The Two Most Important Lines In Tonight's Episode

[Choppin Broccoli]

Kate saying, "This baby is all of us," and Jack shouting, "Don't tell me what I can't do," a la Locke.

Another detail that raised a huge red flag for me was the fact that Jack's wife-to-be met Jack after a bad auto accident that left her paralyzed, and Jack was the only doctor capable of helping her walk again. Definite connection to Locke there. Maybe Locke either went to see, or was about to go see, Jack in the hope that Jack could work his magic and help him walk again. Maybe that machine by his bed was something Jack used to help his fiancee get over her paralysis. The connection seems obvious. What it all means, we have yet to learn.

Random observations: It was hard to hear a lot of what Boone was saying. Anybody with closed captions get anything juicy out of that?

I'm still sticking to my idea from months ago that Jin can speak English too. We know he can say "Jack" and "doctor," and he knows what they mean. Knowing names isn't all that impressive, but knowing that Jack is a doctor, and knowing what that word means would have been hard for Jin to just "pick up" in casual conversations (and how many of those do you think Jin has been involved in on the island?).

Maybe it was a trick of the lighting, or maybe it was intentional, but did Claire's baby have black eyes (if so, it could be an indication of the baby's nature, as well as a nod to Claire's dream where Locke had one black eye and one white eye--also, in last week's episode, I could have sworn that in Locke's dream about Boone, Boone had white eyes)? And did anyone else notice that Claire's baby was born at about the exact same time as Boone died? Could be a reinforcement of the "opposites" theme (two sides, one white, one black, opposing forces--maybe on the island, in order to achieve balance, one life has to end in order for another life to begin).

Did Boone die because he was exposed to the numbers (they are on the hatch)?

After the birth, Jin can be seen on at least two different occasions congratulating and shaking Charlie's hand as if Charlie's the father, and he tried to comfort Charlie throughout the birth. While it's true that Charlie will probably be the de facto father of the baby while they're on the island, this struck me as odd. Also, whenever Claire has had "baby events" during her time on the island, Jin has always seemed to be around.

Any significance to the fact that Jack, the doctor, the healer, the guy everyone turns to when they have problems, has the "Universal Donor" blood type? Also, any significance to the fact that Jack pumped his own blood into Boone (I know there's some symbolism there just screaming at me, but I'm too tired to really put my finger on it right now).

[Suil Liath]

Weird thought of the day:

Jack and his wife coulldn't have kids and THEY were the people who were adopting Claire's baby.

[jekelish]

wait...i thought that there WAS no adoptive couple, and that it was a wicked li'l scheme concocted by the psychic in order to get preggy mcpreggo on the doomed flight...

i kinda interpret kate saying "the baby is all of us" as meaning the baby, the new life, represents hope and new beginnings.

:hat

[SpidermanHouston]

Jack and his wife coulldn't have kids and THEY were the people who were adopting Claire's baby.

Jack was in Australlia to take his dad's body home. He did not have adoption on his mind. The couple waiting to adopt Claire's baby were supposedly waiting for her in Los Angeles.

[Choppin Broccoli]

Maybe. Jack DID say something by the pool about being the "husband.......and father" he wants to be. However, we see the people who want to adopt Claire's baby, and their names are Joseph and someone else. If you mean the couple in L.A. the psychic tells Claire about, you could be right, but the psychic said they would be waiting at the airport for her plane to arrive. Jack was in Australia at the time, and was on the plane with her. I like the idea, though. It may have some legs.

[Choppin Broccoli]

How about this: Jack was clearly in a big hurry to get his father's body back to the States that same day. Maybe the REASON he was in such a big hurry was because A) He had to meet Claire at the airport, or B) He was scheduled to operate on Locke.

[Mr Block of Cheese]

Actually I think Kate said "The baby is all of OURS." not us.

I like your idea though >D

[jekelish]

i bet he was in a rush to get his father's body back to the states was for a funeral...but that's just me.

:hat

[Choppin Broccoli]

Another Christianity reference? Claire, the mother of a baby whose father is not around, or who HAS no father (Mary). Charlie, the guy who raises the baby but isn't its father (Joseph). And the baby that is the salvation of all of them? If that's what the writers are going for, wouldn't it stand to reason that the baby would have to die for all the other people on the island to be saved?

[jekelish]

i hope that the writers would avoid a Christ figure...i mean, it's really kind of a cliche premise at this point.

however, i do see where you're going with it...i just hope it's not what happens.

:hat

[Choppin Broccoli]

I agree it's cliche, but the last few episodes have seemed to be LOADED with relgious and/or Christianity-related references. Just take a look at a Christmas Nativity Scene, and then replay the last few minutes of tonight's show, where all the people come from all over the island and gather on the beach to gaze lovingly on Claire's new baby.

Of course, I wouldn't put it past the writers to be creating the biggest red herring known to man, either. I'm just trying to identify all the pieces right now. Putting them all together is a different matter entirely.

[LostInWilderness]

ChoppinBroccoli writes:
[Jack] had to meet Claire at the airport
Dude, there was nobody waiting at the airport. The psychic wanted that baby Lost.
also:
He was scheduled to operate on Locke.
Locke, who was scheduled to be on walkabout and was in fact stuck on the same plane?

You're just messing with us, aren't you?

[jekelish]

ya know, i've been thinking about it now...i could easily see the writers turn locke into a martyr...ya know, where in reality he's the savior, trying to bring these people salvation and hope, but they all turn on him (as is apparently going to be the case) because they, like us, think that he's up to no good on the island. but what if locke really IS doing everything with the best interest of the survivors in mind?

that'd be kinda interesting, i think, and sort of turn the whole thing on its head.

:hat

[drabauer]

Excellent points Choppin. To whit:
Another detail that raised a huge red flag for me was the fact that Jack's wife-to-be met Jack after a bad auto accident that left her paralyzed, and Jack was the only doctor capable of helping her walk again.... What it all means, we have yet to learn.

Yes, I almost thought Boone wouldn't die if they chopped off his leg, there is so much of that going around. ;)

Seriously, lame heros abound in myth (they were one of the centerpiece icons in Levi-Straus's seminal "The Raw and The Cooked" structural study of universal myths), but Lost adds the whole "healer" angle: who really heals these people, and what are they really ailing from?

What I heard from Boone wasn't much more than that the plane fell on him, Locke lied because he didn't want anyone to know about the hatch, and for Jack to let him go (the hero's death--very nice of them to send him off so touchingly!). But did he every say what to tell Shannon?

I don't think Jin speaks English, I think he's learning it very quickly. This would fit the "everyone is special" theory in that some or all of them may be quick studies. As to Jin and Charlie, I thought he was just trying to acknowledge in a very male bonding kind of way that he understands how much Charlie cares for Claire, and that he has come out of his shell and decided to engage with these people. Basically, his actions say that he now believes his wife was right.

Great call on Jack as universal blood donor (but why?), and that he gave his blood to save Boone but it wasn't enough. I'm thinking there might be a three strikes play: Jack couldn't save the Marshal, Boone or Joanna. What's next for him? Someone has to save him emotionally as did his wife (at one time . .). "Don't tell me what I can't do" seems almost to transparent of a link to Locke. Jack saved Boone once only to watch him die. Kate killed a man and brought another into the world. Jack the Shephard shed his blood for another, but all he got for it was a lousy sea urchan needle.

Got to sleep on this one . . .

[jekelish]

i dunno, jin doesn't seem to be picking up on english all that quickly. there are some words that are pretty universal, or at least, that are easily recognizable...i would imagine "doctor" is one of them.

other than that, what has he really said? boat? well...everyone is screaming about the boat, michael keeps talking about the boat, yada yada, and jin sees what is being built...it's pretty easy to figure out.

:hat

[kimjoy85]

Uuh, if everyone is referring to someone as "doctor" Im sure one will pick up on this title. It doesn't mean he knows what the word means.

I did notice that what Jack said was a lot like what Locke says. Interesting....

[BleedingAgain]

yeah i noticed the babys eyes were jet black, maybe it was just the light, but i swear they were black as night...

[Badger]

In reality a newborn almost always has blue or grey eyes with the final color, say green, or brown for example, not distinguishing itself for up to six months.

Then again, the fact Claire's baby had what appeared to be a nice round head, even though she didn't have a c-section; eyes wide open and weighing 2-3 times what it should have, certainly considering her diet, should have caught someones attention. ;)

But yes, they did look black as marbles and I noticed that as well.

[azteclady]

Actually, that baby seemed to me pretty close to a normal sized newborn. But that's obviously anecdotical evidence only - I don't claim to have too much experience with newborns.


Got a question/problem/complaint? Read the entire Welcome forum first, then PM me.

[RogsAngel1198]

I believe Kate said the "Baby is all of ours" because she wanted Claire to know she wasn't alone.... they all will help care for the baby and raise it.... the baby is a sign of hope for them all.

[trooper7]

My daughter's eyes were near black at birth, like a midnight blue... They lightened up in just a few weeks.