ECKO is a Good person

[Gambit980]

Outside of just his character. Ecko was supposed to be taken by the others. He was on the list as a good person, and they tried to abduct him. Unfortunately they were killed in the process. I think it's intresting that he was on the list of the Good and not the bad.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Yeah, I don't know what makes a person "good" vs. bad. Is it physical attributes like health, blood type????

It also means that Eko knows the others had wanted him as he was on the list. I wonder how they feel about him killing 2 of them. Maybe that's what the gist of the conversation was about between Eko and Gale. Eko gave him a message shrouded in his confessional/threat probably with the intention that it will eventually be relayed to the rest of the others.

[Hodgepodge]

Outside of just his character. Ecko was supposed to be taken by the others. He was on the list as a good person, and they tried to abduct him. Unfortunately they were killed in the process. I think it's intresting that he was on the list of the Good and not the bad.You maybe right Gambit, but I looked at it another way.

Remember when Ana-Lucia and Goodwin climbed into the mountains to see if they could get any type of reception from the radio? The episode was, The Other 48 Days. Well, she asks him why he thought they were doing this. Why they were being attacked. Goodwin's answer was very telling, because we find out later he was part of the "Others". "That first night they took the strongest of us -- our quiet friend -- three other guys. They're all athletic, tough, threats." "They didn't take you?", was Ana-Lucia's reply. Goodwin goes on to explain. "Guess they changed their plan after two of them got killed." Mr. Eko killed the two he's referring to. So maybe the "Others" were just trying to get Eko out of the way. So they could get to the "good" ones.

[Gambit980]

Hmmmmm that seems true. But do we know they just killed or dimissed the people they took the first night? From what we are told from the Others everyone that has been taken is "fine", of course I guess they would have said the same for Clarie. Here's a thought, if they didn't have enough vaccine for Clarie and the baby, why do they keep taking people, they can't save.

[azteclady]

I also thought that they tried to get Eko because he posed a threat - anyone observing the tailies would have seen Eko tirelessly dragging bodies from the ocean, pressumably to give them proper burial, etc. which shows just how strong physically and mentally Eko is.

[Hodgepodge]

Hmmmmm that seems true. But do we know they just killed or dimissed the people they took the first night? From what we are told from the Others everyone that has been taken is "fine", of course I guess they would have said the same for Clarie. Here's a thought, if they didn't have enough vaccine for Clarie and the baby, why do they keep taking people, they can't save.I'm with you Gambit. I think the people that were taken are still alive. Just call it a gut feeling! Regarding your other point.

I think what Ethan was telling Claire was a bunch-of-bull! Is there a chance they would've sent her back to the Losties? I guess there's a possibilty. But, in my opinion, they just wanted Aaron. Kind of ironic if you think about it. Remember when Ethan kidnapped Claire? Charlie later on tells Jack. "That's all they wanted." "All they wanted was Claire."

[azteclady]

Ethan told Claire that he let Charlie go once they were far enough from camp, remember? Yet Charlie was hanging from that tree when Jack and Kate found him. Hence, methinks that everything coming out of Ethan's mouth is more than likely :bs:

[Gambit980]

Well there is a perfect exsample. On the one hand we're supposed to belive the Others have not killed the kids. For the main reason we see what looks like the kids feet and a teddy bear. Then ethan turns around an tells claire that charlie is fine? Did he know the Charlie was saved by Jack, or did he just lie? and if he lies can we not trust what all the other, others(man I wish we had another woed someties), say?

[Gambit980]

:scared:And OMG don't look now...... Acutally do look Hodge changed his AVI. Is the world coming to an end?

[Hodgepodge]

Well there is a perfect exsample. On the one hand we're supposed to belive the Others have not killed the kids. For the main reason we see what looks like the kids feet and a teddy bear. Then ethan turns around an tells claire that charlie is fine? Did he know the Charlie was saved by Jack, or did he just lie? and if he lies can we not trust what all the other, others(man I wish we had another woed someties), say?Gambit, the only thing I believe Zeke and the "Others" have said is, 'you stay away from this part of the island.' They're working on something, and they don't want the Losties near it.

And yeah, I had to put Locke down for awhile! Hopefully he'll return soon. Once he gets out of that "hatch". :mad:

[Sharon19]

Eko shouldn't feel bad just because the Others dont consider him "good" anymore...I mean considering they have no problems killing people and/or kidnapping children, he probably wouldnt want to measure up to thier standards of good.

[OnlyWednesdayNightMatters]

I think that we need to expand our interpretation of "good" and "bad".

For example, there is the purest sense: Mother Theresa was a "good" person.

Then there is a contextual sense. For example, if I was captain of a basketball team, I would want to pick Michael Jordan, because he's "good".

I have the sense that the Others are using "good" and "bad" in the latter sense. So, in that vein, what do you think their criteria is?

Did they take Walt because he's "good" at creating effects with his mind?
Did they take children and some adults because they're "good" at seeing through things and sensing the world around them?

I feel like the Others are taking people who are "good" at whatever it is that could interfere with their plans.

My two cents.

[Shardyk]

Eko is "good".. but what does "good" mean? We don't have the slightest idea, do we?

[Hodgepodge]

...Then there is a contextual sense. For example, if I was captain of a basketball team, I would want to pick Michael Jordan, because he's "good".

I have the sense that the Others are using "good" and "bad" in the latter sense. So, in that vein, what do you think their criteria is?

Did they take Walt because he's "good" at creating effects with his mind?
Did they take children and some adults because they're "good" at seeing through things and sensing the world around them?

I feel like the Others are taking people who are "good" at whatever it is that could interfere with their plans.

My two cents.First off, let me welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Make sure to read the Welcome (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2)forum, it's easy to get lost. Now to your post.

OWNM, I agree with the majority of your theory. There's been speculation, the survivors have been monitored all of there lives. Some even believe, the pairings of their parents, was a Dharma plot!

So I agree, the "Others" define "good" in a contextual sense. But not to keep them from interferring. On the contrary! Lets say you've monitored Walt from a baby. If you manipulated the meeting and pairing of Michael and Susan. It's because you think their offspring, Walt, maybe able to help in whatever your pursuits may be.

And again, :welcome:

[9mile monster]

I think that we need to expand our interpretation of "good" and "bad".

For example, there is the purest sense: Mother Theresa was a "good" person.

Then there is a contextual sense. For example, if I was captain of a basketball team, I would want to pick Michael Jordan, because he's "good".

I have the sense that the Others are using "good" and "bad" in the latter sense. So, in that vein, what do you think their criteria is?

Did they take Walt because he's "good" at creating effects with his mind?
Did they take children and some adults because they're "good" at seeing through things and sensing the world around them?

I feel like the Others are taking people who are "good" at whatever it is that could interfere with their plans.

My two cents.

That is a good point you make, about what good means.
Who else on Craphole island is "good" in the sense you mean?

Jack is definitely a "good" guy because he is the only doctor there to take care of everyone's health problems.

Sawyer is "good" at conning people

Locke is "good" at hunting

Opps, I forgot that this is an EKO thread, and he is "good" in many ways,
Eko is good because he is a big, strong, burly guy who can protect people
" " " " he can construct buildings

[9mile monster]

It is interesting to wait out the show to find out who or what is the driving force. I'm still out as to whether Eko is actually good in the positive moral sense.
He appears to be sincere and reverant when speaking with people like Claire for instance. But his mis-quotes from the Bible and wierd baptisim tell me otherwise. I'm wondering if Eko is another con man.
Time will tell

[Hodgepodge]

It is interesting to wait out the show to find out who or what is the driving force. I'm still out as to whether Eko is actually good in the positive moral sense.
He appears to be sincere and reverant when speaking with people like Claire for instance. But his mis-quotes from the Bible and wierd baptisim tell me otherwise. I'm wondering if Eko is another con man.
Time will tell9mile monster, I'm not sure when Eko regain his religious fervor. It may've been after surviving the crash. Or, maybe he never lost it. But in any case, his referrals to Bible verses and protocols, maybe his first tries in many, many years.

[9mile monster]

That is an interesting point, Hodge. In times of tragedy people do run to their God for redemption, rescue or just plain sanctuary even if they've been away from it for a long time.

[Hodgepodge]

That is an interesting point, Hodge. In times of tragedy people do run to their God for redemption, rescue or just plain sanctuary even if they've been away from it for a long time.Got any ideas why he was in Australia?

[cautiousguyonlost]

Eko means well. He is building a church for people that wanted to confess their sins and making them holly again. He is such a cool guy. But something tells me that he more than good.

[9mile monster]

Boy I missed "?" because I was on vacation, so I'm pretty excited to see last nights show. Hey Cautious, Eko's not building a church. He's building a yert like the ones that the Others live in.