View Full Version : Libby From the Institution? Whats real and not Real?
dreck1177
04-06-06, 02:07 AM
WOW!!!!!!!! I thought it was confusing when dave was explaining how its all made up, but i refused to believe that, haha. Why would the whole show have so much back info and all taht if its all created from Hurleys mind? thats right, it wouldnt. Then the fact that Libby was in the crazy house too? That threw me for a loop, i dont even know what to think, maybe everyone there is really crazy or something but i DOUBT that.
next week looks INSANE like always!
quoting
04-06-06, 02:12 AM
I dont know what to think
bearofacoincidence
04-06-06, 02:24 AM
Damn, I knew I forgot something I missed the trailer for next week. Can someone tell me what they saw?
DramaProject
04-06-06, 02:26 AM
I thought in the pod cast TPTB have said the island is real. Were they playing mind games with us in that the island is real but they are imagining they survived a plane crash and are living on it?
If this is all real then maybe Libby being in the institution is just another fortuitous meeting of the survivors before the plane crash. Could one interpert it as she understands and loves Hurly because she like him went through a mental breakdown.
drewsgrl
04-06-06, 02:29 AM
You can totally tell that Libby is up to something b/c of the look she had on her face when she and Hurley walked away from the cliff.
I bet she remembers him from the nut house and was obsessed w/ him there.
But how can she seem so sane now?? Hmmmm....
bearofacoincidence
04-06-06, 02:40 AM
This episode reminded me of Alice in Wonderland with Dave playing the White Rabbit. I think the producers of the show are going to start giving us various answers or outs for what the island could be or ways to explain these strange connections. Libby is such an out. The producers said the island was real but they said nothing of the experiences of the characters on the island. Could Libby have been stranded on an island years ago an island which she now returns to in her delusions?
I'm not sure but I feel we may see other "solutions" for the island further down the rabbit hole. Obviously some could be false leads but others may be the real one. On a side note and back to reality, did anyone find it strange how they thought Libby was a Psychiatrist when she was once stuck in an institution herself. Could she have gotten better by convincing herself she was someone else than who she really is? I mean I really got the sense that at the end of the episode Hurley had begun to come to grips with his problem but Libby might be far crazier than Hurley and hiding behind a mask.
So why is her hair color different? I mean... If it were dyed blonde, we'd see the roots by now I assume, but why would you dye your hair in a mental ward? It looked like it had been growing for awhile without being cut or treated...
http://www.losttalk.info/images/screencap_libby.gif
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x18/crazyLibby.jpg
kdawg555131
04-06-06, 02:41 AM
PEOPLE DO WEIRD THINGS WHEN THEY ARE PUT IN A LOONEY BIN
Mysterious Mike
04-06-06, 02:41 AM
What if Dharma has some sort of plan for Hurley and Libby is a plant in the Santa Rosa Mental Institute. This would go along with the Dharma consiperacy idea.
Here's some info on Saint Rose of Lima, where the name Santa Rosa comes from... May or may not have relevant info. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_Lima)
Crandyman
04-06-06, 03:22 AM
But how can she seem so sane now?? Hmmmm....
How can a paralyzed man walk and a sterile man get his wife pregnant? Exactly.
The fact is we don't know why Libby was in there. People go into Mental Institutions for all kinds of reasons. Not everyone who is in there have multiple personalities and have imaginary friends.
The hair color is irrelevant at this time. She could have just been admitted to the hospital when we see her and her hair could have just been dyed. I highly doubt they would let her color her hair once she had been admitted.
salem2005
04-06-06, 03:32 AM
What if Dharma has some sort of plan for Hurley and Libby is a plant in the Santa Rosa Mental Institute. This would go along with the Dharma consiperacy idea.
This feeds into my theory that they have all been manipulated somehow by people in their lives before and that is how they all ended up on the same plane and on this island.
LandPirate
04-06-06, 03:32 AM
I stand by my prior plot line prediction that Libby is a Gold digger who knew Hurley from the Institiution, knew he won the Lottery, and that she was on the plane to Australia because she was stalking him.
Hurley4Prez
04-06-06, 03:37 AM
^ That's the same thing I thought throughout this episode, LP. At the end she was just sitting there, staring at Hurley in a creepy, obsessive way.
They had her on some of the good stuff, too. She was looking pretty sloppy.
so-lost
04-06-06, 03:57 AM
Ok, so Hurley was in a nut house. So was Libby. When you think about it, who on this island wouldn't be in a institution. You have a drug addict. A work obsessed doctor who drove his father to his death. A middle aged man in a wheel chair who obsesses about his dad. A con man with serious childhood damage. A convict who killed her childhood friend (and step father). A man who shot someone when he was a child and who let his brother go off in a plane and die. The list goes on. A child who lost his mom, a father how lost his son in a separation. Why is there so much background info, because it involves everyone there. Why do they come in contact with the past all the time. Jack and his dead dad. Kate and the horse that she almost hit. Sawer and the boar. Poor Charlie has been seeing all sorts of things. I hate to say this theory. Lets just say that everyone there has a reason to be there, they are all crazy. As therapy they are mentally set into a (god I hate to say it) Matrix like program as an encounter method of therapy. They are adding to the environment as they go along, each adding their own little piece. The others might be the doctors/ operators of the program..... I need to stop. Please someone shoot down this theory... Please!
*Saint*
04-06-06, 05:09 AM
The hair comment is irrelevant. I am naturally a light blonde, but went brunette for a show I am in. People change their hair color all time. Moot point.
ItsAGame
04-06-06, 05:16 AM
What if Dharma has some sort of plan for Hurley and Libby is a plant in the Santa Rosa Mental Institute. This would go along with the Dharma consiperacy idea.
I was thinkin the same thing.
Libbys relation with Hurley is 1 of these 2 possibilities.
1. Both Hurley and Libby were in the Santa Rosa mental institution and they both ended up on the same plane by accident....
2. like what was said.... Libby was planted into the mental institute to track Hurley and she ended up on the plane tracking Hurley further.
- by either her own intentions
- or by a greater cause...such as Dharma
Libby knew Hurley before..reasoning:
- it was pretty clear that Libby knew Hurley....back in the ep where Hurley said something about "Havent i seen you somewhere before" and Libby gave a suspicious look like she was playing it off that he didnt know her.....and so far the rule of thumb of "the suspicous looks" in the show should be taken literally.
- and the suspicious look after walking away from the cliff......also how did she know Hurley was at the cliff.
-also, the idea that why would a women like Libby be interested in a big guy like Hurley...plays into this.
Im definately thinking its 2....there is too much of a coincedent of Libby being in the instution and now on the island the same as Hurley.
I dont believe that the LOST island is in Hurleys head....I think Dave was..just like the docter said.
*Saint*
04-06-06, 05:25 AM
You can gaurantee that LOST is NOT in Hurley's head.
Why?
Because if it were, and we are only in SEASON TWO and they are giving that hint ALREADY, then there it spoils the rest of the show...
It's a mind-game. Purely "dharma-esque," if you will. It's pulling you off track.
Great episode, though! wonderful character development for both hurley and libby!
PandoraX
04-06-06, 05:26 AM
What I'm wondering is when we're going to see Locke's mom in the flashbacks, and where her admissions to Santa Rosa fits in.
Son of Locke
04-06-06, 05:33 AM
Haven't gone back or hit lost-media yet, but that cap of Libby with the decorations in the background, looked for just a sec like the clean interior of the Caduceus hatch nursery from Claire's FB
henrykrinkle
04-06-06, 05:40 PM
new to the boards and have a theory about libby
she's a psychologistor or therapist. the island is a psychological experiment run by academics from some university. the crazy guy who keeps murmuring the numbers - wasn't he on the island at one point? if not, he does have some connection to the island, at least. i don't remember exactly how he knows about the numbers, but doesn't hurley learn in australia something about the source of the numbers? a beacon in the pacific? anyway, the crazy guy knows too much. libby is an other (or at least someone more directly involved in the experiment) and she's in the outside world, in the hospital watching this guy (not hurley) --perhaps monitoring the crazy, number-murmuring guy on behalf of the dharma project to make sure he doesn't give up their secret.
when hurley gets out and plays those numbers and wins, she sees it on the news, straightens herself up (as a psychologist, she knows how to play crazy and how to play sane) and gets out of the hospital to start monitoring hurley. she trails him around, including to australia and finally to the island. perhaps, even, she is responsible for telling the others which plane to bring down with their weather machine.
that wouldn't account for why so many of the other people are on the island too (and clearly they are supposed to be there) - UNLESS, they, like hurley, were scouted by other people, like libby, and somehow psychologically controlled or otherwise made to be on that plane. libby may be one of several people who were on the plane AND one of the others. perhaps the people who disappeared didn't disappear at all, but just returned to the others.
OR - maybe libby isn't with the others, but is investigating them. her investigation leads her to the numbers and then to the crazy guy and then to hurley and then to the island. either way, ultimately, hurley is right - a woman like that wouldn't ever really love a guy like him.
SanityAmongstChaos
04-06-06, 05:51 PM
Haven't gone back or hit lost-media yet, but that cap of Libby with the decorations in the background, looked for just a sec like the clean interior of the Caduceus hatch nursery from Claire's FBI thought the same thing. I played it back and they aren't the same, but they sure are similar in style.
Crandyman
04-06-06, 05:58 PM
libby is an other (or at least someone more directly involved in the experiment) and she's in the outside world, in the hospital watching this guy (not hurley) --perhaps monitoring the crazy, number-murmuring guy on behalf of the dharma project to make sure he doesn't give up their secret.
I don't think Lenny has any pertinent any information regarding the Island or Dharma. If he did, I am sure they wouldn't bother keeping 'tabs' on him, they would just kill him.
blue sunrise
04-06-06, 06:49 PM
I have a question:
We saw Libby in Hurley's flashback. We can assume Hurley's flashback is from Hurley's point of view, right? It's his memory.
By that logic, shouldn't Hurley should remember that Libby was at the institution as a patient?
Hurley's point of view showed Dave... When we see Libby Dave isn't there anymore. So perhaps the last bit is from her perspective.
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So why is her hair color different? I mean... If it were dyed blonde, we'd see the roots by now I assume, but why would you dye your hair in a mental ward? It looked like it had been growing for awhile without being cut or treated...
http://www.losttalk.info/images/screencap_libby.gif
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x18/crazyLibby.jpg
I had a whole big thing about this in the spoiler section a few days ago-
I still don't get it :/
blue sunrise
04-06-06, 06:56 PM
Hurley's point of view showed Dave... When we see Libby Dave isn't there anymore. So perhaps the last bit is from her perspective.
<smacks forehead> You are absolutely right. It was a seperate flashback when we saw Libby. In Libby's flashback, we saw Hurley.
Thank you, Nyfeh.
You can totally tell that Libby is up to something b/c of the look she had on her face when she and Hurley walked away from the cliff.
I bet she remembers him from the nut house and was obsessed w/ him there.
But how can she seem so sane now?? Hmmmm....
Maybe the island fixed her crazies
I have a question:
We saw Libby in Hurley's flashback. We can assume Hurley's flashback is from Hurley's point of view, right? It's his memory.
By that logic, shouldn't Hurley should remember that Libby was at the institution as a patient?
The last flashback is from Libby's perspective. Right before it begins they show Hurley and Libby leaving the cliff. Camera zooms in on Libby's face, she has a VERY strange/emotionless/blank look on her face and...cue the flashback.
Noav Sigless
04-06-06, 08:08 PM
Maybe Libby dyed her hair brown because it was a dark period in her life before going into Santa Rosa. I know it sounds cheesy and symbolic but I have known people to do just that.
dreck1177
04-06-06, 08:29 PM
I definetly would have to say Libby is in some way stalking Hurley, just by her creepy stares in the institution...possibly for her own obsession or for something such as Dharma...It could easily be taken that there is a much bigger connection: Island-Lenny-crazy house-numbers-hurley-numbers-crazy house-island-libby?
blue sunrise
04-06-06, 09:29 PM
Maybe Libby dyed her hair brown because it was a dark period in her life before going into Santa Rosa. I know it sounds cheesy and symbolic but I have known people to do just that.
Maybe its's REALLY dirty.
Aaron's Mum
04-06-06, 09:50 PM
So why is her hair color different? I mean... If it were dyed blonde, we'd see the roots by now I assume, but why would you dye your hair in a mental ward? It looked like it had been growing for awhile without being cut or treated...
Im guessing she traded Sawyer some coconuts for a box of NiceNEasy shade #107 to touch up the roots. We only see an hour a week so they cant show us EVERYTHING! :D
The dyed hair is a small issue. Perhaps she dyed her haior befor eshe was in the hospital or before she got on the plane. I think it was mainly done to make her look different... like "here's what libby looked like 5 years ago" kind of thing. The same way they give Locke hair and Jack is clean shaven... to give the illusion of time.
Selaweq
04-06-06, 10:09 PM
1: So-Lost the Marshall was the one driving the car with Kate. He almost hit the horse.
2: Lenny knows about the numbers because he was on the boat with the Australian wife's husband. On the radio came the numbers. The guy (NOT LENNY) used the numbers in agame with beans, he won he was cursed. There is no evidence to suggest the two split the winnings but maybe they were both cursed and Lenny was driven mad by the events.
Fish1941
04-06-06, 10:22 PM
On a side note and back to reality, did anyone find it strange how they thought Libby was a Psychiatrist when she was once stuck in an institution herself.
Maybe Libby was a psychiatrist who had a mental breakdown herself . . . and ended up in the institution. That is possible.
Lost Fan88
04-06-06, 10:24 PM
So why is her hair color different? I mean... If it were dyed blonde, we'd see the roots by now I assume, but why would you dye your hair in a mental ward? It looked like it had been growing for awhile without being cut or treated...
http://www.losttalk.info/images/screencap_libby.gif
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x18/crazyLibby.jpg
It was probably from being out in the sun for so long. My hair always gets lighter in the summer. And I don't live on a beach.
SNWombat
04-06-06, 11:41 PM
Curious...
Emily Annabeth Locke (Locke's mother) was institutionalized "a few times" at Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute (S1Ep19).
*Saint*
04-06-06, 11:43 PM
Curious...
Emily Annabeth Locke (Locke's mother) was institutionalized "a few times" at Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute (S1Ep19).
So you are saying Libby is Locke's mom? Or am I off? "Libby" can be a nickname for Elizabeth...Annabeth isn't too far off.
Nah. That's stretching.
KOOLmike
04-06-06, 11:48 PM
Okay, call me crazy, but I don't think the last flashback sequence from last night's episode (Season 2, ep. 18- "Dave") was Hurley's. In fact, I think it was Libby's.
A lot of people are talking about how her facial expression changes when she and Hurley are walking away from the cliff. I thought so right away as well. She has sort of a "I remember..." look on her face, and the camera begins to zoom in on her just as the final flashback sequence begins. Lost always shows the person's face whose flashback is about to be shown.
Go back and rewatch if you must, but I swear that's what happened.
What do you guy and gals think?
Mysterious Mike
04-06-06, 11:50 PM
I haven't read this idea yet , but I don't really think it was Libby's flashback.
Pretty original thought though.
*Saint*
04-06-06, 11:50 PM
Interesting! This makes sense since Hurley can't pin point how he knows Libby just yet...AND it did zoom in on her almost immediately, which alludes to her own flashback...
Okay, call me crazy, but I don't think the last flashback sequence from last night's episode (Season 2, ep. 18- "Dave") was Hurley's. In fact, I think it was Libby's.
A lot of people are talking about how her facial expression changes when she and Hurley are walking away from the cliff. I thought so right away as well. She has sort of a "I remember..." look on her face, and the camera begins to zoom in on her just as the final flashback sequence begins. Lost always shows the person's face whose flashback is about to be shown.
Go back and rewatch if you must, but I swear that's what happened.
What do you guy and gals think?
I think you're right. She remembers Hurley from the institution and that was her flashback.....good catch.
Sals
Lost Fan88
04-06-06, 11:52 PM
She's way too young to be Locke's mom. But we already saw Locke's mom and it wasn't Libby.
Ratchetman
04-06-06, 11:53 PM
Plus in the final flashback Dave wasnt in it. You can clearly see Hurley posing for the polaroid.
I_Took_Walt
04-06-06, 11:55 PM
That was it? Dang. Cynthia Watros was ripped off, big time!
Mysterious Mike
04-06-06, 11:57 PM
That was it? Dang. Cynthia Watros was ripped off, big time!
:rotfl:
LostInWilderness
04-07-06, 12:06 AM
I agree. It seemed more like Libby's flashback. And she did have one of those ubiquituos ambiguous looks. I personally never try to read anything into them.
Merging.
Smartypants
04-07-06, 12:30 AM
I just watched it again and I disagree that Libby had a creepy obsessed-with-Hurley look in the last scene. To me, she looked totally out of it and almost like she didn't notice he was there at all. I'm not sure whose POV it is supposed to be, since he doesn't notice her and I swear she doesn't seem to notice him. Maybe she remembers him well from other times in the facility, but from that scene -- I just don't see wild obsession.
Also, I question the idea that she is a gold digger focused on the lottery winnings. It seems like the Losties have abandoned the idea of ever leaving this crazy island, so why would anyone be thinking about getting their hands on some money supposedly out there in the "real world." It's like when people thought Locke might be saving the heroin statues to SELL them?!
None of them has said boo about leaving since the raft incident. And they are looking pretty cozy with the hatch and blue tarp condos.
lacenaire
04-07-06, 12:38 AM
Hi, LIW
It was Libby's flashback.
It followed the rule: Zoom in + swoosh sound + subjective POV
I updated my unreliable narrator thread with the screencaps to prove it.
flyinfreeee
04-07-06, 12:58 AM
People are mentioning that her job is psychiatry... but I'm now going to presume over that, that she is indeed saying that title because of her ex-mental disorder status... whichever disorder it may be.
In her flashback (at the end), whilst she did look like kind of outta-whack and not paying attention to hurley... the flashback DID show hurley..leading to my conclusion that she does remember him.
that scared the bejesus out of me lol
RanchDippin'
04-07-06, 01:08 AM
Maybe she was lying, but still, I can't discount Libby's original assertion of being a psychiatrist. Everyone is vulnerable to nervous breakdowns, even shrinks.
As for the hair, she looks like a natural brunette. I think she dyed her hair a lighter color some time after being released from the hospital.
3519273540
04-07-06, 01:09 AM
I think just the look on her face without the flashback would have been better.
KOOLmike
04-07-06, 01:13 AM
Well, it's good to know there are others who agree that the last flashback sequence was from Libby's perspective. Shows I'm not 100% crazy...:p
The artist formerly known
04-07-06, 01:13 AM
Think about it. The instution had a guard in a cage that Hurley and Dave avoided . Steel bars padlocked over the windows. maybe not maximun security but at least high security. That being the case there would never be a woman patient mixed in with tons of male patients. She was either not their or impersonating a patient.
Geoffrey Arnold
04-07-06, 01:18 AM
Interesting point. She was the only woman we saw in the asylum. But, maybe some of those institutions do allow women (i don't know). But, we are led to believe that she IS actually crazy. Did you see her face twitch when she was walking away from the clif with Hurley?
She started looking crazy, just before it cut to the scene where it was revealed that she was in the hospital w/ Hurley.
raven444
04-07-06, 01:25 AM
It was a social room. It is entirely possible that there was also a women's wing in the hospital. Didn't Locke's mom go there, after all?
theisland
04-07-06, 01:28 AM
They usually don't seperate people, the room they were in was for them to socialize with other patients and stuff, including hte women.
*Saint*
04-07-06, 01:28 AM
We need Pandora to answer this. She knows all. :p
Geoffrey Arnold
04-07-06, 01:28 AM
Hi, LIW
It was Libby's flashback.
It followed the rule: Zoom in + swoosh sound + subjective POV
I updated my unreliable narrator thread with the screencaps to prove it.
Yes. The very last flashback was Libby's. It had to have been (the camera movements and everything). But I didn't even know that was in dispute.
I agree it's just a common room. However, letting the patients sit around in their PJs all-day is a falsehood.
raven444
04-07-06, 01:39 AM
I can assure you there's no mystery here. It is not a stretch at all to mix male and female patients/clients in the social areas. Trust me, I know firsthand.
Geoffrey Arnold
04-07-06, 01:43 AM
I can assure you there's no mystery here. It is not a stretch at all to mix male and female patients/clients in the social areas. Trust me, I know firsthand.
:confused:
raven444
04-07-06, 01:48 AM
:confused:
;)
Crandyman
04-07-06, 01:55 AM
Well, I am a corrections officer in a jail which houses both men and women. The sexes are to be housed in seperate units ALWAYS but we do allow some interaction. The recreation time is separated but there are both men and women in the visitation room on visit days. I'm not sure how a mental hospital works but I would think they too would keep the males and females apart. However, In a smaller facility with fewer women, It's entirely plausible to have them both in the same room.
Also....it's a tv show. They need to make the Hurley-Libby connection somehow.
Noav Sigless
04-07-06, 01:59 AM
There were women in the gym during the basketball game.
LostInWilderness
04-07-06, 02:03 AM
Merged.
ummmm... am i the only one who heard this????
i was watching this episode again with my 13 year old tonight on tape... i was all excited to see her freak out when we see libby in the hosp with hurley... then i heard it..........
as the camera pans over Libby sitting there all disheveled, you can JUUUUST barely hear a voice saying
" Well done, Walt..........Here you go"
Now, i'm new to this board, but THAT freaked me out. I rewinded 50 times, and it is clearly the above......
The others have walt hooked up to some thing that uses his scary mind powers to mes with the heads of the Survivors??? and when he does, he gets a cookie???? I dunno... but go listen .
Dynagirl
04-07-06, 05:37 AM
Hmmmmm...don't remember hearing that....must go back and listen now!
ETA: Ok, much to the chagrin of my husband, I had to go back and check the epi (luckily had it DVR'ed) and it's there!
I listened to it 3 times, there is definitely a creepy male voice whispering "Well, done, Walt" as they pan around Libby.
CREEPY! Oh boy, did this epi just get a lot more interesting!
raven444
04-07-06, 05:56 AM
dude, someone hook us up with an audio link!
evilspungebob
04-07-06, 10:39 AM
ummmm... am i the only one who heard this????
i was watching this episode again with my 13 year old tonight on tape... i was all excited to see her freak out when we see libby in the hosp with hurley... then i heard it..........
as the camera pans over Libby sitting there all disheveled, you can JUUUUST barely hear a voice saying
" Well done, Walt..........Here you go"
Now, i'm new to this board, but THAT freaked me out. I rewinded 50 times, and it is clearly the above......
The others have walt hooked up to some thing that uses his scary mind powers to mes with the heads of the Survivors??? and when he does, he gets a cookie???? I dunno... but go listen .
Yeah I went back and got my ears on...it's definitely Leonards voice..but I'm only 98% convinced that he actually says "well done walt"...hmmm
the jury is out on this one...
JLCommish
04-07-06, 01:45 PM
The TPTB could just be messing with us there. Could it just be that Leonard just lost another game of Connect Four to a patient named Walt?
Of course that would be boring and I'd really like to believe this means they've got Island Walt hooked up to the Flashback Machine in Dharma Headquarters!
sterioss
04-07-06, 01:47 PM
If this is all real then maybe Libby being in the institution is just another fortuitous meeting of the survivors before the plane crash. Could one interpert it as she understands and loves Hurly because she like him went through a mental breakdown.
Or could it be that Libby remembered Hurley as the man that won the lottery. Timeline: Libby meets Hurley or at least is familiar with Hurley from her time at the Mental Hopital. Once out, she sees Hurley on the news as winning the lottery. She stalks Hurley because she is a gold digger trying to seduce him and claim a portion of the winnings.
LandPirate
04-07-06, 02:02 PM
Or could it be that Libby remembered Hurley as the man that won the lottery. Timeline: Libby meets Hurley or at least is familiar with Hurley from her time at the Mental Hopital. Once out, she sees Hurley on the news as winning the lottery. She stalks Hurley because she is a gold digger trying to seduce him and claim a portion of the winnings.
I posted this senario a few weeks ago and again on Wedsday night. It seems to be far too prosaic for most people to consider. It is as if most posters will not consider any theroy about anything that does not invovle some rube goldman explaination and a Darma (sp?) conspiracy of hundreds of people. :)
oceanicman42
04-07-06, 02:08 PM
Damn, I knew I forgot something I missed the trailer for next week. Can someone tell me what they saw?
We part of the trailer is Jack taking that other aka Henry Gale into the forest to trade for Walt.. What is ecko biulding?? :drinky:
Dynagirl
04-07-06, 02:17 PM
Now I'm 99% sure I heard it and 1% sure it sounds like Leonard. I didn't think it was Leonard at all. It sounded more like an omnipresent narrator, a creepy whisper. *shrug*
Verite Garde
04-07-06, 02:55 PM
I stand by my prior plot line prediction that Libby is a Gold digger who knew Hurley from the Institiution, knew he won the Lottery, and that she was on the plane to Australia because she was stalking him.
Yup. Sounds like the most logical explanation to me.
A.'.A.'.
04-07-06, 04:14 PM
I can't believe nobody has brought this up...but maybe they have and it is just burried in the threads.
At the end of "Dave" we have the shot of Libby in the mental hospital. Now when I originally saw this I thought this was Libby's flashback. But talking to my roommate last night, we wondered if it was still Hurley's flashback. I mean the rest of the Flashbacks in the episode are Hurley's...but then we get the shot of Libby at the end.
Is this last Flashback Libby's or Hurley's? Was she really in the mental hospital or is she just appearing there in Hurley's crazy memory?
I still think it is Libby's and she was actually there...but it doesn't go with the established "visual language" of the series.
jasonanomaly
04-07-06, 04:18 PM
what? they were just showing libby at the hospital it dosent matter who's flashback it was (but it was hurleys) it was just a reveal of what happened. its not like flashbacks are in complete first person view it was a hurley centric episode and libby being there was relevant.
BlackEyedAngel
04-07-06, 04:39 PM
Well, this is just a thought of mine, and I can't quite remember exactly what was said....so, here goes:
When we first met Libby did she actually say she was a therapist, or did she word it in a way that would just make us assume she was? Something like "I have a history in Psychology".
Spooky's transcript of the other 48 days:
ANA: You a doctor?
LIBBY: A year of med school before I dropped out. I'm a clinical psychologist. You saved that girl's life -- you a doctor?
ANA: No.
LostInWilderness
04-07-06, 05:05 PM
You just missed the thread. Merging.
blue sunrise
04-07-06, 05:06 PM
It was Libby's flashback. This was brought up in another thread. I'll edit in the name of the thread when I find it.
Libby was at the hospital. Just prior to the flashback the camera focuses on Libby with a far-off look on her face. In the flashback, we see the doctor taking Hurley's picture, but Dave is not visible- Hurley has his arm around thin air.
I asked this same question in the other thread because my memory was faulty- I wrongly thought it was Hurley's flashback.
Edited to add: Merged while I was typing- DOH!
A.'.A.'.
04-07-06, 10:03 PM
Are there other episodes where they mix flashbacks? (besides Exodus)
lacenaire
04-07-06, 10:04 PM
One with SUn and Jin.
Michael and Walt shared an episode too I think.
JediArturo
04-07-06, 10:35 PM
Maybe Libby was a psychiatrist who had a mental breakdown herself . . . and ended up in the institution. That is possible
I don't think Libby was every a professional psychiatrist, I think she is a pathological liar and has taken on the "role" of psychiatrist.
When Hugo asked Libby if people can change, she said "yes", but her facial emotions showed a different answer, "no"...
Also, I do not think a professional would condone Hugo destroying a TON of food. She got a kick out of what Hugo was doing..almost like she herself was receiving some "instant gratification". She's no shrink.
Another possiblity I came up with is that perhaps Libby's loved one was one of the two that died, by Hugo walking onto the deck.
Perhaps she becamed obsessed with "the man that killed" her loved one, and by purpose went into the institute, and by purpose followed him to Ozland.
saral6978
04-08-06, 12:19 AM
Another possiblity I came up with is that perhaps Libby's loved one was one of the two that died, by Hugo walking onto the deck.
Perhaps she becamed obsessed with "the man that killed" her loved one, and by purpose went into the institute, and by purpose followed him to Ozland.
Now that would be cool storyline! That is something I could totally see the writers doing!
If thats true why didn't she just kill him when she had the chance. All she'd have to do is agree with Hurley when he was on the cliff.
I dont know what to think
That's ok, we'll think for you. ;)
saral6978
04-08-06, 12:31 AM
If thats true why didn't she just kill him when she had the chance. All she'd have to do is agree with Hurley when he was on the cliff.
Which reminds me...in the preview for this show, after Lockdown, didn't they show Hurley almost falling off the cliff?! I swear I remember seeing Hurley lose his balance and almost fall. Then during the show, there was nothing remotely like that scene? Did I just imagine that?
Just wondering! :)
I don't think Libby was every a professional psychiatrist
She never claimed to be. She said she was a Clinical Psychologist. ;)
I apologize for the sarcasm but I couldn't resist. According to Zia I'm just being fiesty. ;)
Just for the record: a Psychiatrist is an M.D., a physician.
A Clinical Psychologist usually has a Ph.D although it isn't an absolute requirement. Some Clinical Psychologists may have a Masters degree for example.
Kind of like an Opthomologist vs. an Optometrist.
LoStMyMiNd
04-08-06, 12:43 AM
I stand by my prior plot line prediction that Libby is a Gold digger who knew Hurley from the Institiution, knew he won the Lottery, and that she was on the plane to Australia because she was stalking him.
I thought the exact same thing, but then remembered that Hurley had missed his flight and had to take a different flight, so how could Libby had known that was going to happen?
LandPirate
04-08-06, 01:50 AM
I thought the exact same thing, but then remembered that Hurley had missed his flight and had to take a different flight, so how could Libby had known that was going to happen?
I can see how that could be perceived as an argument against the 'Libby is a stalker/gold digger' scenario. But it doesn't defeat the scenario outright. I think you need to consider that when Hurley has his airport episode in season I, that Libby had not even be thought of.The flight schedule paradox requires less of a suspension of disbelief than dozens of other LOST plot lines. As a hard core stalker, Libby would know all the scheduled flights back to LA, Libby would know that Hurley's mother had a birthday coming up, and Libby would resonably anticipate that Hurley would need to make that specific flight in order to get home by his mother's birthday. So Libby hangs out at the airport (wearing something of a diguise) in anticpation of Hurley showing up, when Hurley's cab shows up Libby gets in the ticket line immediatelly (well ahead of Hurley), gets her ticket and is on the plane with her 'Stalker' brand carry-on while Hurley is still sweating in line at the non-metallic metal detector.
LoStMyMiNd
04-08-06, 02:06 AM
), gets her ticket and is on the plane with her 'Stalker' brand carry-on while Hurley is still sweating in line at the non-metallic metal detector.
If she got a ticket for the flight that Hurley missed, would she be able to cash it in on the flight that Hurley eventually got on in the end....Flight 815? Seems like an awful lot of work to me. I think there is more of a possbility that she was simply watching him and followed him to the flight he eventually took, that would make more sense to me.
PandoraX
04-08-06, 02:12 AM
Well, I am a corrections officer in a jail which houses both men and women. The sexes are to be housed in seperate units ALWAYS but we do allow some interaction. The recreation time is separated but there are both men and women in the visitation room on visit days. I'm not sure how a mental hospital works but I would think they too would keep the males and females apart. However, In a smaller facility with fewer women, It's entirely plausible to have them both in the same room.
Also....it's a tv show. They need to make the Hurley-Libby connection somehow.
Having worked in several mental health institutes and inpatient wards, I can say it is typically coed, with separate sleeping quarters, of course. But in the common areas (such as the rec room where Libby was found), it would almost always be mixed, except in forensic psych institutes where sex crimes and patient safety could be an issue. It's a stigma that "mentally ill" implies "totally nuts" or violent. Patients can be admitted against their will if they pose a threat of danger to themselves (suicidal) or others, but some patients are self-admitted, or admitted by family under partial agreement, and many are highly functional from a social perspective. These wards are not treated like prisons unless there is a need for this control because of that specific patient population.
And Badger's right, she never claimed to be a psychiatrist, only a psychologist. The most glaring difference is the degrees (as mentioned), and the ability to prescribe drugs (psychologists do not have DEA licenses). TPTP had a post with the quote from the transcript where she said she went to one year of med school and dropped out (possibly to pursue her masters/PhD, or possibly it was all a lie). A prior admission to a psychiatric hospital would not necessarily preclude admission to either med school or graduate school for an advanced degree in psychology. However, I do have doubts about her credibility for other reasons.
LandPirate
04-08-06, 02:18 AM
If she got a ticket for the flight that Hurley missed, would she be able to cash it in on the flight that Hurley eventually got on in the end....Flight 815? Seems like an awful lot of work to me. I think there is more of a possbility that she was simply watching him and followed him to the flight he eventually took, that would make more sense to me.
I could be mistaken, but I don't think Hurley missed his flight as you claim, I think he just woke up late for the flight he had planned to take and had to rush to airport, and then rush to the plane. At checkin Hurley was forced to buy a second ticket because of his weight.
<< Loves it when PandoraX agrees with him. :) Now I just have to work on Lacenaire. ;)
DreaminLost
04-08-06, 02:26 AM
My take on it was that Libby was very well aware that she had seen Hurley in the nuthouse.
While on the cliff he said he knew her from somewhere, and for a moment she got a paniced looke on her face--until he said he'd made her up in his mind. Then she relaxed.
It's my opinion that she knew of him, possibly stalked him--for some reason--all the way to the island.
I think she is looney. Pathological liar. Stalker. Crazy woman.
Watch out, Hurley!!
She is a pathological liar according to TPTB. I can't recall the exact source (Podcast, forum post, etc) but they said she was.
lostbun
04-08-06, 03:46 AM
http://www.widmorelaboratories.com
Real or not real?
LoStMyMiNd
04-08-06, 04:36 AM
http://www.widmorelaboratories.com
Real or not real?
I would say not real. I would say clever, but not real. I mean I clicked on "contact us" and nothing came up
JediArturo
04-09-06, 02:00 PM
A Clinical Psychologist usually has a Ph.D although it isn't an absolute requirement. Some Clinical Psychologists may have a Masters degree for example.
Yes, I do realize the difference(JediWifey graduated with a degree in psych). And the above is still considered professional. I made no mention of Medical.
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