Who should Kate end up with? (poll updated)

[Einna]

Okay, I know there are pages upon pages of convo in the shippers forum about who's rooting for Skate/Jate, but I just wondered what the rough numbers were.
So, who do you think she should end up with? I personally voted for Sawyer, because I think that Jack makes Kate beleive she can be better, but has to be, whereas when she's with Sawyer she can just unleash herself, she can be accepted as herself. She's not afraid to bear all around him.
Also, Sawyer doean't hurt Kate the way Jack does. Jack forces her to do things or tell him things that she doesn't want to, and for someone like Kate that's a horrific situation to be in. Sawyer just takes what she'll give him, be it good or bad. He hasn't passed any sort of judgement on her, and tries to reassure her often, even when it's Jack she's upset about.
Besides, I know I'm prejudiced. I love Sawyer. I can't tolerate Jack.

[Lost In His Eyes]

I voted for Jack because I've been a Jack/Kate supporter from the start, and they've had chemistry from the very first episode.

[lastlostfan]

she ends up with no one else cause shes mine ... hahahahhahahha

[OfficerPayne]

Jack . . . And I get Sawyer!

[panta]

Re: Who should Kate end up with?

Is this a rhetorical question?

[niann]

Re: Who should Kate end up with?

Is this a rhetorical question?

It's not a rhetorical question.
But the answer is Sawyer... :)

[Einna]

LMAO Niann

[PhantomPhase]

Nobody. As much as I like Kate, she's not worth what it would take to hold on to her. She could, and would destroy any man who gave her his heart.

[Einna]

Hmm...point. I think she's the only person alive who could do more damage to Sawyer than he's done to himself, lol. I think she's actually very mean to him, especially in the first series.

"You're actually comparing yourself to Jack?"
"What the HELL are you doing here?" (For no reason, I might add)
"Not now!"
The fact that she punched him after he'd just been tortured

The list goes on and on and on.
Well...in that case, I'd change my vote to Jack. I don't like him. I think he deserves a woman who'll screw with him, and Kate deserves to be betrayed (hehe, I'm evil).
No, honestly though, I do think Sawyer and Kate would make a good couple. I can't quite put my finger on it...I guess I just believed Sawyer when they said he and Kate had a connection.

[Unnamed Redshirt Number 4]

I voted nobody, but it could be someone else - i.e. NOT Jack or Sawyer. Sawyer is a lone wolf and Jack is too emotionally constipated.

[villana81]

Sawyer!! :)

[MorningTheft]

Sawyer

[Lostaway]

Sawyer all the way. Jacks just a mopey baby with boring flashbacks. He dosent deserve to have kate. Like i always say he should end up with ana so she can beat him.

[SareBear00]

Sawyer!!!!!!!

[dawhiteboy817]

hurley he needs some lovin

[dawhiteboy817]

big guy needs alot of lovin

[PandoraX]

Sun.

That would be hot.

But my choice was still for no one.

[island_maverick]

I go for Claire. That would be equally as hot!

[hamster]

Kat should end up with Sawyer-they're both criminals....they can be naughty together!

Jack can have Anna Lucia:makeout:

[MochaKimono]

Kate and Sawyer are perfect for each other, seeing as they both are violent, unlawful cynics. They could be partners in crime. A ne'er-do-well duo, united by luuurve!

[PandoraX]

Kate and Sawyer are perfect for each other, seeing as they both are violent, unlawful cynics.

But you have to consider they may share similar superficial characteristics (have broken the law, been violent) but that they do them for very different motivations. Kate broke the law and killed someone out of the desperation of her situation (abuse by the man to herself and her mom) and the only reason she runs is out of desperation (or so we know now).

Sawyer is unlawful (cons people) because he is greedy and doesn't seem to have a strict moral code (whereas Kate seems at least to be trying to convince us that she cares about others)... and he killed someone out of vengeance, which is also a selfish act at base.

As for violence, you can argue everyone on the island has a violent pasta and that most are capable of violent behavior; again, Kate is primarily violent for self-defensive and desperation related reasons... Sawyer is violent in an offensive way at times (killing the man, squishing the frog, hunting the boar).

Kate is no angel, I believe that, I think she is hiding something. But in character, I think she is caught somewhere between Jack's idealistic altruism and Sawyer's machiavellian survival instincts.

[Scruffy]

I voted for somebody else - Jack doesnt trust her,
Sawyer hid the guns she's annoyed at him. but she'll end up with some one

[Libbyrated]

Re: Who should Kate end up with?

Is this a rhetorical question?

More like irrelevant question. It has not basis or affect on the outcome of the show. Simply misguided attention.

[badboy]

I voted no-one, simply 'cos I think Jack reminds her too much of her best friend she got killed (that we saw in FB, also a doctor) and Sawyer is too unstable to emote any sort of feeling required for a successful relationship. I also think Sawyers last words will be 'I love you' to Kate before he dies in a heroic fashion, so they'll be together in the last seconds of Sawyers life, but thats it.

:drinky:

[raven444]

no one. she a ho bag. snap.

[Ana-Lucia]

Jack for sure

[live love lost]

Jack is too emotionally constipated.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: you are my hero

[addicted2much]

I love Kate and Sawyer together :makeout: :heartpump:

[dp2]

Boone and Shannon.


Oh yes I did!

[Fish1941]

I voted nobody, but it could be someone else - i.e. NOT Jack or Sawyer. Sawyer is a lone wolf and Jack is too emotionally constipated.

Actually, I can say the same about Kate. I would be happy if all three ended up alone.

[wickedsweet]

I voted for someone else and that would be any of the dear members of ASK.

[johnleeves]

Sawyer, Jack is too arsey theyd argue all the time.

[Fish1941]

After watching last night's rerun of "Whatever the Case May Be", I'm quite convinced that Kate might possibly be psychotic. Or sociopathic. I think that both Jack and Sawyer are better off without her.

[<3-JATE=FATE-<3]

jack of course ... you can tell they like eachother so much more ... kates jjust playing sawyer
JATE IF FATE]:ImLost:

[Fish1941]

With Charlie. She should be with someone who is at her emotional level.

[TheBigCat]

Boone and Shannon.


Oh yes I did!

Oh, yes....You did.

With Charlie. She should be with someone who is at her emotional level.

:rotfl:

[Pressman]

I voted someone else because I think it should be me.

[TheBigCat]

In that case you should think about becoming a member of ASK.

[ryanshedy]

WHO DO YOU WANT TO BE TOGETHER.......................................... ..

I want kate and jack because its clear that kate likes jack the most because she always wants to go on treks with him and she kissed him :o

[john_locke]

Jack and Kate

[Andrew23]

JACK

Anyways, Sawyer did Ana Lucia....he doesn't deserve Kate.

[Unlocke Locke]

Jack & Sawyer

[imjusthatawsum]

Sawyer did Ana Lucia....he doesn't deserve Kate.

:yeah:

[LostInWilderness]

Me. I'm hoping they introduce me next season.

[Hatchmeister]

Kate & Sun

[twilightsun]

:rotfl:

[ryanshedy]

lol , sun and kate , howd you work that out :)

[Daniel]

Kate & Monster

[midnightSawyerFan]

Kate & Sawyer - come on guys ... how can you not want to see more of that chemistry they have together? The best I've ever seen on screen .... don't know how anyone can't see it :confused: - please, more Skate please :makeout:

[Mmm Beer]

Sawyer

[aRooZa]

The 123434th poll on that topic I guess, and I'll vote Skate over and over again ;)

[PabloCruiseTX]

Jack...paraphrasing a quote I saw from an anonymous source...simply put, Sawyer represents Kate's past. Jack represents her future.

[Lluvias23]

Kate doesn't deserve Jack. The only option is for Kate and Sawyer (kindred spirits, btw) to leave their pasts and become better people. THEN, they can have a relationship. Or maybe just do jail time for the swindling, lies, murders, etc.....

[OMG its LFG]

How many times do I need to pick Sawyer and kate beofore TPTB do something

[MrNewEngland]

Can I vote for a girl on girl scene with her & Ana Lucia? That would be worth watching.

[???]

Jack and Kate, although I think Jack is a whiny baby and I don't like him at all.

[Jaterholic.Chloe]

jack and kate of course perfect match :)

[The Lost Legend]

Can I vote for a girl on girl scene with her & Ana Lucia? That would be worth watching.

But shes dead. She'll be doing it with a .... eww!

[SareBear00]

SKATE!!

[ryanshedy]

wait , why is sawyer winning he is a scruff and kate deseves better

JACK AND KATE

[DarthKitty]

Kate and Sawyer! Hubby says Kate, Alex and Claire :rolleyez:

[joethomson]

I'm saying Jack and Kate... I'm not one of those people that have silly things like "OMG 4EVA JATE IS FATE" but I think they will end up together. If there was the secret third option I would have got Jack & Sawyer. I find it hard to believe that out of all of our main cast, not one of them is gay.

[Alostcause]

Jack & Sawyer
What?

[LostInWilderness]

Me. She ran away from Homer, and rightfully so. Me.

[Lost Addict]

Jack & Kate.

[TheBigCat]

Moving poll posts from duplicate thread.

[Daniel]

I said it before and I'll say it again

Kate & Monster

[PabloCruiseTX]

The one and only choice is Jack.

[midnightSawyerFan]

No other choice for me but Sawyer - that man loves Kate & I reckon he doesn't fall in love that easily! I've never seen evidence that Jack loves Kate & IMO I think he's more likely to fall in love with some other girl too :rolleyes:

[PolkaDot]

Jack, :Cheers: there is no other man.

[Irlandia]

Sawyer is her man!!!! Definitely!!!!! :love2:

[PolkaDot]

Sawyer is her man!!!! Definitely!!!!! :love2:

this thread could cause fights. i think sawyer is hot, but...i'll shut up.

[Irlandia]

this thread could cause fights. i think sawyer is hot, but...i'll shut up.

lol. I understand that you like Jack. Everyone to their own taste. :)
We won't fight about that, right? lol :innocent:

But Sawyer is definitely the best. (ok, sorry. lol :) )

[PolkaDot]

lol. I understand that you like Jack. Everyone to their own taste. :)
We won't fight about that, right? lol :innocent:

But Sawyer is definitely the best. (ok, sorry. lol :) )

i won't fight with you. i'm new, don't want to start off on a bad hand. i think jack is the best. but like i said, sawyer is still hot. so he does have some good points with me. :coffeedunk:

[Irlandia]

Me too, i'm new.

Welcome on board PolkaDot! :)

[PolkaDot]

you too! i just registered today.

[midnightSawyerFan]

Welcome Irlandia and PolkaDot!
Have to agree with Irlandia too and say what I've said all along - Sawyer is the only one for Kate - Skate forever :makeout: :kiss: :heartpump

[Irlandia]

Welcome Irlandia and PolkaDot!
Have to agree with Irlandia too and say what I've said all along - Sawyer is the only one for Kate - Skate forever :makeout: :kiss: :heartpump

Yeah, Skate forever! I couldn't have said it better. :Cheers:

[PolkaDot]

i'm still sticking with Jack.

[LucyLocke]

Jack, I don't think It's ever gonna happen with Sawyer.

[PolkaDot]

Jack, I don't think It's ever gonna happen with Sawyer.

thank you. and i've read too many articles saying that it will most likely happen with jack. there's just more chemistry there. despite was Skaters may think.

[Irlandia]

More chemistry???!!! :rolleyez: There's no chemistry between Kate and Jack.
Kate and Sawyer are on a level. ( even Evi said it.)
They understand each other. Kate was more holding on to Sawyer in season 2. She knows there's nothing possible between Jack and her. Jack has no faith in her. He will always doubt her intentions. He keeps judging her, and that's seriously getting on my nerves. :mad:

[LaLagirl]

I voted nobody, but it could be someone else - i.e. NOT Jack or Sawyer. Sawyer is a lone wolf and Jack is too emotionally constipated.

"emotionally constipated"!! That made me laugh SO much lol

Except i am convinced her and jack have a connection - and even josh holloway said in some interview to matthew fox that he would eventually get the girl (ie kate). Yay

[LaLagirl]

i'm still sticking with Jack.

I'll stick with you! I need to get away from all the angry skate shippers in another thread i was in anyway....

[PabloCruiseTX]

More chemistry???!!! :rolleyez: There's no chemistry between Kate and Jack.
Kate and Sawyer are on a level. ( even Evi said it.)
They understand each other. Kate was more holding on to Sawyer in season 2. She knows there's nothing possible between Jack and her. Jack has no faith in her. He will always doubt her intentions. He keeps judging her, and that's seriously getting on my nerves. :mad:

I think you need to update your whatchamacallit because that's not the most recent Evangeline Lilly view on Sawyer and Kate. The following is part of an interview she had where she explained her views on Skate and Jate.

Words from Evangeline Lilly dated June 2006.

But here's a highlight on the Jate versus Skate conundrum from Evangeline: "I used to say that Kate and Sawyer made a more appropriate pair because they were on a level with one another, whereas with Jack, Kate needed to redeem herself a bit in order to have him see her--in my opinion--as an equal. But I feel like she's getting there. You can see the changes in Kate, and you can see her growing and developing a confidence around Jack. She's saying 'You know what, you are just as screwed up as I am, and who are you to be above me?' I think once they get past that, it could be really amazing."

Evangeline went on to say that, "I think that there's something about Sawyer that's so much like her, that her love for him is almost like a sibling, you know, like a brother, or like a best friend. I mean, can't you imagine Kate and Sawyer making the most amazing friends and team and partners? Romantically, I think she hasn't seen that. Although, she felt something when they kissed, for sure!"

L: Do you think Kate will be pissed or upset if she finds out about what happened between Sawyer and Ana Lucia?

E: I think Kate is not invested enough in the romance with Sawyer. I think Kate is really invested in the friendship and the connection and the emotional comraderie with Sawyer. I’m not convinced that she is there romantically. I think, romantically, her heart’s more with Jack. That’s my own personal opinion.

We can therefore conclude that from her point of view Jate is Fate (at the moment). Hopefully, she has enough influence with the writers.

[Irlandia]

Well, i didn't know Evie said that. :(
But i hope she will change her mind again, if the writers make Sawyer and Kate get close in season 3.

[LaLagirl]

I think you need to update your whatchamacallit because that's not the most recent Evangeline Lilly view on Sawyer and Kate. The following is part of an interview she had where she explained her views on Skate and Jate.

Words from Evangeline Lilly dated June 2006.

But here's a highlight on the Jate versus Skate conundrum from Evangeline: "I used to say that Kate and Sawyer made a more appropriate pair because they were on a level with one another, whereas with Jack, Kate needed to redeem herself a bit in order to have him see her--in my opinion--as an equal. But I feel like she's getting there. You can see the changes in Kate, and you can see her growing and developing a confidence around Jack. She's saying 'You know what, you are just as screwed up as I am, and who are you to be above me?' I think once they get past that, it could be really amazing."

Evangeline went on to say that, "I think that there's something about Sawyer that's so much like her, that her love for him is almost like a sibling, you know, like a brother, or like a best friend. I mean, can't you imagine Kate and Sawyer making the most amazing friends and team and partners? Romantically, I think she hasn't seen that. Although, she felt something when they kissed, for sure!"

L: Do you think Kate will be pissed or upset if she finds out about what happened between Sawyer and Ana Lucia?

E: I think Kate is not invested enough in the romance with Sawyer. I think Kate is really invested in the friendship and the connection and the emotional comraderie with Sawyer. I’m not convinced that she is there romantically. I think, romantically, her heart’s more with Jack. That’s my own personal opinion.

We can therefore conclude that from her point of view Jate is Fate (at the moment). Hopefully, she has enough influence with the writers.

Ooh goodie!! *jumps up and down* where is this article?

[CharismaInjection]

I prefer Kate and Sawyer.

Jack and Kate seems too obvious and too 'fairytale' that the main hero and heroine characters would end up together.

[Irlandia]

I prefer Kate and Sawyer.

Jack and Kate seems too obvious and too 'fairytale' that the main hero and heroine characters would end up together.

That's what i think too. :)
The writers never do what is too obvious. So, if they want to be original, they have to favour Skate.

[PabloCruiseTX]

Ooh goodie!! *jumps up and down* where is this article?

I found the interview here: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php...70#post1465670 (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php...70#post1465670)

Then I googled it and found the actual interview but for some unfathomable reason I didn't keep it or I accidently deleted it. :confused:

[midnightSawyerFan]

I think you need to update your whatchamacallit because that's not the most recent Evangeline Lilly view on Sawyer and Kate. The following is part of an interview she had where she explained her views on Skate and Jate.

Words from Evangeline Lilly dated June 2006.

But here's a highlight on the Jate versus Skate conundrum from Evangeline: "I used to say that Kate and Sawyer made a more appropriate pair because they were on a level with one another, whereas with Jack, Kate needed to redeem herself a bit in order to have him see her--in my opinion--as an equal. But I feel like she's getting there. You can see the changes in Kate, and you can see her growing and developing a confidence around Jack. She's saying 'You know what, you are just as screwed up as I am, and who are you to be above me?' I think once they get past that, it could be really amazing."

Evangeline went on to say that, "I think that there's something about Sawyer that's so much like her, that her love for him is almost like a sibling, you know, like a brother, or like a best friend. I mean, can't you imagine Kate and Sawyer making the most amazing friends and team and partners? Romantically, I think she hasn't seen that. Although, she felt something when they kissed, for sure!"

L: Do you think Kate will be pissed or upset if she finds out about what happened between Sawyer and Ana Lucia?

E: I think Kate is not invested enough in the romance with Sawyer. I think Kate is really invested in the friendship and the connection and the emotional comraderie with Sawyer. I’m not convinced that she is there romantically. I think, romantically, her heart’s more with Jack. That’s my own personal opinion.

We can therefore conclude that from her point of view Jate is Fate (at the moment). Hopefully, she has enough influence with the writers.

I think Evie states her reasons for why both Jate and Skate could work. Evie also seemingly said the following on the Season 2 DVD commentaries:

On dvd and epi WKD the commentary was saying what great chemistry the three of them all have - and Evie thought they were talking about chemistry between the horse, Sawyer and Kate! - She was like WTF?!? - then the other guys said 'No, between Sawyer, Jack and Kate'.

:rotfl: - Seems like she can have her own laugh at the 'triangle' too!

[DesmondFan25]

I say Jack, Sawyer/Kate I see as more of a friendship deal.

[Irlandia]

On dvd and epi WKD the commentary was saying what great chemistry the three of them all have - and Evie thought they were talking about chemistry between the horse, Sawyer and Kate! - She was like WTF?!? - then the other guys said 'No, between Sawyer, Jack and Kate'.

:rotfl: - Seems like she can have her own laugh at the 'triangle' too!

I got just 3 words to say : EVI, YOU ROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rotfl: :clap: :jester: :thumbs_up :D :Cheers: :rotfl:

[MorningTheft]

I prefer Kate and Sawyer.

Jack and Kate seems too obvious and too 'fairytale' that the main hero and heroine characters would end up together.

That is one of the many problems I have with Jate. They were obvious from the word go. As soon as Kate found Jack in the pilot I knew that this was suppose to be the couple that was going to be together and that the writers wanted the audience to want to together. I know that the writers want Jate to be loved and want the audience in Jate's corner, but something has always been off about them for me. They are suppose to be this love story that doesn't discriminate against your background, but I have always wondered why TPTB have tried so hard especially in the first arc of the first season to push these two strangers together and make it seem natural. The first time I noticed something was off about them was in the pilot when Jack and Kate were talking and he made a plane out of a leaf and they were telling each other their names. I immediately thought that they were awkward and this is the couple of Lost. I compare Jate of Lost to Sydney and Vaughn of Alias. I loved Alias and loved Syd and Vaughn together, however you knew from the beginning that Sydney and Vaughn were going to be together and they were going to be obstacles, but that they would always find each other again. In a way they were obvious too. The difference for me is that they were no other options. She was never going to be with the bad boy Sark, and she was never going to be with her best friend Will. In Lost there is an alternative to the hero gets the girl, the hero that shows the misguided girl a better life if she learns from her past. Jack and Kate are the obvious choice in many respects. Personally, I find Skate much more interesting to watch.

[midnightSawyerFan]

That is one of the many problems I have with Jate. They were obvious from the word go. As soon as Kate found Jack in the pilot I knew that this was suppose to be the couple that was going to be together and that the writers wanted the audience to want to together. I know that the writers want Jate to be loved and want the audience in Jate's corner, but something has always been off about them for me. They are suppose to be this love story that doesn't discriminate against your background, but I have always wondered why TPTB have tried so hard especially in the first arc of the first season to push these two strangers together and make it seem natural. The first time I noticed something was off about them was in the pilot when Jack and Kate were talking and he made a plane out of a leaf and they were telling each other their names. I immediately thought that they were awkward and this is the couple of Lost. I compare Jate of Lost to Sydney and Vaughn of Alias. I loved Alias and loved Syd and Vaughn together, however you knew from the beginning that Sydney and Vaughn were going to be together and they were going to be obstacles, but that they would always find each other again. In a way they were obvious too. The difference for me is that they were no other options. She was never going to be with the bad boy Sark, and she was never going to be with her best friend Will. In Lost there is an alternative to the hero gets the girl, the hero that shows the misguided girl a better life if she learns from her past. Jack and Kate are the obvious choice in many respects. Personally, I find Skate much more interesting to watch.

Absolutely MorningTheft - and I think that TPTB never planned the 'triangle' either - it was only when they saw how Sawyer/Josh and Kate/Evie interacted on screen together that they decided to use their chemistry together & therefore give Jack some competition

[Irlandia]

I completely agree with you MorningTheft and midnightSawyerFan.
The Jack/Kate couple is just too obvious to me. And when it's too obvious, it's not interesting. I know i said it a lot but, i don't feel that much chemistry between the two of them.

[SareBear00]

I completely agree with you MorningTheft and midnightSawyerFan.

Me too! Go Skate!!

[MorningTheft]

I completely agree with you MorningTheft and midnightSawyerFan.
The Jack/Kate couple is just too obvious to me. And when it's too obvious, it's not interesting. I know i said it a lot but, i don't feel that much chemistry between the two of them.

Any you keep saying it too b/c its true as far as I can tell. Honestly, when I first watched the show and especially those first handful of episodes when it was obvious what they were trying to do, I didn't find anything special or amazing or unique that made me sit up and take notice of Jack and Kate. It wasn't until I came online, and this was after the Skate kiss, that I realized that there were ppl that wanted and loved Jack and Kate together cause intially and even now I have never seen anything to make me want to want them together. To me they are very ordinary and nothing about them says "meant to be" or "we are a couple". I know that's what the writers want me to think, but something is lost in the translation from script to screen.

[Irlandia]

something is lost in the translation from script to screen.

That's sooo true! :worshippy

[Dezdemona]

know that's what the writers want me to think, but something is lost in the translation from script to screen.
The thing that's missing is chemistry. In fact, I find that Evie/Kate and Matt/Jack have some sort of anti-chemistry thing going on. Whenever Kate flirts with Jack, it's downright painful to watch because Evie (IMO) overacts the scene every time. Think about that scene where she's challenging him to a golf competition as an example. Ouch! It's like she has to put it all in the (over)acting because it's not naturally there in the chemistry. When Kate flirts with Sawyer, Evie plays it much more subtly, simple because she can afford to. It's already there in the chemisty.

P.S. Have you all voted for S.A.S.S.A.F.R.A.S.S in the HIATUS AWARDS? Sawyer is currently getting his cute little tush beaten badly by Desmond and Locke. Vote here in Poll #10 "Best Character Thread."
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23191

[midnightSawyerFan]

The thing that's missing is chemistry. In fact, I find that Evie/Kate and Matt/Jack have some sort of anti-chemistry thing going on. Whenever Kate flirts with Jack, it's downright painful to watch because Evie (IMO) overacts the scene every time. Think about that scene where she's challenging him to a golf competition as an example. Ouch! It's like she has to put it all in the (over)acting because it's not naturally there in the chemistry. When Kate flirts with Sawyer, Evie plays it much more subtly, simple because she can afford to. It's already there in the chemisty.

:yeah: - sounds exactly right Dezdemona ;)


P.S. Have you all voted for S.A.S.S.A.F.R.A.S.S in the HIATUS AWARDS? Sawyer is currently getting his cute little tush beaten badly by Desmond and Locke. Vote here in Poll #10 "Best Character Thread."
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23191

Just voted. Thanks for the link :)

[LaLagirl]

This is slowly turning into a Sawyer/Kate thread...
Jack/Kate people - "light em up!"

[Summer]

I dunno if I already posted but >>>> J A C K is the man 4 K a t e :)

[LaLagirl]

I dunno if I already posted but >>>> J A C K is the man 4 K a t e :)

Wow your avatar is pretty damn cool :)

[Dezdemona]

One more reason why I think Sawyer is the better man for Kate:

When Jack gets jealous or ticked off with Kate, he pulls away and gives her the cold shoulder...even in dire circumstances. Witness THP, he yelled at her and treated her like crap at the beginning and wouldn't let her come along because his nose was out of joint. Then she's captured and terrified out her mind, and he won't even LOOK at her when she's released, much less offer her support and comfort. All the way back, she's pleading for his foregiveness and he's STILL being the ice man because it's All. About. HIM. HIS ego, HIS feelings, HIS needs, HIS fears of getting close and blah, blah, blah.

Sawyer, OTOH, always treats her like a person and does NOT give her the cold shoulder or treat her badly when he's jealous. Witness the scenes in the hatch in "Two for the Road", and the way he was with her when they went to his tent to get the guns. Even after he thinks she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her nicely, and later on he comforts her when she's crying over the deaths of Ana and Libby. And again, on the journey in the finale... still thinking she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her like a person, doesn't give her the cold shoulder or the bitchy disapproving act that Jack pulls.

Jack's whole attitude toward Kate is colored with an air of righteousness and superiority, and when he "disapproves" of her he treats her like crap. No way does that make for a good relationship. At least Sawyer sees her like a person, and treats her like one, even when they're on the outs... and I find that more appealing. The way Kate begs for crumbs from Jack is nauseating and that's what makes the idea of a relationship between them repugnant to me. It reminds me of the way a puppy begs for attention, or a small child would react to a cold and distant parent. Nothing sexy or appealing about that to me at all.

[midnightSawyerFan]

One more reason why I think Sawyer is the better man for Kate:

When Jack gets jealous or ticked off with Kate, he pulls away and gives her the cold shoulder...even in dire circumstances. Witness THP, he yelled at her and treated her like crap at the beginning and wouldn't let her come along because his nose was out of joint. Then she's captured and terrified out her mind, and he won't even LOOK at her when she's released, much less offer her support and comfort. All the way back, she's pleading for his foregiveness and he's STILL being the ice man because it's All. About. HIM. HIS ego, HIS feelings, HIS needs, HIS fears of getting close and blah, blah, blah.

Sawyer, OTOH, always treats her like a person and does NOT give her the cold shoulder or treat her badly when he's jealous. Witness the scenes in the hatch in "Two for the Road". Even after he thinks she's had sex with Jack, he comforts her when she's crying. And again, on the journey in the finale... still thinking she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her like a person, doesn't give her the cold shoulder or the bitchy disapproving act that Jack pulls.

Jack's whole attitude toward Kate is colored with an air of righteousness and superiority, and when he "disapproves" of her he treats her like crap. No way does that make for a good relationship. At least Sawyer sees her like a person, and treats her like one, even when they're on the outs... and I find that more appealing. The way Kate begs for crumbs from Jack is nauseating and that's what makes the idea of a relationship between them repugnant to me. It reminds me of the way a puppy begs for attention, or a small child would react to a cold and distant parent. Nothing sexy or appealing about that to me at all.

:yeah:

[Irlandia]

Witness THP, he yelled at her and treated her like crap at the beginning and wouldn't let her come along because his nose was out of joint. Then she's captured and terrified out her mind, and he won't even LOOK at her when she's released, much less offer her support and comfort. All the way back, she's pleading for his foregiveness and he's STILL being the ice man because it's All. About. HIM. HIS ego, HIS feelings, HIS needs, HIS fears of getting close and blah, blah, blah.


I completely hated Jack's behavior in that episode! I wanted to yell at him so much, and to tell him not to treat her like that! He was disgusting (and he often acts in a disgusting way when it comes to Kate), but especially in that epi.
Sawyer never behaves that righteously superior when it comes to Kate. He never ignores her. That's why i keep saying that Evi was right when she said Kate and Sawyer are on a level.

[MissRKO]

One more reason why I think Sawyer is the better man for Kate:

When Jack gets jealous or ticked off with Kate, he pulls away and gives her the cold shoulder...even in dire circumstances. Witness THP, he yelled at her and treated her like crap at the beginning and wouldn't let her come along because his nose was out of joint. Then she's captured and terrified out her mind, and he won't even LOOK at her when she's released, much less offer her support and comfort. All the way back, she's pleading for his foregiveness and he's STILL being the ice man because it's All. About. HIM. HIS ego, HIS feelings, HIS needs, HIS fears of getting close and blah, blah, blah.

Sawyer, OTOH, always treats her like a person and does NOT give her the cold shoulder or treat her badly when he's jealous. Witness the scenes in the hatch in "Two for the Road", and the way he was with her when they went to his tent to get the guns. Even after he thinks she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her nicely, and later on he comforts her when she's crying over the deaths of Ana and Libby. And again, on the journey in the finale... still thinking she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her like a person, doesn't give her the cold shoulder or the bitchy disapproving act that Jack pulls.

Jack's whole attitude toward Kate is colored with an air of righteousness and superiority, and when he "disapproves" of her he treats her like crap. No way does that make for a good relationship. At least Sawyer sees her like a person, and treats her like one, even when they're on the outs... and I find that more appealing. The way Kate begs for crumbs from Jack is nauseating and that's what makes the idea of a relationship between them repugnant to me. It reminds me of the way a puppy begs for attention, or a small child would react to a cold and distant parent. Nothing sexy or appealing about that to me at all.


I think that's a perfect way to describe why Kate should end up with Sawyer. Jack has too much going on to really focus on his relationship with Kate right now. He is supposed to be "the leader" of the Losties and I don't think he can give everything to Kate that she deserves.

And Sawyer just gets Kate. Sawyer and Kate had a connection from the begining and I didn't really see that between Jack and Kate.

[midnightSawyerFan]

I think that's a perfect way to describe why Kate should end up with Sawyer. Jack has too much going on to really focus on his relationship with Kate right now. He is supposed to be "the leader" of the Losties and I don't think he can give everything to Kate that she deserves.

It is a perfect way to describe the reasons for Skate ;) and I too don't believe that Kate would ever be first in Jack's eyes, not in the same way that Sawyer would put her first anyway. Jack has never convinced me that Kate would be his all-time no. 1 love, Sawyer has - he may try to deny it to himself but he still manages to get that feeling across in so many ways :p

And Sawyer just gets Kate. Sawyer and Kate had a connection from the begining and I didn't really see that between Jack and Kate.

Absolutely and totally agree to the above MissRKO! :thumbs_up

[LaLagirl]

Ahh the ever going battle of who does she like continues...
Hey, ever wondered if there could be a Kate/Charlie one???
Lol, Karlie! or Chate!

[Irlandia]

Hey, ever wondered if there could be a Kate/Charlie one???
Lol, Karlie! or Chate!

lol. Even if i am happy that Evi and Dom are together, i don't think that could be an ideal couple in the show. I dunno...i just can't picture it. :p

[j-losti]

Irlandia, yeah I'm happy they're together too. But no way on the show! Although i voted for skate, I reckon her ending up with no one would be a bit of a blow for kate because I guess she thinks she's gonna end up with one of them.:rolleyez:

[PabloCruiseTX]

:spoiler: :spoiler: :spoiler: :spoiler:


DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR LOST SEASON 3 EXPERIENCE TO POSSIBLY BE SPOILED!!!!




"Producer Burk promised that many of the second season's looming questions would be answered in the first six episodes. But, warned actor Daniel Dae Kim, "I think for every question that's answered, there's another one that's posed, and that's kind of what keeps people coming back."

Cuse said the new season will include more action and adventure, and that new characters could well serve as love interests. And, he added, Sawyer (Holloway) and Jack (Matthew Fox) definitely will be competing for the romantic affections of Kate (Lilly).

But don't expect the show to get all soft.

"There'll be a lot of love. There'll be a lot of comedy," Burk said. "But we never can forget that these people are in a very dark place.""

That is from http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...t/15291708.htm (http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/entertainment/15291708.htm)

I think we can put to rest those theories about Jack falling for someone else.

[Dezdemona]

I think you've crossed into spoiler territory here, so to be safe I'm going to add tags.
ETA, APPARENTLY THERE ARE NO SPOILER TAGS ON THIS FORUM??? Hence, I've snipped my quote to contain only the pertinent sentence.


WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR S3. DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED!

:spoiler:
"Producer Burk promised that many of the second season's looming questions would be answered in the first six episodes. But, warned actor Daniel Dae Kim, "I think for every question that's answered, there's another one that's posed, and that's kind of what keeps people coming back."

Cuse said the new season will include more action and adventure, and that new characters could well serve as love interests. And, he added, Sawyer (Holloway) and Jack (Matthew Fox) definitely will be competing for the romantic affections of Kate (Lilly).

But don't expect the show to get all soft.

"There'll be a lot of love. There'll be a lot of comedy," Burk said. "But we never can forget that these people are in a very dark place.""

That is from http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...t/15291708.htm (http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/entertainment/15291708.htm)

I think we can put to rest those theories about Jack falling for someone else.

And yet...


08/07 - <SNIP> Romance looms on the horizon as Jack's interests veer towards a mysterious new woman, whose motives may be questionable. <SNIP> Source: ABC (http://abc.go.com/)

Posted on Spoilerfix: http://spoilerfix.com/lost.php

I can't help thinking that since ABC will actually be issuing her paycheck, they might have some idea of her purpose on the show. :D

So Jack and Sawyer compete; Jack loses; enter Juliet.
Alternatively, Jack and Sawyer compete; Kate sees Jack with Juliet (possibly a social and professional peer, which Kate most certainly isn't) and has a "What the hell was I thinking?" epiphany; Kate chooses Sawyer...who has been "competing", and presumably showing his interest and feelings for her. Ta-da!

:p

[Mr. Cluck]

Somehow Jack and Kate will be brother and sister.

BTC - This is my very first Shippers post.

[MorningTheft]

Somehow Jack and Kate will be brother and sister.


That's the vibe I already get from them.

[PabloCruiseTX]

Oops! I forgot about the spoiler alert! Apologies to all..

I think Kate and Sawyer are more like friends their kiss notwithstanding...now they did share a hot moment when they kissed but i view their relationship and chemistry as that characteristic of a one-night stand whereas Kate and Jack have something that goes deeper and has more substance.

Evangeline: "I think, romantically, her heart’s more with Jack. That’s my own personal opinion."

Evangeline Lilly also had this to say:

"I think Kate is not invested enough in the romance with Sawyer. I think Kate is really invested in the friendship and the connection and the emotional comraderie with Sawyer."

"I think that there's something about Sawyer that's so much like her, that her love for him is almost like a sibling, you know, like a brother, or like a best friend. I mean, can't you imagine Kate and Sawyer making the most amazing friends and team and partners?"

It's nice to know that she agrees with us Jaters.

Let me anticipate some responses:

Yes...I am aware she is not a writer on the show but she probably has some influence on the writers...we don't and never will.

Yes...her opinions don't mean Kate and Jack will end up together but her opinion definitely gives us Jaters something to smile about.

Another thing...alot is said about Kate and Jack not having any chemistry. Are we all watching the same show??? :scratchch

Dezdemona: "The thing that's missing is chemistry. In fact, I find that Evie/Kate and Matt/Jack have some sort of anti-chemistry thing going on."

Mr Cluck: "Somehow Jack and Kate will be brother and sister."

MorningTheft: "That's the vibe I already get from them."

That definitely isn't the vibe Evangeline Lilly has about Jack and Kate!

[SareBear00]

Somehow Jack and Kate will be brother and sister.

BTC - This is my very first Shippers post.
Hahaha, :rotfl: that would make my day if they were. And welcome to the shippers Mr.Cluck. Nice to see you here :)


That definitely isn't the vibe Evangeline Lilly has about Jack and Kate!No offense PabloCruiseTX, but it really doesn't matter what Evie thinks or any of the actors/actresses for that matter. The entire decision is up to TBTP, and no one but them have a say in the final outcome of the situation.

[MorningTheft]

Oops! I forgot about the spoiler alert! Apologies to all..

I think Kate and Sawyer are more like friends their kiss notwithstanding...now they did share a hot moment when they kissed but i view their relationship and chemistry as that characteristic of a one-night stand whereas Kate and Jack have something that goes deeper and has more substance.

Evangeline: "I think, romantically, her heart’s more with Jack. That’s my own personal opinion."

Evangeline Lilly also had this to say:

"I think Kate is not invested enough in the romance with Sawyer. I think Kate is really invested in the friendship and the connection and the emotional comraderie with Sawyer."

"I think that there's something about Sawyer that's so much like her, that her love for him is almost like a sibling, you know, like a brother, or like a best friend. I mean, can't you imagine Kate and Sawyer making the most amazing friends and team and partners?"

It's nice to know that she agrees with us Jaters.

Let me anticipate some responses:

Yes...I am aware she is not a writer on the show but she probably has some influence on the writers...we don't and never will.

Yes...her opinions don't mean Kate and Jack will end up together but her opinion definitely gives us Jaters something to smile about.

Another thing...alot is said about Kate and Jack not having any chemistry. Are we all watching the same show??? :scratchch

Dezdemona: "The thing that's missing is chemistry. In fact, I find that Evie/Kate and Matt/Jack have some sort of anti-chemistry thing going on."

Mr Cluck: "Somehow Jack and Kate will be brother and sister."

MorningTheft: "That's the vibe I already get from them."

That definitely isn't the vibe Evangeline Lilly has about Jack and Kate!

Honestly, PabloCruiseTX I could find just as many Evi interviews where she is very positive about Sawyer and Kate. Evi has recently said all that, where as for the better part of two seasons it was all about Sawyer and Kate. Now you said that she is not a writer and she has some influence on the writers. That might be true, but she is not going to walk into the writers room and tell them to get Jack and Kate together (although she did do that in regards to Skate about 1 year ago). This is not Evi or Foxy's or Josh's story, this is Damon and Carlton's, so they are going to tell it however they want. As far as the Jate chemistry and Evi not getting that vibe from Jack and Kate, the only thing I can say about that is when she is in scenes with Jack, I find them boring and not at all interesting and no disrespect to Evi but I don't get chemistry with her and Foxy

[midnightSawyerFan]

That definitely isn't the vibe Evangeline Lilly has about Jack and Kate!
It may or may not be the vibe Evie has - she has said as much for Sawyer & Kate together as she has for Jack & Kate. She in all probability can't actually state one way or the other all of the time as I'm sure she is aware that fans take note of what she says - she has to keep it on an even balance I'd say. I'd also say that most likely none of us know what she really thinks about who Kate should end up with.

I also can't see any chemistry between Jack/Matt & Kate/Evie - I can't understand how anyone can see any - but then again, those who wish for Jate probably say the same thing about Skate - most Jaters can see the Skate kiss was great, I can't say the same would apply to Skaters' views on the Jate kiss, not this Skater anyway - sorry!

[SareBear00]

Yay, Sawyer is winning! :D

[LaLagirl]

Arghh...the point is Kate belongs with jack

No sawyer

Actually Jack.

Yeah allright, Jack.

See? Jack won!

Evangeline Lilly is right!

[ILoveEko]

Voted Jack... kinda doesn't matter to me, but I like her with Jack over Sawyer.

[Irlandia]

See? Jack won!


No, Sawyer wins!!!!!! :Cheers:

[MATTC]

She should go with Jack!:nanabobo:

[Subject # 4815162342]

Kate should end up with gonorrhea.....at the rate she's sluttin' it up,anyway.




I'm just playin',Kate....you know I love you.

[skate22]

SAWYER!!

[whitenoise]

When i watch the first season i feel its Jack all the way. But two and three (obviously cos she hasnt seen Jack yet) i've felt her and Sawyer are more suited. Hahah and her and Sawyer have always had that sexual tension on, so if they do get it on i wonder what it'll be like afterwards?

[Racka]

SAWYER, of course. No doubt about it. Jack is boring. Sawyer is sexy and funny, so Kate should be with him.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

So since when does Evi support Jate? Was that because the producers told her she'd end up with Jack and wanted to see if she spilled about it? Because as far as her Jate enthusiasm goes, that's what I heard it was about.

To be quite honest, I believe she should be with Sawyer. Don't make me go into super long explanation because you'll all kill me then. :p

[???]

:yeah: Sawyer

[Leia Amos]

To be quite honest, I believe she should be with Sawyer. Don't make me go into super long explanation because you'll all kill me then. :p

Dee, I was wondering if you might try to get Both as an option. Then SKJATE could be realized for all.
:nanabobo: Sorry, I just like to tease you, although I have found some one-shots with S/K/J together.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Oh you have, have you? Provide a link for me please, via PM!!! :) And yeah, I'd settle for SKJATE!! Whoo!

[Raifen]

I also can't see any chemistry between Jack/Matt & Kate/Evie - I can't understand how anyone can see any - but then again, those who wish for Jate probably say the same thing about Skate - most Jaters can see the Skate kiss was great, I can't say the same would apply to Skaters' views on the Jate kiss, not this Skater anyway - sorry!

Really, cause Jaters I know didn't think the Skate kiss was great. I've always felt EL & JH had no chemistry. It's weird because usually I like the bad boys in the triangles, but I can't with Sawyer/Kate due somewhat to a lack of chemistry I see between the actors. It's kind of like this to me...actors with great chemistry, like Yunjin Kim & Daniel Dae Kim...when they're in scenes together, they don't have to be kissing, touching, etc. You can just feel the chemistry between them. I've never felt that with Josh & Evie. To me, when they're sitting together, you don't feel anything. But that's just me.

Plus, aside from the chemistry, I don't think Kate & Sawyer are right for each other because they don't really have anything in common. Yeah, sure, they're both conmen and out for themselves most of the time, but aside from that, they're very different people. Sawyer's an outcast, while Kate fits in with everyone on the island (Claire, Sun, Hurley, etc.). Kate wants to be in on everything, while Sawyer wants to keep to himself. Sawyer's always insulting people, while Kate wants to be friendly with everyone for the most part. JMHO, those two personalities would clash tremendously in a relationship. Plus, on top of that, Kate looked at Sawyer once and saw her abusive father. JMHO, I don't know how she could move past that.

So I'd like to see Kate with Jack, and if not him then at least Sayid. Just not Sawyer, lol.

[midnightSawyerFan]

Really, cause Jaters I know didn't think the Skate kiss was great. I've always felt EL & JH had no chemistry. It's weird because usually I like the bad boys in the triangles, but I can't with Sawyer/Kate due somewhat to a lack of chemistry I see between the actors. It's kind of like this to me...actors with great chemistry, like Yunjin Kim & Daniel Dae Kim...when they're in scenes together, they don't have to be kissing, touching, etc. You can just feel the chemistry between them. I've never felt that with Josh & Evie. To me, when they're sitting together, you don't feel anything. But that's just me.

Plus, aside from the chemistry, I don't think Kate & Sawyer are right for each other because they don't really have anything in common. Yeah, sure, they're both conmen and out for themselves most of the time, but aside from that, they're very different people. Sawyer's an outcast, while Kate fits in with everyone on the island (Claire, Sun, Hurley, etc.). Kate wants to be in on everything, while Sawyer wants to keep to himself. Sawyer's always insulting people, while Kate wants to be friendly with everyone for the most part. JMHO, those two personalities would clash tremendously in a relationship. Plus, on top of that, Kate looked at Sawyer once and saw her abusive father. JMHO, I don't know how she could move past that.

So I'd like to see Kate with Jack, and if not him then at least Sayid. Just not Sawyer, lol.

Well, it certainly looks like Kate is with Sawyer now doesn't it? I honestly can't believe that it's possible not to see the chemistry between those two - they just sizzle being on screen together no matter what the situation is! Obviously then, some people just don't see this, but I have to say that I think you're missing out bigtime! Definitely these two have provided some of the best scenes ever on screen when it comes to passion - have you seen the looks in their eyes in 'I Do' post sex? Kate looked soooo happy, Sawyer looking at her so tenderly... awww. These two beyond a shadow of a doubt are in love.

Take a look at these screen caps again, scroll down the page to see some of those looks:
http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=50655&page=32

As for Kate wanting to be 'in on everything' and Sawyer wanting to 'keep to himself' - even if this is the case, that doesn't mean a thing when it comes to a potential relationship. They can both bring out the best in each other too anyway. They both have so many issues to deal with from their past lives and they both know that & understand that about one another - unlike Jack who just doesn't see it with Kate - he doesn't accept anything other than perfection IMO and I think he can't accept that there's a side to Kate that is far from perfect. This is a side he doesn't want to know about. Which is not a good foundation for any potential long-lasting relationship.

As for Kate thinking that her father was trying to get a message through Sawyer, I think Kate moved past that feeling of Wayne being any part of him back in WKD too - so she's already well over that.

I'm not saying that Sawyer & Kate are ever going to have a 'clash-free' relationship - they'll both continue to annoy the hell out of each other at times am sure - this will be fun to watch - 'cos when it comes down to it, they're there for one another when it comes to stuff that really matters and their 'making up' moments will be extra delightful too! Lots of people in real relationships often have moments like these too, lots of little arguments which don't mean much when it comes to whether they truly love one another or not.
Makes SKate seem so much more 'real' in terms of being a couple IMO.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

:yeah: You rock, midnightsawyerfan!

[Lost Ken]

I want to go on record that if Sawyer and Jack and Kate are all alive at the end of the show that Kate will wind up with Jack.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

You know I'm thinking...how is she going to wind up with either of them by the end of the show? If they resolve the island and get rescued, her @$$ is goin' to jail!!

[TheBigCat]

That is why I would reccomend that when the rescue helos arrive she hide in the Staff Station

[Leia Amos]

That is why I would reccomend that when the rescue helos arrive she hide in the Staff Station

Sounds like a good idea TBC, that's where I'm hiding out right now.

L;)L

[SuperOrange]

Im excited to see what things will be like when Kate and Sawyer return to camp. They have to eventually.

[Fletcher]

I've been a Skate supporter for a while, so I'm really excited and happy that Kate chose Sawyer! Still, I have to disagree with the Skaters who say Kate and Jack had no chemistry. I definitely think its there, and has been from the "Pilot." Part of what was so great about the love triangle (which, yes, I think is pretty much finished now) is that both relationships had their charm. I like Skate better, but even if she had ended up with Jack I don't think it would've been such a bad thing.

[Raifen]

Well, it certainly looks like Kate is with Sawyer now doesn't it? I honestly can't believe that it's possible not to see the chemistry between those two - they just sizzle being on screen together no matter what the situation is! Obviously then, some people just don't see this, but I have to say that I think you're missing out bigtime! Definitely these two have provided some of the best scenes ever on screen when it comes to passion - have you seen the looks in their eyes in 'I Do' post sex? Kate looked soooo happy, Sawyer looking at her so tenderly... awww. These two beyond a shadow of a doubt are in love.

Take a look at these screen caps again, scroll down the page to see some of those looks:
http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=50655&page=32

As for Kate wanting to be 'in on everything' and Sawyer wanting to 'keep to himself' - even if this is the case, that doesn't mean a thing when it comes to a potential relationship. They can both bring out the best in each other too anyway. They both have so many issues to deal with from their past lives and they both know that & understand that about one another - unlike Jack who just doesn't see it with Kate - he doesn't accept anything other than perfection IMO and I think he can't accept that there's a side to Kate that is far from perfect. This is a side he doesn't want to know about. Which is not a good foundation for any potential long-lasting relationship.

As for Kate thinking that her father was trying to get a message through Sawyer, I think Kate moved past that feeling of Wayne being any part of him back in WKD too - so she's already well over that.

I'm not saying that Sawyer & Kate are ever going to have a 'clash-free' relationship - they'll both continue to annoy the hell out of each other at times am sure - this will be fun to watch - 'cos when it comes down to it, they're there for one another when it comes to stuff that really matters and their 'making up' moments will be extra delightful too! Lots of people in real relationships often have moments like these too, lots of little arguments which don't mean much when it comes to whether they truly love one another or not.
Makes SKate seem so much more 'real' in terms of being a couple IMO.


Well, chemistry is all in the eye of the beholder. I just feel like EL & JH don't have that one of a kind chemistry that shows hope for.

Also, I disagree about Jack wanting perfection in everyone. I know a lot of perfectionists (half my family are made up of them, lol) and trust me, it's all about themselves being perfect, not others. I don't think we've ever seen Jack expecting perfection in Kate. Kate, on the other hand, has shown a disdain for things Sawyer's done. And that, JMHO, is not a good foundation for a relationship either.

Also, I don't see how Kate could be over the trauma from Wayne. JMHO, people who go through that sort of thing don't get over it in an hour, lol. It stays with them forever. I hope the writers haven't forgotten about that and touch on that later. I'd like to see a flashback episode of Kate where she wonders if she's turned out like her mother, choosing the "bad guy". I think that could be very interesting.

Finally, I don't disagree that Kate & Sawyer don't have issues from their past they can bond on, but I wasn't arguing that. All I'm saying is that their personalities are very different. Lots of couples who are attracted to each other but have different personalities find it very hard to keep a relationship going. That's probably a big reason why the divorce rate is so high these days, lol. So I disagree that it doesn't mean a thing in relationships.

[jewel5]

I want to go on record that if Sawyer and Jack and Kate are all alive at the end of the show that Kate will wind up with Jack.

Duly noted....though now that Kate/Sawyer are lovers, it would be a very low blow to her character to turn around and take a second lover on an island of 40 something people....not to mention how uncomfortable that would be for the losties and the viewing audience.:( Besides, it would be totally OOC for Jack to take Sawyer's leftovers...lol.:nanabobo: :)

[Jimothy - Dude!]

Kate wants hurleys sweat

[An"Other"]

Jate Fate!

That is all, you may resume all posting activity

[Puli]

naaaa, who'se got more chemystry than kate and sawyer pleeeaseee? have you seen those scenes!! no way the doctor isd upto sawyer smile, and jockes, and bad boy's lough, etc.

[midnightSawyerFan]

Well, chemistry is all in the eye of the beholder. I just feel like EL & JH don't have that one of a kind chemistry that shows hope for.

Also, I disagree about Jack wanting perfection in everyone. I know a lot of perfectionists (half my family are made up of them, lol) and trust me, it's all about themselves being perfect, not others. I don't think we've ever seen Jack expecting perfection in Kate. Kate, on the other hand, has shown a disdain for things Sawyer's done. And that, JMHO, is not a good foundation for a relationship either.

Also, I don't see how Kate could be over the trauma from Wayne. JMHO, people who go through that sort of thing don't get over it in an hour, lol. It stays with them forever. I hope the writers haven't forgotten about that and touch on that later. I'd like to see a flashback episode of Kate where she wonders if she's turned out like her mother, choosing the "bad guy". I think that could be very interesting.

Finally, I don't disagree that Kate & Sawyer don't have issues from their past they can bond on, but I wasn't arguing that. All I'm saying is that their personalities are very different. Lots of couples who are attracted to each other but have different personalities find it very hard to keep a relationship going. That's probably a big reason why the divorce rate is so high these days, lol. So I disagree that it doesn't mean a thing in relationships.

I guess we’ll have to disagree on the chemistry between Josh/Sawyer & Evie/Kate – I think it can’t be beaten.

As for Jack – he certainly wants to possess Kate, to own her. She’s never quite up to scratch for him. He forever bosses her around. Remember THP? He was the one who ordered her to stay behind and look what happened. If he had understood Kate he would have realised she doesn’t like to be told what to do. It ended with possibly putting her life in danger. Kate didn’t help of course by following them on her own, but Jack had also been responsible for Kate not having the protection of their group.
So, you’re saying Kate can look down on Sawyer and that’s ok but Jack looking down on Kate is acceptable? ‘Cos Jack certainly has done that.

Whether you believe it isn’t possible to get over the Wayne stuff in an ‘hour’ or not (this being the length of the epi I take it? Not the actual length of time involved in what’s happening on the island?) – Kate did get over it. She established that Wayne is not Sawyer in WKD.

Kate and Sawyer have their differences alright. They also have a lot of similarities. They understand what it’s like to be on the wrong side of the law for one thing. They’re also both very stubborn. But they’re both people with good traits underneath it all too. They see beyond what is only apparent on the surface to many others. They both know what it's like to have no one but themselves to depend on before, Sawyer had to rely on Sawyer alone and Kate had to rely on Kate. They can both now share the experience of believing in someone else and they'll understand if one of them ever falters in that belief, because they have both been there. All these things are what make them connect with each other and it's what makes them work well together.
How can Jack compare with Sawyer when it comes to a relationship with Kate? I think it’s an extremely important factor in any worthwhile relationship to be able to understand what’s really going on behind the front a person shows. I’ve never seen this with Jack when it comes to Kate. Ever.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I don't know what to think anymore.

I want to desperately think that Sawyer and Kate are a match made in heaven. Well...no. That doesn't fit at all. They're a pair that...you know what, I give up. I can't describe them. But they work. Anyway, I want to desperately think that they are going to be together forever and ever and whatnot, that mushy gushy crappers. But something in the back of my mind is tugging at me and forcing me to think that something is going to go horribly wrong or that it won't last. And I don't want that to happen. It's a feeling though, you know?

So then I proceed to think of Kate and Jack. And while formerly I used to be repulsed by the idea, now I think that maybe if it happens it won't be so BAD. Maybe they might not be too horrible to look at...and maybe something more interesting will come Sawyer's way? And even now as I type that I shudder. :rotfl:

But the thing is, and this here is the reason why I never liked Jack and Kate as a COUPLE. (Together they're great but not partners in love. At least not IMHO.) Jack is a good man, with good intentions even if his judgement doesn't correspond. Kate wants to be a good woman, but there's so much corruption in her already that even as she tries hard to be good, she'll still have that tainted bit of her that will do bad things. To me, they seem to be polar opposites. Which, I guess is a good thing for love considering opposites attract. But is that true for each and every couple? No. It's not. And I don't think it really pertains to Kate and Jack.

Each of them is on their own path to redemption and fulfillment. Kate wants to become a better person, stay in ONE place, trust again. Jack wants her to trust him, he wants...well actually, to be quite honest I haven't a clue what his redemption may be. Maybe he wants to stop caring TOO much? I mean...no. Not that I mean that. I mean, maybe he wants to try and fix himself so he doesn't have the constant need to fix things. Gah. I dunno.

It's just, when it comes to Kate and Jack, I think such an opposing personality isn't compatible. Jack and Kate make GREAT friends. Great brother/sister bond. Well, maybe not so much brother/sister. Too much flirtation going on there. But you know, I see them as great friends for life.

This is my opinion. I can't think anymore. I broke my brain.

[Raifen]

I guess we’ll have to disagree on the chemistry between Josh/Sawyer & Evie/Kate – I think it can’t be beaten.

As for Jack – he certainly wants to possess Kate, to own her. She’s never quite up to scratch for him. He forever bosses her around. Remember THP? He was the one who ordered her to stay behind and look what happened. If he had understood Kate he would have realised she doesn’t like to be told what to do. It ended with possibly putting her life in danger. Kate didn’t help of course by following them on her own, but Jack had also been responsible for Kate not having the protection of their group.
So, you’re saying Kate can look down on Sawyer and that’s ok but Jack looking down on Kate is acceptable? ‘Cos Jack certainly has done that.

Whether you believe it isn’t possible to get over the Wayne stuff in an ‘hour’ or not (this being the length of the epi I take it? Not the actual length of time involved in what’s happening on the island?) – Kate did get over it. She established that Wayne is not Sawyer in WKD.

Kate and Sawyer have their differences alright. They also have a lot of similarities. They understand what it’s like to be on the wrong side of the law for one thing. They’re also both very stubborn. But they’re both people with good traits underneath it all too. They see beyond what is only apparent on the surface to many others. They both know what it's like to have no one but themselves to depend on before, Sawyer had to rely on Sawyer alone and Kate had to rely on Kate. They can both now share the experience of believing in someone else and they'll understand if one of them ever falters in that belief, because they have both been there. All these things are what make them connect with each other and it's what makes them work well together.
How can Jack compare with Sawyer when it comes to a relationship with Kate? I think it’s an extremely important factor in any worthwhile relationship to be able to understand what’s really going on behind the front a person shows. I’ve never seen this with Jack when it comes to Kate. Ever.


I don't know if you can say without question Jack wants to "own" Kate. He's never shown any alarming controlling behavior warning signs, to me. I never thought THP was about that, it was more about Jack being mad at Kate and also I don't think he wanted to put her in danger. He knew she wouldn't like that but he was mad at her. I didn't like that he did it, but I don't think it's because he didn't "get" Kate, JMHO.

And yeah, no, if I thought Jack looked down on Kate I wouldn't support the couple, but again I just don't see that. It's not the same as the way Kate looked down on Sawyer. I was just rewatching "The Moth" the other day and when Sawyer & Kate were talking Sawyer compared himself to Jack and Kate said something "You're actually comparing yourself to Jack?" in a condescending tone. That's just one of many condescending things Kate's said to Sawyer. Jack's never said anything like that to Kate. To me, Kate and Jack are more about Kate not feeling like she's good enough for Jack. It's like in WKD when Kate said "I'm sorry I'm not perfect like you!" Jack was surprised, because he doesn't see it that way.

I also don't think it was established Kate has gotten over the issue. I'm sure it will pop up again. I mean, this is Lost, where daddy issues never go away (just ask Locke or Jack, lol).

Also, as far as the similarities between Sawyer and Kate, Jack and Kate actually some of the same ones you've mentioned. Jack is pretty stubborn too, and it's not like he had a big support system growing up. Jack doesn't have the criminal past in common, but I don't feel like problems with the law is enough for a relationship to be built on. Especially since Kate seems to hate that part of herself.

So, yeah, basically to me, I just can't see Sawyer and Kate lasting like I can see Jack and Kate. But I too am getting a headache talking about this and I really need to go pay some bills right now I've been putting off, so that is all for now, lol.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Well, honestly, I don't see how Kate "hates that part of herself". I mean, maybe she wants to stop, but in reality, she never will. There will always be the part of her that has the urge to do something bad. Like in the season 2 finale, she saw the dudes following them, and first instinct was pretty much "Goin down boys!" and getting the guns ready. Another example? Okay. Season 3 - even in captivity she managed to find a way to escape a cage cell. Pretty criminalistic, no? *shrug* Sure I guess you could counter that with "Oh but anyone would try to find a way out" but seriously...think about it. Criminals probably focus on it more.

Anyway...Kate may have looked down on Sawyer at first. And granted she did say in "The Moth" "You're actually comparing yourself to Jack?", but that was very fairly early on in the series. And since then, Kate had gotten to know Sawyer better. At first, he was the man everyone hated - including her. But she gave him a chance to be more than that. And what do you know? He turned out to be.

And you know, the stubborness seems to be the only thing Jack and Kate have in common. They flirted, their friends, and she kissed him once out of confusion. We obviously know Jack cares for Kate and she cares for him. That's all there is to Jate as of right now. Who knows if there's more to come.As I've said many many MANY times before, I don't see the relationship as a loving one, but rather a very long-lasting friendship.

[Raifen]

Well, honestly, I don't see how Kate "hates that part of herself". I mean, maybe she wants to stop, but in reality, she never will. There will always be the part of her that has the urge to do something bad. Like in the season 2 finale, she saw the dudes following them, and first instinct was pretty much "Goin down boys!" and getting the guns ready. Another example? Okay. Season 3 - even in captivity she managed to find a way to escape a cage cell. Pretty criminalistic, no? *shrug* Sure I guess you could counter that with "Oh but anyone would try to find a way out" but seriously...think about it. Criminals probably focus on it more.

Anyway...Kate may have looked down on Sawyer at first. And granted she did say in "The Moth" "You're actually comparing yourself to Jack?", but that was very fairly early on in the series. And since then, Kate had gotten to know Sawyer better. At first, he was the man everyone hated - including her. But she gave him a chance to be more than that. And what do you know? He turned out to be.

And you know, the stubborness seems to be the only thing Jack and Kate have in common. They flirted, their friends, and she kissed him once out of confusion. We obviously know Jack cares for Kate and she cares for him. That's all there is to Jate as of right now. Who knows if there's more to come.As I've said many many MANY times before, I don't see the relationship as a loving one, but rather a very long-lasting friendship.


I think she's ashamed of that part of herself. That's why it bothered her so much in BTR when Sawyer told everyone about her criminal past. I think Kate wants to be good, and she tends to go for the "good guys" too (Tom, Kevin, and now Jack). And also I see those examples you mentioned as being more resourceful than criminal. She tends to be conniving to get what she wants, but she's not mean and she doesn't put people down like Sawyer does. That's what I see as the big difference between them. She would have never put down Hurley and killed the tree frog the way Sawyer did. I think that kind of behavior would disgust Kate, and we have no proof that Sawyer's moved beyond being that kind of person.

And I like what we've seen so far from Kate and Jack. They haven't rushed into anything; I like that they're just flirting and are just friends. That, IMHO, is the best formula for a lasting relationship, a good friendship between people who care for one another. Wow, I get giddy just thinking about them :) .

[Dorkfish]

Well, honestly, I don't see how Kate "hates that part of herself". I mean, maybe she wants to stop, but in reality, she never will. There will always be the part of her that has the urge to do something bad. Like in the season 2 finale, she saw the dudes following them, and first instinct was pretty much "Goin down boys!" and getting the guns ready. Another example? Okay. Season 3 - even in captivity she managed to find a way to escape a cage cell. Pretty criminalistic, no? *shrug* Sure I guess you could counter that with "Oh but anyone would try to find a way out" but seriously...think about it. Criminals probably focus on it more.

Anyway...Kate may have looked down on Sawyer at first. And granted she did say in "The Moth" "You're actually comparing yourself to Jack?", but that was very fairly early on in the series. And since then, Kate had gotten to know Sawyer better. At first, he was the man everyone hated - including her. But she gave him a chance to be more than that. And what do you know? He turned out to be.

And you know, the stubborness seems to be the only thing Jack and Kate have in common. They flirted, their friends, and she kissed him once out of confusion. We obviously know Jack cares for Kate and she cares for him. That's all there is to Jate as of right now. Who knows if there's more to come.As I've said many many MANY times before, I don't see the relationship as a loving one, but rather a very long-lasting friendship.

Let's not forget the sex! :rotfl:

[Driveshaft4Dee]

One more reason why I think Sawyer is the better man for Kate:

When Jack gets jealous or ticked off with Kate, he pulls away and gives her the cold shoulder...even in dire circumstances. Witness THP, he yelled at her and treated her like crap at the beginning and wouldn't let her come along because his nose was out of joint. Then she's captured and terrified out her mind, and he won't even LOOK at her when she's released, much less offer her support and comfort. All the way back, she's pleading for his foregiveness and he's STILL being the ice man because it's All. About. HIM. HIS ego, HIS feelings, HIS needs, HIS fears of getting close and blah, blah, blah.

Sawyer, OTOH, always treats her like a person and does NOT give her the cold shoulder or treat her badly when he's jealous. Witness the scenes in the hatch in "Two for the Road", and the way he was with her when they went to his tent to get the guns. Even after he thinks she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her nicely, and later on he comforts her when she's crying over the deaths of Ana and Libby. And again, on the journey in the finale... still thinking she's had sex with Jack, he talks to her like a person, doesn't give her the cold shoulder or the bitchy disapproving act that Jack pulls.

Jack's whole attitude toward Kate is colored with an air of righteousness and superiority, and when he "disapproves" of her he treats her like crap. No way does that make for a good relationship. At least Sawyer sees her like a person, and treats her like one, even when they're on the outs... and I find that more appealing. The way Kate begs for crumbs from Jack is nauseating and that's what makes the idea of a relationship between them repugnant to me. It reminds me of the way a puppy begs for attention, or a small child would react to a cold and distant parent. Nothing sexy or appealing about that to me at all.

Dez, I didn't see this before. But I read it and WOW. I am blown away. This is just THE perfect explanation. I think you should take this to JJ and Damon and make them write Skate. If anything THIS will convince them. :p

[midnightSawyerFan]

I don't know if you can say without question Jack wants to "own" Kate. He's never shown any alarming controlling behavior warning signs, to me. I never thought THP was about that, it was more about Jack being mad at Kate and also I don't think he wanted to put her in danger. He knew she wouldn't like that but he was mad at her. I didn't like that he did it, but I don't think it's because he didn't "get" Kate, JMHO.

And yeah, no, if I thought Jack looked down on Kate I wouldn't support the couple, but again I just don't see that. It's not the same as the way Kate looked down on Sawyer. I was just rewatching "The Moth" the other day and when Sawyer & Kate were talking Sawyer compared himself to Jack and Kate said something "You're actually comparing yourself to Jack?" in a condescending tone. That's just one of many condescending things Kate's said to Sawyer. Jack's never said anything like that to Kate. To me, Kate and Jack are more about Kate not feeling like she's good enough for Jack. It's like in WKD when Kate said "I'm sorry I'm not perfect like you!" Jack was surprised, because he doesn't see it that way.

I also don't think it was established Kate has gotten over the issue. I'm sure it will pop up again. I mean, this is Lost, where daddy issues never go away (just ask Locke or Jack, lol).

Also, as far as the similarities between Sawyer and Kate, Jack and Kate actually some of the same ones you've mentioned. Jack is pretty stubborn too, and it's not like he had a big support system growing up. Jack doesn't have the criminal past in common, but I don't feel like problems with the law is enough for a relationship to be built on. Especially since Kate seems to hate that part of herself.

So, yeah, basically to me, I just can't see Sawyer and Kate lasting like I can see Jack and Kate. But I too am getting a headache talking about this and I really need to go pay some bills right now I've been putting off, so that is all for now, lol.

Jack has shown signs of controlling type behaviour on plenty of occasions. There seems to be a repetitive pattern in fact, his temper is liable to flare often and Kate gets upset when she’s on the receiving end. Not a good healthy start between them if they’re ever to be a couple.

Kate not feeling like she’s good enough for Jack is not conducive to a healthy relationship either. When it comes to Kate and Sawyer, they have both yelled at each other at various points – the difference between them is Kate can give as good as she gets with Sawyer. She’s not afraid to yell back. They’re more on an even keel.

Kate's 'daddy' issues aren't with Wayne. She had only just discovered he was her biological father before she killed him. She does appear to have daddy issues with Sam, the father she ultimately sees as her 'daddy' - emotionally and psychologically.

As for Wayne –
We were never shown any attempts by Wayne to redeem himself.

Sawyer on the other hand - so unlike Wayne -
He has shown us he can change and he wants to change; he has shown us he would willingly put his life on the line for Kate and she in turn, has shown us she would willingly do the same for him - why would she do that if she was still thinking of Wayne, the man she killed?

Kate projected her negative feelings toward Wayne onto Sawyer - why? Maybe based on a mannerism or an attitude - it's a classic case of 'transference'. In WKD, Kate spoke to Wayne through Sawyer. When Sawyer wakes up and is just... Sawyer, she laughs in relief and the transference drops away.
Why end the episode on a happy, peaceful note (petting the horse while Sawyer watched) if it wasn't meant as a resolution?

I know that some are inclined to think her Wayne issues with Sawyer continue on after this incident but that's simply not in the realm of such a transference experience which, by its very nature, only has power because it's unconscious, i.e. we don't realize that we're projecting something from the past onto a person in the present. Once we do realize it, the distortion simply isn't there any more. She has now separated the past from the present, and the one man from the other.

Once you recognize this, it's easy to toss aside and see only the actual person you're dealing with in the present. Same with Kate toward Sawyer. We have never seen Kate return to her initial impressions either.

OK, well I don’t see how we’re ever gonna agree on our own perceptions of what’s going on in Lostie-land. I love Kate’s choice obviously, I think SKate are made for each other and I won’t be changing my opinion on that any time soon.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Sorry that's all I can think of saying. So great. :)

[Raifen]

Jack has shown signs of controlling type behaviour on plenty of occasions. There seems to be a repetitive pattern in fact, his temper is liable to flare often and Kate gets upset when she’s on the receiving end. Not a good healthy start between them if they’re ever to be a couple.

Kate not feeling like she’s good enough for Jack is not conducive to a healthy relationship either. When it comes to Kate and Sawyer, they have both yelled at each other at various points – the difference between them is Kate can give as good as she gets with Sawyer. She’s not afraid to yell back. They’re more on an even keel.

Kate's 'daddy' issues aren't with Wayne. She had only just discovered he was her biological father before she killed him. She does appear to have daddy issues with Sam, the father she ultimately sees as her 'daddy' - emotionally and psychologically.

As for Wayne –
We were never shown any attempts by Wayne to redeem himself.

Sawyer on the other hand - so unlike Wayne -
He has shown us he can change and he wants to change; he has shown us he would willingly put his life on the line for Kate and she in turn, has shown us she would willingly do the same for him - why would she do that if she was still thinking of Wayne, the man she killed?

Kate projected her negative feelings toward Wayne onto Sawyer - why? Maybe based on a mannerism or an attitude - it's a classic case of 'transference'. In WKD, Kate spoke to Wayne through Sawyer. When Sawyer wakes up and is just... Sawyer, she laughs in relief and the transference drops away.
Why end the episode on a happy, peaceful note (petting the horse while Sawyer watched) if it wasn't meant as a resolution?

I know that some are inclined to think her Wayne issues with Sawyer continue on after this incident but that's simply not in the realm of such a transference experience which, by its very nature, only has power because it's unconscious, i.e. we don't realize that we're projecting something from the past onto a person in the present. Once we do realize it, the distortion simply isn't there any more. She has now separated the past from the present, and the one man from the other.

Once you recognize this, it's easy to toss aside and see only the actual person you're dealing with in the present. Same with Kate toward Sawyer. We have never seen Kate return to her initial impressions either.

OK, well I don’t see how we’re ever gonna agree on our own perceptions of what’s going on in Lostie-land. I love Kate’s choice obviously, I think SKate are made for each other and I won’t be changing my opinion on that any time soon.


LOL, we probably won't change our mind. But...I still feel the need to argue the Jack being controlling part. Controlling men in relationship tend to show patterns over time, so if Jack had a controlling tendency we would have seen it in his relationship with Sarah. I think the proof that Jack wasn't all about controlling her was the scene when Juliet told Jack that Sarah was happy, Jack broke down in tears of happiness. A controlling man would have been jealous and angry that she found happiness without him. But that's not Jack, he's just not controlling!

And yeah Jack has lost his temper (which, IMHO, is not the same thing as being controlling) and he has upset Kate, but no relationship is perfect. And I think the fact that Jack upsets Kate more than Sawyer has ever upset her is probably more proof that her feelings run a lot deeper for Jack than they do for Sawyer. Because those that can hurt us the most are the ones we love. I know I personally am more upset when someone I love says something that upsets me than someone I just care about. Which IMHO are the depth of Kate's feelings for Sawyer.

And finally I do want to add that Kate never really "chose" Sawyer over Jack...it's not a fair choice when Jack wasn't around, lol! It's not like she had both guys in front of her and said "I chose you, Sawyer, over Jack!". And I think the fact that the writers had to get Kate away from Jack for it to be believable that she would sleep with Sawyer just shows how strong the Jate relationship is, to me anyway. But I think I'm getting kind of offtopic with what I meant to say here, oh well.

But yeah...I'm going to stand behind my love for Jate, as lots of my fellow Jaters are. I'm just confident that in the end, we will be awarded with a wonderful scene in which Jack and Kate tell each other they're in love with each other. :)

[midnightSawyerFan]

LOL, we probably won't change our mind. But...I still feel the need to argue the Jack being controlling part. Controlling men in relationship tend to show patterns over time, so if Jack had a controlling tendency we would have seen it in his relationship with Sarah. I think the proof that Jack wasn't all about controlling her was the scene when Juliet told Jack that Sarah was happy, Jack broke down in tears of happiness. A controlling man would have been jealous and angry that she found happiness without him. But that's not Jack, he's just not controlling!

And yeah Jack has lost his temper (which, IMHO, is not the same thing as being controlling) and he has upset Kate, but no relationship is perfect. And I think the fact that Jack upsets Kate more than Sawyer has ever upset her is probably more proof that her feelings run a lot deeper for Jack than they do for Sawyer. Because those that can hurt us the most are the ones we love. I know I personally am more upset when someone I love says something that upsets me than someone I just care about. Which IMHO are the depth of Kate's feelings for Sawyer.

And finally I do want to add that Kate never really "chose" Sawyer over Jack...it's not a fair choice when Jack wasn't around, lol! It's not like she had both guys in front of her and said "I chose you, Sawyer, over Jack!". And I think the fact that the writers had to get Kate away from Jack for it to be believable that she would sleep with Sawyer just shows how strong the Jate relationship is, to me anyway. But I think I'm getting kind of offtopic with what I meant to say here, oh well.

But yeah...I'm going to stand behind my love for Jate, as lots of my fellow Jaters are. I'm just confident that in the end, we will be awarded with a wonderful scene in which Jack and Kate tell each other they're in love with each other. :)

'Controlling men in relationship tend to show patterns over time’ – yes, they do, just as Jack has shown a repetitive pattern on plenty of occasions. Here are some examples with Kate:

- Demanding she tell him where she learned to track from, and to give him 'something real'
- Insisting they open the case together and then demanding she tell him the whole story, while verbally badgering her again to the point of tears.
- Not wanting to allow her to go on treks.
- Not wanting her to help in Homecoming and refusing to give her a gun.
- Refusing to allow her to carry dynamite, taking away her right to free choice by subsituting the backpacks behind her back.
- Shouting accusations at her regarding Sawyer, and physically restraining her roughly when she sought to flee from his presence.
- Punishing her for kissing him and running away by acting like a jerk and ordering her to not go on the trek to find Michael.
- Punishing her for disobeying his 'directive' after she got captured and her life threatened by coldly ignoring and shunning her for several episodes, despite her pleas for forgiveness.
- Again when she fouls up his schemes against the Others in I Do, what does he resort to? Accusations, yelling and shutting her off completely.

If some of these were only solitary examples, then I would put it down to Jack having a bad day, but there does seem to be a repetition here.

I think it was great that Jack finally 'let go' of Sarah - it does show some personal growth that out of all the questions he could have asked about her, Jack wanted to know if she was happy. I think that was what that scene with Juliet was all about. Jack learning to let go. Finally. However, that doesn't negate the emotional damage that was done in his continued obsessive behaviour towards Sarah after they had split.

Yes, Jack does upset Kate more than Sawyer ever has, but I don’t see the fact that Kate breaks down & sobs as being evidence she loves him more – have you ever heard of the saying? - “No man is worth your tears, and the one who is, won't make you cry.”

Kate didn’t just choose Sawyer because Jack wasn’t around – if her heart really lay with Jack, she would never have chosen Sawyer at all. If you ever loved a guy, would you choose someone else instead just because he wasn’t present?

Unfortunately for one group of fans at present, it isn't pleasant. I sympathise, but I can’t rationalise why Jate is the better pairing. Skate will always be the OTP no matter what happens in the future. :heartpump

[Driveshaft4Dee]

midnightsawyerfan....I am speechless. :worshippy

[midnightSawyerFan]

midnightsawyerfan....I am speechless. :worshippy

Lol. I'm happy I have my own little fan here 'Dee. Glad you approve! ;)

[Driveshaft4Dee]

:) Of course. Fans of each other, I s'pose. ;)

[midnightSawyerFan]

:) Of course. Fans of each other, I s'pose. ;)

Absolutely :D :Hugglepounce:

[villana81]

'Controlling men in relationship tend to show patterns over time’ – yes, they do, just as Jack has shown a repetitive pattern on plenty of occasions. Here are some examples with Kate:

- Demanding she tell him where she learned to track from, and to give him 'something real'
- Insisting they open the case together and then demanding she tell him the whole story, while verbally badgering her again to the point of tears.
- Not wanting to allow her to go on treks.
- Not wanting her to help in Homecoming and refusing to give her a gun.
- Refusing to allow her to carry dynamite, taking away her right to free choice by subsituting the backpacks behind her back.
- Shouting accusations at her regarding Sawyer, and physically restraining her roughly when she sought to flee from his presence.
- Punishing her for kissing him and running away by acting like a jerk and ordering her to not go on the trek to find Michael.
- Punishing her for disobeying his 'directive' after she got captured and her life threatened by coldly ignoring and shunning her for several episodes, despite her pleas for forgiveness.
- Again when she fouls up his schemes against the Others in I Do, what does he resort to? Accusations, yelling and shutting her off completely.

If some of these were only solitary examples, then I would put it down to Jack having a bad day, but there does seem to be a repetition here.

I think it was great that Jack finally 'let go' of Sarah - it does show some personal growth that out of all the questions he could have asked about her, Jack wanted to know if she was happy. I think that was what that scene with Juliet was all about. Jack learning to let go. Finally. However, that doesn't negate the emotional damage that was done in his continued obsessive behaviour towards Sarah after they had split.

Yes, Jack does upset Kate more than Sawyer ever has, but I don’t see the fact that Kate breaks down & sobs as being evidence she loves him more – have you ever heard of the saying? - “No man is worth your tears, and the one who is, won't make you cry.”

Kate didn’t just choose Sawyer because Jack wasn’t around – if her heart really lay with Jack, she would never have chosen Sawyer at all. If you ever loved a guy, would you choose someone else instead just because he wasn’t present?

Unfortunately for one group of fans at present, it isn't pleasant. I sympathise, but I can’t rationalise why Jate is the better pairing. Skate will always be the OTP no matter what happens in the future. :heartpump

I love your post!!
I've never heard that saying before, that it's so true. I agree about Jack's controlling behavior, I know he's trying in a way to protect her but that doesn't mean he gets to decide for her, he's not her father.

[PabloCruiseTX]

It's hard to believe that MidnightSawyer's claims haven't been answered because they're so weak.

Let's take them one by one:

"- Demanding she tell him where she learned to track from, and to give him 'something real'"

Demanding?? That's a stretch. In asking for something real, he was asking her to be honest with him. Up to that point, she hadn't been. This clearly shows he had feelings for Kate. He was feeling vulnerable. I think he was looking for something to hold onto. This wasn't about Jack wanting to control Kate. This was about Jack wanting to feel he could trust Kate.

"- Insisting they open the case together and then demanding she tell him the whole story, while verbally badgering her again to the point of tears."

What's the context of this scene? Moments before, Kate tried to trick Jack, basically lie to him, by performing her slight of hand with the key. She used him to get the key from Sawyer and then tried to trick him. He quickly realized that. No one likes to be used and then lied to. I'm sure he remembered what Sawyer told him about not trusting her. All that played in his mind as she performed her little act with the key. He had every right to feel upset. It would have been unnatural not to want to know what she was trying to hide. I think he had the right to know.

- Not wanting to allow her to go on treks.
Other than the trek in the THP episode, what other treks did he not want her to go on?

- Not wanting her to help in Homecoming and refusing to give her a gun.
I believe he was just being protective.

- Refusing to allow her to carry dynamite, taking away her right to free choice by subsituting the backpacks behind her back.

This takes the cake! He most likely saved her life and you want to criticize him for it?? What did Kate do when the 'monster' appeared? She ran...proving he made the right decision. Thanks to Jack, she didn't run with a backpack full of dynamite and blow up. Again, this isn't about Jack controlling her. This is about his concern for her, protecting her. If Sawyer did this, I don't think you would have criticized him for being controlling. You would say he was being protective and would applaud him for it.

- Shouting accusations at her regarding Sawyer, and physically restraining her roughly when she sought to flee from his presence.

He came back from the funeral finding the alarm beeping and Sawyer half-dead on the floor and Kate nowhere to be found. As a doctor he was naturally concerned and perturbed. So he went looking after Kate. He didn't shout at her. He was upset but he didn't shout at her. Physically restraining her roughly?? He didn't hurt her. Did she have bruises on her arms afterwards? Did she cry, "OUch! You're hurting me!" Instead, she kissed him. That's hardly the reaction of a woman who was being roughed up. He didn't let her go because he wanted an answer. He wanted to get to the bottom of what was eating at Kate and why she left Sawyer on the floor. Obviously, that was a sign to him that something serious had taken place.

- Punishing her for kissing him and running away by acting like a jerk and ordering her to not go on the trek to find Michael.

He didn't punish her for kissing him! In SOS, he told her he wasn't sorry that she kissed him. If he did punish her, and i do think he was doing that, he did so because he was mad that Kate and Sawyer did have the connection he feared. Sawyer had already told him he loved her. He already knew Kate had feelings for Sawyer based on how she was taking care of him. He was hurt. And in his hurt, he acted the way he did. It wasn't his best moment but his behavior had nothing to do with wanting to control Kate. He also might have wanted to avoid having to see Kate and Sawyer together.

- Punishing her for disobeying his 'directive' after she got captured and her life threatened by coldly ignoring and shunning her for several episodes, despite her pleas for forgiveness.

He did avoid her. Again, alot of it had to do with his awareness of Kate and Sawyer's closeness. Call it jealousy. Call it being hurt. But what does it make Jack? Does this one instance of bad behavior make him a bad person? Does it really make him a jerk? When you made your final conclusions about Jack, did you also consider his good points and all that he's done for group?

By the way, Jack was right on about having the advantage over the Others in THP. They didn't outnumber Jack, Locke and Sawyer. They didn't have bigger, better and more guns. If Kate hadn't tagged along, they would have taken the Others out and Michael possibly might have been freed. Jack called Tom's bluff but unfortunately, Tom had an ace up his sleeve: Kate.

- Again when she fouls up his schemes against the Others in I Do, what does he resort to? Accusations, yelling and shutting her off completely.

Accusations?? Yelling and shutting her off completely?? NO! You have to rewatch that scene.

He was upset that the Others were using her to get to him. He was also upset that she believed them. Even Sawyer reacted negatively when she told him she had talked to Jack about the surgery. He said something to the effect of, "At least the doc isn't stupid enough to believe them."

When you made these comments, Kate and Sawyer hadn't escaped so you didn't have the benefit of knowing about their escape in NIP. You might not care so much about Jack's behavior in the cell. I think the risk to his life that Jack made in NIP to free Kate and Sawyer more than makes up for his behavior in the cell (assuming for the sake of argument that he was a complete jerk). I don't see how anyone can dwell on his behavior in the cell knowing what he did for Kate and Sawyer.

[Lost Ken]

Pablo,

I haven't posted for awhile but when I do I am always spot on in agreement with you. I toned down my posting because I am more confident now more than I ever have been that TPTB will bring Kate and Jack together. I come back to the statement made by one of the creators that Jack and Kate have, and I quote, "The ultimate relationship!" I mean need we say more...for me it ends there in peace and happiness...

Having said that truth be told I have grown to like Sawyer more...

The other reason I don't post as much is that I feel not up to the task of having to justify what I believe is obvious true love. I admire and praise some of the very intelligent very long posts others do however. Some very well thought out stuff....anyway I am enjoying how things are playing out...

[Sawyer_&_Kate]

She should end up with Sawyer (of course...). I don't see her with any of the other people on the island (Jack included) plus she looks so good with Sawyer. They just fit!

[PabloCruiseTX]

Pablo,

I haven't posted for awhile but when I do I am always spot on in agreement with you. I toned down my posting because I am more confident now more than I ever have been that TPTB will bring Kate and Jack together. I come back to the statement made by one of the creators that Jack and Kate have, and I quote, "The ultimate relationship!" I mean need we say more...for me it ends there in peace and happiness...

Having said that truth be told I have grown to like Sawyer more...

The other reason I don't post as much is that I feel not up to the task of having to justify what I believe is obvious true love. I admire and praise some of the very intelligent very long posts others do however. Some very well thought out stuff....anyway I am enjoying how things are playing out...

Truth be told LK I wish you would post more often. We, meaning the Jaters and Jack-lovers, need more brothers like you. It's a jungle in here! (Maybe we should form a cult and call one another 'brother' and 'sister'? "Brother LK." "Brother Pablo.")

I too like Sawyer more than before. Actually, I've never hated him or disliked him. It's the arguments against Jate and the Jack-bashing that I dislike. I would never join a Skate Hate club or a Sawyer-bashing group.

I hope Jack ends up with Kate. We shall have to wait and see.

I think a possible course for the Triangle in the near future might be that Kate will spend her time sitting on the beach pondering her feelings for Jack and Sawyer. And once Jack returns, if he ever does, she might at that time announce her decision.

Then one side of the Triangle will collapse and all us shippers will have to find something else to do besides rant and rave about our ship.:Cheers: My work, at that time, will be done.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I think a possible course for the Triangle in the near future might be that Kate will spend her time sitting on the beach pondering her feelings for Jack and Sawyer. And once Jack returns, if he ever does, she might at that time announce her decision.


I find it amusing that you say Kate will make her decision upon Jack's return, as if to assume that he will be her choice. Of course I mean nothing by this. It's just amusing. ;)

[PabloCruiseTX]

I find it amusing that you say Kate will make her decision upon Jack's return, as if to assume that he will be her choice. Of course I mean nothing by this. It's just amusing. ;)

Well I'm glad I made you smile instead of angry. As I wrote that I thought someone might take it that way but that's not what I meant.

I don't know who she will choose. I don't know that she hasn't already chosen Sawyer.

When she and Sawyer get back to their island, there will be some down time before making the attempt to rescue Jack. Things might slow down enough to allow her to digest somewhat what has happened between her and Sawyer but because Jack is still a captive I think she will be too focused on rescuing him.

I simply meant that if Jack returns, things might return to some level of normalcy which might allow her to make a choice. Right now, I don't think she has clarity of mind to understand what her feelings are. Too much has happened. Being captives. Having sex in a cage. Escaping and almost being killed. Leaving Jack behind. Planning how to rescue him and attempting to rescue him.

On a side note: We forget how traumatic these events they experience must be. In the real world, when people experience what the Losties experience they wind up in "the home" or in perpetual fetal positions or they run to the mountains. It's amazing that as traumatic as the events they all experience are, they don't seem to be fazed all that much.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Right. I knew that's what you meant and I agree with it. The main focus, probably of the whole show now, will be to rescue Jack. *shrug* I just hope the producers know what they're doing...

And it's true. A lot of us forget how horrible these things are in reality. I sit and try to compare myself to characters and decide how I would react being in a situation like that. It's so much scarier that way..

[sweetsunray]

The few scenes I got uncomfortable with Jack's behaviour was
a) when he said "give me something real", especially because at the time she could ask the same thing back, and she did.
b) when he didn't believe her explanation on the toyplane
c) when he turned cold in THP epi
(I didn't like C, but at least I understood it. His FB is about him needing to learn that too much emotional involvement makes him make mistakes. He couldn't afford that on THP. And Kate acted like a teenager when she hiked after them.)

But the other accusations laid at his door seem like tunnel vision to me. When he asks something, it's called demanding. When he asks whether Kate may have something to do with a bad thing, and thus reveals a suspicion, it's called an accusation (and it doesn't matter that Kate HAS something to do with it). When he makes an agreement with Kate in order to help her as she asked, then he's forcing her. And even when she tried not to engage to that agreement, and he still does (might have just well opened the case by himself sinc ehe had the key and the case, right?) hold to his promise, it's also forcing Kate. etc...

Where's the perspective here? Jack is a man of reason. And he communicates pretty straightforward. Asking is asking, not demanding, not ordering. Making an agreement is not forcing anyone, since an agreement includes a process of proposing something and then asking whether the other agrees. Kate agreed to open the case together in exchange for Jack's help. And suspecting is not accusing. To accuse you must have a mind that is sure that the other did what you claim they did. To suspect you have a mind that wonders whether the other has something to do with it.

Good communication includes honesty, even when that means not so good feelings or opinions or suspicions. Not good communication is guessing and interpreting behaviour (aka trying to mindread), saying the opposite of what you think and feel, keeping silent about your misgivings, and only open your mouth for meaningless chit-chat. Yeah, the first one is more challenging, more confrontational, more difficult.

What you can fault Jack with is that he does not trust Kate 100% (certainly not in S1). Trust certainly is important to have in a relationship. But trust isnot something you hand over from day 1, or even when you have feelings for. Trust must be based on actions. Meanwhile if we have to talk about trust between Kate and Sawyer? Well Kate thinks she can trust Jack with secrets more than with Sawyer. Meanwhile she can trust Sawyer to play her for a con if he can use her to get at anyone else she has ties with after they stepped on Sawyer's long toes.

As for the crying... If one guy does something hurtful to you (like playing you to con you) and the other does something hurtful to you (like distancing himself), and you don't cry for the first one, but you do for the second, then that's not because the first is the better man, but that at the time of S2 the feelings for the second one are stronger than the first one.

[rubysareduhbomb]

Skate for sure! Sawyer and Kate have some chemistry, whereas the doctor's too goody-two-shoes for her.

Skate for life :Cheers:

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Yes, but at the rate she's going, I'm willing to say JACK.

[BSDDomi]

I voted Jack. I've always loved these two together. I talked about the three with my mom the other day and she said: Jack is glib.

[Angela4]

j8 foreva

[Without Dane]

Jack.

[Shapedude]

I've recently had a skate revelation,so... Sawyer.

(but that still doesn't mean I LIKE Kate)

[TheBigCat]

I think I'm gonna say Ben. They have so much in common. Like patricide.

[interplanetjanet]

Men make Kate stupid. No more men for her.

[sweetsunray]

Men make Kate stupid. No more men for her.

Yup, agreed. Some women forget all about how independent they can be, how strong they can be, etc... once they fall in love. "Drop everything, cause he's the ONE!"... and then comes the killer of female character... "What could I do to catch his attention?" and "Oh, he ignored me an hour ago. What did I do wrong? Must catch his attention and make sure he knows I'm sorry and that I sooooo like him."

BLUH! :rolleyez:

Kate didn't have much of an example, though... with a mother choosing a drunken woman beater who also had an eye on Kate, over a decent guy.

[Lostaway]

Yup, agreed. Some women forget all about how independent they can be, how strong they can be, etc... once they fall in love. "Drop everything, cause he's the ONE!"... and then comes the killer of female character... "What could I do to catch his attention?" and "Oh, he ignored me an hour ago. What did I do wrong? Must catch his attention and make sure he knows I'm sorry and that I sooooo like him."

BLUH! :rolleyez:

Agreed. Pretty sickening.

[ozanna]

I don't think Kate should be with Sawyer or Jack. I don't really think she should be with anyone until she can sort herself out. She is the most self-absorbed person I have ever come across (OK I know she's not real !)
Wth Jack she just grovels it is sickening to watch - him with his smug
superior attitude and "I'm so much better than Sawyer" crap. With Sawyer she is much more at ease and they do have chemistry, although I hate to admit it ! But when she was in his tent with him just before he went for a pee and his fateful meeting with Locke, the way she was acting was nauseating, giggling and skittering around like a schoolgirl. You can tell I don't like her can't you ! Sorry Skaters, but I do love Sawyer. He loves her so much, and it is such a big thing for him, and I really don't trust her not to let him down. At the moment he really needs all the love and support he can get and I don't think she's the one to provide it. If he was to tell her about Cooper she would probably just say "WHAT" in that charming way of hers and go running off to tell Jack. Well maybe not, but I don't think she's terribly concerned about other people's problems. I think she does love him up to a point but not nearly as much as he deserves. She looks up to Jack who doesn't give a rats ass, and is slightly contemptuous of Sawyer because she considers him to be inferior to herself. Whooo, I didn't mean to go on this long but I can't seem to restrain myself when I get onto the subject of Sawyer.
So to answer the question, Kate should not be inflicted on anyone for the moment. Hopefully she can grow up a bit next season, and if the situation ever arises where Sawyer sacrifices himself to save her - ala
Spike and Buffy - I will not be responsible for my actions ! Not that I am
much of a threat.
'Bye for now.
Anna

[TheBigCat]

She is the most self-absorbed person I have ever come across (OK I know she's not real !)

I have always felt that she so self-absorbed that she could be a real person.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Haha. Great point.

[Lostaway]

Kate is in love with both of them, She can't choose between them because she literally loves them both. So much that if she said somethign to one or the other, the other would likely get hurt. We all see how Sawyer is now. Depressed of cooper, This will push Skate away from eachother and Kate will grovel after Jack for a while.

I don't even think the producers know who's ending up with who.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I think they know. They just love to make both sides happy so there's a bit of tug-of-war going on.

P.S. - Love that the graph in the poll looks so perfect. Each line slightly less..perfect picture. Haha.

[Lostaway]

Picking up a career in examining graphs. You do a mighty good job.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

What can I say? I'm a visual learner.

[Lostaway]

Intresting. Wonder how much that pays?

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Dunno. But hey I'd take the job.

[Lostaway]

I'm sure you would.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

That would've been a good TWSS moment. Hahaa.

[dharmagirl510]

JATE all the way... even with the 3rd season finale shows them not together....... it can still happen

[ozanna]

Well, he did say he loved her dharmagirl510, and Sawyer doesn't seem to be that bothered at the moment, so who knows !!!

I don't really give a hoot - I just wish they'd get it sorted !

[Driveshaft4Dee]

:yeah:

At this point, I don't even care anymore. Who'd have thought!?

[Mollygirl]

I am definitely a fan of Jack/Kate, they've had amazing chemistry since the very beginning . I was so glad Jack finally told Kate he loved her even though it took 3 seasons. I think Jack took so long to tell Kate he loved her because he was scared to let himself fall in love. He needs to be this strong wall of a leader with his focus primarily on the saftey of the survivors. With everything coming to such a big head and so much change going on, he finally felt like it was time to say it because he really had nothing to lose. And I don't think Kate said anything back because she was shocked, Jack spent so much time pushing her away after what happened with Sawyer.

I really love Sawyer, his jokes and nick names are completely hilarious, but I find his relationship with Kate to be more of a crush thing. They make eachother laugh, and they obviously have a physical attraction for one another, yet they don't seem to have the deep emotional connection that Jack and Kate have. Jack may seem to be the guy that always has to do the right thing, and is on much to high of a horse, but he has made sacrifices to his integrity, all of them for Kate. To save Kate, to protect Kate, to assure Kate.
I think the whole Jack/Juliet and Kate/Sawyer thing was to prolong the wait for Jack and Kate. Think Jim and Pam from the office, it was great when they weren't together because it kept you wanting more, one more glance, one more thing that was almost said. Now that they've "finally" gotten together, its not as exciting anymore. Yes the love triangle is starting to wear a bit thin, but the show would lose a little something if the sexual tension between those characters was lost.

I think the decision ultimately comes down to whether Kate wants to save (Sawyer) or be saved (Jack).

I personally think she needs a little saving.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I'm not so sure she'll wind up with either of them at this point. With the road that Sawyer's apparently going to be going down now, I don't see her winding up with him anymore. And courtesy the flashforwards, I'm not so sure she winds up with Jack either. Especially if that's how he is going to be in the future. I don't think anyone would want to be around him then. And Sarah was still somehow part of his life in the flashforward. He still hadn't taken her off the emergency call list, remember? That doesn't really make me think that he and Kate are an item.

What I think it'll come down to is that Kate isn't with either of them. For a time she was with Sawyer, and maybe now for a time she'll be with Jack. The writers will appease both sides and then disappoint both sides.

I don't know. I don't really care so much anymore. Kate just drives me nuts. Her character development is on crack.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I forgot to mention Sawyer in the midst of that post...

It's perfectly clear he loves Kate, and becoming slowly clear that she doesn't feel the same. Which is kind of sad, only for Sawyer. Because he's going to be the one hurt in all of this. And the fact that it's becoming slowly clear she doesn't care for him the way he does for during the time where he's just killed Cooper...I'm terribly afraid the writers are going to upset me now.

I'm afraid that his wonderful character development is gonna be shot to hell. He's killed Cooper, and...that's it. Now what has he left in his storyline except Kate? And because he killed Cooper, he's in this dark twisted place. And usually, when the writers put someone in a dark twisted place, they get killed.

Exhibit A - Shannon. (went a little mental about Walt before death)
Exhibit B - Ana-Lucia (got kinda dark with feeling sorry about herself)
Exhibit C - Mr. Eko (got very twisted when trying to pursue his brother/monster?)
Exhibit D - Charlie (he knew he was going to die. that will screw ANYONE up)

And maybe I'm overanalyzing..but...I just dunno. Point is, I don't see Kate with him anymore.

[Softlips]

My current thoughts :tapedshut


:giveup: whatever man

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Wait wait. Why the taped shut smiley? What do you know that I don't?


p.s. - Softlips! :awwhug:

[DR76]

I say . . . no one. Kate's role on the show should not be about whom she will end up with.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Hear hear!

[ozanna]

I say . . . no one. Kate's role on the show should not be about whom she will end up with.

That is so true - she has much better things to do than chase two d.... !:mad:

'Night Dee

[TheBigCat]

I say "no one" as well...she should end up lonely and bitter. ;)

[ISIS]

Isn't Kate still married? She should end up with her husband.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Hmm. Yeah I don't know. Can you annul a marriage without the other party being there?

[ISIS]

I think there may be a reasonable waiting period; but it can be done. He loved her; I think he's going to be looking for her. If not from love then for his own sanity sake.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

This is true.

[ozanna]

Thats right - just complicate things even more, and give her 3 of them to waffle over !!! If she's been assumed dead I think there has to be a waiting period of 7 years. But if she's on the island (and I don't hold much faith in that ff ! yet !) its all nothing really. Besides the way she treated him I doubt that he'd want her back. At the moment I don't think any of them "deserve" her !

[BigJsCon]

Kate will die single, far too many skeletons in the cupboard. But she's a sexy lass so she will get her way, maybe.

[TheBigCat]

That is pretty well the basis for my entire thesis on her.

[mspickle]

I don't really like Kate, but I think she makes Sawyer happy and as much as I hate her, she is the only one that sees beyong Sawyer's "mask". So I voted Sawyer, plus, they make a cute couple.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

:) :wave2: mspickle!

[ISIS]

I began disliking Kate when she begin playing with both men. Right now; Kate is on my Jack list and this is not a good thing.

I'm an older woman and I suppose I'm old school. My mother always said a woman that plays two men are just no good; she added a name that I won't post.

Sawyer is too good for her; but, like you said :wave2:mspickle, she makes Sawyer happy and they do make a cute couple.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Kate's also on my 'Jack List', ISIS. I mean the girl basically is Jack without the...um...yeah.

[Indrid Cold]

Kate will in all probabiltity end up with someone who is the complete opposite of her. Someone who is very rich and well respected, and she will live a life in which she must cover up her past and all of her dirt.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Or you know, she'll live in jail with a completely different mate. :nanabobo:

[Lost In His Eyes]

I still say Jack because I'm a hopeless romantic and because it's what I want to see. :p It might not happen, oh well. But I still love Jack, and I still like Kate. :) Still wanna see em together.

[TheBigCat]

If you love Jack so much why would you want to see him with Kate?

[azteclady]

I say . . . no one. Kate's role on the show should not be about whom she will end up with.I like this point of view.

[Indrid Cold]

Kate in jail as someones bitch, thats an interesting picture.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I can picture it..

*imagines her grabbing the bars of her cell screaming out "JAAAACK"* :nanabobo:

[ozanna]

I can picture it..

*imagines her grabbing the bars of her cell screaming out "JAAAACK"* :nanabobo:

Oh dear ............ I just nearly lost my lunch ! The idea of Jack doing anything remotely passionate - well, it is just... well, er ...:rolleyez::mad:
Actually it just doesn't set right. :confused:
He has the least sex appeal of anyone I've ever seen. Sorry Jack lovers, each to his own, please don't be offended.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

LOL I love you Anna. Though I'm sure I've said this a few times already...

[ozanna]

Thanks Dee - or should I say Michael ! Good luck ! We seem to think alike !

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Haha thanks! :)

[TheBigCat]

I can picture it..

*imagines her grabbing the bars of her cell screaming out "JAAAACK"*

Sort of like Kirk in Star Trek II.....KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

[ZIA]

I'd like to see Kate end up with Brian. :xmas_wink:

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Hahaha. Brian would love that. Too bad that's not an option. I'd go vote! :p

[ozanna]

I'd like to see Kate end up with Brian. :xmas_wink:

Okay, then, can I have Sawyer then ? Pretty please with Sawyer on top !

:sawyer::wave:

[Driveshaft4Dee]

I think there might be too many competitors for that one. xD

[TheBigCat]

Hahaha. Brian would love that. Too bad that's not an option. I'd go vote!

Look up.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

Hahahaha. Way to be.

My vote was casted a long time ago though. :(

[ozanna]

Sad but true, Dee !

I'll just have to carry on dreaming !

[Softlips]

Wait wait. Why the taped shut smiley? What do you know that I don't?
p.s. - Softlips! :awwhug:


Hi Dee,
I've been hanging in the spoiler section and being a Skate fan I wasn't happy.

I say . . . no one. Kate's role on the show should not be about whom she will end up with.

Agreed, but her relationship w/her two island loves are part of what is building her character and vice versa.

[Driveshaft4Dee]

That's why I swore off spoilers Softlips.

[ozanna]

No offence Softlips, but I feel that her r/ship with her two island "loves" is what is so demeaning to her and just makes her out to be a little twit who can't make up her mind between two blokes, when there's so much more interesting stuff to be done. She's already slept with Sawyer twice, that we know of, and the fact that she craves Jack in my old fashioned heart makes her out to be a bit of a 'ho ! JMHO !

I find it hard to see either couple living happily ever after.

I read spoilers but take them with a VERY large grain of salt ! I'M sure half the time its just the producers with their tonges firmly in their cheeks !

I just realized Softlips - I called you Hotlips! I am so sorry, it was a complete typo and I feel like such an idiot ! Blame it on Sawyer - I always blame him for my weird state of mind !

[Brian]

I'd like to see Kate end up with Brian. :xmas_wink:

Hahaha. Brian would love that. Too bad that's not an option. I'd go vote! :p

Look up.

:D Thanks TBC!

Only 111 more votes and I can tie this thing. ;)

[LPU]

110.

[ZIA]

Look up.

Dammit!
I already voted for "someone else" and meant Brian. Does that still count?

[Softlips]

Hey Ozanna
No offense taking. I certainly didn’t mean Kate is or should be defined by her relationships w/Sawyer or Jack. But her character is and has grown due to her relationships on the island, period. She happens to be closest to and more interested in Sawyer and Jack, so those relationships are going to shape her character the most and vice versa. I do understand where you are coming from though.

Am I making sense? I’ll come back after drinking a pot of much needed coffee :coffeedunk:

[ISIS]

Dammit!
I already voted for "someone else" and meant Brian. Does that still count?

I meant Brian too. :rolleyez: What was I thinking?

[ozanna]

Zia, careful you don't dig yourself into a hole ! :D:Cheers:

Softlips (got it right this time !) I can see entirely where you're coming from and I think Kate's r'ships with Sawyer and Jack has certainly made her start to think about others - she was always very self centred. But when Pickett had his gun to Sawyer's head Kate was certainly genuine in her fear for him. I can't quite decide whether it was because she loves him or just a natural concern for a friend who is in mortal danger.

This also made her want to go back for Jack, even though he had told them not to, but I think she has begun to value true friendship and care for another person, and it doesn't hurt if they're easy on the eye as well ! :nanabobo:

But I still can't see her settling down with either one of them, she's too restless and will only end up hurting them both. Could be an interesting ride ! :rolleyez:

[Driveshaft4Dee]

:yeah: is all I have to say. Hehe.

[PabloCruiseTX]

My one word answer is:

Jack.



Go Jate! http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[ozanna]

My one word answer is:

Jack.



Go Jate! http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

My sentiments precisely. Sawyer is happy now - let him have some peace ! :)

[Locke 'n' Load]

I want to change my vote from "Sawyer" to "no one". I want Sawyer to stay happy with Juliet, and Kate deserves to be alone!

[sgtdraino]

I would like Kate to end up with Paulo.

Buried alive... buried alive... buried alive...

[Jinjur]

SO you want her buried alive?

[DR76]

There are people who still care about whom Kate ends up with? Geez!