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Penelope

05-01-06, 08:59 PM

UPDATED AS OF 6.5.06

This thread is dedicated to discussion of the relevant characters that are suspected or known to be a part of THE GAME. Please read Lab5's Rules of the Game Sticky post at the top of the forum. PLEASE: SPOILERS MUST BE TAGGED!!! Please post relevant character information HERE, including speculations and theories about our characters. :D
Team leaders: Jeannie, ILE, and Penelope.
Team Members: WOC, 3-Putt

Characters Confirmed to be in THE GAME:

Hanso Employees that are Game Characters:

Alvar Hanso - CEO & Founder of the Hanso Foundation

Career: purveyor of high-tech armaments for NATO
Interests: Science & Technology, Philantropy, goals: improve the human experience and create a brighter future for all humanity.
Photo: allegedly taken in 2003 - in building at Sandvik, Norway. NOTE: this photo was in the Orientation video (discussion at ALL LOST thread) which was copyrighted 1980.
From 800 number: Alvar is believed to have gone missing. A woman's voice asks who is in charge, and what has happened to him. Speculation: he has been kidnapped.
Persephone Clues: Alvar not seen since 2002. Unsure who is actually running Hanso.

Hugh McIntyre - Hanso Director of Communications

email: Hugh.McIntyre@thehansofoundation.org --- address is valid
Facts about Hugh:
Career: U.N. Translator, public relations background
Motto: "accuracy and transparency above all"
Goal: commitment to humanitarian aspects of Hanso; ensuring the Hanso message maintains in alignment with its founders' mission
Other: commitment to family values
Non Hanso work: Member of Board of directors for various international family organizations
Clues from Hugh's voicemail on the 800 number:
1: voice message from "Darla" about Sri Lanka, which she says "just isn't right.
2. Mentions the Korean offshore project (speculation - Paik Heavy Industries tie-in).
3. Thomas tells him that the changes are good, and that Hugh must rename the Accelerated Remote Viewing Project to put a good public spin on it.
Perephone hack clues: LOGIN clue: "the mouthpiece": Hugh is having an affair.
Hanso Press Releases by Hugh: dispersed on the Hanso site as well as National Newspapers. They tell the public not to believe the lies about Hanso Foundation in the book, the Bad Twin.
Guest appearance on Jimmy Kimmel: A different man than who appears on the Hanso page claims to be Hugh. He states that Persephone's hack is a lie, and that he is not the man in the picture footage.
NOTE: Unconfirmed emails have been received from Hugh -- see all-EMAIL thread for details. Unsure if it is him.
Deceased 7.13.06 - killed in "accidental" car wreck with secret lover Darla Taft of the GWC

Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk: President/Chief Technologist of Hanso Foundation

Born: Austria (year not given)
Employed at Hanso: 20 years min
Family: Lost mother to rare genetic disorder at young age
Life goal: to become world's foremost authority on genetics/biology
Education: Caltech - pursuing Molecular Biology degree when personally recruited by Alvar Hanso
From 800 number:
--- he will be unreachable for the next three weeks (effective 5/3/06) but he will be checking in if you are calling regarding Widmore and Paik, which he describes as 'active' projects.
QUOTE: "If it is man's outward journeys that have brought us to this precarious place in time, it is the inward journey that will set us free." (from the Hanso site)
BAD TWIN CONNECTION: close ally of Cliff Widmore in the book. (Fozzie)
REAL LIFE CONNECTION: The name Mettelwerk was a WW2 munitions factory specializing in rocketry that used labor from a nearby concentration camp FYI. (Ralf)
Persephone hack clues: Login: "Heir apparent" - hack questions whether he attended Caltech or not: Caltech has no record of this guy in their
Alumni database! He's never made a tuition
payment...does he even have a college degree?
Why does he call himself a Doctor? Of what.
Who is this clown?
1. THIS (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/caltech1.jpg) Caltech Tuition report with the words Gary Troup knows too much (hidden under the red) He must be silenced
2. Then we saw THIS (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/newCaltech-allred1.jpg), where the words underneath are no longer visible.
3. And also:THIS (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/whoisthisclown1.jpg) message from PERSEPHONE. (Truff thanks for those)

Peter Thompson - President, Gen.Counsel, Secty of Hanso Foundation

Facts: (from Hanso site)
Born: Terre Haute Indiana, 1959
Education: Loyola Univ, Univ of Chicago School of Law
Medical Complication: Inoperable Lung & Pancreatic Cancer
Cured by: Alvar Hanso Cancer Center in Geneva, Switzlerland
Active interests: Protection of Hanso's humanitarian Interests
CORRESPONDENCE FACTS:sent correspondence to Hanso advising to cease and desist life-extension projects which is a conflict of interest.(SYITNL)
OTHER JOB: Acting Director of the Global Welfare Consortium (GWC) (Scape)
From 800 number:
1. if calling regarding the Korean offshore project, he declines to comment.
2. Amercian male voice asks Irene to give him the phone (not confirmed if this is Peter himself. Male then states it is illegal to make threats against Widmore Corp or Paik Heavy Industries, and that 'we' will locate those who do and prosecute.
From Persephone Hack: three different clues appear:Nuclear (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/optionnuclear1.jpg), Williamsburg Tobacco (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/optiontobacco1.jpg), and Globoco Oil (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/optiongloboco1.jpg). (Thank you Truff)
The three memos provide information relevant to Peter on these three projects: Williamsburg Tobacco 1994 Defended the Williamsburg Tobacco Company against a class action suit on behalf of cancer victims: set a new precedent for corporate vindictiveness by countersuing and driving over 40 plaintiffs into bankruptcy!
Globoco Oil - 1998 Defended Globoco Oil...and successfully made the world safe for chemical polluters and dumpers of carcinogenic industrial waste in the Florida panhandle -- the incidence of cancer in the affected areas has grown by 75%!
Nuclear - 2001 was in the process of making sure the citizens of Southern Georgia got their glow-on by bullyragging the local courts into ignoring widespread protests against a nuclear power plant when he was struck by cancer -- looks like Alvar Hanso saved the wrong guy!
SPECULATION: Wrong guy is significant -- that Peter Thompson is not who we may think he is -- so far this has not been further explored by the game.

Members of Hanso Board of Directors:

Jacob Vanderfield & Lawrence Peck
Persephone Hack gave information on both characters. Arrested by the FBI: Peck sentenced to 8 years on insider trading. He only served for 18 months though. Also received 2 years for perjury and obstruction of justice. Vanderfeld
sentenced to four years for taking bribes from a Chinese cigarette smuggling syndicate, and he only served 6 months in a federal country club for the crime.
Persephone Speculation: Peter Thompson was the Attorney.
EMAIL: PThompson@thehansofoundation.org (PThompson@thehansofoundation.org)

Dich Cheever
Liddy Wales (no photo originally, now shows picture of Hugh McIntyre).

Other Hanso Characters:
800 Number Characters:
Darla Taft -- woman on audio for UK call - left voice message to Hugh re: "Sri Lanka" - Hugh's mistress aka GigdetGirl - DECEASED 7.13.06 in "accidental" car wreck with Hugh McIntyre
Irene -- Peter Thompson's secty per call audio

Memorandum Characters:
Jacques Malliot - GWC Executive committee

Roderick Johnson, M.D, Ph.d, Clinical Director, Centers for Disease Control -- received letter

Hoo Goh Choi - Korean minister of something blotted out - wrote a memo to Mittelwerk - seen in the 6/13/06 update.

Hanso Physicians:
Dr. Amy Honale -- discovered from Capetown Inquistor Article

Paik Industries Characters (sun's father company)
Link to Hanso: Korean offshore project
Bad Twin link - mentioned in Bad Twin

Persephone - 'person' who talks to you at the hanso site when you try to sign up for the newsletter. Known hacker of the Hanso site. Per this update on 6.22.06 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=759634&postcount=366)we have determined that
RACHEL BLAKE is her. See my post here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=564478&postcount=4) and also this thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21986) for more about her recent exploits.

admin@thehansofoundation.org --> VALID Administrative email address (KillBuckner)

ILoveEko

05-01-06, 10:10 PM

This post will be concerning ARG character related T&S/unproven sorts of things.

As we have no concrete information on characters that will be related 100%, detailed stuff about them, etc., these will be listed here for the time being:

From 3-Putt's post here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=557605&postcount=259).
Here are some casting sides from actor's access website (http://www.showfax.com/type_selection.cfm?l=1&c=lost+promotional+campaign)for a "LOST PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN (INTERNET) (http://www.showfax.com/signin.cfm?r=519500&l=1)":

(The casting director is listed as "SHERMAN/ROONEY (http://www.showfax.com/signin.cfm?r=518522&l=1)". The category is "Commercials/Infomercials/Voiceovers (http://www.showfax.com/signin.cfm?r=519062&l=1)".)

AMY JENSEN
Early to mid 20s.
An attractive, intelligent, resourceful and puckish young woman, Amy Jensen always suspected that a piece of her past was missing - that her single mother never told her the entire truth about her father.

With the same inquisitive, yet rebellious spirit that led Amy to excel in her education, she put aside her career aspirations to search for her missing parent full-time...and she will do it with the same rebel ferocity and humor with which she has pursued everything in her life...

THIS MAJOR ROLE WOULD RECUR IN SEVERAL EPISODES OF THIS INTERNET CAMPAIGN. THE ACTRESS WOULD NEED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR VARIOUS PERSONAL APPEARANCES FROM JULY THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
Suspected to be the woman we've come to know as Rachel Blake.

THOMAS JACKSON
Early to mid-40s.
A child prodigy in the sciences, Thomas Jackson soon learned that he could get as far in the world through Machiavellian diplomacy as with his intellect. Jackson is a friendly, convivial man - the kind of guy who can pour you a cup of coffee while making the argument that mass murder is a good thing... and you might just believe him.

Always pleasant and agreeable, Thomas Jackson is a consummate manipulator of people and events - never one to raise his voice or resort to anger, he is quite simply armed with the strength of his conviction and the power of his ideas...which would be fine, if his ideas weren't absolutely dangerous...

ACTOR SHOULD HAVE OR DO BRITISH OR GENERAL WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCENT

FREDERICK DEEDS
50s, will also play older.
Frederick Deeds worked his family business into an international conglomerate, becoming wealthy beyond dreams in the process. A driven man, but not one to fall back on his privilege - and the source of his money and power - Deeds is making every attempt to transform his fortune into a philanthropic concern. Guided by his conscience and passion, Deeds' desire to do what is right often clouds his judgment with terrible consequences...

ACTOR SHOULD HAVE OR DO BRITISH OR GENERAL WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCENT

LARRY COOPER
(mid 30’s to early 40’s)
A rugged world traveler and confirmed bachelor, Larry Cooper has gone his own way, seeing the length and breadth of the Earth and trying every challenge at least once.

He has styled himself as a latter day Ernest Hemingway, traveling light, writing about his experiences, and collecting few attachments along the way... as we catch up to Larry, he has just met the first woman he has ever seen who has made him doubt his lifestyle, and he is a little flummoxed by the entire experience as he wrestles with the question, will he be able to slow down his pilgrim ways for the love of a woman?

LAIRD GRANGER
Appears to be the man who interviews Gary Troup in the "Book Talk" clips.
One (http://www.videodetective.net/player.asp?customerId=27879&videokbrate=1&publishedid=587411&cmd=3&amp;amp;z=y&z=y&cds2Pid=1268&linkid=674346), two (http://e.bordersstores.com/a/hBEWXsZAQfEXsAedwLlAX2IBt.AVvW22RU/troupwmv)and three (http://mfile.akamai.com/17650/wmv/amazoncomh3.download.akamai.com/17650/wm.amazon.usa/books/Gary_Troup_new_384K.asx).. so far.
Part four can now be seen here (http://mfile.akamai.com/17650/wmv/amazoncomh3.download.akamai.com/17650/wm.amazon.usa/books/Gary_Troup_4_wm320X240_384K.asx).

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More from 3-Putt (here) (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=565705&postcount=14) - thanks Putt! :D
Things to ponder about these details

- Who is/was Amy Jensen's "missing parent" ?

- Is Larry Cooper related to Anthony Cooper ? a half-brother to John Locke ?

- What will be the time frame of these "side stories" ?

- Will any/all of these characters become Flight 815 passengers ?

- Will there be cross-overs (cameo appearances) in these side stories, similar to the flashbacks on the series ?

- Where will the side stories take place ? Are the required accents for the actors a hint at this ? ("BRITISH OR GENERAL WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCENT")

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According to this post (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=566723&postcount=123) regarding a phone call and a message heard, we may have someone named Darla involved.

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From Truff's post here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=588935&postcount=127) - suspected names of individuals listed on the new Hanso update from today (May 9th 2006).
- Alan Frost
- Adam Shattleworth
- Andreas Ackerman
- Anne Allen
- Alexander Gould
- Bernice Charles
- Benjamin Paul
- Barney Perdy
- Carl Bennett
- Charles Mitchum
- Edwin Austin
- Elwyn Brooks

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List of user directories (possible furture characters/mentions) from http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/.

- acarpus
- ahanso (Alvar Hanso)
- aoconnor
- dcheever (Dick Cheever)
- ddouglas
- draupp
- fgardner
- hfeargha (not thinking this is a name...)
- hmcintyr (Hugh McIntyre)
- jgranger (possibly Janelle Granger - the original write of the official Lost diary on ABC)
- jsimko
- kporfiro
- jsimko
- lorchard
- lpeck (Lawrence Peck)
- lwales (Liddy Wales)
- mwilliam
- owelles
- pthompso (Peter Thompson)
- sconroy
- tmittelw (Thomas Mittelwerk)
- wmalik
- zbach

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From an RSS feed update (names mentioned, but nothing more... not confirmation of in-game characters) -
- Sam Hicks
- Bill Flood

Jeannie

05-02-06, 12:30 AM

Updated 6.07.06

This post contains character information from the Retrievers of Truth (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/) website.

Dr. Vincent "Wally Bole."
Facts/Background: a pioneer in the field of canine parapsychology and neuroveterinary medicine at La Ville Du Chien Jaune Université outside of Troisvierges, Luxemburg.
Nickname: Wally comes from the family's trusted Labrador Retriever who saved his life when, as a child, he fell into an abandoned well on the family estate.

Family: Parents not very attentive -father was a near-famous neurosurgeon, his mother a saucier and the co-host of a little-watched TV show) he came to look to the dog as his surrogate parent.

Career: Met Hanso Foundation CEO and founder, Alvar Hanso, at a life-extension workshop in Rangoon. Inspired Dr. Bolé to expand his research and eventually create the Retrievers Of Truth Institute for the Advancement and Research into the Mental Abilities of Yellow Labrador Retrievers.

Penelope

05-02-06, 05:17 AM

Information on the Character Rachel Blake will be discussed here.

Background - we contact with Rachel via her blog at www.rachelblake.com (http://www.rachelblake.com)
All relevant discussion of Rachel's site is found here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21986). The first post of that thread contains all relevant information on her blog.

Current Mission - Rachel is in Copenhagen, trying to uncover the secrets of the Hanso foundation, including its employee's various secrets. She is undercover, as a spy.

About Rachel - SHE IS PERSEPHONE, per this update (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=759634&postcount=366). she appears to be American, English speaking. Nothing further has been revealed as to why she is so motivated to bring down the Hanso foundation.

Speculation on Character -
1. She is Peresphone, the Hanso hacker.
2. She may be related to someone on the island.

ILoveEko

05-02-06, 05:26 AM

www.djdan.am (http://www.djdan.am) -
DJ Dan
Tonya
His various callers
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Mandrake Wig
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"Users" from RoT forum -
DSLerator
BroadBandBeatnik
iobiSeeingYou
Fiberoptician
See this post (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=798626&postcount=202) from littlelab for some info.
Thanks littlelab! :Cheers:
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In-game characters from Rachel's blog -
MelOdrama
Gidget Girl
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Enzo Valenzetti
Dr. Armand Zander
Dr. Hackett

Jeannie

05-02-06, 09:31 AM

One more reserved post just in case.

Got your PMs ladies, and I'll be around off and on all day. After work I should be on all evening.

manar

05-02-06, 04:49 PM

Sooo , is this Sawyer's best avatar thread ? :D

just so it won't be just threadjacking , the site above is a paying site ? how did you find it ?

Regards , Manar

ILoveEko

05-02-06, 04:51 PM

LOL manar -
Not sure how 3-Putt came across it, we'll have to wait for him to give you an answer for that. :p

supermodel

05-02-06, 05:06 PM

I believe it's a site where actors can look for jobs.

3-Putt

05-02-06, 05:17 PM

Sooo , is this Sawyer's best avatar thread ? :D

just so it won't be just threadjacking , the site above is a paying site ? how did you find it ?

Regards , Manar

I ran across that site a while back when I was searching for an answer about a theory that I had about Zeke. I don't even remember what that theory was now. LOL.

I got access to it thru a 'friend of a friend'. Unfortunately, the Laird Granger info wasn't up on that site yet and I have lost contact with that 'friend of a friend'. But, we got 4 out of 5, so I'm good with that. I spent some time yesterday DDing (researching) Laird Granger and found a few tidbits that I posted.

Uh, team leaders ? Is there anything that is verboten to post here (as long as it is character-related) ? (I thought I would re-post some of the other char-related messages that I posted in the last couple of days, if that's OK with you all everybody.)

Penelope

05-02-06, 05:20 PM

3-Putt

05-02-06, 05:29 PM

3Putt - that is fine. What we intend to do is edit the top posts as needed but everything you have found should go in this thread for now and then we can merge it where needed. I honestly missed what else you had posted with all of these new threads so it would be best to bring it here!! :D

Thanks, Pen, I am a little discombobulated myself. I feel like I may have missed something but I guess that feeling will probably get worse before it gets better, considering what is about to break loose here. I hope this is a good experience for everyone.

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So, I will re-post my tidbits below.

manar

05-02-06, 05:37 PM

Thanks, Pen, I am a little discombobulated myself. I feel like I may have missed something but I guess that feeling will probably get worse before it gets better, considering what is about to break loose here. I hope this is a good experience for everyone.

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So, I will re-post my tidbits below.

discombobulated : sorry I had to google this :D , eeewww didn't know you english/us born people can come with words like this .

3-Putt

05-02-06, 05:41 PM

List of Possible Lost Experience (LE) Characters

AMY JENSEN
THOMAS JACKSON
FREDERICK DEEDS
LARRY COOPER
LAIRD GRANGER

See post # 2 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=563271&postcount=2)in this thread for details.

Things to ponder about these details

- Who is/was Amy Jensen's "missing parent" ?

- Is Larry Cooper related to Anthony Cooper ? a half-brother to John Locke ?

- What will be the time frame of these "side stories" ?

- Will any/all of these characters become Flight 815 passengers ?

- Will there be cross-overs (cameo appearances) in these side stories, similar to the flashbacks on the series ? In other words, if there are video vignettes (on the web or interspersed in the show at ad breaks), will cast regulars appear in them ? And, will "the five" new characters appear in flashbacks on the show itself ?

- Where will the side stories take place ? Are the required accents for the actors a hint at this ? ("BRITISH OR GENERAL WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCENT")

3-Putt

05-02-06, 05:44 PM

Reports are that Lindelof and Cuse have designed “the Lost Experience”, as opposed to some ABC marketing crew. So, that’s good news.

In “The Hunting Party”, all webmazers received a nod when Zeke referred to a quote from a webmaze site. (“A great man I know once said…”) Many felt “Hey, I’m on the inside (for once). I’m in the loop.”

Expect more of that with “The Lost Experience”. I can think of two ways right now to do this. (The following is purely uninformed speculation.)

If the casting/scheduling/editing permit, we may see one or more of “the five” characters (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=557605&postcount=259 (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=557605&postcount=259)) appear in the background of a flashback near the season’s end. That will tend to give that “insider” feeling again. “Hey, I know who that is and what they are doing there, whereas millions of other viewers do not have a clue.”

We know that they cast Ana Lucia, Eko and others way back at the end of season 1 in preparation for their introduction in season 2. It may be that the plan is for 1 or more of “the five” to become a regular on the show for season 3. If that is so, then here are some possible ways that could play out.

At the end of the “Lost Experience”, all five end up as passengers on Flight 815. By that time, many webmazers will have formed attachments to some or all of “the five” and will be absolutely primed to see the season 3 premiere. (And, thus will be hyping up that premiere with everyone they know, which is the whole point of this summer promotion.) Who will survive the crash ? Who will die ? How will they emerge from the background ? Will Amy Jensen be Hurley’s new love interest (a love triangle fighting over Hurley—you gotta love it) ?

They may even wait to choose who survives based on the popularity of members of "the five" (as gauged from their reception on the web).

It will be tricky writing these new characters in so that their actions make sense both to the casual viewer and to those of us who know their background and true motivations.

Of course it may be that “the five” will come and go (fade away at the end of the summer) and never appear anywhere again, but I think the producers would be missing a good promotional opportunity and a fantastic writing challenge if they haven't planned to pursue something like the above.

3-Putt

05-02-06, 05:53 PM

On the assumption that the LE may tie in to other LOST side stories, like the 'LOST diary', here are some possible connections/thoughts.

(The LOST diary - season 1) --- http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/5/57/

(The LOST diary - season 2) --- http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/41/56/

Janelle Granger was the writer of the diary (season 1) ---
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Janelle_Granger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost

Now, from the link below we have an LE character named Laird Granger---
http://www.showfax.com/type_selection.cfm?l=1&c=lost+promotional+campaign

first thoughts about the above ---

-Janelle Granger has the same initials as Jennifer Gale. hmmm (and, if you read all the way thru the diary, including season 2, you will see that the new (?) diary writer claims to be a sibling of fakeHenryGale.)

-(Granger is Hermione's last name (from the Harry Potter series), yet another lit'rary reference.)

-Is the "Larry" from the diary the same Larry from the LE "Five" --- Larry Cooper ?

3-Putt

05-02-06, 05:55 PM

See the list of "the five" new characters above.

One of them is Laird Granger.

That name is second on this list of characters for this casting call ---

www.showfax.com/type_selection.cfm?l=1&c=lost+promotional+campaign (http://www.showfax.com/type_selection.cfm?l=1&c=lost+promotional+campaign)

Now, here is a link to a PDF file that can be downloaded from the internet ---

http://web.mac.com/chaodai/iWeb/radio%20free%20javi/writing%20samples_files/Future%20Tense%20Episode%201.pdf

It is the text of an episode of something called "Future Tense". In it is a character named Laird Granger.

This script contains this cover page:

http://i1.tinypic.com/wwjluo.jpg

Javier Grillo-Marxuach is a former Supervising Producer of LOST.

Of course, it could just be that Javi proposed the name of this character for something else on the show and Lindelof and Cuse rat-holed the name and brought it out now (with Javi long gone). That's the most likely answer.

Penelope

05-02-06, 06:28 PM

Please cross-reference the ALL HANSO thread - we have our first confirmed character thanks to Dragon & Nimrod: Hugh McIntyre with the Hanso Foundation.

WayOffCourse

05-02-06, 06:31 PM

Since I'm not sure where the character search will lead us:

The news release from the Hanso Foundation link (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=565775&postcount=16) was signed Hugh McIntyre

Mr McIntyre is the Director of Communications for the Hanso Foundation

Phone: 206.861.5017
email: hugh.mcintyre@thehansofoundation.org

The phone number works, and has a voice message from Mr McIntyre

ETA: Pen, PM me to delete this if you think it duplicates

truffula

05-02-06, 08:38 PM

Add the following -
Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk
Peter Thompson
both are on the board of directors at THF

Also add Jacob Vanderfield, Liddy Wales, Lawrence Peck (who looks like RObert Wuhl), and Dick Cheever all on board of directors at THF

Penelope

05-02-06, 08:47 PM

I'm on it Truff -- i have two compys here!!
These are all confirmed characters of the game.

ETA: ANY INFORMATION ON THE NEW HANSO SITE IS BEING PLACED IN THE FIRST POST - NO NEED TO POST ABOUT THE SPECIFICS, AS I AM COPYING IT DIRECTLY FROM THE SITE.

ILoveEko

05-02-06, 09:29 PM

I'm taking screencaps of the bios now, will have them in here shortly.

ILoveEko

05-02-06, 09:44 PM

Pen, feel free to add these to your post, just putting them up here for people who can't get the page to load (like me on my compy, lol), and so that we have them should changes be made later on.

Alvar Hanso -
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5084/hanso0ss.png

Board of Directors -
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8868/boardofdirec1pd.png

Hugh McIntyre -
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8389/hughmcintyre7pg.png

Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk/Mittelwerk (first being in the heading, second being used everywhere else - which means the second one is probably more likely to be correct as it is used more often) -
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5018/mittlewerk4te.png

Peter Thompson -
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1425/peterthompson2pc.png

Penelope

05-02-06, 09:53 PM

We will keep all the character information in Post 1 as well -- because I suspect we will be learning more about these people than just their bios as the Game unfolds!!! :D

Jeannie

05-02-06, 10:11 PM

fozzie posted in the Bad Twin thread - we have a tie-in! Thomas Mittlewerk is a close ally of Cliff Widmore in the book.

foxxie

05-02-06, 10:26 PM

Peter Thompson - was born in Terre Haute Indiana! I went to college in Terre Haute Indiana! I am so on that if needed!

nimrod

05-02-06, 10:56 PM

Thomas Mittelwerk was referred to on the voice messaging with a middle name..Vernor maybe.

Hugh McIntyre had a voice message from "Darla" about Sri Lanka

Peter Thompson's secretary sounded like "Irene" - I reckon she could be a key character LOL

lostscape

05-02-06, 11:35 PM

Intel has gathered some further characters you may wish to add, including Mr. Paik!! Please see http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=566850&postcount=85

truffula

05-02-06, 11:51 PM

Interesting - Mittlewerks mother died of a rare genetic disease when he was at a young age....sound like anyone else we know?
W A L T.

truffula

05-03-06, 12:10 AM

I hear THOMAS SKINNER MITTLEWERK in the phone message.
ETA - ok, no i dont....I hear VERNER or something....I'm a goof, please disregard

ILoveEko

05-03-06, 12:22 AM

Thomas' bio on the site says it's Werner.
Check the image in my previous post (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=566616&postcount=23).

truffula

05-03-06, 12:28 AM

Thomas' bio on the site says it's Werner.
See image in my previous post (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=566616&postcount=23) in here.
Yep.
I'm an idiot.
A Blind Idiot at that! lol :p
Sorry bout that one ;)

rottenralf

05-03-06, 12:33 AM

See image in my previous post (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=566616&postcount=23) in here.

Somehow that line strikes me as funny.

ILoveEko

05-03-06, 12:34 AM

It's all good, Truffy. :p

Yeah, I worded it oddly, Ralf.

rottenralf

05-03-06, 12:41 AM

It's all good, Truffy. :p

Yeah, I worded it oddly, Ralf.

ILE it was worded fine, I just didn't expect it from you.

foxxie

05-03-06, 01:55 AM

Intel has gathered some further characters you may wish to add, including Mr. Paik!! Please see http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=566850&postcount=85

Paik Heavy Industries is also mentioned in the bad twin book!

Penelope

05-03-06, 02:02 AM

Do we know Mr. Paik's first name anyone?? I know (thanks ILE) he is Sun's father. I will add to the first post for now.

3-Putt

05-03-06, 02:12 AM

Do we know Mr. Paik's first name anyone?? I know (thanks ILE) he is Sun's father. I will add to the first post for now.

Hi, Pen !

I don't think we know his name. I think the losthatch site would have it, if we did. They seem fairly thorough there ---

http://www.losthatch.com/character_facts.aspx

Dionysus

05-03-06, 03:22 AM

I don't want to repost info. I have a reference to Jack Shepard and a possible future site I put in the Intel thread. You may want to check it out for here.

Leslies_a_bitchin_name

05-03-06, 07:36 AM

Hugh McIntyre -
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8389/hughmcintyre7pg.png

Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk/Mittelwerk (first being in the heading, second being used everywhere else - which means the second one is probably more likely to be correct as it is used more often) -
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5018/mittlewerk4te.png

Peter Thompson -
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1425/peterthompson2pc.png
Anyone else thinks its a little strange that Mittelwerk is the only one to actually sign his name on his bio? Also, that would point us to the correct spelling of his name...looks like he prefers "Mittelwerk".

Does anyone also notice that Mittelwerk is the only one that scares the ever-living hell out of me?

salazar_lives

05-03-06, 10:04 AM

the mittelwerk signature sticks out to me too, but no idea what it means.

Batman Laz0r

05-03-06, 12:39 PM

the mittelwerk signature sticks out to me too, but no idea what it means.

To me, it looks like someone who's writing with their 'wrong' hand (or even using their mouth), as though something happened to the dominant hand that made them unable to use it.

ILoveEko

05-03-06, 01:35 PM

Anyone else thinks its a little strange that Mittelwerk is the only one to actually sign his name on his bio? Also, that would point us to the correct spelling of his name...looks like he prefers "Mittelwerk".

Does anyone also notice that Mittelwerk is the only one that scares the ever-living hell out of me?Yes, I found it weird that only he had his signature there.

And omg yes, he is creepy as hell! LOL.

To me, it looks like someone who's writing with their 'wrong' hand (or even using their mouth), as though something happened to the dominant hand that made them unable to use it.Hmm... that sounds possible.

Jeannie

05-03-06, 01:42 PM

Mittlewerk is creepy. But I will say that my maiden name had an L followed by an I in it, and when I was in a hurry sometimes my i became larger than my l, causing it to look like il instead of li. So that is a possibility as well.

3-Putt

05-03-06, 01:42 PM

Yes, I found it weird that only he had his signature there.

And omg yes, he is creepy as hell! LOL.

Hmm... that sounds possible.

He is creepy. Isn't he, ILE ?

'mittelwerk' in German translates to 'central work' (perhaps significant) :rolleyez:

ETA: I think yesterday's revelations are the "framework". Tonight, we get the central characters.
(http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=563271&postcount=2)(Amy Jensen, Larry Cooper, and the others) I think one or more of these people (Amy, Larry, etc.) have taken the actions that 'freaked out' Peter Thompson, the Hanso Foundation's General Counsel that 'lost it' on the 'phone messages'. (BTW, that actor (Thompson) really nailed that performance. His pronunciation of 'Namaste' could never ever sound more like 'F** U' than that.) LOL.

ILoveEko

05-03-06, 01:54 PM

That would be cool if we met some new characters through today's clues.

(BTW, that actor (Thompson) really nailed that performance. His pronunciation of 'Namaste' could never ever sound more like 'F** U' than that.) LOL.Yes, that was so perfect! :p

LAN

05-03-06, 03:01 PM

Yes, I found it weird that only he had his signature there.

And omg yes, he is creepy as hell! LOL.

Hmm... that sounds possible.

ILE, that was LBN, not me....but glad you are thinking of me.

I think part of the reason that guy looks so scary is because he looks an awful lot like Kaiser Soze's lawyer/associate Kobayashi from Usual Suspects.

"no matter. Kill away Mr McManus"

ILoveEko

05-03-06, 03:11 PM

ILE, that was LBN, not me....but glad you are thinking of me. LOL. I even knew it was Les! :p Thanks LAN. And I'm glad you're glad I'm thinking of you. :D

Batman Laz0r

05-03-06, 07:30 PM

Forgot to mention this in my earlier post about the signature: another possibility is that the 'oddness' of it is due to a motor-related disease or degeneration (e.g., Parkinson's).

It definitely doesn't have the smooth movement found with most signatures, meaning that the muscles being used are not ones for fine motor movements (which are used when writing), but are instead ones for gross motor movements. I can't tell whether the problem lies in the signals the brain sends to the muscles (e.g., Parkinsons), or if the problem is due to which muscles themselves are being used (e.g., not using the dominant hand).

In any case, I'm thinking the 'wrong hand' idea fits in with "incidents" - like what may have happened to poor Dr. Candle - where the dominant hand is lost and instead replaced with a prosthetic one. Injuries like this could require a person to start writing with their other hand.

ETA: This is in regards to the Mittelwerk signature.
Did I miss some handwriting by Persephone on the webpage, Pen? Not sure what the Persephone/Candle connection is... though I'm super tired, so I could just be missing the connection :)

Penelope

05-03-06, 07:40 PM

Or Persephone IS Candle? Writing with his bad hand?
I like this idea Batman

Leslies_a_bitchin_name

05-03-06, 08:12 PM

Batman - I was thinking along the same lines. Wondered even if at one point he IS Candle. Clearly doesn't look like him, but I totally agree that this signature is an indication of something goin on with his motor skills.

My problem is: Isn't one of the other execs a product of the healing powers the Hanso Foundation? So why can't they heal Mittelwerk? I guess Hanso has never laid claim to re-growing appendages. :D

But anyways - I agree with you. I think we'll get some resolution to this soon.

Penelope

05-03-06, 08:35 PM

Batman, I thought the writing from Persephone was what you were referring to not the signature by Mittlewerk. Persephone writes to you when you login.

Then we have the signature of Mittlewerk - which now that I understand your post and have reviewed it IS a bit off.
Sorry for the confusion. :D

Batman Laz0r

05-03-06, 08:39 PM

Pen- Whew! I thought I'd totally missed something there. I knew about Persephone's text writing, but thought there may have also been some hand-written stuff there that I'd overlooked in my sleep-induced, headachy haze :D Glad it's all been cleared up!

PandoraX

05-03-06, 08:40 PM

Just wanted to wonder out loud in this thread. :)

I wonder if tonight's clue (U.S.) will be a different password... this time, to unlock one of the Board of Directors password encoded sections?

lorraineshere

05-03-06, 08:47 PM

ive read in a couple of places that Libby is a Widmore by name .....has anyone else heard this??

ILoveEko

05-03-06, 08:55 PM

Nope, haven't heard that one Rainey.

Pandora - that's something some of us are thinking. Either that, or the possibility that we will get introduced to a new site. We have 3 different starting dates for the maze (UK, US, AUS) and three likely major players (Hanso, Dharma, Widmore), so that might be a possibility too.

Penelope

05-03-06, 09:04 PM

Lorraine!! (so happy to see you :D)
There is some speculation that Liddy - from the Board of Directors may be Libby as the photo is missing.

3-Putt

05-03-06, 09:20 PM

Regarding tonight's clue (U.S.), I think we all may need to think BIGGER.

Based on post # 2 in this thread, (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=563271&postcount=2)here is my reasoning.

The casting calls contain physical descriptions and ages. There's no need for that if their roles are going to be strictly voiceovers. So, there is going to be video involved. The video may be within the ad breaks or it may strictly be video vignettes downloadable from the web. Or it may be both.

Here's a quote--- "THIS MAJOR ROLE WOULD RECUR IN SEVERAL EPISODES OF THIS INTERNET CAMPAIGN."

If it is going to be during the ad breaks, then they certainly won't wait weeks to do that. They will want to wow us right away, so I'm thinking 'tonight'.

So, that's my reasoning behind my saying that I think we all need to think BIGGER.

I'm hoping for a video vignette with visual clues imbedded (phone numbers, anything really).

lorraineshere

05-03-06, 09:21 PM

** is still slapping herself silly **
sorry i am now a spoiler free poster

Jeannie

05-03-06, 09:26 PM

Please folks, some mazers are unspoiled. You can post spoilers here, but please use the spoiler tags so folks can choose to read them or not.

Thanks!

nimrod

05-03-06, 10:06 PM

Who knows, maybe Liddy is Persephone...

lostscape

05-05-06, 03:21 PM

Peter Thompson is also Acting Director of the Global Welfare Consortium

ILoveEko

05-05-06, 05:35 PM

Vincent_Madison

05-05-06, 05:42 PM

Good one ILE!

That adds to the evidence to confirm Bad-Twin as part of the ARG.

steeeb

05-05-06, 05:47 PM

Granger is the guy it tells you to email on the http://www.globalparadigmscorp.com (http://www.globalparadigmscorp.com/) website where it references his favorite book as Beowulf, Grendel is an evil monster that dies in this book.

does that confirm global para site to be real?

waltisfuture

05-05-06, 06:05 PM

I don't see this in the first post, and I can't take credit for noticing it, but I saw a post yesterday re: the Gary Troup videos, and how they have the cursed #'s in the opening clip

They are all Show #1523 made on Sept 16,2004......that's 3 of them

The length is 48, 41, 41 in that order.........got nothing

What's interesting is they are 1,2 and 3 of 9, like the Orientaion videos.

I noticed that the reporters last name (Laird Granger), is the same as the original ABC diary writers. Janelle Granger. I haven't seen anyone talking about this though.

Hope this helps and isn't a repeat.

steeeb

05-05-06, 06:09 PM

yeah Granger seems to pop up alot in this ARG

ILoveEko

05-05-06, 06:14 PM

What's interesting is they are 1,2 and 3 of 9, like the Orientaion videos.All three were found in different book-related websites, so it seems they may have all 9 clips hidden out there somewhere... we may have to check US and Aussie book store websites and stuff to find the others.

ETA: from http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/
Clip1 http://www.videodetective.net/player...inkid=67434 6 (http://www.videodetective.net/player.asp?customerId=27879&videokbrate=1&publishedid=587411&cmd=3&amp;amp;z=y&z=y&cds2Pid=1268&linkid=674346) Found on Barnes and Nobel page, scroll down until you see the bad twin picture, there is a link beside it that says "See an exclusive video clip"

Clip2 http://e.bordersstores.com/a/hBEWXsZ...W22RU/troupwmv (http://e.bordersstores.com/a/hBEWXsZAQfEXsAedwLlAX2IBt.AVvW22RU/troupwmv) This clip was found in a link in a Border's Reward e-mail

Clip3 http://mfile.akamai.com/17650/wmv/am...p_new_384K.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/17650/wmv/amazoncomh3.download.akamai.com/17650/wm.amazon.usa/books/Gary_Troup_new_384K.asx) first find from Amazon.com (http://amazon.com/)

Snoop around on bookseller websites & see what you find about "Bad Twin" & "Gary Troup". We need international help probably (if this is related - which again we doubt).

steeeb

05-05-06, 06:20 PM

yup

ill look at some UK book stores now, i suppose 3 in US, 3 in UK, 3 in AU would sound right?

Or maybe the other 6 will appear in a few days or something?

ILoveEko

05-05-06, 06:21 PM

3, 3 and 3 might make sense. And yeah, the others may still pop up in the next little while - never hurts to look though.

3-Putt

05-05-06, 06:21 PM

In the casting calls that 3-Putt provided (see post 2 of this thread), there is a "Laird Granger", but nothing about him.

The man interviewing Troup in the clips out is named Laird Granger... see here (http://www.videodetective.net/player.asp?customerId=27879&videokbrate=1&publishedid=587411&cmd=3&amp;amp;z=y&z=y&cds2Pid=1268&linkid=674346), where he introduces himself.

ETA: Post 2 of this thread has now been edited with all three clips included under his name.

Great catch, ILE !!!

After you posted this, I watched all 3 vids. (I hadn't gotten round to that yet. Shame on me!)

With Gary Troup writing about and speaking publicly about Alvar Hanso, it is no wonder that he is somewhat dead now. ;)

ILoveEko

05-05-06, 06:24 PM

After you posted this, I watched all 3 vids. (I hadn't gotten round to that yet. Shame on me!) I hadn't either, lol. After I heard his name I did though.:D

With Gary Troup writing about and speaking publicly about Alvar Hanso, it is no wonder that he is somewhat dead now. ;)No kidding, lol.

3-Putt

05-05-06, 08:02 PM

To refresh your memory about all the characters, in case there is a tie-in to one or more of them in the upcoming phases of the Lost Experience, here is a link to a quick summary that is pretty good ---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Lost

The only thing that hit me (that I didn't know) was ---

"Cindy (the flight attendant that goes missing as the Tailies cross the island) was the love interest of Gary Troup, the author of the Lost tie-in novel Bad Twin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Twin)."

In the article, they don't give the source for this. Does anybody know ?

rottenralf

05-05-06, 08:05 PM

3 putt - I believe the Cindy/Gary shipper is an assumption in the books dedication.

The book is dedicated to Cindy "my high flying angel" (Cindy Chandler, the flight attendant Gary was seeing)

WayOffCourse

05-05-06, 08:07 PM

The Gary Troup-Cindy Chandler connection was also in a note from the editors in the book.

3-Putt

05-05-06, 08:08 PM

3 putt - I believe the Cindy/Gary shipper is an assumption in the books dedication.

The book is dedicated to Cindy "my high flying angel" (Cindy Chandler, the flight attendant Gary was seeing)

Thanks, ralf.

ETA: Thanks, WOC.

ETA2: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Janelle_Granger (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Janelle_Granger) (writer of the LOST diary, season 1)

Penelope

05-05-06, 10:02 PM

ILE -- great find -- one thing we need to consider is the facial expression Gary Troupe's face when Laird Granger mentions Alvar Hanso -- obvious dislike for the man.

I think Laird Granger is now confirmed! And clearly Gary Troupe is going to play some role -- flashback esque perhaps, in this maze.

spooky

05-06-06, 03:06 AM

Can someone please give me the gist of the first interview clip. For some reason I can't play that one. Thanks!

ILoveEko

05-06-06, 03:13 AM

spooky, I would, but I don't remember and would have to watch it again - and sadly, this computer is a peice and it doesn't handle videos very well, lol. Hopefully someone will post shortly letting you know. :)

The_Island

05-06-06, 03:15 AM

foxxie

05-06-06, 03:15 AM

Can someone please give me the gist of the first interview clip. For some reason I can't play that one. Thanks!

spooky, try this link http://www.thelostexperience.com/troup.one.wmv (http://www.thelostexperience.com/troup.one.wmv)

I couldn't get it to load from one link, but could from this one. I am also watching it now and will post what it says if you still can't play it.:D

ETA: It is basically introduction and Gary telling a story about how he went fishing in the Keys and met a boat captain that was the initial inspiration for the book. Let me know if you want more than that.

spooky

05-06-06, 03:31 AM

Thanks, fozzie (and ILE), that link worked. Interesting stuff.

lostscape

05-06-06, 05:38 PM

This was posted at http://thelostexperience.com/

Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlework

Can it be a coincidence that the Hanso Foundtation Vice-President and Chief technologists last name is also the name of an infamous secret weapons research lab from Nazi era Germany? Well, it could be. But the connection is work checking out (http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Air_Power/Missiles/AP29.htm), just in case.

On the hanso voice mail system (http://www.thelostexperience.com/lost_experience_phone_numbers/). Thomas Mittlewerk mentions the "operations manual" and a top secret phone line. Definitely something to pay attention to.

Here is the "official" bio from www.thehansofoundation.org: (http://www.thehansofoundation.org:)

As President and Chief Technologist of The Hanso Foundation, Dr. Werner Mittlewerk humbly servers as Alavar Hanso's right hand and cheif adviser.

Born in Austria, Mittlewerk's early years instilled a work ethic that has helped fuel The Hanso Foundation's engine of progress for over twenty years. Losing his mother to a rare genetic disorder at a young age, Mittlewerk dedicated himself to become the world's foremost authority on billogy and genetics. At eighteen, still pursuing a degree in molecular biology at CalTech, Alvar Hanso personally drafted him to join the Hanso Foundation.

In his role as President of The Hanso Foundation, Mittelwerk's leadership has ensured prodigous contributions to numerous scientific disciplines, all in the name of insuring a better future for the whole of humanity.

It is interesting to note that on www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org), Thomas Mittelwerk is listed as President of The Hanso Foundation, while on the voice mail he is listed as Vice President. Was there a shake-up in authority?

ILoveEko

05-06-06, 05:49 PM

Thanks scape!

Penelope

05-06-06, 09:58 PM

Pandora, to answer your question from the Hanso thread: right now we are logging characters as they appear in this webmaze. I think one of us will be adding the Bad Twin Characters too as they become relevant too the maze, I suspect some of them will.

I am unaware of a maze from last year - I just joined here in January :D If you are referring to the Fall hanso site and its info - I prefer to leave that out until someone proves to us it is relevant.

I hope that helps :D

PandoraX

05-07-06, 12:33 AM

Pen, actually, I'm not talking about Bad Twin characters. I was just looking at Sledgeweb's site (which I now staff for), and he had an old letter up from back in November from the Oceanic-Air site... I know you guys kept up to date with that, but the letter mentioned 2 characters from the FAA that were investigating the 815 incident. Unfortunately, now the site is down and I can't get to that screenshot, and can't remember where in the OA site links to it. Just curious... probably these characters are not of much importance and the new and old webmaze may not have continuity, but it's a thought.

rottenralf

05-07-06, 01:25 AM

Pan - We probably have everything archived in the old threads. The first page of the thread probably will give you a good idea where to find it if that thread followed our newer system of reserving the first page.

PandoraX

05-07-06, 12:38 PM

rotten: Unfortunately, can't find it in the archives, and I did several searches :( I'll get it later....

Pen: What about Thomas & Starla, from Hugh's voicemail? If you added them, not finding them on the list yet...

Penelope

05-07-06, 12:43 PM

Pandora, a "Darla" is on the first post -- I need to update today to the speculation her name is actually "Starla"

FYI to all: I intend to update the first post after relistening to and rereading the transcripts on the 800 number, as well as any additional infor we have learned about some of the Hanso characters.

ILE will be updating to include some of the confirmed Bad Twin characters as well.

PandoraX

05-07-06, 12:50 PM

Pen: Oh, Darla... that makes more sense. I got so excited that we were hearing Starla's name again, but it's pretty clear that she has a British accent, which wouldn't make sense....

You're probably already aware of this, but in case you're not, in addition to transcripts, you can listen yourself to the phone msg in its entirety (with all options pressed), here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW6143UkHSU&search=Hanso%20commercial

PandoraX

05-07-06, 02:27 PM

OK, here's what I was talking about, site is up again:
http://lost.cubit.net/images/v2/faaLetter.gif

Doug Lavin of the FAA and Stephen Wilson of FAA investigations. However, this is all "old news" and may not formally be part of the new Lost Experience yet... so I could understand not including it, too.

love2bmama

05-07-06, 07:33 PM

Not sure if this is exactly where this fits in, but I had an idea relating to Persephone. There is some speculation that she may be Alex, especially because of the connection with them both being kidnapped as children.

In The Bad Twin one of the twins is named Alexander (goes by Zander, rather than Alex). So maybe Persephone and Alex are twins? Granted, you'd think Rousseau would know if she had twins or not, but being that she's pretty much nuts it's hard to say for sure.

rottenralf

05-07-06, 08:37 PM

love2bmama

05-07-06, 09:01 PM

^^ well yeah, I know that, I was just saying that it might point to Lost's Alex being a twin as well. And it kind of makes sense to me that Alex and Persephone could be twins.

LAN

05-08-06, 02:43 AM

Wasnt Starla the name of the girl who worked in the record store and was Hurleys initial love interest. I only remember it becuz there are a few posters at LTV that are absolutely obsessed with her. She is very cute, i'll give them that.

3-Putt

05-08-06, 02:59 AM

scullygirl818

05-08-06, 07:20 AM

Hi, just wanted to mention that I'm signed up for this team as well. I had added it a few daysn after I joined some of the others so maybe it got mixed up.

Edit: Meant to mention since you are talking about Starla. I think in LS call unless I mixed it up because I read it more than once, I think that he said something about he thought she said "Starla" more than once. I was thinking that it may be what someone said, that he is looking for keywords, and maybe he was hinting to ask about "Starla," and not Darla. Just a thought.

LostEmissary

05-08-06, 07:35 AM

The name mentioned on the toll free number is Darla, right? I just wanted to make sure... I thought I heard Darla, but with all this talk of Starla maybe I heard wrong.:D

Penelope

05-08-06, 10:20 AM

Emi, you are correct, its DARLA on the Hanso call. While transcripts and discussions at other sites have referred to her as Starla, but its clearly Darla when you listen. Until we are told otherwise by TPTB, I'm calling her Darla ;)

eta: Lostpedia confirms that the record store girl Hurley had a crush on is STARLA. But Lostpedia's phone call transcript (which Truff is using in the Webmaze Map ;) ) says the lady on the phone is DARLA. Maybe this will get clarified later.

salazar_lives

05-09-06, 03:52 AM

so how much does a peter thompson go for these days? i'm too lazy to register. :)

http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/search/DetailPopup.aspx?imageIndex=131&masterID=dv2170020&bc=DV&rfsum=False

rottenralf

05-09-06, 03:56 AM

Good find, probably more like that around.

salazar_lives

05-09-06, 04:02 AM

they mentioned it on http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/ , wasn't my idea.

Penelope

05-09-06, 12:43 PM

so how much does a peter thompson go for these days? i'm too lazy to register. :)

http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/search/DetailPopup.aspx?imageIndex=131&masterID=dv2170020&bc=DV&rfsum=False

LOL at the description: Caption: Portrait of a CEO Standing by a Window
So I wonder -- if this is not him -- are these execs dummies to present a facade that there is a structured corporation running Hanso??? If none of these people are 'real' in THE GAME, then, WHO/WHAT is running the place?

LAN

05-09-06, 01:41 PM

LOL at the description: Caption: Portrait of a CEO Standing by a Window
So I wonder -- if this is not him -- are these execs dummies to present a facade that there is a structured corporation running Hanso??? If none of these people are 'real' in THE GAME, then, WHO/WHAT is running the place?

I really like where you are going with this. Especially considering the caption "portrait of a CEO standing by a window". This graphic was obviously meant to be found, and point us to the fact that whoever is in that photo is NOT HUGH McIntyre. It is all "in-game". It really seems like they are throwing a lot of unconventional TINAG stuff at us, purposelly blurring the lines seperated by the 4th wall. I still wonder if they would give clues to just one person (lostscapes phone call), but I am starting to believe more and more that they would do that, knowing the info would spread anyways.

So, what I am taking from your posts is that all the execs at the hanso site are fake/figureheads. And somebody/something else is in control of Hanso's activities. Then you have an outside source (persephone) who is trying to alert the world that this has happened. One problem with this idea is that Persephone pointed out specifically that Alvar's picture was different than the rest. "notice the grainy quality" So if indeed, all of the executive pictures were fake, why would she single out Alvar's picture? :rolleyes4

Penelope

05-09-06, 01:50 PM

Yes LAN, I am so happy someone understands what I am saying !!!
To me this is an elaborate twist at the traditional TINAG rules. Which, IMO, makes this game really cool right now. I hope I am right :D

The Peresphone thing-- I am unsure what side this person is on here. Welcome to DHARMA - we know she is with Dharma. I took that as a hint that DHARMA is in control of Hanso. Perhaps for some time. The picture being grainy has me stumped as well - in contrast to the other pictures. But the similiarity of all of the other photos is this: they look very generic/staged. With the exception of MITTLEWERK. He has a signature -- possibly a clue he is the only legitmate person there - or a clue that there is more we need to know about him. I am calling all the execs suspect right now and will be updating the first post with my suspicions.

3-Putt

05-09-06, 01:57 PM

I really like where you are going with this. Especially considering the caption "portrait of a CEO standing by a window". This graphic was obviously meant to be found, and point us to the fact that whoever is in that photo is NOT HUGH McIntyre. It is all "in-game". It really seems like they are throwing a lot of unconventional TINAG stuff at us, purposelly blurring the lines seperated by the 4th wall. I still wonder if they would give clues to just one person (lostscapes phone call), but I am starting to believe more and more that they would do that, knowing the info would spread anyways.

So, what I am taking from your posts is that all the execs at the hanso site are fake/figureheads. And somebody/something else is in control of Hanso's activities. Then you have an outside source (persephone) who is trying to alert the world that this has happened. One problem with this idea is that Persephone pointed out specifically that Alvar's picture was different than the rest. "notice the grainy quality" So if indeed, all of the executive pictures were fake, why would she single out Alvar's picture? :rolleyes4

I haven't been able to keep up with the game (with 3-Putt, golf trumps LOST), but from your Persephone quote ("notice the grainy quality"), my first thought is that Alvar has been missing for some time now. It's possible that his disappearance is being covered up so that the stock of his companies doesn't plummet. Just a thought.

This might jive with this scenario ---

The DHARMA people (the others) and Alvar Hanso are all trapped on the island just like the Flight 815 survivors. OK, then, you say "what about the food supply drop ?" Well, nobody heard or saw a plane. It's possible that DHARMA has a huge supply depot somewhere on the island and they (for some reason) are keeping up the charade by (a) dropping the blast doors to possibly keep prying eyes away as they (b) hand carry the pallet of food supplies into place.

ETA: Pandora (see below), I just noticed your "kitten sig". That gave me a good laugh. Thanks.:Cowdance:

PandoraX

05-09-06, 01:59 PM

This graphic was obviously meant to be found, and point us to the fact that whoever is in that photo is NOT HUGH McIntyre. It is all "in-game". It really seems like they are throwing a lot of unconventional TINAG stuff at us, purposelly blurring the lines seperated by the 4th wall.

Sorry to rain on this parade, but I don't agree. I don't think this photo was meant to be found, and that someone luckily stumbled upon it. Getty Images is a provider for generic graphic images such as these to large websites, and THF (and the LE as a whole) is just another commercial venture of ABC, after all. They need to get their images from somewhere.

WayOffCourse

05-09-06, 02:07 PM

Now that the Thompson image has been found (props to salazar), persephone's message leads me to think about this in the other direction...might the grainy image of "Alvar Hanso" be found, revealing who it really is and making the Hanso identity a sham?

PandoraX

05-09-06, 02:08 PM

Another pic from Getty Images, to illustrate my point:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/ceciliaxchen/57226867.jpg
(Image #57226867)

They are a real site with a searchable database of over a million photos, for commercial website use.

LAN

05-09-06, 02:11 PM

Sorry to rain on this parade, but I don't agree. I don't think this photo was meant to be found, and that someone luckily stumbled upon it. Getty Images is a provider for generic graphic images such as these to large websites, and THF (and the LE as a whole) is just another commercial venture of ABC, after all. They need to get their images from somewhere.

May showers bring April flowers, or some @*#% like that right Pan? I am always down for some intellectual dialog (what lesser mortals might refer to as "arguing") Anyways, you may very well be right. But what really gets me is the caption, not so much the picture. I have no idea how this process works, but from your info it sounds like ABC sends Getty Images a list of pictures they are going to need, a cast list, if you will. Then Getty provides the images they requested. Once the image made it up on the website, wouldnt ABC and/or Getty cover up any info they didnt want seen, including the caption "CEO standing by a window". Just screams at me that it is planted there. I am about 50/50 as to this argument, just playing one side of the issue to flesh out some answers.

Penelope

05-09-06, 02:21 PM

3-Putt

05-09-06, 02:21 PM

ILoveEko

05-09-06, 02:25 PM

Lmao Putt. :p

3-Putt

05-09-06, 02:27 PM

Lmao Putt. :p

Hello, my favorite niece !!! :Cowdance: :Cowdance: :Cowdance:

ILoveEko

05-09-06, 02:28 PM

Yay, I'm the favorite!! LOL. :awwhug:

[/end threadjack] :D

PandoraX

05-09-06, 02:51 PM

May showers bring April flowers, or some @*#% like that right Pan? I am always down for some intellectual dialog (what lesser mortals might refer to as "arguing") Anyways, you may very well be right. But what really gets me is the caption, not so much the picture.

Hehe, yes something like that, LAN :) I'm not one for calling it that "argument" either... if it were, I'd be using some more explicatives! J/K

To me, it's healthy to have skepticism and use deductive logic in all our findings. Because we have to keep in mind that there are inevitably going to be connections in the real world that are outside the TINAG structure, because of the nature of this game... it is based on a show, which in turn, is realistic and has correlation with elements of the real world... and at base, it's a game that's made by a company and a graphic designer.

I have no idea how this process works, but from your info it sounds like ABC sends Getty Images a list of pictures they are going to need, a cast list, if you will. Then Getty provides the images they requested. Once the image made it up on the website, wouldnt ABC and/or Getty cover up any info they didnt want seen, including the caption "CEO standing by a window". Just screams at me that it is planted there. I am about 50/50 as to this argument, just playing one side of the issue to flesh out some answers.

And as for this issue... you can ask the specialists in the advertising business, but I don't believe they have any rights to ask Getty to "cover up" the images. I believe photographs of models are considered intellectual property of the photographer contracted through Getty, and as 3-Putt pointed out, merely leased to ABC, they do not own exclusive rights to them.

LOL right back atcha, 3-putt... I was thinking similar thoughts about the models getting hounded by concerned citizens calling law enforcement this summer. I think the saddest part of all this to me is that ABC is not going to use their own models... because the implications to me are that we won't get to see them again in future clips, since they aren't able to necessarily procure the same models.

Vincent_Madison

05-09-06, 08:42 PM

Well here is a theory. The directors that have the "Getty" images - they don't need "in-person" activities to happen - they are just filler so to speak. Mittelwerk will be more. He is real. He will be in other "activities", interviews, tv, etc.

Alvar is grainy enough that he can be left open for "future" activities too.

ILoveEko

05-09-06, 08:45 PM

Nice thinking - of course ;) - VM.

Batman Laz0r

05-09-06, 08:45 PM

I know people were talking about the differences in pictures, in terms of Alvar. However, he's not the only one with a different picture - Mittelwerk also has a picture that differs from those of McIntyre and Thompson. Mittelwerk's looks like it was a candid snapshot, like someone said "We need a picture of you. Just stand there and look at the camera." In contrast, McIntyre's and Thompson's pictures look 'model'ish - they are very much posing in the photos, and the lighting and quality of the pictures differs from Mittelwerk's.

As well, the Board of Director photos also seem to be more similar to McIntyre's and Thompson's photos than to Mittelwerk's. It's harder to tell with these ones though, since they're just the thumbnails. However, Peck and Cheever's pictures also seem different from Vanderfield's in terms of location and quality.

I know some pictures from THF have been found in the Getty database - are any of the other Executive or Board of Director's photo's from that database, as well? EDIT: Can we positively ID any of the other THF photos as coming from Getty?

Penelope

05-09-06, 08:51 PM

Batman, VM -- I agree - Mittelwerk's is real -- so we will see him at some point....keep your eyes peeled!!
I'll update the thread later with our new info :D

Vincent_Madison

05-09-06, 08:56 PM

along the same line of thought:

I bet Jacob Vanderfield and Dick Cheever are "Getty" models.

Lawrence Peck could be real or not - his photo is a little less modelish.

Liddy Wales - maybe they have not finalized this real person yet????

ETA: Can we tie the people back to the "casting descriptions" - maybe some of the names were faked in the casting call????

ETA: I don't know how to link, but check out this guy at gettyimages - 200359026-008

Who does he look like???

theidofbrad

05-09-06, 09:11 PM

If you turned his face more to the right and put a brown tinge to the picture, I'd say it looked like Alvar Hanso.

Also, I too believe that Mittelwerk will play a bigger part seeing as though he was really the only per mentioned from the Hanso Foundation in Bad Twin (Other than Hanso himself that is). From what I read in the book, he's an a-hole

Penelope

05-09-06, 09:15 PM

VM - is this the guy:
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xt/200359026-008.jpg?v=1&g=TSIR&s=1 (http://javascript<b></b>:HRefClickHandler(0,'1','1','2','');)

looks a tad like Alvar indeed!!

Vincent_Madison

05-09-06, 09:20 PM

Yeah that's him. I did see a resemblance right away. Maybe they used a stock photo originally grained out in the Orientation Film and again - have not settled on an individual, so kept the same grainy photo for the website for now.

orskasm

05-09-06, 09:22 PM

haha well, here's another picture of "peter thompson"
http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/dv2170001.jpg?v=1&c=CFW&k=2&d=5B59F2C21C16415C68991C33BA8FB105

and another...
http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/dv2170011.jpg?v=1&c=CFW&k=2&d=5B59F2C21C16415C8F9AC13ACB65A1BA

"peter" appears in a bunch of other pics on getty images, I'm not sure if this helps prove whether or not these were meant to be found.

I'm pretty sure this is lawrence peck
http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/dv1927025.jpg?v=1&c=CFW&k=2&d=74DAE4A9522E9CE5163B0E8A38926614

also here is that random image that someone found on the THF
http://delivery.gettyimages.com/xc/200130450-001.jpg?v=1&c=CFW&k=2&d=405954B421854B6A1AAF5D1085481B8910621193DB58D674

truffula

05-09-06, 11:19 PM

Well, with this new update, we're given some more names....folks who paid tuition to CALTECH, or alumnus, or something....
Point being, they're on the site, so I shall name them here (if I can make em all out ;))

Alan Frost
Adam Shattleworth
Andreas Ackerman
Anne Allen
Alexander Gould
Bernice Charles
Benjamin Paul
Barney Perdy
Carl Bennett
Charles Mitchum
Edwin Austin
Elwyn Brooks

Again, not sure if these are gonna be relevant at all.
Maybe we can look into some of these....

Peace,
Truff

bcool1956

05-10-06, 02:19 AM

Hey truff what site are they on and where? Thanks

LostEmissary

05-10-06, 03:00 AM

Just a quick note - it's quite common practice to use stock photography in ARGs. Also, just becuase a "character" in the game is a stock photo, doesn't mean they won't play a key part in the game, simply that we're unlikely to see that person in a video and/or on the show itself.

truffula

05-10-06, 04:10 AM

Hey truff what site are they on and where? Thanks
HANSO site - Mittlewerks bio - password is "heir apparent" - clicky clicky - you'll see it ;)

lostscape

05-10-06, 08:50 PM

Are we going to bring in the Bad Twin Characters here? I think we should have a master index because the Bad Twin is InGAME. That said, we should add Enzo Valenzetti, as he was mentioned in the Troup interview, and his name is on the Hatch door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valenzetti

ETA: This article was deleted by Wiki on 5/11/06 here is the reason why

Quote:

This is either a hoax or improper manipulation of Wikipedia's reputation. There is information in this article that has not been revealed anywhere else (e.g., Enzo Valenzetti is said to have proven Fermat's last theorem but burnt his work after showing it to his colleagues) in either the shows or the related websites. The contents of this article are either invented -- & thus should be considered a hoax & removed -- or it is part of the Alternate reality game related to the television series, & thus should not be part of Wikipedia. Articles about ARGs are one thing: providing articles that are part of an ARG is another -- & something we must keep out of Wikipedia, because in blurring the distinction between fact & fiction this can only harm our encyclopedia's credibility. (And the information in the article has already been mirrored elsewhere, so deletion does not mean it is irreparably gone.)
Sorry to be so brief in my argument, but I really need to be in bed. I'll be happy to answer questions later, but in any case I believe this matter needs a thorough discussion not only about this case, but over future cases. -- llywrch 06:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Penelope

05-10-06, 10:40 PM

Jeannie - maybe you should add Bad Twin to post #3 of the thread. That way we can separate the HANSO site characters from the Bad Twin, and ILE's post is speculated/unconfirmed characters.

foxxie

05-10-06, 11:07 PM

Add away fabulous ladies! Let me know if you need help, or if you want me to re-organize the info. I do think it is a good idea.

lostscape

05-11-06, 02:05 PM

PandoraX

05-14-06, 07:38 PM

Pen, I just mentioned this in another thread, but thought I'd write it here also. If you look at the archives of the old THF.org site, the grainy photo of Hanso was supposedly taken in 1967, while he was at the U.N. This is not mentioned on the new site, and we all know that the 2003 date must be phony.

rottenralf

05-14-06, 07:45 PM

PandoraX

05-14-06, 08:43 PM

The 2003 date would not only be phony but part of a coverup if he hasn't been seen since 2002.

Yeah, rotten; it's such a specific date, that I think changed after the "hack"... so my thought is that it has nothing to do with the photo, but rather something that Persephone is trying to tell us about that date.

Noticed some other things too, while writing some profile pages for the site (for sledgeweb's site)... Mittelwerk mentions in his quote the responsibility of a few to "shephard humanity to a greater future" (interesting choice of words, eh?)... and Hugh McIntyre "sits on the boards of several family organizations" to ensure THF's message is communicated (last time I looked, "family organizations" implied mafia ties... much like Mr. Paik's organization?).

rottenralf

05-14-06, 09:00 PM

Yeah, rotten; it's such a specific date, that I think changed after the "hack"... so my thought is that it has nothing to do with the photo, but rather something that Persephone is trying to tell us about that date.

Noticed some other things too, while writing some profile pages for the site (for sledgeweb's site)... Mittelwerk mentions in his quote the responsibility of a few to "shephard humanity to a greater future" (interesting choice of words, eh?)... and Hugh McIntyre "sits on the boards of several family organizations" to ensure THF's message is communicated (last time I looked, "family organizations" implied mafia ties... much like Mr. Paik's organization?).

Family Organizations could also mean endowment funds (Carnagie Grants, Kellogg Foundation, Lied Foundation) and other philanthropic endeavors. I don't think the double meaning was unintentional, just a good spin-doctor got to it.

Penelope

05-15-06, 12:37 PM

An interesting discussion at the Fuselage speculating that Mittelwerk changed his name and may have Nazi ties...am posting here for archival purposes in the event this speculation proves true, so we can update the CHARACTER information.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=48263

Blackforge

05-15-06, 03:44 PM

Mittelwerk name discrepencies. From http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=238671&sid=e68432fd3ef031b9d0dd72febcb9dbdd#238671
However, has anyone else noticed that on his bio page, he is referred to with 3 different names?

Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk
Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk
Dr. Werner Mittelwerk

He signature says Thomas Mittelwerk (no Dr.).

Significant?

Not to mention that the Hanso hotline refers to his middle name as Skinner, not Werner

Some people go by their middle names, some by their first, some both. My boss goes by his middle name, but we share our first name. I'm not too sure it's significant other than being away of all the names he goes by?

Now not signing it Dr., is a little strange. I know a few PhD's that insisted on being called Doctor.

The female voice is saying "Vair-ner", a German pronunciation. She's just inflecting on the 'E' in the way you say it in the German alphabet. 'E' is pronounced as "Eh" or how us English speakers say 'A'. When you go to the voicemail the voice says it as "Verr-ner". Now who is saying it "correctly", I'm not sure, but it's definately not saying Skinner.

3-Putt

05-26-06, 04:24 PM

Team leaders,

Do we need to add this list of names to one of the top posts in this thread ? (or at least this link)

http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/

ETA: You're welcome, my fave niece !!! :wave2:

ILoveEko

05-26-06, 04:33 PM

Ahh Putt, thank you! I was going to add them and it totally slipped my mind! :awwhug:

ETA:
ETA: You're welcome, my fave niece !!! :wave2:Hehe. :D:D

~G~

05-28-06, 12:26 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume

"Hume was heavily influenced by empiricists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricist) John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke) and..."

Poking around, looking for stuff on Desmond's surname. Hume is probably my favorite thinker. His ideas on causation ROCK.

goAlvar

05-29-06, 10:03 AM

AMY JENSEN
Early to mid 20s.
An attractive, intelligent, resourceful and puckish young woman, Amy Jensen always suspected that a piece of her past was missing - that her single mother never told her the entire truth about her father.

With the same inquisitive, yet rebellious spirit that led Amy to excel in her education, she put aside her career aspirations to search for her missing parent full-time...and she will do it with the same rebel ferocity and humor with which she has pursued everything in her life...
I made the assumption that Amy Jensen is Persephone. Now Amy Jensen may not be her name when we meet her in the ARG world. I think some of the casting calls were for the executives of the foundation but the names were altered because the casting call was found out and we would immediately recognize them when we saw the names and start predicting their motives and their future actions.

She was gifted, not unlike Walt, and was abducted when she was a child, by people who wanted to harness these abilities. Maybe these people did not let her see her mother during these experiments, hence she thinks she's abducted or the experimenters took her without her mother's consent. Hades from mythology would represent the abductees.

She's now trying to find two things; her unknown father and more about the people who conducted experiments on her. Her research led her to the Hanso Foundation and after years of research into the foundation, she started thinking Alvar Hanso was her father. During her research she found evidence of the corruption of the foundation, and she thinks the executive members are guilty of her father's disappearance so she started exposing those dirty secrets to the public. Hers is a personal vendetta now.
Alvar Hanso may or not be her real father, but that's what she believes. Maybe we will join and help her trying to find where Alvar Hanso is and if he is her real father.

And a little something about Alvar.

FREDERICK DEEDS
50s, will also play older.
Frederick Deeds worked his family business into an international conglomerate, becoming wealthy beyond dreams in the process. A driven man, but not one to fall back on his privilege - and the source of his money and power - Deeds is making every attempt to transform his fortune into a philanthropic concern. Guided by his conscience and passion, Deeds' desire to do what is right often clouds his judgment with terrible consequences...

ACTOR SHOULD HAVE OR DO BRITISH OR GENERAL WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCENT
Sounds like Alvar Hanso. He is very rich and all the projects of the Foundation seem to be the fruits of his philanthropic concern. He "personally drafted" Mittelwerk, which resulted in what can be called a terrible consequence. A "general western European accent" would suit him.
I don't think the description would fit Widmore, after seeing what he told to Desmond. But the producers said there may be two branches of the Widmore family, so...

I know there are lots of "maybe"s in my thinking but it seems to make sense to me. What do you think?

aggiesean

05-29-06, 12:31 PM

I know there are lots of "maybe"s in my thinking but it seems to make sense to me. What do you think?

I agree there are too many "maybe"'s in there, but you may be on to something. By now, TPTB behind Lost know that we read casting calls. The calls need to have details behind the characters actions and motives so that the actor/actress portraying them has a focus on the character. Character's names change often before the final product is produced, so no one would go in expecting to be known by the end of the summer as "Amy Jensen"; they want to be the attractive, intelligent, resourceful young woman, etc.

Again, though, there are too many maybes here. We just don't know enough yet about Persephone and Alvar to make the association. If this does turn out to be the case, I'll worship at the altar of Algo for you figuring this out, but for now I'm in "wait and see" mode.

:Cowdance:

~G~

05-29-06, 01:41 PM

Looked around, and didn't see this mentioned, from the source code on thf RSS feed:

<title>Board of Directors updated</title>
<description>~ Jacob Vanderfield
Liddy Wales
Dick Cheever
Lawrence Peck
Bill Flood
Sam Hicks

PandoraX

05-30-06, 07:33 PM

http://f5.putfile.com/5/14914311659.jpg

Minister of the Interior Magato... new character to be added!

~G~

05-31-06, 03:03 PM

"She was an employee of the foundation"

Candidates?
Liddy Wales
Persephone
Janelle Grainger

truffula

06-01-06, 09:26 PM

From the Cape Town Inquisitor - Dr. Amy Honale of the Hanso Foundation

TheJazzer

06-01-06, 10:47 PM

From the Cape Town Inquisitor - Dr. Amy Honale of the Hanso Foundation

Hi Truff - not sure if this is the right board for this, but this can be anagrammed to...

Dr. Amy No Heal

buckylaserbeam

06-01-06, 10:48 PM

Hi Truff - not sure if this is the right board for this, but this can be anagrammed to...

Dr. Amy No Heal

jeez i love it!!!

Penelope

06-02-06, 06:36 AM

Hi Truff - not sure if this is the right board for this, but this can be anagrammed to...

Dr. Amy No Heal

:rotfl: Now that is a great anagram! Nice work Jazzer! Once my lazy arzt updates the first post of this thread, I'll be sure to include your anagram find! :Cheers:

goAlvar

06-04-06, 10:16 PM

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1492&d=1149224201
She was an employee of the foundation.

Maestra

06-05-06, 05:22 AM

From the Cape Town Inquisitor - Dr. Amy Honale of the Hanso Foundation

The same pic from the Cape Town Inquisitor (of Dr. Honale) is on THF Life Extension Project page. Doesn't give us any info about her, just another link among information.

Penelope

06-05-06, 04:45 PM

As of right now, the first post of Hanso characters has been updated in this thread. If anyone believes something else should be added, please post it here and I will adjust. Thank you.

cameronbh206

06-05-06, 05:20 PM

Using a significant amount of work from suladan and a concept mapping program I've got I put together a map of connections between characters. If there are mistakes or anyone can think of anything else that should be on it let me know. I can keep it updated pretty easily.

Penelope

06-05-06, 05:31 PM

Cameron, thank you for the chart! I am going to link it in the first post!! :D

~G~

06-06-06, 06:08 PM

Another literary reference. Inman is the name of the main character in Knut Hamsuns Growth of the Soil.

Kilch

06-07-06, 08:02 AM

Has the real Huge McIntyre been silenced (killed) for emailing us and been replaced with this new guy of Kimmel? (sorry if this is in the wrong forum)

~G~

06-07-06, 04:38 PM

Dr. Vincent "Wally" Bole

cameronbh206

06-07-06, 05:43 PM

Suladan who is Steve that you've got linked to Walt and Michael, that's the last one I'm having trouble figuring out?

Penelope

06-08-06, 03:38 PM

FYI -- Posts 1-3 have been updated with our new character information.

3-Putt

06-09-06, 06:56 PM

I made the assumption that Amy Jensen is Persephone. Now Amy Jensen may not be her name when we meet her in the ARG world. I think some of the casting calls were for the executives of the foundation but the names were altered because the casting call was found out and we would immediately recognize them when we saw the names and start predicting their motives and their future actions.

She was gifted, not unlike Walt, and was abducted when she was a child, by people who wanted to harness these abilities. Maybe these people did not let her see her mother during these experiments, hence she thinks she's abducted or the experimenters took her without her mother's consent. Hades from mythology would represent the abductees.

She's now trying to find two things; her unknown father and more about the people who conducted experiments on her. Her research led her to the Hanso Foundation and after years of research into the foundation, she started thinking Alvar Hanso was her father. During her research she found evidence of the corruption of the foundation, and she thinks the executive members are guilty of her father's disappearance so she started exposing those dirty secrets to the public. Hers is a personal vendetta now.
Alvar Hanso may or not be her real father, but that's what she believes. Maybe we will join and help her trying to find where Alvar Hanso is and if he is her real father.

And a little something about Alvar.

Sounds like Alvar Hanso. He is very rich and all the projects of the Foundation seem to be the fruits of his philanthropic concern. He "personally drafted" Mittelwerk, which resulted in what can be called a terrible consequence. A "general western European accent" would suit him.
I don't think the description would fit Widmore, after seeing what he told to Desmond. But the producers said there may be two branches of the Widmore family, so...

I know there are lots of "maybe"s in my thinking but it seems to make sense to me. What do you think?

ALGO,

I just now saw your post above. I have been thinking along the same lines.

Agreed that we will most likely know them by different names.

I think that Larry Cooper sounds a whole lot like Gary Troup. The description below seems to jive with what we have seen so far in the Laird Granger interviews of Troup. (Perhaps the woman that "flummoxed" him was Cindy.)

And it's possible that Thomas Jackson is Thomas Mittelwerk. (We know that the part of Mittelwerk seems to be a 'cast' part rather than just a Getty Image.)

Also, is it possible that Persephone is/was Cindy ??? Perhaps she made it off the island somehow. Just a thought. (I too have been operating under the assumption that Persephone is "Amy Jensen" and have been biding my time for confirmation. It appears that the LOST ARG is a marathon, not a sprint.)

I was really hoping that, by now, we would have received something more than just some snippets of word clues and a few blurry images. I guess I was hoping that they would produce video of a few minutes length that would have some substance to them. I know that is expensive, but I think we are worth it. :)

LARRY COOPER
(mid 30’s to early 40’s)
A rugged world traveler and confirmed bachelor, Larry Cooper has gone his own way, seeing the length and breadth of the Earth and trying every challenge at least once.

He has styled himself as a latter day Ernest Hemingway, traveling light, writing about his experiences, and collecting few attachments along the way... as we catch up to Larry, he has just met the first woman he has ever seen who has made him doubt his lifestyle, and he is a little flummoxed by the entire experience as he wrestles with the question, will he be able to slow down his pilgrim ways for the love of a woman?

Penelope

06-09-06, 07:01 PM

3-Putt

06-09-06, 07:12 PM

Well I do like this Persephone/Cindy thing - however, we have heard Persephone's voice and it doesn't sound like the actress who played her. That may not mean anything (remember the Hugh confusion). I still think she sounds like Tonya from the DJDan podcasts.

Pen,

When you saw the 'casting calls', didn't you expect that by now we would have been provided some clues that would lead to the discovery of video that would 'star' one or more people from the casting calls ?

I know that perhaps I am being impatient, but it seems to me that if they were going to do this, they would have done so by now in order to keep a percentage of people involved in the game who are not that interested in website hacks and reverse engineering.

ETA: I guess I am discounting the Troup interview videos. I was hoping to get some intriguing video back-alley meetings between "Amy Jensen" and a Hanso Foundation "deep-throat" character. Now, that would be fun.

I guess what I am really asking for here is for the producers to work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year to entertain me. Is that asking too much ? :)

Penelope

06-09-06, 07:19 PM

Pen,

When you saw the 'casting calls', didn't you expect that by now we would have been provided some clues that would lead to the discovery of video that would 'star' one or more people from the casting calls ?

I know that perhaps I am being impatient, but it seems to me that if they were going to do this, they would have done so by now in order to keep a percentage of people involved in the game who are not that interested in website hacks and reverse engineering.

3-Putt -- I totally agree with you. I am not excited about the ARG because I am not seeing much that is entertaining -- like you I expected some acting going on here. I wonder if that casting call sheet was actually a red herring. So far, none of the people have appeared and we have been at this a month.

snakey

06-09-06, 10:17 PM

I havent read Bad Twin and really didnt pay attention to the casting call sheets much but what Algo said about Amy sure did sound a lot like Olivie, Vals' sis from Ad-rod. Isnt that too much a similiarity (again) to be coincidental?

23 is Everywhere

06-13-06, 09:36 PM

Just a thought - we've covered the two spellings of Mittelwerk/Mittlewerk and the possible meaning of that name...but what about Thomas and Werner?

Thomas: "twin" (Aramaic origins) reference to "doubting Thomas," "Judas Thomas" [not Judas Iscariot] or Bad Twin perhaps?

Werner: "defender," "army defender," "watchman," "guard" or similar (Old German origins)

And yeah, I'm somewhat new here.

PandoraX

06-13-06, 09:38 PM

Oh, and with the bump, a good reminder to add Hoo-Goh Choi... Korean Minister of Blotted Out Words. :D

Penelope

06-13-06, 09:43 PM

Just a thought - we've covered the two spellings of Mittelwerk/Mittlewerk and the possible meaning of that name...but what about Thomas and Werner?

Thomas: "twin" (Aramaic origins, reference to "doubting Thomas," "Judas Thomas" [not Judas Iscariot] or Bad Twin perhaps?)

Werner - "defender," "army defender," "watchman," "guard" or similar (Old German origins)

And yeah, I'm somewhat new here.

Good point!! And Welcome 23!! :Cheers:
Pan - I'm sorry where is he from?? Just so I know where the update of his character should be placed. I must have missed him.

PandoraX

06-13-06, 09:46 PM

Pen: He's the one who wrote the letter to Mittelwerk in today's update...
With the updates coming so fast and furious all of the sudden, it's hard to keep track of the details, I agree!

http://www.familymcdermott.com/images/lost/magno6.JPG

PS: I know it looks like Gon, but I think it is Goh, because there's no Gon in korean that I know of... maybe Jessie or a native speaker could confirm....

Oh, there is also that doctor who wrote the other letter... from the Vik Institute. Hold on... I'll find that screencap too...

EDIT: Got it.. it is Dr. Armand Zander (may not be a real person, may be a likely anagram like Wally Bole or likely Amy Honale...)

http://www.likaanet.com/lostdirectory/thehansofoundation.org/Images/vikinstitute.jpg

Penelope

06-13-06, 09:50 PM

Updated as Hoo Goo Choi -- Jessie or someone else who could clarify correct spelling, I would appreciate it. He's in Post#1 under my "memorandum characters" for lack of a better category.

Dorkfish

06-13-06, 10:49 PM

Sure I'll get right on it, just give me five minutes.

Dorkfish

06-13-06, 11:02 PM

Well, I was talking with my friend on the phone who knew better Korean than I do, and she told me that the name "Hoo-Goo" could've been deprived from a certain place in history, perhaps a famous korean or a place. The last name could be from an important Korean dynasty, or something else, but I won't get into that.

It had also gotten me thinking that perhaps if the name is translated into English, it could be a name we could recognize.

For example: my friend's name is Shi-On Song, her English name is Diana or something close to that, however, the last name never changes.

Hope this helps.

PandoraX

06-13-06, 11:48 PM

I think it is Hoo-Goh, though, if you read the letter. The last is not an O.

I also added Dr. Armand Zander's letter from the VIK institute (prior page).

Penelope

06-14-06, 02:02 AM

First post fixed - LOL at myself. Not sure where 'goo' came from, (i am known for typos).

Jessie- thank you! That is interesting what you posted about the last name, potentially when translated to English, could be important. Hopefully you are correct and when we learn it we will be one up on this angle!

PandoraX

06-14-06, 02:34 AM

LOL, we asians do have funny names. My middle name is Xi (pronounced "she") and someone asked me if I am "[real name] the 11th" today... :D

/threadjack....

Tater

06-16-06, 03:44 PM

Random thoughts and stuff... I just started posting so I ain't too sure what's been talked about and what hasn't... I've been thinking about the age of Alvar Hanso... I haven't been able to figure out his age or any kind of birthdate... if you do the math... WWII was over by 1945... and he was a weapons supplier in that time... I am guessing that is not a young man's job... so most likely he had to be at least nearly 30 in that time... so that would put him in his 80's or 90's by now... that may be a fuzzy picture of him (if it is him), but whoever it is doesn't appear to be that old... one conclusion is that it's not him... another would be that it is him and he has been taking the same stuff Joop has... either way, I've heard a lot of speculation of who Alvar Hanso really is... if he is one of the Others we've seen in the show... such as Zeke or fake Henry... that's some damned good life extension stuff... it's possible, but I doubt we've seen him yet on the show... besides, do you really think someone that's the head of that large an organization would be doing what the Others are doing on the island... nope, he'd be the man pulling the strings... not the one carrying out those actions... Like I said... random thoughts and stuff... more for later but I am too brain dead to think any more about it now...
later, from Tater

3-Putt

06-16-06, 04:18 PM

... if you do the math... WWII was over by 1945... and he was a weapons supplier in that time... I am guessing that is not a young man's job... so most likely he had to be at least nearly 30 in that time... so that would put him in his 80's or 90's by now...

Welcome, Tater !

I have thought on this, and, like you, came up with those same numbers. Hanso has to be 90+ years old. Now, he is the man. He is the guy, the one who is the moving force behind all that we have seen on this show. So, we just have to meet him before this show ends.

I think "HIM" is HANSO. (When Zeke and Ethan were speaking of HIM, they were very obviously afraid of the man. When Zeke speaks to Fenry on the dock, he is obviously not afraid of Fenry though he is deferential somewhat.)

Now, imagine in Season 5 that Jack (or Locke or whoever is still alive and in charge at the time) finally confronts HANSO and he is this feeble 90+ year old. How anti-climactic would that be ? That's why I think that HANSO has received the Life Extension treatments.

Now, as to the question of whether we have already met him --- that's a difficult one. It will be more dramatic when we see him revealed if we have met him already. However, the list of possibilities has been narrowed down. (I used to think it could be Ethan until we saw the episode about the Medical Hatch. I thought Ethan was going to return from the grave due to the magical healing powers of the island. Oops.) Could it be one of the main cast members ? Doesn't seem likely because that would mean that the flashbacks would have been falsified for that character and that would call all the flashbacks into doubt.

I really can't figure it out --- I guess that's why I'm still watching. :)

ETA: And, curiosity about Hanso and what might be revealed about him, keeps me monitoring the LOST ARG.

~G~

06-17-06, 02:21 AM

Rachel Blake, from Monster Video. Possible first actor?

truffula

06-17-06, 02:26 AM

Rachel Blake, from Monster Video. Possible first actor?
She was alot better than "Hugh" that's for sure ;)

~G~

06-17-06, 02:30 AM

Cuter, too...

3-Putt

06-19-06, 01:49 AM

So, it seems that Truff was right. The name of the character "Amy Jensen" has most likely been changed to "Rachel Blake".

That Rachel video is more like it (more like what I was expecting from this game). Me happy. :)

truffula

06-19-06, 01:58 AM

[ AMY JENSEN ]
Early to mid 20s. An attractive, intelligent, resourceful and puckish young woman, Amy Jensen always suspected that a piece of her past was missing - that her single mother never told her the entire truth about her father. With the same inquisitive, yet rebellious spirit that led Amy to excel in her education, she put aside her career aspirations to search for her missing parent full-time...and she will do it with the same rebel ferocity and humor with which she has pursued everything in her life...THIS MAJOR ROLE WOULD RECUR IN SEVERAL EPISODES OF THIS INTERNET CAMPAIGN. THE ACTRESS WOULD NEED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR VARIOUS PERSONAL APPEARANCES FROM JULY THROUGH SEPTEMBER.

[ THOMAS JACKSON ]
Early to mid-40s. A child prodigy in the sciences, Thomas Jackson soon learned that he could get as far in the world through Machiavellian diplomacy as with his intellect. Jackson is a friendly, convivial man - the kind of guy who can pour you a cup of coffee while making the argument that mass murder is a good thing... and you might just believe him. Always pleasant and agreeable, Thomas Jackson is a consummate manipulator of people and events - never one to raise his voice or resort to anger, he is quite simply armed with the strength of his conviction and the power of his ideas...which would be fine, if his ideas weren't absolutely dangerous...ACTOR SHOULD HAVE OR DO BRITISH OR GENERAL WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCENT

Yep, that sounds about right. "Amy Jensen" = Rachel Blake
And it looks like "Thomas Jackson" = Thomas Mittelwerk (though we havent "seen" him yet, but the voice on the phone line fits the description needed).

ILoveEko

06-19-06, 11:58 AM

And it looks like "Thomas Jackson" = Thomas Mittelwerk (though we havent "seen" him yet, but the voice on the phone line fits the description needed).I'unno... they describe him as a nice man, and something about Mittelwerk doesn't come across that way, IMO.

aggiesean

06-19-06, 12:46 PM

I'unno... they describe him as a nice man, and something about Mittelwerk doesn't come across that way, IMO.

"Friendly" and "nice" are two different things, though. We haven't seen a movie of Mittelwerk yet, so it's hard to judge his full personality type, but even someone like Tom Delay has been described as "friendly" in conversation, even by his opponents. In fact, if Thomas Jackson is Mittelwerk, then this line:

Jackson is a friendly, convivial man - the kind of guy who can pour you a cup of coffee while making the argument that mass murder is a good thing... and you might just believe him.
makes me worry about him even more. A "friendly" evil guy is much more dangerous than a regular evil guy because a "friendly" evil guy can blind people to the evil by the friendliness.

:Cowdance:

goAlvar

06-19-06, 12:54 PM

Amy Jensen=Rachel Blake=Persephone.

duality

06-19-06, 12:58 PM

Amy Jensen=Rachel Blake=Persephone.

=A reason to watch this game much more closely.:heartpump

PandoraX

06-19-06, 10:55 PM

More characters... Dr. Hacken of the EDC, and Mel0Drama (though they might just both be aliases...)

trailgoat

06-19-06, 11:00 PM

On http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/index2.html it's Dr. Hackett.;)

PandoraX

06-19-06, 11:08 PM

On http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/index2.html it's Dr. Hackett.;)

Which guy? Hugh McIntyre?

trailgoat

06-19-06, 11:10 PM

No Pandora, your spelling of the doctor's name in your previous post. :)

3-Putt

06-20-06, 01:29 PM

Is Rachel Blake a half-sister to Jack, (whose mother now lives in Australia) ?

AMY JENSEN
Early to mid 20s.
An attractive, intelligent, resourceful and puckish young woman, Amy Jensen always suspected that a piece of her past was missing - that her single mother never told her the entire truth about her father.

VeeAyetheCPA

06-20-06, 01:52 PM

Is Rachel Blake a half-sister to Jack, (whose mother now lives in Australia) ?

I really like that theory, 3-Putt! They have to have some plans for Jack's sister since they went to the trouble to show us that one exists.

jlmlostarg

06-22-06, 05:39 AM

Hey folks, has anyone here exchanged IM's with DSLerator or iobiSeeingYou on AIM? Over at unfiction and 4815162342, several members have reported success in that area, and have pretty much received verification of authenticity, i.e. being told that ROT would be updated at a certain time and hints to where to find RB's vid on BBS.com.

Also, apparently DSLerator gave a link to a myspace profile (I know, I know, I can hear ALL of you groaning!). I looked at it and it is for...sit down now...Mandrake Wig! (Again, I hear the groans...) DSLerator told this person to "check the pics". So I did, as well, and there is a PS'ed pic of what the poster at 48..42.com called "a Verizon store employee with Wally Bolé's head PS'ed on."

Now, this has become my favorite board to follow (you all are so sharp that I rarely have anything new to offer) so I figured I would bring this over here and let all of you dig into it also. I know damn well that if there is anything to any of this, you guys will find it!

Tater

06-22-06, 06:53 AM

I just don't get why everyone is convinced Rachel Blake is Persephone... I mean the most obvious is that they talk nothing alike... Rachel does not have that valley girl talk that Persephone does... Rachel did thank Persephone for her work in her first video... and I can think of no reason whatsoever for Rachel to hide being Persephone comsidering the fact that she is willing to show her face and she is not hiding her agenda... besides... if Rachel is Persephone... then she has lied to us about it when she thanked Persephone... so if you think about it... do you really want to believe Rachel is Persephone if it makes her a liar and someone we can't trust...

'course I've been wrong before, but I want to believe Rachel is on our side...

Bottom Line... IF they are one and the same, then we are being mislead as a larger part of the conspiracy... now you don't believe that now do you?

Penelope

06-22-06, 01:30 PM

I just don't get why everyone is convinced Rachel Blake is Persephone... I mean the most obvious is that they talk nothing alike... Rachel does not have that valley girl talk that Persephone does... Rachel did thank Persephone for her work in her first video... and I can think of no reason whatsoever for Rachel to hide being Persephone comsidering the fact that she is willing to show her face and she is not hiding her agenda... besides... if Rachel is Persephone... then she has lied to us about it when she thanked Persephone... so if you think about it... do you really want to believe Rachel is Persephone if it makes her a liar and someone we can't trust...

These are the two main reasons I also DO NOT think Rachel is Persephone. As you will see from my post 1 of this thread, I have not even added Rachel to the Persephone information because I disagree, and its not confirmed. I maintain they are two separate characters until someone tells us otherwise.

Post 4 of this thread will soon contain information on the character we know as Rachel. I have been working on gathering our intel on her.

rottenralf

06-22-06, 01:45 PM

Penelope

06-22-06, 08:29 PM

Post four of this thread now contains information on the character Rachel Blake. Advise if I have missed something about her. Thanks.

3-Putt

06-22-06, 09:33 PM

Post four of this thread now contains information on the character Rachel Blake. Advise if I have missed something about her. Thanks.

Nothing further has been revealed as to why she is so motivated to bring down the Hanso foundation.

Is Rachel B. actually Rachel Brennan, not Blake. Is Blake a maiden name or an assumed name to help protect her identity ?

In the photo I have linked below (from Episode 1.22 - Born to Run), Kate is remarking about the family of Tom Brennan ---

[Tom hangs up the phone while Kate looks at a picture]

Tom: His name's Conner.

Kate: How old is he?

Tom: 22 months next week.

Kate: He's beautiful.

Tom: Yeah, well, it's from... Rachel... not me.

(As you know, Tom was killed helping Kate escape. His Rachel may have encountered THF in her investigation of his death. After all, Tom does seem to be attracted to strong women.)

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-promos/sea1/1x22-born/normal_btr-promo21.jpg

(As you may know, in a recent rerun, the show producers Photoshopped in the new actress that is playing Penelope into the photo that Desmond had with him in the Swan bunker that showed he and Penelope in front of some sailing ships. So, there is a precedent set, just in case the woman on the fridge is not "our" Rachel. So beware of that.:) )

littlelabrynth

07-08-06, 11:09 PM

When someone has time to get around to updating the first post, could someone add a few characters with short descriptions? I know that eveyone already has alot on their hands , but it would really help and I'm sure everyone (veteran mazers and newcomers alike) would benefit.

Could you update the characters from the ROT. I have been trying to make some connections there. Such as, (I appologize if someone has stated this before) I think maybe Mandrake Wig and Fiberoptician may be the same person. I began to wonder about this when Fiberoptician wrote "Nein." Both speak German.

I did not see DJ Dan or Tonya mentioned. There has been speculation that Javi is playing DJ Dan and also did the voice for Peter Thomson.

Once again, I understand that everyone has alot already and that not everybody is still here that was when the ARG began.

Here is a list of names I don't remember seeing mentioned in the first post:
DJ Dan
Tonya
His various callers

Mandrake Wig
DSLerator
BroadBandBeatnik
iobiSeeingYou
Fiberoptician

MelOdrama
Gidget Girl

Enzo Valenzetti
Dr. Armand Zander
Dr. Hackett

I'm sure there are several more, but these would help tremendously.
:Cheers:

BTW-One of the reasons that German caught my attention is because of the German voices that are hidden in the Whispers on the show and because rblake has listed "learn German" on the 43 things (http://www.43things.com/person/RBlake)site.

Echo

07-10-06, 02:36 AM

Littlelab,

I think you're on to something with Mandrake=Fiberoptician. Do you think that Wally would be on the ROT message board then? Who would he be according to this theory?

littlelabrynth

07-10-06, 09:48 AM

I haven't really decided if Dr. "Wally" Boles is real yet. My guess is that he is just a made up character used for their public Retreivers of Truth webpage. If retrieversoftruth.com (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/default.aspx) is just a cover for their secret forum, then chances are that "Wally" is fictional. However, I could be wrong. We have been introduce to several new characters, and with the Retreivers of Truth characters, we receive very choppy information regarding their backgrounds and personalities.

In addition to wanting to find evidence that Fiberoptician = Mandrake Wig, I also wanted to try to link MelOdrama to DSLerator. I only thought this because Mel0drama offered to hide Rachel's blog videos and DSLerator has that ability. I'm sorry I can't really expand on any theory. I am just not good at looking at the overall picture.

Here is a some information I have been able to deduce about the ROT members.:

Retreivers of Truth—Verizon Employees
DSLerator--Single. His mother was a major influence in his life. His physical features are identical to hers and that woman put all her hopes in him after the death of his twin brother. His father wasn't in the picture when he was growing up. He’s never even seen the man. His mother raised him by her self. Hooked DJ Dan up with a place to host his podcast twice. Hooked Rachel up with a place to host her pizza delivery blog video. At first seemed against using IM to converse with strangers, but later admits to doing just that.*snip*

iobiSeeingYou--Female; called “P” by Fiberoptician. Created www.richerdeeperbroader.com (http://www.richerdeeperbroader.com/).

Fiberoptician--Speaks German. He would like to live vicariously through TrekShare (Quote is taken directly from the website (http://www.trekshare.com/): “The premier travel publishing resource on the net. Publish images, interactive travellogs, movies, custom maps, and travel tips. Explore insane trips within a community of unbiased trevelers.)

BroadBandBeatnik--Created retrieversoftruth.com (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/default.aspx) website.
Edited Rachel’s pizza delivery blog video. Against using IM to converse with strangers.

I have not finished going back over all the information we have so far, so I appologize if I have missed anything.

For whoever will be updating the character thread, please feel free to use this information if it is found helpful. I'm not very tech savy, but maybe I can help some.

If I got anything wrong, please let me know.

ETA: Mel0drama info
ETA2: Fiberoptician info
ETA3: Removed speculation that DSLerator is the same person as Mel0drama.

littlelabrynth

07-10-06, 08:57 PM

OK. There is a strong possibility that Mel0drama is the same person as DSLerator. Rachel confirmed that Mel0drama hid her video with this (http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/archive/2006_06_18_archive.html)blog entry and DSLerator confirmed that he was able to hook her up with a broadband story on the ROT thread dated 6/19/06 (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/default.aspx).

UPDATE: I made a mistake. In reality, the video that was posted on 6/19/06 by DSLerator was found on broadbandstories and Mel0drama hid a video for Rachel on sublymonal.com on 6/23/06. The fruit memo from Dr. Hackett was also found in a hidden folder (http://www.sublymonal.com/_hidden/48/) alongside Rachel's video.

Therefore, I NO LONGER THINK that DSLerator is the same person as Mel0drama. Sorry for any confusion.

~G~

07-14-06, 08:25 PM

First page: please update with deceased info on Hugh and Darla.

truffula

07-14-06, 08:30 PM

First page: please update with deceased info on Hugh and Darla.
Done. :)

rvturnage

07-14-06, 08:36 PM

Ok, Mel0drama is definately DSLerator.Rachel confirmed that Mel0drama hid her video with this (http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/archive/2006_06_18_archive.html)blog entry and DSLerator confirmed that he was able to hook her up with a broadband story on the ROT thread dated 6/19/06 (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/default.aspx).

The only thing that I question about this...if he was DSLerator, why would mel0drama lie about his employer, and post that internal memo about the employer (remember the "fruit" thing?),

rvt

littlelabrynth

07-15-06, 02:04 AM

I see what your saying...let's see if I can make some sense out of this.
Mel0drama states he used to work for Dr. Hackett and that as a punishment for asking too many questions , he now works in the archive department at the Engineering Development Center in Atlanta. He was demoted or transfered or something. He claims that Dr. Hackett is now there (visiting) at the EDC. Because of this, I believe Mel0drama and Dr. Hackett no longer work in the same city/country.

Well, well, well. I just had a pretty intriguing conversation with a user by the name of Mel0Drama in my Comments section. Check it out:

Mel0Drama: Rachel... I don't know if you really look through all these
threads, but if you do, I NEED to talk to you.

Hello?

Rachel? Hi? Hello?

Me: Hey, Mel0Drama - what's up?

Mel0Drama: Call me Mel.

Me: What's up, Mel?

Mel0Drama: Nobody ever listens to me. This is stupid.

Me: I just looked back through the posts. You say you NEED to talk. About what? you got info on Hanso? Mittelwerk?

Mel0Drama: No... not really. I can't specifically link either of them...

Me: So... what, Mel? Girlfriend problems? Need a stock tip?

Mel0Drama: Don't. make. fun. of. me.

Me: This conversation is about ten seconds from over.

Mel0Drama: He's in our heads, Rachel.

Me: Who is?

Mel0Drama: Hackett. Dr. Hackett.

Me: Okay... I've never heard of a Dr. Hackett.

Mel0Drama: I used to work for him. He's here, with the rest of them. In Atlanta. At the EDC. They sneak it in, we lap it up. I have proof!

Me: Mel, it's been fascinating. Truly.

Mel0Drama: WAIT!! You need safe passage for your videos. You said so yourself. Places you can hide them. Places THEY can't find them. I have a place. Nobody can get to it but ME. I have all the keys. Your videos will be safe for all to see.

Me: What are you talking about?

Mel0Drama: I work in the archive of the Engineering Development Center. It was a punishment. I asked Hackett too many questions. But he never could have guessed... the ARCHIVE was the last place he should have sent me to work. I have the proof. The DOCUMENTS are all there. Sealed in a vault. Untouched by human hands. Ready to convict. And, I need you to help me expose them.

Me: So, why don't you just post your evidence here and get done with it?

Mel0Drama: BECAUSE NOBODY BELIEVES ME. They have to see for themselves. They have to see the documents. Sitting in the company vault. On the company mainframe. Please. It's a fair exchange.

Me: What is?

Mel0Drama: I'll hide your video, secure it for your users to access online. Password-protected. On a CORPORATE mainframe. Untouchable. All you have to do is tell your followers to go to my archive portal and hear my story... once they do, I'll place your video in the archive vault. They can watch it through my portal!

Me: No. Here's how I work. You host my video, keep it secure. If I'm satisfied people can see it, that The Hanso Foundation can't hack it, that YOU'RE not part of the Foundation yourself, THEN I'll put the word out to my friends to check out your "evidence" about Hackett and whatever the heck you think he's doing. Deal?

Mel0Drama: ... Deal.

Me: Cool. Gotta go. I've got 43 things to do to stop their "better tomorrow"

Looks like Mel and I will be in touch. Do I trust him? Not yet... but, from here on out, looks like everything I do's gonna be a gamble.  MORE TOMORROW!!

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DSLerator works in the same building as at least one of the other ROT members. This is confirmed when DSLerator post that Mittlewerk had just walked by his desk, and Fiberoptician exclaims, "What, he's back on the premises?"

4/12/06
DSLerator gets board up and running. It is agreed that they will meet each Wednesday.

4/19/06
BroadBandBeatnik inquires if anyone else receivedthe “SOS” on the HANSO organization from DSLerator. Fiberoptician then states, “The Hanso people were just visiting the headquarters on tour. It was some PR photo op, man!” He is then referred to as a non-believer by iobiSeeingYou. DSLerator then replies, “Ok. First Of All. Have you no idea who these people (http://thehansofoundation.org/) are?? They don't NEED any PR. They probably own every news network between here and Pluto! Second. Mittelwork doesn't just ride around on publicity tours. What is he doing glad-handing with our bosses?? “

4/26/06
DSLerator asks if the others have looked at the photo of Alvar Hanso on the HANSO website. BroadBandBeatnik asks, “So is this taken when he did jail time?” and iobiSeeingYou states the man obviously doesn't want to be recognized... shady.”

DSLerator then mentions, “And it's not just the photo. Some reliable water cooler sources have been hinting that all the big wigs are cashing in their stock options "just in case something happens". Gotta run, the boss has been on us about meeting deadlines. Be back later.” To which BroadBandBeatnik replies, “HUH? Don't go now. What do you know?!” The group then decides at DSLerators suggestion that they secure the codes and make it so the board is not quite so out in the open.

4/30/06
DSLerator begins by stating, “Dog site should be up and running in the next few hours. Everyone restart your browsers when you sign in later. Everyone on board?” Fiberoptician said he “Spent 15 minutes reading about Labrador Retrievers. Thought something was up with my connection before the Hanso mention.”

5/3/06
DSLerator states, “I'm getting tired of these Hanso people…Their projects are shady and I don't like whatever it is they are up to.” Fiberoptician asks, “What, you don't want to make Hanso Broadband for Dolphins®?”

DSLerator replies with, “That’s exactly what I'm saying. Am I the only one that thinks Hanso is planning to use us and our technologies to further their schemes?!”

BroadBandBeatnik responds with, “No I hear you. And I'm not handing over any codes to any droids.” And iobiSeeingYou adds, “I’m sure we can get someone to listen if we notice anything really suspicious. DSL, confess who is your water cooler source?”

DSLerator balks, “Yeah, like I'm gonna up and tell you all my secrets. You could be one of THEM!!! ;-PPPPP I kid, I kid... And what exactly is your definition of suspicious? I'd say they crossed that line on day one.”

5/10/06
Fiberoptician states that out of curiosity he tried signing up For the HANSO newsletter and “the site looked hacked & asked for a password.”

DSLerator says that his “password generator has been at it for hours.” However, BroadBandBeatnik then says, “I'm one step ahead. Call their phone number: 1877HANSORG....Really crazy voice mails, static, and interruptions. Press 1 and a girl breaks in to give you a password.”

iobiSeeingYou then says, “I don't know if I buy this. The girl hacks the company site and breaks into the phone system? Do you think this could be a trap? She's got to have inside information. Maybe she is a spy for the Hanso people. I'd say proceed with caution.”

Fiberoptician replies with, “Don't get tangled up in your paranoid theories. All we know now is that HANSO is definitely unsavory. If someone out there is trying to figure out the truth, I'd support them.”

BroadBandBeatnik and iobiSeeingYou finally decipher the password. “BREAKING STRAIN” Finally, Fiberoptician gains access to the hack.

5/17/06
DSLerator begins by asking, “So, has anyone been snooping around the Hanso site? Been to Joop's corner? Tried to talk to the monkey?” iobiSeeingYou states, “That Hanso has nothing on us. They can clone all the monkeys on the planet but our FiOS is space age technology. An original.”

DSLerator replies with, “The way things stand now with HANSO folks lurking around our offices, how can you be sure you are not developing programs for the talking monkey people?”

Fiberoptician responds with, “No way have I been writing code for a talking monkey sponsored project. I don't buy it.”

5/24/06
DSLerator begins with, “Mittelwerk just walked by my desk.” Fiberoptician says, “What? He's back on the premises?”

DSLerator then states that he has “been googling HANSO and really odd sites come up. http://emri.perception.net (http://emri.perception.net/) - "access disabled indefinitely?" Projects on hiatus? Bizarre with a capital B?”

BroadBandBeatnik states, “Why am I not surprised?” and iobiSeeingYou says, “All their "activities" seem to happen under the radar.”

DSLerator responds with, “There's more to this then meets the eye...”

DSLerator then states, “Ugh! By the way, M. is in with the boss. I can swear I just saw him snatch a folder off the shelf!!”

5/31/06
iobiSeeingYou is the only poster this time. She begins with “Another discovery!! Gary Troup is shining light on the foundation in question in Bad Twin and they've even published a disclaimer on their own site...The louder you scream out your innocence, the guiltier you appear.”

Later iobiSeeingYou adds “Ok, who beside me was just watching Jimmy Kimmel Live? Hugh McIntyre of the Hanso Foundation was a guest! Totally living up to that "Public Voice of Hanso" title…Weird thing is his picture's no longer up on the Hanso site.”

06/07/06
DSLerator reveals some personal information. “Did you know that my mother was a major influence in my life? My physical features are identical to hers. That woman put all her hopes in me after the death of my twin brother…my father wasn't in the picture growing up. I've never even seen the man. Mom raised me completely on her own.

BroadBandBeatnik states, “I believe there is a Japanese mouse in this building. The kind that's been through the maze so many times, it lost track of its original purpose. And now instead of working of the greater good of humanity, the experiment has turned on itself and the Laws of Nature have been torn to shreds...

iobiSeeingYou responds with, “You have to admire the species that cling to survival. Survival is the source of our strength and some say even the meaning of it all. Later iobiSeeingYou returns with an update: www.richerdeeperbroader.com (http://www.richerdeeperbroader.com/) is up. Her best effort to date.

Later that day, DSLerator post “If you are reading this, you've found your way to the truth. Thank you and welcome. We seek to unite with like-minded people out there to bring an end to the HANSO Foundation and their evil schemes. This message board was started to create a circle of trust among a select few. Since then, we've discovered several suspicious activities surrounding our company that all point to HANSO. Check back often and read up on our latest discoveries in our quest to find out the honest to goodness. The Retrievers of Truth.”

6/14/06
DSLerator begins by proclaiming, “OUR RESISTANCE IS NOW LEGIT…DJ Dan has made contact He's into our struggle and wants us to help him get the word out about Hanso. He's even given us the unique honor of posting one of his podcasts…This is some crazy stuff. Electromagnetism, robots, mind control, and East Asia.”

6/16/06
DSLerator begins with, “Ok, so a few days ago someone strange tried to talk to me on IM…No joke people. He was asking me if I have any information on Hanso.”

iobiSeeingYou asks, “What'd you tell him?!?” to which DSLerator replies, “Who do you take me for? I'm careful and suspicious. Maybe this guy was from Hanso himself. Trying to figure out what we know. I told him this is a case of mistaken identity.”

iobiSeeingYou then argues, “Oh yeah? DSL, you got it all wrong. What if this someone was just trying to reach out? People are definitely starting to get clued in to what's going on. We should make contact. It's our responsibility.”

BroadBandBeatnik states, “If you are so eager to make contact, you do it. I'm not risking getting kidnapped or stalked by the cult of Hanso.” To which iobiSeeingYou responds, “Watch me.”

DSLerator then says, “I'd advise you against that. I'm getting a feeling we are being closely watched.” Fiberoptician says, “So watch 'em back.” And DSLerator responds with, “I intend to.”

6/19/06
iobiSeeingYou begins by asking, “Have you been to the www.broadbandstories.com (http://www.broadbandstories.com/) lately? I think that Eye Tracker dude is from the Hanso "PR tour". Site controlled keyboard??? Fiber, what's your take on this?” Fiberoptician responds with “Forget the Cyclops, the Star Wars Troupers tribute is HOT! Someone needs to recruit that guy into our development dept. The man obviously has his priorities STRAIGHT!”

BroadBandBeatnik tells iobiSeeingYou, “leave the poor fanboy alone. He and I were in C++ together. He's harmless.” To which Fiberoptician jokes, “Aha. All that means is that you and he are in the same Ivy cult mafia. Anyway what I'd like to do is live vicariously through TrekShare. See you all later.”

iobiSeeingYou - 11:00am - Well, what about The Urballoon? If that's is not a Hanso foundation project, I don't know who is! Are they using our sites to peddle their shady research to the joe public? I think I'm on to their schemes.

DSLerator - 11:10am - What better way to get to free test audiences?

BroadBandBeatnik - 12:00pm - Wow, that's it huh? Some new gizmo communication techniques? Same old shaZzzzz.... We've been in the biz before Alvar Hanso knew what a modem is.

DSLerator brags, “Heh. By the way. Guess who I just hooked up with a BB story?“ After so silly guessing, iobiSeeingYou responds with, “No you didn't…”

DSLerator says, “I sure did. I said I was taking this revolution to the next level. You are either in or you are out.” (This was the day that Rachel’s pizza delivery blog video was hidden on www.broadbandstories.com (http://www.broadbandstories.com/).)

This is as far as I condensed the threads looking for clues.

This is a quick theory just to put some pieces together:

First, let's start with DSLerator's background. He states, "Did you know that my mother was a major influence in my life? My physical features are identical to hers. That woman put all her hopes in me after the death of my twin brother…my father wasn't in the picture growing up. I've never even seen the man. Mom raised me completely on her own.”

Now, IF Dr. Hackett works for the HANSO Foundation, he could have been involved in some questionable experimental research. When DSLerator was hired to work for Dr. Hackett, neither he nor his mother probably had any idea exactly what they were researching. IF DSLerator's mother (or twin brother) became sick, they could have been naive enought to allow Dr. Hackett to treat/experiment on DSL's mother/brother. Now let's say, that DSL's mother/brother died. He would definately start to ask questions. This is why he was transfered to another city/state/country. To keep him from asking questions.

But lo and behold, where did they transfer him to. The archive department of the EDC in Atlanta where he found proof. "The DOCUMENTS are all there. Sealed in a vault. Untouched by human hands. Ready to convict."

To me, DSLerator seems to already know the extent of power and control that the HANSO Foundation is able to wield. He is the one who created the secret ROT board; he is the one who originally sent out an "SOS" to all the other members about the HANSO website; he was the one perpetually telling the other members about how shady HANSO is and how they do not understand just how powerful HANSO is; he is the one who suggested that they do a better job securing the site; he is the one who took an avid interest in accessing the hacks from Persephone on the HANSO website; he brags about hooking DJ Dan with a pod cast twice and he implied that he hooked Rachel up with a BroadBandStory the same day it was found on that site; he is the one who begins to get nervous about being watched and later becomes convinced...etc.

Let's assume that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person. If Mel0drama's mother/brother died and he began to ask too many questions, he would have been terminated or transferred. It is easier to monitor what he says/does if he is transferred, so off to Atlanta he is sent. Still angry about what happened to his mother/brother, he finds exactly what he needs to in order to prove his beliefs/accusations.

Still trying to work everything out in his mind, he comes accross the HANSO website and Persephone's hacks. Here is another person who is trying to expose the HANSO Foundation for the corrupt coorporation they are. Immediately, he begins to try to track her down so they can join forces. But because of fear and uncertainty on both sides, Mel0drama is very dodgy and Rachel very untrusting. However, some form of trust must have been formed, because according to this (http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/archive/2006_06_18_archive.html)blog entry from Rachel and the ROT thread dated 6/19/06 (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/default.aspx), Mel0drama hosted the video for Rachel and DSLerator claimed to have hooked her up with a BroadbandStory, which is where her video was found.

Now on to Verizon. (This is just pulling from thin air in hopes of completing the picture. I do not know of any evidence which will support what I am about to say.) MAYBE the ROT members don't actually work for Verizon. Maybe, due to the corporate dominance of the HANSO Foundation, and/or the nature of work performed at the EDC in Atlanta, they may have a Verizon department which has joined with the EDC and HANSO in order to further their experiments. I'm sure HANSO would benefit from having a contractual agreement with Verizon and having an on site department would better keep secrets from other Verizon employees/CEOs/Board of Directors.

Now then...onto the fruit thing.
I'm sorry, I am not sure which fruit thing you are referring to. The only one I can remember was a during a DJ Dan podcast, he stated, "If Rachel Blake is willing to risk her pretty little neck, let's step up and help her! Go to her site, rap with her! And if you ever happen to bump into her in the real world, and she is being followed by some shady goons? Do us all a favor, and drop a banana peel..."

If this is the correct reference, then I interpret that to mean that we should drop the banana peel behind her to foil or trip up the goon that is following her. Now that we've all seen Mittlewerk limp around like a goon, maybe that's what he meant.

Does this clarify anything? If I have missed something, please let me know. I'm not saying I am 100% correct. But I think this might be close.

Ohh...if there is another fruit thing, can you please post me a link?

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rvturnage

07-15-06, 03:46 PM

I see what your saying...let's see if I can make some sense out of this.
Mel0drama states he used to work for Dr. Hackett and that as a punishment for asking too many questions , he now works in the archive department at the Engineering Development Center in Atlanta. He was demoted or transfered or something. He claims that Dr. Hackett is now there (visiting) at the EDC. Because of this, I believe Mel0drama and Dr. Hackett no longer work in the same city/country.

I simply took this to mean that Dr. Hacket and the others are working on something at the EDC, and that mel0 works in the archives at the EDC.

DSLerator works in the same building as at least one of the other ROT members. This is confirmed when DSLerator post that Mittlewerk had just walked by his desk, and Fiberoptician exclaims, "What, he's back on the premises?"

4/12/06
DSLerator gets board up and running. It is agreed that they will meet each Wednesday.

4/19/06
BroadBandBeatnik inquires if anyone else receivedthe “SOS” on the HANSO organization from DSLerator. Fiberoptician then states, “The Hanso people were just visiting the headquarters on tour. It was some PR photo op, man!” He is then referred to as a non-believer by iobiSeeingYou. DSLerator then replies, “Ok. First Of All. Have you no idea who these people (http://thehansofoundation.org/) are?? They don't NEED any PR. They probably own every news network between here and Pluto! Second. Mittelwork doesn't just ride around on publicity tours. What is he doing glad-handing with our bosses?? “

4/26/06
DSLerator asks if the others have looked at the photo of Alvar Hanso on the HANSO website. BroadBandBeatnik asks, “So is this taken when he did jail time?” and iobiSeeingYou states the man obviously doesn't want to be recognized... shady.”

DSLerator then mentions, “And it's not just the photo. Some reliable water cooler sources have been hinting that all the big wigs are cashing in their stock options "just in case something happens". Gotta run, the boss has been on us about meeting deadlines. Be back later.” To which BroadBandBeatnik replies, “HUH? Don't go now. What do you know?!” The group then decides at DSLerators suggestion that they secure the codes and make it so the board is not quite so out in the open.

4/30/06
DSLerator begins by stating, “Dog site should be up and running in the next few hours. Everyone restart your browsers when you sign in later. Everyone on board?” Fiberoptician said he “Spent 15 minutes reading about Labrador Retrievers. Thought something was up with my connection before the Hanso mention.”

5/3/06
DSLerator states, “I'm getting tired of these Hanso people…Their projects are shady and I don't like whatever it is they are up to.” Fiberoptician asks, “What, you don't want to make Hanso Broadband for Dolphins®?”

DSLerator replies with, “That’s exactly what I'm saying. Am I the only one that thinks Hanso is planning to use us and our technologies to further their schemes?!”

BroadBandBeatnik responds with, “No I hear you. And I'm not handing over any codes to any droids.” And iobiSeeingYou adds, “I’m sure we can get someone to listen if we notice anything really suspicious. DSL, confess who is your water cooler source?”

DSLerator balks, “Yeah, like I'm gonna up and tell you all my secrets. You could be one of THEM!!! ;-PPPPP I kid, I kid... And what exactly is your definition of suspicious? I'd say they crossed that line on day one.”

5/10/06
Fiberoptician states that out of curiosity he tried signing up For the HANSO newsletter and “the site looked hacked & asked for a password.”

DSLerator says that his “password generator has been at it for hours.” However, BroadBandBeatnik then says, “I'm one step ahead. Call their phone number: 1877HANSORG....Really crazy voice mails, static, and interruptions. Press 1 and a girl breaks in to give you a password.”

iobiSeeingYou then says, “I don't know if I buy this. The girl hacks the company site and breaks into the phone system? Do you think this could be a trap? She's got to have inside information. Maybe she is a spy for the Hanso people. I'd say proceed with caution.”

Fiberoptician replies with, “Don't get tangled up in your paranoid theories. All we know now is that HANSO is definitely unsavory. If someone out there is trying to figure out the truth, I'd support them.”

BroadBandBeatnik and iobiSeeingYou finally decipher the password. “BREAKING STRAIN” Finally, Fiberoptician gains access to the hack.

5/17/06
DSLerator begins by asking, “So, has anyone been snooping around the Hanso site? Been to Joop's corner? Tried to talk to the monkey?” iobiSeeingYou states, “That Hanso has nothing on us. They can clone all the monkeys on the planet but our FiOS is space age technology. An original.”

DSLerator replies with, “The way things stand now with HANSO folks lurking around our offices, how can you be sure you are not developing programs for the talking monkey people?”

Fiberoptician responds with, “No way have I been writing code for a talking monkey sponsored project. I don't buy it.”

5/24/06
DSLerator begins with, “Mittelwerk just walked by my desk.” Fiberoptician says, “What? He's back on the premises?”

DSLerator then states that he has “been googling HANSO and really odd sites come up. http://emri.perception.net (http://emri.perception.net/) - "access disabled indefinitely?" Projects on hiatus? Bizarre with a capital B?”

BroadBandBeatnik states, “Why am I not surprised?” and iobiSeeingYou says, “All their "activities" seem to happen under the radar.”

DSLerator responds with, “There's more to this then meets the eye...”

DSLerator then states, “Ugh! By the way, M. is in with the boss. I can swear I just saw him snatch a folder off the shelf!!”

5/31/06
iobiSeeingYou is the only poster this time. She begins with “Another discovery!! Gary Troup is shining light on the foundation in question in Bad Twin and they've even published a disclaimer on their own site...The louder you scream out your innocence, the guiltier you appear.”

Later iobiSeeingYou adds “Ok, who beside me was just watching Jimmy Kimmel Live? Hugh McIntyre of the Hanso Foundation was a guest! Totally living up to that "Public Voice of Hanso" title…Weird thing is his picture's no longer up on the Hanso site.”

06/07/06
DSLerator reveals some personal information. “Did you know that my mother was a major influence in my life? My physical features are identical to hers. That woman put all her hopes in me after the death of my twin brother…my father wasn't in the picture growing up. I've never even seen the man. Mom raised me completely on her own.

BroadBandBeatnik states, “I believe there is a Japanese mouse in this building. The kind that's been through the maze so many times, it lost track of its original purpose. And now instead of working of the greater good of humanity, the experiment has turned on itself and the Laws of Nature have been torn to shreds...

iobiSeeingYou responds with, “You have to admire the species that cling to survival. Survival is the source of our strength and some say even the meaning of it all. Later iobiSeeingYou returns with an update: www.richerdeeperbroader.com (http://www.richerdeeperbroader.com/) is up. Her best effort to date.

Later that day, DSLerator post “If you are reading this, you've found your way to the truth. Thank you and welcome. We seek to unite with like-minded people out there to bring an end to the HANSO Foundation and their evil schemes. This message board was started to create a circle of trust among a select few. Since then, we've discovered several suspicious activities surrounding our company that all point to HANSO. Check back often and read up on our latest discoveries in our quest to find out the honest to goodness. The Retrievers of Truth.”

6/14/06
DSLerator begins by proclaiming, “OUR RESISTANCE IS NOW LEGIT…DJ Dan has made contact He's into our struggle and wants us to help him get the word out about Hanso. He's even given us the unique honor of posting one of his podcasts…This is some crazy stuff. Electromagnetism, robots, mind control, and East Asia.”

6/16/06
DSLerator begins with, “Ok, so a few days ago someone strange tried to talk to me on IM…No joke people. He was asking me if I have any information on Hanso.”

iobiSeeingYou asks, “What'd you tell him?!?” to which DSLerator replies, “Who do you take me for? I'm careful and suspicious. Maybe this guy was from Hanso himself. Trying to figure out what we know. I told him this is a case of mistaken identity.”

iobiSeeingYou then argues, “Oh yeah? DSL, you got it all wrong. What if this someone was just trying to reach out? People are definitely starting to get clued in to what's going on. We should make contact. It's our responsibility.”

BroadBandBeatnik states, “If you are so eager to make contact, you do it. I'm not risking getting kidnapped or stalked by the cult of Hanso.” To which iobiSeeingYou responds, “Watch me.”

DSLerator then says, “I'd advise you against that. I'm getting a feeling we are being closely watched.” Fiberoptician says, “So watch 'em back.” And DSLerator responds with, “I intend to.”

6/19/06
iobiSeeingYou begins by asking, “Have you been to the www.broadbandstories.com (http://www.broadbandstories.com/) lately? I think that Eye Tracker dude is from the Hanso "PR tour". Site controlled keyboard??? Fiber, what's your take on this?” Fiberoptician responds with “Forget the Cyclops, the Star Wars Troupers tribute is HOT! Someone needs to recruit that guy into our development dept. The man obviously has his priorities STRAIGHT!”

BroadBandBeatnik tells iobiSeeingYou, “leave the poor fanboy alone. He and I were in C++ together. He's harmless.” To which Fiberoptician jokes, “Aha. All that means is that you and he are in the same Ivy cult mafia. Anyway what I'd like to do is live vicariously through TrekShare. See you all later.”

iobiSeeingYou - 11:00am - Well, what about The Urballoon? If that's is not a Hanso foundation project, I don't know who is! Are they using our sites to peddle their shady research to the joe public? I think I'm on to their schemes.

DSLerator - 11:10am - What better way to get to free test audiences?

BroadBandBeatnik - 12:00pm - Wow, that's it huh? Some new gizmo communication techniques? Same old shaZzzzz.... We've been in the biz before Alvar Hanso knew what a modem is.

DSLerator brags, “Heh. By the way. Guess who I just hooked up with a BB story?“ After so silly guessing, iobiSeeingYou responds with, “No you didn't…”

DSLerator says, “I sure did. I said I was taking this revolution to the next level. You are either in or you are out.” (This was the day that Rachel’s pizza delivery blog video was hidden on www.broadbandstories.com (http://www.broadbandstories.com/).)

This is as far as I condensed the threads looking for clues.

This is a quick theory just to put some pieces together:

First, let's start with DSLerator's background. He states, "Did you know that my mother was a major influence in my life? My physical features are identical to hers. That woman put all her hopes in me after the death of my twin brother…my father wasn't in the picture growing up. I've never even seen the man. Mom raised me completely on her own.”

Now, IF Dr. Hackett works for the HANSO Foundation, he could have been involved in some questionable experimental research. When DSLerator was hired to work for Dr. Hackett, neither he nor his mother probably had any idea exactly what they were researching. IF DSLerator's mother (or twin brother) became sick, they could have been naive enought to allow Dr. Hackett to treat/experiment on DSL's mother/brother. Now let's say, that DSL's mother/brother died. He would definately start to ask questions. This is why he was transfered to another city/state/country. To keep him from asking questions.

But lo and behold, where did they transfer him to. The archive department of the EDC in Atlanta where he found proof. "The DOCUMENTS are all there. Sealed in a vault. Untouched by human hands. Ready to convict."

To me, DSLerator seems to already know the extent of power and control that the HANSO Foundation is able to wield. He is the one who created the secret ROT board; he is the one who originally sent out an "SOS" to all the other members about the HANSO website; he was the one perpetually telling the other members about how shady HANSO is and how they do not understand just how powerful HANSO is; he is the one who suggested that they do a better job securing the site; he is the one who took an avid interest in accessing the hacks from Persephone on the HANSO website; he brags about hooking DJ Dan with a pod cast twice and he implied that he hooked Rachel up with a BroadBandStory the same day it was found on that site; he is the one who begins to get nervous about being watched and later becomes convinced...etc.

Let's assume that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person. If Mel0drama's mother/brother died and he began to ask too many questions, he would have been terminated or transferred. It is easier to monitor what he says/does if he is transferred, so off to Atlanta he is sent. Still angry about what happened to his mother/brother, he finds exactly what he needs to in order to prove his beliefs/accusations.

Still trying to work everything out in his mind, he comes accross the HANSO website and Persephone's hacks. Here is another person who is trying to expose the HANSO Foundation for the corrupt coorporation they are. Immediately, he begins to try to track her down so they can join forces. But because of fear and uncertainty on both sides, Mel0drama is very dodgy and Rachel very untrusting. However, some form of trust must have been formed, because according to this (http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/archive/2006_06_18_archive.html)blog entry from Rachel and the ROT thread dated 6/19/06 (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/default.aspx), Mel0drama hosted the video for Rachel and DSLerator claimed to have hooked her up with a BroadbandStory, which is where her video was found.

Now on to Verizon. (This is just pulling from thin air in hopes of completing the picture. I do not know of any evidence which will support what I am about to say.) MAYBE the ROT members don't actually work for Verizon. Maybe, due to the corporate dominance of the HANSO Foundation, and/or the nature of work performed at the EDC in Atlanta, they may have a Verizon department which has joined with the EDC and HANSO in order to further their experiments. I'm sure HANSO would benefit from having a contractual agreement with Verizon and having an on site department would better keep secrets from other Verizon employees/CEOs/Board of Directors.

I was under the impression that everyone of the ROT contributors worked for Verizon in some capacity. They even mention being upset that their great company would be corrupted by Hanso (paraphrasing). You are right that the timing of Rachels vid on broadbandstories is interesting, but I'm not sure it's conclusive.

Also, I never took the whole DSLerator was a twin, my featuers were identical to hismothers, dind't know his father thing as true. It was part of a clue for the password to a hack: parthenogenesis

Now then...onto the fruit thing.
I'm sorry, I am not sure which fruit thing you are referring to. The only one I can remember was a during a DJ Dan podcast, he stated, "If Rachel Blake is willing to risk her pretty little neck, let's step up and help her! Go to her site, rap with her! And if you ever happen to bump into her in the real world, and she is being followed by some shady goons? Do us all a favor, and drop a banana peel..."

If this is the correct reference, then I interpret that to mean that we should drop the banana peel behind her to foil or trip up the goon that is following her. Now that we've all seen Mittlewerk limp around like a goon, maybe that's what he meant.

Does this clarify anything? If I have missed something, please let me know. I'm not saying I am 100% correct. But I think this might be close.

Ohh...if there is another fruit thing, can you please post me a link?

Edited spelling
The "fruit thing" I was referring to is this memo from Dr. Hacket:

http://www.sublymonal.com/_hidden/48/untitled-2.html

it was found at the same time, in the same folder, as Rachel's video of bumping into Mittelwerk. The memo was somewhat overlooked dur to all the fuss over finding the islands. In it, Hacket says "your work is proving fruitful (pun intended)"...that's all I could remember about the memo...sorry for the obscure reference :) But it's from Hacket, and apparently supplied by Mel0.

You could be right about mel0 changing jobs and leaking the info, but I just don't read anything that points to that...and basically just wanted to caution against "definately" saying they are the same person.

Of course, i'm usually wrong about this kind of thing. :)

rvt

littlelabrynth

07-15-06, 04:30 PM

Gotcha. You bring up some very valid points.

I was originally just trying to make some connections and flesh out some clues when I assumed that Mel0drama and DSLerator were the same person. I honestly never planned to end up trying to come up with any theory, just for this reason. There is simply not enough information yet. I just got excited when I thought that I had finally found something.

I do still think that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person though. If I were in his shoes, I would probably lie about where I worked as well. Especially, if I already thought I was being watched.

Thanks for the refresher on the "fruit" memo. I looked at that once and then forgot all about it. I have no idea what that could be about. You said that it was supplied by Mel0drama? I'll have to have another look at that when I get home later.

I agree, I probably jumped the gun. I will go back and edit the posts to read that there is a possibility that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person since there is still a chance that they may not be.

However, I will still believe they are because of Rachel's post and DSLerators statement (in which he does not say Rachel, rblake or anything that directly refers to Rachel...it just happens to be Rachel's story that is found).

Thank you rvt for questioning my idea. This is the only way to figure this stuff out...by team effort.

rvturnage

07-15-06, 06:30 PM

I do still think that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person though. If I were in his shoes, I would probably lie about where I worked as well. Especially, if I already thought I was being watched.

Thanks for the refresher on the "fruit" memo. I looked at that once and then forgot all about it. I have no idea what that could be about. You said that it was supplied by Mel0drama? I'll have to have another look at that when I get home later.

I agree, I probably jumped the gun. I will go back and edit the posts to read that there is a possibility that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person since there is still a chance that they may not be.

Thank you rvt for questioning my idea. This is the only way to figure this stuff out...by team effort.
You're very welcome...when I'm coming up with theories, I always overlook stuff and need to be reminded...but I think you're probably right...I'd say strong possibility that Mel0drama and DSLerator are the same person. But there's still enough things that don't add up that make me question that. Plus, given TPTB track record, the video post to broadbands by DSL could have simply been overlooked.

as for the "fruit memo", it's assumed that Mel0drama supplied it, because of Rachel not knowing anything about a Dr. Hacket, and part of the agreement between Rachel and Mel0drama was that she would help get his "proof" in front of peoples eyes.

rvt

snakey

07-16-06, 01:41 AM

Does anyone think BBB is taking the job with Hanso and the Doc to be on the inside? is it possible he could be Mel0drama or is that out of the question, lil lab?

littlelabrynth

07-16-06, 02:23 AM

rvt

Thanks once again for refreshing my memory about the fruit memo. Now that I've had a chance to sit down and really look at the document, I see it states that in 1988, Dr. Hackett was the Director at the EDC. I am going to take that to mean that Mel0drama was demoted to the archive department, but still works in the same building as Dr. Hackett. I'm not sure what they do at the EDC, but it definately involves experimentation and fiberoptic technology.

The 1988 memo from Dr. Hackett to Dr. Kini at Lewis King Labratories, AG, states that the "reformation trials (Project Sumo) are progressing well...Your work is proving fruitful (pun intended) in establishing the proof that the original experimentation was confounded by the rediculous implementation parameters established by our friends in Copenhagen." I assume this is referring to the HANSO Foundation. This would be approximately one year after HANSO allegedly stopped funding DHARMA, according to Hugh McIntyre on Jimmy Kimmel.

This leads me to believe that whatever HANSO was up to, they had a vast network on companies underneath their corporate umbrella. HANSO was directly involved with unorthodox experimentation on savants at the VIK Institute. HANSO funded experiments for DHARMA until 1987. HANSO implemented stricter guidelines concerning whatever it was that the EDC was conducting experiments on. The EDC was working in conjunction with Lewis King Labratories. We also have connections with Widmore Enterprises and Paik Industries. (Should I count Mr. Cluck's?)

In the case of the EDC--Engineering Development Center, it appears that HANSO was the overseeing authority on the experiments being performed there. Prior to 1988, control parameters for the experiment were tightened, which seems to have led to the original experimentations being "confounded." This may have been a result of whatever led HANSO to cease funding in 1987 of the DHARMA Initiative. According to the 1988 memo, "the reformation trials (Project Sumo) are progressing well." Therefore, I believe that the experiments at the EDC are in full swing once again. If this is true, then the scientist would be using the latest technology to power their experiments. This would include fiberoptic technology.

(This next paragraph is pure speculation on my part)
This is where Verizon is connected. Verizon is considered top dog in the fiberoptic industry (I don't know if that's really true or not, so don't quote me on it). If HANSO and the EDC have resumed the experiments, they could have entered into a contractual agreement with Verizon to supply all their technological needs. Here is a link (http://www.verizonbusiness.com/us/)that shows all the services they provide to large businesses and the government.

I believe that DSLerator does work for the EDC in the archive department and Dr. Hackett is probably still the Director of the EDC. I believe that Fiberoptician also works in the EDC building, but he is a contracted Verizon employee. I have not found any proof one way or the other as to whether BroadBandBeatnik and iobiSeeingYou (both Verizon employees) actually work in the same building. They might, but then again, they might not. I mean, if everybody works in the same building, or even the same city, why create a secret forum to post your duplicity. Wouldn't it be alot smarter to meet at someone's house or something?

By looking back over the ROT comments, I see that Mittlewerk was at the EDC on 4/19/06 with the HANSO Tour and again on 5/24/06. There is a possibility that the HANSO group was also there on 5/3/06.

From ROT thread on 5/3/06:
DSLerator states, “I'm getting tired of these Hanso people…Their projects are shady and I don't like whatever it is they are up to.”
Fiberoptician asks, “What, you don't want to make Hanso Broadband for Dolphins®?”
DSLerator replies with, “That’s exactly what I'm saying. Am I the only one that thinks Hanso is planning to use us and our technologies to further their schemes?!”

"us and our technologies"

I have wondered what exactly he meant by that. "Us" could refer to a relative he lost because of HANSO experiments...or "us" could refer to employees such as himself.

From Rachel's blog:
Mel0Drama: He's in our heads, Rachel.
Me: Who is?
Mel0Drama: Hackett. Dr. Hackett.
Me: Okay... I've never heard of a Dr. Hackett.
Mel0Drama: I used to work for him. He's here, with the rest of them. In Atlanta. At the EDC. They sneak it in, we lap it up. I have proof!

How is Dr. Hackett in their heads? Does Mel0drama hear voices?

I haven't figured out the fruit thing yet though. I found this (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=764654&postcount=756)post by linuxmoose. Here he suggest that since the phrase "fruitful (pun intended)" is used, that maybe actual fruits are used in the experiments. PandoraX later mentioned (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=764786&postcount=765)that fruit flies are frequently used in genetic experiments.

I do have a couple of guesses though. Either the fruit is used to create a vaccine/antidote/elixer/whatever or they are genetically altering agricultural products in an effort to change the way the human body reacts to and fights off viruses, diseases, and physical & mental deterioration from the aging process.

If there is anything I have forgotten or overlooked, please let me know.

Wow...all that and all I was originally going to say was that first part about how Dr. Hackett was the Director of th EDC all the way back in 1988.

ETA: snakey, I don't think that BBB is Mel0drama, but I could be wrong. When I was typing this up, I looked over the threads for the comments made by BBB and he strikes me as a mole. I will go back over it again later and see what I can pick out.

littlelabrynth

07-17-06, 02:53 AM

I was doing some rereading of the ROT threads and found evidence that all four ROT members do work in the same building. On the ROT thread dated 6/20/06 , we have this excerpt:
BroadBandBeatnik - 9:45am - Well, all I'm saying is she's totally hot in that pizza outfit.

DSLerator - 9:53am - You're just saying that because she looks like that new intern... Kate... in accounting.

BroadBandBeatnik - 9:56am - What?

Fiberoptician - 9:58 am - Don't deny it, we saw you coming by her desk like eight times to ask questions about doing expense reports.

BroadBandBeatnik - 10:00am - Dude. No.

and on 6/23/06 BroadbandBeatnik gets upset at DSLerator and threatens, "You better be kidding. Don't make me come over to your cubicle with a Broadband Beatdown."

I am now unsure as to whether DSLerator works for the EDC or for Verizon in the EDC building. There is a possibility that he has always been a Verizon tech working at the EDC. Maybe because of his incessant question asking, he was removed from the labratory environment and placed in the archive department to scan all the original documents contained therein onto a computer for easier access or storage.

In seeking more information concerning snakey's question about BroadBandBeatnik, I have isolated these things from the ROT threads (it is long...but I will pull out the pieces at the end of the spoiler tag):

BroadBandBeatnik

4/26/06
DSLerator begins by asking if the others have looked at the photo of Alvar Hanso on the HANSO website. BroadBandBeatnik asks, “So is this taken when he did jail time?” and iobiSeeingYou states the man obviously doesn't want to be recognized... shady.”

DSLerator then mentions, “And it's not just the photo. Some reliable water cooler sources have been hinting that all the big wigs are cashing in their stock options "just in case something happens". Gotta run, the boss has been on us about meeting deadlines. Be back later.”

To which BroadBandBeatnik replies, “HUH? Don't go now. What do you know?!”

5/3/06
DSLerator states, “I'm getting tired of these Hanso people…Their projects are shady and I don't like whatever it is they are up to.” Fiberoptician asks, “What, you don't want to make Hanso Broadband for Dolphins®?”

DSLerator replies with, “That’s exactly what I'm saying. Am I the only one that thinks Hanso is planning to use us and our technologies to further their schemes?!”

BroadBandBeatnik responds with, “No I hear you. And I'm not handing over any codes to any droids.” And iobiSeeingYou adds, “I’m sure we can get someone to listen if we notice anything really suspicious. DSL, confess who is your water cooler source?”

DSLerator balks, “Yeah, like I'm gonna up and tell you all my secrets. You could be one of THEM!!! ;-PPPPP I kid, I kid... And what exactly is your definition of suspicious? I'd say they crossed that line on day one.”

5/10/06
Fiberoptician states that out of curiosity he tried signing up For the HANSO newsletter and “the site looked hacked & asked for a password.”

DSLerator says that his “password generator has been at it for hours.” However, BroadBandBeatnik then says, “I'm one step ahead. Call their phone number: 1877HANSORG....Really crazy voice mails, static, and interruptions. Press 1 and a girl breaks in to give you a password.

BroadBandBeatnik and iobiSeeingYou finally decipher the password. “BREAKING STRAIN”.

5/17/06
Every member post except for BroadBandBeatnik.

6/07/06
BroadBandBeatnik states, “I believe there is a Japanese mouse in this building. The kind that's been through the maze so many times, it lost track of its original purpose. And now instead of working of the greater good of humanity, the experiment has turned on itself and the Laws of Nature have been torn to shreds...

iobiSeeingYou responds with, “You have to admire the species that cling to survival. Survival is the source of our strength and some say even the meaning of it all

6/14/06
DSLerator begins by proclaiming, “OUR RESISTANCE IS NOW LEGIT…DJ Dan has made contact He's into our struggle and wants us to help him get the word out about Hanso. He's even given us the unique honor of posting one of his podcasts…This is some crazy stuff. Electromagnetism, robots, mind control, and East Asia.”
BroadBandBeatnik then encourages DSL to “Post it so we can check it out.”

6/16/06
DSLerator begins with, “Ok, so a few days ago someone strange tried to talk to me on IM…No joke people. He was asking me if I have any information on Hanso.”

iobiSeeingYou asks, “What'd you tell him?!?” to which DSLerator replies, “Who do you take me for? I'm careful and suspicious. Maybe this guy was from Hanso himself. Trying to figure out what we know. I told him this is a case of mistaken identity.”

iobiSeeingYou then argues, “Oh yeah? DSL, you got it all wrong. What if this someone was just trying to reach out? People are definitely starting to get clued in to what's going on. We should make contact. It's our responsibility.”

BroadBandBeatnik states, “If you are so eager to make contact, you do it. I'm not risking getting kidnapped or stalked by the cult of Hanso.” To which iobiSeeingYou responds, “Watch me.”

DSLerator then says, “I'd advise you against that. I'm getting a feeling we are being closely watched.”

Fiberoptician says, “So watch 'em back.” And DSLerator responds with, “I intend to.”

BroadBandBeatnik then states,”A wise man once said we are all merely players in this game.”

6/23/06
When DSLerator admits to contacting outsiders using IM, BroadBandBeatnik responds with, “I still say you are so gonna get in trouble....Who is screening these folks??? How can you be sure they are who they seem?”

6/27/06
Fiberoptician - 9:00am - Someone's been on IM again....

iobiSeeingYou - 9:10am - So? What's the biggie?

Fiberoptician - 9:15am - Beatnik, tell him.

BroadBandBeatnik - 9:17am - It's just not cool.

DSLerator - 9:21am - You are so antisocial.

BroadBandBeatnik - 9:24am - Warning! Red Light! Sirens Going Off! You people are losing your wits over here! Call me crazy, but I don't trust strangers. We are finally coming across some worthy information. I am not going to be handing it out without security precautions. I mean, you know that I can disable your AIM access with a click of a button, right?

Fiberoptician - 9:27am - What he said.

iobiSeeingYou - 9:29am - Ok, Ok. Hold your horses. I think everything has gone according to plan so far.

DSLerator - 9:33am - We're just having fun.

BroadBandBeatnik - 9:36am - *Fuming *

Fiberoptician - 9:40am - What he's trying to say is that if you're gonna be on that thing, better have a GOOD REASON.

iobiSeeingYou - 9:43am - That's my specialty. DSL, are you in?

DSLerator - 9:45am - Always.

6/30/06
BroadBandBeatnik - 7:40am - Tada! DJ Dan in da house again!

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:42am - Hello?! I said, DJ DAN is talking to us.

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:47am - What, no fanfares or fireworks?

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:58am - I take it you all must be too busy IMing....

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:01am - It'd be nice to have some help and tech support in these trying times.

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:04am - I guess I'll be enjoying the Dan info all by myself for now. Nothing wrong with that. Not a thing.

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:15am - Well, when you all wake up and smell the coffee, ready yourselves for the autistic savants, the Valenzetti equation and the future.

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:27am - Fine, don't talk to me. Posting. http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/use...orecasting.mp3 (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/users/BroadBandBeatnik/htdocs/audio/MathematicalForecasting.mp3)

07/14/06
Fiberoptician
10:15am Morning all. Who else saw see the atrocity on Broadband Stories?
iobiSeeingYou
10:18am Huh? Checking.
iobiSeeingYou
10:35am !!!!! What in the world took over Beatnik??? Was he bribed??
DSLerator
10:40am Good lord. This is horrific. Mittelwork promoting broadband?
Fiberoptician
10:42am He looks creepy as ever on camera.
iobiSeeingYou
10:45am Beatnik is in BIG BIG trouble. Has anyone seen him?
DSLerator
10:47am I'll find him even if he is hiding in the server closet.
Fiberoptician
10:48am Now I remember seeing boxes on his desk yesterday. I thought it was just a run of the mill delivery, what have you.
iobiSeeingYou
10:51am *Gasp!* Do you think he...
DSLerator
10:53am The lowlife probably took a job with Hanso!
Fiberoptician
10:54am He went for the money.
iobiSeeingYou
10:56am I can't believe he would do that. He is... was totally devoted to the cause. One of us.
DSLerator
10:58am Time to let go of your naïve ideals my dear. The man is dead to me.
Fiberoptician
11:01am What in the world will happen now? Think he gave out the password and codes to the ROT?
iobiSeeingYou
11:05am No way. He wouldn't...
DSLerator
11:10am I have a bad feeling about this.

On 4/26/06, DLerator states, "Some reliable water cooler sources have been hinting that all the big wigs are cashing in their stock options "just in case something happens". Gotta run, the boss has been on us about meeting deadlines. Be back later.”

To which BroadBandBeatnik replies, “HUH? Don't go now. What do you know?!”

On 5/10/07, when the ROT members discover Persephone's hack of the HANSO Foundation website, while DSLerator's "password generator has been at it for hours", BroadBandBeatnik claims, “I'm one step ahead. Call their phone number: 1877HANSORG....Really crazy voice mails, static, and interruptions. Press 1 and a girl breaks in to give you a password.”

On 5/17/06, BroadBandBeatnik is the only member who does not post. No one comments on his absence, so I don't know if it is important or not.

On 6/7/06, BroadBandBeatnik states, “I believe there is a Japanese mouse in this building. The kind that's been through the maze so many times, it lost track of its original purpose. And now instead of working of the greater good of humanity, the experiment has turned on itself and the Laws of Nature have been torn to shreds...

iobiSeeingYou responds with, “You have to admire the species that cling to survival. Survival is the source of our strength and some say even the meaning of it all

On 6/14/06, when DSLerator claims to have hooked DJ Dan up with a pod cast, BroadBandBeatnik shows interest by encouraging DSLerator to “Post it so we can check it out.”

On 6/16/06, when DSLerator states that someone tried to IM him and iobiSeeingYou was trying to encourage further contact, BroadBandBeatnik jumps in and states, “If you are so eager to make contact, you do it. I'm not risking getting kidnapped or stalked by the cult of Hanso.”

BroadBandBeatnik then states,”A wise man once said we are all merely players in this game.”

On 6/23/06, when DSLerator admits to contacting outsiders using IM, BroadBandBeatnik responds with, “I still say you are so gonna get in trouble....Who is screening these folks??? How can you be sure they are who they seem?”

On 6/27/06, when DSLerator admits to using IM to converse with outsideres again, BroadBandBeatnik flips out and says, "Warning! Red Light! Sirens Going Off! You people are losing your wits over here! Call me crazy, but I don't trust strangers. We are finally coming across some worthy information. I am not going to be handing it out without security precautions. I mean, you know that I can disable your AIM access with a click of a button, right?"

Then on 6/30/06, we get this thread where BroadBandBeatnik is the only ROT member who showed up and he is not very happy about it:

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:40am - Tada! DJ Dan in da house again!

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:42am - Hello?! I said, DJ DAN is talking to us.

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:47am - What, no fanfares or fireworks?

BroadBandBeatnik - 7:58am - I take it you all must be too busy IMing....

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:01am - It'd be nice to have some help and tech support in these trying times.

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:04am - I guess I'll be enjoying the Dan info all by myself for now. Nothing wrong with that. Not a thing.

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:15am - Well, when you all wake up and smell the coffee, ready yourselves for the autistic savants, the Valenzetti equation and the future.

BroadBandBeatnik - 8:27am - Fine, don't talk to me. Posting. http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/use...orecasting.mp3 (http://www.retrieversoftruth.com/users/BroadBandBeatnik/htdocs/audio/MathematicalForecasting.mp3)

To me, BroadBandBeatnik does not seem like he is out to expose the HANSO Foundation. I think he is there to keep an eye on DSLerator/Mel0drama. The time when DSLerator mentioned his very reliable watercooler source, BroadBandBeatnik was all over that trying to find out exactly what information had been leaked. When DSLerator had been trying for hours to come up with the password for the Persephone hack, BroadBandBeatnik was "one step ahead." When DSLerator hooked DJ Dan up with a podcast, BroadBandBeatnik was the first one to want to see it. When DSLerator first brought up receiving an IM, BroadBandBeatnik began to caution against interaction with others. He does not want to be "kidnapped or stalked by the cult of HANSO." He then goes on to say, "A wise man once said we are all merely players in this game." When DSLerator admits to contacting outsiders using IM, BroadBandBeatnik once again warns, “I still say you are so gonna get in trouble....Who is screening these folks??? How can you be sure they are who they seem?” And when DSLerator admits to still using IM to converse with outsiders, BroadBandBeatnik flips out and says, "Warning! Red Light! Sirens Going Off! You people are losing your wits over here! Call me crazy, but I don't trust strangers. We are finally coming across some worthy information. I am not going to be handing it out without security precautions. I mean, you know that I can disable your AIM access with a click of a button, right?"

Then we have the thread from 6/30/06. BroadBandBeatnik is pretty unhappy that no one else has joined him. "I take it you all must be too busy IMing..." He then spouts off, "Well, when you all wake up and smell the coffee, ready yourselves for the autistic savants, the Valenzetti equation and the future," and he post the DJ Dan podcast about Mathematical Forecasting." Then, on 7/14/06, we find out that BroadBandBeatnik appears to have joined HANSO. He apparently hooked Mittlewerk up with a BroadBandStory and cleared his desk.

About that DJ Dan podcast...I think I might have an idea of what kind of experiments are going on at the EDC. This is pure speculation, but here goes...

When we first heard this pod cast, I did not understand what algorithms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithim)were. So of course I looked it up on wikipedia.com. I found alot more information than I wanted, but I also came accross this:

· The probabilistic and heuristic paradigm. Algorithms belonging to this class fit the definition of an algorithm more loosely.
1.Probabilistic algorithms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilistic_algorithm) are those that make some choices randomly (or pseudo-randomly); for some problems, it can in fact be proven that the fastest solutions must involve some randomness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randomness).
2. Genetic algorithms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm) attempt to find solutions to problems by mimicking biological evolutionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution) processes, with a cycle of random mutations yielding successive generations of "solutions". Thus, they emulate reproduction and "survival of the fittest". In genetic programming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_programming), this approach is extended to algorithms, by regarding the algorithm itself as a "solution" to a problem. Also there are
3. Heuristic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic_%28computer_science%29) algorithms, whose general purpose is not to find an optimal solution, but an approximate solution where the time or resources to find a perfect solution are not practical. An example of this would be local search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_search_%28optimization%29), taboo search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo_search), or simulated annealing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing) algorithms, a class of heuristic probabilistic algorithms that vary the solution of a problem by a random amount. The name "simulated annealing" alludes to the metallurgic term meaning the heating and cooling of metal to achieve freedom from defects. The purpose of the random variance is to find close to globally optimal solutions rather than simply locally optimal ones, the idea being that the random element will be decreased as the algorithm settles down to a solution.
If you follow the link for Genetic algorithms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm), we learn that:

A genetic algorithm (GA) is a search technique used in computer science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science) to find approximate solutions to optimization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimization_%28mathematics%29) and search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search) problems. Specifically it falls into the category of local search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_search_%28optimization%29) techniques and is therefore generally an incomplete search. Genetic algorithms are a particular class of evolutionary algorithms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_algorithm) that use techniques inspired by evolutionary biology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_biology) such as inheritance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_inheritance), mutation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_%28genetic_algorithm%29), selection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection), and crossover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_%28genetic_algorithm%29) (also called recombination).

Genetic algorithms are typically implemented as a computer simulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_simulation) in which a population of abstract representations (called chromosomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_%28genetic_algorithm%29)) of candidate solutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidate_solutions) (called individuals) to an optimization problem evolves toward better solutions. Traditionally, solutions are represented in binary as strings of 0s and 1s, but different encodings are also possible. The evolution starts from a population of completely random individuals and happens in generations. In each generation, the fitness of the whole population is evaluated, multiple individuals are stochastically selected from the current population (based on their fitness), and modified (mutated or recombined) to form a new population. The new population is then used in the next iteration of the algorithm.

I won't fill up this thread with a bunch of wikipedia stuff that might or might not have anything to do with the ARG, but check it out for yourself, follow all the links. It is an interesting read. Lots of possible tie-ins with HANSO, DHARMA, genetic experimentation, quantumn computers, artificial intelligence...the list goes on and on.

Anyway, I think that the EDC is involved in genetic experimentation for HANSO. They are using Verizon's fiberoptic technology to conduct these experiments. Because genetic algorithms tend to converge towards local optima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum) rather than global optimum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_optimum) of the problem, I think that this was just one of many places where these experiments were carried out. Until we learn what the deal with the fruit is , I guess we can't say much of anything for sure.

One of the more interesting tidbits of information I gleemed from reading that page:

Genetic algorithms originated from the studies of cellular automata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automata), conducted by John Holland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Holland) and his colleagues at the University of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan). Research in GAs remained largely theoretical until the mid-1980s, when The First International Conference on Genetic Algorithms was held at The University of Illinois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois_at_Urbana-Champaign). As academic interest grew, the dramatic increase in desktop computational power allowed for practical application of the new technique. In 1989, The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) writer John Markoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Markoff) wrote about Evolver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolver_%28software%29), the first commercially available desktop genetic algorithm. Custom computer applications began to emerge in a wide variety of fields, and these algorithms are now used by a majority of Fortune 500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_500) companies to solve difficult scheduling, data fitting, trend spotting and budgeting problems, and virtually any other type of combinatorial optimization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_optimization) problem.

Genetic algorithms originated at the University of Michigan?

Sorry this is so long. I've put together some other ideas and clues, but my brain is kinda scrambled right now. Besides, I'm going to have to go back and refresh my memory some more by rereading all the threads. It's amazing what I've forgotten. If anybody has anything else to add or if you think I am off somewhere, please say so. :Cheers:

ETA: I didn't really answer snakey's question. *snip*. I haven't found any proof yet, but I think Fiberoptic is Mandrake Wig. And I think that BroadBandBeatnik always reported to HANSO to some extent.

Of course, I could be wrong about everything.

An"Other"

07-17-06, 09:59 PM

That is one hell of a post. thanks!

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