Making sense of Henry Gale

[Zeek]

So, what do we know about this guy?

Sayid thinks he's an other. We have plenty of reasons to agree with him, but would it be too obvious?

He was captured in one of Danielle's traps. If we assume she told the truth that she's only heard the others whisper in the woods, then they've avoided her traps for 16 years potentially. Also how did she know so quickly that he was an other and that he would lie for a long time?

He sure didn't fit his own description of himself. He looked pretty clean shaven for 4 months on an island. He wasn't wearing heavy clothing like I would expect for someone in a hot air balloon. (I assume it gets pretty cold up there). He didn't have any food or water with him on his 2 day journey from his beach.

He tried to run away as soon as he was cut down from the trap. Is that the way an innocent person would react in this situation? I would think he'd cling to the guy with a gun who was being nice to him.

Obviously everyone has noticed the references to the wizard of oz. So, we have to assume his name is at the very least an alias, but then what about his balloon story. Is that all a lie? Is there any excuse for it if he isn't an other?

Possibilities:

This guy is working with Danielle against the losties for some reason. Wouldn't make too much sense though as she sent him off to be tortured by Sayid.

Did we just meet Kelvin? We don't know how Kelvin died. Whether Desmond saw him die or not. Whether Desmond burried him. I've only watched the episode once, but did anyone get any read on his face when the armory was opened and the alarm was going off? If he looks scared out of his mind that could be a clue.

He is an other and for some reason they wanted to get him into the hatch or the losties camp. This is possible, but it seems like they are taking one heck of a risk if that's their plan. Unless they just don't care about their own lives.

He's not an other because that just seems too obvious. Personally I get the feeling that this is the correct one, but then I keep pushing that feeling away because the writers haven't done anything like this so far in season 2. In season 2 it's been "I'm going to club you over the head with the simplest most direct information I can." and then we go off and try to make it cooler than it is only to be repeatedly let down that nothing interesting at all was going on.

He is an other and just got caught. This one is probably what we'll really find out when the dissapointment sets in. Sadly I can't think of anything cool to go with if this is the case.

So, continue with speculation and ideas. Hopefully we can all come up with something cool during the couple weeks before the next new episode.

[Hodgepodge]

So, what do we know about this guy?

Sayid thinks he's an other. We have plenty of reasons to agree with him, but would it be too obvious?

He was captured in one of Danielle's traps. If we assume she told the truth that she's only heard the others whisper in the woods, then they've avoided her traps for 16 years potentially. Also how did she know so quickly that he was an other and that he would lie for a long time?...This is what struck me rather strangely. Danielle has been stuck on the island for 16 years, and this is the first person she's seen. That is, other than our survivors. Also, take into consideration the comment made by Capt. Gorton in The Hunting Party. Michael could be standing on top of Zeke and his crew, and wouldn't know it.

So, why now? Why would the "Others" want to infiltrate the Losties? Remember, Zeke told Locke, they know a whole lot about them already. Plus, why would the "Others" use a go-between to get to the 815s? How did he know, Danielle wouldn't just shoot this guy, and let him rot in the tree?

What I'm trying to say is! I think the guy was telling the truth. As you mention yourself, it would be to obvious any other way.

[Homer Noodleman]

I too am suspicious of him being an Other. TPTB seemed to be trying mighty hard to make him look like one, which is a pretty good reason to think something else is going on.

Guys, when has Danielle ever told the same story twice? She's been telling lies since day one. Me thinks they would be better off tossing her into the armory and jamming bamboo under her fingernails.

[I_Took_Walt]

Sayid should have checked his hair. Filthy with bugs in it: 4 mos. stranded on the island. Clean: probably shampooing in another bunker.

Also, he might have checked his fingernails. Jagged and bitten down: 4 mos. stranded on the island. Neatly clipped: getting a manicure in another bunker.

Also, if review of his gums showed he'd been flossing recently ... well, you know where this is going.

Finally, if he really wanted to torture Gale into talking, he simply could have locked Michelle Rodriguez in the armory with him. That would have been far more effective than pulling out Gale's toenails with pliers or any of the other vastly more pleasurable activities implied to be going on.

[TheBigCat]

That would have been far more effective than pulling out Gale's toenails with pliers

Are you sure it was toenails? I thought he was going to pull something else out.

[Hodgepodge]

Are you sure it was toenails? I thought he was going to pull something else out.*crosses legs in horror*Ouch TBC! :eye-poppi

[azteclady]

Wow...! I thought I had left naïveté behind a long time ago.

Hee I was thinking that Sayid was planning on pulling Gale's teeth out. See how wrong can innocence make you? :p

edited to add: dammit, PhantomPhase! why do you have to sneak before me? :mad:

[Zeek]

hmmmm adding to my own thoughts here. I guess I didn't really give Danielle credit for existing in the time period since Sayid and her first met and the capturing of Henry.

Perhaps since then Danielle has taken a crash course on Other identification. I say this because many people think she had something to do with helping Claire get away from Ethan. If Ethan was an other, maybe Danielle did a little Ethan toturing herself. Figured out how long he would lie and such. She did torture Sayid a bit.

[Hodgepodge]

...I say this because many people think she had something to do with helping Claire get away from Ethan. If Ethan was an other, maybe Danielle did a little Ethan toturing herself. Figured out how long he would lie and such. She did torture Sayid a bit.I'm one of those who think she helped Claire. But why wouldn't she own up to it? Why wouldn't that be a badge of honor for Danielle? Something she could take to the Losties with pride and humility?

[Zeek]

I tend to give Danielle a very wide margin of error when it comes to acting like a normal person. Being alone for 16 years is enough to put anyone over the edge IMO. So, I'm not so surprised she doesn't express her thoughts normally. I mean when you haven't told anyone about things that have happened to you for 16 years you probably forget that you're supposed to. Plus who wouldn't think they're crazy after being on this island. She's probably seen smokie, polar bears, horses and who knows what else. She already said she hears whispers. She probably questions her own experiences and memories.

[azteclady]

Zeek, excelent idea! If Danielle had indeed tortured Ethan while liberating Claire, she would have learned at least something about those she calls the Others.

Now, I believe she rescued Claire with the intention of keeping her prisoner until the baby's birth and then trying her 'a baby for a baby' scheme. The same one she tried to pull of during Exodus. That would certainly explain why she didn't blurt her part on Claire's escape to the 815s from the beginning.

Only Claire got away earlier than that, but the fact that Claire's memories were gone could owe something to Danielle having used on her, Claire, some of the same drugs she gave Sayid.

[Hodgepodge]

...Now, I believe she rescued Claire with the intention of keeping her prisoner until the baby's birth and then trying her 'a baby for a baby' scheme. The same one she tried to pull of during Exodus. That would certainly explain why she didn't blurt her part on Claire's escape to the 815s from the beginning.

Only Claire got away earlier than that, but the fact that Claire's memories were gone could owe something to Danielle having used on her, Claire, some of the same drugs she gave Sayid.I can buy this AZ! It makes perfect sense. And we know she's adept at using drugs for her purposes.



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That certainly leads to our next new episode. The previews of Kate and Claire traipsing through the jungle looked intense.

[DohBoy]

I was considering that maybe Henry Gale meant to get caught by Jack & Co. The Others would know that the Losties are still naive enough to possibly fall for Gale's story; and that Gale wouldn't be harmed with a big softie like Jack in charge. The perfect way for Gorton's crew to gather intelligence, after Ethan.

By the way, that Gale's a little too clean shaven for being 4 years on a deserted island. You'd think a guy living close to the beach with his wife would have investigated a plane crash and giant fire on the beach in hopes of being rescued, or at least of finding other civilized life.

[Hodgepodge]

I was considering that maybe Henry Gale meant to get caught by Jack & Co. The Others would know that the Losties are still naive enough to possibly fall for Gale's story; and that Gale wouldn't be harmed with a big softie like Jack in charge. The perfect way for Gorton's crew to gather intelligence, after Ethan.

By the way, that Gale's a little too clean shaven for being 4 years on a deserted island. You'd think a guy living close to the beach with his wife would have investigated a plane crash and giant fire on the beach in hopes of being rescued, or at least of finding other civilized life.I could buy this DohBoy! Except, how do you convince a person, there's a chance you're going to be tortured? Have your fingernails pulled out. Have your testicles smashed. Have your face turned into mush. I know I wouldn't step forward! I wouldn't raise my hand!

And, if I'm not mistaken. Henry said he and his wife landed/crashed on the island 4 months ago. Not 4 years!

[clayseason1]

He was captured in one of Danielle's traps. If we assume she told the truth that she's only heard the others whisper in the woods, then they've avoided her traps for 16 years potentially. Also how did she know so quickly that he was an other and that he would lie for a long time?
Danielle thinks that the sickness results in a person becoming an "other" (as do I). Danielle has first hand experience with the symptoms in dealing with her own crew that became "sick". Remember she told Sayid to watch the other survivors closely. This means that a casual observer would not be able to discern the effects of the sickness.

[Zeek]

I agree with DohBoy that you'd think he would have seen the plane crash and investigate it. Even if he didn't see the crash all the smoke would have been obvious, unless he was behind a mountain or something.


Just came up with another idea for this Henry Gale guy. Someone posted that the first official lost site in australlia has a poll about who the fans think will get the sickness first. Perhaps they sent Henry Gale to get captured because they wanted to infect the losties. Which then brings Danielle into question. She put the suggestion in Sayid's head to torture this man. If Henry had just wandered into camp it's far less likely the man would have ended up being tortured. So maybe Danielle wanted Sayid to beat the man up and have his blood infected. That or the others knew enough about Danielle and Sayid to know what would happen if they had Henry get caught in one of her traps. Heck of a sacrifice on his part though, considering he knew he would be tortured. Unless they have a plan for rescuing him, I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed by the losties.

[Hodgepodge]

...Just came up with another idea for this Henry Gale guy. Someone posted that the first official lost site in australlia has a poll about who the fans think will get the sickness first. Perhaps they sent Henry Gale to get captured because they wanted to infect the losties. Which then brings Danielle into question. She put the suggestion in Sayid's head to torture this man. If Henry had just wandered into camp it's far less likely the man would have ended up being tortured. So maybe Danielle wanted Sayid to beat the man up and have his blood infected. That or the others knew enough about Danielle and Sayid to know what would happen if they had Henry get caught in one of her traps. Heck of a sacrifice on his part though, considering he knew he would be tortured. Unless they have a plan for rescuing him, I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed by the losties.I'm actually taking Capt. Gorton at his word. 'You don't bother us, we won't bother you.' They know more about the island's goings on, I would assume they'd be able to take out the 815s one-by-one if they wanted to do them harm.

I don't think there's a reason to infiltrate the survivors with Henry. As I mention in another thread, I think Zeek already has a plant within the Losties. He's aware of to much going on with the survivors. I'm sure names aren't the only thing.

I'm trying to remember whether Danielle is aware of Sayid's stock in trade? And I don't think she does! So, she wouldn't have any reason to solicit him, other than she trusts him.

[Homer Noodleman]

I don't think there's a reason to infiltrate the survivors with Henry. As I mention in another thread, I think Zeek already has a plant within the Losties. He's aware of to much going on with the survivors. I'm sure names aren't the only thing.

Arghhh... does nobody but me remember Zeke took Walt? That's likely where he got his information about the 815ers from.

I believe that line not to be crossed applies to Zeke and his crew as much as the castaways. He wants to get no where near the Dark Territories for whatever reason.

[Hodgepodge]

Arghhh... does nobody but me remember Zeke took Walt? That's likely where he got his information about the 815ers from.

I believe that line not to be crossed applies to Zeke and his crew as much as the castaways. He wants to get no where near the Dark Territories for whatever reason.OK, so I'm a dunce Homer! :dunce: I totally forgot about Walt. But, I think there's someone else that reports to that varmint Zeek.

[Zeek]

I'm trying to remember whether Danielle is aware of Sayid's stock in trade? And I don't think she does! So, she wouldn't have any reason to solicit him, other than she trusts him.
I don't have any specific memory of the episode where they meet. I'm not sure I even watched it more than once. Though I though she asked him what he was doing out there or something and he explained that he had done something he swore he'd never do again and he was trying to come to terms with it. Something like that. So, I don't know if he ever explained it was torture or not. He very well could have mentioned it though.

[Homer Noodleman]

I think there's someone else that reports to that varmint Zeek.

Hey now -- no call to be calling Danielle's future sweetie a varmint. http://jazzopolis.com/pix/mad.gif

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[Zeek]

I'm still trying to think of a way for this guy to not be evil. I mean I just can't come up with a good reason to lie if he's good. The only reason I could think of for him to be making all this up is that he's trying to protect someone. What if he's a father who was traveling with his family? Maybe he was out gathering food for his kids when he got caught. He have already encountered the others and assumes Danielle and Sayid are part of their group.

It would make sense then that he wants to lie to protect his children. He would have to be someone with interrogation skills though. Cause I'd be amazed that he wouldn't give away who he thinks Sayid is when Sayid asks him about being one of the others. i.e. "wait...you're not a part of their group?"

That's the best reason I can come up for an innocent guy to lie like he is. Still doesn't account for the creepy look he gives Sayid after Jack gets in to save Henry.

[Hodgepodge]

...What if he's a father who was traveling with his family? Maybe he was out gathering food for his kids when he got caught. He have already encountered the others and assumes Danielle and Sayid are part of their group.

It would make sense then that he wants to lie to protect his children. He would have to be someone with interrogation skills though. Cause I'd be amazed that he wouldn't give away who he thinks Sayid is when Sayid asks him about being one of the others. i.e. "wait...you're not a part of their group?"

That's the best reason I can come up for an innocent guy to lie like he is. Still doesn't account for the creepy look he gives Sayid after Jack gets in to save Henry.I agree it's so obvious he's an "Other"! It's so obvious, I don't buy it!

I can't imagine the Losties letting this guy go, so if he was part of family unit, they're screwed. He would've come clean by now. But I can't believe he'd take children on such a trip in a balloon. That seems very dangerous. Look what he said happened to his wife.

Now, I'll give you that intense look he gave Sayid. That was scary! But I've seen this guy in several other things, and he's a good actor.

[Zeek]

I agree it's so obvious he's an "Other"! It's so obvious, I don't buy it!

I can't imagine the Losties letting this guy go, so if he was part of family unit, they're screwed. He would've come clean by now. But I can't believe he'd take children on such a trip in a balloon. That seems very dangerous. Look what he said happened to his wife.

Now, I'll give you that intense look he gave Sayid. That was scary! But I've seen this guy in several other things, and he's a good actor.
Yeah bringing kids would be a bad idea. Unless he was totally lying about how he got there. Maybe they were in a plane too. Though I can't see anyone coming up with such a terrible lie. It's like saying he was riding on a giant paper airplane. It's pretty off the wall when almost anyone else would say a plane or boat.

So, how about this. What if his wife isn't dead. Maybe she is sick like he said. That could get someone up and moving out of a cave. They could have been fine in the cave for a while, but now she's getting sick and he needs to find help quick. Don't know what exactly he'd be looking for though. Also, it seems like he would be quick to ask the losties for help. Not be all worried about who they are and start lying. *&^#$ I just can't come up with a good reason to lie if he's not evil. I also can't for a second believe that he's telling the truth. The name and balloon alone are reason enough to believe he's a total liar.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Homer:
I believe that line not to be crossed applies to Zeke and his crew as much as the castaways. He wants to get no where near the Dark Territories for whatever reason.

First of all, I want to thank Hodge for directing me to this thread. I had not seen it before or maybe just skipped its beaten path, so to speak. On that note, after reading the posts here, Homer's quote above is the first thing that struck me. The Dark Territories. That hasn't been talked about since the middle of S1 and nothing since. Why is that? Wasn't the Black Rock in or around the Dark Territories? I was under the impression that Capt. Zeke and his henchmen resided in this part of the island. But if this is the case, IMO, then the stobor is lurking around there as well.

I am jumping around a little bit here, but need to get back to the point at hand. Gale, Henry. Yes, TPTB have thrown us some fastballs as well as some slippery curveballs so far this season. Case in point- Hurley and not losing weight, then showing us why he wasn't losing weight by hording food. Now we all came to the boards and posted "Why is Hurley not losing weight" and then it is answered. The same thing is going to come about with Gale and his "story". I do think that Gale is being set up on a display case right now to be analyzed as an other, survivor of a balloon crash, or someone else. Now as long as Charlie doesn't get involved again and decide to waste him, maybe we will find out who Gale really is and if his story is true. It is obvious to me the TPTB make Gale out to be shifty, and I do think he is an other right now. But all that aside, some things are left open to interpretation still.
Why hasn't Gale asked about the hatch? Why hasn't he asked how the Losties got to the island? Why didn't he ask about Danielle?
With that said, here is the opposite side of Gale, the Losties side. Sayid knows how to retrieve info from people, and in his mind he knows that Gale is lying. About what, we don't know. The man has no eyebrows for criminy. Well groomed, but so was Goodwin. Orange polo, but the other clothes are drab and label-less. Some people on the board think they have found a swan or a 2 carved in the back of Gale's head..and that he may be part of the Dharma Initiative. Let's suppose that Gale is part of Dharma or part of Zeke's gang. Henry is taking a rather painful measure to infiltrate the Losties camp. Remember the look on Gale's face when Sayid told him that he is a torturer? Gale didn't bet on this and is scared. But at the time the alarm goes on and Jack comes in to pull Sayid away, Gale gives the smirk to Sayid. Flip-flop?
Gale could be very good at lying or not very bright. He remembers all the facts about his balloon but can't remember how deep he buried his wife. Plausible, but he has been on the island for four months. Gale hasn't been playing a coupla rounds of golf with the Losties so IMO Gale would have nothing better to do than remember certain aspects of his wife's burial.
I know, I know. Long post and I am flip-flopping around like a fish Jin caught for Hurley. I am just trying to bring out some points that have caught my glances.

Red herrings are plenty in Lost as there are Apollo bars in Hurley's satchel, and I am waiting to see how Gale is going to be perceived within the camp. I first thought Gale was an other, now I think that he may be someone else. The one thing though that makes me lean towards Gale being an other is the last shot of him smirking at Sayid. If I was beaten down like that, I don't think I would have given Sayid that look myself.
I got some more to explore but for now, the wind is knocked out of me.

[Hodgepodge]

Juan, don't worry about jumping around in your posts. You can tell, you've been thinking about this for bit. Sometimes it just comes pouring out. We see where you're headed. ;)

My posts in this thread have all been from my gut. As as opposed to being intellectualized. It's so obvious Henry's an "Others", it's probably a red-herring. Well, thanks to you and a couple of more people in the thread, now I've got to take a closer look.

Right out of the box, you bring up some good points. I can't remember, but did Henry ever loose consciousness during his transport back to camp? Even when Jack removed the arrow, I think he was awake. He makes a veil attempt to ask, "where am I?", when Sayid brings Locke to see they're prize. But you're right! Nothing else. Not a, 'who are you guys?' 'How did you people get here?' 'Who was that crazy lady who shot me?' Like you, I'm going to hold off my interputation of this until I view this next episode. We have to remember island time isn't the same as our time.

I'll give you the guy looks shifty. Swarmy! But your eyes are better than mine. I didn't notice his clothes didn't have labels. You got any screencaps?

I also need some help with the idea he would measure the depth he buried his wife. There would probably be a lot of tears involved. Is this deep enough? Measuring the depth probably wouldn't be uppermost in his mind. Now knowing the dimensions of the balloon makes perfect sense to me. If I was planning such a trip, I'd want to know everything about my mode of transportation. If he's telling the truth, he's probably been planning this trip for years.

For the time being, I'm still going with Henry Gale being benign. Now, that could change once we seen if he asks or answers anymore questions.


ETA: Juan, I plan on commiting on the other aspects of your post. Dark Territory, Black Rock, et al. I'll find a place and provide a link.

[juanbong]

While I am at work, there is only so much I can do. However, the latest podcast gives some insight about what TPTB are doing with Henry Gale's character. Nothing spoilerish about it. Damon and Carlton just talk about story arc and what the Losties consider what justice and leadership is among the survivors. It is real short as well, compared to the other podcasts. Here is the link.

http://www.tv.com/audio/podcasts/tvfeatures_022406_lost.mp3


I will delve into more on the whole Henry Gale debacle later tonight when I get home, and hopefully have some screencaps on the stuff I am/did point(ing) out.
On a lighter note, Sayid does carry Henry to the hatch and it looks as if he passed out for the time being. I will get back on this though.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

The only reason I can think of that the deliverence crew would want a spy would be to see how the castaways are using the hatch. Even if they already have a spy (like someone upthread mentioned) it might be one of the redshirts. And we know they aren't allowed near Jackass's precious hatch. Could be the last few reports to Capt G were like:
''So.. what are they doing in the hatch?''
''What hatch?''
The hatch they found that has the computer.''
''I dunno man, no one told me about no hatch.''
''Well. get in there and get me some answers!!''
weeks later..........
''So?? What did you find out?''
''Those sumsabeotches won't let me within 500 yards of that hatch!! I can't get you any info!''
''DRAT!! ..Hey Gale, get over here. We have a mission for you................''

I think the fact that Gale withstood Sayid's beating with narry a scratch, his lack of questioning his surroundings, and his ''look'' at the end of his smackdown proves that he is indeed an other. For the writers to go in any other direction with it, will not compute. If 6 weeks from now they show Gale burying his wife in a flashback, I will call foul because they have written themselves into a corner with Gale's charactor. Any way they try to redeem him, will be fake and rewriting history.

[Hodgepodge]

The only reason I can think of that the deliverence crew would want a spy would be to see how the castaways are using the hatch. Even if they already have a spy (like someone upthread mentioned) it might be one of the redshirts. And we know they aren't allowed near Jackass's precious hatch...Nokomis, I thought Locke assigned everybody button duty? Everyone has a watch inside the "hatch" to insert the numbers and push the button.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Nokomis, I thought Locke assigned everybody button duty? Everyone has a watch inside the "hatch" to insert the numbers and push the button.
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I thought Locke only assigned button duty to those he ''trusted'' with it....
ie: the main cast.

Jack seems to get quite annoyed with the thought that anyone and everyone might stroll in there. (think Rose showing up with Hurley) Cause gosh, they might be worried if they knew what was going on in there like it's a big secret or something.

Have we ever seen a redshirt in there? Like just sitting around visiting or picking out a book or anything?

[Hodgepodge]

I thought Locke only assigned button duty to those he ''trusted'' with it....
ie: the main cast...I think we've only seen the major survivors serving button duty. But according to the dialog between Locke and Michael."I set up 2 person shifts -- 6 hours -- everyone's on the roster. "

[juanbong]

First off, I am watching One of Them again to see how Henry acts around the Losties and themannerisms he displays. I have DVR and will talk about certain parts in minutes since lost-media doesn't have screencaps for everything (not a dis towards lost-media, they are great!!!). Anyways, the arrow that Rousseau shoots into Gale must have the same poison/serum that was given to Sayid when she first captured him last season or Gale can not withstand the pain of the injury. Mind you, he is unhurt in the trap. Gale passes out at 22 minutes into the story. I will get back to this shortly.
Next, 25 minutes into the story, Gale comes around and does ask Sayid, "Where am I?" 26 minutes and 33 seconds later, when Sayid tells Jack that Rousseau thinks Gale is an other, Henry says calmly, "An other what?" Ok, while he says this, he starts to look down while saying other. No matter what pain you are in, no matter what circumstance around you, wouldn't you get freaked out and demand to know what an other is? The rolling eye syndrome. Sayid plainly states that the wound is non-lifethreatening.
Now I know he seems to be going in and out of passing out so I am not debating how people react to certain things, just stating what is being shown in the episode.
32 minutes into the show Gale is passed out due to the pain. 37 minutes and Gale asks, " What is happening?" and "Where am I?". Alright, here is where it gets tricky. Sayid starts his interregation and the first thing Gale states is that, "We landed 4 months ago." Calm still, but then Gale asks Sayid "who are you?" Sayid asks how far from the cave did he get captured. "2 days" Henry replies. Henry talks about the ADF becon and the transmitter, also living on the beach in a cave. 39 minutes and 23 seconds into the show Gale asks again who Sayid is. 39 minutes and 44 seconds we learn that Jennifer met Henry at the University of Nassau, she got sick, was delirious, and then died. Gale stares into Sayid's eyes, doesn't shed a tear. (My first impulse is, she just died maybe a couple weeks ago and doesn't shed a tear. Interesting.)
40 minutes and 13 seconds and Henry doesn't understand why Sayid hasn't told him who he is. Sayid tells Henry about being a soldier. 41 minutes and 4 seconds, Sayid tells Gale who he is, "My name is Sayid Jarrah, and I am a torturer." Gale's eyes start to get bigger.
48 minutes and Sayid inquires about the balloon. Henry gives great detail. "You were rich?" Sayid says. Henry states that he is thinking in the past. By this time, Gale doesn't seem to be hurting too much now from the arrow wound and scared to lose a finger. 50 minutes and 43 seconds into it, and Gale says, "Did you k... Did you lose someone here on the island?"
53 minutes and 47 seconds, Jack is pulling Sayid off Gale and we get what looks like Gale smirking at Sayid.

Alright my first point is made when Locke tells Jack that Sayid is one of them just like the rest of the Losties. Interesting point of view. They all are others, but which side?

My next point is, why doesn't Henry show any emotion? Yelling, crying, nothing. Just stoic. If he was a rich whiner, wouldn't he have broken down and started balling and wanting mommy. If he missed Jennifer, wouldn't he remember certain aspects of burial? Cry a little, or at least water in his eyes? Maybe a whimper? Come on people, they are on an island. It's not like they have that many distractions to forget you buried your wife. Why not yell for the other people within the hatch (Locke and Jack). Just because him and Sayid are locked in the hatch he could still yell. Why doesn't Henry repeatedly ask Sayid where he is, not who he is? You are in the jungle for 4 months and now within the walls of a confined space. Later on, Henry also seems like the wound isn't that painful. I get it, the human psyche is tough at times. But please, Henry weights maybe 170 tops. Dude should be either passing out totally due to all the pain, or he may be part of the Ethan/Goodwin scenario. Just throwning that bone out there.

My last point for tonight is this, TPTB have gone way out of their way for this character. I am sure the next couple episodes will shed some light on who he is, but for now, he is on the other's limb of the tree for me. I agree with what you said Hodge about going with your gut, as I have as well. Red herrings aside (drabby clothing, paying close detail to the balloon), why hasn't Gale mentioned anything about seeing weird circumstances in the jungle? Is he like Rousseau and can evade/track/become invisible in the jungle and not be captured or be seen by Capt. Zeke and his henchmen? Questions, questions, questions.
Can you all tell I am waiting patiently for the next new episode? Please be advised this was all written after 3 beers. Feedback is always welcome.

[Hodgepodge]

That is unbelievable Juan! :) I guess we now know, he did go in and out of consciousness.

I may not get to respond until tomorrow, but I wanted you to know how we appreciate the effort. :)

[Homer Noodleman]

I'll play devil's advocate. If his story is true, from his perspective he crashed on a desert island, lost his wife and ended up in some crazy woman's jungle trap. He hangs in that all night with crazy Danielle asking him who knows what -- but I'm guessing a lot of incoherent questions about Alex and the Others.

She show up the next day, obviously hostile towards Gale, with some guy she is arguing with about Gale's fate. He sees her notching an arrow and gets shot when he runs for it.

When he comes to he is inside of a building with more obviously jumpy people arguing about what to do with him while babbling about Others. He eventually ends up in a room, with somebody pounding on the door trying to stop things, as the person in the room with him admits he is a torturer and frankly is obviously losing control of his emotions as he questions Gale.

I think Gale was scared shitless and trying to keep himself from being hurt by these loons.

That makes a certain narrative sense too. The last episodes have shown Jack, Sawyer, Locke and now Sayid all spinning more and more out of control as they struggle with each other for leadership. Their insanity causing untold suffering to somebody who was innocent would certainly pack a whallop.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Homer:
That makes a certain narrative sense too. The last episodes have shown Jack, Sawyer, Locke and now Sayid all spinning more and more out of control as they struggle with each other for leadership. Their insanity causing untold suffering to somebody who was innocent would certainly punch a whallop.
Exactly what Damon and Carlton say on this weeks podcast. The new arc within the story of who is in charge, what leadership means to these cats, and what justice means to the Losties.
Gale is scared it may seem, but even still, no emotion towards being scared. To each their own I suppose. Me in that tree trap, or getting the snot beat out of me while tied down would equal soiled undies.

Quoted by Hodge:
I guess we now know, he did go in and out of consciousness.

If nothing else, I try to appease the masses. ;)

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

I think Gale was scared shitless and trying to keep himself from being hurt by these loons.

by smirking at your torturer when you get 'rescued'??



I'll give you that Locke says everyone is on button duty, but I'm not so sure he meant ''everyone''. Just the popular kids.

[Hodgepodge]

by smirking at your torturer when you get 'rescued'??...Nokomis, you and a few others in this thread have mentioned Henry's smirk. I need to rewatch One of Them . I'm not sure I recognize that look as a smirk. :confused:

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Nokomis, you and a few others in this thread have mentioned Henry's smirk. I need to rewatch One of Them . I'm not sure I recognize that look as a smirk.

hmmm... what would you describe it as?
To me, it was a :nanabobo: look that said ''HAHAHA Jack pulled you off me and I didn't tell you anything!!''

[Zeek]

hmmm... what would you describe it as?
To me, it was a :nanabobo: look that said ''HAHAHA Jack pulled you off me and I didn't tell you anything!!'' I took it as a "haha Jack won't trust you with anything anymore". Nothing like getting rid of someone with army experience when you're enemies are forming an army.

oh oh thought of another one. What if he's a taily? One of the ones who got taken early on by the others. Let's say they captured him and took him to some other hatch that they control. Somehow he escapes and gets caught in a net by Danielle. He's worried thinking she's part of the others. So, he runs at the first chance he gets. Instead he's shot with an arrow. Now he wakes up right back in a hatch. He thinks "great captured by the others again...yet in a different hatch...eh these still must be bad guys". Now the only thing this still wouldn't explain is the lying. If all that was true then why the balloon story. The only possible chance I can come up with there is that the others who captured him we way too interested in the plane crash and he was hoping that if they didn't think he was on the plane they might let him go. That one's a huge stretch though. The only thing that got me thinking this is that it would make a big reveal moment when Ana finally gets to see him and Henry looks shocked and says, "Ana?".

[Hodgepodge]

Everyone in the thread! When Gale tells Sayid, "she got sick, was delirious, and then died", speaking about his wife. What is the first thing that came to mind? I don't want anyone to see my first thought, so I'm hiding it in a spoiler tag.

"The disease that cause Danielle to kill her crew members!"


ETA: I'm at work, so I don't have my tape handy. Prior to removing the arrow. Does Jack administer some type of anesthesia through an injection? I can't remember!

[DreaminLost]

I am sure the next couple episodes will shed some light on who he is, but for now, he is on the other's limb of the tree for me.

I WISH!! But wouldn't it be just like the writers to leave us out on that limb for a couple of weeks while focusing on other characters and plot points.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Henry is mentioned, but we learn nothing more about him for a while. :irked:

[DreaminLost]

ETA: I'm at work, so I don't have my tape handy. Prior to removing the arrow. Does Jack administer some type of anesthesia through an injection? I can't remember!

No, Henry's passed out from pain/shock/whatever.

Hodge, you're at work on a Wednesday night!? NO! Go home!

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
Everyone in the thread! When Gale tells Sayid, "she got sick, was delirious, and then died", speaking about his wife. What is the first thing that came to mind? I don't want anyone to see my first thought, so I'm hiding it in a spoiler tag.

Hodge, it was my first thought exactly!!!!!!
I am still on the fence with Gale, but yeah I am on the same lines as you.

Quoted by Hodge:
ETA: I'm at work, so I don't have my tape handy. Prior to removing the arrow. Does Jack administer some type of anesthesia through an injection? I can't remember!

Other than the Dharma rubbing alcohol (Dharma rubbing alcohol, go figure. This company thought of everything.) Jack pours on him and using some tweezer like instrument to pick out the arrow shards, no injection. Unless we can't see it, and I don't buy that happening.

[Hodgepodge]

No, Henry's passed out from pain/shock/whatever.

Hodge, you're at work on a Wednesday night!? NO! Go home!:) DL, I live in SoCal, so I've got plenty of time. Although, I will leave the board before you guys start posting tonight. I call it my self-imposed exile.

And I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if Henry Gale's name isn't mentioned tonight.

Thanks Juan, for the clarification on the anesthesia injection.

[juanbong]

So last night we got to see more of our "friend" Henry. Not too much light was shed on hem, hmm? I beg to differ. First, either the walls are very thin in the hatch, or he has really good hearing. He heard Jack and Locke discuss the leaving a book in the armory for Gale to read. Not only did he hear this, but Gale turned the tables on Locke with the Hemingway in Dostoevsky shadow remark. Gale says that Locke is doing the same thing with Jack. Locke tells him that they both call the shots and agree on things. When is the last time that has happened? Gale knew, and can read people, IMO. The hearing part could be chalked up to good ears/walls are thin. Have you ever heard of an armory that has thin walls? I am just asking.
Comedic relief- After Locke asks Jack what to do with him, you hear Gale in the room say, "Let him out". Good stuff.

[Semisonique]

Does any one have any thoughts on any possible link between Desmond and Henry?

I can't remember his exact words, but didn't Desmond say that he landed here during some round the world trip? Henry was travelling in a hot air balloon, which has been used in reality and literature for attempts around the world.

[juanbong]

First off, :welcome: Semisonique! Please take a moment or two to read the posting guidelines located here...http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2. With that said, enjoy your time on the message boards and have fun. Again, :welcome: .

Quoted by Semisonique:
Does any one have any thoughts on any possible link between Desmond and Henry?

I can't remember his exact words, but didn't Desmond say that he landed here during some round the world trip? Henry was travelling in a hot air balloon, which has been used in reality and literature for attempts around the world.

Now, the link has been thought of but for now no one is going that route (in this thread anyways) because we are still trying to figure out if Gale is lying or not about who he says he is. So with that said, it is possible that Gale was/is a replacement to Desmond. We haven't seen or heard from Desmond in a while so no one is sure.
Desmond tells Jack and Locke that he was involved in an around the world race and his yacht crashes into or around the island. Kelvin comes out of the jungle and thinks Desmond is his replacement.
As for the balloon, here is a preview of the upcoming new episodes starting in two weeks (next week is a repeat).

Gale evidently makes a map to where his balloon is crashed and it looks like he trusts A-L to finding said balloon.


For more info on the balloon travelling and Gale, here is this thread, http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15244. I hope that helps.

[Hodgepodge]

First, let me second Juan's welcome Semisonique.

Juan, from that last little scene between Gale and Locke, I'm pretty much convinced he's a plant. How obvious was the "divide and conquer" trick. But for the life of me, how does someone volunteer for this kind of mission? Knowing that you're going to be tortured and questioned.

Semisonique, as Juan mentioned, we've tried to add different people on the island to specific groups. It's just so difficult. With this episode, we can now add Ethan to Zeke and his crew. Prior to that, we couldn't make him fit with anyone. So your thought of combining Henry Gale and Desmond, is quite possible. We just can't confirm yet.

[Warthawg1]

But for the life of me, how does someone volunteer for this kind of mission? Knowing that you're going to be tortured and questioned.

Come on Hodge.. it's all a question of motivation and reward vs risk. In real life people volunteer to walk into bus stations with bombs wrapped around them all for the promise of a few virgins in the after life.

[DohBoy]

I think Henry Gale is "HIM." You know, the HIM that Zeke is concerned about when he talks to Ethan. Gale is the evil mastermind behind the Others. Didn't you see how well he manipulates people? How well he thinks on his feet?

I wouldn't be surprised if the balloon crash on the island DID happen, but it wasn't Gale's balloon.

[juanbong]

Quoted by DohBoy:
I wouldn't be surprised if the balloon crash on the island DID happen, but it wasn't Gale's balloon.


Nice to see ya 'gain. Capt'n!! Yarr!
So on this theory, someone else would have crashed onto the island and Gale is using this as his story. Interesting. Do we know how Kelvin got on the island? Not yet, and may never know. I am sticking this one on my back burner and letting it simmer for now. Sounds plausible and reasonable to me.
True, Gale is quick with the conversation, thinking on his toes, and also didn't mention anything about his wife this go around. If he was trying to be convincing, wouldn't he have thrown in a line or two about loss and isolation. Other than taunting Locke with the Hemingway parallel, it seems as if Gale already knows who to mess with and who not to tangle with. Of all the things going on right now, IMO, Gale is the biggest mystery/problem the Losties should be worried about.

[Brian]

I think Henry Gale is "HIM." You know, the HIM that Zeke is concerned about when he talks to Ethan. Gale is the evil mastermind behind the Others. Didn't you see how well he manipulates people? How well he thinks on his feet?

I wouldn't be surprised if the balloon crash on the island DID happen, but it wasn't Gale's balloon.
I think you make a great point here DohBoy! He does think very quickly on his feet, and for someone who's allegedly scared to death, he does manage to further the wedge between Jack and Locke. I say Locke just "off" Jack and be done with it. ;)

Seriously though, great idea. I think it's very plausible. Time will tell I suppose.

[Hodgepodge]

Come on Hodge.. it's all a question of motivation and reward vs risk. In real life people volunteer to walk into bus stations with bombs wrapped around them all for the promise of a few virgins in the after life.You know Warty, this is very interesting!

Last night while waching Maternity Leave, I was noticing everything in the Dharma medical bunker. I was struck, as I have been throughout the exploration of the Dharma facilities, everything has their logo. I mean everything! It brought home the idea, the Initiative was planning on surviving a planet wide catastrophe. They were going to be the only survivors left!

With that in mind, and your post Warty, does this turn the Dharma Initiative into a cult religion? A religion, someone, if asked, would give up their life? Would even be asked to give up their life?

I hope this doesn't offend anyone? I apologize beforehand, if it does. I'm not trying to compare religions, but this kind of struck a nerve with me. Living around Los Angeles, CA. We have the religion Scientology. It was developed by L. Ron Hubbard. And a lot of recognized members are in the movie industry. Right off the top of my head, I can name Tom Cruise. Now some outside the religion, consider it a cult. They accuse them of brainwashing and abduction. People supposedly have given up great wealth to Scientology.

They own commercial property throughout the city. I've noticed in my travels, they add their logo to everything they own. As I said, Warty's post just brought this to the surface. Again, no offensive was intended.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
With that in mind, and your post Warty, does this turn the Dharma Initiative into a cult religion? A religion, someone, if asked, would give up their life? Would even be asked to give up their life?

I am thinking the same way, but after re-reading your post, this stood out more...
Last night while waching Maternity Leave, I was noticing everything in the Dharma medical bunker. I was struck, as I have been throughout the exploration of the Dharma facilities, everything has their logo. I mean everything! It brought home the idea, the Initiative was planning on surviving a planet wide catastrophe. They were going to be the only survivors left!


Hodge, via Warty's comment, brought out the religious aspect of Dharma. A possibility that they could be some sort of modern day (or 1970's) cult or commune. You bring this up by how the logo is on everything, which I concur. Now what about a flipside-intimation? You started to talk about it a little, but why have everything with their own logo on all the stuff? A monopoly of value. A tactic that lets people know who is in charge. Example- I live in North Carolina and we have only 2 cable sources/providers, TimeWarner or satellite. You either have a dish or you get a cable box/DVR. What if I only had one choice, the dish? A monopoly on the way to get my cable. It seems the same thing may apply here. Dharma "makes" everything, has their logo on these things, their people follow this company/whatever, and all they know is Dharma. Nothing else. Scare tactics. Thinking Dharma's way or the highway. If you are not part of Dharma, then you are part of the problem. It is a clever way to instill fear in its people as well as freak out those who see it from another angle (the Losties).
I know, far fetched. But you both (Hodge and Warty) brought up something interesting.

[Zeek]

Well he came off all evil again. In Maternity Leave he was snobby and decitful. He obviously was trying to put a wedge between Locke and Jack. He also was not at all appreciative of the food and books. I think for a prisoner of war he was being treated extremly well. Especially considering someone had to go out and pick or hunt for all the food he's being provided. That's a pretty nice offering in my book.
Now in the preview we see the plotline of Henry drawing a map to his balloon. What sense does this make? He passed out and was carried a decent distance from where he was caught. Even Sayid was getting fed up with how far they traveled when Danielle was taking him to Henry. How is he supposed to know where he is on the island and to draw a map? Also how well can the average person map something out. I'm just thinking of my office floor here and I can't even remember how many aisles over the bathroom is from me and that's a nice standard layout. We're talking about a jungle here. I just don't think it's a practical request.

[Hodgepodge]

...Dharma "makes" everything, has their logo on these things, their people follow this company/whatever, and all they know is Dharma. Nothing else. Scare tactics. Thinking Dharma's way or the highway. If you are not part of Dharma, then you are part of the problem. It is a clever way to instill fear in its people as well as freak out those who see it from another angle (the Losties).
I know, far fetched. But you both (Hodge and Warty) brought up something interesting.Juan, you're a genius! It's called, "Indoctrination". I was going to say it's subliminal, but it isn't. It's right in your face! There isn't an alternative, because we're the only game in town.

There's speculation on the board, that Zeke and his crew are what's left of the Dharma Initiative. That they're trying to regain control of something that's gone awry. I don't buy it!

Juan, I think the Initiative is in full swing. We need a way to verify they're still in operation? We've speculated, Malkin, Claire's psychic, was in their employ. Homer intimated, how strange it was, Susan got a job working in Amsterdam. The home of Alvar Hanso, the financial backer of the Initiative.

I remember when Walt was kidnapped. Everyone was asking, where did Capt. Gorton get the fuel to power his boat? We suppose they're being resupplied by someone or something. We just don't know how! Boy, wouldn't you like to see a submarine with the logo pulling up and anchoring off the island. Unloading perishables and such?

...Wait a minute! I just thought of something. Remember that new style washer and dryer found in the "hatch"? Didn't someone say they started making/selling that model in the 1990s? Did those items have a logo? And, was that logo the one we've come to know and love? Dharma! If we can show their logo on currently designed merchandise. We can prove they're still an entity. If we can prove that! Then Dharma is still up to something, and that something isn't good. If they can somehow bring down a plane, could they be trying something more sinister? Can you say World domination? I thought you could!

[moonshadow707]

Henry got under Locke's skin, and it's been theorized that he may have known just how to do this - that is, he knew more about Locke than he should have known about someone he just met.

Am I crazy to think he may have done the same thing to Sayid deliberately? He managed to make both of these guys lose control. In Sayid's case, Henry got the snot beat out of him - maybe he didn't count on that happening, or maybe it was a risk he was willing to take. I don't know. I just see a parallel between the knowing look he gave Sayid after Jack dragged him off and the look on his face when he was sitting on the bunk listening to Locke breaking dishes. Not quite a smirk, but I could almost hear him thinking to himself: "I got to you, didn't I?"

Interesting also that Eko told Henry to "stop talking". Could he have known that Henry would try to get to him with words, too?

I'm another one who thinks the balloon may exist and will be found, but it doesn't prove Henry's story is true. Likewise, he may be able to lead them to the buried body of a woman (who may even have ID confirming her name as Jennifer Murphy Gale), but it doesn't prove she was Henry's wife.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Boy, wouldn't you like to see a submarine with the logo pulling up and anchoring off the island. Unloading perishables and such?

Perhaps ole sharky is really a submarine!! A mechanical machine used to transport things about the island (or to and from it) and it is of course......





wait for it............






stamped with the Dharma logo!!:D

[juanbong]

I go out and come back to this, great...some good thinking. I am amazed by the ones who have something to say on this board. I know I play a lot of basement games, but this thread is only getting better IMO. After listening to the podcast this week, posting in here, and watching the episode, something is still off base with me, again IMO. I have a short story to tell (goonish, I know but bear with me) that happened last night. I go out with some friends from work (I am a librarian and work with the same lot) and only one other person watches Lost (the other two have only watched an episode or two this season) other than myself. We get to talking shop, he tells me he doesn't look on this board, and mentions (get this) this thing about a submarine. Yeah, so let me put this in the mix, and quote...

Quoted by Hodge;
I remember when Walt was kidnapped. Everyone was asking, where did Capt. Gorton get the fuel to power his boat? We suppose they're being resupplied by someone or something. We just don't know how! Boy, wouldn't you like to see a submarine with the logo pulling up and anchoring off the island. Unloading perishables and such


WTF? Are you kidding me? That would be actually making me speechless. It would show how severe this system of Dharma is willing to go for their cause. So, he tells me what is Dharma is controlled by a submarine and said submarine delivers food every scheduled time and controls other aspects on the island. I was like, "huh, interesting." And now it pops up again. "Interesting."

Quoted by Hodge:
...Wait a minute! I just thought of something. Remember that new style washer and dryer found in the "hatch"? Didn't someone say they started making/selling that model in the 1990s? Did those items have a logo? And, was that logo the one we've come to know and love? Dharma! If we can show their logo on currently designed merchandise. We can prove they're still an entity. If we can prove that! Then Dharma is still up to something, and that something isn't good. If they can somehow bring down a plane, could they be trying something more sinister? Can you say World domination? I thought you could!


I have read some posts and looked at the hatches rewatching the DVR tapes and can't see any acknowledgement of a logo (but that is just me).
I did read an interview with Damon where he mentioned...

The end of this season will learn how/why the plane crashed.


In the big picture, does this have merit?

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge;
It's called, "Indoctrination".

indoctrinate
One entry found for indoctrinate.
Main Entry: in·doc·tri·nate
Pronunciation: in-'däk-tr&-"nAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -nat·ed; -nat·ing
Etymology: probably from Middle English endoctrinen, from Middle French endoctriner, from Old French, from en- + doctrine doctrine
1 : to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : TEACH
2 : to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle
- in·doc·tri·na·tion /(")in-"däk-tr&-'nA-sh&n/ noun
- in·doc·tri·na·tor /in-'däk-tr&-"nA-t&r/ noun

ETA: Another thought about the definition of indoctrination, mentioning the sectarian opinion. How interesting that Ethan mentions that the family will take good care of Aaron, but she has to give up the baby herself. While she is drugged up and in the jungle, Claire is mumbling about giving Aaron to Ethan. Is this the same family that kidnapped Walt? Zeke is the patriarch? Naw, but Gale could be, or since we haven't heard or seen Hanso yet.

[Hodgepodge]

...Am I crazy to think he may have done the same thing to Sayid deliberately? He managed to make both of these guys lose control. In Sayid's case, Henry got the snot beat out of him - maybe he didn't count on that happening, or maybe it was a risk he was willing to take. I don't know. I just see a parallel between the knowing look he gave Sayid after Jack dragged him off and the look on his face when he was sitting on the bunk listening to Locke breaking dishes. Not quite a smirk, but I could almost hear him thinking to himself: "I got to you, didn't I?" ...No Mooshadow, you're not crazy! Remember that conversation between Zeke and The Hunting Party posse? Didn't Zeke intimate he knew a lot about the Losties?

It looks like you're beginning to feel like I do. In order to know things, you've got to have information. The info you're talking about may've been supplied by Walt. We have to remember, he's still under their control. But I get the impression, it would probably come from adult observations. I didn't say anything? Did you? That leaves another possible plant! Someone who made the trip from Australia!


...Another thought about the definition of indoctrination, mentioning the sectarian opinion. How interesting that Ethan mentions that the family will take good care of Aaron, but she has to give up the baby herself. While she is drugged up and in the jungle, Claire is mumbling about giving Aaron to Ethan. Is this the same family that kidnapped Walt? Zeke is the patriarch? Naw, but Gale could be, or since we haven't heard or seen Hanso yet.Juan, I think it's the same family. But I don't think Zeke is the patriarch. Remember, he tells Ethan outside the Dharma medical room. " What am I supposed to tell him? You know what he's going to do when he finds out. Damn it, Ethan." That's the one we're going to have to watch out for. Now, I've got my inkling who that "him/he's/he" is. But I've sworn never to say his name again until I'm proven right. I will give you a hint though! :whistling

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

It looks like you're beginning to feel like I do. In order to know things, you've got to have information. The info you're talking about may've been supplied by Walt. We have to remember, he's still under their control. But I get the impression, it would probably come from adult observations. I didn't say anything? Did you? That leaves another possible plant! Someone who made the trip from Australia

I sometimes wonder if they are hinting at there being a mole/spy among the castaways just to drive us all nuts trying to guess who it is. My money is on a simpler explaination..that being that Vincent is rigged with a camera.
Either that, or this whole ''crash'' is a set up and the Dharma people planned just where that plane would go down..and they have hidden cameras all over the beach/hatch areas.

A submarine would make the most sense for restocking the island (which it is obvious they do with the newer model W/D) The reason being that its quieter and less likely to be spotted than a boat or a plane.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Nokomis:
I sometimes wonder if they are hinting at there being a mole/spy among the castaways just to drive us all nuts trying to guess who it is. My money is on a simpler explaination..that being that Vincent is rigged with a camera.
Either that, or this whole ''crash'' is a set up and the Dharma people planned just where that plane would go down..and they have hidden cameras all over the beach/hatch areas.


I have thought something similar since last season about Vincent. I have a notion that Vincent is not the same dog. Cloned? Perhaps. But wouldn't it be interesting if Vincent is the actual mole. A dog! I know, weird.
Now if Dharma "planned" the crash for 815, did they also plan for Rousseau's vessel, Desmond's yacht, and Gale's balloon (if Gale is who he says he is). Just a question I would like to know..

Quoted by Nokomis:
I sometimes wonder if they are hinting at there being a mole/spy among the castaways just to drive us all nuts trying to guess who it is.
Good point! We all know TPTB like to throw :monkey: wrenches into the mix. And on the flipside, we all could think there is a mole/spy/whatever and really there is no one spying or divulging info. Then again, they all could be doing this to each other and not consciously knowing they are giving away info- like your hidden camera theory.

Quoted by Hodge:
That's the one we're going to have to watch out for. Now, I've got my inkling who that "him/he's/he" is. But I've sworn never to say his name again until I'm proven right. I will give you a hint though!

Hodge, I think we may be on the same page here. But the information is classified at this point. There are lurkers on the board here....;) .

[LOST Prodigy of Knowledge]

In "The Hunting Party", Jack asks why they used a spy..Ethan.....since Ethan's job was not fulfilled....maybe they said..we need to do that again.....excpet differently.That is why they sent in Gale....but now that they know that there are others....they tried a different perspective.
?????????????

[Hodgepodge]

I sometimes wonder if they are hinting at there being a mole/spy among the castaways just to drive us all nuts trying to guess who it is. My money is on a simpler explaination..that being that Vincent is rigged with a camera...Gee, thanks Nokomis. I just changed my avatar! But I wouldn't put anything past the "Others". Can I assume this dog-cam would also be able to pickup audio? Wouldn't that be sinister!


...Either that, or this whole ''crash'' is a set up and the Dharma people planned just where that plane would go down..and they have hidden cameras all over the beach/hatch areas...Oh, I believe the crash was planned! I just can't get my mind around the idea of certain people surviving the crash.

I wrote a theory awhile back called The List! (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10435&highlight=The+List) I proposed that the "Others" have a "master" list of the so-called "good ones". Remember Ana-Lucia found a list of specific Tailies that were/suppose to be taken. In Maternity Leave, Zeke makes the same demands on Ethan. "What the hell happened? You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?"

If we can somehow accept the idea, that a minority of the passengers of flight 815 were manipulated onto the flight. Then a "master" list makes sense. Lets say there were 100 passengers on the flight! Dharma, manipulated 25 of those passengers. Goodwin and Ethan would make a list of who survived. They would in turn check their lists against the "master" list. Lets say, of the 25 manipulated passengers, 16 survived! Does that make any sense?

[athywithak]

There is some interesting info on Gale in the Diary on ABC's official site.

I for one try to avoid too much info that comes from outside the show, so I figure I won't tell you what it says unless one day the Diary actually connects to the show. But if you want to...now you know.

K

[Hodgepodge]

There is some interesting info on Gale in the Diary on ABC's official site.

I for one try to avoid too much info that comes from outside the show, so I figure I won't tell you what it says unless one day the Diary actually connects to the show. But if you want to...now you know.

KK, I don't think I've ever been to the Official Lost site, let alone the diary. Do we still keep a running tab on its contents?

[Brian]

K, I don't think I've ever been to the Official Lost site, let alone the diary. Do we still keep a running tab on its contents?
I thought we used to, Hodge. I believe it was in GD but I couldn't find it there, then I searched the entire forum and couldn't find it anywhere. If we did, it's possible it was "eaten" in the EZHack of '05.

ETA - there are plenty of references to threads with "Diary" in the contents (272 to be exact) but I did a boolean search for "The and Diary" because I thought that was in the title of the thread and I came up with nothing.

[Hodgepodge]

I thought we used to, Hodge. I believe it was in GD but I couldn't find it there, then I searched the entire forum and couldn't find it anywhere. If we did, it's possible it was "eaten" in the EZHack of '05.

ETA - there are plenty of references to threads with "Diary" in the contents (272 to be exact) but I did a boolean search for "The and Diary" because I thought that was in the title of the thread and I came up with nothing.Like you Leuthen, I remember there was a Diary sticky. You maybe right! It went with the ezHack! Damn, that destroyed a lot of stuff! :mad:

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

If we can somehow accept the idea, that a minority of the passengers of flight 815 were manipulated onto the flight. Then a "master" list makes sense. Lets say there were 100 passengers on the flight! Dharma, manipulated 25 of those passengers. Goodwin and Ethan would make a list of who survived. They would in turn check their lists against the "master" list. Lets say, of the 25 manipulated passengers, 16 survived! Does that make any sense?

Someone somewhere recently made a list of all the main cast passengers who were ''manipulated'' or had their tickets purchased for them. (EX: Sayid's was given to him by the CIA, Sawyers by the Australian police, Michael's by Walts stepdad, Claire's by the psychic guy.. etc etc)
Could this be the list of ''good ones'' you're looking for?

Sorry about your av.. maybe you could add a camera lens to Vincent's forehead??:nanabobo:

The diary sticky wasn't lost in ezhack. It made it to this new board, and only recently disappeared from the sticky list in GD. A few were watching it and updating us when a new entry was made. I think it got dropped when someone with the show made mention somewhere that it didnt connect to the show and there were no easter eggs in it for us.

[Brian]

Like you Leuthen, I remember there was a Diary sticky. You maybe right! It went with the ezHack! Damn, that destroyed a lot of stuff! :mad:
For the record, Hodge, I searched the archives as well. Same result. *sigh* I guess it's gone for good. Glad I wasn't the only one who remembered a thread about the Diary being here somewhere at some point in the past. :)

[juanbong]

Quoted by Nokomis:
Someone somewhere recently made a list of all the main cast passengers who were ''manipulated'' or had their tickets purchased for them. (EX: Sayid's was given to him by the CIA, Sawyers by the Australian police, Michael's by Walts stepdad, Claire's by the psychic guy.. etc etc)
Could this be the list of ''good ones'' you're looking for?


This is interesting. Nokomis, can you provide a link or know who wrote this list out? I am going to search for it myself, but any help would be great.

[juanbong]

We all know how IMDB is not a reliable source, but you can also post your own theories, questions, etc. As I am reading the Lost board they have going, I come across this about Gale. I wanted to post this to just see what everyone else thought. Enjoy!!!

by - ThEmIsFiTiShErE 1 day ago (Mon Mar 6 2006 01:53:58) Ignore this User | Report Abuse


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ABC DELETED my post again!!

I have done EXTENSIVE research and have found out THAT Tom, the father of Claire's baby is relatated to HENRY gale (If that is HIS real name).

Photo of Tom - http://lost.cubit.net/printImg.php?table=profile&idataId=0059

Photo of Henry Gale - http://lost.cubit.net/printImg.php?table=profile&idataId=0137

IMBD says Henry Gale (If that is HIS real name) is played by Michael Emerson. Claire's boyfriend (Aaron's father) Thomas is PLAYED by Keir O'Donnell.

I have COME to the conclusion that Henry GALE (If that is HIS real name) is toms Dad and THIS makes him aaron GRANDFATHER!! Mr Gale (If that is HIS real name) is is therefore here to GET his grandson BACK!!

[Hodgepodge]

Someone somewhere recently made a list of all the main cast passengers who were ''manipulated'' or had their tickets purchased for them. (EX: Sayid's was given to him by the CIA, Sawyers by the Australian police, Michael's by Walts stepdad, Claire's by the psychic guy.. etc etc)
Could this be the list of ''good ones'' you're looking for?Like Juan, I'd definitely like to peruse that thread you're talking about. But, it sounds like it comes close to what I'm talking about. Hopefully, its not to far out in its manipulations? To many people invlolved makes it less likely in my opinion.


Sorry about your av.. maybe you could add a camera lens to Vincent's forehead??:nanabobo:...OMG Nokomis! I just had a visual of Vincent with a Borg eyepiece. OK, somebody's got to make this for me! :)

Juan, I just finished reading, Prior Knowledge: The Crib, the Mobile and the song? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15590) thread. There were a couple of people mentioning this very thing. Henry Gale was Thomas' father. Was in essence, Aaron's grandfather.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Okay so the strangest thing...
I'm using the search feature... (grrrrr) to try and locate what the heck thread I was in when I read the tickets given to or purchased by someone else thingy.. (with NO luck I might add).....but guess what it did give me??



http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6655&highlight=%27%27tickets+purchased+by+someone+else% 27%27

the missing diary thread....... go figure.

So anyway...
while I cant remember the thread or who wrote about it... the gist was that a certain few didn't buy their own tickets on this particular flight. The idea is that Dharma did indeed rig who was on that plane. (a stretch...given the number of people who would have had to be involved) Lets look at the main cast..
Kate..the marshall bought her ticket
Sayid..the CIA bought his
Sawyer..the Australian police bought his
Claire.. the psychic bought hers
Michael and Walt.. Walt's step daddy bought theirs
Locke.. the walkabout people bought his
Sun and Jin.. Sun's daddy (might have) bought theirs

I feel like I'm missing someone else, but thats what I can remember.
So could this be the list of ''good ones''?? We really dont know what one is ''good for''... could be reproducing.
stop thinking about having Sawyer's and Sayid's babies!!

and while I'm at it... from memory.. Thomas and Henry do indeed bear a resemblence. Small close set eyes maybe? I'd have to rewatch and look at Thomas.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

here ya go.....

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4097/vincentav23dz.jpg

[igator210]

The diary thread, from what I remember became unstickied after LoStMyMiNd and I debated the validity of it after it was being writen for "fun" (post 179). However, since "Hunting Party" the thread as has gotten fairly busy again. As fair as Henry Gale, there is a reference in the Diary if any one cares to read it:

Diary entry on Henry Gale (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/104157.html)

[Hodgepodge]

That's very interesting Igator! I don't know what to make of it? Is the diary still suppose to be written by one of the Losties? Or has anyone excess to it?

[Brian]

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6655&highlight=%27%27tickets+purchased+by+someone+else% 27%27

the missing diary thread....... go figure.
Yeah, figures. I knew doing an advanced boolean search for "The and Diary" would be my undoing. I'll have to try more obscure search strings next time. ;)

Thanks Nokomis, at least I'm not completely crazy.

[Hodgepodge]

And Nokomis, that doesn't look like a Borg eyepiece? :p

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Yeah, figures. I knew doing an advanced boolean search for "The and Diary" would be my undoing. I'll have to try more obscure search strings next time.

yea, next time try looking for something that has all to do with diaries ...like oh... I dunno.... lollypops. I bet you'll find it.
Thanks Nokomis, at least I'm not completely crazy.

well....... thats ummmm up for debate I think. :p

And Nokomis, that doesn't look like a Borg eyepiece?
hey, I did a search for it, and could only come up with this 4 headed beast. I took one off and mounted it on Vincent. Post me a picture of what you want, and I'll see what I can do. :p

I do remember that the 'list' thing was in a thread that really didnt have to do with lists and such. It was kind of a ''we're talking about Eko's stick but I think I'll throw this list thing in here cause I have nothing better to do'' type post. I looked around as best I could.... then....(admitting a secret here) I even re read THIS thread thinking well stranger things have happened.. then I thought, Goddammit I'll bet it IS in this thread and one of these two wrote it and is screwing with me about ''gee what a wonderful idea where could you have ever heard it'' type joke.... but alas.... tis not to be located.:ImLost:

[Hodgepodge]

Hey, don't worry about it! It'll come to ya!

[Brian]

yea, next time try looking for something that has all to do with diaries ...like oh... I dunno.... lollypops. I bet you'll find it.

Ah, of course. That's where I went wrong. ;)


well....... thats ummmm up for debate I think. :p

Why thank you. :flowers: :) Yes, it is up for debate I think. Anyone here who knows me will tell you that. ;)


hey, I did a search for it, and could only come up with this 4 headed beast. I took one off and mounted it on Vincent. Post me a picture of what you want, and I'll see what I can do. :p

I did a Google image search for "Borg" and it returned pretty much crap. Take a look at Wikipedia's entry for Borg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg) and I think you'll get a good idea of what Hodge was talking about. ;)

[Hodgepodge]

Do you guys remember 7of9? When she was on the television, nobody in my household was allowed to breath. OMG, I just got a flashback! I'd better take a minute.

[Brian]

Do you guys remember 7of9? When she was on the television, nobody in my household was allowed to breath. OMG, I just got a flashback! I'd better take a minute.


7 of 9? OMG! Jeri Ryan is hot!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/jeri_ryan_light_blue_sweater.jpg


I'll be back in a moment.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

like this??

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/7398/vincentav30zg.jpg

I'll be back in a moment.

ew.

just........ew.

[igator210]

That's very interesting Igator! I don't know what to make of it? Is the diary still suppose to be written by one of the Losties? Or has anyone excess to it?


The diary as it is written, is not being "controled" by TPTB. However, it is an "official" extension of Lost. That being said, there is some debate about the Season 2 diary writer and whether they are an other or a lostie

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

It almost sounded to me like it was two new writers.. First they said anyone who wants to hurt them needs to be destroyed, then he writes that people just need to get along.
Strange..

anyhooo
I think it would be cool if Henry was indeed Thomas's daddy.:D

[Warthawg1]

You know what I find amazing? Sayids torture of Gale and the thought that Sayid can get information out of people. Information gathered via torture is notoriously unreliable. Give a man the proper motivational speech, and he will confess to anything.

[azteclady]

Leuthen, insane or not, we wuuuuuuuuuuuuuv oo!!! :flowers:

I too believe that Cap'n DohBoy has the right idea -it wouldn't be all that hard for pretty much anyone who's been in the island for a while to come upon the balloon wreck, maybe even a male corpse and the relatively fresh grave of a woman, find the IDs and voilà! Perfect cover to infiltrate the 815s.

And I concur with Warty, juanbong and Hodgepodge that it would seem that the entire Dharma group operates in the manner of a cult - only with a scientific slant (showing my ignorance: is this the same way that Scientology works?). The original group could have conceivably convinced themselves of the righteousness of their ends to the point of disregarding their means, and the second generation could have been born and/or raised on the island and believe the entire program unquestioningly (for the most part at least).

Now, where I part ways with many of you here (sorry, Hodgepodge!), is on the idea that Dharma exists outside of the island at this point in time, and that it brought this specific group of people there. I can't help but think that if Dharma was that widespread, that powerful, they wouldn't have left all the heroin in the Beechcraft for the 815s to find.

Or the Black Rock.

Or the place where Danielle recorded her distress signal - or, if she slipped by unnoticed, they would have by now realized that the numbers are no longer being broadcast and would change the signal again, no?

Similarly, the fact that the hatch the Tailies find [Arrow?] was closed off and abandoned, points to dwindling resources, from where I sit.

And what about the medical hatch? You have one very pregnant, drugged half out of her mind, slip of a woman escapes and you abandon an entire medical facility? And you not only don't even lock it up tighter than... well, tight - your attempts at hiding the unlocked entrance are so pathetic, this same slip of a woman with absolutely no field experience finds it in a matter of what? an hour?

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

You know what I find amazing? Sayids torture of Gale and the thought that Sayid can get information out of people. Information gathered via torture is notoriously unreliable. Give a man the proper motivational speech, and he will confess to anything.

True enough, Kate's promise of a kissypoo did seem to work faster than bamboo up the nails.

Come to think of it..... Sayid's now 0 for 2 in the torture dept. Perhaps he should find another line of work...no?

[Brian]

True enough, Kate's promise of a kissypoo did seem to work faster than bamboo up the nails.

Come to think of it..... Sayid's now 0 for 2 in the torture dept. Perhaps he should find another line of work...no?
I think he could have broken Gale if Jack hadn't gotten in the way. Sayid had the right line of questioning, he just didn't have enough time IMO.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

I think he could have broken Gale if Jack hadn't gotten in the way. Sayid had the right line of questioning, he just didn't have enough time IMO.

Watching Gale's ''smirk'' at Sayid after the beatdown he got.... I'm not so sure he would have 'broken' him.. but he might have eventually caught him in a lie.

[Zeek]

And what about the medical hatch? You have one very pregnant, drugged half out of her mind, slip of a woman escapes and you abandon an entire medical facility? And you not only don't even lock it up tighter than... well, tight - your attempts at hiding the unlocked entrance are so pathetic, this same slip of a woman with absolutely no field experience finds it in a matter of what? an hour?
I would have to guess that they wanted Claire to find that hatch. Like you said it wasn't even locked. They left it there for her. Down to the details of leaving the booty she sewed on the floor of the nursery. If they really wanted it cleaned out, they wouldn't have missed a bright blue booty on the floor. Not when they took the time to strip all the paint off the walls of the room.

The only problem is I can't figure out why they wanted Claire to find the medical hatch.

[Warthawg1]

(showing my ignorance: is this the same way that Scientology works?)

Not showing any ignorance... that pretty much sums it up nicely.

O..M..G

I've just solved the mysteries of the others.

They are all scientologists. Near the end of the show we will find out that their leader is none other than Tom Cruise and he has been secretly pulling all the strings from beneath Oprah's couch.

[ekoistheman]

Not showing any ignorance... that pretty much sums it up nicely.

O..M..G

I've just solved the mysteries of the others.

They are all scientologists. Near the end of the show we will find out that their leader is none other than Tom Cruise and he has been secretly pulling all the strings from beneath Oprah's couch.
somebody protect that baby that Katie is carrying, Tom may snap and take it to Zeke.

[Warthawg1]

Yes... you all thought that the Katie/Tom relationship was odd??

Not in light of this new revelation about the others being scientologists. Tom was just after a special baby in case the Claire thing didn't work out... and believe you me; with TC as a daddy, that baby is going to be "special".

[Hodgepodge]

7 of 9? OMG! Jeri Ryan is hot! I'll be back in a moment.

Leuthen, I'd forgotten just how hot Jery Ryan is. I don't want to take this threadjack to far, but was her now, disgraced/Republican/ex-husband, trying to hook her up with other men, women, or both?

And Nokomis, that's the one! I got to have it! Gi'me, gi'me, gi'me! :)

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
Leuthen, I'd forgotten just how hot Jery Ryan is. I don't want to take this threadjack to far, but was her now, disgraced/Republican/ex-husband, trying to hook her up with other men, women, or both?


He also wanted to have sex with her in public places, as well as night clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Geez, is that all. I would want to.....nevermind.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

And Nokomis, that's the one! I got to have it! Gi'me, gi'me, gi'me!

well.... if you can find a better picture of it.... and a new Vincent pic (if you want) I'll try to actually do a better job making the av. :) PM me with them. :)

[Hodgepodge]

You know what I find amazing? Sayids torture of Gale and the thought that Sayid can get information out of people. Information gathered via torture is notoriously unreliable. Give a man the proper motivational speech, and he will confess to anything.
I too believe that Cap'n DohBoy has the right idea -it wouldn't be all that hard for pretty much anyone who's been in the island for a while to come upon the balloon wreck, maybe even a male corpse and the relatively fresh grave of a woman, find the IDs and voilà! Perfect cover to infiltrate the 815s...I definitely agree! Once a search is made of the coordinates given by Henry Gale. The balloon and his so-called wife's grave will be found. I'd like to know what Jack, Locke, and Sayid are going to do then?


...Now, where I part ways with many of you here (sorry, Hodgepodge!), is on the idea that Dharma exists outside of the island at this point in time, and that it brought this specific group of people there. I can't help but think that if Dharma was that widespread, that powerful, they wouldn't have left all the heroin in the Beechcraft for the 815s to find...
Well AZ, Juanbong and I have requested a little help with our Where in the World is the Dharma logo? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16016) thread. Hopefully we'll be able to answer that question with some certainty in the near future.

AZ, I've got a scenaro for ya! I've always thought Zeke and his crew knew the rafters departure time. They knew where to look for Walt. But their are some who speculate, Zeke et al, check the waters around the island regularly. I don't know where you stand on this debate. But, under either circumstance, where are they getting the fuel to power their boat?

And Scientology forbids the use of mind altering drugs! :no-no:

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Hodge..... I'd like to know how the ''list'' I offered of the people who had their tickets purchased for them fits in with your theories? Is it probable that this many outside (the island) people are involved? Would that mean these people were targeted from birth? And, what explains the fact that some of them bought their own tickets?

[moonshadow707]

Originally posted by NokomisIsABadRobot
Come to think of it..... Sayid's now 0 for 2 in the torture dept. Perhaps he should find another line of work...no?
Someone in another thread (can't remember where) made a remark about Sayid having three strikes in the torture department. By my count:
Nadia - no luck.
Sawyer - didn't Sawyer say "okay - I'll tell Kate" because of what Sayid did (or threatened to do)? He didn't have the inhalers, but at least he told Kate that. Semi-successful, in my view.
Henry - no luck.
Tariq (his commanding officer) - he got the info about the missing pilot from him. We can only assume it was correct, since they didn't follow up on it in "One of Them".

Originally posted by Leuthen
Sayid had the right line of questioning, he just didn't have enough time IMO.
Seems to me like he had all kinds of time, if he hadn't lost his temper and started beating the guy. There was no reason I can think of why they needed answers from him right away... like Nokomis said, he could have caught him in a lie eventually. Torturing Sawyer was different - Shannon was in a life-threatening situation and they needed the inhalers ASAP.

[Brian]

Seems to me like he had all kinds of time, if he hadn't lost his temper and started beating the guy. There was no reason I can think of why they needed answers from him right away... like Nokomis said, he could have caught him in a lie eventually. Torturing Sawyer was different - Shannon was in a life-threatening situation and they needed the inhalers ASAP.
True, there is a huge difference in the two times Sayid was looking for information. I guess I can agree that Sayid possibly used the wrong approach with HG, sure. I think the better person to send in there, and I really thought it was gonna be more than it was when he did go in, is Eko. That guy could sell ice to Eskimoes I bet. Also, the very way HG acted when Eko was in there led me to believe he'd be more forthcoming with information, of any kind. Eko has a presence when he's on screen that makes everyone else pale in comparison.

[Hodgepodge]

Hodge..... I'd like to know how the ''list'' I offered of the people who had their tickets purchased for them fits in with your theories? Is it probable that this many outside (the island) people are involved? Would that mean these people were targeted from birth? And, what explains the fact that some of them bought their own tickets?SHBL, has this theory that our survivors, were all in the same facility at one time. Probably not together, but some hospital, clinic, or somewhere. And I happen to like this particular theory. I've always liked the idea of them all being in Foster Care at one time too.

Nokomis, have you heard the one about that Pontiac Bonneville, which hit Michael in Special? Bumped in Locke in Deus Ex Machina? And, got creamed by Kate in Born to Run?

Have you read the thread that speculates certain pairing may've been sought and manipulated? In order to obtain these "Special/good ones"? I'm talking about:

1. Michael + Susan = Walt
2. Claire + Thomas = Aaron
3. Wayne + Diane = Kate

I know Homer likes the idea Brian went after Susan to watch Walt. Remember, her first station was Amesterdam. Which happens to be the home of Alvar Hanso, financial backer of the Dharma Initiative.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Nokomis, have you heard the one about that Pontiac Bonneville, which hit Michael in Special? Bumped in Locke in Deus Ex Machina? And, got creamed by Kate in Born to Run?

Have you read the thread that speculates certain pairing may've been sought and manipulated? In order to obtain these "Special/good ones"? I'm talking about:

I heard that the writers said it was a koinkidink that the same car was used. (and cheaper too)
I dont like that explaination because I want them to all be connected in the real world. In fact, I think the writers lie through their teeth about stuff like that whenever someone guesses too closely to the truth. It's as if some people expect them to say ..''Damn!! you got it!!'' and hand out a prize to whomever figures it out. I'm picturing at the end of the series.. several people after finding out what the mystery really is.. throwing a big ass hissy fit because they guessed if 6 years earlier and were told no.

As for the other threads..... I went into T and S about a year ago.... I read a theory that was so bordering on what the show could really be about that I left it feeling spoiled, and very very rarely barely ventured in there again. I'd be interested in checking out the threads you mentioned... IF they arent spoilerish, and IF they arn't sci-fi-ish. Got a link?

[Warthawg1]

In fact, I think the writers lie through their teeth about stuff like that whenever someone guesses too closely to the truth. It's as if some people expect them to say ..''Damn!! you got it!!'' and hand out a prize to whomever figures it out. I'm picturing at the end of the series.. several people after finding out what the mystery really is.. throwing a big ass hissy fit because they guessed if 6 years earlier and were told no.

*cough PURGATORY *cough

[rvturnage]

The diary as it is written, is not being "controled" by TPTB. However, it is an "official" extension of Lost. That being said, there is some debate about the Season 2 diary writer and whether they are an other or a lostie

That was true early on in season one, but is no longer the case. The diary is now (and has been for a while) written by the same two people that wrote "maternity leave", Dawn Lambertsen Kelly & Matt Ragghianti .

Q&A about the diary w/Raggs (Matt Ragghianti):

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=33434&highlight=diary

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19669&highlight=diary

[juanbong]

rvturnage,
The links don't seem to work. They say page not found.

[Brian]

They're broken links, jb. rvturnage, please try to fix the links as many are interested in reading it. Thank you! :)

[Hodgepodge]

...I dont like that explaination because I want them to all be connected in the real world. In fact, I think the writers lie through their teeth about stuff like that whenever someone guesses too closely to the truth. It's as if some people expect them to say ..''Damn!! you got it!!'' and hand out a prize to whomever figures it out. I'm picturing at the end of the series.. several people after finding out what the mystery really is.. throwing a big ass hissy fit because they guessed if 6 years earlier and were told no.Nokomis, there was a thread posted around the middle of S1. 'If you could ask TPTB one question, what question would it be?' My question then, as it is now, 'what's the connection between the survivors?' I've said it more than once. If I never find out what "Smokey" is, I could live it. But let there not be a connection between them, and I'll be mad forever. :mad:

I came to the realization a long time ago, I thrive on the characters, not the mystery. That's probably why I spend so much time here on the C&CD board. Plus, everytime I spend more than a few minutes in T&S, I get a headache! :headache:


...As for the other threads..... I went into T and S about a year ago.... I read a theory that was so bordering on what the show could really be about that I left it feeling spoiled, and very very rarely barely ventured in there again. I'd be interested in checking out the threads you mentioned... IF they arent spoilerish, and IF they arn't sci-fi-ish. Got a link?While on the subject of the T&S forum. I bet I know what happened to you! At one time, members would visit the Spoiler forum, then make up theories and speculations on what they read. That's one of the reasons we came up with the TS symbol. This theory includes spoiler information. Hopefully, its still in use.

I'll see if I can come up with those threads I mentioned in my previous post. I'll edit this post, and provide you with links.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

*cough PURGATORY *cough
See now I was going to add that 'word' that to my earlier reply...... but was scuurred to!:p I knew someone would though.....
and I don't rule it out.
I've said it more than once. If I never find out what "Smokey" is, I could live it. But let there not be a connection between them, and I'll be mad forever.
YESYESYESYESYES!! They better explain that if nothing else! I can't believe how low my interest is in Dharma. All I see it as is a means to connect the charactors. I could care less if it is a scientific program, a study of people program, or a medical program. Just as long as it (or something) joins these people!

While on the subject of the T&S forum. I bet I know what happened to you!
That could be because this 'theory' was unfreaken believable. Very long, very well thought out, and I got only about 1/4 of the way down the page when I jetted out of there. (Think Germans)
I'll look for the links you post, but could you make a new reply? I usually come back into this thread at the same place I left it so I might not remember to scroll back to catch them. :Cowdance:

forgot to add:
That's probably why I spend so much time here on the C&CD board.
Now that I know these boards arent just for squeeeeeeeeeing over your fav charactor.... I'll probably join you.

[Brian]

Nokomis, there was a thread posted around the middle of S1. 'If you could ask TPTB one question, what question would it be?' My question then, as it is now, 'what's the connection between the survivors?' I've said it more than once. If I never find out what "Smokey" is, I could live it. But let there not be a connection between them, and I'll be mad forever. :mad:
I couldn't help it Hodge, I had to find that thread, and here it is. (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2505) Like you, I agree there has to be a connection between the survivors and if LOST goes off the air without explaining it, I'll be just as pissed as you! ;)

(ETA - That thread is in the GD (General Discussion) Archives so I don't think you're able to post to it. I linked to it to congratulate Hodge on his excellent memory, even I'd forgotten that thread.)

[rvturnage]

They're broken links, jb. rvturnage, please try to fix the links as many are interested in reading it. Thank you! :)

Sorry...they've been fixed. and, here they are again, so you don't have to go back and find them:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=33434&highlight=diary

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19669&highlight=diary

[Brian]

Thanks for fixing them rvturnage. As a side note, reading that place still does weird things to my eyes. Gah, the colors. :)

[Michelle]

Interesting coincidence with the balloon story. Does it mean he's lying? Or is this a hint that there will there be a similarly ill-fated escape attempt from the island?

[juanbong]

Hello and :welcome: Michelle to the Lost forum. If you haven't already, please take a moment and read over the guidelines, located here...http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2
Have fun and again, :welcome:
As for your inquiry/statement, yes there are many threads with this same point. You might want to check this thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14841) for any theories that support your ideas. Enjoy the board!

[Brian]

Merging with the "Making sense of Henry Gale" thread in C&CD. Please continue there.

[azteclady]

Bringing the thread back to Henry Gale... if he turns out to have nothing to do with the Others, then he must have a death wish. His taunting of Locke and Jack over the cereal was so priceless!

[Celtic Ceilidh]

I agree with you, AZ. Just when his captors were relenting a bit and let him out of his "cell", why on earth would he want to stir things up with them and make it sound like he's an Other?

[azteclady]

And if he does not so little about the circumstances in Craphole Island, then how does he come up with such an apropos scenario as the trap he described to Jack and Locke?

[Hodgepodge]

Bringing the thread back to Henry Gale... if he turns out to have nothing to do with the Others, then he must have a death wish. His taunting of Locke and Jack over the cereal was so priceless!AZ, it has to be one of the funniest moments in Lost history. He's eating the cereal dry (my children do it too), then turns to Jack and Locke. "Got milk?" :rotfl: :rotfl: I screamed out loud.

And I agree! If he isn't an "Other", he's really stupid! But we've already gone through this scenario. Ana-Lucia, Charlie, and Sayid will definitely find the remains of the balloon.

[Warthawg1]

I am really enjoying the character Henry Gale. That is all.

[Zeek]

I think he almost has to be an other. There's no reason for an innocent person to taunt Locke and Jack like that.

I think Henry is hard to read because he believes what he's saying is the truth. He doesn't think he's an other as the losties have described them. He said something like "these murderous others you speak of". In Gale's mind his group is good. The losties are the savages. He may really have crashed on the island like he said or maybe he's just using that story from some other crash. Either way I think he's an other of some kind. Possibly another group of others like we've all speculated might exist. Once again making his story of not being one of the "others" true to him.

Whatever his real story is, the guy's not just some innocent survivor of a crash.

[mitchlflik]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD:

In my opinion, it is really a matter of the facts we have about the others that makes Henry Gale an other.

In Claire's last ep., we see Kate open the locker with the Zeke's "wardrobe" for when he is obviously putting on an act, i.e beard, hat, etc. That alone makes it impossible to put it past the others that many other things on the island are staged or almost just stage sets for their performance.

I believe that the balloon, the grave, and the entire story Henry Gale has told them is completely contrived specifically for the purpose of infiltrating the Losties. It's really not THAT elaborate of a plan for it to be far fetched by anyone's imagination at this point in LOST. Put a balloon in a tree, a grave nearby, create a storyline that with even the most intense questioning is nearly bulletproof, choose an actor to play Henry Gale. He's been on the island with Dharma or whomever long enough to obviously be able to draw a map, let alone have it be part of his storyline. He just knows everything in detail so well suddenly after not having a clue during initial questioning by Sayid. He's an other in my book. Done and done.

Henry Gale or whoever he may really be is just too good of an ACTOR, in real life and as an other towards the Losties, to be some guy who traveled on a hot air balloon with his wife and ended up on the island. Not to say that is impossible and I'm perfectly right, but my theory works too. Could also explain a lot of other things on the island, i.e., the hatches and what is inside of them, Desmond, who knows...but it's just a theory right?

Essentially, the others are just acting to protect their community/experiment/society/whatever the hell they are doing on the island.

[Hodgepodge]

I think he almost has to be an other. There's no reason for an innocent person to taunt Locke and Jack like that.

I think Henry is hard to read because he believes what he's saying is the truth. He doesn't think he's an other as the losties have described them. He said something like "these murderous others you speak of". In Gale's mind his group is good. The losties are the savages. He may really have crashed on the island like he said or maybe he's just using that story from some other crash. Either way I think he's an other of some kind. Possibly another group of others like we've all speculated might exist. Once again making his story of not being one of the "others" true to him.

Whatever his real story is, the guy's not just some innocent survivor of a crash.You've got a good point Zeek! Supposedly, that's how you beat a lie-detector, is to actually believe what you're saying.

We have yet to add Goodwin and his group. Along with LIW's Tarzans, to any group. So maybe, as you say, he's part of one of those. I've said it more than once. You need a program to know the players! :Booky:

[Agent of Dharma]

There are several threads floating around debating Gale's "Other"-ness. It seems that the great majority of those on this board are convinced he is an Other. That, in and of itself, makes me suspicious--TPTB never lead us clearly down a single path without a few twists and turns.

Let's take a simple tally: Do you think that Henry Gale is or is not an other?

You can, but need not, justify your vote.

[Hodgepodge]

As you said Agent of Dharma, there are quite a few threads discussing Henry Gale's allegiance. There's even a Poll asking your question here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14829)!

[Agent of Dharma]

Ouch! Mods -- Please nuke this thread at your first convenience.

[Son of Locke]

Bringing the thread back to Henry Gale... if he turns out to have nothing to do with the Others, then he must have a death wish. His taunting of Locke and Jack over the cereal was so priceless!Thanks for the redirect, AZ. And thanks for the original direct, Hodge, from Yung's Why Prophets and Martyrs? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16422) thread. My head is spinning at the moment with images of Henry, Thomas, and Malkin all being genetically related...

What I really am thinking about now is what role Gale is playing -- not so much in terms of the group as a whole, but in his individual interactions? Most of our threads tend to see Gale from the 815 POV, regardless of where they sense his "allegiance lies."

But aside from his obvious attempts to shake up the leadership dynamic and test the strength of the group will, he is also attempting to steer his 1-on-1's with Jack, Locke, Sayid, Eko, and now Ana-Lucia in a deliberate, (if unclear) almost therapeutic direction. Can't the things he says be construed to help them as individuals? I see him reaching out to them. Yes, as a hostage it serves his escape plan to humanize himself and build a relationship with his captor, but I can't shake the notion that he is challenging each of them, and not only as an adversary.

That's all for now, I'll try to back that up with some research. But I do have one last remark, for Leuthen.

Eko has a presence when he's on screen that makes everyone else pale in comparison.(my emphasis) I feel like I'm the only boy in a room full of girls at the irony dance. I can't decide which one to pick first! :rotfl:

[Zeek]

OK so here's one that I hadn't thought of.

Henry Gale has the sickness. Since we don't know the symptoms at all there is no way to be sure, but it could be a catch all to explain his behavior. What if those who are sick don't experience pain or fear death? That could be why he wouldn't be afraid to taunt his captors. It could mean his story about the balloon and everything is true. Though if he's sick I bet he killed his wife.

The only real shred of evidence I have for this one is Danielle. She knew Sayid wasn't sick. So, she knows what the symptoms are. She said Henry was "one of them" right? We all assumed that meant an other. Thought Danielle admited herself that she has never seen an other. So, maybe "one of them" meant someone with the sickness. Now why she would think Sayid should ask him questions is a little more shakey. Perhaps to find out how he got sick? Maybe so that Sayid can observe the symptoms. She did tell him to watch his people closely. Maybe she just wanted him to be able to see what a sick person acted like.

Will the big reveal be Danielle's shocked look when she hears that Sayid beat Henry? Meaning that Sayid will contract the sickness himself.

[juanbong]

After watching The Whole Truth and seeing the previews for this weeks show, Gale is becoming more and more of a character that is facinating. He gives A-L a map of where the balloon is located, and somehow he figures out that she wouldn't tell Jack and Locke. Then at the end of the episode, he lays out the framework of what could possibly take place over the next couple of weeks. Very interesting plotline. But here's something that hasn't been said (of may not come out). Gale could have easily set up the balloon or captured whoever did crash in the balloon. Sounds feasible. But why not give a map to where he buried Jennifer, his wife? He remembered where the balloon was located but tells Sayid he doesn't know the details of burying his wife. Finding the balloon is one thing, but finding the grave is another. Now I know that just finding the mound could also be a ruse, but I would think Gale would mention the grave site to make it look more like he is telling the truth. Just throwing that out there, with no +/- on Gale. Just observation.

[Hodgepodge]

...What I really am thinking about now is what role Gale is playing -- not so much in terms of the group as a whole, but in his individual interactions? Most of our threads tend to see Gale from the 815 POV, regardless of where they sense his "allegiance lies."...You know SoL, I've tried looking at this situation from his POV, and I get stuck at the same place everytime. Why would a person put himself through this ordeal? If he wasn't telling the truth! Someone mentioned in another thread, Henry must be stupid, to be allowed a little freedom, and weave that tale about an ambush. And I have to agree. There is something wrong with the guy, I just can't put my finger on it.


...But aside from his obvious attempts to shake up the leadership dynamic and test the strength of the group will, he is also attempting to steer his 1-on-1's with Jack, Locke, Sayid, Eko, and now Ana-Lucia in a deliberate, (if unclear) almost therapeutic direction. Can't the things he says be construed to help them as individuals? I see him reaching out to them. Yes, as a hostage it serves his escape plan to humanize himself and build a relationship with his captor, but I can't shake the notion that he is challenging each of them, and not only as an adversary...Lets analyze each of his visitor confrontations:

His first encounter is with Sayid. Sayid carries him back to the hatch, where he locks himself and Henry in the armory. I can't imagine what a man thinks when someone introduces themselves like this. "My name is Sayid Jarrah, and I am a torturer." I'm convinced by the look on Henry's face, he wasn't expecting that type of introduction. The fear was overwhelming. You could see it in his eyes. Sayid commences to beat him within an inch of his life. Until Jack pulls him off.

Sayid goes on to explain to Charlie why he knows Gale is an "Other". "I know because I feel no guilt for what I did to him. But there is no way I can ever explain that to Jack, or even Locke, because both of them have forgotten." "Forgotten? What?", Charlie asks. "That you were strung up by your neck and left for dead. That Claire was taken and kept for days during which god only know what happened to her. That these people -- these Others -- are merciless, and can take any one of us whenever they choose. So tell me, Charlie, have you forgotten?"

He next encounters Eko in Maternity Leave. This is where Eko decides he needs to confess to Henry. "The first night I spent on this island I was dragged into the jungle by 2 men. They never spoke a word to me, nor I to them. I killed these men -- smashed in their head with a stone, felt their blood on my arms. I need you to know how sorry I am for this. I need you to know that I am back on the righteous path now. And that I regret my actions. I ask you for your forgiveness." Eko, then pulls out his long-ass knife and cuts off his twin beard-locks. Another fear element! Henry is afraid for his life when Eko pulls out that knife. I think he fears it's the end. Then Henry taunts Locke with the idea Jack is the leader and makes all the decisions. We all remember Locke's dish tantrum.

His last visual visitor is Ana-Lucia. But I'm sure we can assume he's been asked some quesitons by both Jack and Locke. He does admit the fact when he tells her they all have asked him to draw a map. I asked this question in another thread. Why did he choose to draw the map for Ana-Lucia? What does she represent that the others didn't? Now we can talk about these encounters in context of the events involved.

[Zeek]

His last visual visitor is Ana-Lucia. But I'm sure we can assume he's been asked some quesitons by both Jack and Locke. He does admit the fact when he tells her they all have asked him to draw a map. I asked this question in another thread. Why did he choose to draw the map for Ana-Lucia? What does she represent that the others didn't? Now we can talk about these encounters in context of the events involved.
It's such a hard question to answer. The problem is we don't have any way to understand Gale's perspective.

Let's say he is an other. Maybe they wanted Ana Lucia for their trap. Maybe he knew that if he gave the map to Sayid he'd tell Jack and Locke. Maybe he know that Eko would just throw it away since he'd already come to his own conclusions. This is also assuming the others know a lot about everyone in the camp.

Let's say his story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Then the only thing Ana could represent is the first seemingly reasonable person he's met. He had one dude beat him and another pull out a knife while talking to him. Ana looked like Ghandi compared to those two (from Henry's point of view of course...little does he know that when she gets her hands on a gun she becomes the punisher).

Let's say he's a total wack job. Maybe he crashed in a balloon. Maybe he just found one. Maybe there isn't one at all. Maybe he just wanted to send the losties on a wild goose chase because it makes him laugh inside. He sure seems to enjoy entertaining himself at the expense of others (not those others...just other people).

[Son of Locke]

Hodge, your fear idea makes sense. Certainly Jack and Locke have given him no reason to fear them, and Ana does seem to be someone to fear less than Sayid or Eko. If he's not an Other. If he is, he'd know about Goodwin. And something more about Eko's victims, which would give him a stronger sense of just how dangerous these people are.

My take is that even better than splitting the leadership in two (between giving the map to Jack or Locke) is triangulating it. He was right on when he suspected that it would a) piss them off and b) immediately suspect each other. Why not give it to Sayid? Certainly Sayid would want to verify the grave story. But he'll likely go anyway. So why not get as many people a) away from the hatch/beach, and b) into as many factions as possible? I wonder if anyone would try to go back to the medical hatch to look for any other clues?

It's an interesting trio, Sayid, Ana, and Charlie--the group all has reason to mistrust them, or worse. I doubt Gale could have seen it coming (Charlie's participation, unless he was indeed, an Other, or privy to their info), but if that group were allowed to coalesce around itself, Jack could forget about his "Locke" problem.

[Hodgepodge]

...But here's something that hasn't been said (of may not come out). Gale could have easily set up the balloon or captured whoever did crash in the balloon. Sounds feasible. But why not give a map to where he buried Jennifer, his wife? He remembered where the balloon was located but tells Sayid he doesn't know the details of burying his wife. Finding the balloon is one thing, but finding the grave is another. Now I know that just finding the mound could also be a ruse, but I would think Gale would mention the grave site to make it look more like he is telling the truth. Just throwing that out there, with no +/- on Gale. Just observation.Not sure if it was you Juan, but someone brought up the notion Heny should know the details of his wife's burial. How deep he buried her. Where exactly he buried her. I remember stating, it doesn't bother me he doesn't know the exact depth of the grave. If true, it was prbably a very traumatic experience. Filled with a lot of emotions. So that part never concerned me. What does concern me is where. And he explains in the conversation with Ana-Lucia, to my satisfaction, where he buried Jennifer.

Henry Gale is vacillating about the location of the balloon. So, Ana-Lucia comes right out and asks the question. "Do you or do you not know where it is?" "Yeah, I know where it is. I went back there to bury my wife." Ana-Lucia asks, "Why you do that?" "Because our balloon was the closest thing we had to home..." So, my assumption is, the trio will find the balloon, and a grave nearby.


...Let's say his story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Then the only thing Ana could represent is the first seemingly reasonable person he's met. He had one dude beat him and another pull out a knife while talking to him. Ana looked like Ghandi compared to those two (from Henry's point of view of course...little does he know that when she gets her hands on a gun she becomes the punisher)...So, you're thinking good cop, bad cop! That makes sense. I know I'd tell her anything she wanted to know, just because she's hot. But, I'm easy that way! :)

You're probably right Zeek, but don't forget the story she told him. "On the other side of the island there was this guy with us. I was 100 percent convinced that he wasn't on the plane. So I dug a whole and I threw him in it." Henry asks, what happened? "I was wrong. And now he's dead." That wouldn't sit well with an interrogatee.


Hodge, your fear idea makes sense. Certainly Jack and Locke have given him no reason to fear them, and Ana does seem to be someone to fear less than Sayid or Eko. If he's not an Other. If he is, he'd know about Goodwin. And something more about Eko's victims, which would give him a stronger sense of just how dangerous these people are...That's assuming there's only one group of "Others", and I'm not sure that's the case. I can't put my finger on it, but I get the feeling Goodwin may not have been a part of Zeek and Ethan's crew. I've alwasy suspected there's a couple of groups vying for control of the island. Maybe they're rejects from Dharma's experiments. Maybe they've banded together to stop the Initiative. If you think about it, whey would they let kids run loose out in the opened unsupervised? We already know Alex helped Claire escape from the medical facility. Maybe Henry is a part of another group opposed to the goings on, on the island.


...My take is that even better than splitting the leadership in two (between giving the map to Jack or Locke) is triangulating it. He was right on when he suspected that it would a) piss them off and b) immediately suspect each other. Why not give it to Sayid? Certainly Sayid would want to verify the grave story. But he'll likely go anyway. So why not get as many people a) away from the hatch/beach, and b) into as many factions as possible? I wonder if anyone would try to go back to the medical hatch to look for any other clues?...SoL, he's playing them like a violin. It's unimaginable, but you're right. It's like he knows the end game. He's just trying to get past the opening moves.

[Sun's Man]

Goodwin and Ethan were both after lists. I think that points to them being on the same team.

I think Henry Gale is telling the truth. His taunting of Jack and Locke is probably just part of his hopelessness.

"Either way you end up dead." -Jack

"That's the spirit." -Gale

He believes there's a death sentence looming over his head and there's nothing he can do about it. So he hates these stupid people who won't believe him. Why not throw in a few verbal jabs when you get the chance? What do you have to lose?

[Zeek]

Goodwin and Ethan were both after lists. I think that points to them being on the same team.

I think Henry Gale is telling the truth. His taunting of Jack and Locke is probably just part of his hopelessness.

"Either way you end up dead." -Jack

"That's the spirit." -Gale

He believes there's a death sentence looming over his head and there's nothing he can do about it. So he hates these stupid people who won't believe him. Why not throw in a few verbal jabs when you get the chance? What do you have to lose?
I don't buy that. There are a lot worse things that can happen to a person than to die. Sayid can make Henry's life a living hell. That's much worse than death IMO. If Henry cares at all about his wife they could go and defile her grave just to be jerks. They could poison his food so he's constantly in pain.

Even if I thought I was going to die, I'd rather die less painfully if possible.

[Sun's Man]

You really think you'd be kissing their rears? This man walks away from his fortune to pursue a dream of ballooning across the ocean, loses his wife to some awful sickness and has been roaming the jungle all by himself. He finally comes across some semblance of civilization only to find that it is very un-civilized! He's told his story more than once, this last time to AL with a dejected futility. This hopelessness is coming out in his sarcasm.

There IS a balloon. We've seen it in the preview. Yeah, yeah, many have said that it could be part of some elaborate hoax, but why go through all the trouble? Why send in another mole? Ethan and Goodwin got them some intel and now they're dead. Seems like they have a bunch of info on the losties, based on their meeting with Zeke by torchlight. They have Walt. What more do they need to accomplish by sending in a mole?

[Hodgepodge]

Sun's Man, let me welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Make sure to read the Welcome forum, it's easy to get lost. Now to your post.


Goodwin and Ethan were both after lists. I think that points to them being on the same team.

I think Henry Gale is telling the truth. His taunting of Jack and Locke is probably just part of his hopelessness.

"Either way you end up dead." -Jack

"That's the spirit." -Gale

He believes there's a death sentence looming over his head and there's nothing he can do about it. So he hates these stupid people who won't believe him. Why not throw in a few verbal jabs when you get the chance? What do you have to lose?You know Sun's Man, I'd forgotten about the lists. That does make sense. I even started a thread talking about The List! (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10435) awhile back.

Although, Henry maybe a smartass, I think there's something else going on. I will admit, his story is so lame, it has to be true. So, you think he's like the rest of the survivors on the island? A victim!

And again, :welcome:

[Sun's Man]

Thanks for the welcome, Hodge!

Yeah, I believe he's another unfortunate victim. But not only a victim of the island's/Dharma's powers, but also a victim of the losties. He was on another part of the island where the monster doesn't seem to lurk and the whispers don't happen (I don't remember the tallies hearing whispers until they got close to the fronties' camp). He had no dealings with the others because they weren't interested in him and his wife. Why no interest?

No children.

[Hodgepodge]

Thanks for the welcome, Hodge!

Yeah, I believe he's another unfortunate victim. But not only a victim of the island's/Dharma's powers, but also a victim of the losties. He was on another part of the island where the monster doesn't seem to lurk and the whispers don't happen (I don't remember the tallies hearing whispers until they got close to the fronties' camp). He had no dealings with the others because they weren't interested in him and his wife. Why no interest?

No children.I see where you're going here! That would account for why Danielle has been able to elude the "Others" for 16-years. They already have Alex, why do they need to bother with her.

Although, we do get the impression from the conversation between Goodwin and Ana-Lucia, there were more people on the list to be taken. "Nathan was not a good person. That's why he wasn't on the list." Also, how do you account for the conversation between Zeek and Ethan? "...You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?" I think the "Others" are still looking for particular survivors.

[Sun's Man]

Goodwin implied that they were after the "good" people. There is much debate as to what "good" means. Good for experiments? Brain washing? Good adversaries (so let's get them out of the way first)? All we know is that they definitely wanted the children. The tallies that were taken are basically shrouded in mystery. We have no back stories, nor did "The Other 48 Days" shed much light into their personalities, strengths and weaknesses. But we DO know that Claire was pregnant when she was taken, and they wanted her baby.

So... it is very possible that Henry was hangin' out in his little corner of the island, oblivious to all the action, and he was absolutely no threat to the others. He gets bored and decides to do some exploring when--whammo!--he finds himself in Danielle's net. Bad news: trap. Good news: there must be people on the island! Maybe some hope comes upon him and he see's another human for the first time in a long time. Then he's shot with an arrow, accused of being "one of them" and tortured. Dude's been all by himself, not seeing any signs of humanity and these crazy people are talking about some "others" that do bad things!

Gale thinks he's a dead man, no matter what AL, Sayid and Charlie find.

[HariSeldon]

Unfortunately you guys are dead wrong that Henry Gale is not an other and will be proven wrong beginning with tonights episode. Something is going to be found to not add up to his story and at some point in the remainder of the season they will torture and possibly (Sayid) kill him. There is no way someone with his demeanor and complete lack of curiostity about crucial details is not an other. He will be found out tonight I am very certain.

My guess is that he has been sent by the others to tamper with Locke for reasons we will find out in the next few episodes.

[Sun's Man]

What could possibly be found? We know there will be a balloon. I'm sure there'll be a grave. Out of respect for the dead, they won't dig it up, then most everyone here will be saying that we don't know for sure about the grave! :irked:

[Sun's Man]

Well... unless they do dig it up. Sayid is so convinced that he is an other that he might need to confirm it. But they'll find Mrs. Gale and everyone will feel really bad. Especially Sayid, since he has made multiple promises to never torture again. And now he has really blown it.

But wouldn't it be just like LOST to throw in some funky twist!

[juanbong]

So, to recap...we know know that Gale is an other, but not from which other camp. Some posters, like myself, believe there are two sets of others. And perhaps not an other like we tend to think (as in could be a pawn in all this mess). The black light map comes out once Gale inputs the numbers (he says he inputs the way Locke wants him to). Something about the whole thing still doesn't add up. I think Gale needs that map or something within the hatch. He still seems like he doesn't know a thing about the hatch or its contents ( but then again, he has played into the Losties hands so far.). I will be looking for a screen cap of the map in the morning.

[PhantomPhase]

I think Henry Gale is Libby's brother. And I think there is a chance that he made it possible for Locke to see the map.

[Shardyk]

Hmm.... I'm thinking it's not Libby. It's probably going to be someone we haven't seen before.

But if it is Libby, then it's a good twist.

[Zeek]

Well that was a let down on Henry. I'm really getting discouraged with Lost. We all go around saying "nothing is what it seems". Yet this whole season everything has been exactly as it seems.

We think "man that Eko guy might be a priest" yep priest. "Hmmm I wonder if someone else shot shannon and they just played us to think it was Ana" nope really was Ana. "Surely Henry couldn't really be an other" yep other. LAME!


Anyway now I wonder what Henry was after. The list of fusies? Was he trying to recruit Locke? He seemed pretty obsessed with Locke and was trying to help him. As far as we know Locke is a "good" person. Maybe Henry just wanted into the hatch. Could he be Kelvin?

[juanbong]

I have thought that maybe Gale is looking for the blacklight map as well as possibly a list of the "good" Losties. It was too conveinent for him to just run out after what happened. Locke was hurt and no one else was around for a while. Gale could have easily left and not been found again (well, depending on how untrackable he really is or how clumsy). Gale wants something, what I am not sure of yet. However, in the previews from last night's show for next week, we see Gale making mention of the fact that "He'll kill me". Now the funny thing about this is, he seems more scared about the Him killing Gale than the Losties doing the killing. Almost like Gale knew that no matter what goes down in the hatch, he surely wouldn't die.

[Sun's Man]

Okay, so I was wrong about HG. Shoot me. No, shoot HIM!

[Hodgepodge]

Well... unless they do dig it up. Sayid is so convinced that he is an other that he might need to confirm it. But they'll find Mrs. Gale and everyone will feel really bad. Especially Sayid, since he has made multiple promises to never torture again. And now he has really blown it.

But wouldn't it be just like LOST to throw in some funky twist!Well, you got your twist Sun's Man! For some reason I didn't expect anyone to dig up the grave, but Sayid's a thorough man. Not sure what to make of the findings.


So, to recap...we know know that Gale is an other, but not from which other camp. Some posters, like myself, believe there are two sets of others. And perhaps not an other like we tend to think (as in could be a pawn in all this mess)...I happen to agree with you Juan. It's apparent now, Henry's an other. But like you, I don't think he's an "Other". Part of the Zeek and Ethan crew. That may not be good enough to save his life. The look on Sayid's face said "revenge".


...The black light map comes out once Gale inputs the numbers (he says he inputs the way Locke wants him to). Something about the whole thing still doesn't add up. I think Gale needs that map or something within the hatch. He still seems like he doesn't know a thing about the hatch or its contents ( but then again, he has played into the Losties hands so far.).I can't figure the guy out Juan. I hate even commenting on the blacklight scene, but I think he just inputted the numbers just like he told Locke. Remember, that whole scenario started while Henry was locked in the armory. But boy, we've been wrong before.


Well that was a let down on Henry. I'm really getting discouraged with Lost. We all go around saying "nothing is what it seems". Yet this whole season everything has been exactly as it seems...
...Anyway now I wonder what Henry was after. The list of fusies? Was he trying to recruit Locke? He seemed pretty obsessed with Locke and was trying to help him. As far as we know Locke is a "good" person. Maybe Henry just wanted into the hatch. Could he be Kelvin?As I said above Zeek, I still think we're missing something. It's obvious now, Henry is an other, but again, I don't think he's an "Other".

And you've come up with some excellent questions. We'll have to wait for the end game. That's if Sayid and the other survivors let Henry live long enough to explain.


I have thought that maybe Gale is looking for the blacklight map as well as possibly a list of the "good" Losties. It was too conveinent for him to just run out after what happened. Locke was hurt and no one else was around for a while. Gale could have easily left and not been found again (well, depending on how untrackable he really is or how clumsy). Gale wants something, what I am not sure of yet...This is a good point Juan. He could've easily left Locke there to die. But he came back and helped him to his feet. Although, I did become aware of the time Locke was calling his name and he didn't answer. Was he taking a look around for those few seconds?

[igator210]

I'm more convinced now that the fake Henry Gale is not an other.

If he was an "other" he could have just used his real name and the Losties wouldn't have know anything else. Instead, he pulls a Kate and assumes the identity if a dead person. The only reason to assume another identity is if you were hiding from something.

Now, if Henry was an escapee from Dharma, a fake name would't work because they'd know he really is.

I'm starting to think he is on the run from something, happened across the real Henry Gale (either dead or alive) and assumed his identity.

[juanbong]

Damn server getting full!!! This is the second post that has been deleted.. Damnit!!
Let me try this again...

Quoted by Hodge:
I can't figure the guy out Juan. I hate even commenting on the blacklight scene, but I think he just inputted the numbers just like he told Locke. Remember, that whole scenario started while Henry was locked in the armory. But boy, we've been wrong before.


Since Henry was locked away in the armory, I don't think he started the reaction because I do feel that the freak-out was due to the food balloon drop taking place. Now why it happened, you got me. But, I do think that Henry either input the numbers and then did something else while in the computer room or didn't input the numbers and did something else to cause the blacklight to come on, and the doors to be lifted. Henry was gone a little while, like you mentioned Hodge, to "look around" for something. Again, what I do not know.
The other thing I don't understand is this....Gale falls down and is knocked unconscious for a while and then gets up and goes through the air duct and finds the computer room and inputs the numbers (if that is what he does). If this is the case, then Gale has an excellent memory to remember 6 different numbers, press execute, plus remember where the computer room is located (go through the duct and take a left, I believe Locke mentioned). Alright, then why does Gale wake up and ask Locke, "How long was I out?"? Something is not right with this picture. I remember Locke freaking out and not inputting the numbers in correctly and the Egyptian symbols come flying across the timer. Odd by my account, how about you?

[Hodgepodge]

I'm getting the server busy message as well. I wonder whether Wednesday nights are just as bad as Thursday mornings?

...Since Henry was locked away in the armory, I don't think he started the reaction because I do feel that the freak-out was due to the food balloon drop taking place. Now why it happened, you got me....This never occured to me Juan. But, why would a supply drop lockdown the hatch? Wouldn't they need to get out and recover the stuff?

Lets say it's true, then the drops apparently happen approximately every two months. Or better yet! Zeek and his crew call for a drop when needed. I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think we may've confirmation, Dharma is alive and well. I may start a thread in GDA.


...But, I do think that Henry either input the numbers and then did something else while in the computer room or didn't input the numbers and did something else to cause the blacklight to come on, and the doors to be lifted. Henry was gone a little while, like you mentioned Hodge, to "look around" for something. Again, what I do not know.
The other thing I don't understand is this....Gale falls down and is knocked unconscious for a while and then gets up and goes through the air duct and finds the computer room and inputs the numbers (if that is what he does). If this is the case, then Gale has an excellent memory to remember 6 different numbers, press execute, plus remember where the computer room is located (go through the duct and take a left, I believe Locke mentioned)....Juan, maybe you just explained the delay. The guy got lost! :) I've said it on more than one occassion. When the alarm goes off, it's a very intense time. This time, we've got Locke injured. He has to trust Henry to input the numbers and not leave him to die. Henry doesn't know what the HELL is going on. Maybe he took a wrong turn?

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
This never occured to me Juan. But, why would a supply drop lockdown the hatch? Wouldn't they need to get out and recover the stuff?


There is a theory going around in GD that the reason the blast doors come down is because when the food supply is dropped or however it lands on the island, the doors come down to make sure whoever is in the hatch doesn't come outside during the time of the drop. It's kinda fishy, but interesting nonetheless.
Also, the guy named Bishop posted a link to the Oceanic Airplane that the audience sees flying over Locke at the hotel. Now I know that is not a big deal, but I am still in the circle that Dharma owns or runs Oceanic Airlines. Maybe not, but just throwing that out there for the Dharma-outside world thread.

[Hodgepodge]

There is a theory going around in GD that the reason the blast doors come down is because when the food supply is dropped or however it lands on the island, the doors come down to make sure whoever is in the hatch doesn't come outside during the time of the drop. It's kinda fishy, but interesting nonetheless.Yeah, I've been trying to read that thread, but getting the "server busy" message again. But it looks like its been verified by the translation of the Map (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=477639&postcount=152). You're right!



Also, the guy named Bishop posted a link to the Oceanic Airplane that the audience sees flying over Locke at the hotel. Now I know that is not a big deal, but I am still in the circle that Dharma owns or runs Oceanic Airlines. Maybe not, but just throwing that out there for the Dharma-outside world thread.Oh, believe me when I say, I'm in that boat with ya buddy.

A side note: When I saw the resupply parachute, I immediately thought of you. I said, it would've been nice if it was a sub, but I'll settle for a plane. :)

[Stowaway]

Maybe he was actually the fake Henry Gale's life partner; hence the fake's referral to burying his "wife". The fake Henry Gale took his dead partner's name as some kind of homage or tribute. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility on the forum.

Personally I think that because Henry seems so suspicious he will probably turn out to be completely innocent, at least of being what the Losties suspect him to be. He may be something else that turns out to be even more dangerous than being a member of Zeke or Ethan's Band of Others. Or maybe he's just ticked off at being beaten up and locked up and treated like a pariah and that's why he tries to stir up trouble between Jack and Locke and gives Sayid creepy Other-ish looks.

[OnSceneWiththeCreators]

Most of your questions about "Henry" will be answered this season...

'til then.

[Sun's Man]

Brokeback Island?

[Hodgepodge]

Maybe he was actually the fake Henry Gale's life partner; hence the fake's referral to burying his "wife". The fake Henry Gale took his dead partner's name as some kind of homage or tribute. I haven't seen anyone mention this possibility on the forum...
Brokeback Island?I probably should warn you guys. I usually have something liquid that I'm drinking all day at work. So, Sun's Man, I just wet my keyboard. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Zex_Suik]

Yes there's many threads about him being an other, not being an other and so on... so let's NOTICE some things about his character.

We don't know that he LIED about being Henry Gale. Let me explain.(I'm going to generalize so ladies please don't be offended, it's for the sake of the concept)

He acts femine and with Locke is always saying things like 'why do you let him treat you like that?' like a mother or a wife, etc, would say.

He is clumsy, too clumsy and doesn't have the prerequisite common sense that would come with being on the island for a very long time. If he was on the island for a long time he'd be a lot more agile (ie climbing trees for fruit) than he has shown us. However, on the agility, after his fall, it took one pull for him to climb up into the vents...hmmm

The Black Henry Gale was buried... if he was an other, would he have buried him? nice little grave with marker? I don't think so...

He almost acts like he loves Locke, the one guy being somewhat nice to him.

The 'no matter what' statement.

Ok I'll just wrap it up fast. The White Henry Gale is gay, was married to the black Henry Gale. Said he buried his wife, instead of husband, out of fear on how he felt they might react. Notice that no one on the show is gay yet, or lesbian for that matter.

The few ways I can explain him using the Henry Gale name is

that they both are named Henry, the Black Henry Gale's ID card was a fake ID used for some purpose (border crossings?)
White Henry Gale's real name would reveal who he is in the real world (someone really famous or infamous outside of the island) and he's afraid of the repercussions.
Or they are both gay, married to each other and both their names are Henry. Which yes is a 'fantastic' idea (read too extraordinary) so he knows they wouldn't buy that and because of the nature of the idea, the TPTB don't want us to buy into it too soon either.Any other subtle noticings?

[yung23]

welcome to the boards, but slow down,t hat two threads in one minute


please read our rules and have fun..

if you plan to simply notice things, that is done in GD.

moving there now

[Daan]

Hahahahaha, I find this post very funny.

My theory on our Henry Gale is that he worked for Dharma and felt like quiting. He probaly was involved with kidnapping some of the tailies, maybe he even operated Claire.

But he saw that he was doing wrong and the only way of getting out was escaping.

[magnushanso]

It is also interesting to note word 4 WORD what fakehenry? said to lock:
- my name is henry gale, I am from minesota, and I crashed ON THIS ISLAND, JUST LIKE YOU!
hmmm. interesting. No bullsht about ballons and smiley faces, and the like this time.

[Hurley4Prez]

Originally, I was a bit offended by your proposals, but then I thought about it honestly and had to admit, I thought he might have been gay, too. Only after last week's reveal about the real JG.
TPTB have been hinting around about a gay character, but haven't been willing to reveal much. Who knows? Perhaps he and his significant other did land on the island in the balloon and Henry died. Maybe he buried him, but didn't think he should bring up the fact that his "wife" was a guy. That doesn't always get a warm reception, so I could understand that.
Maybe he was abducted by DHARMA and managed to escape.

All speculation.

[I_Took_Walt]

I dispute this theory. The reason that the theory fails is the same reason the disinterment could not be televised. Sayid was right. The burial was a ruse. But unless Sayid possesses medical training, he wouldn't be able to tell from the corpse itself. A corpse buried sans casket and exposed to earth would begin to decompose almost immediately. By the time Sayid dug up the corpse, the dermal tissues would be gone or otherwise indistinguishable as black or white, male or female. Only a doctor or extremely knowledgeable layperson would be able to tell the sex or race by bone structure, and the bone structure would be largely unobservable due to the fact that muscle tissues would not have decomposed. The Others, who obviously have medical training, would have counted on as much when they buried the real Henry Gale and sent their imposter out to inflilthrate. But they forgot about the license.

Finally, sensitivity and clumsiness do not make one gay. Same sex attraction does. We have seen nothing of that from Henry. Which is not to say that I don't think Henry is gay. We have no evidence either way at this point.

[interplanetjanet]

(Disclaimer: I live in Massachusetts, where a same-sex spouse isn't very exciting.)

I don't understand the clumsiness argument--where is our stereotype that gay men can dance? And if he hauls himself into that vent using a shoulder that had an arrow all the way through it a week or less ago--either he's an Ethan-like strongman, or the island heals everyone really fast (as in Jack's disappearing stitches).

Taking the fake id as a bit much, let's say a black man from Minnesota named Henry Gale is buried next to a crashed balloon. If our Henry was with him--as lover or other--simply calling him a friend, a close friend, my best friend, would be enough. Adopting his name is just silly. After all, collapsing to Sayid and saying I lied, my name isn't Henry Gale, here's the truth, might have been a good idea.

Locke let Sayid torture him, while Jack tried to stop it. I don't buy gay-Henry, but I could buy masochist-Henry. If he's always fantasized about being captured, tortured, and punished, he's on the right island. Don't think they're going there--he's way to good with the psychology (and I kiss Eko for his "don't talk, I need to explain that I will be deeply, deeply irritated if I have to kill more of you")--but I'd buy Henry the masochist trying to get punished before Henry the wimpy gay guy.

ETA: If Henry was buried by his wife, Jennifer Murphy, who is now held by or cooperating with the others, we could add a female cast member.

[Pressman]

It would be cool if Henry had decided to simply ditch the Others, but was too afraid to tell the Losties that he used to be one of them.

[Celtic Ceilidh]

Alright, then why does Gale wake up and ask Locke, "How long was I out?"? Something is not right with this picture.

This seemed very odd to me too. Henry also didn't ask about the numbers again, almost like he already knew what they were. I think Henry's assignment was to infiltrate the group of Lostaways. I have no idea why at this point. But his assignment was to happen at a certain time while the blast doors were down. He missed the timing and he's waiting for the next opportunity to do whatever it is.

[Sun's Man]

Please... enough with "Brokeback Island"!

[DohBoy]

Henry Gale might still be the Other "HIM" we are all concerned about - in a Tyler Durden Fight Club kind of way.

[juanbong]

Not to get all weird, but to add to the discussion. Some of us have been debating/chatting about Henry Gale (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14841), and this may add/subtract fuel to the threads fire. Thanks for viewing!

[Bumknee102]

Yes there's many threads about him being an other, not being an other and so on... so let's NOTICE some things about his character.

We don't know that he LIED about being Henry Gale. Let me explain.(I'm going to generalize so ladies please don't be offended, it's for the sake of the concept)

He acts femine and with Locke is always saying things like 'why do you let him treat you like that?' like a mother or a wife, etc, would say.

He is clumsy, too clumsy and doesn't have the prerequisite common sense that would come with being on the island for a very long time. If he was on the island for a long time he'd be a lot more agile (ie climbing trees for fruit) than he has shown us. However, on the agility, after his fall, it took one pull for him to climb up into the vents...hmmm

The Black Henry Gale was buried... if he was an other, would he have buried him? nice little grave with marker? I don't think so...

He almost acts like he loves Locke, the one guy being somewhat nice to him.

The 'no matter what' statement.

Ok I'll just wrap it up fast. The White Henry Gale is gay, was married to the black Henry Gale. Said he buried his wife, instead of husband, out of fear on how he felt they might react. Notice that no one on the show is gay yet, or lesbian for that matter.

The few ways I can explain him using the Henry Gale name is
that they both are named Henry, the Black Henry Gale's ID card was a fake ID used for some purpose (border crossings?)
White Henry Gale's real name would reveal who he is in the real world (someone really famous or infamous outside of the island) and he's afraid of the repercussions.
Or they are both gay, married to each other and both their names are Henry. Which yes is a 'fantastic' idea (read too extraordinary) so he knows they wouldn't buy that and because of the nature of the idea, the TPTB don't want us to buy into it too soon either.Any other subtle noticings?
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/002/statusicon/user_offline.gif http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/002/buttons/report.gif (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/report.php?p=481721)

I disagree with the theory that "Henry" is homosexual:

1) I don't nessacrily think "Henry" is being sensitive or caring to Locke, but simply using pyshcology on him. Remember, "Henry" was able to hear Jack and Locke argue through the same thick armory door that Locke and Jack could not hear Ana Lucia, Echo, nor Sayids conversation (with the exception being when sayid started to torture him). Pretty suscpicious to me. I think "Henry was simply using physcological tools (Im' only a high school student (don't know too much about the subject but, nonetheless) to infilitrate the losties. Recall "Hebry's" discussions concerning The Brothers novel as well as the philosophical difference between prophets and martyrs. Gale is not stupid. This is possibly why he is gaining Locke's trust... he knows his ballon is out there, but he also knows his grave does not contain a woman and that Sayid has already judged him an other. He does not know where the supply drop landed either, thus, he must befriend Locke in order to stay alive and with the Losties.

Regarding his strentgh and agility, did you notice how Gale along with Locke, was able to pry open the blast door high enough to fit the tool box? Granted, there was 2 of them and they were using a lever, but it was still a pretty impressive feat for a guy with a bow and arrow wound in his shoulder and who had been tortured by Sayid. Also, although Gale fell from the shelf when climbing to the vent, you cannot help but think he did this on purpose. For one, there was nothing on the shelf save a delicious jar of Dharma peanut butter i believe. 2ndly, this tactic may not have been so suspicious if it wasnt for the fact of how easily Gale lifted himself into the vent, once again with a shoulder wound, and then procedded to crawl through the vent....without making any sounds. One would think that anybody of Gales size and injured would make some clanking noises and whatnot while crawling around in a confined hollow metal tube, but Gale does not.

After saying all this, I do think it is feasable that Gale was not sent by "Zeke" or the Dharma "employees" on the island. If Gale was indeed on the balloon with the supplies, he might have been Desmonds replacement hatch monkey. He had supplys for the Swan, the only hatch we have seen that had food supplys, and was obviously on his way to the area of the hatch when he was caught in Danielle's trap.

[Selaweq]

Remember many episodes ago after Sawyer had left Jack was chopping wood. Then Hurley came up and asked about transference of Sawyers thing to do to Jack. Maybe Henry was so distraught by the loss of the Black Henry he assumed his identity. Also about "Henry" he is way too feminine to be straight...

[The_Dude]

in the same boat i also think that danielle's "husband" is also a woman and her "husband" was really her life partner...

but hey what do i know...:rolleyez:

[interplanetjanet]

He acts weak, uncoordinated, and helpless, when not playing evil-psych games with our losties or hauling himself into vents and prying up doors.

Y'all need to encounter some more actual gay people, I think--the notion that gay men all act a certain way is pretty silly. While I don't do horror movies, I understand Henry continues the excellent evil little guy vibes he had in Saw.

[Hodgepodge]

Henry Gale might still be the Other "HIM" we are all concerned about...I thought I told you who "HIM" us? Must've slipped my mind! :whistling

[webcricket]

It seems everyone is asking the wrong questions about "Henry" - all I really want to know is why he didn't run when he had the chance. The motive compelling him to stay needs to be examined.

He asked Locke to back him "no matter what" - he must have suspected the Losties would discover the buried body and ID card. Afterall, he drew them the map to find it.

I hope this is addressed next week and does not result in the demise of the character - the little weasel is starting to grow on me.

I'd love to hear his answer to the snowman question...

[*Saint*]

My theory on our Henry Gale is that he worked for Dharma and felt like quiting. He probaly was involved with kidnapping some of the tailies, maybe he even operated Claire.

But he saw that he was doing wrong and the only way of getting out was escaping.

Daan that is a fabulous idea. I don't know why I didn't consider it before! What a perfect way for our Losties to infiltrate the others!! I mean, "an eye for an eye..." right???

[raven444]

Daan that is a fabulous idea.

Almost as fabulous as Henry Gale.

Just sayin!

[Mikefuzz]

I'm sorry but I just can't find your points even necessary ? You can't judge someones sexuality on the way they act or there physical strength, plus, in the canadian preview for next weeks episode people clearly hear Henry Gale say :

"He will kill me"

He also seems to have an inisght on who the guy with the beard is...

If this isn't evidence enough i don't know what is...

[Kahlfin]

I'm not sure this theory is true, but a similar thought popped into my head after watching the episode. I was thinking "What would I tell them if I was Gale?" and then I realized that if it were me, I would tell them that I was gay and make up some reason for using Henry's name.

As for the body not being burned, that doesn't really suggest that Henry is not an Other. "Henry" could have staged the balloon and the grave, and buried the real Henry there because it was easier than burning him and he didn't count on anyone digging up the grave. For some reason, this makes me think of something Sayid said; "A muslim man is supposed to be buried".

[Hodgepodge]

First, I'd like to welcome the new posters to Lost-TV and to this thread. Make sure to read the Welcome forum, and enjoy yourselves.


It seems everyone is asking the wrong questions about "Henry" - all I really want to know is why he didn't run when he had the chance. The motive compelling him to stay needs to be examined.

He asked Locke to back him "no matter what" - he must have suspected the Losties would discover the buried body and ID card. Afterall, he drew them the map to find it...Webcricket, this is definitely an excellent question. A question I've asked myself.

Non-Henry, is obviously after something. As you mention, his asking Locke for support no matter what, proves he knew he was going to be made out. Also obvious, non-Henry was aware of the fate of real-Henry. He probably heard the story and remembered the details. Because Sayid found the drivers license of the real-Heny, proves that fact. Non-Henry would've snatched any proof that denied who he was.

Could he be after the map? Could he be from another of the hatches/bunkers on the island? I'm still convinced he's an "Other"!

[cautiousguyonlost]

Well I guess Henry Gale is officially a "other"..I had a feeling about that one..he looks like one..and I didn't believe his whole story either...that he crashed with his wife..come on...well..I hope that they will find his secret hiding area for the rest of the others...I think now that they know who henry gale is..there might be a battle after..thats to my opinion..

[Hodgepodge]

Well I guess Henry Gale is officially a "other"..I had a feeling about that one..he looks like one..and I didn't believe his whole story either...that he crashed with his wife..come on...well..I hope that they will find his secret hiding area for the rest of the others...I think now that they know who henry gale is..there might be a battle after..thats to my opinion..I think you're assuming evidence not presented. Just because he's not who he said he was, doesn't necessarily make him an "Other"! I agree, it doesn't look good for non-Henry, but I'm holding out for another explanation before putting a bullet in his temple. JMO!

[juanbong]

Quoted by webcricket:
It seems everyone is asking the wrong questions about "Henry" - all I really want to know is why he didn't run when he had the chance. The motive compelling him to stay needs to be examined.
He asked Locke to back him "no matter what" - he must have suspected the Losties would discover the buried body and ID card. Afterall, he drew them the map to find it.

I hope this is addressed next week and does not result in the demise of the character - the little weasel is starting to grow on me.

I'd love to hear his answer to the snowman question...

Quoted by Hodge:
Webcricket, this is definitely an excellent question. A question I've asked myself.

Non-Henry, is obviously after something. As you mention, his asking Locke for support no matter what, proves he knew he was going to be made out. Also obvious, non-Henry was aware of the fate of real-Henry. He probably heard the story and remembered the details. Because Sayid found the drivers license of the real-Heny, proves that fact. Non-Henry would've snatched any proof that denied who he was.

Could he be after the map? Could he be from another of the hatches/bunkers on the island? I'm still convinced he's an "Other"!


And the underlined points are what bugs me. Gale could have easily ran out. Now we still don't know much about him, but he could have not known that no one was outside, or he may not actually know the area surrounding the hatch. One theory I have been working on is this....Gale has become the scapegoat to infiltrate into the Losties camp for a couple of purposes. A list is one purpose in my book. Maybe the map/a history is another. But let's suppose that Gale and his crew have been actually looking for the hatch all this time. It looks like he knows certain parts of the bunker (how to get to the computer-figured it out, the computer-maybe input the numbers). Don't get me wrong, there doesn't seem to be that much going on in the hatch or that many rooms, but I think that the others may not have known the location of said bunker. I am going to feel around and see if I can produce more evidence to this.

[Hodgepodge]

And the underlined points are what bugs me. Gale could have easily ran out. Now we still don't know much about him, but he could have not known that no one was outside, or he may not actually know the area surrounding the hatch. One theory I have been working on is this....Gale has become the scapegoat to infiltrate into the Losties camp for a couple of purposes. A list is one purpose in my book. Maybe the map/a history is another. But let's suppose that Gale and his crew have been actually looking for the hatch all this time. It looks like he knows certain parts of the bunker (how to get to the computer-figured it out, the computer-maybe input the numbers). Don't get me wrong, there doesn't seem to be that much going on in the hatch or that many rooms, but I think that the others may not have known the location of said bunker. I am going to feel around and see if I can produce more evidence to this.I guess the "Others" may not have known where the hatch was located. Locke and Boone did find it by happenstance. And it was covered by rock, earth and underbrush.

But don't you get the impression the "Others" are moving from one bunker/hatch to another? We did find remnants of people living in the Arrow hatch before the Tailies arrived. Zeke and his crew abandon the Medical facility once Claire was freed or escaped. And I don't think they're living out in the jungle. Remember, there's supposedly six bunkers/hatches on the island, and I think the "Others" have just moved on to another one. Which would require them to know there location.

Also, remember what Zeke told The Hunting Party posse? "Tell me, you go over a man's house for the first time, do you take off your shoes? Do you put your feet up on his coffee table? Do you walk in the kitchen, eat food that doesn't belong to you? [he looks at Locke] Open the door to rooms you got no business opening?" I got the impression he knew where the hatch was located, and its contents.

[Warthawg1]

I'm still under the impression that not all "others" are on the same team. Not Henry is an "other" per se', but doesn't necessarily share the same goals and or purpose with the rest of the "others".

[Hodgepodge]

I'm still under the impression that not all "others" are on the same team. Not Henry is an "other" per se', but doesn't necessarily share the same goals and or purpose with the rest of the "others".I agree with ya Warty. I got the impression Goodwin wasn't apart of Zeke and Ethan's crew, until someone brought to my attention, they both were obsessed with a list. So, that probably put them on the same team.

But I agree, for some reason, non-Henry doesn't fit the bill like the other "Others". Now watch them prove me wrong. Wouldn't that be just like Lost! :ImLost:

[Sun's Man]

In the preview, we see non-Henry saying, "He'll kill me!" This could be a link to the HE/HIM the Zeke and Ethan were talking about in Maternity Leave. I think non-Henry will turn out to be "one of them".

[Hodgepodge]

In the preview, we see non-Henry saying, "He'll kill me!" This could be a link to the HE/HIM the Zeke and Ethan were talking about in Maternity Leave. I think non-Henry will turn out to be "one of them".Way to bail Sun's Man! Remind me not to get stuck in a foxhole with you. :no: :)

[Warthawg1]

I'll stay in the foxhole and do my duty up until the point that one of my fellow warriors gets cold and asks me to spoon with him.

[Sun's Man]

Way to bail Sun's Man! Remind me not to get stuck in a foxhole with you. :no: :)

Hey, when you're wrong, you're wrong! :p

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
Way to bail Sun's Man! Remind me not to get stuck in a foxhole with you

Where's the grenade, where's the grenade!!

[EGlVM]

hehehe

Let's wait til we get proof from the episode when it airs, ladies and germs.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Warty:
I'll stay in the foxhole and do my duty up until the point that one of my fellow warriors gets cold and asks me to spoon with him.

:eek:

In all fairness, TPTB keep the Gale thing full of suspense. That is why I actually like the guy (even though I still don't trust him). Characters like Henry are what the show thrives on, and let's be honest....Gale is a great character.

[merry slug]

:eek:

In all fairness, TPTB keep the Gale thing full of suspense. That is why I actually like the guy (even though I still don't trust him). Characters like Henry are what the show thrives on, and let's be honest....Gale is a great character.

:yeah:

[Hodgepodge]

:eek:

In all fairness, TPTB keep the Gale thing full of suspense. That is why I actually like the guy (even though I still don't trust him). Characters like Henry are what the show thrives on, and let's be honest....Gale is a great character.Like you, I love the guy Juan. Look at this, over 200 posts about the guy. And that's just here. There's at least 3 or 4 more threads around here speculating about his allegiance.

I'm actually hoping he's not an "Other", but just an other. If you know what I mean. :confused: I'd just like to verify, there's more than our Losties and the "Others" on Craphole island.

[juanbong]

So, another round of ol' Gale last night. What did you all think? Questions are now raised by the conversation he had with Locke about inputting of the numbers, that he knows about the symbols at the end of the countdown, and that the hatch is "a joke". Man, is this getting good or what? Well, first off, either Gale let the numbers run down and saw the whole thing or he has seen this happen before in another hatch. Second, he says that Zeke is a nobody in the grand scheme of things. Wow! Now personally I thougtht so as well, but to actually hear that is now intriguing. Anymore thoughts or pieces that I may have left out? I plan to watch it again just to make sure I didn't leave any points out as well.

[Hodgepodge]

So, another round of ol' Gale last night. What did you all think? Questions are now raised by the conversation he had with Locke about inputting of the numbers, that he knows about the symbols at the end of the countdown, and that the hatch is "a joke". Man, is this getting good or what? Well, first off, either Gale let the numbers run down and saw the whole thing or he has seen this happen before in another hatch.Juan, my first thought! The "incident" in the Orientation film, was caused by someone not inputting the numbers and pushing the button. So, I think non-Henry did as he was requested by Locke. Now, that begs the question! Why would he then tell Locke that he didn't? If inputting the numbers and pushing the button are important to the welfare of the island inhabitants, why doesn't he want the Losties to continue? So does that negate my initial thought? :confused:



Second, he says that Zeke is a nobody in the grand scheme of things. Wow! Now personally I thougtht so as well, but to actually hear that is now intriguing. Anymore thoughts or pieces that I may have left out? I plan to watch it again just to make sure I didn't leave any points out as well.Well, you know who I suspect is "HIM"! :whistling But I think his statement takes the guess work out of the most important question. Is the guy locked in the armory an "Other"? Overwhelmingly, yes! His fear at what would happen if he told any of their secrets, was right out there. And from what we've seen, non-Henry is afraid of death. But, he's also a good actor!

I initially thought Sayid and Ana-Lucia were playing good-cop/bad-cop again. But Sayid was serious! He planned on putting one in non-Henry's ear. I think Ana-Lucia was right in stopping him. You can find out more from a live prisoner than a dead one.

[Zeek]

I wouldn't trust a word coming out of the other formerly known as Henry's mouth. The island isn't visible to the rest of the world huh? Don't believe it. Zeke is no one. Don't believe it. He wants so milk for his cereal. Not a chance.

I wouldn't put any stock in anything the guy has said. He already congured up a quick secondary persona when Sayid started questioning him again. Now he's moved on to persona number 3. Daniele said he will lie for a long time. It hasn't been too long of a time in the land of the lost yet.

Plus his questioners seem to get tired really quickly. Stay in there folks. Don't give this guy a break.

[Celtic Ceilidh]

Well, first off, either Gale let the numbers run down and saw the whole thing or he has seen this happen before in another hatch.
I hope it's because he's seen it happen before and not because TPTB are ready to quickly drop the button pushing storyline. I hope Henry's few sentences about not pushing the button are not the last that are told about it.

[Sun's Man]

Way to bail Sun's Man! Remind me not to get stuck in a foxhole with you. :no: :)

Still in that foxhole, Hodge? :p

[Hodgepodge]

Still in that foxhole, Hodge? :pNah! That bastards an "Other". Lets go get a beer? :)

[Brian]

Nah! This bastards an "Other". Lets go get a beer? :)
Amen brother! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Leuthen2/gifs/corona.gif First one's on me! He's so an other. If I'm proven wrong later, well, it wouldn't be the first time would it? :)

[Zeek]

Nah! That bastards an "Other".
Isn't it just sad. I mean come on they could have thrown all sorts of twists at us. Instead he's exactly what they hit us over the head with from the start.

Not that them capturing an other isn't a huge push for the storyline. It's just if they're going to make it all mysterious at least have a "oh wow" payoff at the end. Not a "yeah that's what we already knew".

[Hodgepodge]

Isn't it just sad. I mean come on they could have thrown all sorts of twists at us. Instead he's exactly what they hit us over the head with from the start...And maybe that was the twist Zeek! He was so obviously an "Other", we said he couldn't be an "Other".

You know that old saying! "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twince, shame on me!"

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Originally Posted by Warthawg1
I'm still under the impression that not all "others" are on the same team. Not Henry is an "other" per se', but doesn't necessarily share the same goals and or purpose with the rest of the "others".

I think all the others are on the same team..as in they are all there cause ''HIM'' says they will be. I'll admit though, that there seems to be a first and second string. You know how the second string always mumbles about the starters behind their backs.
But I think they all know exactly whats going on and are never going to turn their backs on it.

[juanbong]

I do think it is old that when A-L is telling Gale about the Zeke, she doesn't mention his name but says the bearded guy. Gale says that he (Zeke) is a nobody, a no one. I do find this odd. I don't know why, but Gale may not really know who Zeke is. (and I have had a coupla beers at this point, but bear with me.) 2 camps/ first and second string. Gale did say he was part of a search party. Just thinking out loud...

[Hodgepodge]

I think all the others are on the same team..as in they are all there cause ''HIM'' says they will be. I'll admit though, that there seems to be a first and second string. You know how the second string always mumbles about the starters behind their backs.
But I think they all know exactly whats going on and are never going to turn their backs on it.Nokomis, sort of like Redshirts? Holy crap that's really scary! You and Juan maybe proven right, but just like any group, you're going to have bosses and underlings. That maybe all the non-Henry is. Like a worker bee instead of the ones that stay close to the queen (can't remember what they're called now). JMO!

[Son of Locke]

Not sure this belongs here, but since it is about Henry Gale, I was wondering if anyone had speculated that the "H.G. Inspection Team" referred to on the map had anything to do with our deceased friend, and not strictly "Hanso Group," as most map-alyzers have speculated.

[Hodgepodge]

Not sure this belongs here, but since it is about Henry Gale, I was wondering if anyone had speculated that the "H.G. Inspection Team" referred to on the map had anything to do with our deceased friend, and not strictly "Hanso Group," as most map-alyzers have speculated.SoL, you referring to the real-Henry Gale? :confused:

[Son of Locke]

Yes.

As far as Not Henry goes, I was kicking around this thought. I've been reading the US Army Survival manual, and one of the bits of advice int he first few pages is that shaving instills a sense of normalcy. What was Not Henry's response to Ana Lucia when she asked why he had no beard?

"I shaved. I wanted to feel normal." Totally non-sequitor thought, I didn't even bother with the courtesy of searching, but I thought I'd drop it off and have you guys babysit it for a while. Back later.

SoL.

[Hodgepodge]

Not sure this belongs here, but since it is about Henry Gale, I was wondering if anyone had speculated that the "H.G. Inspection Team" referred to on the map had anything to do with our deceased friend, and not strictly "Hanso Group," as most map-alyzers have speculated.In that case! The first thing I thought when Sayid said real-Henry suffered a broken neck, was Goodwin. I've brought up the idea on several occasions, there's more than a couple of groups on Craphole island. I thought maybe it tied all the "Others" up in a nice bow. In other words. There's only two groups on the island. The "Others" and the Losties. Possibly, their rejects (Alex) also.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

There's only two groups on the island. The "Others" and the Losties.

I've said that from the get go..
All one big happy Dharma peanut butter eating family.

[juanbong]

Here's an article in EW on Henry Gale....enjoy!!!

'Lost': Who is Henry Gale?
You tell us, Lost fans: Is this Henry: Portrait of a Serial Player?

After last week's startling revelation that Libby was also a patient in the mental hospital where Hurley convalesced, a rumor began circulating about another possible refugee from Santa Rosa. Yep, it's that pesky Henry Gale again -- or whatever his name is. In reality (remember reality, Lost fans? Because I don't), he's actor Michael Emerson.

The controversy: Did Henry Gale appear in Season 1, as a maintenance man at Santa Rosa? Remember, there was a scene at the hospital in the first Hurley-themed episode, when the heavy-set lottery winner decides he's cursed after witnessing the misfortunes of those around him. Hurley visits the hospital to see Leonard, the man who kept repeating those fateful numbers. In the lobby, there was a man swaying precariously on a ladder, trying to install a lightbulb. Hurley gets progressively more agitated as the man inches closer and closer to disaster, finally ordering him to stop what he's doing. If you believe this individual is, in fact, our Henry, as played by Michael Emerson, then the coincidence would seem to be more than a coincidence. It would suggest that the ol' Santa Rosa cuckoo's nest is perhaps a Dharma-infested talent pool. Perhaps the whole operation, including the number-spouting Leonard, is part of the Dharma experiment. (Libby's backstory might help fill in those holes.)

What do you think, Los Lost-heads? Is this the man? Personally, I'm not convinced. My friend Liz, Lost scholar extraordinaire, says "Henry" looks inexplicably older in the flashback, but then again, "he's got those bug eyes. And those stringy arms. I could see it both ways. What's brilliant is: The janitor never speaks -- so they never have to list him on the credits."

Oh, and here's your wrinkle: Michael Emerson doesn't appear in the Season 1 credits. But in 2004, he did appear in a video short called The Lost Season.

As a character named Henery [sic] Gale.

[Hodgepodge]

Damn Juan! Obviously, I don't remember the maintenance man from Numbers. That's been so long ago. I can barely remember my name from one week to another.

Will someone supply us with a screencap? :pray:

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
Will someone supply us with a screencap?

Hold that thought. Be right back...

[juanbong]

Here ya go...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/japippin/NONAME_002_000_105.jpg

and compared to Henry Gale on the island...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/japippin/16934__henrygale_l.jpg

[Warthawg1]

Well.. they do look very similar.

[Hodgepodge]

Damn, that's really close! The guy changing the lightbulb seems to have greying temples. But other than that. It maybe a match! What do you think? :confused:


ETA: Is there anyway to zoom in on his name tag? Without it becoming unrecognizable?

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
It maybe a match! What do you think?

I really don't know. But this is what gets my attention though....What do you think, Los Lost-heads? Is this the man? Personally, I'm not convinced. My friend Liz, Lost scholar extraordinaire, says "Henry" looks inexplicably older in the flashback, but then again, "he's got those bug eyes. And those stringy arms. I could see it both ways. What's brilliant is: The janitor never speaks -- so they never have to list him on the credits."


Nice Cabbage Patch Kid there, Warty!! What's his/her name? Pat!?! Ha ha!! (just kiddin ya!)

[Zeek]

Doesn't really look like the same guy to me. Though it's close enough that it could be him. I should go back and watch that part of the episode. I think in action we'd be able to tell if it was him or not.

[Hodgepodge]

Doesn't really look like the same guy to me. Though it's close enough that it could be him...WTF!

[Breeze]

Could it be he is an Other and was sent to retrieve the food?

[metal]

I personally don't think the lightbulb guy looks like the fake Henry:

http://www.madhaxor.com/misc/metal/lost-lightbulb-guy.gif

What do you think?

-metal

[Zeek]

WTF!
lol I'm saying if you asked me to bet on it I'd bet against, but giving the distance away from him in that pic I couldn't be totally sure.

Now we have a second pic and I'm going to vote a resounding no. The guy does have similar features, but I've seen fake henry in other things and I recognized him right away when he came up on Lost. I don't recognize him when I see the janitor.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

I'm kind of curious then... why did tptb rerun ''numbers'' this season?
We need a close up of that name tag. They might have hired a different actor later.. but the premise was that its supposed to be Henery Gale.

why the extra 'e'?

[Hodgepodge]

First off, I'd like to thank Metal for that fantastic screencap. Second, I'd like to welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Make sure to read the Welcome forum, it's easy to get lost.

Now with that out of the way! Way to cover you bet Zeek! :) I'm right there with you now, thanks again to Metal.


I'm kind of curious then... why did tptb rerun ''numbers'' this season?
We need a close up of that name tag. They might have hired a different actor later.. but the premise was that its supposed to be Henery Gale.
I hear what you're saying Nokomis. I'd like to see a closeup as well.

The only way I see your idea working, would be for the name on the tag, to be non-Henry's real name. Then, using a different actor for the same role would work. IMO!

[PhantomPhase]

Did anyone notice that Henry seemed pretty virale for a guy who has been shot with an arrow, beaten to a bloody pulp, kept tied up - in a tiny room, and who has stopped eating. It looks like he had no problem overpowering Ana in the previews.

[clayseason1]

The guy changing the light bulb is Fuzzy Moody, redshirt #91. (He's been a stuntman for a long time.) Also appeared in the pilot. He was the guy that helped Jack and Locke pull the debris off of tourniquet man.


Now to Henry and tonight's episode.

When Jack opened the door to the vault, Henry had been slumped over. I got the strangest impression when he sat up. He was almost like a lifeless doll and then the way he sat up was like something was breathing life into him. (I don't know how else to say it.) If you get an opportunity to rewatch the scene, let me know what you think. Thanks, CS

[PhantomPhase]

Yeah, that was kinda odd. I thought at first he was touching himself in a bad way. Maybe he was meditating, or in some kind of psychic contact with the Others. It's kinda out there but who knows.

[drabauer]

I just had to reference this fantastic post in the Henry Gale thread:

The Real Henry (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=513662&postcount=323)

[Hodgepodge]

The guy changing the light bulb is Fuzzy Moody, redshirt #91. (He's been a stuntman for a long time.) Also appeared in the pilot. He was the guy that helped Jack and Locke pull the debris off of tourniquet man.


Now to Henry and tonight's episode.

When Jack opened the door to the vault, Henry had been slumped over. I got the strangest impression when he sat up. He was almost like a lifeless doll and then the way he sat up was like something was breathing life into him. (I don't know how else to say it.) If you get an opportunity to rewatch the scene, let me know what you think. Thanks, CSNow CS, do you make anything of these Fuzz Moody characters? Or, should we just assume, as we have in other cases, same actor in different roles?

And I noticed that weird non-Henry moment as well. My first impression! I don't want to show these people that they're getting to me. In other words. Don't let them see you sweat!

[Warthawg1]

Nice Cabbage Patch Kid there, Warty!!

It's not a Cabbage Patch kid!! For the last time, it's my newest invention: The My Therapy Buddy!

[Zeek]

So, I'm thinking thing Locke is a "good" person and Henry is trying to help him get out of the hatch. His creepy smile and connection with Locke is the thing I'm hoping will provide the twist for his character. There's gotta be a twist right? Please?

[JennyFireballs]

Anyone notice that on the "real" Henry Gale's Minnesota drivers license, which is seen only for a second when Sayid holds it up in the hatch, Gale's street address is 815?

[Hodgepodge]

JennyFireballs, there are few threads already started about Henry Gale/Fenry in the Redshirts and Recurring Characters forum. We've even got a pic of the drivers license there also. I'm going to move this post there, for further discussion.

[juanbong]

Does anyone else think that Gale will play a bigger role in season 3, or have we seen the last of our favorite character for a long while? I have read where some posters believe that Gale was the one down in the Pearl hatch. If that were true, then Gale would have either A) been out of the Pearl before the plane crashed and was burned or B) Gale had already been lurking out of the Pearl right before Locke and Boone came to find the plane. Any thoughts?

[Hodgepodge]

Does anyone else think that Gale will play a bigger role in season 3, or have we seen the last of our favorite character for a long while? I have read where some posters believe that Gale was the one down in the Pearl hatch. If that were true, then Gale would have either A) been out of the Pearl before the plane crashed and was burned or B) Gale had already been lurking out of the Pearl right before Locke and Boone came to find the plane. Any thoughts?Believe me Juan, we haven't seen the last of Fenry. With the positive press this guy got, he's the best thing that happened in S2. I'm not reneging on who I feel is "Him", but Fenry would fit the role very well. :)

Juan, the people who theorize he was in the Pearl hatch, do they also have a scenario built up around it? I'd like to read they're background before commenting on the last part of your post.

[juanbong]

Quoted by Hodge:
Juan, the people who theorize he was in the Pearl hatch, do they also have a scenario built up around it? I'd like to read they're background before commenting on the last part of your post.

Not a solid feasible theory, just putting around scenarios and guess work. I am looking over certain posters ideas, but again, nothing real tight as a working theory/theories.

[Hodgepodge]

Not a solid feasible theory, just putting around scenarios and guess work. I am looking over certain posters ideas, but again, nothing real tight as a working theory/theories.Post some links if you run across anything you like? :)

[juanbong]

^ You got it!!!

[Brian]

Merging with the Henry Gale thread.