ALL-CODES Coordination Thread

[trailgoat]

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First code deciphered from thehansofoundation.com site (05-02-06):

Under the World Map, once you select the "Bermuda Triangle" area of the southeastern tip of Florida, this invio-text appears (altered for clearer viewing)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2483/missingorganssm5gt.jpg
The underlined numbers substitute to "Missing Organs". Still working on the rest of the characters.

Second code broken (05-04-06):
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/MATHDocjoined.jpg
The missing words are Zambia, More Soon, and Steevo.

Found and deciphered (05-05-06):
http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org
106 98 111 32 117 98 115 32 114 115 110 102 32 102 118 32 102 118 101 71 32 49 32 108 110 90 32 116 117 98 46 83 69 71 32 103 110 32 111 118 32 116 98 73
Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now

Or if we Rot13 the number "1", we get May 14th. Using rot5 on "1" we get May 6th.

String of numbers was decoded by using:
-base64
-Simple number/letter switch
-invisotext
-DEC to text
-ROT13
-letter swapping

Found (05-07-06):
Second number string from http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org
Decoded it reads: HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE 8, NOT 1 AND 6
We believe the numbers referred to the 8th being the correct date given in the 1st Persephone message. The letters can anagram to many different phrases:
LAUNCHING SPRITE IN SHOW
LOGIN IS ETHAN, PQ IS CHURN
SIGN IN WITH HANSO PR CLUE and the favorite is
WHO IS RUNNING THIS PLACE (from the Mittelwerk flash)
The PR (press release) clue is the word "MIRACLE" found on the WWW/DP page press release, as a dead link. No login attempts. Have been successful yet.
Update (05-23-06): 8, not 1 and 6 many believe to mean that D Cheever, not Alvar and Liddy, are in charge at Hanso (plus login info seems to be in his file in the code).

Found (05-08-06):
Clicking on the date in Alvar's bio leads to a list of travel dates and destinations:
- London: 14.06.2000
- Copenhagen: 12.11.2000
- Paris: 22.02.2001
- Geneva: 12.07.2001
- Rome: 18.09.2001 (to Geneva-no date given)
- Copenhagen: 01.01.2001 (to somewhere in Russia, possibly Moscow or Kursk-no date given, then London-ndg)
- Madrid: 31.12.2002
All dates are given on the site chronologically, except Copenhagen (the second visit).
The site then asks, in a women's voice, "Is he hiding?, Where is Alvar Hanso?, ".

After this a green dot flashs and we hear morse code. After much controversy it appears to read SAFE G (or a minority feel SAFE 9). No use for this code has been found yet.

Found (05-16-06):
persephone.thehansofoundation.org now reads: "115 116 97 110 100 98 121," which translates to "standby."

Found (05-17-06):
The Electromagnetic Research Initiative (or ERI) page now has a date of October 62, 9291. Use those coordinates (x=629, y=291) at the center of the graph and a link opens to www.letyourcompassguideyou.com (http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com) (See the letyourcompassguideyou thread for clues found there)
[COLOR=darkslateblue]Question: Why use those coordinates, instead of (x=0, y=0) for the center of the graph?

Found (05-18-06):
http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org changes again to: 106 103 157 162 235 45 122 202 39 122 26 39 162 218 222 151 42 39 142 87 168 186, which decodes to "a mouse does not rely on just one hole". This same message is found on the blast door map in Latin, "Mus uni non fidit antro".

Found (05-19-06):
Peter Thompson bio is updated with flashing letters in his bio pic. When anagrammed (some letters used more than once) they spell SURVIVOR GUILT, which is a password entered under his picture. This opens a flash with messages (presumably from Persephone), the last of which reads, "I work for criminals, always have, always will."

Found (05-21-06): Persephone message changes to "2". When combined with "a mouse does not rely on just one hole", this site was found, hole2.thehansofoundation.org. It contains a picture of a man titled q9als2002.gif.

[trailgoat]

VjI5eVpITWdabTkxYm1RdlpHVmpiMlJsWkNCM2FHbGphQ0JrYV dRZ2JtOTBJR2hoZG1VZ2Iy
SjJhVzkxY3lCMWMyVnpMQ0I1WlhRNkRRbz0=

4d 49 53 53 49 4e 47 20 4f 52 47 41 4e 53 20 28 66 72 6f 6d 20 42 65 72 6d 75 64 61 20 54 72 69 61 6e 67 6c 65 20 73 65 63 74 69 6f 6e 20 6f 66 20 57 6f 72 6c 64 20 4d 61 70 20 75 6e 64 65 72 20 57 57 50 44 50 29 0d 0a

01011010 01100001 01101101 01100010 01101001 01100001 00001101 00001010
77 111 114 101 32 83 111 111 110 13 10 (From (MFI) page)
53 74 65 76 6f

TWlyYWNsZSAocG9zc2libGUgZnV0dXJlIGxpbmsgb24gV1dQRF AgUHJlc3MgUmVsZWFzZSk=

52 45 6b 35 52 6b 5a 55 55 6a 63 7a 4d 53 41 6f 5a 6e 4a 76 62 53 42 30 61 47 55 67 62 47 56 30 65 57 39 31 63 6d 4e 76 62 58 42 68 63 33 4e 6e 64 57 6c 6b 5a 58 6c 76 64 53 42 7a 61 58 52 6c 4b 51 3d 3d

PXCB D (jlopb zlab xq bka lc Xisxo yfl cixpe)==>06-04-06:Rmlk ob-ifpqbkfkd zlrmiba tfqe obzbkq zirbp, qefp jlopb zlria pxv, "PXSB JB"

:) Thanks for the idea, Supah Dubah All-Code Team Members!!

[trailgoat]

One more reserved spot--this maze could last all summer (here is hoping).
I will try to keep it concise. :)

[trailgoat]

You never know how much space we might need;)

[Staypuff]

This may be a bad time to say this, but I know absolutely nothing about codebreaking...and I'm ready to prove it!

TKILVCYTF

Vigenere Keyword: Staypuff

[trailgoat]

What can we make of this team? From the Hanso Foundation World Map, invisio text. Thanks Algo for the Cap:)
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f316/algovar/inviso.jpg

Ralf has already deciphered the numbers as "Missing Organs" (simple substitution).

[Leslies_a_bitchin_name]

Hope I can post here...

The other non-numeric characters above can be achieved using ALT Codes. http://www.coloryourprofyle.com/phade/alt.html

for example:
¶ is "ALT 0182"
§ is "ALT 0167"
etc.

Not sure it means anything in this code, but just in case it comes up in later codes...

[Borky]

taken from the hanso thread:
Another way to see the ASCII codes is to press "start" on your 'puter, select "run" and enter charmap, this will bring up a chart of the characters and if you highlight one, it will tell you what number to type. You hold down the alt key and enter the number on your keypad, it almost never works on the numbers above the letters on a keyboard (sorry laptoppers).

This is way cool, thanks ralf.

I captured a sharper image of the chars:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2798/missingorgans0jd.jpg

Here's one easier on the eyes:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2483/missingorganssm5gt.jpg


Using Ralf's suggestion, I tried looking for these, some are easy... some really not that easy. AND each font is a little different... If we can find out what font was used, this task will be a lot easier.

My list of fonts didn't have a match. Maybe someone else can find it. What I keyed off of when comparing fonts, was the number 9 above. It's odd in that it's fat with a squatty tail... just like me.:)

BTW, you can whip thru the fonts if you select one in the dropdown, keep it highlighted, and then scroll thru the list by pressing the down arrow.

[trailgoat]

I thought I would mess around with anagrams for "missing organs".

SIMON GRASSING
GASSING MINORS
ORGANISM SINGS
ORGANISM SIGNS
ORGANISMS SING
SIGNOR MASSING
SNARING GISMOS
MANGOS RISINGS;)
MANSIONS RIGGS
MORASS SIGNING

[Staypuff]

Where is the original image found?

[LostEmissary]

Where is the original image found?At http://www.thehansofoundation.org under "active projects" >> "Worldwide Wellness and Prevention...." Then in the top right box click on "world map". Then, on the world map, hover your cursor near the berumda triangle area (just to the right of the southern tip of Florida), and click when your cursor changes to the finger.

This "invisible" text then flickers there when you run your cursor around under the grey box.

[Staypuff]

thanks LE, I was running over all the posts I missed in the Hanso thread. I was hoping there was an image to run through the code wringer :)

[trailgoat]

Lostscape found this at another forum who state it is encryped. What can we figure out? Her original post is here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=568768&postcount=396).


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/MATHDocjoined.jpghttp://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1118&stc=1&d=1146615572
Can we decipher the small black code in the foreground or the picture on the right?

[LAN]

Lostscape found this at another forum who state it is encryped. What can we figure out? Her original post is here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=568768&postcount=396).


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Webmaze%20Pics/MATHDocjoined.jpg
I read that the name of the African country in the first blanked out box is Zambia. That leaves two more blanks to fill in. The second blank, due to the context would also be Zambia, however, the pieces of the letters do not look like Zambia. The third blank is going to be the capital of the second blank. So, we need to figure out the second blank, which will give us the third blank. If the second blank is Zambia, the third blank is Lusaka (capital of Zambia)

[snakey]

I posted in all science , Ags said it's better here, this is from Fuselage, and it's a photo of the hanso site invisatext
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Untitled-1.jpg
so far they are saying the numbers rep letters and mean missing organs, what the rest says is still up in the air,I'm still searching for an answer, will be back.

[aggiesean]

I read that the name of the African country in the first blanked out box is Zambia. That leaves two more blanks to fill in. The second blank, due to the context would also be Zambia, however, the pieces of the letters do not look like Zambia. The third blank is going to be the capital of the second blank. So, we need to figure out the second blank, which will give us the third blank. If the second blank is Zambia, the third blank is Lusaka (capital of Zambia)

The third blank appears to begin with a capital letter that has a line at the top of it, such as Z or D, but not an L as "Lusaka" would have.

[Staypuff]

I brought the image into Photoshop and found if you use a Times New Roman (Regular) with a 9pt font...Zambia fits perfectly.

Could be it's a slightly different font, but I matched the style and size by duplicating the word 'Hanso' to the right of the blank.

[dragon44]

The second blanked out word on the site looks like it begins with a capital M.

I will try to post a good cap, hang on a sec...

ETA:

http://x402.putfile.com/5/12211104475.jpg

[LAN]

Uh oh....we have the big dogs working on this now. Play time is over. hehe

I give it 13 minutes before it is solved.

[snakey]

the wording under 'can you read this' might be read if we can overlay a few screenshots at once, to fill in the letters as they fade. I have no skillls in this department, anyone here can do that?

[Borky]

FYI, you can right-click on the site and choose Zoom In to get sweet closeups.


ETA: killbuckner provided this closeup in the hanso thread. Says it's "Steevo". I compared other letters from the text. It looks like he's right to me.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/haasd/steevo.png

anagrammed steevo. short list:
VETOES
EVES TO
VEE SOT
EVE SOT

[LAN]

Possibly Mozambique and Maputo?

[dragon44]

reading "maputo" makes me lol :D

/end threadjack

ETA: The only two other possibilities for the third word that I can think of are Stecvo, or Stcevo. The second option doesn't make much sense. So I would say it is Steevo, possibly Stecvo (but not as likely).

[jeffeff]

Don't know if this will help, but nowhere on thehansofoundation.org do words get broken across lines with hyphens. Which means that the second location (the one that begins with "M") must be two short words. Which means it's either a made-up location or something smaller than a country, like a province, a state, or an island.

Jeff Eff

[dragon44]

I was thinking the same thing. In that case the first word looks like More, with the second word starting with a capital C or G.

[lostscape]

Most Excellent to have your help Rvturnage!

With regard to Hugh's voice mail message, it apparently asks the caller to leave a message or a NUMERICAL message. The ARG experts at LOST GAME (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LostGame/)are trying to input numbers. Here is what they've done so far (in reverse order)

Quote:

Maybe this has been tried or mentioned elswhere (didn't see it)

But has anyone tried calling Hugh's number and entering "The
numbers"??

4 8 15 16 23 42

Thats only 10 characters, so it should fit in the max.

>
> i tried those as well. i agree, dead end.
>
Tried calling Hugh's number and putting in
> > 13-9-19-19-9-14-7-15-18-7-1-14-19 and was told there is a 16 character maximum.
> >
> > Then i tried putting in "missing organs" as it appears on the
telephone:
> > 6-4-7-7-4-6-4-6-7-4-2-6-7 (that's a lot of 4s, 6s, and 6s, btw)
and got a message saying this number would be sent to Hugh's cell. Seemed like a dead
> > end to me.

> > Maybe we need to try different number combos like the missing
organs #'s.
> >

[Borky]

Zoomed in screenshots for our friends who can't run flash:

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4339/zambia3im.jpg
I think everyone agrees this is "Zambia"

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7389/m5ei.jpg
"M" -- something...

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4743/m24hw.jpg
Continuation from the previous line...

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6970/steevo0vm.jpg
"Steevo".

[Borky]

reading "maputo" makes me lol :D

/end threadjack

ETA: The only two other possibilities for the third word that I can think of are Stecvo, or Stcevo. The second option doesn't make much sense. So I would say it is Steevo, possibly Stecvo (but not as likely).

"Stecvo". As soon as I read that, I thought of an anagram, "covets". hmmm

[Staypuff]

The first one must be Zambia. You can prove me wrong, but when I worked on it Zambia fit perfectly. I think the second one is a different country in Africa, but I ran through a list of every African Capital city and I only found a couple that could work in the third position. Jeffeff, I agree about the hyphenated word issue.

Here's a couple lists:

http://www.studystack.com/studytable-14057

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_population_density

[snakey]

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=46883&page=14
scroll down to Mantorras post with the seemingly same type of code as where missing organs was found. It might just be nonsense or not since they used it in two places on Hanso

[Staypuff]

FYI, you can right-click on the site and choose Zoom In to get sweet closeups.


ETA: killbuckner provided this closeup in the hanso thread. Says it's "Steevo". I compared other letters from the text. It looks like he's right to me.


anagrammed steevo. short list:
VETOES
EVES TO
VEE SOT
EVE SOT


I know you folks have been saying this all along, but I wanted to compare using Photoshop. I used Arial (I think) and it appears that steevo or stecvo fits the shape perfectly. Now...what the heck is a steevo or stecvo.

[Awe Inspiring]

steevo sounds like a nick-name to me.

[jeffeff]

Hope I can post here...

The other non-numeric characters above can be achieved using ALT Codes. http://www.coloryourprofyle.com/phade/alt.html

for example:
¶ is "ALT 0182"
§ is "ALT 0167"
etc.

Not sure it means anything in this code, but just in case it comes up in later codes...

For those of you who don't use MacOS, all of "garbled" symbols can be found on a Mac by pressing option or shift-option and a letter. For example, "£" is option-3 and "§" is option-6. I've tried a simple replacement without the option key, but haven't come up with anything but garbage. If anyone else wants to try, you can use the "Keyboard Viewer" to expedite the process. It seems pretty clear to me that whoever made thehansofoundation.org was a Mac lover, since the little swirly thing that comes up when you try to use the Login feature in the lower-left corner is a Mac-specific thing.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Eff

[Borky]

For those of you who don't use MacOS, all of "garbled" symbols can be found on a Mac by pressing option or shift-option and a letter. For example, "£" is option-3 and "§" is option-6. I've tried a simple replacement without the option key, but haven't come up with anything but garbage. If anyone else wants to try, you can use the "Keyboard Viewer" to expedite the process. It seems pretty clear to me that whoever made thehansofoundation.org was a Mac lover, since the little swirly thing that comes up when you try to use the Login feature in the lower-left corner is a Mac-specific thing.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Eff
Thanks JeffEff and welcome to the forum! :)

I too think the guy used a Mac but no hard evidence, just a gut feeling. Do you recognize the font used in the making of the garbage, btw? I think it may be an Apple-specific font.

So let me get this straight... there's a key on your keyboard named "option"? And when you press the option key and the 3 key, out pops a "£"? I wonder if this could be it.. stringing all the 3's and 6's and whatever else together to form one long code to be deciphered.

[steeeb]

could mean goto option 3??

[Borky]

could mean goto option 3??
Good thought steeeb. :)

Maybe clicking certain areas or links in a specified sequence unlocks a hidden part of the site. :D

ETA: Oh and hey, by your postcount I see you're relatively new to the site as well. WELCOME MY FRIEND :)

[steeeb]

could so indeed :D

[WayOffCourse]

This webpage shows some of the characters possible on the Mac keyboard with the use of key caps for you all Windows users (among whom I live these days):
http://www.stolaf.edu/depts/talc/characters/mac_kb.html

[jeffeff]

So let me get this straight... there's a key on your keyboard named "option"? And when you press the option key and the 3 key, out pops a "£"? I wonder if this could be it.. stringing all the 3's and 6's and whatever else together to form one long code to be deciphered.

Yes that's it. Unfortunately, stringing it all together doesn't make any sense with a simple replacement.

Jeff Eff

[steeeb]

how about old bbc computers? like the one in LOST.. or did they not have that many ASCII chars then?

[Borky]

This webpage shows some of the characters possible on the Mac keyboard with the use of key caps for you all Windows users (among whom I live these days):
http://www.stolaf.edu/depts/talc/characters/mac_kb.html

Sweet find! Thanks WOC!!:D

[jacksonwest]

The code that was posted on the Fuselage reminds me of what you get when you open a binary file in a text editor.

Just looking it over, there seem to be a number of repeated 'phrases' for lack of a better term. For instance:

»ˆ‚x?Ï‚ûêàÕÀNëù…d"¸hÿ‡!@CARYDáób6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b


6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ã œº$?b6Úc


`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$?b6Úc`¯ãœº$ ?b6Úc`¯ã


Also, the following 'phrase' repeats a number of times:

Ê>¶;ËÏõÑx'À.'è6S!lrh£!¨6 UˆŒ¢ÌÃ'Ö‰?Fáê÷~‡¶õ*Ó|"-


5|0<G;ÕA\-

Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly where or how these characters appeared -- it wasn't clear from the original post. Can somebody figure out a step-by-step way to find this text on the website?

[steeeb]

its decompiled flash from the periphone bit

[lostscape]

Boy, you're good Steeeb! Glad to have you here!

[steeeb]

thats what reading the main 3 forums constantly does to ya!

[lostscape]

slacker:nanabobo:

[lostscape]

Pls. post that in the Hanso Thread! There was talk about it, but I don't think it had been captured.

[WASTE]

Looks to me like they were using that Bush video as a placeholder for the Hanso ad, just to test out the site's interface.

[steeeb]

yeah thought so also.. could mean something, but doubt it

[steeeb]

Removed it from my blog, its further down near the hanso updates if anyone wants to see it.

[dafrilla]

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7389/m5ei.jpg
"M" -- something...

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4743/m24hw.jpg
Continuation from the previous line...



I do believe the clue to this lies in the phone messages,.....almost all of them reference the Geronimo Jackson song "MACNA CARTA" while you are "on hold"

i just registered for the site since i finally felt i had something to contribute.

[rottenralf]

Welcome to what we like to call home, dafrilla. Be sure to stop in the BBR where we also have casual conversation and a mean menu.

[killbuckner]

great info dafrilla- That would seem to fit perfectly. Do we have a transcript of that song? it might be fertile ground to explore.

One other thought- has anyone checked the filesharing networks for any Geronimo Jackson stuff?

[dragon44]

the second blanked out word is a four letter word so Magna, or Macna would not fit. More over, the tops of the three letters following the M can only be certain letters because of the shape of the top of them. Here are some combinations:

M - ore
M - ere
M - orc
M - erc
M - oro
M - ero

[killbuckner]

dragon- why do you say it can only be 4 letters? Sure seems to me that 5 would fit there no problem. Its not like we have the bases of the letters to go off of.

[dragon44]

if you zoom all the way out, you can clearly see the tops of the other three letters.

zoomed cap:

http://x402.putfile.com/5/12211104475.jpg

normal size:

http://x402.putfile.com/5/12308462695.jpg

[killbuckner]

how does flash work? why would there be more information when you zoomed out? I had just assumed that the extra dots when you were zoomed out were just rendering artifacts.

[dragon44]

I thought that was weird as well. The whited out part is more like a white box over the word and it seems to move a little when you zoom in and out. Only with the M word it hinders when zoomed in and with the Steevo word it helps.

[Adelaide]

I am quite positive it's either More or Mere

[steeeb]

More Soon it says

[rottenralf]

How does "More Soon" fit in that sentence? A proper noun would fit in, like a name of a country or whatever. This would be especially true since the M is in upper case.

[dragon44]

true Ralf, but if we assume that More Soon is just a message and not supposed to relate to the sentence, then the Steevo word makes more sense as a clue rather than a capital city.

[dragon44]

since I only have about three seconds to post, (and this might get eaten too), I have been trying to say that it has been confirmed that it does say More Soon and Steevo.

http://freejobs.free.fr/LostARG/RE/hansoafrica.html (http://freejobs.free.fr/LostARG/RE/hansoafrica.html)

this was taken straight from the flash by manar, so it is 100% confirmed.

eta: sorry, I have been trying to spoiler tag this all afternoon, but the damn servers won't let me. Hope this works.

[killbuckner]

dragon- I think the point of the reverse engineering section is so that the decompiled flash informationcan be kept separate. Some people consider that stuff to be a spolier so you should probably spoiler tag your statement.

[LAN]

steevo could be anagram for vetoes

[Staypuff]

Looks like we may be out of a job if all the challenges are just 'decompiled'.

[dragon44]

I disagree staypuff. We had the clue basically solved before the confirmation came out.

...but I see your point. While I have no problem with it, from now on, maybe it would be best to keep the reverse engineered stuff out of the CODES thread.

thoughts trailgoat?

[Staypuff]

Roger that Dragon44, can we agree that you disagree? Are we in agreement? ;) I must have missed the sequence of what was solved and confirmed. I guess I'm a bit frustrated over here...we need some serious code challenges. It's all fine though, I'm along for the ride no matter what happens and I'm glad to be part of this team (Dragon, you and I are on a few together!)

[snakey]

steevo might be an acronym . S.T.E.E.V.O.

[steeeb]

whois the hanso website, you get this:

Registrant ID:tugBiTw52IqwI8eH
Admin ID:tuiXyOrjjsEYAfQ4
Tech ID:tuUlr54To2l6ECIU

a code?

[dragon44]

We had Zambia, More, and Steevo. We just did not have Soon. (if you don't want to see the invisotext, don't highlight it)

and with all the craziness and busy servers and mergings and whatever else, that information wasn't communicated well enough. Several people made guesses as to what it actually was but never posted. It was mentioned in the chat. Sorry for that. Something I am sure is easily remedied once the servers clear up. We are glad to have you staypuff and hopefully we will keep the code breaking in this thread to the code breakers from now on.

[Staypuff]

Hey Dragon44, it's all cool with me. I was just venting, I'm 87% better now.

Steeb, that's interesting stuff you have there. Time to take a stab at it.

I wonder how they get away with registering with information like that, I thought it was blatantly illegal...or is there a way to cloak the real info with fake stuff like that?


ETA: Just sent an email to mexicanlunch@hotmail.com...

Subject: Greetings Mr. Hanso

Hello,
I am pleased to see your new site has launched. I look forward to receiving MORE information SOON.
Best regards,
Steevo

:D

[Mr33Degrees]

Hey guys! Sorry I haven't been around much to help with the codes. Work...uuugh! Anyhow where do we stand, as I haven't been able to view the Hanso site I'm not sure exactly what needs working on. Anyone wanna let me know what were working on currently?

[SeanDude05]

I was looking at the Missing Organs invisitext, and it reminds me of when someone types in their non-english language, and someone who does not have that language installed on their computer tries to view the words, they show up as characters just like those.

[Awe Inspiring]

^^^Korean maybe?

[trailgoat]

Hi Guys!

Since this is a code-breaking thread, I think any method used to break them is fair game; and remember Rule #2: there are no rules.

Regarding, Zambia,More Soon and Steevo, Borky, Dragon and others had that pretty well nailed down and the reverse engineering was used as confirmation. I will update the 1st post with this info.

We should keep direct talk of reverse engineering methods in that thread, but we can talk about finds there in here, but spoiler tagged perhaps?
Feedback. Personally, I think the tags are not necessary.

[The_Island]

i think in this paticular thread we should keep those findings discussed in the REVERSE ENGINEERING thread, limited to spoiler tags or inviso text here

[Borky]

Feedback. Personally, I think the tags are not necessary.

I'm with you on this. Personally, I don't care how we find stuff, just as long as we're the first to find it!! :D

[trailgoat]

Just so everyone knows how to type the inviso text:
type [color=#e7eeee]then your message to be hidden here[/colr] with color spelled correctly in the last bracket.

[The_Island]

I'm with you on this. Personally, I don't care how we find stuff, just as long as we're the first to find it!! :D

dont get me wrong i do agree with you, i dont care how clues are found either...but as we have seen, there are clearly people who think its wrong participating in these threads...so in order to respect everyones beliefs..i think spoiler tags and inviso text is best

[Borky]

Ah, ok, gotcha. Inviso text will be my new friend. Can we paste Teegee's instructions on the first page for reference?

I apologize in advance for screwing up future posts where I forget the inviso, btw :D . (Not being sarcastic, just that it's inevitable due to my smallish borky brain)

[The_Island]

BEST smallest borky brain EVER

[trailgoat]

Ah, ok, gotcha. Inviso text will be my new friend. Can we paste Teegee's instructions on the first page for reference?


Done. :)

[steeeb]

£§·¶ßª©²³¹≤≥¥µ∂∑Ππ∫
‘’‛”'÷()ÿŸ/‚„‰ÁÉÂËÉÙÚÛı/??
9ÍχÀč‰13/9/19/19/9/14/7[±ˉ·U??ˉÖ?31eNÄ??U∫
êκωŌ∑‚zǔÿ„1îāk*ÿï; ?†íΧ˛
ìǔ?,b§?é
15/18/7/1/14/19 |

Characters of the image :D

[chaz]

£§·¶ßª©²³¹≤≥¥µ∂∑Ππ∫
‘’‛”'÷()ÿŸ/‚„‰ÁÉÂËÉÙÚÛı/??
9ÍχÀč‰13/9/19/19/9/14/7[±ˉ·U??ˉÖ?31eNÄ??U∫
êκωŌ∑‚zǔÿ„1îāk*ÿï; ?†íΧ˛
ìǔ?,b§?é
15/18/7/1/14/19 |

Characters of the image :D

What font did you use?

[rottenralf]

I ran them through the base64 translator and got nada.

[chaz]

I ran them through the base64 translator and got nada.
Ralf are there other translators we could try?

[rottenralf]

Chaz - This is the one I use but someone mentioned yesterday another code I've never heard of (not really my field, just picked it up from bss1 days).

http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/

[rottenralf]

Chaz - You can use copy & paste on this with no problem.

[chaz]

I can't find any translator that does anything to it. I hope someone makes sence of it soon. It's driving me nuts.

[trailgoat]

Chaz, this site has a few different decipher programs
http://www.unfiction.com/resource/otools/

[Borky]

We got some action guys!

follow this link: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/press/05_05_06.pdf

highilight the text at the bottom to get this:
http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org

follow the page and it shows you this:

106 98 111 32 117 98 115 32 114 115 110 102 32 102 118 32 102 118 101 71 32 49 32 108 110 90 32 116 117 98 46 83 69 71 32 103 110 32 111 118 32 116 98 73


What is this code?


ETA: decoded from dec to hex. all garbage except about midway thru:
amJvIHVicyByc25mIGZ2IGZ2ZUcgMSBsblogdHViLlNFRyBnbi BvdiB0Ykk=

a blog?

[The_Island]

We got some action guys!

follow this link: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/press/05_05_06.pdf

highilight the text at the bottom to get this:
http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org

follow the page and it shows you this:

106 98 111 32 117 98 115 32 114 115 110 102 32 102 118 32 102 118 101 71 32 49 32 108 110 90 32 116 117 98 46 83 69 71 32 103 110 32 111 118 32 116 98 73


What is this code?


ETA: decoded from dec to hex. all garbage except about midway thru:
amJvIHVicyByc25mIGZ2IGZ2ZUcgMSBsblogdHViLlNFRyBnbi BvdiB0Ykk=

a blog?

Get crackin..."The real story is in the numbers"

[ILoveEko]

ETA: decoded from dec to hex. all garbage except about midway thru: amJvIHVicyByc25mIGZ2IGZ2ZUcgMSBsblogdHViLlNFRyBnbi BvdiB0Ykk=Pssst, that's base 64, not hex. ;)

ETA: Unless I confused what you were trying to say, lol.

[ILoveEko]

I went from dec to text and got:
jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Which has words like jobs, governs, etc in there... might it be a large anagram?

[supermodel]

'Flung FFV governs zest jobs bung bv.'

[ILoveEko]

LOL.

[TheGuinea_Pig]

Where are these press releases showing up?

[rottenralf]

The numbers are to big for the rodent revolution decoder, but it came out like this using its best guess:

U T H E D T R E W R I O E O A E O A V N E P E F I L E S D T C M G N E Y I E H A E S T B


We should keep that decoder in mind for codes with digits up to the number 26, just in case.

[duality]

Pssst, that's base 64, not hex. ;)

ETA: Unless I confused what you were trying to say, lol.

Ok this is interesting...

If you Base64 decode the string you get:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Now if you rot13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13) that you get:

wob hof efas si sirT 1 yaM gho.FRT ta bi goV

Reversing that you get:

Vog ib at TRF.ohg May 1 Tris is safe foh bow

Swap the b with n and the V with L and the h with r and you get

Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now

[steeeb]

the capital letters, full stops and the . will help us know it its correct or not

[ILoveEko]

GP -
One was sent in an email apparently to the folks at http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/.

The second is on the front page of THF site.

[steeeb]

yup notice you dont timeout if you try loggin in?!?

[The_Island]

Ok this is interesting...

If you Base64 decode the string you get:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Now if you rot13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13) that you get:

wob hof efas si sirT 1 yaM gho.FRT ta bi goV

Reversing that you get:

Vog ib at TRF.ohg May 1 Tris is safe foh bow

Swap the b with n and the V with L and the h with r and you get

Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now

THATS AWSOME DUALITY!!!! but its May 5th now :(

[ILoveEko]

Ok this is interesting...

If you Base64 decode the string you get:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Now if you rot13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13) that you get:

wob hof efas si sirT 1 yaM gho.FRT ta bi goV

Reversing that you get:

Vog ib at TRF.ohg May 1 Tris is safe foh bow

Swap the b with n and the V with L and the h with r and you get

Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for nowNice, duality!

[rottenralf]

Good job duality. Are the letter swaps random or is there a pattern behind them also?

[supermodel]

That's great, duality. Really. Except thf.org appears to be legit. I don't think TPTB would drag NY Pres and Cornell into this.

Also, why give us a new clue today telling us to log in 4 days ago?

[Borky]

Ok this is interesting...

If you Base64 decode the string you get:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Now if you rot13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13) that you get:

wob hof efas si sirT 1 yaM gho.FRT ta bi goV

Reversing that you get:

Vog ib at TRF.ohg May 1 Tris is safe foh bow

Swap the b with n and the V with L and the h with r and you get

Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now

WOW. Awesome job. That's it!! :)

[duality]

Good job duality. Are the letter swaps random or is there a pattern behind them also?

Thanks not sure if it's random, just seemed to work too well to be a conicidence.

[steeeb]

great work! i think it means thehansofoundation.org

[supermodel]

that site also references the Dreyfus investment group. And the Dreyfus Health Foundation is listed in the Encylcopedia of Neuroscience. Too many legit organizations being pulled in.

[TheGuinea_Pig]

GP -
One was sent in an email apparently to the folks at http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/.

The second is on the front page of THF site.
OK, let's play "GP is a st00pid n00b" for a second... why am I not seeing this second press release on the front page of thehansofoundation.org?

[Vincent_Madison]

I have a thought. The last press release on the Hanso site talked about an intruder. It is possible that the site was hacked and the info you found was planted. I know - I am paranoid, but the way the info is coded etc smells more like a hacker than a TPTB clue.

[Staypuff]

That's great, duality. Really. Except thf.org appears to be legit. I don't think TPTB would drag NY Pres and Cornell into this.

Also, why give us a new clue today telling us to log in 4 days ago?

Great work Duality!


Also, why give us a new clue today telling us to log in 4 days ago?


Good question...perhaps to show what sorts of code-breaking challenges we have ahead of us. We now know how they think...a little at least.

ETA: Also, they could be teaching us. Or they could want to see how fast the code is broken and who it is that's doing it. I suspect TPTB are monitoring people like Duality now...and if so the next one will be even tougher.

[supermodel]

GP, there is some text on the right, headed "Important News" or something like that.

Or....you could alsways read the first post of the ALL-HANSO thread and click the links I have painstakingly archived for stoopid n00bs such as yourself.

steeb, duality:

**smacks head**
shorthand! now I get it!

[ILoveEko]

LOL GP, once you go to the main page of the site - where the video plays once you're in - on the right hand side there's a little blurb and a link to the pdf.

ETA: Looks like this, GP:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4605/untitled0sm.png

[steeeb]

it doesnt seem to be there now and the page had to reload when went on it and i had to re-signup to the newsletter

[rvturnage]

great work! i think it means thehansofoundation.org

that does make sense. Didn't the new site go live on 5/1?

Also, a poster (JuJu) in the hanso co-ordination thread used the same abbreviation for thehansofoundation.org when she was refering to an email address earlier. I wonder if TPTB did that as well, and just didn't realize there REALLY is a "thf.org" out there?

also a funny note: I mis-read the post and went to "trf.org", which immediately opens with a login screen. I couldn't get in so I did a check at whois has that site being well over 10 years old, and not modified since 6/05. and according to register: the registrant name is "The Reality Foundation" I'm sure it's not a Lost site. Just thought it was funny.

[Borky]

TrailGoat,

We may want to list the various crypto techniques used so far on the front page of this thread for later reference.

-Simple number/letter switch
-invisotext
-DEC to text
-ROT13
-letter swapping

[rvturnage]

OK, let's play "GP is a st00pid n00b" for a second... why am I not seeing this second press release on the front page of thehansofoundation.org?

Probaly due to cache in your browser. Mine didn't display it correctly in Firefox until I emptied cache...

[duality]

TrailGoat,

We may want to list the various crypto techniques used so far on the front page of this thread for later reference.

-Simple number/letter switch
-invisotext
-DEC to text
-ROT13
-letter swapping

Base64 decoding too

[steeeb]

^ what he said

[TheGuinea_Pig]

it doesnt seem to be there now and the page had to reload when went on it and i had to re-signup to the newsletter

Well thank f... you for that steeeb, I thought I was totally freakin' lame cus I couldn't find this "important news" piece anywhere. :D

[bcool1956]

It is still there you probably need to either reload the page or empty your cache. Using Netscape I needed to empty cache.

[TheGuinea_Pig]

You're right bcool, it's a cache thing cus I have it now.

Important note: Always refresh your Hanso page when you return to it.

[duality]

Has anyone called the phone number in the press release for Hugh McIntyre?

(206) 861-5017

[supermodel]

Yup, I left a message on his VM, I think a few others did too. Nada.

[gstartle]

Hi guys :)

Not sure if it's relevant, but was revisiting some old websites to see if any changes had occured (ahem, yes, I am THAT sad!!)

Anyway, I visited http://emri.perception.net/ , a mirror of the old Hanso site, and guess which numbers have appeared accross the page..... Persephone's webpage code!

I can't post screen caps, sorry - far too thick!!

Any thoughts?

xxg

EDIT: Not entirely sure it's relevant but bear with me - www.kingscrossstatepolice (http://www.kingscrossstatepolice) and www.th3sn0wman.com (http://www.th3sn0wman.com) now redirects to www.mrclucks.com (http://www.mrclucks.com). I haven't been around long enough to suss out whether these sights were ever officially confirmed as fan sites, or could they be true ABC sites?

In which case, what if the website we are prompted to log in to is not the "official" site but another hanso-run website? If companies like Mr Cluck's etc. can be used as a "front" for Hanso shennanigan's, then why not their website?

I dunno, sounds kinda dumb, but just brainstorming, any thoughts?

[ILoveEko]

I guess lxi is just having some fun with it. :)

[rottenralf]

Now when lxi posts a clue before the Hanso site, then I'll sit up and take notice.

[rvturnage]

I have a thought. The last press release on the Hanso site talked about an intruder. It is possible that the site was hacked and the info you found was planted. I know - I am paranoid, but the way the info is coded etc smells more like a hacker than a TPTB clue.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or using the tool incorrectly, but according to the results (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=http%3A%2F%2Fpersephone.thehansofou ndation.org&type=A&server=&detail=0) from this sites advanced DNS lookup (http://www.dnsstuff.com/pages/expert.htm) persephone.thehansofoundation.org is an A record that redirects to the IP 64.207.133.244, which is thehansofoundation.org. that means its legit, as that can't be faked, correct?

rvt

[Vincent_Madison]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or using the tool incorrectly, but according to the results (http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=http%3A%2F%2Fpersephone.thehansofou ndation.org&type=A&server=&detail=0)from this sites advanced DNS lookup (http://www.dnsstuff.com/pages/expert.htm) persephone.thehansofoundation.org is an A record that redirects to the IP 64.207.133.244, which is thehansofoundation.org. that means its legit, as that can't be faked, correct?

rvt

I was not suggesting it was not from thehansofoundation.org, but the possibility that the site could be hacked and info placed there.

[gstartle]

Whoops guys, just been brought up to speed, it's a fan-site, top notch mind :)

am winding my neck in as we .... read...?

xxg

[steeeb]

its a subdomain of thehansofoundation.org..

like joop.thehansofoundation.org that has the XML feed..

and groups.yahoo.com etc.. means its yahoo.com/groups, or whatever its been defined to be.

[killbuckner]

right- its on the same server- persephone is definately a legit site.

[LAN]

I was not suggesting it was not from thehansofoundation.org, but the possibility that the site could be hacked and info placed there.

Agreed. A few clues could be the mispelling of apologizes (apologises) and lower case Namaste. I could be wrong on both, perhaps you can spell apologizes like that, and maybe I am wrong in assuming Namaste is always capitalized...but throwing it out here.

So, lets say the press release is another piece of misinformation planted by the hacker (maybe persephone). They could be trying to pretend that everything is ok with Hanso, in order to get information from someone.....

[steeeb]

yeah up to now, namaste was always capitalized.

is apologises the english spelling??

[Awe Inspiring]

apologises is not the English spelling, apologizes is how you spell it.

thx dog for spell check!

[Subject627]

I beg your pardon? The Brits spell it apologise.

http://elc.polyu.edu.hk/CiLL/eiw/apologise.htm

[Awe Inspiring]

sorry, meant American. Thats how the spell check says its spelled.

[snakey]

I assumed, yeah say it ass u me, that the hacker is Persephone or one of the anti hanso group. so in other words it's all part of the game for them to be hacked and us to find out about it. Is there any other reason to think they were really hacked? That would be pretty funny us trying to solve clues that a fan hacked into the site, I really dont think that happened tho. I dont think Persephone is Alex either 'cause she is supposedly on the island, I think it's someone involved with the experiments who saw how negligent/unethical Hanso Found. is. This adds all kinds of layers to the story and brings in the bad twin book too with Valenzetti, I could be wrong about it all but it still is fun using my last few braincells on this game.

[steeeb]

so why does the press release have the ENGLISH spelling?

[steeeb]

"See some speculation that maybe the 1 should be rot-13 to 14, thats what, next Sunday"

does that make sence?

[theidofbrad]

It's possible, but it's much more cryptic if the date was on the 1st. I tried changing my computer's date to may 1st but all it seemed to do was change the date in the toolbar:(

[truffula]

:clap: :worshippy :clap: :worshippy :clap: :worshippy :clap: :worshippy :clap: :worshippy

You folks are something else, I tell you what! :D
We got some action guys!
Now thats what I like to come home and see!! :D

I saw the other possibility, but want to touch on this too, just in case:
ETA: decoded from dec to hex. all garbage except about midway thru:amJvIHVicyByc25mIGZ2IGZ2ZUcgMSBsblogdHViLlNFR yBnbiBvdiB0Ykk=
What about M.S.B.'s Blog? We know anyone with those initials? Or have we decided this is a dead end?

Ok this is interesting...

If you Base64 decode the string you get:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Now if you rot13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13) that you get:

wob hof efas si sirT 1 yaM gho.FRT ta bi goV

Reversing that you get:

Vog ib at TRF.ohg May 1 Tris is safe foh bow

Swap the b with n and the V with L and the h with r and you get

Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now

Now that was REALLY FREAKING COOL to see!! :D Great job duality!! :)
I don't think that message is for us. I think its for one of the Hanso employees (or Persephone). And safe? Safe from what? They know someone is on to them I think.
Also, why give us a new clue today telling us to log in 4 days ago?
Because its a clue for our timeline. Not a literal clue that we missed. Perhaps they're filling in some story here??

EDIT: Not entirely sure it's relevant but bear with me - www.kingscrossstatepolice (http://www.kingscrossstatepolice/).com and www.th3sn0wman.com (http://www.th3sn0wman.com/) now redirects to www.mrclucks.com (http://www.mrclucks.com/). I haven't been around long enough to suss out whether these sights were ever officially confirmed as fan sites, or could they be true ABC sites?
Now this is news to me. Can we finally say that KCSP/Snow/Clucks are all the same group? Too bad to see Snow/KCSP go, but come on, how long were we supposed to wait?? ;)
I was never able to nail down 100% who was running those sites, but I consider them fansites.

sorry bout the little threadjack at the end there....

Yal are AWESOME!! Keep it up!! :D

Peace,
Truff

[steeeb]

Maybe a website that was created on the 1st of May with a login??

*shrugs*

[steeeb]

if you use ROT47 instead, it does numbers.

whats the ROT47 of 1?

[steeeb]

Log in at THF.org May 14 This is safe for now

How about that? if we add the 13 to the number also? would make more sence

[The_Island]

Hey guys...was reading Bad Twin on the plane...and on page 130 i read a paragraph that says, "life is complicated. That's the point. It isn't like a string of numbers, you add them up, there's only one solution. Any number of possible outcomes can emerge from a single set of facts."


Got me thinking about the string of numbers on http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org (http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org/) anyone add them up and try as a password?

[Awe Inspiring]

^ I did and it didnt do anything.

thats not what that is for

[jeffeff]

Ok this is interesting...

If you Base64 decode the string you get:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

Now if you rot13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13) that you get:

wob hof efas si sirT 1 yaM gho.FRT ta bi goV

Reversing that you get:

Vog ib at TRF.ohg May 1 Tris is safe foh bow

Swap the b with n and the V with L and the h with r and you get

Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now

In the original base64 decode of the message, the letters that "don't come out right" when you apply rot13 are all vowels. I've put them in bold here:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

I don't know whether this means anything, but the exceptions to the rot13 rule are as follows:

E=H
I=L
O=N
U=R

Note the absence of "A" entirely.

Again, I don't know whether this means anything, but it might be something someone might want to look into. I hope I explained it clearly enough.

Jeff Eff

[Rainflower]

Hey guys...was reading Bad Twin on the plane...and on page 130 i read a paragraph that says, "life is complicated. That's the point. It isn't like a string of numbers, you add them up, there's only one solution. Any number of possible outcomes can emerge from a single set of facts."


Got me thinking about the string of numbers on http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org (http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org/) anyone add them up and try as a password?

How closely connected are the book and the hanso-site? I was just thinking about the string of numbers on the persephone message - could they be pages in the book? Like the first letter/first word/underlined word on those pages?

I don`t have a copy of the book myself, so I can`t check... It`s probably nothing though.

[rottenralf]

How closely connected are the book and the hanso-site? I was just thinking about the string of numbers on the persephone message - could they be pages in the book? Like the first letter/first word/underlined word on those pages?

I don`t have a copy of the book myself, so I can`t check... It`s probably nothing though.

Wouldn't that be like a VDM? You may have something there.

[Rainflower]

What does VDM stand for? The numbers could look like book pages numbers.

[rottenralf]

What does VDM stand for? The numbers could look like book pages numbers.

It's a lemony snicket thing. That is the only explanation I can give, but we have some experts here on it. Are there any numbers that exceed the page count of the book? That'd be a clue.

[Rainflower]

The highest number is 118 - I don`t know how long the book is...

[The_Island]

about 240 pages

[rottenralf]

about 240 pages

So VDM or some other page code could work for this, now we just got to hope some of our code-breakers have the book.

[foxxie]

I have checked and it makes no sense, at least not yet. Also some of the numbers that are different would give you the same word.

[ILoveEko]

VDM is the longer version of VM, Ralf, lol.
The thing you're talking about is VFD. :p

[Rainflower]

yeah, the same numbers coming several times didn`t make it look too promising. Unless it was like the first word on the page that was nr.1, the second on 2 etc.

And a solution like this would have meant you have to have the book to solve it.

[trailgoat]

We could try some combination of the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 or 108, possibly. Like 108 as the letter or word on each page listed on the persephone site. I wish I had bought the book....

Have I said how much the people working on this thread kick arse? Well you do! And I'm saying. :D

I have updated the 1st post--if I have missed anything, please post it or PM me. I haven't been listing who solved what, because I think we work best as a team, but if you would like me to begin doing that, I will.

[foxxie]

106=Key, 98=Divine, 111=was, 32=turning, 117=was...........should I keep going?

[rottenralf]

VDM is the longer version of VM, Ralf, lol.
The thing you're talking about is VFD. :p

Yeah, VFD...as introduced to us by VDM, there's that sychronicity at work again.

[foxxie]

yeah, the same numbers coming several times didn`t make it look too promising. Unless it was like the first word on the page that was nr.1, the second on 2 etc.

And a solution like this would have meant you have to have the book to solve it.

106=Key, 98=Comedy, 111=the, 32=people, 117=talker.........with this theory

[Rainflower]

106=Key, 98=Comedy, 111=the, 32=people, 117=talker.........with this theory

:) "the people who has the key sees the comedy when people try to solve it?" :p

[KW]

So could the numbers on Persephone's site by ascii code? Wikipedia mentions that 32 is the ascii "space" character... and 32 is the predominant number in the number sequence. It looks like this...

106 98 111 32 117 98 115 32 114 115 110 102 32 102 118 32 102 118 101 71 32 49 32 108 110 90 32 116 117 98 46 83 69 71 32 103 110 32 111 118 32 116 98 73

...which becomes...

J B O U B S R S N F F V F V E G 1 L N Z T U B . S E G G N O V T B I

...which, when cleaned up, is...

JBO UBS RSNF FV FVEG 1 LNZ TUB.SEG GN OV TBI

...which, if this is the right path, is still encoded. Just a thought...

[dragon44]

wow, great job code breakers!

I had a thought...

Does anyone remember how the Copenhagen password was cracked at the old hanso site? If you don't, there were a long string of numbers in the source that look much like persephone's numbers. They ended up being reverse character codes for the word Copenhagen and the "Faxed" image.

I tried to go to the old archive of the hanso site on bigspaceship.com. but they have taken them all down. Does anyone have a complete archive of the site? I would like some confirmation that I am remembering correctly.

Anyway, I was thinking that maybe we could use the same methods on the persephone numbers and see what we get. Although, I have no idea how they got Copenhagen from all of those numbers. All I remember is the person that cracked it said they were reverse character codes. Sorry, I know I am not being a huge help here.

[foxxie]

:) "the people who has the key sees the comedy when people try to solve it?" :p

LOL when I saw comedy I was thinking, if they made that code just to see if I would look at everypage and word in this book just to laugh at me, I'm going to be angry! :D :nanabobo:

ETA:
OK, has anyone here read the book a Treasure Trove? There was a number word sequence used in the companion book to that book. I have the book, but it's at work. Supposedly the code was used as a "treasure map" for buried treasure somewhere in the U.S. I will go into work tomarrow and get the book if you guys think it might help.

[KW]

So could the numbers on Persephone's site by ascii code? Wikipedia mentions that 32 is the ascii "space" character... and 32 is the predominant number in the number sequence. It looks like this...

106 98 111 32 117 98 115 32 114 115 110 102 32 102 118 32 102 118

...etc, etc, etc...

JBO UBS RSNF FV FVEG 1 LNZ TUB.SEG GN OV TBI

...which, if this is the right path, is still encoded. Just a thought...


Someone had the same thought in the Hanso thread.


Ok, on the subject of the Persephone numbers, I just have to point out that I'm positive, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that it's the ASCII translation we're supposed to be looking at. Notice the frequency of 32s that map to spaces, and the fact that every number maps to an alpha-numeric character (plus punctuation), without any "weird" values that would show up as squiggles or unprintable characters. There's NO WAY that's a coincidence.

So no, the numbers in the code have no value other than their ASCII representation. Trying to add them up, multiply by PI, and divide by 108 is, IMHO, a completely futile exercise.

So...what the heck does "jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI" mean?

umdesch4

PS. Oh duh! <forehead smack> "Log in at THF.org May 1 This is safe for now"
I totally missed that!

[Rainflower]

Fozzie -:rotfl:

If I had been involved in making a game such as this, I would have done something like that. Making a long code making people flip trough a million pages and in the end the code just said "ha!ha! made you look!".

[rottenralf]

Someone had the same thought in the Hanso thread.

They did a rot13 on the letters, then had to do a few substitutions. They didn't rot13 the number so that could mean May 14th, not May1 which would make more sense.

[KW]

yeah... nevermind me. I've been reading this thread for a day now, and somehow thought that code hadn't been cracked. Don't mind me... I will be returning to my regularly schedule lurking right... about... now.

:rolleyes4

[theidofbrad]

May 14th is a long time to wait for another clue. I'm hoping that they give us something else next wednesday.

[The_Island]

May 14th is a long time to wait for another clue. I'm hoping that they give us something else next wednesday.


well if you listen to the voice mail messages...hugh says he will be back in 2 weeks, and the other guy says 3 weeks i think...so maybe we will get more then.

[duality]

In the original base64 decode of the message, the letters that "don't come out right" when you apply rot13 are all vowels. I've put them in bold here:

jbo ubs rsnf fv fveG 1 lnZ tub.SEG gn ov tbI

I don't know whether this means anything, but the exceptions to the rot13 rule are as follows:

E=H
I=L
O=N
U=R

Note the absence of "A" entirely.

Again, I don't know whether this means anything, but it might be something someone might want to look into. I hope I explained it clearly enough.

Jeff Eff

Yes I agree, I think there is some kind of code in the rot13 exceptions, and maybe we need to figure it out now, or it will come into play later.

duality

[ILoveEko]

Makes sense, TI.

[theidofbrad]

TI, I had forgotten about that bit of info. But do we know what date that 'I'll be back in 2 weeks' started? If it started on the 1st, when I believe the game officially started, he'd get back the 15th. Unless he didn't mean that exactly 14 days in which case it is very much possible that Sunday May 14th is when the clue will be applicable. Which might also mean that he might be a mole since it'll be safe to login when he's back. who knows this early on

[The_Island]

TI, I had forgotten about that bit of info. But do we know what date that 'I'll be back in 2 weeks' started? If it started on the 1st, when I believe the game officially started, he'd get back the 15th. Unless he didn't mean that exactly 14 days in which case it is very much possible that Sunday May 14th is when the clue will be applicable. Which might also mean that he might be a mole since it'll be safe to login when he's back. who knows this early on


not sure...was just putting it out there...probably better off continued discussion in the HANSO thread tho

[OBlevins]

TI, I had forgotten about that bit of info. But do we know what date that 'I'll be back in 2 weeks' started? If it started on the 1st, when I believe the game officially started, he'd get back the 15th. Unless he didn't mean that exactly 14 days in which case it is very much possible that Sunday May 14th is when the clue will be applicable. Which might also mean that he might be a mole since it'll be safe to login when he's back. who knows this early on

I believe ROT13 is a simple substitution cipher that can only be applied to letters of the alphabet. This is easily demonstrated by switching letters like so:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M
N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

If you applied the same substitution rules for numerals, it might be a ROT5 substitution.

1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 0

Therefore, if the 1 is to be substituted, it would most likely be substituted by a 6. I think May 6th is more likely.

[dragon44]

Ok, I was right. This is the exact same method they used on the old hanso site to encode the Copenhagen password. Although they have taken it one step further this time.

So I basically just reinvented the wheel for no reason, because you all had already figured it out. I am now 100% sure that the reverse ACSII decimal codes are the correct code breaker here.

and again great job guys!

[The_Island]

Ok, I was right. This is the exact same method they used on the old hanso site to encode the Copenhagen password. Although they have taken it one step further this time.

So I basically just reinvented the wheel for no reason, because you all had already figured it out. I am now 100% sure that the reverse ACSII decimal codes are the correct code breaker here.

and again great job guys!


as always Dragon...thanx for coming out ;)

[A.'.A.'.]

I posted this in the reverse engineering thread, but I thought I would post it over here too.

I think the missing words on the MFI section are a message to someone.

Zambia
More Soon
Steevo

Like Zambia is an answer to a question.
More info soon.
Steevo could be the person writing it...or who it is to.

[LostEmissary]

I posted this in the reverse engineering thread, but I thought I would post it over here too.

I think the missing words on the MFI section are a message to someone.

Zambia
More Soon
Steevo

Like Zambia is an answer to a question.
More info soon.
Steevo could be the person writing it...or who it is to.Or Zambia and Steevo are code names or aliases.

Zambia,

More Soon.

-Steevo

[theidofbrad]

I thought with three 'hidden' words and there being three things you have to enter at widmore.com they would be linked but no luck there:mad:

[Topnotch Toast]

£§·¶ßª©²³¹≤≥¥µ∂∑Ππ∫
‘’‛”'÷()ÿŸ/‚„‰ÁÉÂËÉÙÚÛı/??
9ÍχÀč‰13/9/19/19/9/14/7[±ˉ·U??ˉÖ?31eNÄ??U∫
êκωŌ∑‚zǔÿ„1îāk*ÿï; ?†íΧ˛
ìǔ?,b§?é
15/18/7/1/14/19 |

Characters of the image :D

Anybody else notice that 13/9/19/19/9/14/7 and 15/18/7/1/14/19 are the numbers for the letters "missing" and "organs"?

Maybe missing organs is a clue for something else, eventually.

[juju]

EEK. I posted a bunch of numbers over at the ALL HANSO thread. Should they be over here?

[jeffeff]

Someone tell me I'm not insane, because I used the search button and found nothing.

When you login to sign up for the newsletter on thehansofoundation.org, just before the "Welcome Back" message pops up, does anyone else see in that location, for a split second, "sdsdsd"?

Jeff Eff

[Andi553]

Someone tell me I'm not insane, because I used the search button and found nothing.

When you login to sign up for the newsletter on thehansofoundation.org, just before the "Welcome Back" message pops up, does anyone else see in that location, for a split second, "sdsdsd"?
Yes Jeff Eff, I do. I tried to screencap it but it appears and goes so fast. I tried typing sdsdsdsd all over the site too, but no luck.

It looks like a placeholder for the message before it's appearing... I do something similar sometimes when coding too. lol.. it's just so the developer can see where the text box is while they work on making the site... guess they forgot to remove sdsdsdsd when they finished ;)

Good news though, you're not insane! ;)

[gstartle]

Sorry to be so vague, but did I spot someone looking for a mirror of the old Hanso website? If so it can be found at http://emri.perception.net/ .

xxg

[polyonymous]

more zambia missing organs soon steevo :)

[steeeb]

http://persephone.thehansofoundation.org/index.html

NEW NUMBERS!

[steeeb]

HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE. 8, not 1 a nd 6. ill double check

[steeeb]

HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE. 8, not 1 and 6.

[steeeb]

So itll update on the 8th, not the 1st or 6th.

[SeanDude05]

Hmmmm. They have a Windows Host PC and it has Nil urge to run? Haha.

[steeeb]

lol

[LostWriter]

HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE. 8, not 1 and 6.
HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE

is also an anagram for:

CHRISTIAN HELPING US NOW

Don't know if that's useful or not.

[Awe Inspiring]

Man, now we have to wait a whole day before a new clue is given. Stupid weekends, if it wasnt for the sleeping in, there would be little use for them here in Lost-land.

[jeffeff]

HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE

is also an anagram for:

CHRISTIAN HELPING US NOW

Don't know if that's useful or not.

The capital letters must be an anagram for something, although I think a good place to start would be to remove the letters "HANSO," since the phrase is likely to contain that word. Also, the "." in the middle of what is likely one complete sentence (i.e., the phrase "8, not 1 and 6" is the second half of a sentence of which the anagram is the first half) could mean that it contains a web address.

So, we need to find a suffix that is in the remaining letters.

"HANSO.NET" leaves the following letters, which someone might want to try to make sense of: WIHSPCINILURG

Here is a link to: http://hanso.net

Can someone who can read Korean figure out whether this is anything? And can someone figure out whether hanso.net is "in game"?

Jeff Eff

[orangeking]

Havent spoken Korean for 4 years so i am very rusty, but i think it talks about database software...so my guess..not game related

[Awe Inspiring]

I don't think its game related. I goggle translated it, but it didn't do much because it is mostly pics. What it did translate was stuff about data civil official. very odd. I dont think it means anything.

[manar]

nah it's a korean stock and sales application :

http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/translate?wl_lp=KO-EN&wl_fl=2&wl_rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fhanso.net%2F%2F&wl_url=http%3A%2F%2Fhanso.net%2F&wlg_table=-3

[jeffeff]

Well, OK then. I still think that the anagram must contain "HANSO" though, and the "." is suspect to me.

Jeff Eff

[Kaytiana]

hi i'm new to the game (well i've been perusing myself for a few days, but i've just joined here officially to get involved) i'm not to sure about my code-breaking skills (infact i'm pretty sure they're non-existant) but i did notice on the hanso site that when you sign in and you get the 'no new messages' screen the mfi logo becomes a root to the power of m (i'm not sure how to put pics in here) (and the WWP logo also remains) and i thought this was perhaps a clue to break a code (i'm not sure in what capacity)? not to the code you're solving at the moment, but maybe something to come up later?

anyway just thought i'd mention it so it was here as a potential solution.

Kayti

[trailgoat]

Anagraming HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE, I get:

HE IS WATCHING NO LIPS RUN...hmmmm (looking for others)

[shauniedarko]

Hey all,

I'm new to the board, and I'm not good at breaking codes or reverse engineering websites, but I have a strange way of looking at things that might help.

The first thing I wanted to mention was this new message. There have been confusion as to the "dates" that we may or may not want to check back at the thf.org for, however, 2 thigns come to mind:

1. The Lost folks never make anything easy. Is it really logical to think they would read the boards, realize we were on the wrong track and give us a hint that was easier to decode than the first one?

2. Even if they DID decide to be nice and give us the right date, what purpose would that serve since as crazy about this as we all are, they know that even if we got the date wrong, because we check the site every day, we would still check the date on the "right" day.

Ok, so maybe it's not so helpful, but I was just thinking that it's not going to be a fun game if they "correct" us everytime we're on the wrong track.

I'll be more helpful next time.

S.

[trailgoat]

The new Persophone message was first posted this morning (7:26 EST). My guess is it refers to some bit on info from the night before. Either the phone call LostScape received, or the post she shared from Andy, concerning Rachel. (<---invio text--highlight to read, if you don't mind reverse engineering clues)

I am currently focusing on the latter option.:)

[trailgoat]

How about this anagram? LAUNCHING SPRITE IN SHOW? There were Sprite commericials on the phone call and people refer to sprites in the code, although I must admit, I don't know what those are.

[duality]

Anagraming HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE, I get:

HE IS WATCHING NO LIPS RUN...hmmmm (looking for others)

The words LOGIN and PW (password) can be made from those letters, maybe the rest can be decoded into the login id and password?

One possibility:

LOGIN IS ETHAN
PW IS CHURN

[trailgoat]

The words LOGIN and PW (password) can be made from those letters, maybe the rest can be decoded into the login id and password?
One possibility:
LOGIN IS ETHAN
PW IS CHURN

I like it duality..Now if those logins will come live...
I was working on an anagram: HUGH WISCONSIN --->leaves these letters: ATPNILRE. I can't get much to work: in, near, plant, tip, peril are some combos.

Or:WISCONSIN LUNG HEART HIP (but hip isn't an organ, so that seems unlikely) :)

[Andi553]

Guys, I believe this has been solved as:
"SIGN IN WITH HANSO PR CLUE. 8, not 1 and 6"

[LAN]

And the Hanso PR clue could refer to the word "miracle" which is now dead linked on the WWP/DP page on the Hanso Project menu under "press release" (press release = PR) ?????

[Penelope]

Maybe 'miracle' is a clue for the correct login, and not the login itself?

I procured the following intel from the 'Lage's Code thread, viewable at
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=970530#post970530

Originally Posted by Dennis Macke http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/images/FuselageGreen/misc/backlink.gif (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=970486#post970486)
This is what the anagram says.

USERS CAN LOG IN WITHIN PHI. 8, not 1 and 6.

Phi is equivalent to 1.618 These numbers are referred to in the second portion of the message. Also phi is called the divine proportion which the da Vinci drawing "The Vitruvian Man" was based on. This drawing appears on the Hanso Foundation commercial.
That's very good, but you have an extra letter "I" in your anagram.
The original was: HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE. 8, not 1 and 6.

Also, I'm not sure what your anagram means.

[PsychoFish]

maybe:

users can login with pin HI ... ok just a try i'll check it anyway...

edit: you might wanna forget about that ;) no reaction .. nowhere

[mtee146]

If "PR" stands for press release, then maybe there's something more in the 05/05/06 press release (not just 'miracle' in the WWDP one). I found it strange that the email link at the bottom is a little screwed up: part of the phone number is tied up in the email link. Now that's an obvious mistake and easy to fix, why didn't they?

It's interesting that the first three numbers of that phone number are "816" - maybe a reference to the second half of persephone's message?
If that part was only a reference to dates (that the login is the 8th, not 1st or 6th), I found it strange that it said "not 1 and 6": surely the more normal way to say it would be "not 1 or 6" ?

Also, clicking on the email link brings up an email addressed to "McIntyre @thehansofoundation.org (McIntyre@hansofoundation.org)", whereas on the document, it is written as "Hugh.McIntyre @thehansofoundation.org (Hugh.McIntyre@hansofoundation.org)". So "Hugh" is missing.

Maybe it's as simple as "Hugh" being the login and some permutation of the digits of the phone number the password - perhaps minus the 1 and 6, because the second part of the message says so.

EDITed: to fix up typos and clarify.

[megatron]

Hi, new guy to this thread... Very impressive stuff so far. Quick question:
Can anyone make anything of the "feed code error" message when you click on the RSS box at the bottom of the hanso page (I got it using the newest version of explorer (7 Beta, I believe)?

When I clicked on "more information" (on the feed code error message) I got this:

Reference to undefined entity 'rsquo'.
Line: 17 Character: 27
<title>Joop the Orangutan&rsquo;s 105th birthday</title>

I think you can use photoshop to view the file (or maybe it's a code clue of some sort), but my computer recently crashed and I have yet to reinstall PS.

Sorry if this is a repeat, but I couldn't find anything about thie in the code threads.

[The_Island]

welcome Megatron to the webmaze
Feel free to stop by the Boom Boom Room thread to introduce yourself to everyone.

[ILoveEko]

If you have an RSS feed reader, you can read the messages.

[WayOffCourse]

megatron and TI,
Actually, that RSS link is for a new form of news link. It was adressed somewhere last week (can't remember which thread, but a thread search of RSS reader may bring it up). If you download an appropriate reader, the announcement that the hanso site is back up as well as the joop birthday announcement are there. I used the google reader to get them.

[Andi553]

megatron, if you want to see the feed without downloading a reader, try Google Reader. It's because the RSS feed contains a invalid XML character... but some readers have better error handling capabilities than others..

Google Reader is free and online at: http://reader.google.com

[Borky]

"HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE. 8, not 1 and 6."

Ok, throwing this out there...

If you don't know by now, clicking on the date in hanso's profile takes you to a new flash. At the end, there is morse which spells out "SAFEG".

"A" is the 1st letter of alphabet, "F" is the 6th, and "H" is the eighth. So, if we re-read the second sentence at the top as:

"H, not A and F."

and apply this to SAFEG, we'd get SHEG. Nothing important there UNLESS, we add this to the first scrambled sentence getting:

"HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE SHEG"

Now... what the hell would this anagram to? lol

ETA: oops! mispelled my borked up new word. SHEG not SHED.

[The_Island]

"HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE. 8, not 1 and 6."

Ok, throwing this out there...

If you don't know by now, clicking on the date in hanso's profile takes you to a new flash. At the end, there is morse which spells out "SAFEG".

"A" is the 1st letter of alphabet, "F" is the 6th, and "H" is the eighth. So, if we re-read the second sentence at the top as:

"H, not A and F." and apply this to SAFEG, we'd get SHEG. Nothing important there UNLESS, we add this to the first scrambled sentence getting:

"HAS WIN HOST PC IN NIL URGE SHED"

Now... what the hell would this anagram to? lol


Once again Borky...you just blew my mind, lol

[Penelope]

From the Fuselage Anagrams to the latest update:

You can get "Hatch Sign in" "Hatch Log in" I think, check an anagram server...

and:

LOGIN IS ETHAN PW IS CHURN
eta: this does NOT work. At least not yet.

[A.'.A.'.]

That is the shed that Damon was talking about in the podcast where he explained the term "to shed light on something"

:nanabobo:

[shauniedarko]

Ok, I may be totally talking out of my behind, but I've been thinking about the "8, not 1 and 6" part of the new message from Persephone. Now, if the rest of the anagram is talking about a password, and if the clue is "Sign in with Hanso PR clue" then go back to the Press Release. It's always bothered me that in the link to Hugh's email, they "accidentally" included part of the phone number. The part of the phone number that's linked is: 861-5017. If you read that as part of the clue and then take out the first 1 and six or both 1's and the 6, then the sign in might be:
85017 or
8507 or
with a "/" on the end or with a - in between.

What do you all think?

S.

[A.'.A.'.]

Good thinkin! Not sure what it would mean...but it makes more sense than persephone correcting the original translation.

[Andi553]

shauniedarko - I tried 85017 and 8507 as the Party extension numbers on the freephone number... got nothing. May be something in what you're saying though..

[theidofbrad]

in the party extension part of the hansorg phone number, it'll automatically send you to 1 2 3 4 or 5 regardless of what number you put in front of it. so even if you thought the code was 815, it would send you to 1 before you even got to the 5. So, either there is no other extensions, or they will consist of 6 7 8 9 or 0.

[LAN]

I know you guys are the code breaking gurus. Does that mean anyone knows anything about seperating and analyzing the soundtrack. I am specifically thinking about the track playing after the Updated Alvar Hanso bio has been opened. I know nothing about this, so could be way off, but it sounds like there are multiple tracks overlayed on top of each other. Anyone know anything about this stuff?

[SeanDude05]

85017 is a zip code near Glendale, CA

[politik426]

Hey, first time poster here, but I was just thinking about the bizarre gramatical structure in the sentence: "The Hanso foundation, setting world speed records for subverting authority"

Just wondering if you guys think this could be an anagram?

[Kaytiana]

Hey, first time poster here, but I was just thinking about the bizarre gramatical structure in the sentence: "The Hanso foundation, setting world speed records for subverting authority"

Just wondering if you guys think this could be an anagram?

perhaps politik, good thinking. i was more intrigued by who it was attached to, but maybe you're on to something there. perhaps leading to some sort of password for thompson?

[PandoraX]

Sorry to interrupt, but have u code-breakers tried using the dates of Alvar's travel yet?

- London: 14.06.2000
- Copenhagen: 12.11.2000
- Paris: 22.02.2001
- Geneva: 12.07.2001
- Rome: 18.09.2001 (White background)
- Copenhagen: 01.01.2001
- Madrid: 31.12.2001

Could they be some sort of number code?

[Kaytiana]

Sorry to interrupt, but have u code-breakers tried using the dates of Alvar's travel yet?

- London: 14.06.2000
- Copenhagen: 12.11.2000
- Paris: 22.02.2001
- Geneva: 12.07.2001
- Rome: 18.09.2001 (White background)
- Copenhagen: 01.01.2001
- Madrid: 31.12.2001

Could they be some sort of number code?

also the copenhagen 12.11.00, geneve 12.7.01 and madrid 31.12.02 are the only ones that dont turn into static, maybe the clue is within them? or these are the dates we need to keep a look out for.

[the_arbiter]

Sorry to interrupt, but have u code-breakers tried using the dates of Alvar's travel yet?

- London: 14.06.2000
- Copenhagen: 12.11.2000
- Paris: 22.02.2001
- Geneva: 12.07.2001
- Rome: 18.09.2001 (White background)
- Copenhagen: 01.01.2001
- Madrid: 31.12.2001

Could they be some sort of number code?

maybe im just tryin to catch smoke with my bare hands, but im feeling that there is definitely more to come tomorrow when the next new ep airs in the UK.

[duality]

LOGIN IS ETHAN PW IS CHURN
eta: this does NOT work. At least not yet.

Don't know whether to laugh or be frustrated. This is the second idea I posted that showed up uncredited on another site (the first was the decoding of the first persephone ascii code). Guess I should be flattered although I really don't think that this solution was correct (although it would be cool if it was).

duality

[megatron]

I tried searching for this, but I didn't find it anywhere:

Just wondering... has anyone made the connection between the part of the website where you have to click on the circles and the map that was on the blast door?

[LostEmissary]

Don't know whether to laugh or be frustrated. This is the second idea I posted that showed up uncredited on another site (the first was the decoding of the first persephone ascii code). Guess I should be flattered although I really don't think that this solution was correct (although it would be cool if it was).

dualityA few things I've learned about ARGs:

1) Just when you think you've discovered something new, someone somewhere else has likely found it first

2) When you finally do figure out something cool, someone else posts it (via a website/blog) and either they, or someone who saw you solve it, takes credit for it.

3) The most enjoyment of the game comes when people work together to solve clues. It's unfortunate, but in a game this big, most puzzles have been solved before you even log on to see the next puzzle.

I hear where you're coming from, though - and sometimes the first person to solve something does get credit, but in the end, I think it's more about the personal satisfaction of knowing you did it on your own, rather than about others knowing who did it. :Cheers:

[LostEmissary]

I tried searching for this, but I didn't find it anywhere:

Just wondering... has anyone made the connection between the part of the website where you have to click on the circles and the map that was on the blast door?I've seen a few people mention it here and there in passing, but I don't recall ever seeing an overlay or anything along those lines.

[megatron]

I've seen a few people mention it here and there in passing, but I don't recall ever seeing an overlay or anything along those lines.

The only reason I ask in this thread is because there is an order to the lines as they travel from circle to circle....? Could this be translated to the map somehow?

[PsychoFish]

Ok, I may be totally talking out of my behind, but I've been thinking about the "8, not 1 and 6" part of the new message from Persephone. Now, if the rest of the anagram is talking about a password, and if the clue is "Sign in with Hanso PR clue" then go back to the Press Release. It's always bothered me that in the link to Hugh's email, they "accidentally" included part of the phone number. The part of the phone number that's linked is: 861-5017. If you read that as part of the clue and then take out the first 1 and six or both 1's and the 6, then the sign in might be:
85017 or
8507 or
with a "/" on the end or with a - in between.

What do you all think?

S.
yesterday i tried almost every combination of that numbers... trying to and not to use the 8 for 1 and 6 thing .... got nothing .. used hugh for loginname and ne numervariations for pw... tried the numers for login ... nothing came out...

[lostscape]

Hi,
This reverse engineering thing is beyond me, but I have some intel that may be new, if it is not, please disregard. Thanks.

ixalon wrote:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=237790#237790
Found using what some consider 'brute-force'...


Someone's making changes to thehansofoundation.org...

Old file:
520554 2006-05-03 11:02 Joop_2.swf
New file:
520557 2006-05-08 11:13 Joop_2.swf

Unfortunately I didn't keep hold of a copy of the old Joop_2.swf so I can't compare the two.. Only 3 bytes bigger so probably not much of a change...

edit: btw, this is the file you get to by trying to send a message to Joop.


The swf of Joop, when you enter a subsequent message to Persephone, appears to have changed. I recall him turning his head; then one aggressive, very fangy, mouth wide open shot. This new one is a little less scary. Could that be it?</SPAN>

[LostWriter]

Sorry to interrupt, but have u code-breakers tried using the dates of Alvar's travel yet?

- London: 14.06.2000
- Copenhagen: 12.11.2000
- Paris: 22.02.2001
- Geneva: 12.07.2001
- Rome: 18.09.2001 (White background)
- Copenhagen: 01.01.2001
- Madrid: 31.12.2001

Could they be some sort of number code?


If you add all the numbers together and continue adding until you get 1 digit you get the following 7 number:

479-5451 (I thought this might be a phone number, I called 1-877-479-5451 and a woman answered. Told her I had the wrong number).

LCP-GRCM (first letter of each site) would also provide the following phone number: 527-4726. I didn't call this one.

Need to get back to work. Not sure if this is useful.

[PandoraX]

a woman answered. Told her I had the wrong number).
.

Oh, you should have continued in TINAG character and shouted at her:

"I DEMAND to talk to Hugh! I know you are hiding something! Don't think I don't know all about the worldwide conspiracy behind all this!"


Hah, j/k. Numbers... Numbers...first in the show, now in the webmaze... ARGHHHH!!! :D

[LostWriter]

Thanks Pan! You're all heart.

I was considering this too from the map. Since the last known location is Madrid, the phone number might be from Spain:

+34 914 795 451

The +3491 is standard from what I can tell.

Anyone feel like calling Spain? rofl. I'm sure this is a dead end, but I love playing with number combinations.

[jerm]

I'm not sure if I should post this here but...

When you first go to the site, and that one asian lady is talking, it seems as though she is saying something else, like in Japanese movies translated into english.

We need an expert mouth-reader to figure this out. ;)

[politik426]

Sry to bug, but back to my thought about the phrase: "The Hanso foundation, setting world speed records for subverting authority"

being an anagram is possible. I've been working on it, and so far I have, "To login use (blank) as the password..."

Anybody else have any thoughts?

[Penelope]

I'm not sure if I should post this here but...

When you first go to the site, and that one asian lady is talking, it seems as though she is saying something else, like in Japanese movies translated into english.

We need an expert mouth-reader to figure this out. ;)

I noticed this too but dismissed it as my sound being off with the image feed. Anyone else want to weigh in?

Politik -- I am not sure how to help you there, as I am not good at codes, but you are probably onto something!! :D

[megatron]

Hi,
This reverse engineering thing is beyond me, but I have some intel that may be new, if it is not, please disregard. Thanks.

ixalon wrote:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=237790#237790
Found using what some consider 'brute-force'...


Someone's making changes to thehansofoundation.org...

Old file:
520554 2006-05-03 11:02 Joop_2.swf
New file:
520557 2006-05-08 11:13 Joop_2.swf

Unfortunately I didn't keep hold of a copy of the old Joop_2.swf so I can't compare the two.. Only 3 bytes bigger so probably not much of a change...

edit: btw, this is the file you get to by trying to send a message to Joop.


The swf of Joop, when you enter a subsequent message to Persephone, appears to have changed. I recall him turning his head; then one aggressive, very fangy, mouth wide open shot. This new one is a little less scary. Could that be it?</SPAN>

Yeah, that first one... it was 2 am and scared the :Cowdance: out of me... (cheers arbi)