thehansofoundation.org Discussion prior to relaunch on 5/2/06 [Archive]

Braden Westbrook

10-06-05, 03:02 AM

I did the exact same search on "Namaste" as ShooBaDoop and was about to post it...but he beat me to it. Here's the most interesting thing I found in that link:

Here are some insights into Namaste from a number of Hindu(s):

o Namaste elevates one's consciousness, reminding one that all beings, all existence is holy, is the Almighty. It communicates, "I honor or worship the Divinity within you." Also it draws the individual inward for a moment, inspires reflection on the deeper realities, softening the interface between people. It would be difficult or offend or feel animosity toward any one you greet as Paramatma.

o Namaste is a gesture of friendship and kindness, also of thanks or special recognition. Mystically it is called "Namaskara Mudra" in the Agami(c) Pooja, and it centers one's energy within the spine.

o I've heard it means "I salute the Almighty within you." The true Namaste gesture is is accompanied by bowing the head and shoulders slightly. This is a gesture that lessens our sense of ego and self-centeredness, requiring some humility to do it well -- whereas shaking hands can be quite an arrogant event.

o Touching the hands together puts you in touch with your center, your soul. namaste puts you forward as a soul, not an outer personality.

o The gesture has a subtle effect on the aura and nerve system. bringing focused attention and a collection of one's forces, so to speak. It also protects against unnecessary psychic connections which are fostered by shaking hands. This might be called a form of purity also -- protecting one's energies.

Hmm...centering energy within the spine (Locke, Sara). Psychic connections fostered by touch (Walt's "don't open it" comment to Locke maybe)...

Just thought it was interesting.

Braden

Braden Westbrook

10-06-05, 03:05 AM

By the way, here's the index of all images on the Hanso site (I'm surprised this was accessible): www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/)

Nothing too revealing, mostly just background .gif images, but we do see that there is/will be a spot for a video clip on the site...somewhere.

Braden

jmb3rg3r

10-06-05, 03:42 AM

The meta coding says:

<meta name="revisit-after" content="2 days">

wambi

10-06-05, 04:36 AM

If you go to Active Projects page and click just below
"Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility",
the "Dharma Initiative" appears. Unfortunately, when you click
on it you get

javascript:void(0);

Oh well...

rockpages

10-06-05, 06:21 AM

Hi all! First post...

Just a thought (or twelve)...

The Hanso Foundation, under "Active Projects"...
The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

Eugenics (noun used with a sing. verb) the belief that information about heredity can be used to improve the human race. i.e. Eugenics involves using principles of genetics to "improve" humankind.

From HansoFoundation.org:
The Hanso Foundation stands at the vanguard of social and scientific research for the advancement of the human race. For forty years, the foundation has offered grants to worthy experiments designed to further the evolution of the human race and provide technological solutions to the most pressing problems of our time.

The Hanso Foundation: a commitment to encouraging excellence in science and technology and furthering the cause of human development.

Juxtaposition (noun) is an act or instance of placing two things close together or side by side. This is often done in order to contrast the two, to show unlikeness or differences, to note the opposite qualities of the two, etc.

Such as a group of survivors who have (for the most part) kept their heads, persevered, grown stronger... ? Side by side with a group of survivors who have gone "Lord of the Flies" apparently... Or perhaps it's that one side survives with humanity, and the other side is surviving by caveman ethics. In a world that condoned Eugenics, the ones that survived via murder would not necessarily be the ones best kept to further/advance the race. Unless you're Friedrich Nietzsche of course... LOL!

The other "Active Projects" seem to me to be obvious red herrings. Lindehoff et al have already said there are no aliens, so the The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence seems to be out. The Hanso Life-Extension Project seems unlikely as survival is iffy at best in this situation, and the situation does not lend itself to life extention. The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative is possible I suppose, but what/why??? The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative, not Nielson ratings worthy. ;) The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative: Seems more about observation in situations than freezing things, eh? The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility: Again, the powers that be have said it will ALL be explained in "normal" terms at some point. Remote Viewing is a theory for the most part, while Eugenics is at least possible in the real world in real time.

I'm left with The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute as the only one that, for me, seems likely to be where we're going here.

Any ideas?

Cheers!

kim

kimjii

10-06-05, 08:04 AM

I believe that that site is a hoax.. if you look at the coding of the site you will see it directs you to disney.go.com/corporate/p...terms.html (http://disney.go.com/corporate/privacy/terms.html)

there is a link in green near the
2005 The Hanso Foundation, All Rights Reserved

edit: hoax aka.. mis-direction, or not an authentic site
(sponsord by the lost people to provoke discussion)

chrixian

10-06-05, 08:18 AM

hoax? no .. disney owns abc .. lost is on abc .. also the domain thehansofoundation.org is registered to abc ...

stu of east texas

10-06-05, 12:18 PM

exactly...I don't think anyones claiming the Hanso foundation is real...

ibelieveinnumbers

10-06-05, 12:25 PM

It has pretty much been confirmed, in the episode thread, that this is a real, ABC-owned site created for clues to the show. Similar to the oceanic site.

I looked up the keywords on there homepage and this is what I found:
"keywords" content="The Hanso Foundation,The Hanso Life Extension Project,The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative,The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence,The Hanso Mathmatical Forecasting Initiative,The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative,The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute,The Hanso Remote Viewing Training Facility,Dharma Initiative,Alvar Hanso"

Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence?!?

otherdruid

10-06-05, 12:40 PM

I think they're just messin' with us:

Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

JEDI?

This can't be a coincedence! You don't have to use the force to decipher the meaning of this one...:lol

ibelieveinnumbers

10-06-05, 12:46 PM

HA! That's hilarious! Jedi...

I was thinking, myself, that Hanso is just WAY to close to "Han Solo".

:rollin

rockpages

10-06-05, 04:09 PM

J.E.D.I./Hans Solo - That's actually pretty funny...lol!

Yes, I'm well aware that the site is not "real" per se. But it IS there for a reason... Just thought it was interesting that the Eugenics thing was on there. And that it's the only one of the "Active Projects" that is seemingly confirmed and backed up with the text on the rest of the site. It's the kind of concept that these guys would get into it seems to me. They tend to treat their audience/fanbase with a reasonable amount of respect as to their intelligence, hence the "no aliens" definitive statements on several occasions. Eugenics is exactly the kind of thing that would explain what's going on, with a nod from the writers to the capabilities of the fans. :)

'Course, it could be just a stinking plane crash and a bunch of weirded out survivors and nothing more as well, just to mess with us. :-D

Cheers!

kim

ibelieveinnumbers

10-06-05, 04:25 PM

Well now I've got a new question:

I was looking over the coding on the page that lists their projects (www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html). I think we all know that if you go below the last visible link an "invisible" link comes up that says "Dharma Initiative", right? Well the coding for that "button" has this:
ONFOCUS="blur();

Should something be happening when we hover over that button? I'm not getting anything... Anyone savvy on this stuff?

Lost in Boston

10-06-05, 04:32 PM

I just went back to the www.oceanicflight815.com/ (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/) website and I noticed that if you click on the green ray of light that's beaming from the island, it brings you to the Hanso Foundation page. They must have just added that last night or this morning because I don't even remember there being a green ray of light on the oceanicflight815 homepage.

KinmarX

10-06-05, 04:36 PM

when you hover over that area the button comes in focus that all that coding means.

laurieloodesign

10-06-05, 05:00 PM

You know, the Han Solo/Jedi connection doesn't seem so unrealistic, does it? I mean the whole idea behind Starwars is that there's a light side and a dark side...and remember when Locke taught Walt about Backgammon--the oldest game in the world. One light, one dark. Someone else suggested that the logo in the hatch looks a bit like the Korean flag minus the yin-yang symbol...and the source of all tension between John Locke and Jack is that one believes in fate, the other not. And could it be a coincidence that John and Jack are actually the same name?

DiamondDuste

10-06-05, 05:07 PM

With the whole J.E.D.I. thing, I'm shocked there isn't a "Khan" working in the Eugenics department. ;)

Any Star Trek fan will catch the joke there.

shack420

10-06-05, 06:27 PM

also, running a tracert on that website address resolves to bigspaceship1.com - although this domain isnt registered, its just the reverse dns of the destination ip...

Noubourne

10-06-05, 06:42 PM

The Light/Dark theme is present in MANY MANY works, not just Star Wars.

Unless you can find a specific reference to Star Wars that somehow gives some new understanding to what's happening, I wouldn't be surprised if that site wasn't the writers idea of messing with the viewers.

Just about every major theory that's been discussed on the boards is included on that site.

As for the Eugenics one being the only plausible one, well, except for the biological experiment one pointing to the polar bear and the magnetic one pointing to the Swan facility, I guess that would be true.

And just because you are searching for extra-terrestrial life doesn't mean you find it or have alien technology. Look at SETI.

Just because the foundation is involved in all those projects doesn't necessarily mean every project has to be represented on the island.

Jaffa420

10-06-05, 07:17 PM

"Nothing too revealing,"

Acutally there are a couple of hints. Open the following image in a viewer and resize them. You can see what the video is going to be.

www.thehansofoundation.or..._video.gif (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ref_video.gif)

Check it out.

SeattleFilmMaker

10-06-05, 07:25 PM

I'm very happy that this all ties into my recent postings/theory on an Illuminati thing going on, involving Mr. Paik, Jacks' Father, and Locke's Father, although it now looks as if Locke's Dad isn't really his dad, and that the "gate" was all a metaphor for the Hatch.

I had a feeling that Mr. Paik wasn't the "top" guy in all this, and now I see why: Mr. Hanso. He is the shadowy figure I was waiting for. He helped set up DHARMA for his own shadowy purposes, and probably told the two Doctors that ran it that it was all for the good of Humanity, when in reality, it's so that he can develop better ways to destroy things and make money doing it.

I still believe that one of his goals, probably his ultimate end goal, is to create a being who is "Enlightened", the thinking being that this person would have powers to do whatever they wanted. It's all about Power in the end, isn't it?

-E

tas246

10-06-05, 07:35 PM

So i did a quick whois on TheHansoFoundation.org

This is what comes up:

Domain ID:D 106939446-LROR
Domain Name:THEHANSOFOUNDATION.ORG
Created On:18-Jul-2005 19:25:55 UTC
Last Updated On:17-Sep-2005 04:05:12 UTC
Expiration Date:18-Jul-2007 19:25:55 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tu8XYzBd1Q9n6Trn
Registrant Name:ABC, Inc.
Registrant Organization:ABC, Inc.
Registrant Street1:77 West 66th Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:New York
Registrant State/Province:NY
Registrant Postal Code:10023
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.8186233200
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:wdigdomainreg@dig.com
Admin ID:tu2a7BJevHccITRa
Admin Name:ABC.com .
Admin Organization:ABC.com
Admin Street1:500 S. Buena Vista Street
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Burbank
Admin State/Province:CA
Admin Postal Code:91521
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.8186233200
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:wdigdomainreg@dig.com
Tech ID:tuOpQDhFDNAbPuqa
Tech Name:dig.com .
Tech Organization:dig.com
Tech Street1:506 2ND AVE STE 2100
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:SEATTLE
Tech State/Province:WA
Tech Postal Code:98104-2300
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.2066644000
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:+1.2066644009
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:dns-ops@DIG.COM
Name Server:SENS01.DIG.COM
Name Server:SENS02.DIG.COM
Name Server:ORNS01.DIG.COM
Name Server:ORNS02.DIG.COM
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:

I called the registrant phone #, a gentleman answered after one ring saying, "Walt Disney Internet".... I asked about the Hanso Foundation and he had no idea.

I politely commented that i must have the wrong phone number.

Interesting

ibelieveinnumbers

10-06-05, 07:42 PM

^ You actually called? That's awesome!

So, what do we think here? Are they going to update this site with hidden stuff, like the Oceanic site?

I'm dying to know more about these other "stations"/projects that are supposedly on the island.

AND I want to know how this guy was running a company during WWII and still looking pretty good/running companies in the present. Did he experiment on himself?

SeattleFilmMaker

10-06-05, 08:06 PM

Well, that would be one of the side benefits of Genetic manipulation, wouldn't it? That's one of the reasons he's doing all this, to gain Enlightenment, thus gaining Immortality.

And he doesn't exactly seem that young; I'd guess late 50s, probably early 60s. Plus, some of the Film is from the 70s, so it's hard to say.

I'm guessing that Hanzo is connected to machines right now, keeping him alive.

-E

Noubourne

10-06-05, 08:18 PM

It's no surprise that ABC (who is owned by Disney in case you didn't know) owns the site that is linked to from the oceanicflight815.com site, which they also own.

The speculation about what it means would be sort of moot if it was just some random fansite.

It can only have meaning relevant to the show if it was designed and includes content written by someone who knows what the answers are. Otherwise it's just a fansite and of no interest to anyone trying to figure out the answers.

ibelieveinnumbers

10-07-05, 12:53 AM

The Dharma Initiative link is now active (unless it was active earlier & I couldn't get it to work?)... Shows the orientation video... www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

Bunny Frou Frou

10-07-05, 01:15 AM

“From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible.”

You know, I think a certain snake once pulled this line on a naked lady. They found Adam and Eve, and it looks like we now have the snake.

DiamondDuste

10-07-05, 01:31 AM

I wonder what portion of the island represents the Tree of Knowledge...

Actually, if you look at it, The Adam and Eve fall from grace story is similar to Prometheus in Greek Mythology:

Adam, Eve, and Prometheus all took something from the higher beings to benefit themselves and mankind, and as a result, they got punished - Adam and Eve took a bite from the apple, and Prometheus stole fire from the gods.

Ram Abbalah

10-07-05, 01:36 AM

I was reading the bio on Alvar Hanso, and it seemed odd to me, that a man who is, to put it simply, an arms dealer/developer, would be so interested in projects of great benefit to society. The hatch/bunker seems to look like a fall out shelter. If it was built during the Cold War, it could also house a missle silo some where on the island. Perhaps not entering the numerical sequence would result in a missle launch at NATO enemies (ie...USSR/Eastern Bloc.) The system was designed to launch weapons if the caretaker was killed, thus fulfilling mutual assured destruction scenarios.

If eugenics is about enhancing the human race, then maybe they were trying to engineer a "super human" that would be resistant to radiation/fall out from a cataclysmic event, and other assests or skills. Maybe Ethan was a subject? This could explain how he snuck into camp and killed Scott or Steve (I can't recall,) hung Charlie, and trounced Jack in the rain.

amateurpsychologist

10-07-05, 08:49 AM

I want to discuss this passage from Hanso's bio:

"After decades of keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems..."

Keeping the world safe. He's been doing something all these years to maintain safety.

Desmond says he's saving the world, 'cause that's what his predecessor said they were doing. Thoughts?

Paulelven

10-07-05, 11:39 AM

You think that site is weird...look at this one

www.kraftkost.se/__login.asp (http://www.kraftkost.se/__login.asp)

If you move the mouse over certain lines bordering the logo you will make an octet highlight green.

I'm sure Hurley's numbers have something to do with cracking this page.

Paul V

ibelieveinnumbers

10-07-05, 11:55 AM

Where on earth did this site come from? ABC hasn't been using full-page Flash or hitcounters that I've noticed. I'm putting absolutely NO credence in that site.

Back to our "real" Hanso site: I like the Adam/Eve/snake connections there. From the beginning of the discovery of the hatch I have definitely believed it to be connected to some kind of nuclear experimentation... or some such thing.

Who does this Hanso guy think he is? From what we can tell he's supposed to be between 80 yrs old - 100yrs old (if he's even still alive), right? He's caucasian... What else?

see you in the next life

10-07-05, 01:51 PM

Thought I would mention here that at

hansofoundation.org

the orientation video is now playing.

click on projects, scroll to Accelerated Remote Viewing project, move cursor below it until Dharma Initiative can be seen...click on it and UNLIKE yesterday, today the orientation video plays.

see you in the next life

10-07-05, 01:56 PM

It wasn't yesterday, but today if you click on Dharma Initiative under theAccelerated Remotve Viewing Training Facility, the Orientation Video will play. Thought some of you might like to see it again.

Rocky Raccoon

10-07-05, 07:59 PM

What's up with the hansofoundation.org site? It's just bringing me to the 4815162342.com forums.

JoeDokes

10-08-05, 04:12 PM

Try checking out thehansofoundation.org

There's a hidden link under Active Projects, but I couldn't find anything else, maybe someone else will hav better luck.

Bryterlater

10-08-05, 07:45 PM

Been reading the board since June...First time compelled to post (because I READ to see if what I'm gonna say has been said already :eek )

The hanso Initiative website now has a Green screen come up when you hit the hidden Dharma initiative link.

It's a Flash thing. I don't know if it just isn't loading on my computer, but I get the hourglass come up and nothing ever happens. I have DSL so it's a decent speed connection.

SOMEONE ELSE TRY IT AND TELL ME IF IT'S WORKING FOR THEM!

I can't wait for new online clues.

10-08-05, 08:37 PM

Doesn't work for me either, and I have a high connection and flash player. It's just not happening and it's very frustrating!!!

Rocky Raccoon

10-08-05, 09:00 PM

Some people are saying that it's playing the Orientation video, but it doesn't worl for me either. Though my computer DOES suck.

canman23

10-09-05, 01:15 AM

I cant seem to locate the hidden link... I try clicking under what you said but, nothing...

ScrappleKing

10-09-05, 02:13 AM

I'm getting the orientation video for the DI link, I'm on a Mac.

ibelieveinnumbers

10-10-05, 07:16 PM

I have no idea how to bring this up, so I'll just ask:

Could someone add this thread to that stickied "Lost Websites" thread list?

Never mind, I got it. :p

Max Power 79

10-16-05, 03:32 AM

i saw the orientation video , it was cool.

DreaminLost

10-16-05, 06:58 PM

The Hanso website states that one of its active projects is "Juxtapositional Eugenics".

The definition of eugenics is: the improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.

Negative eugenics focuses on eliminating an undesirable trait by sterilization or killing/abandoning babies.

Positive eugenics focuses on INCREASING the frequency of desirable traits--
Adding to the human gene pool so-called desirable characteristics.

The mission statement of the Hanso Foundation is 'to further the evolution of the human race'.

THEY WANTED WALT. They want to breed psychic ability.

LostInWilderness

10-16-05, 07:25 PM

Psychic Walt did a pretty poor job when he decided to shoot off the flare.

DreaminLost

10-16-05, 08:28 PM

Yeah, right. But Walt does seem to have some psychic ability. Enough so that Brian ran to NY asap after Susan died to get rid of him.

Brian knows he has it.
Locke knows he has it.
I think Michael knows he has it.

I think Walt was brought to the island for this reason. I don't know exactly how, but I think Brian was part of it.

I don't think that the Gorton fishermen discovered that Walt has psychic abilities from his actions on the island.

I think they knew about him while he was in Australia and arranged for him to come to the island.

If the Gorton fishermen are really part of the science experiment, one of their goals was 'to further the evolution of the human race' through eugenics (controlled selective breeding).

Anyone?

passenger

10-16-05, 10:53 PM

yeah it seems plausible.. but if it's all because of walt then how are the other passengers so interrelated? how can locke walk? etc.. also, i'm not sure if walt is psychic in that he can predict the future, i think he's got some sort of meta powers that give him the ability to bring things he imagines to happen. that's different because in the first case (the way you mentioned him) it requires more of a passive insight into the future, whereas in the case i'm trying to convey in a really sloppy way, takes more of an active correlation with his mind and how it shapes the physical world. does this make sense? sort of?

juanbong

10-16-05, 10:54 PM

isn't it always about the breeding? anyways, just messing around. seriously though, i do feel there is more to the juxtaposition eugenics side of this experiement that could be explained later on in the episodes. aren't communes considered like this, where you get the same kind of person together in a group to poole their resources in mass? and use this to the group's beneft?

$ .02 worth

Druzliah

10-17-05, 12:32 AM

Also from Websters online dictionary
Juxtapositional : the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side; also : the state of being so placed

clayseason1

10-17-05, 01:08 AM

yeah it seems plausible.. but if it's all because of walt then how are the other passengers so interrelated
I think all of our survivors have abilities.

I think Susan manuevered Michael to intentionally get pregnant. I think she never had any intention of marrying Michael.

I think Claire's boyfriend substituted some other pill for her birth control pills so she would become pregnant. When Claire got pregnant, he talked her out of an abortion. Then when she was beyond the stage to get an abortion, he left her.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if all of the survivors are the end result of "planned" pregnancies.

DreaminLost

10-17-05, 01:44 AM

^^Clay,
I like your line of thinking. A lot.

I, too, think the people in our lost-away's lives before they got on the plane were manipulating them into situations.

DreaminLost

10-17-05, 01:47 AM

i think he's got some sort of meta powers that give him the ability to bring things he imagines to happen.
Be that as it may, it's still psychic ability, right?

Walt's got something going on that the Gorton fishermen KNEW about and WANT.

LoStMyMiNd

10-17-05, 01:57 AM

I like your theory

I too think thats why Claire's baby was wanted. But I also think that Rose is clairvoyant in a small way. I have been watching closely to see if anyone else posesses these abilities but so far only Walt, Aaron and Rose come to mind

DreaminLost

10-17-05, 02:06 AM

I too think thats why Claire's baby was wanted.
Do you think Aaron is 'special', too? Or maybe they want him because he's so young (blank slate) they can teach him/experiment with him?

They stole Danielle's baby for the same reason they wanted for Aaron, I presume. So that would mean that Ethan is working with the Gorton fishermen.

LoStMyMiNd

10-17-05, 02:19 AM

Yes I believe Ethan was part of the Gorton team. Thats why he wanted Claire so badly, enough to threaten Charlie with his life. They are planning a new society and taking the children to start it. Its all about the kids

DreaminLost

10-17-05, 11:57 AM

I think Claire's boyfriend substituted some other pill for her birth control pills so she would become pregnant.
Interesting thought. I remember now that she said she was taking the pill and didn't know how she could have gotten pregnant.

And I remember from past discussions that her boyfriend had a painting in his studio similar to the painting in the hatch. So similar it looked like it was done by the same artist.

Now I wonder if the psychic that gave her the ticket for the ill-fated flight was part of the grand plan.
Any thoughts?

DreaminLost

10-17-05, 12:33 PM

In "Raised by Another," Claire's boyfriend has a painting on his wall of this studio with white background and 3 faces outlined in black with the word Hello on the bottom. I know it's minor, but the camera stays on it for a while, so I'm wondering if we're meant to pay it some attention.
Constance wrote this ^^ on another thread.

So getting Claire pregnant and on that flight was part of the Master Plan orchestrated by...

Ophiliandra

10-17-05, 12:49 PM

Was Juxtiposition Eugenics ever mentioned in the show, or is it just on The Hanso Foundation's Website? I'm sort of a purist, and if it isn't in the show directly, it's sort of fair game for the creative staff to be messing with us.

The website lists it as: Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

That's J.E.D.I. It may just be a shout out to Star Wars fans.

juanbong

10-17-05, 02:37 PM

so far, it has just been mentioned on the website.

$ .02 worth

DreaminLost

10-17-05, 06:30 PM

Jesilu wrote:
If Eugenics means to breed selectively, and juxtapose means to place side by side for the purpose of contrasting, then couldn't this experiment mean that someone/some group is selectively breeding two contrasting groups of people?

Are these groups intended to further the experimentation on the island, or to have them battle and see who wins? Or something wholly unrelated that I haven't thought of yet...

This was posted on the Black & White thread. Loved it so much I had to post it over here.

Thoughts, anyone?

juanbong

10-17-05, 06:40 PM

Jesilu wrote:

Quote:
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If Eugenics means to breed selectively, and juxtapose means to place side by side for the purpose of contrasting, then couldn't this experiment mean that someone/some group is selectively breeding two contrasting groups of people?

Are these groups intended to further the experimentation on the island, or to have them battle and see who wins? Or something wholly unrelated that I haven't thought of yet...
-----------------------------------------------------------

Why would the experimenters want a battle royal with these people instead of keeping the experiment going? Unless the whole idea is to have them battle, which i seriously doubt, the continuation of the experiment would be the goal. Too much is going on, with Desmond asking Locke, "the world, it's still out there?", the numbers and inputing them in on a timed limit to ensure (?), why steal children-which goes back to continuing the situation, the sickness and Rosseau needing to kill her crew-now this does thrown me for a loop. If cloning is part of so called experiment, that goes to bettering the society (the island's society maybe). and we still don't know if this is really an experiment.
Although, maybe the others have figured out how to do stem cell research....

$ .02 worth

Jesilu

10-17-05, 07:08 PM

Or maybe the experiment itself is juxtapositional and the "breeding" is not meant literally.

You have the savage side of the island and the ordered/scientific side of the island. That is, the Others/TSS versus the Lostaways.

Clearly the TSS have had a very different experience on this island. If the Others know about the Lostaways, how come they have not bothered them as they've bothered the TSS?

Is it just territorial, or is it part of the experiment?

Then again, as I said before, maybe the juxtapositional eugenics is supposed to create something other than two warring factions, but definitely two distinct groups. But for what purpose?

Dreamin' thanks for copying my thread. I was going to, but I didn't want to double post!

~Jesilu

hirsh39

10-17-05, 07:22 PM

^^^^ is an interesting way of looking at it
i'f we're goin'g to subscribe to a theory that everyone on the plane was brought to the island for a reason, then possibly the two tribes (tail and main sections) were placed where they were so that they could breed with each other, and their juxtaposition to each other will have some effect on it, or they're competing to see who will create better eugenics

unclejohnsband

10-17-05, 07:35 PM

And to build on that hirsh, I wonder what part of this would involve Rose and Bernard (going back to the black and white idea) maybe Rose will step up as a "mother" figure, certainly has the qualities for it. Bernard is probably one of the oldest survivors could become a "father figure". I believe these two will be playing a bigger role over the next few weeks.

Kentstater72

10-17-05, 08:00 PM

1. They are developing a better human to go to the stars, the island is the gateway to the stars and a testing facility to determine the "worthy.

There is a program in place to manipulate the lives of chosen or placed children in the outside world. A group of "offshore others", that includes Walt's step father, the Marshall and the psychic.

We are seeing the story of some of the people they have plucked from the surface, I am sure that there were many that died in the crash and missed the flight, or the call to get onto flight 815.

Jesilu

10-20-05, 04:00 PM

I think a bump is justified here, considering the Others we saw in …And Found.

I definitely think these kids are being bred. It may even be the "incident."

Perhaps the zoologists got so excited about their cloning, they decided to try it on people, and something happened. Something they thought was great (and thus decided to continue doing), but the Dharma Overlords thought was reason enough to go into panic mode.

~Jesilu

cuba

10-20-05, 05:12 PM

I agree that there could be a selective breeding program on the island, but I'll need a lot more convincing before I believe that the lost-ees were somehow "chosen" to be on the plane by agents of Hanso or whoever back on the mainland.

1) Apart from Walt, what special qualities can we observe in any other castaway that would make him/her essential in a eugenics program?

2) So, an agent planned for Claire to get pregnant, then planned for her to see the psychic, then planned for her to be on the plane. How did an agent plan for Hurley to win the Lotto? (If he hadn't, he never would have gone to Australia).
Who gave Locke the idea of going on a walkabout? Oh, and who gave Walt's mother a fatal blood disorder so that Michael would come to Australia to take him back?

3) Not only did agents manipulate all these different people into taking the same plane, all at the same time, but - also purposefully brought the plane down so they could of course participate in the most exclusive breeding experiment on the planet. Too massive a conspiracy for me.

4) Remember the "incident"? I don't see any legitimate science experiments going on anywhere on the island, yet a plane was brought down so that our "special" castaways can serve as subjects in something that now seems to be defunct.

5) What about the Black Rock, the Beechcraft, and Danielle? Were they brought to the island on purpose as well?

Can it be that it still wasn't mere random chance that led our lostaways to crash on this island? Absolutely, I say, but I need another explanation.

Jesilu

10-20-05, 07:16 PM

I have to agree with you, cuba.

I'm not remotely convinced that our survivors were hand-picked.

What if the juxtapositional part of the eugenics refers to selectively breeding, animals and people.

It could be that the animals are being bred to kill and the people are being bred to hunt ever-more dangerous prey. So what happens if those people decide the most exciting prey is other people?

That could definitely explain the dwindling TSS.

My remaining question is about the Dark Territory. Are they breeding people and/or animals to defend the boundaries for some reason? Because that would certainly explain why our Lostaways have been relatively safe, while the TSS have been dwindling.

~Jesilu

musical geek

10-23-05, 11:28 PM

I know that someone may have posted something about this before...but, I noticed some things that may be of particular interest to you all.

On the Mission Statement for the Hanso Foundation, it says this words:

The Hanso Foundation: a commitment to encouraging excellence in science and technology and furthering the cause of human development.

What do they mean by this? There have been some theories about the Others floating around and the one which caught my attention was: The Others were part of an experiment with Dharma gone wrong. Is this the foundation which funded the Dharma corporation in their experiments?

Another quote from Alvar Hanso, the founder of the Hanso Foundation, from his personal and breif biography on the site:

… Hanso turned his attention to critical areas of science and technology - always searching for new ways to improve the human experience, and create a brighter future for all humanity.

Does he himself have something to do with the experiments performed the island? Is he connected to the island?

One more thing to bobble your minds, he was the man on the Dharma Orientation video that we looked from outside into a building window that freaked me out at least.

Hanso Foundation (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/) Click on this link to head towards the Hanso Foundation site.

Member of S.T.U.D.F.E.E.
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Our Season 2 Credo: Deface the Pace

Bekka

10-23-05, 11:53 PM

Hi, Geek!

Please add your thoughts here. (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=4446.topic)

THANKS!!!

Shaper

10-27-05, 02:36 PM

The correct URL is

www.thehansofoundation.org

DohBoy

10-27-05, 02:40 PM

If William of Occam has posted to this board, he would have grown a beard... :lol

salem2005

11-11-05, 11:39 AM

The Hanso Foundation Website has been updated. Under Active Projects, they now include a Press Release when you click on the Life-Extension Project. Here is a picture of that press release....

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/462/ltrpress6fe.th.gif (http://

salem2005

11-11-05, 11:44 AM

Oh, and I meant to add this to the post...it appears that some of their other stations are alive and well since the memo indicates a "telex" was received from one of their stations recently....

Danono

11-11-05, 12:37 PM

umm, experiment 626 is stitch

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/IDIDHISMONKEY/stitch.gif

devotdsatellite

11-11-05, 12:40 PM

i am really beginning to think they are not in the south pacific but off the western coast of africa. the nigerian plane could not have made it that far, and now they list the station as being in zanzibar which is an island off the western coast off africa.

is it possible the plane diverted that way, given what the pilot said? also if hanso is a huge rich guy, it makes sense that he could buy his own island and it keep abandoned on purpose through the use of ships on the perimeter, essentially creating his own country. just a thought.

also it says he was into advanced weaponry right? so the plane's radio is down, it diverts into air space that is forbidden, a no fly zone, they attempt to radio, but no response, hanso's people respond as tho it is a spy or weapon and shoot it down. giant laser, emp, i dont know. but this does all make sense.

ILikeLostBrunettes

11-11-05, 01:18 PM

Here is my opinion... What if this Zanzibar station exists because they abandoned our Losties' island years ago. Notice the date on the press release. "Sept 2005".

Maybe Hanso left our island and bought another one after the "incident".

devotdsatellite

11-11-05, 01:24 PM

also they first list the com guy's name as einar ragnarsson, but then they start referring to him as einarsson. thats odd? does anyway know anything about this dutch, and if this is common?

devotdsatellite

11-11-05, 01:38 PM

and some google searching yields that einar ragansson is a role play game character from intrepid heroes.com at least on the websites i could read in english. there also appear to be a few real people by the name.

einarsson- the first hit yields a swedish math prof who also works with super computers. coincidence? inspiration?

Jesilu

11-11-05, 02:42 PM

OK, normally I'm not one for grasping at straws, but I found the name JOOP very odd, so I typed it into my acronym finder.

The only answer (very unusual to get just one) was Journal of Object-Oriented Programming.

I actually think this is an interesting angle for the island, because Object-Oriented programming allows distinct objects within a program to react differently to different instructions, input, etc.

This would be a fantastic model for an island experiment gone wrong. In that, things may happen within the model that the programmer did not predict.

I know this is out there, and I'm not saying there's a definite connection or planted clue, but I never thought of this island through the eyes of a programmer before. And TPTB have always argued that this isn't a huge experiment, but you could semantically argue that a program test is not an experiment ...

~Jesilu

dweisspt@YAHOO.COM

11-11-05, 10:31 PM

First off - this means Dharma/Hanso is still in business. Does this imply they are in contact with the island?

Second - to me this confirms that biological research is the focus of the Hanso Dharma project. If they can double the Life span of a captive orangutan, they are exceeding the limits of current real science. I will make a guess they gave the orangutan the same serum Desmond is taking.

I think this means this show is about advanced bio research. No matter which way the writers make Dharma go, there will always be the problem of getting a television audiance to unerstand. I think this would be a cool way to go, the public is way more educated on medical/bio research than more technical time/space science. This seems to shed light on Desmonds questions about the health of the Losties and the serum he injects.

KOOLmike

11-11-05, 11:07 PM

I wonder if there's any significant anagrams for this guy's name...

umdesch4

11-11-05, 11:26 PM

Anybody else notice something? That press release has a hidden link at the bottom that points to http://thehansofoundation.org/khr.html

I did a quick check, and didn't see any other links from anywhere that point to khr.html. It is a garbled version of the usual 'access denied' page.

Any thoughts on what KHR could stand for?

umdesch4.

PS. But wait...there's more...the source for that page has some fascinating things in it. Analysing now...

umdesch4

11-11-05, 11:41 PM

Yup...code at the bottom of the page says:

<div style="position:absolute; top:185px; left:246px; visibility: hidden; z-index: 5;" id="datestamp"
>110,101,103,97,104,110,101,112,111,67|102,105,103, 46,111,104,119,95,114,116,108,47,115,101,103,97,10 9,105</div>

In ASCII, that reads: negahnepoc|fig.ohw_rtl/segami

....and yes, there is something at http://thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_who.gif

Not sure what to do with 'copenhagen' yet, but it might be the password for that form...typing as I discover...

salem2005

11-11-05, 11:52 PM

Yes, if you type in "Copenhagen" you receive another memo. This one is from the Global Health Organization warning them about the Violation of Ethical Guidelines and the Hanso Project.

If I can figure out how to link to an image here, I will post the picture of the memo...

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/573/copenhagen10hp.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copenhagen10hp.jpg)

umdesch4

11-11-05, 11:54 PM

LostViking

11-12-05, 12:26 AM

salem2005

11-12-05, 01:17 AM

That classified memo is huge! Meningitis must be the "illness" that Danielle spoke about. Also that might be what Desmond was referring to when he asked Jack if the Losties were showing any sickness. Could this leter suggest the Losties are on the island of Zanzibar?

I'm trying to be careful not to read too much into these clues we find on their websites...after all, the oceanic website also has script pages posted that turned out not to be real (at least not yet). So, while I enjoy reading and posting about these "easter eggs", I'm not going to put all my "eggs" in one basket! :)

kiwipat

11-12-05, 01:56 AM

Yes I hope we don't all wind up being JOOPed (ie Duped) by this...

Meningitus? is it really so bad one has to kill one's colleagues too stop it getting out?

Crandyman

11-12-05, 02:02 AM

Meningitus is pretty dangerous if not contained.

Wait.....hold on. I think my grandma might have it as we speak.

*gets out steak knife and throws it at granny*

There we go.....You can never be too safe now can ya!

Chinamom

11-12-05, 04:08 AM

salem2005, great work! Thanks for sleuthing. Those were fun to read, even if they're just Easter eggs. It sure sounds like it could tie in to the "sickness" though, doesn't it?

I'm curious about the comment in the second letter that says the Global Health Organization (I might not have that all correct) is going to attempt send a team to try to contact the Hanso Foundation agent AGAIN...so what happened the first time to warrant such an inspection, and why did it not take place? Hmmm...

truffula

11-12-05, 04:32 AM

I don't know about yal, but I'm lovin this website maze of hidden clues and info. So now I understand that the individual running mrclucks.com is one of the writers from S1, and has the blessing of ABC/Disney to go forth as an "anonymous/unofficial" website(s). I for one, can't wait to see what happens on monday at oceanicworldair.com.
All this business on the Hanso site adds yet ANOTHER piece to the webmaze I am trying to decipher. I get the feeling that there will be more of this as sweeps month progresses.
See my notes in the mrclucks.com thread to see what I'm talking about if you missed it.

Peace,
Truff

lostmio

11-12-05, 05:20 AM

See my notes in the mrclucks.com thread to see what I'm talking about if you missed it.

I can't find it, which forum is it in?

McBain

11-12-05, 05:42 AM

Meningitus? is it really so bad one has to kill one's colleagues too stop it getting out?

I was thinking the same thing.

Bacterial meningitis can be fatal, but in most cases it can be treated with antiobiotics. Viral meningitis is not all that uncommon (the West Nile virus is the cause of one form of viral meningitis) but there are no specific treatments for it since antibiotics do not work against viruses. In either case you don't go around killing people to prevent the spread of the disease.

So did the transgenic LEP experiments not only increase Joop's lifespan, but also create some form of superbug? One that is not only easily transmissable but also unbelievably lethal and requires the services of one or more hatch monkeys to contain the spread of the disease?

truffula

11-12-05, 06:39 PM

Lostmio aka Biscuitmom, here is the link you requested:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6705&page=3

lostmio

11-12-05, 11:57 PM

Hey Truf, Thanks.
I found it, read it, and replied to it last night but oddly my reply is now gone, along with a few other posts I made...

drabauer

11-13-05, 12:36 AM

Lostmio, there was a website crash this morning that apparently wiped out all posts made after a certain time (and all changes made, to profiles and such). I hope that is the last "glitch" in the system!

Yes, please speculate on the websites. It is far too much for one person to keep up with!

truffula

11-13-05, 12:42 AM

LostViking

11-13-05, 01:15 AM

I'm trying to be careful not to read too much into these clues we find on their websites...after all, the oceanic website also has script pages posted that turned out not to be real (at least not yet). So, while I enjoy reading and posting about these "easter eggs", I'm not going to put all my "eggs" in one basket!

I guess I shouldn't jump the gun on this, but this would be a huge plot line - engineered bacteria strain gets out of control. I can see how it would explain a lot!

Druzliah

11-13-05, 03:01 AM

Well, do any of our Losty's show such symptoms?

Wikipedia
Meningococcal
Neisseria meningitidis, also simply known as meningococcus is a gram-negative bacterium best known for its role in meningitis. It only infects humans, there is no animal reservoir. It is the only form of bacterial meningitis to cause epidemics.
Meningitis is the most well publicised condition. Whilst a non-specific illness initially, this can rapidly progress through fever, headache and neck stiffness to coma and death. The mortality is approximate 10% of cases. Suspicion of meningitis is a medical emergency and immediate medical assessment is recommended.Septicaemia ("blood poisoning") has received much less public attention, but has been linked to infant deaths. Whilst there may be an absence of the classical meningitis symptoms, the presence of a non-blanchable purpuric rash is easily ignored by those not aware of its significance. Septicaemia carries an approximate 50% mortality rate over a few hours from initial onset. Anyone developing a rash that does not turn white ("non-blanching") if pressed with a glass is encouraged to attend a hospital casualty department as soon as possible. Waterhouse-Friderichsen syndrome a massive, usually bilateral, hemorrhage into the adrenal glands caused by fulminant infection.

UK policy is that any General Practitioner doctor seeing a suspected case of meningococcus meningitis or septicaemia should give intravenous antibiotics (benzylpenicillin) whilst hospital admission is sought. The possible reduction in subsequent microbiological confirmation of infection, due to starting treatment before testing, is offset by the reduced mortality.

Not all cases of a purpura-like rash are due to septicaemia, but the other causes also need prompt investigation (eg ITP, a platelet disorder).

Strains
There are many strains of meningococcus, clinically the most important are A, B, C and W135:

A - occurs most often in sub-sahara Africa and vaccination is recommended prior to travel with the Men A&C vaccine.
B - is the most lethal form, comprising 40% of UK cases. The changing nature of the B group has prevented formation of a general B vaccine in the UK. However there has been developed the vaccine MeNZB against a specific strain of group B meningococcus, currently being trialled in New Zealand.
C - caused approximately 60% of UK cases before the introduction of successful vaccination programme for infants. Previously the unconjugated C component of Men A&C was ineffective in those under 2 years. The development of a conjugated form (Men C conj) was needed to provoke infant immunity.
W135 - is particularly a problem for those undergoing annual pilgrimage to Mecca. It is a requirement of Saudi Arabia that all those intending to go on Hajj have a certificate of Men W135 vaccination.
Those with impaired immunity may be at particular risk of meningococcus, e.g. those with nephrotic syndrome or splenectomy. In asplenia (removed or non-functioning spleen), vaccination is performed according to protocols.

I seem to remember in the episode where they are golfing, a redshirt having a very very bad rash.

lostmio

11-13-05, 05:01 AM

there was a website crash this morning that apparently wiped out all posts made after a certain time (and all changes made, to profiles and such).

Thanks DrA, I knew there had been a crash but since no else had mentioned missing posts I thought it was just mine. :o

salem2005

11-13-05, 10:04 AM

Thanks for the info dra. I was up posting pretty late last night, and I wasn't sure if it was a dream!! :boggled: A bunch of my posts from last night were missing this AM. Now I know why. :)
I know this isn't directly Hanso, but is anyone else psyched to see what happens on oceanicworldair.com on Mon.? I sure am...:hyper:

Peace,
Truff

Truff,

I went to that site (oceanicworldair.com) and nothing seems to be working on it...what is supposed to happen on Monday? Or, a better question is perhaps, why do you think something will happen on Monday?

Loveriot

11-13-05, 11:00 AM

So now I understand that the individual running mrclucks.com is one of the writers from S1, and has the blessing of ABC/Disney to go forth as an "anonymous/unofficial" website(s).

See my notes in the mrclucks.com thread to see what I'm talking about if you missed it.

Truff,

Oh wow! Cool! How did you find out that it's a S1 writer running Mrclucks.com?

I saw your notes in the Mr. Cluck's thread....holy moly! You did a lot of work on that!

hollywoodkids

11-13-05, 11:31 AM

A quick yahoo search reveals KHR-1 is a robot. Don't know if that means anything in the Lost universe. I suppose that would explain how they survived the crash. But I think that's reaching.

ZigbertToshicus

11-13-05, 04:48 PM

Salem --

Wow, great work on finding that hidden document. I note the virus is crossing the simian/human barrier, according to the letter. Does this make it seem more likely that some of the experiments have to do with mixing up DNA from difference species?

truffula

11-13-05, 08:23 PM

Salem, they changed something. Originally it had certian types of flights to be ready to be "booked" on Mon Nov 14, and more on (I think it was either) Sun Nov 20 or Tues Nov 22. Now it's just one big launch date - Wed (LostDay) Nov 23.
I'm sure I saw the thing on the 14th cause I made a desktop sticky for it when I saw it. I think they're havin technical troubles perhaps and the programmers wanted another week to make sure they got it all wigged out for us to try to decipher.
And as far as how I know the mrclucks guy is writer from S1, I honestly forget where in all the digging I saw it. But there was something about an email from some exec at abc/disney emailing this guy telling him it was okay to do his thing. And another about working together on next update - this is why I think whatever is gonna happen at oceanicworldair.com is gonna be NUTS. If memory also serves me I think he came out and identified himself (maybe on Fuselage?) and said about the podcast link "I'm not affiliated with that show, I just happen to like it" or something like that. As we were under the impression that mrclucks.com was just run by the podcast guys, this was nice to know.
We'll see.....:hyper:

Peace,
Truff

salem2005

11-13-05, 08:50 PM

happywhaleproductions

11-14-05, 06:40 AM

Meningitis is quite severe in New Zealand. All young people under 21 have to be vaccinated against the more serious strain, the one mentioned with the rash and vomiting symptoms.

llywrch

11-14-05, 05:28 PM

One thing to consider about this "Meningitis" outbreak is that it could be a smokescreen for a much more serious disease. Meningitis is common enough, & with adequate warning can be treated & contained; a quarantine for it won't raise any eyebrows.

However, an outbreak of an unknown pathogen would set off all sorts of warning bells & lead to military intervention from nations with far more resources than any one wealthy individual; even Bill Gates would be hard-pressed to come up with the resources to withstand a combat regiment from any first-world nation. Look at the current attention around the world about a possible the avian flu pandemic; I'm sure some will still remember the concern about Ebola & HIV.

Whatever the "sickness" might be, I suspect it's worse than Meningitis -- which would be a nightmare for our characters with their limited medical resources.

Geoff

see you in the next life

11-14-05, 05:50 PM

Ilywrch, I like your thinking here. Perhaps it is just a smokescreen intended to throw the GHO off......how, in fact, would the GHO have been able to lint this outbreak to the research that Hanso is doing at the Life Extension Project, since they haven't been given access to the "lab" (for lack of a better word to describe it). I think we are possibly reading too much into this. Perhaps the purpose of the appearance of these 2 letters is to inform us that not all of the stations are on craphole island....and that the Hanso Foundation is still operating the Dharma Initiative....and that in all circumstances the 7 projects (whether on craphole island or not) are involved in nefarious activities. I say this only because with the appearance of the second hatch (where the tailies have been holed up), everyone seemed to immediately assume that all of the Dharma stations were located on craphole island. This is not necessarily true. I think, clearly, many speculated that the Dharma Initiative had been abandoned (this is why Desmond ended up punching in the numbers.....he was available but NOT a a normal trainee). These are important things that the letter sort of confirms. Maybe the activities in the life - extension project won't really have any SPECIFIC bearing on the activities on craphole island other than to confirm that Dharma and Hanso are still alive and kicking in other locations. What do you think?

dzukunft

11-14-05, 09:13 PM

I'm sure I saw the thing on the 14th cause I made a desktop sticky for it when I saw it. I think they're havin technical troubles perhaps and the programmers wanted another week to make sure they got it all wigged out for us to try to decipher.

Actually, they waited until Nov. 14th because today is my birthday. It was my wish. And today is super special and concerns the Numbers: If you subtract 16 from 42, you get my age. Dumb and shameless self-promotion, I know.

Cool find, though.

Shaper

11-15-05, 11:20 AM

And as far as how I know the mrclucks guy is writer from S1, I honestly forget where in all the digging I saw it. But there was something about an email from some exec at abc/disney emailing this guy telling him it was okay to do his thing.

Not to say you're definitely wrong, but I just read the whole Mr Clucks thread you linked to, and it doesn't look like he's even pseudo-official, really. You (or someone) says on there that you vaguely remember him saying something about being a writer for Lost season 1 doing the site with ABC's blessing... but the only evidence that's even referred to is a posting on the Mr Clucks site (so hardly credible), and many other people in the thread don't seem to buy it either.

FWIW I'm pretty sure Mr Clucks is a hoax/spoof/fansite, just like oceanicworldair.com.

truffula

11-15-05, 04:18 PM

salem2005

11-15-05, 04:21 PM

Just so yal don't think I'm a COMPLETE idiot - Yes, I acknowledge that mrclucks and oceanic worldair websites are NOT directly affiliated with LOST. But someone spent their time to come up with these websites, even if it was just to mess with us. And I, for one, am having alot of fun with it. When people are still goin on about "I know what Walt said", this provides some needed ENTERTAINMENT. Let me just say that word once more - ENTERTAINMENT.
Hope that clears up my stance on these sites, I will continue to dig and research the fake sites as well as the real ones for anyone who cares.

Peace,
Truff

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with it either...even though I don't think they are "official" sites, it's still fun (entertainment) to search around on them and find things. If you are really into this show (like most of us are) it's fun to do this even if it's not truly affiliated with the show. Keep up the good work Truff!

p0s3r

11-15-05, 05:35 PM

You guys have a lot of free time then.

the_real_ptb

11-15-05, 06:01 PM

:pissed: WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE!?

sorry :)

Here's a copy of the important part of the current Mr. Clucks site. It seems to be a map of the island with several points marked. You can also see a separate small island on the right (south according to the map).

Could these points mark the location of the six stations? Not sure what the blinking green mark would denote. Maybe the original crash site? If it was, that would put the camps near enough to the Swan to make sense. If that is the case, is that a landing strip up at the other end of the island? Could be where the supplies are coming from.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/the_real_ptb/mrclucksmap.gif

At the bottom it says "view source"

This is the page that says "--This site is not created by ABC or Touchstone. As a former writer for the show 'LOST' I have inside knowledge that serious fans may want to have. Instead of just leaking this info, I thought I would have a little fun and present it in code. Also I have nothing to do with the podcast I am linking to. I am just a big fan of it. - Quinn--"

Maybe, just maybe the person behind this knows something?

okkent

11-18-05, 08:48 PM

How long has this been on the Hanso Foundation site?
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_press.gif

***Welcome, okkent. Please read the Welcome Forum & familiarize yourself with the board. There are already several threads about this, and I will merge your post with the main one (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6670&highlight=hanso%2Bfoundation+website%2B). :-)***

Streetballa116

11-18-05, 08:59 PM

I dont know but I saw it on another site.

Crandyman

11-18-05, 09:02 PM

Hey okkent and welcome to Losttv-forum.com have fun and look around.

This has been up for about a week and is currently being talked about. If you would like to see what others are saying about the updated site please do so here:

HANSO WEBSITE UPDATED 11.11.05 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6670&highlight=Hanso+Foundation)

Bekka

11-18-05, 09:03 PM

Bumping due to thread merge. :)

Ironwulvt Swornd

11-19-05, 12:50 AM

Ok something to consider...

The changes to the Hanso site may not matter at all in the scheme of things. There was something I noticed looking at it that has not been pointed out yet(that I'm noticing reading through thread, if it has, slap my wrist)

on the khr.html part (the one where you enter the password), examine the source for the page. Specifically the code for setting up the two buttons (speaking of, anyone figured out the 2nd button?).

in the code for the buttons is this :


Its possible this was all done by some hacker of the site...

there's also the possibility the site has been storyline hacked (which may mean a group opposed to Hanso Foundation perhaps)

But, like I was saying, theres the chance the site itself has been hacked by outside sources and the two memo's we see are not done by the people behind Lost at all.

kiwipat

11-23-05, 04:44 AM

The Hanso homepage appears to be inaccessable:

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

But apparently you can still get to other pages on the site.

Is the homepage being updated:confused:

Hurley4Prez

11-23-05, 05:24 AM

Is the homepage being updated:confused:
Let's hope so! That would be sweet.:itmdrool:

suffice

11-23-05, 08:13 AM

I'm a first time poster, and i've searched as much as possible for the answer to this question, and here seems to be the place to ask... Has anyone been able to access the video or whatever is loading on this page?

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

I tried to use streamdown to download it but you need a username and password... I found the link when browsing www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org) and clicked on 'active projects' link if you mouse down past the text 'dhama initiative' pops up. Has anyone found out what is loading there as it never seems to load on whichever PC i use.

suffice

11-23-05, 08:18 AM

Doogie Talons

11-23-05, 10:23 AM

Just a quick post, relating to the Map of the Island in the earlier post.It seems to me there could be a set of "Others" controlling the other "Others", perhaps from the even smaller Island off the South Coast ( on the right of the pic ). This could be where the small boat moors and where the more advanced "Others" control the feral ones.

Sledgeweb

11-23-05, 12:51 PM

The image is actually located here: http://thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_gho.gif

Yup...code at the bottom of the page says:

<div style="position:absolute; top:185px; left:246px; visibility: hidden; z-index: 5;" id="datestamp"
>110,101,103,97,104,110,101,112,111,67|102,105,103, 46,111,104,119,95,114,116,108,47,115,101,103,97,10 9,105</div>

In ASCII, that reads: negahnepoc|fig.ohw_rtl/segami

....and yes, there is something at http://thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_who.gif

Not sure what to do with 'copenhagen' yet, but it might be the password for that form...typing as I discover...

see you in the next life

11-23-05, 03:03 PM

This has been mentioned in another thead......but if we know that Flight 815 crashed in September 2004......then the Joop letter and the Global Health letter are indications of events that are going to occur later......in other words, in real craphole island time, Joop has not celebrated this milestone birthday and the meningitis outbreak has not yet occurred.

nicolbw

11-23-05, 07:52 PM

How do we know the plane crashed in 2004? I have not seen any sign or heard anything on the actual show to indicate what year it is. The only year I've seen is on an unoffical website. I'm just wondering if I missed something.

see you in the next life

11-23-05, 08:48 PM

check sledgeweb timeline, for one. He can confirm it better than I but I think pretty much everyone is agreement now that it crashed in 2004.

AncientMariner

11-28-05, 01:50 PM

As of 9:48am ET on 11/28 the hanso foundation front page (www.thehansofoundation.org) is empty - viewing source reveals only:

<html><body></body></html>

However, all the back pages (active projects, bio, mission) are intact. Should we be getting ready for an update?

truffula

11-28-05, 02:11 PM

On break at work, 10:15 am EST, hanso frontpage is still blank.
Oooh, an update would be sweet!!!
Gonna check back at lunch - hope there's new goodies!!

Peace,
Truff

Hurley4Prez

11-28-05, 02:47 PM

I'm seeing the original site up (10:47am). What site are you guys checking out?

truffula

11-28-05, 04:09 PM

On lunch break, 12:10 pm EST, Hurley4Prez, I'm still getting a blank window at Hanso site. Maybe their server is having trouble or something.
I'll check back later to see what I can see.

Peace,
Truff

salem2005

11-28-05, 04:11 PM

I'm seeing the original site up (10:47am). What site are you guys checking out?

I can view the site also...I'm not sure why Truff can't see it on his end....

truffula

11-28-05, 04:18 PM

I have no clue why I can't see it. Still gettin blank window. The source code says this:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"></HEAD>
<BODY></BODY></HTML>

and that's it. I know it's not my CPU at work, cause here is where I can actually see the flights page on OWA.com.
Not that important. I'm sure if there's an update yal will be all over it.

Peace,
Truff

AncientMariner

11-28-05, 05:15 PM

Just an update:

It's 1:12pm ET and still no page - if you're still seeing it, try refreshing your browser - you might also want to clear your cache if that doesn't work. The page has definitely been excised.

Perhaps it's not a new update but a (ham-fisted) means of hiding the life-extension update? I don't see why they would want to kill the site, though.

P.S. I don't think it's a server issue - if it was, I wouldn't be able to view source and see the blank HTML tags.

see you in the next life

11-28-05, 05:58 PM

Hey Truff....don't know if this will help. I have the HANSO FOUNDATION link saved in my favorites. When I go to favorites and try to open the link that way.....blank page. If I go to yahoo and do a search for HANSO, and then click on the link....it opens.

ALSO, MUCH THANKS TO YOU ALL FOR CONTINUING TO SEARCH OCEANICWORLDAIR.COM AND RELATED SITES.....I WAS UNABLE TO ACCESS THE COMPUTER OVER THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND SO I HAD A TON OF READING TO DO THIS MORNING AT WORK.....I LOVE YOU GUYS BUT AM SURE MY EMPLOYER WISHES YOU WERE ALL DEAD. THE THINGS THEY PAY ME FOR.......SEARCHING LOST FORUMS, ETC.....I SHOULD BE ASHAMED. :celebrate

truffula

11-28-05, 09:17 PM

Well, I'm home, and the site is there (in my favorites) and nothing has changed.
Must've been something with my CPU at work after all.
Oh well, maybe one of the other sites will hook us up with something good today. We'll see.

Peace,
Truff

froshaka

11-29-05, 04:17 AM

JohnLocke

11-29-05, 03:11 PM

That showed up a long time ago...use the search feature next time

salem2005

11-29-05, 09:26 PM

My extreme apologies if this is not new information.

I was just on www.thehansofoundation.org and I clicked on their 'Active Projects' link. The link to The Hanso Life-Extension Project (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/lep.html) now has a document that comes up.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html

talking about a 105 year old chimp on one of their experimental islands in Zanzibar(?)

Yes, we have a whole thread in the General Discussion area on this...there is also a second memo that you can access from this first document. You can go read all about it in the existing thread at:

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6670

Howze

11-30-05, 06:34 PM

Hi everybody i'm new to this but have found something intresting but don't know if its been covered. If you go to this link all will be explained:

Cheers x http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanso_Foundation

LostInWilderness

11-30-05, 10:08 PM

Welcome to the board Howze, and thanks for the link. Please read the welcome forum, look around and have fun.

I did a search for hanso foundation, and found a thread to merge your post into.

salem2005

12-01-05, 04:02 AM

So this is very interesting. AND it's "Official".
The GHO have recinded their threats to Hanso now that he's donated a butt load of money to their "Defense program".
And just how it starts "Given the current state of World affairs, it is more difficult than ever to guard against the continuing emergence of new threats to the population".
The "current" state of world affairs. This has officially scrambled my brain.
Thank you Damon.
Thank you very much.

Peace,
Truff

What do you make of "MOLE" as the "who is this" on the computer screen right before it flashes to the memo?

truffula

12-01-05, 04:15 AM

Well, that's where in the Ep types in "this is Michael" (i think).
So not to spoil the Ep, they have MOLE instead. I don't think Mike is a Hanso Mole or anything like that.
Other than those thoughts, I'm still scrambled eggs in the brain for now.

Peace,
Truff

ILoveEko

12-01-05, 04:25 AM

I tried using MOLE, Mole and mole as member id's for Dharma. None of which worked. I also tried typing in Hello? and MOLE. in the area to type in the numbers.

truffula

12-01-05, 04:31 AM

Since I have NO CLUE what I've just found, I'll just let yal sort this one out. With the Black Horse tonight, the first thing I thought was WEBSITE. And what do you know:
http://www.blackhorse.com
About German reunions in 2008 or 2009.
There were specualtions of a "German" nature earlier, so I thought just maybe, this is one of the NEW sites.
Anyone?

(growing very tired)
Peace,
Truff

see you in the next life

12-01-05, 04:26 PM

Truff....did you get another e-mail from Candle with spoilers for last night's episode?

One of them said don't trust the horse.....Did you get that message?

ILoveEko

12-01-05, 04:38 PM

Ditto to syintl. I can't figure it out...

truffula

12-01-05, 04:42 PM

SYITNL - Yeah I got the email. All agents of KCSP got it.
And I can't figure out why we're not to "trust the horse"?
But he was right on about everything. Now the question is - did he read the summary of the Ep in the Spoilers forum? OR Is it someone affiliated with the show? I think it's most likely the first.

Lunch break is over. BOOO Work.
Peace,
Truff

ILoveEko

12-01-05, 04:51 PM

LOL Truff.<br>
And yeah, I'm thinking the same thing... It's quite possible that they read the spoiler.<br>
Although, from the spolier, how did they pull to not trust the horse?<br>
Hmmm.<br>

yung23

12-02-05, 05:03 PM

I still like the idea time has continued outside the island..
that may explain only 48 days passing there and it still appearring as 2004/2005, yet outside it is even later than 2012..
or just comng up to it.. we have seen an nfl draft that goes to 2012 and the copyright on oceanic (which &*^& one?) is 2009..

ILoveEko

12-02-05, 05:53 PM

yung, that could be possible. SYTNL, I don't know what to make of the letters/dates. I'd like to believe that they are in fact on the island and that there was a plane crash. Sure, the plane could have been brought down by something on the island... The Swan deals with electromagnetics. Maybe Desmond did something wrong causing some forces to screw up and bring down the plane?

stilllost

12-02-05, 05:58 PM

dr.candle is a traitor to hanzo, he lost his arm to him.

truffula

12-02-05, 06:50 PM

stilllost - are you sure Candle is the one who is the traitor?

SYITNL - I feel that the dates are extremely important to what's goin on. Like Yung said, Island time is a weird thing, not like the rest of the world. I would go on more, but I'm at work.

More later.
Peace,
Truff

ILoveEko

12-02-05, 07:23 PM

I was going through the Hanso site today... again, lol.
We all know he did work with armaments.
He did work on "sophisticated weapons systems".
Could the 'security system' be a part of it or one of them?

And I agree with Truff.
I don't think Candle is the bad guy here. At least that note leads me more in that direction. Alvar is taking off.
How come?

Is he being threatened? Is someone going to tip someone off about something he has done?

There are so many questions. Many of which Truff may know answers to, lmao.

We need you Truff :p

- ILE.

Man Of Faith

12-13-05, 06:27 PM

Yea it is just the orientation video you have to have macromedia flash player 8 to watch it

oldpolitico

01-05-06, 06:30 PM

The letters on the Hanso site are gone, replaced by a file named spacer.gif

truffula

01-05-06, 06:32 PM

Oh snap. oldpolitico is RIGHT!!! Nice catch!! :D
The last time this happened, remember what we got.....MOLE.
Something is coming.

Peace,
Truff

ILoveEko

01-05-06, 06:42 PM

Dammit. I'm getting so freakin' hyped up here.
This better not be a big let down!
I've got some cleaning up to do, but I won't be far from the computer.
Thanks oldpolitico!!!

Lab

01-05-06, 06:48 PM

I saved spacer, although right now it is just a blank doc/photo/file.

ILoveEko

01-05-06, 07:02 PM

I'm so dedicated and fiending something official, I stegoed that spacer image! Haha.

SanityAmongstChaos

01-05-06, 07:54 PM

I'm not one to get overexcited, but it's a bit early to be updating the Hanso page for next weeks episode. They wouldn't want to spoil it a week ahead of time. Could it actually relate to the Hanso/Candle battle?

agrillo

01-05-06, 07:58 PM

You know I noticed the blank pages earlier, but I didn't think anything of it because the web site's been wacky lately. At least for me.

ILoveEko

01-05-06, 07:58 PM

I hope it means something good...
And Sanity, you're about to make 100! Congrats!

raiderfan43

01-05-06, 08:26 PM

I agree Truff, on the whole VDM thing, not real convinced that OWA is not affiliated in some form

SanityAmongstChaos

01-05-06, 09:28 PM

All three memos are gone all right. I even went into the khr page to be sure. I put in "Copenhagen" like usual, but instead of the memo , I saw this wierd picture of a desk with all kinds of junk around it and some papers hanging on the wall. I'll try to save it and post in a couple of minutes. I think there might be something in the picture...

Nah, not really. But how many of you were about to race off to the Hanso site and look for Copenhagen? Why did they go into the pages and put in blank images rather than taking the images out completely? Whoever manages the Hanso site is sloppy enough, I can almost believe in Copenhagen in retrospect.

aggiesean

01-05-06, 09:30 PM

Lab

01-05-06, 09:30 PM

ILoveEko

01-05-06, 09:36 PM

Apparently www.bigspaceship.com (http://www.bigspaceship.com) is responsible for the Hanso official site. As well as oceanic-air and oceanicflight185... Which are both well done sites, so maybe the Hanso site is supposed to be kinda crappy?
Maybe to show a lack of usage after so many years since the DI started?

ETA: I also was about to press ALT+Tab and rush over to the Hanso site, lol.

yung23

01-06-06, 04:40 AM

done. so hows alvar tonight ?

is candle gone ? or did he live ?

I am still undecided on who to side" with.

ILoveEko

01-06-06, 04:42 AM

yung, we have no idea.
We haven't had any new updates yet. Alvar thinks they are dead, but they have not confirmed that bodies/remians have been uncovered.

ILoveEko

01-07-06, 01:37 AM

You know...
I was looking at the site, something made me wonder.
This:
The Hanso Life-Extension Project (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html)

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/emri.html)

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/qeti.html)

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mfi.html)

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/cdi.html)

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/jedi.html)

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/arvtf.html)

Why does the EMRI one say, "The Hanso Foundation" but the rest just say "The Hanso"...

I guess it could just be so we recognize which one is relative to the show right now?

truffula

01-07-06, 03:06 AM

Yes, ILE, there is that.
But there is also the massive amount of space to the right of Alvar's bio page that has NO explanation.
Copenhagen anyone?
Just kidding. ;) This is a good point to thank Hodag for all the excitement he provided for us during the Evil Hiatus.
One of the greatest hoaxes I've ever seen. And pulled off so well, with class - that's what I liked about it most in the end (after I had time to pick up my shattered jaw!).
Nice work, and Thanks Alot for the extra effort!

Peace,
Truff

ILoveEko

01-07-06, 03:06 AM

I do agree with the massive space ;)

Typhonae

01-07-06, 04:44 AM

The website's been slow-loading for me, and when I tried to load up the Life Extension project to read the image, it didn't load. However, part of where the image was to be, there was a link.

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/khr.html

It's pretty strange looking, but looking at the page source, you get this :

<div style='position:absolute; top:285px; left:346px; z-index: 3;' id="entry">

<form name="h4x" id="h4x" action="#" method="POST" onSubmit="return c(this.p455.value);">
<input type="password" id="p455" name="p455" maxlength="25" size="10"
/>  <input type="button" name="Submit" value="Submit" onClick="c(this.form.p455.value);"
/><br /> <br /> <br /> <input type="button" />
</form>
</div>Intentional by the Lost production, or just plain hacked?

Mystic-Flame

01-07-06, 04:49 AM

this should be in lost-spin off , but great find!

Typhonae

01-07-06, 05:05 AM

Hmm you're right, motion to have this thread moved.

damritelost

01-07-06, 05:19 AM

Saw this awhile ago. Didn't know what to make of it. Then all of a sudden it went back to normal.Haven't seen it since. Note; hitting "back" doen't work on either page.

SanityAmongstChaos

01-07-06, 07:48 AM

But there is also the massive amount of space to the right of Alvar's bio page that has NO explanation.
The extra space is from the hidden numbers at the bottom of the page. They are invisible but still take up room. If you save the page on your computer and remove those numbers, the extra space disappears.

(edited for spelling)

ILoveEko

01-07-06, 01:21 PM

But would htere be a meaning for those numbers?

SanityAmongstChaos

01-07-06, 01:38 PM

The numbers hold the command to load the "mole" movie. They are backwards ASCII encoding (the way a computer stores text).

SanityAmongstChaos

01-07-06, 01:40 PM

BTW, I sent an email to what I think is the person in charge of the site. I let them know about the missing images in case it was an actual oversight. I'll let you all know if I get a response.

ETA: The message wasn't bounced back quickly as an invalid address, so there's hope someone will actually read. No telling when, though, or if they will reply.

ILoveEko

01-07-06, 01:41 PM

Thanks Sanity :)
So the numbers are a peice of the code to make the MOLE thing play, but why do they add some a huge amount of space to the side? Is every number in that space somehow or something?

ETA: Good thinking. Although, apparently, before they updated the site with the MOLE thing with Alvar's picture, his pic was also the 'spacer' image, so it may mean UPDATE! :p

SanityAmongstChaos

01-07-06, 01:42 PM

It's a very long string of numbers. Look at the source yourself. It's right near the bottom. You can't miss it.

ILoveEko

01-07-06, 01:46 PM

Yup.
Very long. So basically those numbers running so far across like that in the source are doing the same thing on the page... Thanks.

Mystic-Flame

01-07-06, 06:50 PM

No hints in the source as to what the pass is. =/

keepthefaith

01-08-06, 01:04 AM

I'm ready for a real update on th Hanso site so there can be more action in here again, although Agents and Gold Members keeps me plenty entertained!

SanityAmongstChaos

01-09-06, 08:14 PM

I haven't received any reply from my attempt to write to the maintainers of thehansofoundation.org. I've gotten two warnings that the message is delayed. One more try before it gives up. Based on the messages I'm seeing, it looks like there is no mail server associated with thehansofoundation.org. Maybe I'll try the ad agency that runs it.

SanityAmongstChaos

01-09-06, 08:23 PM

Looking around the bigspaceship website, I noticed that they seem to be trying to build a web production team. I wonder if the Lost web presence got to be too much for the staff they already had.

(Or maybe the webmaze has grown much more than they anticipated and they need some help to keep up with all of us. ;) )

ILoveEko

01-10-06, 10:14 PM

The 'jedi' page is just the link for this one:
The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/jedi.html)
Or was it not called that before?

truffula

01-10-06, 10:16 PM

Not sure if that's new, but I've never noticed it before.
Very cool.
The HANSO Jedi Initiative.
AWESOME.
Count me in! :D

Peace,
Truff

Hodag

01-10-06, 10:17 PM

The 'jedi' page is just the link for this one:

Or was it not called that before?

Yeah. My fubar. I figured it out and deleted the question before you could finish replying.

I went in my browser's history and *thought* I pulled up the index.htm file, but I clicked something else (the jedi.html). It surprised me that the page loaded (because index.htm was blank). I thought I was redirected to a new jedi.html file.

Oh well.

SanityAmongstChaos

01-12-06, 08:54 PM

Does anyone else wonder about the continued state of disrepair of thehansofoundation.org? Those pictures have been broken for over a week now, and there has been no update related to the new episode.

I'm beginning to wonder if the site is being retooled or simply abandoned. Maybe TPTB decided that they don't want to go as much into Hanso/Dharma as people are thinking. Maybe they just decided the side story of Joop and Zanzibar was too far off from where Lost is really going to go.

I just get the sense that the web site has become something of an ugly stepchild in the eyes of TPTB and they are hoping they can hide it away in the attic and pretend it never existed.

I hope I'm wrong about this.

ILoveEko

01-12-06, 09:00 PM

I hope so too, cuz it's a key to the Maze.
One of the only officially confirmed sites.

Penelope

01-12-06, 11:40 PM

Sanity you may be on to something there. It has been sort of defunked for quite some time. Although where is this story going then? One thought of hope: Locke did show Michael how to shoot at a Dharma detergent bottle last night! I can't see how they can completely abandon Dharma/Hanso though, not without a complete revamping of the story and its arcs...

Tank in Texas

01-12-06, 11:44 PM

I can't see how they can completely abandon Dharma/Hanso though, not without a complete revamping of the story and its arcs...

What if Dharma/Hanso isn't really all that important anyhow? Perhaps, like some people, TPTB are of the opinion that all the focus is being drawn away from the main event, which is the development of the characters? Maybe we're placing too much focus on the rubrics of the island's past and they wish to warn us away from doing that.

killbuckner

01-13-06, 08:35 PM

SAC- my theory for a while has been that the dharma thing is just a story concocted to trick people into choosing to stay in the hatch. That the button actually doesn't do anything, but is just there to give people a reason to stay. They will certainly have to follow through- but the whole idea of this being some sort of big corporate conspiracy always struck me as wrong.

SanityAmongstChaos

01-13-06, 08:56 PM

I'm still holding my judgment on the legitimacy of the maze, so I figure both sides deserve to be represented in this discussion. So check out this post by Truffula:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=298416&postcount=26

It presents an alternative to my idea that Hanso has no real future. If the webmaze really is run by a group at Big Spaceship, perhaps they have been neglecting the Hanso site as they scramble to keep up with the rest of the game. Or, given their apparent money shortage, they may have had to let go or reassign the person in charge of the Hanso site.

Personally, I'd like to see Dharma fade on the show, but I want it to continue on the web. It makes a great story for the webmaze.

bigeyedfish

01-13-06, 11:11 PM

lilnanz

01-16-06, 03:27 PM

Hi, I'm new to this forum and I'm not sure if you guys have maybe seen this before, i heard of it in a magazine and i had to check it out.

www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org)

It appears to be the site of a government research corporation, with many cryptic references to futuristic sounding projects that may seem very familiar to those who have watched season 2. Its projects include: cryogenics, electro-magnetics and a Quest For Extra-Terrestrial intelligence. The 'Active Projects' page also includes a link to Dharma Inituative, this then shows us the film shown to us in the hatch.

While there is no actual mention of Lost itlself, if you click on 'Terms Of Use' at the bottom of the page: it takes you to a homepage of Walt Disney. Disney own ABC (producers of Lost) and the ABC logo can be seen at the bottom of this page.

Sorry if this is old news, thanks.

Unnamed Redshirt Number 4

01-16-06, 03:28 PM

Welcome to the forum. I think you may be interested in this section of the forum: Lost Spin-Off Discussion (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=62).

lilnanz

01-16-06, 03:36 PM

Ok thanks alot, i can see now. that's pretty kool

Brian

01-16-06, 11:31 PM

Thanks URN4. I'm moving it there now but it probably won't last long. I changed the title so no one thinks it's a spoiler, because it certainly isn't. :)

ILoveEko

01-16-06, 11:34 PM

yung, can you merge with HANSO thread? Thanks :)

truffula

01-17-06, 09:38 PM

Alright folks. Time to get the ball rolling.
Every 5 minutes or so I'll be doing an extensive search of the HANSO site.
Already I think I found something, even if it's small and probably insignificant.
In the source code for Alvar's bio, I copied the link for /spacer.gif and it was a blank screen......but NOT in the source code.
Here's what I found:

GIF89a

Now that didn't copy over right. There are some symbols that are weird.
It says "GIF89a" then a capital "E" with two lines in the middle instead of one, then a "!", then a "u" with a diagonal slash above it, then ",D;".
Like I said it's probably nothing, but I KNOW something is gonna happen soon, so continue to dig I shall.
Please feel free to join in. :D

Awaiting the FIERCE.....
Peace,
Truff

ILoveEko

01-17-06, 09:41 PM

I can't wait :D

MacGuffin

01-17-06, 10:02 PM

GIF89a

A GIF89a graphics file is an image formatted according to Graphics Interchange Format (GIF) Version 89a (July, 1989). There was an earlier Version, 87a, from May of 1987, but most images you will see on the Web have probably been created in the newer format. One of the chief advantages of the newer format is the ability to create an animated image that can be played after transmitting to a viewer.page that moves - for example, a twirling icon or a banner with a hand that waves or letters that magically get larger. In particular, an animated GIF is a file in the Graphics Interchange Format specified as GIF89a that contains within the single file a set of images that are presented in a specified order.

truffula

01-17-06, 10:08 PM

Thanks for the explanation Mac!! :D
I kinda had the feeling it wasn't relevant.
I'm fairly certain that when IT happens, we'll all see it right away.
But just to be safe, I'm still lookin into the source code of all the pages too, in case "keep your eyes on the source" meant source code.
RAHHH!!!
This is gonna be good when we get it!!
:D :hyper: :D

Peace,
Truff

truffula

01-17-06, 11:40 PM

More stuff I found from digging:
The name of the person from HANSO who emailed me first was named Ulrik Jacobsen.
Googling this I found the REAL Ulrik (NOT someone affiliated with the Maze).
He's a lawyer, but note his location.
Ulrik Jacobsen has been a partner in Kromann Reumert in Copenhagen since 1984

Nice choice of name GUYS ;)

Peace,
Truff

aggiesean

01-17-06, 11:42 PM

Ulrik Jacobsen has been a partner in Kromann Reumert in Copenhagen since 1984

I particularly like the probably-unintentional 1984 link with Hanso.

truffula

01-18-06, 11:28 AM

RAAAAHHHH!!!
I just checked my email, and guess what I found - YEP - MORE GOODIES!! :D

This letter comes from the SOURCE as well -
It was from BADTWIN and it was titled "We live inside a dream"
The message was this:

It\'s more simple than you think.

It\'s all in your HEAD.

Fader is losing it we\'re all losing \"it.\"

APOLLO by any other name is still APOLLO.

Keep your eyes peeled.

We will reclaim
Dxxxxxxxxxxxx
Exxxxxxxxxx
L
O
S

RAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
MORE TO COME!!!!!

Peace,
Truff

dragon44

01-18-06, 01:59 PM

a good way to quickly check if a site has been updated is to type site:www.somesite.com into google. This will give you all of the previous updates and different pages of the site. So for the Hanso site it would be

site:www.thehansofoundation.org

ILoveEko

01-18-06, 03:04 PM

Nice Truff... But what does it mean?

Hodag

01-18-06, 03:04 PM

GIF89a files let you add multiple frames to an image, animated or not. You can have it show frame 1, then 2, then 3, etc (thus making it look animated), but you can also have it only show frame 1. You'd have to use image editing software to look at the other frames.

I considered doing this with the Copenhagen pic, but thought it'd be too easy to crack.
So a space holder, which normally looks blank, may have other info in its other frames.

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/Copenhagen.th.gif (http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Copenhagen.gif)

keepthefaith

01-18-06, 05:24 PM

Fader is losing it? Could it be father? Like, Micheal?

hunter

01-18-06, 05:30 PM

I just found something - if you hover your mouse underneath all the initiatives you get the 'dharma initiative and a video shows up!

ILoveEko

01-18-06, 05:33 PM

Yeah, that's not new. Sorry hunter.

hunter

01-18-06, 05:35 PM

ok the video is the same as the one we have seen already--at least it looks like it to me. I had never seen the 'hidden text ' under the project sbefore. Sorry if I jumped the gun

keepthefaith

01-18-06, 06:19 PM

Hmmm, a Rose huh? Interesting....

nimrod

01-18-06, 06:36 PM

Do you think Fader could be... Darth Fader?

truffula

01-18-06, 06:43 PM

LOL nim!! Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if fader came from VADER. That's got Damon's signature all over it. I also like the possibility that they're referring to "father" Alvar.

And ROSE.......ROSE is Wise.

Good job yal, keep it coming.
Keep your oeils on the Source.

Peace,
Truff

Lab

01-19-06, 03:15 AM

truffula

01-19-06, 03:20 AM

That was when I LOST IT. :D

Lab

01-19-06, 03:24 AM

:soapbox::soapbox::hyper::hyper::blinkie::eye-poppi:eye-poppi

:teu87:Me too!

(and I don't even care that I just wasted a post / post whored to say that)

salem2005

01-19-06, 03:41 AM

That was when I LOST IT. :D

And you would have been laughing out loud if you were watching the show in Michigan...since the University of Michigan decided to air a commercial during this episode! Too funny!

Penelope

01-19-06, 11:28 AM

MC GAINEY AKA Captain Gorton quoted "From the dawn of our species...." in tonights "The Hunting Party"

Hanso said that in a 1967 address to the UN SECURITY COUNCIL....and I far as I know, the only place that is listed or quoted is on the Hanso site!

Clue perhaps to tie scary mountain-man 'other' with the Hanso Foundation. Also a clue only webmazers would understand to be significant.

truffula

01-19-06, 11:31 AM

Yes, penelope. This directly ties in Friendly with HANSO.
His HANSO ID card is in the source code of Niel Magnusson's myspace page.
And when I finally post my notes for this episode in the GD ep thread - ALL WILL KNOW what we know.

Peace,
Truff

SanityAmongstChaos

01-19-06, 11:40 AM

MC GAINEY AKA Captain Gorton quoted "From the dawn of our species...." in tonights "The Hunting Party"

And did you notice the way he introduced that quote. "A man much smarter than any of us here once said..." I wonder if that means something. It suggests, for one, that Capt. Gorton has a reverent attitude toward Hanso. I have a nagging feeling that it was meant to convey something to the webmazers as well.

My DVR has issues and it was skipping during Gorton's speech about curiosity. When he asked Jack if he knew the other saying about curiosity, did he or Jack specifically say what that other saying was? I'm assuming it was about curiosity killing the cat (kat/Kate?), but I wondered if he said for sure.

(edited for spelling)

Penelope

01-19-06, 12:01 PM

My apologies if this was already established somewhere but its so hard to read everything in this vast maze: We used to think the bearded guy was Gerald Degroot, is that no longer a possibility? He is this Capt Gorton guy?

Sanity, the 'curiousity' quote from Alvar Hanso was just stated to Jack. Its the quote from www.hansofoundation.org (http://www.hansofoundation.org) "from the dawn of our species..." when you first arrive at the website.

see you in the next life

01-19-06, 12:22 PM

Truffula and all my pals......I have been away for awhile....but let me just say I was digging it when Captain Gorton uttered the Hanso qoute. to my knowledge, this is the first time that a reference completely outside of the actual TV show was used. People unaware of the HANSO Foundation website would not have picked that up. That is utterly cool. We should be checking the website for any new cookies, etc. today. Yea!

SanityAmongstChaos

01-19-06, 12:50 PM

Sanity, the 'curiousity' quote from Alvar Hanso was just stated to Jack. Its the quote from www.hansofoundation.org (http://www.hansofoundation.org) "from the dawn of our species..." when you first arrive at the website.

No, I'm talking about something different. After the Hanso quote, he said "You know what else they say about curiosity, Jack?" or something along those lines. Then my DVR skipped and I saw a reaction shot by Jack. I wanted to know if he was reacting to Gorton's question or something else Gorton said just as the DVR flaked out on me.

raiderfan43

01-19-06, 01:09 PM

No, the "killed the cat" quote was never said, only alluded to. Does anyone other than me have a problem with Jack going to AL to ask how long it would take to train an army? I mean cmon, youve got Sayid right there, ex military and special forces to boot, so why not ask him instead of the cop? That really struck me as wrong...and Truff, when Capt Gorton came out with that phrase, I about fell over!!!

SanityAmongstChaos

01-19-06, 01:48 PM

Thanks, raiderfan. I have a problem with Jack wanting to start up an army, but it has more to do with hoping the show doesn't go in that direction than who he asked about it. Now that you mention it, though, it is just plain wrong to ask Ana about it when Sayid has actual military experience and has been much more dependable.

Then again, he did start off by asking if she had really killed one of "them". Maybe he thought of her first because of that. Charlie has the same distinction, but I don't think he's much of a candidate. ;) I'd love to see that, though. Eko should be in on it, too, come to think of it.

Three weeks from tonight: General Ana, Colonel Eko and Lieutenant Charlie extoll on the finer points of extinguishing Others while Sayid erects an obstacle course on the beach to whip the castaways into fighting form.

Penelope

01-19-06, 02:40 PM

Did anyone else think Ole' Bearded One's look and comment when 'Ethan' was mentioned a bit odd? It was like he had no idea what Jack (nor who) was talking about. I don't think Ethan was with Ole' Bearded One.

Matthew Fox indicated in his TV Guide interview last week that the second half of this season was going to 'go all Lord of the Flies' or something to that effect. So, sadly Sanity, they may start a battlin'.

Sayid--anyone else find it ODD he was not asked to go on the mission in the first place? I sure did. That may be a forecast to some friction between Jack and Sayid.

supermodel

01-19-06, 02:45 PM

It was pretty funny when Hurley told Sayid "everyone went after Michael" and Sayid says "who's everyone?" Hurley: "Jack, Sawyer, Locke, Kate, you know, everyone." Don't have the exact quote.

Yeah, that was strange. Why would Jack not invite Sayid on the hunt or ask for military advice? Come to think of it, where was Sayid when all this was going down? Not in the hatch, not on the beach.

SanityAmongstChaos

01-19-06, 02:48 PM

I agree that Capt. Gorton had no idea who Ethan was. He probably doesn't know about Goodwin either. The well-groomed ones are from a different group, it seems.

I don't think that Jack purposely left anyone behind on the mission (except poor little Kate). He just headed out without even thinking about rounding up any help. He wasn't even going to take Sawyer. He probably wouldn't have bothered to ask Locke to go with him if he thought he could follow the trail himself.

Jack was acting strangely in this episode. Much more agressive and much less thoughtful than usual. It almost makes me buy into the whole idea of the island being infested with some agression sickness.

(We're starting to threadjack here. Maybe we should move this over to the BBR, or start a general discussion thread here within the spinoff area.)

snakey

01-19-06, 02:50 PM

What was with Friendly Zeke's hair, was he copying Eraserhead? I have to watch it again because I was too distracted by his do. Did anyone notice how one side of his face was darker, like his eyebrows on one side where so thick and dark, was it lighting. It's like that group are the inbred janitorial staff who cant leave the island, maybe they originally got locked out of their hatch when the blast doors came down from the last incident. I also didnt think there were a whole lot of folks in the forest, looked like the fires were set to go up at the same time and like he had some kind of shiel around him too, unless he was a hologram. sheesh so many ideas so little time.