer anymore.

[Kud-Dukan]

OMG What were those symbols on the counter?!

[Zelou]

I officially like sawyer more and more

[melissa]

This episode rocks so far. Sayid's back, baby!

Also I totally didn't catch Kate's dad... this forum's awesome.

Great catch about Henry Gale. That last scene of him totally creeped me out.

What a cop out about "finding out what happens when they don't press the button"..... again!

[vegasidol]

beep...beep...beep...


here we go....

[drewsgrl]

woah, sayid is going nuts. he's definitely taking his anger out on this guy.

[synthmasterj]

B.S.


eta: Please keep your posts PG-13 please, thanks.

[Kud-Dukan]

What a cop out about "finding out what happens when they don't press the button"..... again!

We were never told that we would find out what would happened. But we get a bit more than we did before...we got those symbols on the counter.

[drewsgrl]

what the heck just happened w/ those symbols!!?

[radiohead]

OMG does anyone recognize hiroglyphics?

[CHFDigital]

Anyone get a screengrab of the symbols???

[synthmasterj]

what a load of crap.


ETA: edited language.

[LostEmissary]

Anyone else think those symbols look like Egyptian heiroglyphs?

[GrizMonkey]

egyptian hieroglyphics?

[vegasidol]

OMG What were those symbols on the counter?!

What symbols on what counter did you see 5! minutes ago??????????

[synthmasterj]

of course he saves the day. crap.

[Reality]

looks like nothing happens when you dont press the buttons

but only john knows this, maybe he'll use this to his advantage in some way or another

[vanillafields3]

in the words of locke " we're gonna have to watch that again"

[Tibor420]

They looked like hieroglyphics......

[Rollergrrl]

omfg!!!!!!!! those were totally hyeroglyphs!!!??? (sp)

screeeeeeeen caaaaaaaaappppppsss????????

[LoonyLuna]

dubbayew tee eff! locke totally hit execute after the fact. those symbols really creeped me out. i was half expecting the same gas that killed sayids relatives to start pouring out all over the place

[radiohead]

this episode rocks. and yea "henry" gave a very sly look right there

[cattangel]

I officially like sawyer more and more
Funny how I can watch Sahid beat the snot out of someone and still love him but Sawyer squishes one little tree frog and I think he is a monster :thwak:

[Taxman]

Most definatly heiroglyphics. If someone can get a screenie, i'll decipher the ones that showed up.

[CipherBIF]

Weren't the symbols the signs of dharma. The arrow, swan, etc...


Actually not... after rewinding tivo there is a rectangle with a skinny obelisk shape kind of looks like a rocket, definitely a bird heiroglyphic, a diagonal line with two tails, kind of looks like a y, the last one I could see just looked like a piece of string shaped in an upside U with one side longer than the other.

[DontDrinktheWater]

Heiroglyphics!

[synthmasterj]

http://greatscott.com/hiero/

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Yup, egyptian hierglyphs. Lace will be happy.

[radiohead]

those heiroglyphs are translated as:

lol hi 2 u

[LoonyLuna]

this forum is gonna get crazy. i cant wait:Cheers:

[Shiv]

The Wizard's balloon said "state fair omaha" - so the balloon was from Nebraska. Doesn't mean the wizard was from there, but just an FYI.

Yep. Now I remember. Why did Minnesota stick in my head? Does he perhaps say something about being from Minnesota? Either as Professor Marvel or as the wizard? Hmmm..

And regarding first posts...yeah...but I've been lurking for more than a year. I just felt I had to share that one. Don't know why it popped into my head. It just did.

[minnesotaadvocate]

Wondering if those were symbols for the other hatches.

And I didn't think I could hate Jack any more than I did. I was wrong. He's such a stupid, reckless ass. Sorry, just had to say it.

Edited to say: "Gale" said he was from Minnesota.
(Hoping for more interrogation about that so I can tell if he's telling the truth! LOL)

[sculpey]

Would it really be too much to answer just one mystery at some point?

[Canadianchick]

Could those symbols be other Dharma logos?

[ljarvie]

Hey, something was definitely happening. There was equipment spinning up. I think they should let it go. Bummer Locke was the only one to see the counter.

[drewsgrl]

I think something happened, when the counter ran out...we don't see it now, but we'll see later I'm guessing.

[synthmasterj]

http://greatscott.com/hiero/numbers.html

[SeanDude05]

Too bad next week is the "Pilot" episode. another torture fest from ABC.

[jesterjister13]

was that a picture of KATE???

[Yamiluff]

What were those hieroglyphics that appeared when Locke was entering the numbers into the computer?
This is so ominous.
Wow.

I almost can't believe the turns that the lives of the people from the front of the plane are taking.

[Stu Pidass]

When Sayid and Danielle were tying up Henry Gale in the back ground I could have swore that there was another net with a persons arms sticking out of it and moving around. It was either another person or a mistake in filming. Anyone else see it?

[Kud-Dukan]

That was an AWESOME episode. I was totally screaming at the TV when Locke was frantically trying to input the code.

[melissa]

I think Locke hit execute before the final digit in the counter stopped spinning.

Also, that scene of Sayid standing on the side of the road after the military guys drop him off, it looked so CGI'd.

Major PROPS to Sayid for calling Locke and Jack (and everybody else) on forgetting what happened to Claire and Charlie.

BOO to CTV for no previews again.

ETA: I thought the same thing: Was that a picture of Kate? Was that even Kate's dad holding the photo?

ETA again: OMG the ABC previews for next episode look AWESOME. Finally the mystery of what happened to Claire will (hopefully) be solved!

Is it a new one next week?

[Yamiluff]

was that a picture of KATE???

YES! Remember: her father was in the military!

[drewsgrl]

no, charlie hasn't forgotten since he pretended to beone last week!

[synthmasterj]

HOLY CRAP DHARMA!

[synthmasterj]

did anyone see the nexy promo for lost?

[Canadianchick]

HOLY CRAP The previews rock:Headbang:

[Zelou]

CTV cut the previews :(
Can anyone post a link to them asap for all the canadian fans please :D

[bowling255]

Symbols image (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/glyphs.jpg)

[DreaminLost]

I didn't get why Sawyer called Hurley 'Re-Run'. And can someone explain their thoughts on the whole frog thing. It reminded me of the wild boar that was goating him in S1. He let the boar go, but killed the frog. I don't know if I'm trying to read too much into it, but it was all there for a reason. What is it?

[Chinamom]

S2E14: "One of Them"

BIG QUESTIONS:
Who is Henry Gale/Gail?
What are the red hieroglyphics on the counter?
Why did the clock reset?
What happened to Sayid after he was left in the desert?
Are we ever going to see Michael and Walt again?
Why didn’t Sayid ask Danielle more questions about Henry?
Where did Danielle go?

MORE THAN COINCIDENCE?
Kate’s dad interrogating Sayid!

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF:
Jack being able to wrestle Sayid away from Henry Gale.
Ana staying behind instead of following Sayid into the jungle after Rousseau.

QUESTIONS ANSWERED:
Why Sayid became proficient in torture.
Why Hurley isn’t losing weight.

MUST GOOGLE:
ADF beacon transmitter
non-metallic minerals

LOCATIONS FOR THE LOST MAP:
Ramadi, Iraq

NUMBERS:
“Charlie 46” spoken over military compound loudspeaker
ranch dressing shelf life-7 years
balloon crashed 4 months ago
2 days’ walk to the Gales’ cave
Jennifer Gale delirious for 2 days
Sayid was 23 when he was interrogated
Sayid was a torturer for 6 years
Hurley was 10 when his turtle went missing
balloon 110’ high and 60’ wide


CHARACTERS:

Jack: At first I wondered why he wasn’t the least bit suspicious of Henry. But it made sense when he told Sayid that Danielle thought he was an Other too. Jack does a pretty good job of presenting the logic most of the time.

Kate: WHOA, a completely Kate-less episode!

Sawyer: So did anyone else think Sawyer was going to keep the tree frog as a pet? He is REALLY up to his old, no-good despicable ways. Poor little frog! :(

Sayid: FINALLY, NAVEEN GETS SOME LINES!!!!!! And of course, Sayid is the only one who REALLY makes sense. It’s as if everyone else HAS forgotten about Claire’s kidnapping and Charlie’s hanging. I think Sayid knows Charlie helped Sawyer get the guns, and that is why he had this conversation--to get Charlie to reveal the whereabouts of the guns. I don’t think the battle is going to be between Jack & Locke at all; I think it’s going to be Sayid vs. anyone else who doesn’t agree with him.

Locke: Something is amiss with Locke. He seems like a disturbed man instead of the enlightened sage he once appeared to be.

Charlie: He’s already killed someone with no regrets; he could sign up for Sayid’s army.

Claire: Next week’s previews!

Hurley: Man, I do NOT like anyone mistreating Hurley. Sawyer loses big points tonight.

Animals:Tree frog.

Favorite Lines:
Jack to Sayid: Did you shoot him? Sayid: Do I have a bow? ROFL!

Literary/pop references:
Smiley face on the Gales’ balloon

Seriously Creepy:
The military torture box and Sayid’s bloody hands.
Sawyer and the tree frog.

Music:
There were a few of those intense string glissandos--sliding your finger down a string while using the full bow across it. Very creepy and effective in the torture scenes, oh my!

Summary:
Exceptional performance from Naveen tonight! For heaven’s sake, TPTB, will you please come to your senses and give us more Sayid now?

[remkitty]

Heiroglyphs:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html (http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html)



staff, looks like S29 to me
???
feather in headband?
bird, either G1 or G4
missile?

[yung23]

so.. is that maybe the crow ? corvus ?

if there are five digits here, each looking like they count down and lock into place.. what happens when all five get locked into place.. ?

is the sixth "lock down" the Swan hatch ?

[radiohead]

what i gathered:

-danielle supposedly captured "gale" and gave him to sayid (don't know if danielle is an other yet... now that preview...)
-locke is ok with torture, jack is still on moral highground
-the clock counts past zero and starts a symbol countdown (or what happens at 0 already happened)
-"gale" gives a sly look when jack rescues him
-sayid was captured by kate's dad's unit during desert storm. he became a torturer through torturing his fellow soldier

[chriskzoo]

I didn't get why Sawyer called Hurley 'Re-Run'. And can someone explain their thoughts on the whole frog thing. It reminded me of the wild boar that was goating him in S1. He let the boar go, but killed the frog. I don't know if I'm trying to read too much into it, but it was all there for a reason. What is it?

Rerun was a fat guy from "What's happening!?" in the early 80's.

http://www.sfist.com/attachments/sfist_rain/rerun.jpg

[Mysterious Mike]

is the sixth "lock down" the Swan hatch ?




By "lock down" do you mean the blast doors come down?

[salem2005]

Just a couple of notes on what I've read here so far...

1. For those who say “nothing happened” when the clock struck zero and the numbers turned to symbols…don’t be so sure that “nothing happened” – I believe something did happen…we just don’t know what yet. Those symbols meant something happened. Perhaps another incident has begun?

2. Yes, Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. Henry Gale also plays the Emerald City Guard. Since the Wizard came to Oz in a hot air balloon...the munchkins tell Dorothy that the only one who can help her get back HOME is the Wizard of Oz. Interesting to bring up the subject of "how to get back home" when you are lost.

[DreaminLost]

The seriously creepy look Gale gave when Jack pulled Sayid off him said it all. He definately is an Other. Ethan said he was from Canada; Minnesota isn't that far off... Maybe something about frozen hell?

[Diamondduste]

Just a couple of notes on what I've read here so far...

1. For those who say “nothing happened” when the clock struck zero and the numbers turned to symbols…don’t be so sure that “nothing happened” – I believe something did happen…we just don’t know what yet. Those symbols meant something happened. Perhaps another incident has begun?

2. Yes, Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. Henry Gale also plays the Emerald City Guard. Since the Wizard came to Oz in a hot air balloon...the munchkins tell Dorothy that the only one who can help her get back HOME is the Wizard of Oz. Interesting to bring up the subject of "how to get back home" when you are lost.

Interesting theory regarding Gale. I thought it was important when Sayid questioned him about the radio beacon on the balloon. If Gale is telling the truth, I have a feeling there might be a trek to that portion of the island in the near future.

[salem2005]

Kate: WHOA, a completely Kate-less episode!

Not quite...we did see her in the picture her dad was holding up!

[radiohead]

did somebody say rerun?

http://loldialup.ytmnd.com/

[chriskzoo]

Regarding the picture being of Kate, she went to the Army recruiting center in an earlier episode to see her Dad and it was not the same actor, if memory serves.

[synthmasterj]

the staff = s the bird = a i dont know the rest.

[melissa]

CTV cut the previews :(
Can anyone post a link to them asap for all the canadian fans please :D

Basically Libby is going to do some shrink magic, and gets Claire to remember what happened to her when she was kidnapped. And apparently we see another hatch!

[pugsncruisers]

So far as i can tell, and I am probably wrong, but i have an s, blank, an e or an I, an A, and a B. Can't make sense of it!!!

[Homer Noodleman]

Bleh, a fairly weak episode in my opinion. They completely muddled Sayid's background. In his first flashback he had been promoted to a torturer from his position as a Communnications Officer, now it turns out he was a Baathist Do-Gooder who got tricked into it by the Eeeeeevil CIA (or whatever that goober was). Way to be groundbreaking Hollywood -- we never would have imagined that story line out of you. :rolleyez: Hey! I know -- maybe you can add some Eeeevil business men funding research by Eeeeeevil scientists into the ultimate killing machine. I swear, we wouldn't see that coming from a mile!

Plus the whole Sawyer chasing a tree frog side story seemed like it could have used a little work... like tossing the whole thing out and replacing it with something mildy interesting.

The hatch scene was pretty good. Much bubbling testosterone. I wonder if they screw up and let the Other get loose? They should put a ladder up by the counter and see if they can flip the cards back to take a look at the symbols.

Even Crazy Danielle was even duller than usual, and I'm found of her loony ways. Also, by now it is getting more than a little bit unbelievable that the cracker-jack interogator Sayid keeps forgeting to ask Danielle any questions. Seesh, what a pack of morons.

[SilverArrowIII]

The guy who spoke to sayid in his language(before he gave him the money), was he the same guy who spoke to jin in the bathroom in the season1 Finale

[WASTE]

I think an incident almost began, but Locke stopped it. I think once this weird symbols were all displayed then something bad would have happened, but Locke was quick enough. The symbols seem to correspond with Egyptian Hieroglyphs depicting certain things...but I need to see that again to determine what they are.

I saw one that looked like a crow, and another that looked like a ribbon. I did some digging, and found out that these translate to "arrow":

http://hieroglyphs.net/0301/images/d/47.gif

Perhaps it displays the logos for the other stations, and when the countdown is finished members of the other stations have to respond to prevent something from happening? Kind of like a missile launch code...

[LOSTintheBOONE-ies]

I practically screamed when I saw the soldier holding Kate's picture. Definitely NOT her dad, however. Folks, I think tonight we finally met the husband she alluded to some time ago. Will be interesting to see how this plays itself out. Did she commit the crime and go on the lamb (spelling?) while he was in Saudi Arabia?

[Diamondduste]

Here's some information about the radio beacon Gale mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-directional_beacon

[salem2005]

The seriously creepy look Gale gave when Jack pulled Sayid off him said it all. He definately is an Other. Ethan said he was from Canada; Minnesota isn't that far off... Maybe something about frozen hell?

I don't think Henry Gale is an "Other" - there is something else about him...not sure what it is...I need to think about it more. However, with that said, I'm not sure he is telling an ounce of truth with his story...but, for some reason, I just don't think he is an "Other." He is something else.

[yung23]

that not what I meant mike.

once all five symbols get locked into place, then our swan hatch will do it's thing.

[stephew]

Heiroglyphs:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html (http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html)


staff, looks like S29 to me
???
feather in headband?
bird, either G1 or G4
missile?doesnt the symbol on the far right look like Mr. Eko's Jesus Stick?
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x14/glyphs.jpg

[Diamondduste]

I practically screamed when I saw the soldier holding Kate's picture. Definitely NOT her dad, however. Folks, I think tonight we finally met the husband she alluded to some time ago. Will be interesting to see how this plays itself out. Did she commit the crime and go on the lamb while he was in Saudi Arabia?

That was her dad. It was the same actor that played her dad in "What Kate Did". Why would her husband have a picture of her when she was a kid?

[G-Man]

looks like nothing happens when you dont press the buttons

but only john knows this, maybe he'll use this to his advantage in some way or another

GREAT CALL. the symbols were misdirection. I think the key is that we DO know what happens now when it hits zero.

[jaysmusicman]

I didn't get why Sawyer called Hurley 'Re-Run'. And can someone explain their thoughts on the whole frog thing. It reminded me of the wild boar that was goating him in S1. He let the boar go, but killed the frog. I don't know if I'm trying to read too much into it, but it was all there for a reason. What is it?
which better way to pull the heat from the viewers than hurley right?.. I think its the writers saying that sawyer is back in his full force evil ways!which I think rocks!

[Diamondduste]

Something about the hieroglyphics:

There were Chinese characters in the rotating blocks. The symbols weren't all exclusively Egyptian.

[Homer Noodleman]

I practically screamed when I saw the soldier holding Kate's picture. Definitely NOT her dad, however. Folks, I think tonight we finally met the husband she alluded to some time ago. Will be interesting to see how this plays itself out. Did she commit the crime and go on the lamb (spelling?) while he was in Saudi Arabia?

Uhhh... that was her Dad. You didn't recognize him the moment he appeared on screen?

BTW, ASK is mighty pissed off over the lack of clues. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[yung23]

I practically screamed when I saw the soldier holding Kate's picture. Definitely NOT her dad, however. Folks, I think tonight we finally met the husband she alluded to some time ago. Will be interesting to see how this plays itself out. Did she commit the crime and go on the lamb (spelling?) while he was in Saudi Arabia?

but it WS her dad, just not her real dad..
it was here preferred dad. the army dude.

so obvious..

[ScoobMaster]

Ok, slowing it down, I don't know a lick about heiroglyphics, but here is what I see. the first number (which is definitely the last one that stopped spinning) appeared to in the form of, well can't say paperclip cause it wasn't smooth and didn't go around enough times, but close to that.

The second symbol never stopped spinning, but while it spun looked like a stick figure slide show almost

third symbol looked kind of like fire, like a flat lighter, or bunsin burner, shooting up a small flame

the 4th symbol was a bird, can't tell what king, but it was grounded not flying, and while it spun it looked like a stick figure, exactly like the second symbol.

the last symbol was a line that looked like a fork in the road, kind of like a y

anyway, they don't mean anything to me

[yung23]

nice timing homer.

you got in there just before me/

[DreaminLost]

I practically screamed when I saw the soldier holding Kate's picture. Definitely NOT her dad, however. Folks, I think tonight we finally met the husband she alluded to some time ago. Will be interesting to see how this plays itself out. Did she commit the crime and go on the lamb (spelling?) while he was in Saudi Arabia?

But it was a picture of a little girl. Wasn't it? Why would Kate's husband have that?

[pugsncruisers]

That was definitely Kates' dad, and the pic was of her!!

[Macrule36]

I believe the first hieroglyph looks like a finger...I had it on pause and that's all I could make out...and the gnarly things "clamping" in the background...that episode was nuts

[Diamondduste]

I searched ADI beacon and this is a little weird they have a headquarters in Ann Arbor, Michigan exactly where the University of Michigan is. What is it with Dharma and Michigan connections.





Applied Dynamics International is a supplier of advanced embedded hardware and software tools for the aviation, aerospace, automotive, defence, electronics and other related industries. In addition to its Michigan headquarters, ADI has an international office in the United Kingdom and installations in 23 countries and representatives throughout the world.


Ann Arbor, Michigan - Applied Dynamics International, Inc. (ADI) today announced that British Aerospace Military Aircraft and Aerostructures (BAe) will use ADI's BEACON software tool to design the General Systems Utility Systems Management System (USMS) software on the NIMROD MRA4. BAe will upgrade the Royal Air Force's (RAF) current fleet of 21 NIMROD MR Mk2 maritime patrol aircraft to NIMROD MRA4 standards.

ADI's BEACON tool set uses its own graphical programming language specifically designed for embedded software controls. Every embedded software task is covered – from signal management to control laws – using the native BEACON signal flow block palettes. Critical algorithmic decision-making can be embodied in BEACON's control flow diagrams, using the clear and concise language of standard flowcharts to specify your program's requirements and design.

It was an ADF Beacon, not an ADI. Here's a link to more info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-directional_beacon

[ILikeLostBrunettes]

Why is there a discussion? It was her dad, plain and simple. There is no arguement here I hope. Please tell me there is no arguement. Her "Army" dad... good grief did anyone watch "What Kate Did" ??? BTW, the guy was lying... b/c I didn't feel bad for hating him. :)

[SeanDude05]

I cant find the Diagonal arrow, but here is the egyptian heiroglyphic alphabet.
http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/yourname.gif

Could the m or m be the last symbol, off of this site?
http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/alpha.htm

[LostInWilderness]

The smoke and noises at the end when the count reaches zero is also reminiscient of the Wizard of Oz. Is Kate Dorothy?

[salem2005]

That was definitely Kates' dad, and the pic was of her!!

Yes, it was Kate's dad..or at least the guy she thought was her dad - he is the Sgt. she went to visit in her flashback episode. And yes, it is played by the same actor, it was listed in both episodes as: Sgt. Austen Played by Lindsey Gintner.

[chriskzoo]

The Actor from this week is Clancy Brown - same guy from Shawshank Redemption, etc. In his IMDB (which has been wrong before) he is not listed in What Kate Did, and I don't remember seeing him in it.

[salem2005]

Did anyone notice "Smokey the monster" make his appearance in Sayid's flashback...okay, just kidding...it wasn't really the "Smokey" we've come to know and love, but could they have been anymore obvious with having that plume of smoke out in the Gulf desert in the background with Sayid just standing there...right after the American solider guy tells him what they taught him to do (torture) will come in handy ONE DAY in the future!

[stephew]

I cant find the Diagonal arrow, but here is the egyptian heiroglyphic alphabet.
http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/yourname.gif

Could the m or m be the last symbol, off of this site?
http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/alpha.htmso we have C or S, then E or I, then A, then Jesus Stick?

[Mysterious Mike]

It was an ADF Beacon, not an ADI. Here's a link to more info:





I just realized that , thanks

[mrshields]

hi guys im here in england having a very late night. does anybody know where i will be able to down load tonights episode from. Thanks Andrew

[chriskzoo]

Ah, nevermind, I got confused as to which guy pulld out the picture!

[G-Man]

I think Sayid knows Charlie helped Sawyer get the guns, and that is why he had this conversation--to get Charlie to reveal the whereabouts of the guns. I don’t think the battle is going to be between Jack & Locke at all; I think it’s going to be Sayid vs. anyone else who doesn’t agree with him.



as always great post chinamom. I particularly liked this part. I thought sayid was being a bit unruly at first but loved the way they emphasized *remembering* what has happened in the past. very cool stuff tonight.

[DreaminLost]

The smoke and noises at the end when the count reaches zero is also reminiscient of the Wizard of Oz. Is Kate Dorothy?
I'm still hung up on The Incident at Owl Creek discussion from last week. I can't get it out of my head that they're all in their final moments of dying as the plane is going down. That's the reason their lives are 'flashing before their eyes'.

If Kate is the symbolic Dorothy, she aint gettin back home to Kansas.

[Homer Noodleman]

I believe the first hieroglyph looks like a finger...I had it on pause and that's all I could make out...and the gnarly things "clamping" in the background...that episode was nuts

The hatch gives you the finger when you don't enter the numbers? Maybe the incident was an FCC fine. http://jazzopolis.com/pix/bong.gif

[stephew]

Did anyone notice "Smokey the monster" make his appearance in Sayid's flashback...okay, just kidding...it wasn't really the "Smokey" we've come to know and love, but could they have been anymore obvious with having that plume of smoke out in the Gulf desert in the background with Sayid just standing there...right after the American solider guy tells him what they taught him to do (torture) will come in handy ONE DAY in the future!was the Iraqi's burning their oil wells. You can also see a simliar scene in Jarhead. Made sence since the troops were bugging out. BTW, since Clancy Brown Spoke the language, why'd he need Sayid?

[SeanDude05]

Could the symbols be X-?-? | A-M
?

[redneck once removed]

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
:thwak: Sawyer :thwak:
:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

R.I.P.:cry: lil froggy
:eek: :vomit: :sigh: :ashamed: :ashamed:

[Mysterious Mike]

The hatch gives you the finger when you don't enter the numbers? Maybe the incident was an FCC fine.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rockon:

[SelfProjectRealized]

Small tidbit - if the symbols are being used phonetically and not semantically, we get to fill in the vowels ourselves. Based on my research, I think the first three symbols could possibly spell Sayid. If they are being used semantically, then I have no idea. It would take someone with better knowledge than my linguistics book.

[Diamondduste]

was the Iraqi's burning their oil wells. You can also see a simliar scene in Jarhead. Made sence since the troops were bugging out. BTW, since Clancy Brown Spoke the language, why'd he need Sayid?

Even if the CIA agent spoke Arabic, do you think the Republican Guardsman would have said anything to him? The agent probably knew he stood a better chance of getting him to talk by using an Iraqi...

OR...

The agent knew the helicopter pilot was already dead, and he wanted an Iraqi to torture another Iraqi... thus the blood wouldn't be on his hands.

[salem2005]

The Actor from this week is Clancy Brown - same guy from Shawshank Redemption, etc. In his IMDB (which has been wrong before) he is not listed in What Kate Did, and I don't remember seeing him in it.

I thought Clancy Brown was the other guy in this week's episode...they guy who showed Sayid the video and then gave him the money at the end and talked to him in Arabic. Wasn't that the actor Clancy Brown? Maybe I'm just confused....

[SeanDude05]

Nevermind, it could be C,S then E,I maybe, then A
Could the last one be the M, just diagonal?
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/148/lastletter5fp.gif

[SelfProjectRealized]

I'm not sure where you see E or I but there's really no Egyptian hieroglyphs for vowels.

[vicki1624]

OMG What were those symbols on the counter?!

they looked like egyption heiroglyphics (sp?) to me.

[SeanDude05]

I didnt come to E or I, someone else a page or two back did.

[ichthusgirl]

Saw this on another site:

They could be Australian Heiroglyphics. Here's a site to check out:
www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/article.htm

Hopefully someone will figure this out soon!

[LostEmissary]

Saw this on another site:

They could be Australian Heiroglyphics. Here's a site to check out:
www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/article.htm (http://www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/article.htm)

Hopefully someone will figure this out soon!NICE find. It's even titled "the oz - egyptian enigma".... (which would relate to the whole "Wizard of Oz" connections :eye-poppi

(oz being a "nickname" for Australia)

And how about this from the same page!!

The rock walls chronicle a tragic saga of ancient explorers shipwrecked in a strange and hostile land, and the untimely death of their royal leader, "Lord Djes-eb". :eye-poppi :eye-poppi

[Lost=Crack]

Semantically I have run across this so far......

saw _ _ Father _

I cant find those other symbols with definitions. Whats anoying is that here http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html I can find the symbols but no meanings. Its goes s29 u29 g1 z6

As far as letters go we are looking at S _ _ A _ The other missing symbols are not letters in the alphabet so Im guessing that these are all words hopefully forming a sentence.

[redneck once removed]

The guy who spoke to sayid in his language(before he gave him the money), was he the same guy who spoke to jin in the bathroom in the season1 Finale


I think you're on the right track but I don't think it was the military dude, I think it was "Gale" himself?!

[LostEmissary]

The guy who spoke to sayid in his language(before he gave him the money), was he the same guy who spoke to jin in the bathroom in the season1 Finale

It wasn't the same guy, trust me.

[ScoobMaster]

well, in this phonetically spelled heiroclyphics page, the third symbol looks like the "mn" sound , so I have

s/c ? mn | a ?

the last symbol comes up a few times in the picturs of symbols someone posted a few pages back, but the symbol isn't translated

anyway here is the phonetic page http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/phonetic.htm

[Mysterious Mike]

I think you're on the right track but I don't think it was the military dude, I think it was "Gale" himself?!




Intresting idea but I don't think it was either of them. There is no way it is the CIA guy and the dude from the bathroom had like dirty blonde hair.With this show anything is possible though.

[saharawi]

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/40/403.html

Closest I can find to that symbol at the end.

[ZIA]

so we have C or S, then E or I, then A, then Jesus Stick?

There's only a minor problem the E or I you speak of actually had a square base attatched to the bottoms of the symbol as the clock ran out,so it's not the heiroglyphic equal to the E or I.
zia

[inepu]

Regarding the hieroglyphs...Even though the second one is not shown and the last one is not quite correct, the message is still pretty clear. It says to leave. Seems like an appropriate message given the circumstances.

[LostEmissary]

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/40/403.html

Closest I can find to that symbol at the end.


40:3 · A common sign for woman in modern and ancient ideography. The corresponding sign for man is http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/04/0429b.gif or http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/04/0430a.gif (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/04/0434.html).

That looks like the symbol ( http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/04/0429b.gif ) The symbol for "man" at an angle, but I have a feeling this could be coincidence. The symbols on that page are Western symbols.

[ZIA]

Something about the hieroglyphics:

There were Chinese characters in the rotating blocks. The symbols weren't all exclusively Egyptian.
I completely agree, see my previous post...only the bird could be considered a heiroglyphic symbol. I replayed it frame by frame just to make sure.
Z

[Miracle_Max]

That looks like the symbol ( http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/04/0429b.gif ) ! The symbol for "man" at an angle.

Nope. The last symbol is Z6 in Gardiner's "Egyptian Grammar." It's a hieratic determinant that implies death/deceased, or in some contexts, enemy. I need a screencap that shows the 2nd tile and I can probably figure it out -- can anyone hook me up??

[Diamondduste]

Saw this on another site:

They could be Australian Heiroglyphics. Here's a site to check out:
www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/article.htm (http://www.ozemail.com.au/%7Eclassblu/egypt/article.htm)

Hopefully someone will figure this out soon!

Excellent find.

Australian hieroglyphics would make much more sense than Egyptian ones.

[ScoobMaster]

I completely agree, see my previous post...only the bird could be considered a heiroglyphic symbol. I replayed it frame by frame just to make sure.
Z

well, the folded cloth, which is the first symbol, is definitely egyptian

[LostEmissary]

Nope. The last symbol is Z6 in Gardiner's "Egyptian Grammar." It's a hieratic determinant that implies death/deceased, or in some contexts, enemy. I need a screencap that shows the 2nd tile and I can probably figure it out -- can anyone hook me up??Awesome, thanks!! I'm not so sure the 2nd symbol ever appeared, but if it did, a cap will eventually be available. Stick around and welcome to the message boards :)

[ScoobMaster]

Nope. The last symbol is Z6 in Gardiner's "Egyptian Grammar." It's a hieratic determinant that implies death/deceased, or in some contexts, enemy. I need a screencap that shows the 2nd tile and I can probably figure it out -- can anyone hook me up??

there is no screencap for that, the second tile was never shown

[Miracle_Max]

I completely agree, see my previous post...only the bird could be considered a heiroglyphic symbol. I replayed it frame by frame just to make sure.
Z

These are all hieroglyphs:
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jdahling/lost.jpg
This is the only screencap that I have right now, so I'm missing #2. So far, the transliteration is approximately "s_nma" with the determinant I described above at the end. This is NOT an English translation, so don't go crazy trying to interpret it! :)

[LostEmissary]

These are all hieroglyphs:
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jdahling/lost.jpg
This is the only screencap that I have right now, so I'm missing #2. So far, the transliteration is approximately "s_nma" with the determinant I described above at the end. This is NOT an English translation, so don't go crazy trying to interpret it! :)Thanks Max! If I'm not interpreting you wrong, the last symbol is similar to a punctuation mark? (In this case something like an evil exclamation point? lol)

[LostEmissary]

It would probably be a good idea to continue all discussion of the symbols in this thread (about the symbols):

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14770

[Miracle_Max]

Someone on another board provided this screencap from when the tiles were flipping:
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jdahling/lost2.jpg
This figure of a man in the first tile is a determinative used with phrases that are meant to be communicated -- you see it placed on words that are meant to be spoken, thought, or felt empathetically. Should it be interpreted with the statement that we're working on figuring out? Who knows, but I'd say yeah considering how sneaky the writers tend to be...

[Clandestine]

So, TPTB slapping it right in the face of the internet losers who make screecaps was pretty sweet eh?

Where's all the talk about the 3 dividers now eh? And how it was gonna be a dream sequence. Or a different timer in the hatch?????

/.fakepreview.\

Repeats next week blow. This episode was the fuggin man.

Sawyer is the best.
Syaid better get ahold of himself.
Jack isn't the man anymore.
Locke still rocks the house.

[ScoobMaster]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/Sporkguy/lostmystery.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/Sporkguy/lostmystery.jpg

click on the link for a bigger picture, you can actually make out the symbol!!!

unfortunately it looked like there were a lot of symbols while it was spinning, so it may not be the right one, please try to translate anyway Max

oops i guess u cant get it bigger, well, it looks like a tree if that helps

[Jewely]

new sawyer nick name for hurley - rerun
another one - bar bar?

The elephant! ;)

[Mysterious Mike]

It would probably be a good idea to continue all discussion of the symbols in this thread (about the symbols):

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=14770



I think this is what was being hinted at in the first post in this thread. :D

[magnoliasouth]

Know what? I'm just about loving this thread as much as the episode! ;)

[Mimi]

Wow. Quite an episode.

First off, I didn't recognize Kate's dad, but I did recognize her in the pic, and to me...it didn't look like a little girl. I could easily recognize that it was Kate...so I thought she looked older in the pic.

Sawyer and Hurley: Was that whole frog quest just to fill up the other part of the hour? Because it didn't seem like there was much of a point to it. Poor Hurley...I think I am more mad at Sawyer for taking stabs at Hurley, rather than being so mad at him for killing the frog. Poor frog, but I felt really bad for Hurley.

Henry Gale: I didn't even catch that whole Wizard of Oz connection. Nice catch! At first I thought he was being sincere, but then when Sayid pointed out how he would remember if he had to bury someone he loved...my thoughts changed. And whoa...what was with that seriously creepy look he gave Sayid right after Jack pulled Sayid off of him?!! That was definitely not a scared look, it looked more like a smirk to me.

Locke: That is interesting that Locke was okay with the idea of torturing..and helped Sayid with the whole thing. I can't decide if the red symbols were a red warning sign saying...your time is up...too late now, something has happened...or if those last few seconds of the symbols appearing where a sort of "grace" period...to give them a little more time. And that is why nothing happened, because Locke hit execute before they completely stopped popping up.

Jack: Is really getting on my nerves...I was mad when he was giving Locke the ultimatum with the combo and the counter. He is a softie, doesn't want Sayid to torture Henry...but how quickly he did indeed forget what the "others" did to Charlie and Claire...just like Sayid said. How quickly they all forgot.

Sayid: Now we know how he got into the torturing business. And he said he would never do that again...well, I guess he decided that he did need to use it again. It really bugs me that he didn't ask Danielle more questions though. He was defintely taking his anger out on Henry, and I am pretty sure that he saw the weird look Henry gave him, which makes his suspicions even more confirmed that Henry is "one of them."

Danielle: Why would she go and get Sayid to come to Henry, and then just leave? If he is "an other"...why wouldn't she want to stick around and find out if he knows where Alex is? Or try to make him tell her himself? That was weird that she didn't stick around.

Those symbols were so weird. When I first saw them, I was like..."WHOA!!!" I can't wait until we can figure out what they say. I wonder if any of the letters could be linked to Alvar Hanso.

Overall, nice episode! And those previews looked really good. I can't wait. :D

[Clandestine]

wingdings.

[Miracle_Max]

Thanks Max! If I'm not interpreting you wrong, the last symbol is similar to a punctuation mark? (In this case something like an evil exclamation point? lol)

The last symbol, the determinant, gives you a "context" to interpret a written statement that could be translated a number of different ways. For example, think about how the word "store" has several different meanings in English. If I needed you to understand what I meant just by seeing that one word, I could draw a little Walmart next to it if I wanted you to know I meant "store" as in a place to shop, versus "store" as the action of putting something away.

[Miracle_Max]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/Sporkguy/lostmystery.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/Sporkguy/lostmystery.jpg

click on the link for a bigger picture, you can actually make out the symbol!!!

unfortunately it looked like there were a lot of symbols while it was spinning, so it may not be the right one, please try to translate anyway Max

oops i guess u cant get it bigger, well, it looks like a tree if that helps

SO CLOSE!!! Thanks, but I need a bigger picture!!

[RawrAli]

I just wanted to add that some hieroglyphics are meant to be read left-to-right, the way that we read in English, but some are meant to be read right-to-left, so that may be another way of looking at the symbols.

[ScoobMaster]

Ok after slowing it down tons more, the 2nd symbol flipped through the foldd cloth, the third symbol, a tree symbol, a heiroglph of a man, and a really creepy drawing of a person, definitely not a heiroglyph

[Clandestine]

and what about jack watching - dare i say PROMOTING - Syaid to torture Sawyer in Season 1. And now he's all against it? Get real McBeal.

[Miracle_Max]

I just wanted to add that some hieroglyphics are meant to be read left-to-right, the way that we read in English, but some are meant to be read right-to-left, so that may be another way of looking at the symbols.

True, but the vast majority of the time you can easily figure the direction. The rule of thumb is to read into the face of any animate hieroglyph, like a human, jackal, bird, etc. In this case, we have a vulture facing left, so we read into its face, left to right.

[Lost=Crack]

I completely agree, see my previous post...only the bird could be considered a heiroglyphic symbol. I replayed it frame by frame just to make sure.
Z


HUH?? I have found all the symbols in egyptian hieroglyphics tables

http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html

As I noted in my earlier post. I see no symbols that look chinese either. Even the last symbol is in there and its tilted just like we see it in the show. In order they are s29 u29 g1 z6

Also to note that upon further review you can clearly see another hieroglyph of a man with his right arm to his head. The best shot of it is right as the numbers are resetting themselves after lock as reentered the code. Its quick but its clear as day. This symbol is identical to A2 on that table. There is also some round symbol that we never see clearly so who knows. Now we need some translators.

[ZIA]

well, the folded cloth, which is the first symbol, is definitely egyptian

It looks like a string to me.haha

[inepu]

I just wanted to add that some hieroglyphics are meant to be read left-to-right, the way that we read in English, but some are meant to be read right-to-left, so that may be another way of looking at the symbols.

This is true, but the direction the bird is facing tells us that the message is meant to be read left to right. The translation of the message is 'leave'.

[Mimi]

Those nicknames Sawyer gave Hurley were mean...but the way he said them was so funny. He just keeps spitting them out without a thought.

Barbar = the elephant. Some kids books about an elephant. I loved those books. They were great. :D

And why would that guy pay Sayid for what he did for them? I would think that letting him go free would be payment enough.

Jack's short reply of "Shut up" to Locke was kind of annoying. Get with it Jack...you aren't the king of the island.

My thoughts on Locke keep changing. I liked him a lot before, then when he started picking on Charlie, I liked him less. In these last two episodes, he is more likable again. I can't figure him out. He is changing how he acts all the time. What is going on with him?

[Kate is sexy]

I just wanted to add that some hieroglyphics are meant to be read left-to-right, the way that we read in English, but some are meant to be read right-to-left, so that may be another way of looking at the symbols.

That makes sense and that why the ones on the left stoppe flipping 1st and the ones on the right were the last ones to flip.

[Lost=Crack]

It looks like a string to me.haha

Its a folded cloth and represents the letter (sound) s or ss and the vulture is a or ah

[Now Am Found]

Henry Gale - I am not as good at picking out background stuff as you guys are, but I could have sworn that when then were picking him up to put him into the armory, there was a picture on the wall. It was at an angle, and perhaps I just wanted it to be so, but it looked like a painting of a field and a hot air balloon. I don't know how to do a screen cap - but I can take a picture of my TV on that frame tomorrow and post it (unless I am tarred & feathered and deemed a crack smoker for thinking I saw such a thing). He didn't say who he was until he could have seen that painting.

They really need Grissom to land on the island to catch all of these literary references. He would've pegged Henry Gale from the start.


Secondly - in the last few episodes I've gotten the sense that people are forgetting things. Not major things - but little annoying things, like when Libby mentioned to Hurley about seeing him on the flight, and he said, "what flight?" Hurley was the one seemingly the most forgetful, without it being made a big deal. Then with Sayid asking Charlie if he was forgetting - makes me wonder if "forgetting" is part of the sickness, or effect of the island (have the Others forgotten who they are and how they got there?). I don't know - it just seemed odd for the show to end on that note, when I've been getting the sense that they are becoming forgetful in the last few weeks.

[Kate is sexy]

and what about jack watching - dare i say PROMOTING - Syaid to torture Sawyer in Season 1. And now he's all against it? Get real McBeal.

He felt guilty about it after he let Sayid torture Sawyer. I guess he dint want to feel the same way again.

[lostmio]

I liked it lots but hey, I'm easy when it comes to Lost.

Worst part: Hurley's food stash. Tacky & cheap writing. They wanted to show us again how Sawyer's regressed but we got that already. They wanted to work in a tree frog reference, ok, we got it and we all googled tree frogs and found out medicine is made from their skin secretions. Big hooha. We don't know how said substance (Caerulein, btw) will tie in but lots of folks will be adding dull links to their T&S theories.
Even if something happens to Sawyer's hand after smushing Kermit, they could have found a better way to lead him to doing it.

Best parts: Danielle, Danielle, Danielle. Wizard of Oz refs. My man Sayid. I like saying "my man Sayid" because before tonight I never understood what his fans and Barbara see in him, it's a new thing for me to like him so much. Great creepy torture scenes and music. And Charlie! Who'd have thunk I'd ever be a Charlie and Sayid fan??!!

Best or Worst, I don't know: Locke napping midday on the bunk. Great dork thing.

Chinamom, was that you that wrote suspension of belief doesn't cut it re Jack pulling Sawyer off Henry? Amen, sister.
Btw, I KNOW Henry was lying because his wife's name was Alice or Gertrude or Auntie Em but I just don't see him with a Jennifer.

[Homer Noodleman]

I've been waiting for somebody to tell that windbag Locke to shut up for some time now, so I quite enjoyed Jack's line.

[Cees]

I liked this episode. A lot. Except for Sawyer squishing the frog! I was at least hoping he would crush it with his foot, but in his hand...that is just so wrong. And dropping it in Hurley's hand was even worse. There was no call for that. I think the whole point of the "frog quest" was to show Sawyer is pretty heartless and cruel now.

If I'm not mistaken, it was Jack who gave the okay for Sayid to torture Sawyer back in season one. So why is torture suddenly so squeamish/wrong for him? Because he's a doctor and the guy was injured? Please. Something is weird with that. He was so willing to torture Sawyer over something not as important as maybe having an "Other" in their hands.

I'm also wondering when they are going to give us something about Michael or Walt.

Danielle's strange...though I have to say, being alone on an island with a bunch of killers and kidnappers for 16 years would do that to you. But I, too, don't understand why she wouldn't want to stick around and hear the anwers Sayid was supposed to get from "Henry."

I definitely agree that "Henry" is evil. That look on the end...cold shivers.

[Miracle_Max]

This is true, but the direction the bird is facing tells us that the message is meant to be read left to right. The translation of the message is 'leave'.

Where are you getting this translation? It's feasible, but you would need the missing second hieroglyph to know for sure...

[ZIA]

HUH?? I have found all the symbols in egyptian hieroglyphics tables

http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html

As I noted in my earlier post. I see no symbols that look chinese either. Even the last symbol is in there and its tilted just like we see it in the show. In order they are s29 u29 g1 z6

Also to note that upon further review you can clearly see another hieroglyph of a man with his right arm to his head. The best shot of it is right as the numbers are resetting themselves after lock as reentered the code. Its quick but its clear as day. This symbol is identical to A2 on that table. There is also some round symbol that we never see clearly so who knows. Now we need some translators.
Well, I just looked at the chart and I still don't see the feather symbol with the square base on the bottom. I did see the man in the epi. but it was still spinning.

[Lost=Crack]

Henry Gale - I am not as good at picking out background stuff as you guys are, but I could have sworn that when then were picking him up to put him into the armory, there was a picture on the wall. It was at an angle, and perhaps I just wanted it to be so, but it looked like a painting of a field and a hot air balloon. I don't know how to do a screen cap - but I can take a picture of my TV on that frame tomorrow and post it (unless I am tarred & feathered and deemed a crack smoker for thinking I saw such a thing). He didn't say who he was until he could have seen that painting.

They really need Grissom to land on the island to catch all of these literary references. He would've pegged Henry Gale from the start.


Secondly - in the last few episodes I've gotten the sense that people are forgetting things. Not major things - but little annoying things, like when Libby mentioned to Hurley about seeing him on the flight, and he said, "what flight?" Hurley was the one seemingly the most forgetful, without it being made a big deal. Then with Sayid asking Charlie if he was forgetting - makes me wonder if "forgetting" is part of the sickness, or effect of the island (have the Others forgotten who they are and how they got there?). I don't know - it just seemed odd for the show to end on that note, when I've been getting the sense that they are becoming forgetful in the last few weeks.


Nice find....... Its SOOOOO hard to see but it looks like a hot air balloon. I wonder how many other things Ive missed.

[ZIA]

Those nicknames Sawyer gave Hurley were mean...but the way he said them was so funny. He just keeps spitting them out without a thought.

Barbar = the elephant. Some kids books about an elephant. I loved those books. They were great. :D

And why would that guy pay Sayid for what he did for them? I would think that letting him go free would be payment enough.

Jack's short reply of "Shut up" to Locke was kind of annoying. Get with it Jack...you aren't the king of the island.

My thoughts on Locke keep changing. I liked him a lot before, then when he started picking on Charlie, I liked him less. In these last two episodes, he is more likable again. I can't figure him out. He is changing how he acts all the time. What is going on with him?

He said it was bus fare back to Riddyah. Jack was being Jack-He really irritates me.

[Mimi]

Then with Sayid asking Charlie if he was forgetting - makes me wonder if "forgetting" is part of the sickness, or effect of the island (have the Others forgotten who they are and how they got there?). I don't know - it just seemed odd for the show to end on that note, when I've been getting the sense that they are becoming forgetful in the last few weeks.

Very interesting thought. That is a good possibilty. Maybe the sickness is making them all less sharp when it comes to intense or serious situations. I keep wondering why no one is asking questions when they should, and how easily they can forget the really important things.

[Lost=Crack]

Well, I just looked at the chart and I still don't see the feather symbol with the square base on the bottom. I did see the man in the epi. but it was still spinning.
Click on the link then click on the page4 link on the right. Its under U and number 29. Its a little faded but looks acurate.

And if u can go frame by frame do so and right after lock hits enter it pans across his back and onto the numbers its right there where its a full shot of the symbol.

[lostmio]

I've been waiting for somebody to tell that windbag Locke to shut up for some time now, so I quite enjoyed Jack's line.

And how kewl was it that Sayid had to wake Locke up?? I loved the midday nap bit.

[Hodag]

Ok after slowing it down tons more, the 2nd symbol flipped through the foldd cloth, the third symbol, a tree symbol, a heiroglph of a man, and a really creepy drawing of a person, definitely not a heiroglyph

I think it means "child" or "young." (http://members.aol.com/egyptnew/determ.html) I could be wrong though. It'd be cool if someone could screencap it so we could compare.

[Homer Noodleman]

And how kewl was it that Sayid had to wake Locke up?? I loved the midday nap bit.

Plus how groggy he was when he woke up. They really made a point of that small detail.

[jaysmusicman]

I've been waiting for somebody to tell that windbag Locke to shut up for some time now, so I quite enjoyed Jack's line.

Ditto here! loved it when he said shut up to locke! know there are camps for these two, pretty neutral to these guys! i'm on the libby camp! but just had to laugh at that... oh yeah got one question/observation/or just plain being lost...
Were the pliers or something left in the armory with Ballon man?

[Now Am Found]

Saw this on another site:

They could be Australian Heiroglyphics. Here's a site to check out:
www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/article.htm (http://www.ozemail.com.au/%7Eclassblu/egypt/article.htm)

Hopefully someone will figure this out soon!

God Bless America - didn't anyone go to this link posted by ichthusgirl? There is a feather-looking thing on top of a little square here.

I am beginning to detest heiroglyphics. Why does every thread have to have some such irksome theme? ("How did he know his name was Zeke?" / "Oh my gosh, I think Cassidy was the woman in the picture with Desmond!" / the heiroglyphics are SO this thread's irksome theme!)

[Kate is sexy]

About the frog. I think Sawyer suspected that Hurley wanted to eat the frog and not take it away as he said. So he killed for him and told him that rosted taste just like chiken.


Ok maybe not.

[Cees]

I also think that Sawyer finding out about Hurley's "stash"--of all people who could have found out--was to show that Sawyer's got something on everyone now, or will have soon.

[ZIA]

Click on the link then click on the page4 link on the right. Its under U and number 29. Its a little faded but looks acurate.

And if u can go frame by frame do so and right after lock hits enter it pans across his back and onto the numbers its right there where its a full shot of the symbol.

I'll check it out again. Nice work!
Zia

[Miracle_Max]

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jdahling/lost2.jpg

It's a determinative (A2 in Gardiner) used with phrases that are meant to be communicated -- you see it placed on words that are meant to be spoken, thought, or felt empathetically.

[lostmio]

Danielle: Why would she
....................
Overall, nice episode! And those previews looked really good. I can't wait. :D

Danielle and Why? never mix. Sayid 'gets' her in that he knows that she's the one person from whom he'll never get straight answers, so why bother?
Geez, she's a fun character. Reminds me of one of my cats.

Yeah, I liked the episode too.

[lostmio]

Plus how groggy he was when he woke up. They really made a point of that small detail.

Being a geezer, I caught that too!

[beccaboom]

I love Sayid's line of "do I look like I have a bow?" I think it was my only laugh out loud moment this episode.

The symbols on the number counter I think work as a buffer, a safety net so to speak in case the others (beeping, etc.) don't give sufficient warning.

NICE catch, Shiv, on the Henry Gale reference. Are the writers borrowing from pop culture, or is it more?

I was glad to see that Charlie isn't being isolated and ignored by everyone. Though I did find it ironic Sayid asked him if he had forgotten the others' incidents when Charlie was just pretending to be one.

ACTUALLY, I thought after Sayid's confession, Charlie would confess to Sayid. That would have set up an interesting situation.

I think Gale's an other. No doubt in my mind.

and I swear they mention Minnesota in WofOz. I'll have to skim through and watch some of it to check that out.

[Homer Noodleman]

I also think that Sawyer finding out about Hurley's "stash"--of all people who could find out--was to show that Sawyer's got something on everyone now, or will have soon.

Have you ever had somebody who is a complete dick try to tell you something to stick the knife is somebody's else's back? Do you really care, or do you just figure it is a dick talking?

Sawyer's only leverage is the guns -- when he loses control of those he's screwed.

[ScoobMaster]

ok i got that last pic i had, so u should be able to see at least this symbol


http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7962/lostm22cy.png
http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostm22cy.png

[Kate is sexy]

Here is a bigger pic of the counter.

http://i1.tinypic.com/nwjv3a.jpg

[hediondo19]

Henry Gale - I am not as good at picking out background stuff as you guys are, but I could have sworn that when then were picking him up to put him into the armory, there was a picture on the wall. It was at an angle, and perhaps I just wanted it to be so, but it looked like a painting of a field and a hot air balloon. I don't know how to do a screen cap - but I can take a picture of my TV on that frame tomorrow and post it (unless I am tarred & feathered and deemed a crack smoker for thinking I saw such a thing). He didn't say who he was until he could have seen that painting.

i just played it back and your right, theres a painting on the wall as they are carrying him in and you can clearly see the outline of a Hot air balloon on it. Nice find to whoever originally siad what i quoted

[Homer Noodleman]

The painting on the wall is the mural. It is not a mural of a hot air balloon.

[flyingfinokes]

the us soldier speaking iraqi does look like zeke

there does seem to be somebody else hanging in the tree when henry gales is carried off by sayid from the jungle, but sayid walks towards it and notices nothing so i'm thinking it's probably a mistake or our imagination.

i believe that it's a stretch to say that the pic on the wall is that of a balloon.

but i really loved this episode...

finokes

[LostfanforLife]

As always, loved the episode. But how awful to see Sawyer kill the tree frog. For a minute I thought maybe it was poisonous and would affect him somehow, then got to wondering whether he was going to keep it. But after everything else he has done, this really is the first thing that put me off his character.

I agree, there is a mention of Minnesota in Wizard of Oz. Could swear that is where the Wiz says he is originally from, or where he was a professor before starting his ballooning. .

Also, yes, I think they did leave the pliers in the armory with "Uncle Henry". Hmmm, could be interesting. Of course he will escape, because we couldn't possibly be given answers this early! lol

As usual, TPTB have my head spinning with possibilities, will have to go watch some more before comparing this episode with my theories.

Dona:hypnotize

[Lost=Crack]

The painting on the wall is the mural. It is not a mural of a hot air balloon.

What mural?? During the shot where you can see lock jack and sayid all picking up gale and holding him in the air look on the wall to the left of them almost parallel to Gale's feet. I dont know what mural u are refering to. There is most certainly a hot air balloon in that picture.

[Now Am Found]

The painting on the wall is the mural. It is not a mural of a hot air balloon.

I'm not talking about the mural - there is a framed painting on the wall opposite the weight bench.

Here's a sucky picture I took of my TV paused at the point I mean (and a bonus picture of Jack's big butt).

Someone who can do screencaps will have to find a better image, if this means anything - presumably just Mr. Gale is lying, he's a Wizard of Oz fan, and knows (or knows how to lie) about the workings of a hot air balloon.

[Kuwanki]

Henry is definitely a phoney. He said he became rich by selling his company in Minnesota. What did the company do? It Mined non-metallic minerals. What non-metallic minerals are mined in Minnesota? Abrasives, like for sand-paper, as a matter of fact. Sound familiar? Like Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing? Henry made a fortune selling 3M? i hardly think so! Jennifer Murphy (his wife) is a senior chemist at 3M, BTW. Google Henry Gale and you come up with a physicist at University of Michigan, as well as the Wizard of Oz. His description of his hot air balloon sounds exactly like the one that Per Linstrund and Richard Branson used to cross the Pacific in 1991. His 'ADF radio Beacon' similarly is baloney. ADF stand for Automatic Direction Finder. It's basically an instrument used in OLD aircraft to home in on a radio transmission. It's the thing in the airplane that searches for the signal, NOT the thing on the ground that SENDS the signal (!). The thing on the ground is called an ELT (Emergency Locating Transmitter) and he for crissakes should have KNOWN that. Oh, and by the way he wasn't wearing a wedding ring. Perhaps it fell off while he was burying his wife.

[radiohead]

from the multiplying heiroglyphs threads

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/Alyson3783/hieroglyphs.jpg

it is translated as a causitive phrase meaning "cause to die" i.e. KILL

[ScoobMaster]

wowsers

[locke432]

from the multiplying heiroglyphs threads

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/Alyson3783/hieroglyphs.jpg

it is translated as a causitive phrase meaning "cause to die" i.e. KILL

Nice find Radiohead!!

[Choppin Broccoli]

Did anyone else check out the text at the bottom of the videotape? I did, and here's what I was able to get:

Something to the effect of "Property of DIA" followed by "Reel 23108-42"

OK, the numbers are easy. 23 and 42 and 108. We all know what those are.

It occurred to me that "DIA" was a strange acronym to be on a military tape, because if it's military, it's government property, and government acronyms usually have Os in the middle of them. It's usually D.O.something, as in Department Of something.

So I believe the D and the I stand for "Dharma Initiative," but I can't think of what the A could stand for.

I also have to give myself a pat on the back for recognizing Kate's step-dad before he was identified. When he was sitting in the room with Sayid, trying to get him to interrogate that other Iraqi, I asked my wife, "Who was the guy in the military? Was it Kate's step-father? That guy kind of looks like him, doesn't he?"

Also, I'm sure I've seen that guy who claims his name is Henry Gale, but I can't for the life of me remember where. To the best of my recollection, he was either in the police station with Boone and Sawyer, or he was seen in one of the pictures they've shown, or SOMEPLACE. I'm virtually certain I've seen that face before, probably in Season 1. Time to get out the Season 1 DVDs.

[WASTE]

DIA stands for Defense Intelligence Agency.

[Amelia Earhart]

Henry Gale had a look in his eyes ,the same look Hannibal Lecter had when he saw that Dr Chilton accidently left his pen in his cage.Sayid accidently left DR Jack's :no-no::no-no: :boxedin: :mad: pliers in the torture shack.!!!!!!! :thwak: Hannibal did wonders with that pen. What is OLE HENRY gonna do with them PLIERS ??????????

[Phirun]

Radiohead:You get my official "Good Find:Great Taste In Music Edition" award. Wear it proudly:Cheers:

[radiohead]

as much as i would love your congrats here is the original find

http://forums.go.com/abc/oceanic/message?messageID=10372934
member "one hundred eight"

i'll take the great taste in music award tho. PROUDLY. you can have my great taste in games award, if i remember correctly that was the colossus whose sword breaks when you dogde from the platform?

[Phirun]

Well you could just lie....;)


Thanks for the Award.

[magnoliasouth]

Was it just me, or was there a pause when Mr. Gale was asked about his wife's sickness? I'm sure that the man is not who he says he is, but I wonder what the point was about the sickness?

I mean, let's say he was one of the others. Why didn't he just say that HE was the one in the balloon? Why add another fake person? He didn't need to.

I'm wondering if maybe he was wanting to tell Sayid about the sickness. Although that doesn't explain the pause. I just don't know what to think about it. Did anyone else notice it? Or I'm just looking too much into nothing?

[*Saint*]

Wow. I mean. Wow. This episode started off slow and then just took off. I mean, it's leading up into a really fantastic and fascinating direction. Thanks, Radiohead, for finding the link to the hyroglyph thread. I recognized the symbols and couldn't place them immediately...

I believe Henry Gale is totally an Other. Any ideas on an acronym for his name???

And btw, wasn't the Dharma Iniative from the UNIVERSITY of MINNESOTA??

Did Sayid ever see the tape? Would he make that connection???

:Cheers: I can't WAIT for next week!

[*Saint*]

I'm wondering if maybe he was wanting to tell Sayid about the sickness. Although that doesn't explain the pause. I just don't know what to think about it. Did anyone else notice it? Or I'm just looking too much into nothing?

That struck me as odd, too. But it reminded me about how Danielle first told Sayid about her crew and the sickness. It was a month or two before they got sick...and by the time they got sick they were already "lost" so she killed him. He said his "wife" was "delirious." Delirious=Lost? Does that Equal the reason for the 'Quarantine?"

Hmmm....:confused: :confused:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The more I try to immerse myself in the world of LOST, the more it tries to discourage me.

The 8 pages of netspeak chit-chat that goes on during the show is some of the most banal stuff I've ever seen spewed on the internet and I've been around.

I just recently got into podcasts and find out The Transmission went tits up. So I check out a couple of Official ABC podcasts with Lindelof and Cuse. They sound like a couple of arrogant kids who are smugly sitting on a secret that they think will change the world. Something about the tone of their voices makes me think they're winging it.

Maybe I'm in a bad mood, so take me with a grain of salt.

This episode was like visiting a prostitute who won't let you finish.

There were a few good moments: That very last look by the Other to Sayid as the door was being shut. There was a glimpse of 'gotcha,' of silent knowledge and understanding.

When Sayid introduced himself to the Other, he dropped his voice a little bit. It was a good bit of voice work by Naveen Andrews.

If there was other good stuff in this episode, please let me know. The CGI backdrops of the Kuwaiti desert were distracting, but that's for nitpickers. At least Clancy Brown was decent, I've always liked him as an actor.

[flyingfinokes]

kuwanki, gale says he's from minnesota, but never mentions that his company was based in minnesota

radionhead, thanks for the awesome find with the hyro...

finokes

[WASTE]

Was it just me, or was there a pause when Mr. Gale was asked about his wife's sickness? I'm sure that the man is not who he says he is, but I wonder what the point was about the sickness?

I mean, let's say he was one of the others. Why didn't he just say that HE was the one in the balloon? Why add another fake person? He didn't need to.

I'm wondering if maybe he was wanting to tell Sayid about the sickness. Although that doesn't explain the pause. I just don't know what to think about it. Did anyone else notice it? Or I'm just looking too much into nothing?

I'm guessing he blurted it out because he got shot through the arm with an arrow and was locked in a room with a torturer. He was trying to think of a lie fast. Besides, I think he would have messed up his story even more if he said he went alone. People don't fly across the Pacific by themselves.

[radiohead]

Wow. I mean. Wow. This episode started off slow and then just took off. I mean, it's leading up into a really fantastic and fascinating direction. Thanks, Radiohead, for finding the link to the hyroglyph thread. I recognized the symbols and couldn't place them immediately...

I believe Henry Gale is totally an Other. Any ideas on an acronym for his name???

And btw, wasn't the Dharma Iniative from the UNIVERSITY of MINNESOTA??

Did Sayid ever see the tape? Would he make that connection???

:Cheers: I can't WAIT for next week!

glad to find other people's hard work haha.

the DeGroots are from my alma mater. University of Michigan. Go Blue. We have a flag on the moon and we have our own mystery island.

[Phirun]

A saint- I punched into the Anagram machine but nothing relevant came up http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=henry+gale

[Kate is sexy]

Was it just me, or was there a pause when Mr. Gale was asked about his wife's sickness? I'm sure that the man is not who he says he is, but I wonder what the point was about the sickness?

I mean, let's say he was one of the others. Why didn't he just say that HE was the one in the balloon? Why add another fake person? He didn't need to.

He probably added his dead wife so people would have sympathy for him.

[melissa]

Henry Gale - I am not as good at picking out background stuff as you guys are, but I could have sworn that when then were picking him up to put him into the armory, there was a picture on the wall. It was at an angle, and perhaps I just wanted it to be so, but it looked like a painting of a field and a hot air balloon. I don't know how to do a screen cap - but I can take a picture of my TV on that frame tomorrow and post it (unless I am tarred & feathered and deemed a crack smoker for thinking I saw such a thing). He didn't say who he was until he could have seen that painting.

They really need Grissom to land on the island to catch all of these literary references. He would've pegged Henry Gale from the start.


Secondly - in the last few episodes I've gotten the sense that people are forgetting things. Not major things - but little annoying things, like when Libby mentioned to Hurley about seeing him on the flight, and he said, "what flight?" Hurley was the one seemingly the most forgetful, without it being made a big deal. Then with Sayid asking Charlie if he was forgetting - makes me wonder if "forgetting" is part of the sickness, or effect of the island (have the Others forgotten who they are and how they got there?). I don't know - it just seemed odd for the show to end on that note, when I've been getting the sense that they are becoming forgetful in the last few weeks.


I, for one, would love to see a pic of this.

[*Saint*]

Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle from Wizard of Oz. The professor (the wizard) came to Oz in a hot air balloon. I believe he claimed to be from Minnesota. This guy is completely full of crap.


HOLY EFFIN MYLANTA! Savid, what an Amazing catch! That flew by me!

Totally proves he is an OTHER, though I knew it anyway. Wow.

Just, wow. :Cowdance:

[minnesotaadvocate]

Posted by salem2005:
For those who say “nothing happened” when the clock struck zero and the numbers turned to symbols…don’t be so sure that “nothing happened” – I believe something did happen…we just don’t know what yet. Those symbols meant something happened. Perhaps another incident has begun?
Something DID happen! Didn't you all hear all those clanking and whirring noises, sounding like heavy metal machinery in motion? To me, it sounded like huge metal doors were about to slam shut, sealing them all in! (And keeping everything else out.) Maybe to keep everyone else out if something was to happen to the original occupants, to keep the hatch secret?


Posted by flyingfinokes:
the us soldier speaking iraqi does look like zeke
I didn't notice any physical resemblance, and the listed actors are different (according to earlier posts on this thread). But their voices sounded very similar to me! It probably was just their accents sounding alike to me.


Posted by DreaminLost:
The seriously creepy look Gale gave when Jack pulled Sayid off him said it all. He definately is an Other. Ethan said he was from Canada; Minnesota isn't that far off... Maybe something about frozen hell?
From someone who lives in frozen hell - you may have something there! LOL
I'm pretty sure the Wizard of Oz took off from Nebraska, but I can't say there wasn't a reference to Minnesota in the book/movie. I'm sure someone here will be bored enough to look it up eventually.

[DuchsLove]

I'm wondering if maybe he was wanting to tell Sayid about the sickness. Although that doesn't explain the pause. I just don't know what to think about it. Did anyone else notice it? Or I'm just looking too much into nothing?

If Henry really is an other, remember that the others seem to know everything about those stranded on the island. Therefore he would already know about the relationship between Sayid and Shannon and her demise. He may have been using the story about his wife to try to get on Sayid's "good side"....remember how quickly he jumped on it when he sensed that Sayid had a loss too. Seemed all too eager to find some sort of comraderie there.

[lostmio]

Probably not worth the bother in this thread, but I'll give it a try:

OZ, as in Wizard of, is a widely-used buzzword for Australia.
Yanks and Aussies both use it.

[*Saint*]

If Henry really is an other, remember that the others seem to know everything about those stranded on the island. Therefore he would already know about the relationship between Sayid and Shannon and her demise. He may have been using the story about his wife to try to get on Sayid's "good side"....remember how quickly he jumped on it when he sensed that Sayid had a loss too. Seemed all too eager to find some sort of comraderie there.


...either that or to find his weakness...:D

[magnoliasouth]

I'm guessing he blurted it out because he got shot through the arm with an arrow and was locked in a room with a torturer. He was trying to think of a lie fast. Besides, I think he would have messed up his story even more if he said he went alone. People don't fly across the Pacific by themselves.

I don't know. I've heard of attempted treks like that so it wouldn't surprise me in the least. You have a good point though about the lie thing. The others know that our folks have heard about the sickness, don't they? If so, it would lend him some credibility... or so he might think.

However, what I was thinking to begin with was that the others might be trying to instill fear in them about the sickness OR find out if any of them are sick. Haven't they asked? I can't seem remember right off hand.

Goodness. This show just boggles my brain! :)

[DuchsLove]

...either that or to find his weakness...:D

Totally agree.


I'm trying to look up info on the Wizard of Oz professor, but not finding much specifics.

[*Saint*]

I'm trying to look up info on the Wizard of Oz professor, but not finding much specifics.

Just look for the script of the movie online. I'm sure there is one...

[Doletrain]

I'm not talking about the mural - there is a framed painting on the wall opposite the weight bench.

Here's a sucky picture I took of my TV paused at the point I mean (and a bonus picture of Jack's big butt).

Someone who can do screencaps will have to find a better image, if this means anything - presumably just Mr. Gale is lying, he's a Wizard of Oz fan, and knows (or knows how to lie) about the workings of a hot air balloon.
It is hard to tell if that framed pic is a hot air balloon or not (is that the yellow brick road leading up to it haa haa)... atleast from your pic. Maybe someone will post a screencap. If it is true, I'm most impressed! How the hell did you catch that? I almost want it to be true ...... it would remind me of the scene from The Usual Suspects where Kevin Spacey's character makes up his whole story by using objects in the room (in this case, it would be a picture of the hot air balloon) to get away.

[magnoliasouth]

That struck me as odd, too. But it reminded me about how Danielle first told Sayid about her crew and the sickness. It was a month or two before they got sick...and by the time they got sick they were already "lost" so she killed him. He said his "wife" was "delirious." Delirious=Lost? Does that Equal the reason for the 'Quarantine?"

Hmmm....:confused: :confused:

Oh yeah. Well there is a definite correlation to that. It's just odd though because he clearly IS NOT who he says he is. So why mention the sickness? That's what I'm so obsessive about. :p

[magnoliasouth]

If Henry really is an other, remember that the others seem to know everything about those stranded on the island. Therefore he would already know about the relationship between Sayid and Shannon and her demise. He may have been using the story about his wife to try to get on Sayid's "good side"....remember how quickly he jumped on it when he sensed that Sayid had a loss too. Seemed all too eager to find some sort of comraderie there.

That is a great point! He keyed in on Sayid losing someone too. Although, Sayid was pretty much putting it in his face, but still....

It just still seems odd to me. If he was lying, he'd know they'd want to see her body. Of course, if they killed a woman in the recent past, he could produce one. Otherwise, Sayid could call him on it.

:ImLost: