S2 EPISODE 18 THREAD 05-APR-06: Dave

[Brian]

This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "Dave"

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Episode Description:

Libby lends Hurley support when he begins to think the island is having a strange effect on him, and Locke's sense of purpose is shaken when the prisoner provides new information about the hatch.

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[LostInWilderness]

WOOHOO. Finally something that captures my imagination in season 2! Hurley's havid left a shoe!

[LostInWilderness]

I like this one already!

[LostInWilderness]

I wondered why I was the only guy posting. Sorry for the delay everybody. ;)

[LoonyLuna]

Everything's so creepy! I love it! "I am not a bad person!"

[vegasidol]

Who were all those other people around the food? I didn't recognize at least 3 of them...

[~G~]

Gale just cannot shut up, can he?

Good stuff!

[Mysterious Mike]

The Hurley flashback seems a little sinister.

Damnit they need Sayid in there to get the real answers just disarm the dude

[NikBhat]

so Zeke isnt the big man on campus? who is above him then?

[Without Dane]

So. Looks like Dave is purely a figment of Hurley's imagination. Maybe that's why nobody would pass Dave the ball in the basketball game? Hurley's psychiatrist seems to be working with the idea of "Dave" as the side of Hurley's mind that deals with guilt and forces him to eat.

[Enigma]

me neither. I wondered the same thing. How many are on the island in this group?

[Mysterious Mike]

so Zeke isnt the big man on campus? who is above him then?

Alvar Hanso

[dialed]

:pray: please let it be a good one, please, please!

Patiently waiting for 9pm PST~

[~G~]

Davis as Hurley's Watcher? Is this new, or am I dense?

[mojodragonfly]

So. Looks like Dave is purely a figment of Hurley's imagination. Maybe that's why nobody would pass Dave the ball in the basketball game? Hurley's psychiatrist seems to be working with the idea of "Dave" as the side of Hurley's mind that deals with guilt and forces him to eat.

I'm with you on that.


of course, the slipper(he hid from libby) could be in Hurley's imagination as well, as I guess.

[Enigma]

I agree Dave is imaginary IMHO

[boonian androphile]

This episode reminds me of when capt kirk saw finnigan---again. Finnigan was an obnoxious dork too. Cant dave though have a different name?:(

[MadLost]

this is my first time post

so yeah yadayada

but i think its pretty obvious that Hurley's freind is made up in his head. Somehow the island is making him real somehow but its a dead give away that the first flashback with Hurley talking to him during the basketball game that he's all in his head.

I might be wrong

I hope im wrong because i think i just figured out this episode in the first ten minutes but...i guess we'll see

oh and the island picture in the background while the doc is speaking to him is cute

[iamaflashback]

will anyone see the slipper?

[TastyBabySoup]

i cant wait to finish this. finally! ANSWERS!


i was wrong....gale was lying :-/

[~G~]

Ecko! Da man!

[~G~]

He's getting Hurl to exercise...

[~G~]

He ain't a figment!

Or is Doc bein' sneaky...



Is Hurl schizophrenic?

I have been waiting for thr Hurl BeatDown on Sawyer for soooo long!

[ljarvie]

I think Dave is imaginary in both times!

[dmdsoftware]

He really doesn't exist, on or off the island.

[jaysmusicman]

Did "dave" say hanso on the photo op? ...

[dmdsoftware]

Is the island a figment of his imagination, or is it a trick of his mind?

[LostInWilderness]

So Dave is actually Hurley's imaginary friend from before the island. It's still interesting.

[salem2005]

Did "dave" say hanso on the photo op? ...

Did he? I didn't catch what he said...

[Mysterious Mike]

Are Hurley and Dave going to break out One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest style.



PUT IT IN THE HOLE CHEIF!

[~G~]

I think your right...he gave a rocknroll Hanso...

[LoonyLuna]

no i believe he said "queso" when they told him to say cheese

[Without Dane]

Yeah, Dave has gotta be imaginary. That whole photo-op has to be a set-up for a reveal when Hurley sees the photograph on the bulletin board and its only him in it. Great episode so far. Going fast though.

[salem2005]

What year did the new U.S. 20 dollar bills come out with the colors in it? I don't think it was too long ago.

The real Henry Gales 20 dollar bill had the colors on it, so he must have crashed on the island not too long ago.

[~G~]

Offering Locke a wheelchair in a jungle/beach setting was silly. I guess it could help in the Hatch, but it still seems goofy..

[lostboy]

BWAHAHAHAHA! "I got enough food here to open up a chain of mini-marts..... hey you think Sayid needs a job?"

[salem2005]

I think Timmy fell down a well over that way.


I love Sawyer's lines...

[~G~]

Does Libby want to be his woman or his shrink?

[salem2005]

Finally someone mentions the caves...I wondered what happened to them.

[salem2005]

Hurley and the food is really grossing me out.

[jaysmusicman]

BWAHAHAHAHA! "I got enough food here to open up a chain of mini-marts..... hey you think Sayid needs a job?"

That cracked me up too!

As to the Hanso Photo Op, Queso would seem to make more sense! thanx for pointing that out hehe

[~G~]

That picture gave me shivers!

[Enigma]

OK who DIDN'T see that photo coming. LOL

[lostboy]

Throw doody at people?

BWAHAHAHA!

[~G~]

What?!? It's almost over! It just started!


I go cry now...

[ljarvie]

I've seen the guy playing Dave in something before. What's he been in? :confused:

[SeanDude05]

What year did the new U.S. 20 dollar bills come out with the colors in it? I don't think it was too long ago.

The real Henry Gales 20 dollar bill had the colors on it, so he must have crashed on the island not too long ago. The colorful 20$ came out May 13th I think, 2003.

[salem2005]

I've seen the guy playing Dave in something before. What's he been in? :confused:

You know, I thought the same thing...but I can't place him...what show(s) have we seen him on?

[salem2005]

The colorful 20$ came out May 13th I think, 2003.

Thanks.

[vegasidol]

Another Sawyerism...'Deepdish'.

:p

[LoonyLuna]

i wonder how hurley can feel him:ImLost:

[boonian androphile]

For those who were asking, "Dave" was in Sex and the City.

[vanillafields3]

I think he was on Sex and the City.

[jaysmusicman]

You know, I thought the same thing...but I can't place him...what show(s) have we seen him on?
He kinda reminds me of Mike Mayers Doctor Evil! or Mini Me, which is not Mini, hehe... think he came out in alias before?

[salem2005]

For those who were asking, "Dave" was in Sex and the City.

Ah yes...thank you!

[ljarvie]

Ahhh yes, Charlotte's husband. Thank you!

[dialed]

The character playing 'Dave' is also a comedian, I believe.

[~G~]

Whoa.

[LoonyLuna]

ok what dave's sayin better not be true coz that would be a sucky ending

[Rocky Raccoon]

Obviously it's not.

[salem2005]

Holy crap…Dave’s explanation is really believable! I mean I know it's not true...but no wonder Hurley is screwed up!

[CHFDigital]

This is a really fun episode thus far, but this is a 180-degree turn for the Hurley character.

(Wasn't the psychotic Hurley a plotline that they threw away last year?)

[Kud-Dukan]

There is that quote again: "See you in another life"!

[LoonyLuna]

i know its not true but how believable was that?? poor hurley. "see ya in another life"

[Mysterious Mike]

Dave = Evil

[jaysmusicman]

Cool the whole series is all in Hurleys mind! hurley jumps off, end of season! hehehe NOT!

Yay libby is coming up again right? libby yummier than peanut butter!

Damn commercial! I can't believe waiting for a week for this ,and the episode almost over!!! arrrgggg....felt like the episode just breezed by:(

[salem2005]

You know, this whole thing is almost like TPTB are just debunking more theories...it was a theory out there that this was all in Hurley's head and he was still in the institution...so by doing this episode, and I'm sure they will end it in a minute here with Hurley realizing that it's NOT all in his head...but by doing this episode, TPTB are debunking theories. Either that, or they just liked this theory and decided to use it on the show!

[raven444]

that starbucks shout-out was great.

[~G~]

I had thought that might be the case...kinda like Identity...during S1, but there's waaaay to much invested in this for a Nehart ending.

[Without Dane]

yea they are using what seemed like a predictable storyline (Dave not being real) really creatively. No Libby in flashbacks though! I thought that was coming.

[dmdsoftware]

yea they are using what seemed like a predictable storyline (Dave not being real) really creatively. No Libby in flashbacks though! I thought that was coming.

There's still some time. Give it time....

[Kud-Dukan]

Locke had better get off the crutches soon...but I'm thinking he will probably be on them for a while. :(

[~G~]

What a manipulative SOB!

[nbrendal]

ooohh he never entered the numbers...getting good.

[Kud-Dukan]

OK if Henry didn't push the button, then does the countdown really serve no purpose at all? Or did Henry not pushing the button start an event that will lead the season finale?

Or is he just lying...again?

[Csizzle]

So did the food shoot out from secret place in the ground into the air when the timer hit zero.... hense no plane.

[TastyBabySoup]

libby got him with the old "what was that guy i met's name?" classic libby.


(whats with the fast episodes all of a friggin sudden?)

[ljarvie]

The timer probably causes some experiment to occur and entering the numbers prevents it.

Still not sure why he'd want to be caught.

[~G~]

Hurley is officially my hero.

[vanillafields3]

numbers = hurley said he killed 2 people
doctor told hurley deck was built for 8 but there were 23 people on it

[nbrendal]

this is prescious.

[ljarvie]

I knew she was there!

[nbrendal]

OMG LIBBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kud-Dukan]

WOAH!!!

[~G~]

Oh.........SNAP!

[salem2005]

yea they are using what seemed like a predictable storyline (Dave not being real) really creatively. No Libby in flashbacks though! I thought that was coming.

There she is!

[Kud-Dukan]

OMG Did you see the preview?!?

[~G~]

I am jaw dropped stunned. Was she in any past episodes? Is this a total stunner?

[CHFDigital]

One of the best reveals of the season...

[blondiejam]

what a crazy episode!!!

[salem2005]

Most interesting line of the night:

Henry to Locke:

"God doesn’t know how long we’ve been here John, he can’t see this island any better than the rest of the world can."

[jaysmusicman]

There's still some time. Give it time....
Wow you definitely called that! You rock!!!.... amazing ending... hey is previews true? and no replay next week? .... Can't wait for next week! ...

Wish i was in that island ! i want a girl like libby imaginary or no imaginary friend!

Oh yeah did they just mislead us in the previews of hurley almost falling of the cliff?

[Csizzle]

confirmed Libby was locked up in the psych ward with Hurley..... and no Dave

[cooljule]

What!?! Libby in the kook-house? didn't see that coming.

[PandoraX]

Henry tied in a "crucified" position... later talking about God (and after implying he was a martyr)... interesting.

[Verite Garde]

What did Sawyer say about opening a chain of Mini Marts. "Should we tell Sayid?" LOL.

[TastyBabySoup]

except for libby in the mental institution and gale talking about the numbers and saying "zeke" isn't the head hancho....nothing too groundbreaking in the episode. even those didnt give you enough to get excited about. next week looks like the big one. Damn. 7 more days.....again

[PandoraX]

A lot of Sawyer nicknames in this one, too...

[dmdsoftware]

Wow you definitely called that! You rock!!!.... amazing ending... hey is previews true? and no replay next week? .... Can't wait for next week! ...

Wish i was in that island ! i want a girl like libby imaginary or no imaginary friend!

Oh yeah did they just mislead us in the previews of hurley almost falling of the cliff?

The previews for the Canadian feed was different than the USA feed again this week.

... that locke lets the timer run down so that he can get another look at the map at which is trying to draw a copy of.

[dmdsoftware]

Wow you definitely called that! You rock!!!.... amazing ending... hey is previews true? and no replay next week? .... Can't wait for next week! ...

Wish i was in that island ! i want a girl like libby imaginary or no imaginary friend!

Oh yeah did they just mislead us in the previews of hurley almost falling of the cliff?

The previews for the Canadian feed was different than the USA feed again this week.

... that locke lets the timer run down so that he can get another look at the map at which is trying to draw a copy of.

[Daytripper]

ok.....who saw the whole Dave imaginary friend thing coming?
libby, however, blew me away. What does that mean?

[Diamondduste]

Most interesting line of the night:

Henry to Locke:

"God doesn’t know how long we’ve been here John, he can’t see this island any better than the rest of the world can."

I agree. Leads a lot of credibility to the whole "island is under some type of cloaking device/cover" theory.

I also think that Sawyer's line about Sayid working at 7-11 was one of the funniest things he's ever said.

[salem2005]

A lot of Sawyer nicknames in this one, too...


Libby = Moonbeam!

[Insane King]

Okay, I seriously need some insight on this one. I am so confused I could scream, does anybody have any idea what is going on what so ever? With the whole Libby in the insane asylum place. And the fact that Henrey said God can't see the island? I am just so confused, need a few ideas to go off of.

[Diamondduste]

ok.....who saw the whole Dave imaginary friend thing coming?
libby, however, blew me away. What does that mean?

It means she's a compulsive liar.

[pandahugger]

I predicted that the Starbucks comment would have show up before post #68. Y'all are losing your touch!:nanabobo:

[nbrendal]

It means she's a compulsive liar.

she obviously recognizes hurley..was starting right at him. Wonder when he'll find out...

[Verite Garde]

Who does Ana think she is telling Locke his visiting Henry was "not on the program"? This is Locke's hatch! :) I'm glad he told her he didn't care what she thought. Not an Ana hater, more a Locke fan.

[jaylaw81]

Ok...i know i saw this...there are words in the water!!!! When hurly and libby were on the cliff and the camera did its last shot at the water below, right before the camera cut back to hurly and libby, words formed in the water below!! What did the words say?!!?

[Chinamom]

S2E17 ”DAVE”

BIG QUESTIONS:
Who dropped the supplies?
If Zeke is “no one,” then who is “HE?”
What will “they” do to Fake Henry and who are “they?”
Is all this in Hurley’s head?
God can’t see the island?
LIBBY IN THE HOSPITAL!?
Did Henry enter the numbers and execute or not?
Clunking and hum and MAGNET?!
How did Libby find Hurley at the cliff?

MORE THAN COINCIDENCE?
Dave’s white slipper /white sneaker hanging in tree after crash
Beautiful beach picture hanging in doctor’s office
Hurley’s doctor asked him to make a LIST
Locke wiggling his toes in hatch just as he did after the crash
Dharma “incident”/Hurley’s “accident”

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF:
Man, I don’t know WHAT to suspend this week...except maybe Jin pulling Hurley off Sawyer.

QUESTIONS ANSWERED:
Hurley’s mom put him in the hospital.
Reason for Hurley’s hospitalization (the deck accident).

MUST GOOGLE:
Clonozipan (sp?)

LOST FOOD:
Goldfish crackers, celery, graham crackers, Oreos, lasagna

LOST COLORS:
Orange again (Hurley’s tshirt, the Birds of Paradise flowers in the jungle as he is walking with Dave.

NICKNAMES:
Tattoo (Charlie)
Moonbeam (Libby)
Deep Dish (Hurley)
Babynapper (Charlie)
Sawyer’s Sayid/mini mart remark was a little over the edge, even for LOST writers, yuck.

NUMBERS:
2 months Hurley had been hospitalized
Sayid gave Henry 3 seconds to answer his question
23 people on a deck designed for 8, 2 died
Locke wanted 5 minutes with Fake Henry
Survivors on island for 2 months


PARALLEL LINES:
Dave: “See you in another life, Hurley”

CHARACTERS:

Sawyer: Sawyer’s background dialogue during the supply drop free-for-all were hilarious. Need to watch that again!

Sayid: Sheesh, is he losing it? Someone take the gun away from him!

Locke: OUCH, the leg.

Sun/Jin: Great reactions to Hurley’s attack on Sawyer! :)

Walt: NEXT WEEK’S PREVIEW?!?!

Ana: “Shut up” to Henry. LOL!

Mr. Eko: Where did he get an old-time washtub? What is he building?

Libby: To Hurley, “You can trust me.” Famous last words!

Redshirts: I love Bruce Davison! Great to see him on LOST.
The real Henry Gale’s wife was named Jennifer.

Favorite Lines:
Charlie’s polar bear on roller blades with a mango remark
Hurley’s naked doody-thrower!

Literary/pop references:
Sawyer to Kate: “I think Timmy fell in a well over that way” reference to “Lassie” TV series.
Dave to Hurley re: Death Star (Star Wars)

Kleenex Moments:
Hurley and Libby’s kiss

Minor Questions:
Was there a “Previously on LOST...”? I tuned in a minute late to see Libby and Hurley walking on the beach. What happened before that?
Where would Eko get an old-time washtub?
Was Dave on an actual trail when he was running with the coconut? I saw a dirt path.
What was written on the chalkboard in the hospital rec room?
Who was in the framed picture in Hurley’s hospital room? There is a thread here where someone is collecting pictures from the backgrounds.

Seriously Creepy:
The doctor’s Polaroid! Dave doesn’t exist!
The cliff! Standing way too close while kissing Libby!
Dave: “It’s gonna get worse before it gets better.”
Libby’s face after Hurley asks her if she thinks he can get better: “Yeah, I do.” !!!

Music:
Kissing on the cliff music, one of the beautiful LOST themes

Summary:
WHOA, almost Too Much Information this time!!! Big hoorays to Jorge for a hugely compelling performance. Glad he got his wish of an island romance, even if it’s with possibly disturbed Libby.
I liked it! And I loved hearing Lenny saying the numbers!

PS Did anyone else think it was funny to plant a Gatorade commercial featuring a WILSON volleyball during LOST? No? Oh, OK. I guess you didn’t see “Castaway.” :)

[Kud-Dukan]

Who does Ana think she is telling Locke his visiting Henry was "not on the program"?

Yeah, I was like "Excuse me?!".

[magnoliasouth]

First impression: Awesome episode. Hurley is adorable and Libby had better NOT be only after Hurley's money.

[Verite Garde]

I still don't trust Henry.

[DreaminLost]

I thought Henry being strung up in a Jesus position was interesting.

And his comment about God not seeing them or knowing they're there. Are they in hell?

One other Christian reference--did you see Eko making the sign of the cross on himself with the water from the bucket?

[radiohead]

so hot chicks only go after fat guys if they're crazy? hmmm....

another throw at the audience:

charlie stating that maybe the lockdown happened cuz of the food drop so nobody would see who flew it in.

do not read about canadian previews if you want to know whether henry gale is still lying. (about the button)

per usual hurly-centric epi, this one seemed to me like comic relief before the storm. albeit dark comedy.

"henry"'s lines continue to be awesome

[Csizzle]

So Hurley killed someone also, be it accidently, so is the island some kind of prison? Seems everyone has killed someone. Also what about Dave's therory that they are all in a coma?

[jaylaw81]

ok...words in the water...did anyone see those?

[locke'd up]

I've seen the guy playing Dave in something before. What's he been in? :confused:

Kristin's boyfriend/husband on Sex in the City

[Diamondduste]

I thought Henry being strung up in a Jesus position was interesting.

And his comment about God not seeing them or knowing they're there. Are they in hell?

One other Christian reference--did you see Eko making the sign of the cross on himself with the water from the bucket?

The God not seeing them line most likely has to do with the fact that the island is under some type of cover - probably a radar cover - probably due to Hanso's deep pockets. He'd have the resources to basically "hide" an island if he wanted to do so.

Eko made what looked to be a Sign of the Cross, but it usually goes (or at least how I remember) head(Father), chest(son), holy spirt/ghost(left then right shoulder). Eko went head, shoulders, and then chest.

[Bishop]

OK guys here are some pics... Let me know if you can determine what else is on these 20 dollar bill shots...

http://com3.runboard.com/bprotocol21.flost.t4

[Tarlondwen]

Anyone else start cracking up at the grins on the Losties faces as they stood around and watched Hurley beat the everlivin' snot outta Sawyer? I love Sawyer, but that was hysterical.

Eh, that was an okay episode... not much of a surprise, most people had guessed last Weds that "Henry" never really pushed the button... and we've already seen the pics of Libby in the mental hospital and Hurley with his arm around thin air... I think I'd better stop looking for spoilers online, it ruins the episodes!! Of course, being a clinical psychology major I thought Dave's explanation was fascinating. Next week's episode should be interesting... maybe someone on that damn island will finally get some action, what with Kate and Jack out in the jungle on their own... not a big Jate fan but at this point I'll take whatever I can get.

[redneck once removed]

I liked this one too. :D Hurley cracks me up! About time for a Sawyer :thwak: ing.

I :heartpump LOST! :)

[garface]

"SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF:
Man, I don’t know WHAT to suspend this week...except maybe Jin pulling Hurley off Sawyer."

How about throwing out a load of good food when you're stranded on an island. I don't care how fat you are, give it to someone else, don't throw it on the ground.

[DreaminLost]

Eko made what looked to be a Sign of the Cross, but it usually goes (or at least how I remember) head(Father), chest(son), holy spirt/ghost(left then right shoulder). Eko went head, shoulders, and then chest.
Yes, but Eko also recited the 23rd Psalm incorrectly.

[LostIslandJedi]

I'm confused....at the end of the episode...where she was taking her pills and looks whacked out...was that a recording tape of when Cynthia (LIBBY) was arrested by the police for driving under the influence??

Whoa!

:rolleyez: :Cheers:

hehe

[Verite Garde]

Sh*t! There are letters in the water along the rocks!

But I can't read them well enough on my TV screen. We need the geniuses here to do their magic, but good catch!

[jaylaw81]

what do the letters say???

[garface]

I'm confused....at the end of the episode...where she was taking her pills and looks whacked out...was that a recording tape of when Cynthia (LIBBY) was arrested by the police for driving under the influence??

Whoa!

:rolleyez: :Cheers:

hehe

Wasn't that Michelle Rodriguez?

[LostInWilderness]

Try the episode discussion thread. I'm sure it will work wonders. Merging.

[Lost In NC]

Anyone else start cracking up at the grins on the Losties faces as they stood around and watched Hurley beat the everlivin' snot outta Sawyer? I love Sawyer, but that was hysterical.

Eh, that was an okay episode... not much of a surprise, most people had guessed last Weds that "Henry" never really pushed the button... and we've already seen the pics of Libby in the mental hospital and Hurley with his arm around thin air... I think I'd better stop looking for spoilers online, it ruins the episodes!! Of course, being a clinical psychology major I thought Dave's explanation was fascinating. Next week's episode should be interesting... maybe someone on that damn island will finally get some action, what with Kate and Jack out in the jungle on their own... not a big Jate fan but at this point I'll take whatever I can get.
Yeah Jin couldn't stop laughing :D Classic!

[LostIslandJedi]

GARFACE

---- BOTH were arrested....BOTH. :drinky:

[LostInWilderness]

Did anybody think Henry II was channeling me? "This is a joke!" talking about the hatch. I felt vindicated. ;)

[Diamondduste]

Wasn't that Michelle Rodriguez?

Cynthia got arrested at basically the same time as Michelle Rodriguez.

[LostHackedTrojan7]

For those who were asking, "Dave" was in Sex and the City.

Yes the jew which Charlotte was about to marry...

[redneck once removed]

"SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF:
Man, I don’t know WHAT to suspend this week...except maybe Jin pulling Hurley off Sawyer."

How about throwing out a load of good food when you're stranded on an island. I don't care how fat you are, give it to someone else, don't throw it on the ground.


:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:, :rotfl:

[LostIslandJedi]

LIW ---

Its all coming to a head now baby!

[LostHackedTrojan7]

There is that quote again: "See you in another life"!

Who told that?

[LostIslandJedi]

Desmond dude.....

[beachbunnie88]

so Zeke isnt the big man on campus? who is above him then?

I think in the Claire flashback episode we found out that Zeke wasn't running the show, he was just the face man

[Verite Garde]

Eko made what looked to be a Sign of the Cross, but it usually goes (or at least how I remember) head(Father), chest(son), holy spirt/ghost(left then right shoulder). Eko went head, shoulders, and then chest.

Did he? Of course. LOL. It is consistant of him.

[Diamondduste]

I think in the Claire flashback episode we found out that Zeke wasn't running the show, he was just the face man

Yeah, by the looks of things - we're being set-up for an appearence by either DeGroot or Hanso himself. I say in the season finale we'll see at least one of them.

[Sawyersgrl]

Yes the jew which Charlotte was about to marry...


She did marry him......and they adopted a baby from China.

[Mysterious Mike]

I think in the Claire flashback episode we found out that Zeke wasn't running the show, he was just the face man



He's Destro to Alvar Hanso's Cobra Commander.

[Crashdown]

Sh*t! There are letters in the water along the rocks!

But I can't read them well enough on my TV screen. We need the geniuses here to do their magic, but good catch!
I reviewed this on my TIVO frame by frame and only saw the letter "S" in the water, but I think it was naturally occurring.

[Verite Garde]

Yes the jew which Charlotte was about to marry...

Excuse me? She did marry him and they adopted a baby girl from China.

[iamaflashback]

think the others can see what they are doing? remember when zeke told them the things they were doing in the hatch.. ie take off your shoes... maybe thats why henry knew about the red images?

[Verite Garde]

I reviewed this on my TIVO frame by frame and only saw the letter "S" in the water, but I think it was naturally occurring.

There are quite a few going across from left to right in a startight line, not with the curves of the shoreline. The waves obscure many of the letters but....

I'm going back and playing it on another TV. I'll be back.

I'm back. Nope. Not in a straight line. We need techno help.

[Diamondduste]

Did he? Of course. LOL. It is consistant of him.

But that's the thing... I don't know if he was meaning to do the sign of the cross or what because there was 5 points to what Eko did. The touching of the chest was the 5th point.

[redneck once removed]

Who told that?

Tonight? : Dave to Hurley

[asm]

I thought the interrogation of "Henry" by Sayid and Anna smelled like the old "Good Cop/Bad Cop" routine. But Anna left the room and didn't try to get any more info out of him. Perhaps they will return next week.

[DreaminLost]

Excuse me? She did marry him and they adopted a baby girl from China.
Hello? Who cares about Sex and the City. This is a website for discussing Lost.

[beachbunnie88]

He ain't a figment!

Or is Doc bein' sneaky...



Is Hurl schizophrenic?

I have been waiting for thr Hurl BeatDown on Sawyer for soooo long!

As much of a Sawyer fan as I am, Hurley going off on Sawyer was a great thing. Sawyer really needed an a** wooping and Kate and Anna Lucia as much as they tried only cold-cocked ole Sawyer -- GO HURLEY!!!!

[Diamondduste]

He's Destro to Alvar Hanso's Cobra Commander.

Actually, Destro was Cobra's financial/weapons source. Hanso in this instance would be Destro. :)

[asm]

Hello? Who cares about and the City. This is a website for discussing Lost.

Yes, I agree. Thanks DL.

[magnoliasouth]

Okay so if the button doesn't do anything, then why does the map indicate that there was an incident just like Dr. Candle said? Any thoughts?

[ILoveMyPiggies]

Hey, second time posting, kinda stopped coming around these boards when life got busy but my interest returned after last week's episode...Anywho, here's a couple of thing's that piqued my interest after watching "Dave":
1) I thought it was pretty obvious that Dave was some sort of figment of Hurley's imagination in the FB...the way his psychiatrist was referring to Dave during Hurley's session and then the way Dave just seemed to be completely counter to everything Hurley was trying to accomplish while at the hospital, it just seemed like huge signs to me from the get-go that maybe Dave wasn't real.
2) I really want to know more about this "accident" that Hurley caused - Hurley has always been portrayed as this happy go lucky dude in the show up until now; I thought his addiction to food was the reason why his big flaw, but could it be this accident? (23 people on the boat!?!)
3) Did anyone else notice that when Mr. Eko was making his wooden whatever that when he grabbed water from the basin he made the sign of the cross? Just seemed like an interested little tidbit
4) I'm really intrigued at Libby's backstory now, I can't wait until her episode airs. I'd like to know more about what she was in the mental hospital for. I wonder if Hurley will ever figure out why she seems so familiar....
5) My gut feeling tells me to not believe what "Henry" told Locke about not putting in the numbers in the computer. He obviously knows more about that hatch then he's ready to let on. So what's his true purpose... recruiting Locke to the Others, psyching out the losties, getting the hatch back??
6) I think Locke's faith in the hatch and in the island has been shaken by what fake Henry told him. I mean, he's put so much energy in pushing this button every 108 minutes, if he were to believe that nothing really happens if you don't - well I don't really know.
Thats all I have for now, sorry if some of this has been posted in other messages - it's hard to keep up after a show airs!

[beachbunnie88]

BWAHAHAHAHA! "I got enough food here to open up a chain of mini-marts..... hey you think Sayid needs a job?"


Oooohhh LostBoy, that's freaking hilarious!!!! Bad for Sayid, but still............

[redneck once removed]

Hello? Who cares about Sex and the City. This is a website for discussing Lost.

:yeah: ;)

[islander]

Excuse me? She did marry him and they adopted a baby girl from China.
.. and "the jew" as someone called him was called Harry on Sex and the City.

[beachbunnie88]

Finally someone mentions the caves...I wondered what happened to them.

Yeah, why did they lose the caves, stay in the main part, you'd be safe from the cave in's

[Mysterious Mike]

Actually, Destro was Cobra's financial/weapons source. Hanso in this instance would be Destro.


I stand corrected



So is Pseudo Gale a Drednaught then

[Tarlondwen]

I'm glad they mentioned the caves, I'd been wondering for weeks what the deal was with those.

[DreaminLost]

Okay so if the button doesn't do anything, then why does the map indicate that there was an incident just like Dr. Candle said? Any thoughts?
I'm not so sure nothing happened. It could set in motion a series of events that are as yet undiscovered or unnoticed by the Losties.

Just wait...

[redneck once removed]

Okay so if the button doesn't do anything, then why does the map indicate that there was an incident just like Dr. Candle said? Any thoughts?

Who says there wasn't one? How do we know the incident wasn't a gradual thing, maybe the clanking was just the beginning. ;)

[sdunn96]

I seem to recall reading that TPTB said people would probably not like the way the show ends.
I think this has a strong possibilty of all being in Hurley's head.
There is nothing in this season or last to say it isn't......that he just has a really good imagination.
The only thing I can think of that would seem to lean toward this would be that the food drop happened with out anyone hearing a plane.
It had to be airlifted in and no one heard anything.

And as Danielle said, H.G. would lie for a long time. So he is lying to Locke.

[garface]

"2) I really want to know more about this "accident" that Hurley caused - Hurley has always been portrayed as this happy go lucky dude in the show up until now; I thought his addiction to food was the reason why his big flaw, but could it be this accident? (23 people on the boat!?!)"

I think it was a deck, like a balcony, not a boat. It collapsed when he stepped out onto it. 2 out of the 23 people died.

[magnoliasouth]

dreamin and redneck, I'm with you guys. The map to me indicates that there is something amiss here. I just couldn't believe the words that Henry used though. A joke? Something is definitely not right here. I'm wondering if even Henry knows everything. He might not know as much as he thinks he does.

[Diamondduste]

I stand corrected



So is Pseudo Gale a Drednaught then

LOL... Then who's Zartan? :)

(I watched a LOT of G.I. Joe when I was a kid)

[sdunn96]

"2) I really want to know more about this "accident" that Hurley caused - Hurley has always been portrayed as this happy go lucky dude in the show up until now; I thought his addiction to food was the reason why his big flaw, but could it be this accident? (23 people on the boat!?!)"

I think it was a deck, like a balcony, not a boat. It collapsed when he stepped out onto it. 2 out of the 23 people died.

I am sure future shows will give more detail.

[beachbunnie88]

OK if Henry didn't push the button, then does the countdown really serve no purpose at all? Or did Henry not pushing the button start an event that will lead the season finale?

Or is he just lying...again?

How can we trust anything that Henry said...although, I'm still kinda with Jack, let's see what happens if we DON"T push the button, I mean come on the whole island is one whole psychological experiment...

[Verite Garde]

Henry knows too much. It's like he's there to specifically play Locke. He knows Locke's most innder thoughts. Like what he knows Locke thinks will happen if the button gets neglected. "...the end of the world or something." He is not to be trusted. His face looked scary at the end of next week's preview.

[DreaminLost]

Pseudo Henry is Satan.

[Verite Garde]

Hello? Who cares about Sex and the City. This is a website for discussing Lost.

Don't make yourself look foolish and mind your place child. I was answering the anti semitic poster who asked a question. What's it to you?

[LostHackedTrojan7]

Desmond dude.....

Someonle else told that again, in 218. I think Henry to Hurley?

[beachbunnie88]

Who does Ana think she is telling Locke his visiting Henry was "not on the program"? This is Locke's hatch! :) I'm glad he told her he didn't care what she thought. Not an Ana hater, more a Locke fan.

Oh thanks for that -- was trying to do some cooking and didn't hear that!!!

[LostHackedTrojan7]

She did marry him......and they adopted a baby from China.

Yes, sorry...

[Xanadu]

I seem to recall reading that TPTB said people would probably not like the way the show ends.
I think this has a strong possibilty of all being in Hurley's head.
There is nothing in this season or last to say it isn't......that he just has a really good imagination.
The only thing I can think of that would seem to lean toward this would be that the food drop happened with out anyone hearing a plane.
It had to be airlifted in and no one heard anything.

And as Danielle said, H.G. would lie for a long time. So he is lying to Locke.

Think they meant you can't please all the people all the time? :) ..... As for me, I just don't want the show to end at all :)

[Xanadu]

Is it just me, or does Henry look less evil and just a little pathetic now? I almost feel sorry for him.

[sdunn96]

Well, like I said. There is no way to prove it is not in his head, but with no one hearing the supply drop.....that is one way to prove it is in his head. Perfect timing since he destroyed his stash.

[LostHackedTrojan7]

Well, like I said. There is no way to prove it is not in his head, but with no one hearing the supply drop.....that is one way to prove it is in his head. Perfect timing since he destroyed his stash.

Com'on... What about the picture then? How can this be explained? It is a proof.

[beachbunnie88]

PS Did anyone else think it was funny to plant a Gatorade commercial featuring a WILSON volleyball during LOST? No? Oh, OK. I guess you didn’t see “Castaway.” :)[/quote]

Didn't catch it, but GAWD -- That's great, lol, PERFECT!!!

[ILoveMyPiggies]

Thanks, guess i misheard when the psychiatrist began talking about Hurley's accident

[Verite Garde]

Originally Posted by DreaminLost
Hello? Who cares about and the City. This is a website for discussing Lost.

Yes, I agree. Thanks DL.Yes, I agree. Thanks DL.

Grow up. Someone asked about Dave, played by Harry Goldenblatt, and where they had seen him before.

[turnip head]

I rewatched the parts where they are in the Institution. There were celery sticks on the table where they were playing Connect Four. In the photo that the doctor shows Hurley, it looks like there is a piece of cake on the table in front of him. I froze it, and walked up to the tv and it still looked like cake and not celery. It was regular tv (the HD DVR is not cooperating), but if someone has a screen cap of the Polaroid it may help.

Also I could just be seeeing cake because I am hungry:coffeedunk:

[Without Dane]

sDunn.... the show does not take place in Hurley's head. Let's move on.

[Verite Garde]

Quote:
Originally Posted by magnoliasouth
Okay so if the button doesn't do anything, then why does the map indicate that there was an incident just like Dr. Candle said? Any thoughts?
I'm not so sure nothing happened. It could set in motion a series of events that are as yet undiscovered or unnoticed by the Losties.

Just wait...

Do you really trust anything Henry says? Especially to Locke? I don't. Henry is diliberate in his every move.

My question is the fear that all have, even the shaved bearded fellow, of "HIM". Terror in fact.

It's reminding more and more of the Wizard of Oz. The man behind the curtain and all.

[ILoveMyPiggies]

Is it just me, or does Henry look less evil and just a little pathetic now? I almost feel sorry for him.
Nah, if anything for me Henry looks more evil after this episode. It's almost like he's putting a show with Sayid and co. and claiming to still be an innocent person in this whole thing but when he's alone with Locke he knows EXACTLY what to say to him to mess with his mind.

[beachbunnie88]

Next week's episode should be interesting... maybe someone on that damn island will finally get some action, what with Kate and Jack out in the jungle on their own... not a big Jate fan but at this point I'll take whatever I can get.[/quote]

Please, please, please, don't merge Kate and Jack's name like all the media hype with real stars -- it really is annoying

[LostHackedTrojan7]

I rewatched the parts where they are in the Institution. There were celery sticks on the table where they were playing Connect Four. In the photo that the doctor shows Hurley, it looks like there is a piece of cake on the table in front of him. I froze it, and walked up to the tv and it still looked like cake and not celery. It was regular tv (the HD DVR is not cooperating), but if someone has a screen cap of the Polaroid it may help.

Also I could just be seeeing cake because I am hungry:coffeedunk:

How did you rewatch it?

[magnoliasouth]

Do you really trust anything Henry says? Especially to Locke? I never said that I believed him and in fact I don't.

[athena]

If we assume that the show isn't happening in Hurley's head, then I think we have to ask why Dave is showing up now. We know that Hurley did have a "breakthrough" and realized that Dave was just imaginary. What would make Dave reappear again, and why now?

[jaylaw81]

any updates on what the word is that is in the water near the cliff?

[turnip head]

I watched it on my new sd dvr, because I discoverd one dvr was not enough!

(especially when the HD one is so temperamental. (sp?)

[LostHackedTrojan7]

If we assume that the show isn't happening in Hurley's head, then I think we have to ask why Dave is showing up now. We know that Hurley did have a "breakthrough" and realized that Dave was just imaginary. What would make Dave reappear again, and why now?

The show is not happening in Hurley's head, it is not a dream of Walt's, and
it is not a dream of anyone's!

[Diamondduste]

If we assume that the show isn't happening in Hurley's head, then I think we have to ask why Dave is showing up now. We know that Hurley did have a "breakthrough" and realized that Dave was just imaginary. What would make Dave reappear again, and why now?

What would make Kate's horse appear to not only her but Sawyer as well? :)

[melissa]

If we assume that the show isn't happening in Hurley's head, then I think we have to ask why Dave is showing up now. We know that Hurley did have a "breakthrough" and realized that Dave was just imaginary. What would make Dave reappear again, and why now?

Because he had another breakthrough on the island: Libby convinced him to get rid of his stash of food... but then the huge crate of new food showed up, and the losties wanted Hurley to ration it out again, and he didn't think he could overcome the temptation again, and that's when Dave showed up.

[Xanadu]

Odd Sightings:
Jack sees his dead father
Kate sees "her?" old horse
Hurley sees his imaginary friend

Odd Visions:
Boone's prehistoric bird attack
Walt's polar bear attack
Charlie's beach dream

Who's going to see what next???????

[Vendicare]

The words in the water are great, but I need some help with a shot.

When they do a pull-back of Hurley in the clearing just before he finds the Dharma Fish Crackers, it looked to me that he was standing in a giant footprint.

Of course, I could just be high. Anyone got a screen cap?

[athena]

I guess my question is this: Dave could be appearing because of two things: either this is some kind of "trick" by the island to do something to Hurley, OR Dave is a figment of Hurley's imagination that is being brought about by something that has put him in the same state of mind that he was in while at the mental hospital. If Dave is an island trick, why would the island want to trick/cause harm to Hurley by encouraging him to jump off of a cliff? If Dave is due to Hurley's own mind/sickness, what is happening to him that would bring it about?

Thanks Melissa -- your answer makes sense.

[Diamondduste]

I guess my question is this: Dave could be appearing because of two things: either this is some kind of "trick" by the island to do something to Hurley, OR Dave is a figment of Hurley's imagination that is being brought about by something that has put him in the same state of mind that he was in while at the mental hospital. If Dave is an island trick, why would the island want to trick/cause harm to Hurley by encouraging him to jump off of a cliff? If Dave is due to Hurley's own mind/sickness, what is happening to him that would bring it about?

Because he was basically having a panic attack after destroying his food stash, only to see more food had arrived. Food for Hurley is a source of bad things.

[devotdsatellite]

so for those who are interested:

the drug hurley asks for is clonazepam also known as klonopin.

its great for anxiety, and pretty much just calms you.
people take it before surgery, for anxiety, for depression, etc. it can be an antipsychotic in higher doses. does anyone have a hi-res photo of the pills? id be interested to see what dosage he was taking. they looked to me like 2 .25 mg pills which would be a relatively small dose.
the dosage can vary widely bn .25 mg and 3 mg is what i have typically seen.

i take this myself which is how i know about it when i have anxiety attacks.

[DontDrinktheWater]

When they do a pull-back of Hurley in the clearing just before he finds the Dharma Fish Crackers, it looked to me that he was standing in a giant footprint.

Of course, I could just be high. Anyone got a screen cap?

I read something from someone awhile back in which they pointed out that these characters seem to trip a lot when something major is happening. Possibly there are some things hidden by the brush.

[BujuPhunk]

Did "dave" say hanso on the photo op? ...

I just rewatched that and he DID say Hanso

[kirjava]

If we assume that the show isn't happening in Hurley's head, then I think we have to ask why Dave is showing up now. We know that Hurley did have a "breakthrough" and realized that Dave was just imaginary. What would make Dave reappear again, and why now?

I think because while Hurley was indulging himself, his brain had no reason for Dave, but when he finally gave up his addiction to food and started to change, the part of him that wanted to eat was manifested in Dave again.

However, I think it's odd that this Dave wanted him to commit suicide this time, it seems pretty extreme.

When they do a pull-back of Hurley in the clearing just before he finds the Dharma Fish Crackers, it looked to me that he was standing in a giant footprint.

Of course, I could just be high. Anyone got a screen cap?


My first impression was that is was the indentation from the crate, I guess the losties took the wood and used it, and the fish crackers were left behind from the frenzy.

[Lostraveler9]

[quote=Vendicare]The words in the water are great, but I need some help with a shot.

When they do a pull-back of Hurley in the clearing just before he finds the Dharma Fish Crackers, it looked to me that he was standing in a giant footprint.

Of course, I could just be high. Anyone got a screen cap?[/quote

Thats not a footprint. It were the impression in the grass from the large FOOD DROP!

[123 Blink]

Oh yeah did they just mislead us in the previews of hurley almost falling of the cliff?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. In last week's previews, it showed Hurley falling backwards off the cliff, but it was really Dave.

[Lost=Crack]

OMG my DVR DIDNT record the whole thing!!!! It ended with hurley saying I recognized u from somewhere and then that was it! A little help would be nice can comeone fill me in????

[Bishop]

I rewatched the parts where they are in the Institution. There were celery sticks on the table where they were playing Connect Four. In the photo that the doctor shows Hurley, it looks like there is a piece of cake on the table in front of him. I froze it, and walked up to the tv and it still looked like cake and not celery. It was regular tv (the HD DVR is not cooperating), but if someone has a screen cap of the Polaroid it may help.

Also I could just be seeeing cake because I am hungry:coffeedunk:


Pictures of the poloroid and actual screen capture can be found here.

http://com3.runboard.com/bprotocol21.flost.t4

[PandoraX]

lostcrack, read the insider scoop in spoilers... it'll give u a good summary

[ILoveMyPiggies]

so for those who are interested:

the drug hurley asks for is clonazepam also known as klonopin.

its great for anxiety, and pretty much just calms you.
people take it before surgery, for anxiety, for depression, etc. it can be an antipsychotic in higher doses. does anyone have a hi-res photo of the pills? id be interested to see what dosage he was taking. they looked to me like 2 .25 mg pills which would be a relatively small dose.
the dosage can vary widely bn .25 mg and 3 mg is what i have typically seen.

i take this myself which is how i know about it when i have anxiety attacks.
My boyfriend was watching the episode with me and he's a pharmacy tech. He mentioned that clonazepam at higher dosages is used as a sleep aid and that one of the side effects is that it can possibly cause hallucinations. Dunno if this helps or anything....

[Hayswj]

The words in the water are great, but I need some help with a shot.

When they do a pull-back of Hurley in the clearing just before he finds the Dharma Fish Crackers, it looked to me that he was standing in a giant footprint.

Of course, I could just be high. Anyone got a screen cap?

I was the place where the food drop was.

[Vendicare]

Thank you for the fill in about my "footprint".

My husband is studying the "words in the water" right now.

[beachbunnie88]

The previews for the Canadian feed was different than the USA feed again this week.

... that locke lets the timer run down so that he can get another look at the map at which is trying to draw a copy of.

Thanks for the Canadian Preview spoiler, does anyone happen to know the link to the Canadian previews? I know the American one, but already see that one, lol

[jaylaw81]

in that screen cap of the cliff there are words in the side of the cliff as well..cant make them out though

[Vendicare]

Have we seen the doll with no eyes before? It is shown in the preview right before Jack and Kate in the net.

[salem2005]

Pictures of the poloroid and actual screen capture can be found here.

http://com3.runboard.com/bprotocol21.flost.t4

So, the question is, was this just another continuity error by the production team...or does it mean something? I hate when this happens because you just don't know if it was a screw up or meant to be there!

[Merina]

THere are more differences between the shot of Hurley & Dave getting their picture taken, and the resulting polaroid, than just the disappearance of Dave. take a look w/ Bishop's link up above

[Hypatia]

I just rewatched that and he DID say Hanso
He didn't say Hanso. He said "queso". You know, Spanish for cheese.

(Plus, I watch TV with the captioning on and the captioning concurred.)

[wickedsweet]

I hate myself for having visited spoilers before this episode.

Chinamom: Moment of suspension: would Hurley be allowed to have the belt to his robe in a mental ward?

[sultancillo]

I just rewatched that and he DID say Hanso

Spanish speaker here, he didnt say Hanso he said "Quesoooo" (Cheese in spanish) he said a lot of words and phrases in spanish (Noche de Tacos!, Vámonos!) , as to reflect Hurley's Latin heritage

[123 Blink]

ok.....who saw the whole Dave imaginary friend thing coming?
libby, however, blew me away. What does that mean?

I think it gives some credibility to Libby when she says to Hurley that she understands how he feels. I mean, she's been where he's been. Could also be why they are drawn to each other, on a subconcious level maybe.

[BlackSableBeemer]

so in the photo the dr took - it's dark and no one is in the background,...

how long have those "newer" $20 bills been around?

[Shona is lost]

yeah this one looks great!!!

[jhammar007]

Pictures of the poloroid and actual screen capture can be found here.

http://com3.runboard.com/bprotocol21.flost.t4
For those that have looked at these caps, did anybody else notice some glaring differences between the Hurley/Dave pose and the actual photo?

To name a few:
The celery is arranged differently.
The checkers and pill container are placed at different distances from the celery plate.
Apparently it's night in the photo but daytime in the Hurley/Dave pose.
What happened to the man sitting behind Hurley and Dave in the photo?With a lot of other shows, I'd write these mistakes off as poor editors/continuity people . . . but not Lost. These differences seem almost purposeful.

[123 Blink]

she obviously recognizes hurley..was starting right at him. Wonder when he'll find out...

She looked pretty doped up to me. I doubt that she would recognize him.

[radiohead]

i'm thinking it's just the fact that they didn't want to waste their time photoshopping a picture taken of dave and hurley. that's why there are a few subtle differences in the polaroid vs. original pov.

... flash makes most backgrounds darker than foreground. and there's the dude in the back if u look.

[elks77]

Pictures of the poloroid and actual screen capture can be found here.

http://com3.runboard.com/bprotocol21.flost.t4


the screen cap and the photo taken by the dr. of hurley are definitely
not the same. the checkers are not in the same position and the
celery looks different.

what is up with this??

[bearofacoincidence]

Hurley's perspective is flawed since he's seeing imaginary people. So then since we're seeing his story through his perspective, perhaps he remembers it being different than it actually was. Thus, explaining the discontinuities between the two pictures. Or maybe Hurley is just another Dharma Guinea Pig fooled by a controlled experience set up by Dharma in the past in which Dave is real in his flashbacks and on the island when he sees him. But I think the first is more likely.

[ILoveMyPiggies]

I know this may seem like a really simple reason, but couldn't the differences just be due to a difference in the camera (TV) angle and the camera (polaroid) angle? Also, didn't the camera flash, that could account for why its darker in the background.

[clarkestep]

I haven't seen it posted yet, but did anyone else find it odd that Libby and Hurley could be making all that noise destroying all that food and there was a group of people really nearby with the other food who didn't hear them? Or that some of them even passed H and L and didn't even notice the mess they made?

[beachbunnie88]

Hello? Who cares about Sex and the City. This is a website for discussing Lost.:yeah::yeah::yeah:

Can't get these emoticons to move down but YEAH!!!

[clarkestep]

Did anyone else notice the weird look Libby had on her face after she and Hurley were walking away together after she talked him out of jumping?

[Without Dane]

Yes. I don't think the look Libby had at the end of tonight's episode was "doped up" as much as it was an obsessive stare at Hurley... makes alot of sense that she would revert back to psychotic Libby after finally kissing him.

[inertiaman]

Yes, the look on Libby's face was creepy.

[nbrendal]

Did anyone else notice the weird look Libby had on her face after she and Hurley were walking away together after she talked him out of jumping?

yes, she had a very disgusted look on her face...interesting..

[WhateverTheCaseMayBe]

Somebody mentioned an eyeless doll in the preview -- I watched the preview again, but couldn't tell for sure if the doll was eyeless. As for "Have we seen it somewhere before?" I don't think so, but it reminded me of those dolls Jack found way back in White Rabbit, when he first discovered the caves.

[typingmonkey]

Did anyone else notice the weird look Libby had on her face after she and Hurley were walking away together after she talked him out of jumping?

Absolutely, she had a dark/troubled/hiding something look. But then again, she's looney! Unless she's a plant. Or she could be both! Or neither. But her hair looks great for having not brushed it in a couple of months. It was a darker shade, and much messier, in the asylum. I think the Others sneak in late at night and touch up all the islanders' roots and highlights!

What does it all MEAN?

[*Saint*]

Well, LOST is only 20 minutes into this episode and I already have questions (and boy is it tough to try not to read any posts that might spoil things...)

We just received major confirmation that Henry is indeed an OTHER.
"He'll kill me!"
AL: Who the man in the beard?
henry: Him? (can't remember what he says but it's like "him? he isn't in charge)
Sayid: how many are there?

Why are they so fearful? Of whom? Alvar Hanso? Degroot?? Again the repeats of "I am not a bad person" reminescent of "good" vs "bad." Where do the "bad" ones go?

I can't wait to see the rest of the episode!!

[Virtualball]

Hi, first post. Did anyone notice that the cliffs also said something, i took them into photoshop and came up with some letters...

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8645/lost0ft.jpg

I have no clue if they are real, but they sure looked like it..all i can say is :ImLost: lol c ya

[Bishop]

If ya scroll to the bottom of this page you will find some Lost system sounds I just banged out...enjoy folks.

http://com3.runboard.com/bprotocol21.flost.t4

[Virtualball]

Also, did anyone notice the simmalarities between these quotes:

"..a large sound, like a huge magnet" - Fake Henry
and
"Geological composition likely to cause magnetic interference with weather project" - Blast Door

There are no coincidences in lost, i think

[123 Blink]

Anyone else start cracking up at the grins on the Losties faces as they stood around and watched Hurley beat the everlivin' snot outta Sawyer? I love Sawyer, but that was hysterical.

I thought it was good comic relief to see Hurley beat Sawyer up too--But I think Sawyer deserved every punch. Man, did you see the look on Hurley's face after Sawyer joked about seeing Dave behind him? That was a look of pain, like a knife had just been thrust into his heart. He had just confided something very personal to Sawyer (something he wouldn't even tell Libby about yet) and Sawyer made a joke about it. I hate it when people are insensitive like that.

[lharnish]

I thought the interrogation of "Henry" by Sayid and Anna smelled like the old "Good Cop/Bad Cop" routine. But Anna left the room and didn't try to get any more info out of him. Perhaps they will return next week.

Agree with you. Bad Cop (Sayid)/Good Cop (Ana). They totally planned that, with Ana "saving" NotGale at the last moment from the gunshot. They're softening him up for more questioning later on. Gotta give him more time to think on what a "nice" thing Ana did for him. After all, so far, NotGale's got no real issue with Ana (that he knows about - he doesn't know what she's been through). Of course, this doesn't mean she's turned into Miss Sweetness'n'Light. Maybe it's more like "Bad cop/not quite as bad cop".

[Go Blue]

They're all on the plane and all having the same dream, at the same time, in an experiment conducted by Dharma.

Proof:

- The Turn the Screw book
- Henry Gale mentioning that "G-d doesn't know we're here. He knows about this place as much as everyone else does" (or something like that)
- Dave mentioning that it all takes place in Hurley's head.


Also Libby could be an other, she was staring at Hurley in the mental institution and Hurley is probably the most connected to the Island - related to the numbers.

[PandoraX]

I hate myself for having visited spoilers before this episode.

Chinamom: Moment of suspension: would Hurley be allowed to have the belt to his robe in a mental ward?

Honestly, not most of the ones I know, when you're initially admited. But once you are in for a while, they have different levels of security and restriction. Some are more "free range" than others, and if the patients are not suicidal or violent, it's possible. It's not like prison security, where they strip you of anything potentially harmful. There's a layer of trust we try to give patients until they break the "contract".

Was anyone able to grab screencaps of Dave's wrist tattoo?

[Silicon Jedi]

He's Destro to Alvar Hanso's Cobra Commander.

No, no, no did you even WATCH G.I. Joe...

Destro wasn't CC's lackey he was a semi-autonomous agent. He wasn't even officially part of COBRA. Zeke is much more, say... Starscream to Hanso's Megatron.

Hell, DeGroot makes a good Destro to Hanso's CC. Karen Degroot gets to be the Baroness...

I better stop before I start making allegories between the losties and GI Joe...

[llywrch]

Dave's not here, man.

I guess he really didn't have the stuff after all.

Geoff

[Amelia Earhart]

I thought the interrogation of "Henry" by Sayid and Anna smelled like the old "Good Cop/Bad Cop" routine. But Anna left the room and didn't try to get any more info out of him. Perhaps they will return next week.

Totally !!!!!!!!!!!

Hurley has killed does this make him ''Bad" and not "Good ?????????????? :detective

Dynamo episode !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lostmio]

glaring differences between the Hurley/Dave pose and the actual photo?
To name a few:
The celery is arranged differently.
The checkers and pill container are placed at different distances from the celery plate.
Apparently it's night in the photo but daytime in the Hurley/Dave pose.
What happened to the man sitting behind Hurley and Dave in the photo?With .

Anyone who's used cheaper polaroids knows that indoor shots with flash can cause dark backgrounds.

The man is behind them in both the cap and the pic. You have to look closely because the angle & distances of the shot are so different. The cup's about in the same place, accounting for the angle difference. The celery and checkers are different, but that that's no biggie.
The only way I could imagine photoshopping a polaroid would be to scan it in, edit it, print it, then take a new polaroid of the printed edited scan.

What would be the point of doing that to convince Hurley that Dave is fake, then have Dave show up on the island and again convince Hurley he's fake, then plunge backwards off the cliff?

[Son of Locke]

They're all on the plane and all having the same dream, at the same time, in an experiment conducted by Dharma.

Proof:

- The Turn the Screw book
- Henry Gale mentioning that "G-d doesn't know we're here. He knows about this place as much as everyone else does" (or something like that)
- Dave mentioning that it all takes place in Hurley's head.


Also Libby could be an other, she was staring at Hurley in the mental institution and Hurley is probably the most connected to the Island - related to the numbers.
Go Blue, welcome. Or welcome to posting after long-time lurking. Nice evidence. You've been reading and listening. Or someone very recently mentioned the Turn...

Anyway, I sat on my first jury today, and the thing I remember most is that the evidence is most important, but it doesn't speak for itself. Opening and Closing arguments are there for just that reason--to explain exactly what the evidence shows us. So just before the whole "QED" slam dunk, what do you mean by all that? Isn't that a little bit like "The Matrix Does Dallas?"