Why was Sayid on the plane? [Archive]

SayidFan

01-29-05, 08:26 PM

Where does it even sat that Sayid worked for the Iraqi insurgency? I'm interested to know, I want to know if this was stated in the show or some anti-Sayid person made it up because it sounded good.:rolleyes >:

The Republican Guard is different from the insurgents that are causing all the trouble in the real world today. But todays insurgents are made up of a SMALL number of ex Iraqi military. Just wondering if it was ever stated on the show and if it was where? No matter I still and always will absolutely adore Sayid.:p

I forgot I made up Sayid with the insurgency for my Fan fic to explain the time difference from when the Republican Guard fell in April, 2003. I am most definately a pro Sayid person. But I also do research for my stories so they seem real. I guess it worked.:\

Cassis1

01-29-05, 10:09 PM

I find it hard to believe that if Sayid was part of a terrorist plot he would be volunteering to all and sundry that he's an Iraqi from Tikrit who served in the Republican Guard. Although that too could somehow be part of his nefarious plan....

However, since that was also my reasoning for why he wouldn't have committed war crimes, and I was way off there, perhaps this isn't a strong argument. :rolleyes

My guess is that it has something to do with Nadia; perhaps he is searching for her, which would explain his having the photos at hand.

<bitter> Unfortunately, since there doesn't seem to be a second Sayid backstory episode for this season, it appears we may never find out. </bitter>

Potterhead360

01-29-05, 10:30 PM

kadeskiss

01-30-05, 01:03 AM

That the point! while everyone have had backstorys telling a little bit about themselves leading up to them being on the plane, and why they were on the plane...Sayid flashback does not. it's really do not tell us much about him. The big question is "why?' ..how come everyone else gets a flashback, than deal with there life and personal issues, but Sayid's . his only deal with his time in Iraq. Kate had two flashback, Jack had two, going on three, Locke will have two, Charlie will have two, and Sawyer will have two, and Hurley will have his first flashback, but nothing is schedule for Sayid. Even Boone and Shannon told why they were on the plane..

So why do you " Think" Sayid was on the plane, since we are not going to get a answer.

also are you sure, Sayid was actually on the plane? the only one who said he was, ..was Sawyer, who is prone to lying..after all he also said that Sayid was in cuffs, ( it was Kate who was in cuffs) and said that Sayid was the one who crash the plane. so can we really believe him. was he spotted on the plane?

scatcat67

01-30-05, 02:32 AM

After seeing the backstory, I was wondering too, why would they let an ex-RG in the US? Unless he had some special okay from the government, he's a possible terrorist risk. on paper, because sayid would never do anything like blow up a plane because he hates the US.:(

SayidFan

01-30-05, 02:44 AM

OK guys. I am a huge supporter of research. And Since I was in the real world military I can say that if Sayid would want to come into the US and be law abiding, he could. BUT, first Homeland security would be alerted that he was coming in. They would be at the airport to meet him. They would take him into custody, question him about his RECENT KNOWLEDGE of terrorist activiy. When they were satisfied that he was not a security threat, they would let him go. BUT they would watch his comings and goings almost constantly. He would not be allowed on any military instillation at any time.

scatcat67

01-30-05, 02:51 AM

makes you wonder though, if he was looking for nadia, what are the odds he would find her in the US? From the ep, looks like she was hardcore freedom fighter. I find it hard to believe she would leave. I wonder if he did give up on her and that was a big part of his guilt.

Potterhead360

01-30-05, 03:17 AM

Maybe thats the point, something big happened before he got on the plane, something worthy of it's own flashback ep??? IDK what it would be though. Sayid was on the plane, he was on the registry Hurley had

Cassis1

01-30-05, 05:24 PM

Re the manifest: That raises the question of what name Sayid was traveling under, and the old problem of his passport. Is he just bopping around the world on an Iraqi passport? That can't be too easy. But apparently his real name was on the manifest, because Hurley didn't note any discrepancy.

I just had this thought in another topic but I thought I'd throw it out here. Maybe Hodgepodge is right or TPTB are going to try to make us think that she/he (sorry, HP!) is right: one the season-ending cliffhangers will be evidence (or "evidence") that Sayid is a terrorist and/or sabotaged the plane, and we'll have to wait till next season to find out whether he's guilty. :eek That at least would be an explanation for why we aren't getting a second flashback eppy.

kadeskiss

01-30-05, 05:56 PM

Re the manifest: That raises the question of what name Sayid was traveling under, and the old problem of his passport. Is he just bopping around the world on an Iraqi passport? That can't be too easy. But apparently his real name was on the manifest, because Hurley didn't note any discrepancy.

True, he might have been on listed on the manifest, but we do not know if that was his real name, or an a "alias" he is using, since we know that sawyer real name is not Sawyer.
Sawyer also said that he saw them pull Sayid out of line, and that Sayid was the one in hand cuff, and that is why his hands were cover..so , while I believe Sawyer to be lying, he also could have been telling the truth, considering there is so little we know about Sayid.

SayidFan

01-30-05, 07:45 PM

If Sayid was in hand cuffs on the plane, who was there with him? How did he get out of the cuffs? No I don't think he was in cuffs. Again it askes more questions then it answers. I believe that Nadia would be the one to join the Iraqi insurgents, not Sayid. He might go there to look for her, but not join them.

Hodgepodge

02-01-05, 01:19 AM

I need to explain something. I took the initial question as speculation. Like all of us, I have know actual knowledge why Sayid was on the plane to Los Angeles. My first post in this thread was actually a joke, but if I offended anyone, I apologize hold-heartedly.

azteclady

02-01-05, 02:25 PM

This is just speculation from me, though I believe it was discussed somewhere, by someone, earlier: could it be that Sayid has colaborated with the US at some point, and has therefore been granted some sort of special visa/privileges? For all we don't know, he could even be a legal resident of the US at this point in time, and so he would have been on the plane going back "home." (SayidFan, I didn't do research on this, so feel free to shot it down!:D )

The one thing I can say with a degree of certainty is that being a legal resident of the US, or even being a US citizen wouldn't have prevented Sayid from being taken aside and questioned before boarding the plane in Sydnay. Racial profiling happens, because the people doing the security checks are human and have their own set of biases and prejudices, and mistrust of Middle Eastern people and Arabs is a reality.

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i am so lost 386

02-21-05, 04:15 PM

To "scatcat67":

<if he was looking for nadia, what are the odds he would find her in the US?>

He won't. Nadia is dead remember? Omar said that if Sayid didn't kill her, he would. And he most likely did. When those people say they will do something, they MEAN it. They don't mess around.

And even if Sayid felt sorry for her, we know for sure that Omar didn't! Nadia worked for the resistance, remember? That made her a terrorist in his eyes. Also, he knew that Sayid was close to Nadia and that they were friends. That's why he gave Sayid the order to kill her. He wanted to test Sayid and see just how far he could push him (and it was a way to eliminate Nadia).

PS: you know the photos that Sayid has of Nadia. There are pictures of them, but I can't find them. You know where they are?

azteclady

02-21-05, 09:43 PM

i am so lost, you seem to forget that Sayid shot and killed Omar before engineering Nadia's escape.

So, if Nadia was able to get in the truck and hide through the search points, she could still be alive - the whole point is that we the audience don't know one way or another.

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FoxPoet

02-25-05, 03:52 PM

I dont thinkhe was a terrorist. Remember how much he hated being a part of the Guard when he was supposed to have killed that girl? I dont believe he'd try to help those he opposed. Maybe he was trying to escape them?

That does have a point to it. Maybe he was trying to escape. But didn't the writers say that everyone is connected some how? What would be his connection and to who?

azuranz

02-26-05, 09:54 AM

err he's not a terrorist. jesus christ.

also he didnt' kill omar. Shot him on the left. Omar probably survived.

devenish

02-26-05, 05:24 PM

really? i thought omar died, I didnt really pay attention to where sayid shot him, but sayid will be in big trouble if omar is alive

kadeskiss

02-26-05, 05:58 PM

also he didnt' kill omar. Shot him on the left. Omar probably survived.

But if Omar did survived, he would have told that Sayid allowed Nadia to escape. and shot him. Sayid would have than have been court marshel......

maybe they all the surviors were dead, before they got on the plane. like the plane is really a death plane, transporting them to their finale resting place.

azuranz

02-26-05, 09:15 PM

na g.

Omar looked down for a second to pull his gun. Then Sayid shotim. Probably wouldn't even have seen who shot him.

hotthunder

02-27-05, 06:47 PM

If they pulled him out of line and found him to be suspicious, they would NOT just put handcuffs on him and put him back on the plane. At the very least, he would have been in interrogation too long to be able to make his flight. They would have had to do the basic search/question thing only if he were to make the flight time, which he obviously did since Sawyer saw him in both places.

azteclady

02-28-05, 04:12 PM

Cassis1

02-28-05, 04:26 PM

azuranz, even if Omar didn't see who shot him, there were only three people in that corridor at the time: Sayid, Nadia and Omar. Of these, only Sayid and Omar were armed, and Omar was already suspicious - that's why he stopped and why he was going for his gun. If he survived, odds are he would have made sure Sayid didn't live much longer - I hear court martials in Saddam's time were swift.

Since Sayid is indeed alive and outside of Iraq before this last war, I believe we can safely assume Omar was dead pretty much instantaneously.

Well, Sayid's story was that Nadia stole the gun and shot both him and Omar. Omar and Sayid were friends; if Omar didn't actually see who fired, he might be inclined to believe Sayid's version rather than that his friend would shoot him.

On the other hand, I can't think that Sayid would be much better off if he was the guy who let a little slip of a starved torture victim steal his weapon and shoot both him and his superior officer. Even if he wasn't court-martialed, his fate wouldn't have been fun.

azteclady

02-28-05, 04:40 PM

Cassis said:
"Sayid's story was that Nadia stole the gun and shot both him and Omar."

Yes, Cassis, but Sayid's story would only work if Omar was dead. And if Omar was dead, Sayid could have exchanged his gun with Omar's, making it seem that Nadia somehow tricked Omar, got his gun, and then shot both Omar and Sayid with it. Still not a position I would like to be in, but much better than the one in which Omar is alive and can contradict me, you know?

As far as Omar not knowing who shot him, I honestly doubt he would believe Sayid if the latter denied being the shooter. Think about the scene: when Omar approaches, Sayid and Nadia are alone in the corridor. This is clearly not standard procedure, which is why Omar is suspicious. Checking spooky's transcripts (http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Solitary_Lost.htm), you can see that there's no going back for Sayid even before he shots Omar.

Beto
what I said above

changes

03-03-05, 08:02 PM

Sayid will live only if Omar was dead (under the normal circumstances) .... ask me ;-)

there is allot of things that you don't know or you just forgot!

First we as Iraqis we can not travel any way even now after Saddam is away "Thanks God".

take me as example .. we (99,99%) live out side Iraq as a Political/Humanity refugees.

so it can be that he went to Aust. to be a refugee and his case got refused so as usual with such cases the police took Sayid to the airport and send him back to the country that he came from.

or

some of the refugees spend some time in refugees camp in Saudi Arabia and the UN help them to get place, allot get places in Aust., Europe, USA.

I'm not sure about his story .. but I like to open some new doors for you to think more about ;-)

nice site by the way

We as Iraqis really happy that atlast they show smart Iraqi as Sayid (not perfect but normal guy) .. and not as stupid terrorists, it was really sad for us that they show us in this way.

thank you all

Hodgepodge

03-03-05, 10:46 PM

changes says:
...We as Iraqis really happy that atlast they show smart Iraqi as Sayid (not perfect but normal guy) .. and not as stupid terrorists, it was really sad for us that they show us in this way.
Changes, may I be the first to welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy your stay. If I understand your post correctly, you're from Iraq? I'm sure you're going to be able to offer a lot of background into Sayid's character.

I already appreciate your insights into why Sayid was in Australia, and why he may've been on his way to America. If I'm not mistaken, he's the only character left with no reason to be in those two places. Also, what are your feelings about his relationship with Shannon?

hotthunder

03-04-05, 12:29 AM

Welcome! It's nice to have you here!

Sayid will live only if Omar was dead (under the normal circumstances) .... ask me ;-)

Please explain about Sayid living only if Omar is dead. Without knowing how the Republican Guard works it's hard for us to understand just what consequences Sayid faced.

First we as Iraqis we can not travel any way even now after Saddam is away

so it can be that he went to Aust. to be a refugee and his case got refused so as usual with such cases the police took Sayid to the airport and send him back to the country that he came from.

or

some of the refugees spend some time in refugees camp in Saudi Arabia and the UN help them to get place, allot get places in Aust., Europe, USA.

Would Sayid have been able to travel as a refugee from Australia to the United States? Or if he was refused admittance, would they have just put him on the plane, or would he have had an escort? You say he would have been sent back to the country he came from; would that be Iraq or the place he went to as a refugee?

I hope you don't mind sharing with us. We can guess all we want about life in Iraq, but without understanding the reality we cannot know what is the true situation. Thank you!

moonshadow707

03-04-05, 11:31 AM

Welcome, changes!

Even if Sayid's story about how Nadia escaped was believed, it's hard to imagine there wouldn't have been some not-very-pleasant consequences for him.

Would he have been allowed to leave the Republican Guard, or would escape have been necessary?

Also, what country are you now in? (if you don't mind telling us)

changes

03-04-05, 12:29 PM

Hello ..

thank you all for the nice welcome

Yes I'm Iraqi, and I live/work/study for more than 6 years now in Norway.

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what are your feelings about his relationship with Shannon?

We Iraqis are very sensitive and very passion,
when we love, we love as much as we can even if it will cost us our life , and when we hate, we are really crazy... lol

about his relationship with Shannon, he may just got in love with here, or he try to find the nice soft person beside him, specially with his rough background.

it can be that he miss Nadia and he find Shannon as a comfort for him, some times we forgot our past when we are in deep love/passion.

but as I see him he is not sure about his relation ship with Shannon.

And if you ask about the his believe and all the Iraqi tradition things,

there is allot of Iraqis married with non-Iraqi (most from EU and US because they study there),
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Please explain about Sayid living only if Omar is dead. Without knowing how the Republican Guard works it's hard for us to understand just what consequences Sayid faced.

Simple he will be dead along with all his family and some his CLAN and relative and even the neighbours in some cases

in the other case we have in Iraq the CLAN thing, and it is very strong relationship between relatives (in most case stronger than the country low) in some parts in Iraq .. and TIKRIT is one of the places.
so it can be that his CLAN helped him to run out.

There is allot of possibilities in his case, and it depend how the writer know the Iraqi society and the environment that Sayid came from.

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Would Sayid have been able to travel as a refugee from Australia to the United States? Or if he was refused admittance, would they have just put him on the plane, or would he have had an escort? You say he would have been sent back to the country he came from; would that be Iraq or the place he went to as a refugee?

Well in most cases they give his papers to the pilot of the airplane and there will be police waiting in the other airport (the pilot then give them his papers) .. any way he can not go any way when he is on the plane ;-)

they don't send back to Iraq, they know he will be killed, but they send him to the country that he was in before he went to Aust. for example (no one can go out direct from Iraq to any country that give the refugees resident).

some of us have to cross from Iraq to Sweden illegal by cars and/or walk all the way, or take small boats from Albania to Italy or from Indonesia to Aust./new Zealand.

going to this countries by airplane is not easy, allot got caught by airport police, some go through, but not that much.

allot of Iraqis died in this ways by freezing to death in the way or sinking in the ocean men women children and all that to get away from Saddam, we seek new life even if it will to take our life :-(

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Would he have been allowed to leave the Republican Guard, or would escape have been necessary?

It is not easy to leave the R.G. even the teachers and other type of work for the Government. there was low and punishment for people who try to leave there work.

so if he leave it , then he have to escape from Iraq fast.
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Again, thank you all for your nice welcome

and keep asking as much as you like, I'll try to explain as much as I can .. even it will not be easy for you to understand iraq some times, but it's better from nothing :-)

take care

Van Gogh 2001

03-04-05, 04:16 PM

Welcome Changes! I hope you will post often ...we all will learn a lot from your perspective. I think ONE OF THE BEST
things about LOST is that it shows an Iraqi in a positive light.
He is very human and not demonized in any way. That is why I think it will be unforgiveable if they kill off Sayid's character.... He is THE best character on the show.

Welcome!

squirlymonaghan

03-04-05, 06:14 PM

wow it will be nice to have the perspective of a real iraqi on this board instead of just guesses....you say you live in norway....so do you speak norwegian or do you mostly do things in other languages (I'm sorry if it sounds rude...I just love languages...and have had norwegian on my list of languages to learn for a while now...although my list keeps getting bigger as time moves on...:p )

anyways yeah...welcome to the board

edited to say: I didn't read the 6 years part....so I'm more curious as to how well you speak norwegian now...

Hodgepodge

03-04-05, 10:23 PM

Changes, your replies dated 03/04/05, were unbelievable. Your insight brings an added depth to the character of Sayid. You also picked up on the nuance in my question about his relationship with Shannon. I also feel this relationship will take time on Sayid's part. Although, I'm sure Shannon's not going to make it easy on him. If you get my drift?

Thanks again for answering our questions from an Iraqi point of view, and come by as often as possible.

SayidRocks

03-09-05, 11:19 AM

Isn't fun having all this speculation about a TV show?:rollin But we get really involved in this stuff, don't we?

I'm sure, or at least I'm hoping, that when Sayid's second episode rolls around we'll all get more answers. :\

As far as the getting pulled out of line, that happened to me when I left Orlando Florida bound for Las Vegas back in June of 2002. I was standing next to a girl that I knew from online, and we started to board, the next thing I know I'm pulled out of line. I still don't know why...'cause I don't think they racially profile curly haired women with brown eyes who are of Irish/French/Welsh descent...but who knows!:\

gail

devenish

03-11-05, 03:19 PM

yea I do hope we get more answers when sayid's episode airs
nice post changes,hope ya stick around

imasoutherngirl

03-17-05, 08:19 PM

I thought Sayid was supposed to kill Nadia. Instead he had some plan to make it seem like there was a struggle and she got away. But someone walked in and caught him. So he shot his commander (or whatever you call him) while Nadia escaped. I don't remember what happened after that. What DID happen?

Hodgepodge

03-17-05, 09:30 PM

imasoutherngirl asks:
I thought Sayid was supposed to kill Nadia. Instead he had some plan to make it seem like there was a struggle and she got away. But someone walked in and caught him. So he shot his commander (or whatever you call him) while Nadia escaped. I don't remember what happened after that. What DID happen?
Imasoutherngirl, if you haven't been welcomed to Lost-TV, let me be the first to say hi! I know you're going to enjoy your stay.

To answer your question, we have know idea. To date, we don't know whether Nadia escaped. But, according to Sayid, she's dead.

changes

03-17-05, 10:27 PM

Hello...

imasoutherngirl asked:I didn't read the 6 years part....so I'm more curious as to how well you speak Norwegian now...

well I know quite well as it's make me able to continue my study in Computer Eng. at the collage here in Norway :-)

Hodgepodge how did you know that Nadia is dead?

I mean did Sayid said this by himself?

Thank you all

Hodgepodge

03-17-05, 10:51 PM

changes asks:
Hodgepodge how did you know that Nadia is dead?
When Sayid is captured by Danielle, she asks him where was Nadia now, and he says she's dead. Although, we don't know when this occurred.

kuduk

03-18-05, 07:44 PM

Welcome changes! Great discussion! What I remember of the exchange between Sayid and Danielle was that, though he initially said she was dead (and something to the effect that it was his fault), he went on to say he had been hoping and searching for her but was coming to a belief that she must be dead. My impression was that he didn't actually know but that his lack of finding her made him presume that she probably was. Maybe the Australia and US trips were part of that search? If that is true, based on changes info, he might have to have some type of clearance to be able to travel relatively easily.
Also, from what I remember, Sawyer said Sayid kept his arms under a blanket the whole plane trip and, in addition to the fact that he was pulled out of the lineup for brief questioning, Sawyer assumed he was the one with the handcuffs on. Sawyer did not actually see him with handcuffs on.

kadeskiss

03-20-05, 05:03 AM

Sayid and Danielle was that, though he initially said she was dead (and something to the effect that it was his fault), he went on to say he had been hoping and searching for her but was coming to a belief that she must be dead. My impression was that he didn't actually know but that his lack of finding her made him presume that she probably was. Maybe the Australia and US trips were part of that search? If that is true, based on changes info, he might have to have some type of clearance to be able to travel relatively easily.
Also, from what I remember, Sawyer said Sayid kept his arms under a blanket the whole plane trip and, in addition to the fact that he was pulled out of the lineup for brief questioning, Sawyer assumed he was the one with the handcuffs on. Sawyer did not actually see him with handcuffs on.

we still haven't learn as to why Sayid was on the plane. maybe he was there searching for Nadia. I do not believe Sawyer saw Sayid at all. because Sayid wasn't the one with the handcuff. so who to say, he saw him at all.:rolleyes ...so who saw Sawyer on the plane?

Cassis1

03-21-05, 03:01 AM

What I remember of the exchange between Sayid and Danielle was that, though he initially said Nadia was dead (and something to the effect that it was his fault), he went on to say he had been hoping and searching for her but was coming to a belief that she must be dead. My impression was that he didn't actually know but that his lack of finding her made him presume that she probably was.

I got the impression that Sayid had been told she was dead but he couldn't keep from hoping otherwise. If Sayid was arrested for aiding Nadia's escape, I'm sure they'd have told him she was recaptured and executed. Remember the scene at the start of the flashback in which Sayid was torturing some poor unfortunate; Sayid told hiim that his compatriots had betrayed hiim but then casually admitted to Omar that the guy wasn't involved at all. So Sayid would mistrust anything that the authorities told him about Nadia's fate; he'd have to find out for himself.

Kilde

03-22-05, 08:48 AM

Hey guys! I am new here so please bear with me if I repeat things that have already been said...

Anyway back to the subject of this thread...
I read an interview with Naveen, in which he said how important for him was the fact that Sayid, the ex-Iraqi soldier comes to be a hero in this serries. So my guess is, Sayid will not come out to be a terrorist. I think you can scratch that from the list of possible reasons for him being on the plane.

azteclady

03-22-05, 12:57 PM

Welcome, Kilde!

I agree with you, though not for the same reasons, regarding the unlikelyhood of Sayid turning out to be a terrorist. This point of view, however, has the drawback of leaving the audience with a total blank as to how exactly he came to be in the plane. From that, wild speculations are to be expected!

Read around here and the other forums for all sorts of discussions on everything under the sun - I'm sure you'll find many places where you can contribute!

Beto
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EGlVM

04-01-05, 03:51 AM

I know!We havn't found out why he was on the plane yet! *pounds fist on desk and yelps from pain*

i am so lost 386

04-21-05, 10:39 PM

<i am so lost, you seem to forget that Sayid shot and killed Omar before engineering Nadia's escape.>

Yes, I remember now. But still, if those soldiers saw one of their prisoners running loose with a gun.... :eek let's just say that it wouldn't turn out good for the prisoner!!

Omar said that if Sayid didn't kill her, he would. And since he couldn't, somebody else most likely did. When those people say they will do something, they MEAN it. They don't mess around.

kadeskiss

04-22-05, 07:55 AM

I know!We havn't found out why he was on the plane yet! *pounds fist on desk and yelps from pain.

We will!:D we will finally find out "why" Sayid was on the plane . In the special episode called Lost: The Journey they will tell why each cast member was on the plane, and what they were doing before boarding. ;)

Cassis1

04-22-05, 02:26 PM

We will! we will finally find out "why" Sayid was on the plane . In the special episode called Lost: The Journey they will tell why each cast member was on the plane, and what they were doing before boarding.

Actually I don't think we do. That's a clip show that I think is only going to give some background on some characters (and I've heard conflicting reports on whether Sayid is even one of them).

HOWEVER...

The TV guide synopsis for "The Greater Good" says it "reveals the heartbreaking events that put Sayid on flight 815."

The entire synopsis can be found here, but be warned that it's full of spoilers:

www.thefuselage.com/threa...ic=14862.0 (http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=14862.0)

Heartbreaking? Poor baby! :(

Nevada IHJ

04-29-05, 03:35 PM

On the topic of him possibly being a refugee...

I know that we get a lot of them who somehow make their way to Indonesia and then come to Australia on boats. One thing that has been happening is that Australia has been looking to other countries to take some of the refugees we have had. I'm not sure what countries were on the list, but I know some have gone to New Zealand, others I think went to Canada...it's possible that he could be a refugee who was taken in by another country.

If you are leaving to go to another country from Australia, there is quite often a change over somewhere (usually Singapore, Bangkok, Hawaii etc), so it's possible he was intending to go elsewhere via LA.

Lost Iraqi

04-30-05, 10:30 AM

The Possibility of him being a refugee or immigrant is still high. He might just as Nevada said being a refugee transportet to another country. but it u remember from the Episode 14 (Special) , in the seen where the michael son was reading about birds and a brid craches into the window and die, michael wife was talking to her hasbend about a man with a immigration case. now that just might me Said!! not sure but just a possibility.

By the way I just want to say hi to everyone here. Me my self is Iraqi too, I think that Naveen is doing a great job though his arabic is aweful :P hehe

take care

Nevada IHJ

05-02-05, 01:15 PM

Just watched the Sayid episode again...trying to catch my flatmate up to where we're up to in Australia (they just showed episode 11), and I noticed that he mentioned that what happened with Nadia happened six years ago. An AWFUL lot could have happened between then and the plane crash, I'm guessing the new episode will show some more insight.

And to the Iraqis in the thread...is it normal for the name Sayid to be spelt that way when translated to English? I always thought it was Saeed. I'm curious even though it's trivial :)

Lost Iraqi

05-02-05, 04:29 PM

is it normal for the name Sayid to be spelt that way when translated to English?

Well yea it could be spelt as that! it is impossible to write the real name in english cause it contain letters that doesn´t have the english equivalent! you could write it as Sayid, Saeid, Sa´ed, and Sa3ed! the last one contains 3 which informally represent that letter, Which by the way called "ain".

kadeskiss

05-02-05, 04:49 PM

I noticed that he mentioned that what happened with Nadia happened six years ago. An AWFUL lot could have happened between then and the plane crash, I'm guessing the new episode will show some more insight.

..that what I mean...Sayid is the only character who flashback took place that far back...everone elses took place a while back , but led up to them getting on the plane. we know Boone was taking Shannon home, we know Micheal was taking walt to live with him,we know that Kate was being brought back by the Marshell, we know that Jack was bring his father 's body back to the states...but we do not know anything about Sayid!..:rolleyes

azteclady

05-02-05, 05:01 PM

kadeskiss, I beg to disagree with your post.

Jack's wedding flashback did not lead to him being on the plane - at least not immediately.

Kate's bank robbery flashback did not lead to her being on the plane - at least not immediately.

Locke's flashback with his biological mother and father did not lead to him being on the plane - at least not immeditely.

Yes, many among us can weave stories leading from the older flashbacks to the most recent flashbacks and explain how they tie with the end result (the character being on the plane). However, the fact that his first flashback happened further back than the others shown up before his doesn't make Sayid more or less intriguing in my eyes, not does it make his being in the plane more or less crucial.

kadeskiss

05-03-05, 07:25 AM

Jack's wedding flashback did not lead to him being on the plane - at least not immediately.

No, but Jack first flashback was of him taking his father back him, at the airport. so we know he was on the plane to bring his father back..the wedding flashback came much, much later.

Kate's bank robbery flashback did not lead to her being on the plane - at least not immediately

No, but we know she was on the plane because she commited a crime, and the Marshell was taking her back.

Locke's flashback with his biological mother and father did not lead to him being on the plane - at least not immeditely.

No..but Locke first flashback in the Walkabout told us that he was sent back, because he wasn't allow on the walkabout.

Claire was was going to me the people who were to adopt her baby

..all of their flashback told us why they were on the plane, but Sayid 's flashback didn't tell us anything about Sayid now nor nothing leading up to him being at on the plane. He only had one flahsback, and that took place 6 years ago....Even Boone, Shannon, Sun, Jin and Micheal and Walt's told us why they were on flight 815.

Shannon and Boone- Boone was taking Shannon back home
.
Sun and Jin - Jin had some business, and Sun was plan on leaving him.

Micheal and Walt- Walt's mother died and Micheal was taking him to leave with him.

... the only other person we have less background on is Hurley and Rose...and I do not think we will see Rose again.

..but What did Sayid flashback tell us? .." he love Nadia 6 years ago, and hope one day to see her again. that it. so i hope the next sayid episode tell us more about Sayid.

Cassis1

05-03-05, 10:06 PM

All of the castaways' first flashbacks placed them on the plane...except for Sawyer and Sayid.

In Sawyer's case, his second flashback revealed his reason for being in Australia--and showed why we hadn't seen it earlier: because TPTB wanted to save the reveal that he was a murderer.

I think we will probably get something equally startling to explain Sayid's presence on 815. If not more so.

One more day! :b

kadeskiss

05-03-05, 10:47 PM

In Sawyer's case, his second flashback revealed his reason for being in Australia--and showed why we hadn't seen it earlier: because TPTB wanted to save the reveal that he was a murderer.

..that is interesting.. they did save the sawyer story, because they wanted to reveal he was an murderer...so that make me wonder about sayid..he might be an murderer as well. so far it seem like a most of the castaways had been involved in some type of murder, directly, or indirectly.

We know that Boone accidently cause the death of his Nanny.
we know that Kate and Saywe both killed someone.
we know that Jack killed the Marshell ( mercy killing, but he still kill someone)
Charlie killed Ethan.
Hurley 's curse, indirectly cause the death of many people.
Walt, or Micheal might have indirectly cause the death of Walt's mother.

azteclady

05-03-05, 11:09 PM

My apologies for not replying earlier!

Yes, Sawyer's second flashback was the one to bring him to Australia, so to speak. And his first showed him as a murderer. Sayid's first flashback showed him torturing one man, then Nadia, then killing his superior officer.

kadeskiss

05-04-05, 06:19 AM

Sayid's first flashback showed him torturing one man, then Nadia, then killing his superior officer.

..all that happen 6 years before the plane crash. Sayid "first" flashback is the only one that took place six year piror to the plane crash, so I hope that that the next one tells us about sayid "today. I want to know what put him on the fatal flight. ..but I think he too, will be reveal to be an murderer. If you think about Sayid action on the island , I would not be suprise. he torture Sawyer, he was going to shot the french woman , if the gun had work ( although he had already gotten away from her, he could have just left, without stopping to say anything and from the look at the next episode, he willing to kill Locke. he seem a little unstable.