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aggiesean
05-01-06, 03:59 PM
This is the official thread for science-related aspects of the Lost Experience.

Post 1: Canon Science: The Blast Door Map Equations

The following is borrowed from Lostpedia.com's "Hidden Map Equations" article, accessed May 2nd at 10:34 AM CST.

Hidden Map Equations

From LostPedia


There are several equations written as additional notations on the Blast Door Map (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Blast_Door_Map). Two of the equations appear to be engineering/physics equations related to magnetics. There is also third equation, a trignometric problem, in the top left corner of the map.
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Math, equations, science

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/f/fc/EWimage1.jpg/220px-EWimage1.jpg (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:EWimage1.jpg) http://www.lostpedia.com/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:EWimage1.jpg)
Zoomed-in pic from EW.com, where you can see some of the numbers and dates



Underneath "THE SWAN" it says: "3 of 6 (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Numbers))"
√16 (which is 4), √64 (8) and √225 (15)
"x 4, y 8, z 15". Underneath it says "SUBTERRANEAN CONDUIT?" These are probably coordinates, describing some location in reference to three axes.
"Valenzetti (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Valenzetti)-related" research was conducted on the Island
There is a trigonometric equation in the top left-hand corner of the map.s = 2r cos 72°
= r · (v5 - 1)/2
w = 2s cos 72° = 4r cos² 72° = r · [(v5 - 1)/2]²

There are also two differential equations (calculus) on the map; both are standard engineering/physics equations.
The B vector equation, on the far right of the map, is magnetic flux density: http://www.lostpedia.com/cgi-bin/mimetex.cgi?\vec B = {\mu_0 \over {4 \pi}} \int_V \vec \nabla \left ( \vec M \cdot \vec \nabla \left ( {1 \over r} \right ) \right ) dV
The H vector equation, in the top left corner of the map, is magnetic field strength: http://www.lostpedia.com/cgi-bin/mimetex.cgi?\vec H = {\mathcal M \over {\mathcal G_p}} {\partial \over {\partial k}} \vec g
There also appear to be two derived values at far right, immediately above "High potential for RVS."
Very tentatively "Bin => G × 104 T" and "Be => B × 106 T". These would seem to suggest preposterously high field strengths.
Another intepretation is that these are some kind of energy equations: http://www.lostpedia.com/cgi-bin/mimetex.cgi?E_m => G \cdot v^2 T and http://www.lostpedia.com/cgi-bin/mimetex.cgi? E_B => B \cdot v^2 T[edit (http://www.lostpedia.com/index.php?title=Hidden_Map_Equations&action=edit&section=2)]
Theories and commentary

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Solving the equations

The two differential equations shown on the right side of the map are standard engineering/physics equations: B vector, on the far right of the map, and H vector, immediately to the left of "C3?" on the map. B is magnetic flux density. H is magnetic field strength (or intensity).
There is also third equation, a trignometric problem, in the top left corner of the map.
Trig equation
s = 2r cos 72°
= r · (v5 - 1)/2
w = 2s cos 72° = 4r cos² 72° = r · [(v5 - 1)/2]²

(·v5 -1)/2 appears twice in the equation. This number is the golden ratio minus 1 and 1 divided by the golden ratio, which is also known as the golden ratio conjugate.
A regular pentagon has external angles 72° and internal angles 108°.B vector, H vector: General

M, B, H (and E and D not shown here, but exist in g among other places) need to be specified before these equations have any specific meaning (like saying speed = distance / time). As they stand, the equations just demonstrate an interest in magnets.
The equations, in their current form, are only useful if the calculator knows the value of magnetization (M), distance (r), and the variables for the g vector.
H fields and B fields are similar. They are related by the permeability constant (mu).
These are derivations of Maxwell's equations.B vector

http://www.lostpedia.com/cgi-bin/mimetex.cgi?\vec B = {\mu_0 \over {4 \pi}} \int_V \vec \nabla \left ( \vec M \cdot \vec \nabla \left ( {1 \over r} \right ) \right ) dV
B: This is a calculation of the magnetic flux density vector field. It is a measure of magnetic induction, or the ability for two moving B fields to produce an electric potential. It actually looks like a changing magnetic induction calculation, as a static B field doesn't even require using differential equations--meaning this is an attempt to predict the field at some specific time and radius.
The B vector equation looks like the law of Biot and Savart, for calculating the magnetic field due to an electrical current; the gradiants in the integrand may be for calculating an electrical field.
The magnetic field equation looks like a derivative of Biot-Savart, a formula describing what the field strength is on any given point for a coil or set of coils.
4p and the 1/r² are used to describe the surface area of a sphere not a coil.
The B equation is the magnetic field of a magnetic dipole M.H vector

http://www.lostpedia.com/cgi-bin/mimetex.cgi?\vec H = {\mathcal M \over {\mathcal G_p}} {\partial \over {\partial k}} \vec g
H: Defines an actualized magnetic field on a macroscopic scale; the vector squared would give a sort of intensity of the field.
In the H equation there is a constant term (mu/G(p) then a partial with respect to k of a vector g. This is one of the steps involved in finding a magnetic field in the k direction--that is, in the Z direction, or up. There is no indication of the value of the g vector or of the constant. Why would someone write down just an intermediate step in an equation?
In the H equation, the g vector is probably a pointing vector (a cross product of a magnetic and electric field) like a electromagnetic momentum density, and the partial derivative (the lower case delta / delta k) is with respect to k, which is likely the wave number (related to the wavelength of the EM field).
If the calculator of the H equation was looking for magnetic field in the k direction (that is the Z direction, or up) they would have written partial d/dz. (It's very rare to see vector k as a derivative operator). k here probably represents wavenumber (2p/?).
k is widely used in electromagnetism equations as representing the wavenumber, so using a k direction in the H equation would be idiosyncratic.
If k was a wavenumber, why are they taking a partial with respect to it?
Gp represents the "operating power gain" of a transmitting antenna (it's not actually a constant) in antenna theory. The H calculation may be to determine the mag-field strength of an antenna.
The H equation might be Hubble's constant, which gives the rate of recession of distant astronomical objects per unit distance away, it was the main observation which led to the Big Bang theory and gives a rough estimate of the age of the universe.
The H equation might not be Hubble's constant (partly because it's a vector and not a scalar constant!). Although if H is a magnetic field vector, it's not clear what the other constants could be, apart from k which could be wavenumber, so in that respect would fit cosmology more.Retrieved from "http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Hidden_Map_Equations (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Hidden_Map_Equations)"


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aggiesean
05-02-06, 11:52 AM
Part 2: Scientific-Related Game Information

http://www.thehansofoundation.org:

Mathematical Forecasting Initiative
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"The future need not be an undiscovered country. Through science and technology we can turn our inexorable forward motion into a safe journey into a well-charted haven of tranquility."

Alvar Hanso

COPENHAGEN, DENMARK, FRIDAY, 01/05/06 The Hanso Foundation is pleased to announce a significant breakthrough in population growth modeling.

Beginning ten years ago, in partnership with the government of the developing African nation of [deleted], Hanso Foundation researchers provided a detailed schedule of population growth to country officials along with analyses of how a growing citizenry would affect national security, medical spending, agricultural output, employment rates, and other pertinent factors.

The Hanso Foundation's model has allowed [deleted] to prosper in its growing population with a 40% rise in GDP, a 20% drop in unemployment, and a significant reduction in preventable illness. The capital, [deleted], has become a significant center of commerce for the region, and urban planners have expanded major city centers while increasing standard of living.

Potential applications for our new population model are as far-reaching as they are varied. The Hanso Foundation thanks its tireless mathematicians, as well as Hanso, for this great gift to humanity.


Will global changes in weather cause population centers to shift?
Where are new diseases likely to emerge?
Which species need protection now before they begin to decline?
How can the human race adapt to help the planet support our growing numbers?The Mathematical Forecasting Initiative uses cutting-edge theory to anticipate the twists and turns of humanity's story. By understanding and modeling the mathematic probability of seismic human events, The Hanso Foundation can illuminate the path ahead and provide a true road map to the betterment of humanity.

Electromagnetic Research Initiative
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"To understand where our world is going, we must first seek to understand how the world was made."

Alvar Hanso

From the simplest touch to the most complex chemical reaction, electromagnetism is at work. From the most rudimentary compass to the most advanced supercomputer, electromagnetism is at work. From the magnetosphere's deflection of cosmic rays to the ionosphere's reflection of radiowaves, electromagnetism is at work.

While we know a great deal, there is still much to learn about this fundamental force. Such investigations are the domain of The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative.

Through a myriad of experiments worldwide, the Electromagnetic Research Initiative brings us a step closer to understanding this crucial force and our place in the Universe.

From the simplest touch to the most complex chemical reaction, electromagnetism is at work. From the most rudimentary compass to the most advanced supercomputer, electromagnetism is at work. From the magnetosphere's deflection of cosmic rays to the ionosphere's reflection of radiowaves, electromagnetism is at work.

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aggiesean
05-02-06, 11:53 AM
Part 3: The Valenzetti Equation

(Warning: The following contains possible Bad Twin-related spoilers)

The Valenzetti Equation-From LostPedia


The Valenzetti Equation http://www.lostpedia.com/images/2/20/Valenzetti.gif (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Valenzetti.gif)
Author Gary Troup (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Gary_Troup)
Publisher Hyperion Publishing (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hyperion_Publishing)
Publish Date Unknown, Out of Print
Type Unknown
ISBN Unknown

Unknown equation purportedly used to predict the end of the world, and referenced on the blast door map (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Blast_door_map), where a zone on the island is marked as being of "low relevance to Valenzetti-related research activity"
Theorem proposed by the reclusive Princeton University mathematician Enzo Valenzetti (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Valenzetti).
Title of a book written by Gary Troup (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Gary_Troup), author of Bad Twin (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Bad_Twin), who died on Oceanic Flight 815.
This book is listed by Hyperion Publishing (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hyperion_Publishing) as being "Out of Print"Publisher's Summary

What if a mathematical equation could predict the apocalypse? Using recently-declassified material and hundreds of hours of interviews with former employees of the United Nations and prominent members of the defense and academic establishment, best-selling author Gary Troup turns his finely honed sense of mystery toward one of the most vexing mathematical riddles of our time.
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Book Talk Interview

On 16 Sept 2004, Gary Troup was interviewed by Laird Granger (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Laird_Granger) about Bad Twin (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Bad_Twin) on Book Talk show #1523. Three of nine parts of the interview have appeared on various booksites.

Part 3 was found on the Amazon Bad Twin page.[1] (http://mfile.akamai.com/17650/wmv/amazoncomh3.download.akamai.com/17650/wm.amazon.usa/books/Gary_Troup_new_384K.asx) The clip was accompanied by the following statement:

"Amazon.com Exclusive: Author Gary Troup delivered the manuscript for his hotly anticipated thriller, Bad Twin, just days before he boarded doomed Oceanic Flight 815. Watch the recently uncovered video clip of Gary Troup on Book Talk interviewed by Laird Granger talking about the controversy surrounding his mysteriously out-of-print first book, The Valenzetti Equation, and his new novel, Bad Twin."

In this part of the interview Alvar Hanso (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso), The Hanso Foundation (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Hanso_Foundation) and The Valenzetti Equation are raised:
Laird Granger: Your book mentions a lot of real life people, places and institutions.
Gary Troup: Yeah, I try to incorporate real-life stuff into my fiction, um, just gives it a lot more... veracity.
Laird Granger: Like Alvar Hanso, and the Hanso Foundation?
Gary Troup: (looks uncomfortable)... right...
Laird Granger: Did including them have anything to do with your non-fiction writing?
Gary Troup: Absolutely. I wrote a non-fiction book called The Valenzetti Equation
Laird Granger: (interrupting) about the reclusive Princeton University mathematician Enzo Valenzetti and his famous theorem...
Gary Troup: Yes
Laird Granger: At least that's what they say it's about. (shaking head) I have to confess I can't find a copy.
Gary Troup: (nods) Yeah, I know. I mean, first of all it was a small printing, and allegedly, now...*CLIP ENDS*
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/3/32/Booktalk.jpg/180px-Booktalk.jpg (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Booktalk.jpg) http://www.lostpedia.com/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Booktalk.jpg)
Opening title of Book Talk show #1523, clip 3 of 9.
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Theories

Alvar Hanso (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso) or other members of the Hanso Foundation (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hanso_Foundation) may have been interviewed by Troup as part of his research on the equation. It may be possible that he knew about the island and its purpose prior to his death.:Cowdance:

aggiesean
05-02-06, 11:55 AM
Reserving for a future list on background sources that may be used by science and non-science minds alike, as well as a bibliography for information provided later.

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aggiesean
05-02-06, 11:56 AM
Reserving because 5 is a Sagittarius's lucky number.

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snakey
05-03-06, 03:14 AM
hey science guy, that's right you over there,Aggiesean, make anything of this? is it a formula? I got it from another site where I will be vilified, LOL. I think you're the guy for the job
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/weforgottenuno/Untitled-1.jpg

PandoraX
05-03-06, 03:17 AM
nice update for all the folks here, sean! Thanks for your help in the equations thread as well.

aggiesean
05-03-06, 03:21 AM
hey science guy, that's right you over there,Aggiesean, make anything of this? is it a formula? I got it from another site where I will be vilified, LOL. I think you're the guy for the job
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/weforgottenuno/Untitled-1.jpg

I would put that image more in the code category for now. As it's written right now, I can't see it being used as an equation.

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Son of Locke
05-03-06, 03:24 AM
Please forgive my non-mazerly intrusion (but I would love to catch up and even play along over the summer), but did you find no valuable references or commentary in the GD blast door map discussion? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16635) (no harm if you didn't, I was merely curious since there were several intelligent, reasoned, even a few non-redundant posts there) /threadjack and good luck.

PandoraX
05-03-06, 05:31 AM
Please forgive my non-mazerly intrusion (but I would love to catch up and even play along over the summer), but did you find no valuable references or commentary in the GD blast door map discussion? (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16635) (no harm if you didn't, I was merely curious since there were several intelligent, reasoned, even a few non-redundant posts there) /threadjack and good luck.

SOL: sean's been pretty involved in the map thread (we spun off the main one to do an Equations Only thread, since it was being lost in the main thread). He's reviewing most of the info that we discussed in there, so it will look like a repost of that info, but I think it's good because that way all the webmazers can be caught up with what we've been finding over there.

sean: Just so you know, I started a MEDICAL/PSYCH thread, didn't want to tread on any toes, since it's a science too, technically! But I thought it's a little separate from the discussions of electromagnetism and map equations, going to be tackling different issues which probably won't overlap a lot.

lostscape
05-03-06, 06:36 AM
The Hanso ERI page includes a picture of the Aurora Borialis on 10/28/01. Here is an article about that event.

Oct. 28, 2001 Aurora Gallery
back to spaceweather.com (http://www.spaceweather.com/index.html)


Summary: A solar coronal mass ejection (CME) swept past Earth at approximately 0315 UT on Oct. 28th and triggered (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2001/28oct01/kp_med.gif) a G2-category (http://www.sec.noaa.gov/NOAAscales/#GeomagneticStorms) geomagnetic storm. The CME (movie (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2001/25oct01/cme_c2_big.gif)) left the Sun on Oct. 25th around 1500 UT when twisted magnetic fields above sunspot 9672 erupted. The explosion also sparked an X1 (http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/flareclasses.html)-class solar flare (http://www.spaceweather.com/images2001/25oct01/flare_eit195_big.gif).

Editor's Note: One year ago a similar geomagnetic storm erupted. See the Oct. 28, 2000, Aurora Gallery (http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_28oct00.html) for details.Unless otherwise stated, all images are copyrighted by the photographers.



http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_28oct01.html (http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_28oct01.html)

snakey
05-03-06, 03:46 PM
Ok Ags, but after I posted I found a that it is thought the numbers represent letters saying 'missing organs'. ewwww! I thought the rest was some kind of equation as I know how good you are at them.

MattyR
05-03-06, 04:37 PM
I'm studying Physics at the moment, and I'm about to start on fields and their uses. If I come across anything relevent I'll let you know. :)

trailgoat
05-03-06, 06:14 PM
To follow up on Lostscapes post, this CME was caused by an X1 solar flare. X-class flares are big; they are major events that can trigger planet-wide radio blackouts and long-lasting radiation storms. I wonder how it affected our Island?

As for the psuedo-science aspect, we have 3 instances of October 28th (2 on the Hanso site, 1 on the blast map). October 28, 1943 was the date of the notorious Philadelphia Experiment.

PandoraX
05-08-06, 09:43 PM
:bump: up... because I'm wondering if the new morse code translation "SAFEG" could stand for "Safe G-Forces"... pretty common physics term.

Penelope
05-11-06, 11:02 AM
Hey Aggie and team: I posted this in ALL-HANSO yesterday but its so big it will get lost - plus I think it belongs here. Regarding Hanso and Moscow, I bring a potential science discussion: ;)
What the heck is in Moscow that would be important? Maybe he's got a top secret base where he plans to use a satelite to disable all electronics within a certain area?

Possible Answer: South of Moscow is the Kursk Magnetic Anomaly -- the world's largest iron ore basin, and one of the largest magnetic anomalies on the globe. Check out this article about it: http://web.dmi.dk/fsweb/soljord/oersted/OIST2000/IF-09-Taylor.html

Penelope
06-01-06, 07:50 PM
ALL-SCIENCE, placing this here as well in the event the meaning of the password choice "heavy water" becomes signficant.

From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water)
Heavy water is a loose term which usually refers to deuterium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium) oxide, D2O or 2H2O. Its physical and chemical properties are somewhat similar to those of light water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_water), H2O. The hydrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen) atoms are of the heavy isotope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope)deuterium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium), in which the nucleus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_nucleus) contains a neutron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron) in addition to the proton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton) found in the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. This isotopic substitution alters the bond energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_energy) of the hydrogen-oxygen bond in water, altering the physical, chemical, and especially biological properties of the substance to a larger degree than is found in most isotope-substituted chemical compounds.

ETA: ANOTHER LINK DISCUSSING: http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/sno/D2O.html

~G~
06-01-06, 08:36 PM
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i21/lametterey/h2o5.png

From the Welness "miracle" link. Que es ese?

PandoraX
06-14-06, 03:12 PM
OK, can anyone think of anything that stands out about "crucial force"? I just thought this was an odd pairing of words, like they are looking for a synonym of the two words, which ends up being combined to be a real physics term. I could be wrong and it is (yet another) anagram. Just wanted to brainstorm.