S2 EPISODE 21 THREAD 10-MAY-06: ?

[Brian]

This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "?" (Mod Note : The Episode is named as a question mark.)

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Enjoy the episode!

Unlocked. Please keep all timers, countdowns, and play-by-play to the "Hype" thread until the episode has aired please. Thanks.

The episode ended at Post #240.

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Episode Description:

Mr. Eko enlists Locke to help find a secret location he believes houses answers to the island's mysteries. Meanwhile, Jack and the other survivors struggle to cope with the horrific situation in the hatch.

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[solat]

open for business!

[stilllost]

here we gooooooooooo!

[drewsgrl]

so excited! this is going to be good!

[jaysmusicman]

Don't you just love the music in the trailer for this episode! Thins are getting hot! oh yeah first time got to post on the first page!

[Arya]

Um ok that was weird...is that his friend?

[LoonyLuna]

omg this is creepy

[solat]

already good!

[Arya]

Aha, that explains the ? title.

Wow this is a weird dream.

[drewsgrl]

bring the axe? a lost massacre?

[solat]

it's his brother

[ObsessionConfession]

i need screencaps of all those things that flashed on the screen!!!

[southy]

He said brotha..sounded like Desmond

[drewsgrl]

i hate michael - faker

[Arya]

It doesn't look like either of them are alive...but I'm still holding out hope for Libby...OMB

[stilllost]

libby!

[LoonyLuna]

oh boy does he look pissed.

how many of you jumped when she spit up?

[solat]

ruh-roh for micheal.

[drewsgrl]

holy crap, libby scared the crap out of me.... so, she is alive...hmmm

[NormanFrancisBates]

well, Libby's not dead, I kinda wanted to see Hurley get some revenge. Hell hath no fury like a fat man scorned!

[Arya]

I KNEW SHE WAS ALIVE!!! I wonder how LONG she'll stay alive?

This is a WEIRD episode!

[Mysterious Mike]

I love this show

[solat]

yeah, i jumped

[synthmasterj]

sweet! more blood!

[stilllost]

yay for my sig! \o/

[jaysmusicman]

Um ok that was weird...is that his friend?

Think that was his brother... who was the real priest...

YAY LIBBY ALIVE!!! YAY YAY YAY !
I jumped too! and almost swallowed my smoke!

[synthmasterj]

I KNEW SHE WAS ALIVE!!! I wonder how LONG she'll stay alive?

This is a WEIRD episode!

Just enough time to rat michales ass out.

[Lost Freaks]

oh I hope she atleast just says Micheal

[LoonyLuna]

haha the look on michaels face was priceless. "oh SHIT."

[uncreativename]

I knew she was alive too! Go Libby!

[solat]

yay for my sig! \o/

hahaha! good work!

[synthmasterj]

Think that was his brother... who was the real priest...

YAY LIBBY ALIVE!!! YAY YAY YAY !

brother.

[Arya]

Ooh right...she'll tell about Michael...but will they believe her? And can she even talk? Blood freakin came out of her throat.

[drewsgrl]

I'm interested to see how Eko makes Locke show him the ?

[solat]

with the ax?

[synthmasterj]

i hope we get to see what the "?" is.

[drewsgrl]

Maybe AnaL isn't really dead...just dead drunk. lol

[Arya]

She's not going to live long. She got shot in the stomach.

[solat]

damn it someone

call micheal out.

[drewsgrl]

yea, I'd love to see Locke hobble on a trail. He doesn't want to find Gale.

[vegasidol]

At least everyone will quit griping about AnaL now.

[southy]

yeah..I just hope she lives long enough to tell them about mean michael

[Pasha]

It's finished already here (Canada), can not wait for you guys ... :)

[solat]

no spoilers pasha!!!!

[SizZiCk]

i bet there will be a miracle on the island

[drewsgrl]

kick his butt, eko!

[Pasha]

no spoilers pasha!!!!

I'm trying, belive me it's really hard to keep mouth shut ... I'll probably tie my hands down:)

[solat]

what good is that going to do eko???!

[NormanFrancisBates]

ack! he hit a cripple!

[LoonyLuna]

what the hell eko!? second time a good guy said im sorry and kicked some ass. sheesh

[stilllost]

locke has been deserving that for the longest

[equinox]

So much for Eko's interrogation techniques.

[Brian]

If anyone posts spoilers in this thread, I'll re-lock it. Please wait until 10PM EST US time before giving anything away. Thank you.

[LoonyLuna]

am i the only one who wanted the reveal of the dead bodies to be a bit more heartwrenching? maybe a few tears?

[Merrick]

locke has been deserving that for the longest

Damn right he has. Eko is king

[I DO WHEELIES]

now hes got to carry john :ImLost:

[time is a river]

How long can Michael keep the deception up? He looks like he is about to burst already. He doesn't seem very convincing to me.

[Sweet Doo]

am i the only one who wanted the reveal of the dead bodies to be a bit more heartwrenching? maybe a few tears?
They didn't even use the usual life taken/ life given theme. There's still the funeral though....

Did everyone catch the Charlotte Malkin/ Claire's psychic Malkin connection?

[solat]

now hes got to carry john :ImLost:

AND his crutches!

[jaysmusicman]

Damn right he has. Eko is king
2nd commercial and before that took another jump after that headbutt! They really got this episode going! ...

[Merrick]

How long can Michael keep the deception up? He looks like he is about to burst already. He doesn't seem very convincing to me.

Mike's never been good at hiding emotion.. He screams more than anyone in the cast I think.

[Pasha]

They didn't even use the usual life taken/ life given theme. There's still the funeral though....

Did everyone catch the Charlotte Malkin/ Claire's psychic Malkin connection?

Sure!:)

[drewsgrl]

ohhh, he's lying...AnaL didn't say that...little bro did.

[stilllost]

eko got him with the dream comment

[Arya]

I wonder who this girl is...

[Arya]

Ew that's just weird. But he has a tape. Of course...OMB OMB. THAT"S SO WEIRD.

[drewsgrl]

eww!! I hate the screams!!! Wow, scary!

[Arya]

"Is this a river?" "No it's a wavy line"

Is that the same plane we keep seeing?

[drewsgrl]

awww, boone.... :(

[solat]

i gotta get some of these flashlight batteries.

[NormanFrancisBates]

mikey's gettin' paranoid! bastard.

[stilllost]

cant believe michael did this :(.....

[drewsgrl]

Hey CHARLIE!!! Where's the DRUGS?!

[solat]

man, jack is such a dick.

i hope he gives micheal a once over while they're gone.

[LoonyLuna]

i'm sorry but didnt locke put the heroine in the room he put the prisoner?

[stilllost]

uhoh, i see some murderous intent a-brewing!

[LoonyLuna]

no wait ignore my comment. i just remembered that sawyer took everything out of it. sorry :-D

[ZIA]

I'm so jealous of the East coast people!
I'm out until later!
Zia

[Pasha]

i'm sorry but didnt locke put the heroine in the room he put the prisoner?

Yes, he did, but S. and C. took it away along with guns.

[Mysterious Mike]

I always thought there was something weird with where the plane was. When Boone drops the planes door it sounded like it hit metal.

[solat]

uhoh, i see some murderous intent a-brewing!

i saw that too!

[carl333]

Michael made a deal with the devil to get Walt back!
WALTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!

[I DO WHEELIES]

AND his crutches!
:coffeedunk: ROFLMAO :Cheers:

[Merrick]

i saw that too!

About to find out how far Mikey is willing to go I think.

[synthmasterj]

damn its already been a half hour!

[Mysterious Mike]

damn its already been a half hour!


And no Hanson commercial yet

[solat]

And no Hanson commercial yet

but there have been THREE commercial breaks.

[southy]

uh ohh..poor hurley

[drewsgrl]

awww, poor hurley

[stilllost]

behold sawyer......the human vault :/

[NormanFrancisBates]

awww Hurley!

[ObsessionConfession]

poor baby hurley!

[solat]

OH HURLEY :(

[I DO WHEELIES]

dont show that statue to charlie :)

[Arya]

Aw, Hurley!!

[TheLostBoys815]

Hurley's expression just broke my heart :( And yeah, I don't think Eko's bro is dead

[Arya]

I knew he couldn't die. HA.

[drewsgrl]

oh crap...phew!! just a dream!

[stilllost]

whoaaaaaaaaa what a brain f*ck

[solat]

WTF

[Arya]

SOMEONE's obsessed. Dude. Beyond freaky. That dream better not become true. Locke knows it might...

[drewsgrl]

is that the psychic?

[drewsgrl]

ohhhh! it is!!

[solat]

is that claire's psychic?

[JohnO3535]

Why was the daughter looking at Eko like that?

[Arya]

A PHYCHIC???

Dude, if our power goes out before this episode's done, I will be so PISSED. Or if theyh come on with the stupid news. GAR.

[drewsgrl]

I think Locke wants him to fall....or he would have told him that he fell in the dream.

[JohnO3535]

Did the Psychic and the mother even see that girl? She looked like a ghost.

[Arya]

QUWSTION MARK OMB SWTF?

[stilllost]

!!!!!!!

[TheLostBoys815]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh damn!

[drewsgrl]

OHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! That's wild!

[LostInWilderness]

Was that Claire's psychic?

[synthmasterj]

WOW~ ?

[ObsessionConfession]

I am so missing something! What did Eko see when he looked down?

[Verite Garde]

I thought we were going to lose Eko to the island like Boone. Whew!

[Mysterious Mike]

The other side

[synthmasterj]

Was that Claire's psychic?

YES

[jaysmusicman]

A PHYCHIC???

Dude, if our power goes out before this episode's done, I will be so PISSED. Or if theyh come on with the stupid news. GAR.

Phychic! thats cool, damn this is rockin'! plane thingie having whatever that thing is called,
dont you just hate how they tricked me with that dream thingie of ecko falling and just being a dream!
I love this show!

[Shellz]

he saw the ? shape

[Verite Garde]

Was that Claire's psychic?

Yes!

[synthmasterj]

I am so missing something! What did Eko see when he looked down?

The question Mark.

[abc17]

Yes that was Claire's psychic

[I DO WHEELIES]

all i saw was a crop circle above the plane. what am i missing?

[Arya]

I am so missing something! What did Eko see when he looked down?

A question mark from burn marks and the plane all together. WILDNESS.

?

[Mysterious Mike]

Was that Claire's psychic?



Yupper , he uses people every day. I think he is feeding Eko some bull dookie , Dharma footsoilder .

[synthmasterj]

the plane and burns and circle made the ?

[LOSTLVR]

I see dead people....

[Bald Eagle]

I think he didn't see loke and there was a large U at the end of the crash sight. the plane looked like a cross

[I DO WHEELIES]

i get it now.....?.

[Mike00]

What did Eko see at the top of the cliff? All I saw was a circle in the grass.

[Verite Garde]

These dreams are wild with Eko's brother in them. Both he and Locke sharing dreams. I always said Eko is a shadow od Locke.

[ObsessionConfession]

Does someone have a screen cap of the ? It looked like the plane and a burned circle to me...

[southy]

looks like another hatch

[Arya]

Is it another hatch?

[Shellz]

the hatch is under the plane!!!!!!!!!!

[Brian]

Eko is having havids just like Locke did in S1. If you don't understand what havid means, take a look at the LOST-TV Dictionary.

[solat]

is that plane made out of aluminum foil?

cause i thought it'd be heavier than that.

[LoonyLuna]

omg

[NormanFrancisBates]

ohhh crazy! just keeps getting better!

[Arya]

Lol they're having more trouble opening the hatch than they were having moving the plane!

Deja vu anyone?

[Shellz]

awwwwwwwwww poor hurley.. i love him...... i wanna cry

[solat]

micheal... you asshole.

[NormanFrancisBates]

Micheal you bastard! you're despicable!

[Arya]

MICHAEL IS SO EVIL!!!

I don't like this music.

[Shellz]

theyre in!!!!! omg omg omg whats gonnahappend??

[LoonyLuna]

omg surveillance??

[dolce55]

oh snap!

[stilllost]

uhoh theyve got evidence!!!!

[LoonyLuna]

i knew it!

[SizZiCk]

DAMMNNN

[carl333]

think they may have a tape recorder running? Michael needs his a@# chewed

[Arya]

THEY"VE BEEN WATCHING THEM.

The TVs are each for all the stations. THey watch the stations. And now they're watching them from another place. But where are they?

This means there's no one in the other stations. because there's no one on the other TVs.

WTF A PRINTER

[NormanFrancisBates]

hooo boy!

[southy]

another one

[SizZiCk]

oooh another piece of the film

[LoonyLuna]

another film. oh goody

[Arya]

Not

[Shellz]

omg theres stuff in there!!! TV??? ::gasp::: they were watchin them!!! omg! another computer!!! that probably who typed to micheal... ::gasp:: orientation video.. this is great!!!!

[stilllost]

haha @ the music of orientation

[LoonyLuna]

poor locke

[Arya]

PHYCHOLOGICAL EXPERIMENT??

[NormanFrancisBates]

"you as the observer don't need to know"... agh! that's tptb talking right to us!

[Arya]

OMB pressing the button! It's unimportant!

[stilllost]

namaste dr nick!

haha would u like to watch that again?

[Shellz]

Dr Candle u clever clever man u!!

[carl333]

if they could only shrink themseleves into 1 of them tubes

[equinox]

"Would you like to watch that again?" Haha.

[solat]

namaste!

[Arya]

We're finally getting answers!

[radiohead]

aw man. throw a grenade up the tube. jack bauer style

[Mysterious Mike]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW WWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWO OOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW

[LoonyLuna]

what did the accepted and numbers on the print out mean?

[I DO WHEELIES]

:Headbang: a new tape...a new tape... sweet :Headbang:

[radiohead]

i think those were entry times and entry #

[Mysterious Mike]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWO OOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW

[Arya]

This is so weird. It's all an experiment. But...why?

[synthmasterj]

AWESOME!

[Verite Garde]

Finally! Some confirmation on it being an experiment. The castaways are a team?

[jeever79]

did the guy in the video give a different name than in the previous orientation video? what did he say about a ferry?

[dolce55]

dammit! my mom called me during the viewing of the tape! what was discovered from the tape?

[solat]

so now locke can see if fenry actually imput the numbers.

not that it matters, apparently.

[ObsessionConfession]

Did the Doctor on the tape introduce himself with a different name this time???

[Shellz]

i think there has to be a missing part or erased part of the video it sounded a bit funny

[Mysterious Mike]

dammit! my mom called me during the viewing of the tape! what was discovered from the tape?



DOH

[solat]

i didn't notice him giving a name.

[time is a river]

so Michael is on the tape killing Ana Lucia and Libby!

[solat]

here it is!

[waltisgood]

Originally he said his name was marvin candle, now its mark white or something

[I DO WHEELIES]

yes, i would like to see that again.

[Mysterious Mike]

Hanso Commercial

[myhappycakeoven]

Doctor Wickman, eh?

What a crazy episode...head for the ferry?

[Sweet Doo]

hanso foundation commmercial

[synthmasterj]

sublyminal.com!

[NormanFrancisBates]

did the guy in the video give a different name than in the previous orientation video? what did he say about a ferry?

yeah, the name was different, but I can't remember what it was. the film seems to me to have been made later than the originals, considering it was 1980s-era VHS as opposed to 8mm.

[LoonyLuna]

HANSO COMMERCIAL!!!!!

[Merrick]

Hanso commercial.. www.sublymonal.com

[radiohead]

He said something about the APOLLO ferry taking them to a ?barracks?

Most importantly they can see if Michael killed AL and shot Libby

oh shit here is the commercial.

go to sublymonal.com kinda old tho

[Arya]

Another Hanso commerical! www.sublyminal.com?

[carl333]

been there.hehehe!!

[KhariZZmatiK]

Wow, this is just.... wow....

I wish the pearl would have recorders or VCRs or TIVO (lol) so maybe it could've recordered what was going on in the hatch when Michael shot the girls. But seeing as how they have people there taking notes im guessing not.


OMG theres the hanso commerical with a URL!!!

[pandahugger]

www.sublymonal.com

Is this a new one???

[LoonyLuna]

omg you're right! it's on the tape! how much do u wanan bet they never see it

[Shellz]

ugh im gonna have to rewind it on the next commercial break

[JohnO3535]

NEVER ANSWER THE PHONE DURING LOST. It is just someone doing an experiment to see if you will answer.

[SizZiCk]

so it probably wasnt walt typing to michael because they could see michael at the computer

HANSO COMMERCIAL!

[solat]

did anyone get the spelling of that webaddress?

i'm a terrible speller.

[Verite Garde]

So it looks like the experiment long ago has been abandoned (damn. I just heard another hanso commercial in the other room).

[donldson]

Anyone notice what the tube pod with the notebook looked like?

[vegasidol]

sublymnal.com????

What was it???

[jaysmusicman]

Yay the commercial finally 6 mins left, think the traffic is gonna be arriving soon ! just want to say ! THIS EPISODE rocks! and wish it was next week already!

[SawyersIslandGurl]

OMG! I love this show.I just got through watching the new episode "?".It was so good and I felt that they revealed alot more in this episode then they have in one episode all season.If you have seen it yet please give me feedback on what you thought about the show.I don't want to say to much because I 'am afraid I will ruin for some who haven't gotten to see it yet.But if you have seen I wanna know what you thought about it.:Headbang: :ImLost:

[equinox]

Mark Whitman ? And he moved both arms.

[Verite Garde]

so Michael is on the tape killing Ana Lucia and Libby!

Right. Good catch.

[Shellz]

i didnt see the commercial!!!

[myhappycakeoven]

rats...in a maze....with no cheese

[Pasha]

We're finally getting answers!

I see only more and bigger Q's ...:)

[Arya]

Eko is messed up, methinks.

[TheLostBoys815]

sob story locke....get over it

[Arya]

Libby!

[Shellz]

WTF??!!

[equinox]

I don't understand Eko's reasoning about the button.

[KhariZZmatiK]

We dont know anything was actually recordered on hard copy...

I like the name of the web address for hanso this week.... sublymonal.... very close to subliminal ;)

[solat]

locke is not impressed.

[Arya]

He's way way way too religious. But I don't think he's right. Too easy, and predestination is annoying.

[Arya]

Come on, Libby...you can make it...

[Shellz]

i dont understand... candle implied that there was no need to do the task which we asume is push the button so why would eko insist?

[NormanFrancisBates]

c'mon libby! wake up and tell 'em the truth! I can't wait another week!

[LoonyLuna]

if hurley dies im gonna scream

[Arya]

if hurley dies im gonna scream

Why would Hurley die?

Um...she's just asleep...right?

[Shellz]

Dont cry HUrley!!! awwww omg ::tear::

[stilllost]

confession time!

edit - nooooooooooooooo!

[TheLostBoys815]

Say it Libby Say it!

[carl333]

she said Michael!! YAAAAA!!!!

[Arya]

No...if she dies just when...no! NO!!!!!

[Shellz]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! SHE NEEDED TO SAY HE DID IT!!!! DAMN!!

[equinox]

Libby dying only having the time to saying "Michael". How unoriginal. Disappointing ending.

[NormanFrancisBates]

ahhhh! bad timing! the bastard's gonna run scot free and kill em all!

[LoonyLuna]

hm whats she cryin about

[Shellz]

THATS IT???!!!! DAMN THESE PPLE!!!!

[synthmasterj]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!

[LoonyLuna]

oh man waht do u think theyre looking at??

[stilllost]

oh snape killed dumbledore!!

[Arya]

MICAHEL YOU JERK.

He's an other, isn't he?

DUDE!!! The old beaded dude. Who is that woman? Do they find the Others? And what's with the OMB?

WHAT? EPISODES FREE ON ABC??

[solat]

hey! free episodes on abc.com

that's tight.

[carl333]

scumbag Michael. episodes of Lost free on ABC.com ?

[synthmasterj]

ZEKE!

[Verite Garde]

What do you think they saw at the end of the previews? A lost city?

LOL. Bearded guy looked more like Moses than anybody.

[jaysmusicman]

Noooooo LIbbbbbyyy Dead :((((( this sucks! throw rocks at mikey!

[KhariZZmatiK]

Wow that just made me cry, i'm very sad. GREAT episode! Next week looks even better...