How they crashed the plane (WMT)

[HugoGrim]

I do believe that Hanso/Dharma had a hand in getting these people all on the same flight, and I also believe they had some level of control through one means or another on who would live and who would die in the crash.

Now we come to the author of Bad Twin. There is a video of an interview with the author (who will have his own flashback episode next season) in which he talks at length about how his books slam the Hanso Foundation, and how Alvar Hanso has gone to great length to silence him and his works. Quite a coincidence then that this man dies in the same crash on an island where the Hanso Foundation is preforming research.

I feel that with a combination of mathematical forecasting and remote viewing (both projects discussed as being studied by the Hanso Foundation on the Hanso website) they were able to not only get these people on the same flight, but to seat them according to who they wanted to live and die. Their test subjects lived, their enemies died.

Now let's take it even a step further... I feel both revolations they promised us will be connected, they are what happens when the numbers are not entered, and why the plane crashed. I would say it's possible that when the numbers are not entered it initiates the magnets to draw in another vesesl, be it plane or boat, balloon, ect. Kind of a kill switch, when those in the hatch die, stop doing the work, it brings in more people.

So to take it even further I'd have to predict that when the button is not pushed we will have another crash of some sort, prob bringing in new people toward the end of the episode.

[Zeek]

It better not be a magnet. A magnet that powerful would have probably killed everyone on board in no time. First off, the plane would have crashed with such force the thing would be a pancake. Second, all the metal on people and in their luggage would have been ripped off and potentially ripped straight through people. Heck paper clips in an MRI room can be deadly. There was probably tons of pieces of metal throughout that plane.

Also I hope that stupid book doesn't play too big a part in Lost. It's such a lame marketing scheme. A flashback for a dead guy? Seriously?

[HugoGrim]

It better not be a magnet. A magnet that powerful would have probably killed everyone on board in no time. First off, the plane would have crashed with such force the thing would be a pancake. Second, all the metal on people and in their luggage would have been ripped off and potentially ripped straight through people. Heck paper clips in an MRI room can be deadly. There was probably tons of pieces of metal throughout that plane.

Also I hope that stupid book doesn't play too big a part in Lost. It's such a lame marketing scheme. A flashback for a dead guy? Seriously?

Let me further explain. I am not saying that the magnet pulled the plane down, I am saying that the magnet was used to disable the plane's flight/navigation systems, both bringing it off course toward the island and then causing crucial systems to fail leading to it's ultimate crash.

[Rick James]

No offense, but thats kind of weak. I have said before that the plane crash is going to end up being either totall random... or completely controlled. As in, the plane didn't crash at all. How did jack live? why did everybody black out? Why hasn't kate told anybody why the plane crashed she was awake for the whole thing remember? She said so herself. I bet she will tell everybody what happened. I bet she is connected to the island in a loose way. (her dad maybe?)

[HugoGrim]

No offense, but thats kind of weak. I have said before that the plane crash is going to end up being either totall random... or completely controlled. As in, the plane didn't crash at all. How did jack live? why did everybody black out? Why hasn't kate told anybody why the plane crashed she was awake for the whole thing remember? She said so herself. I bet she will tell everybody what happened. I bet she is connected to the island in a loose way. (her dad maybe?)

Hasn't someone with the show already confirmed that the plane crash was real? I could be wrong.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

KATE:

"i knew that the tail was gone, but I couldn't bring myself to look back."

as we see in the internal plane flashback...

Not really convincing me that Kate is keeping this secret...

Hasn't someone with the show already confirmed that the plane crash was real? I could be wrong.

The PTBT have always talked about the crash as if it were real. Besides, we see flashbacks from the pilot. Like in Michaels ep, they will probably be fused together with the new, more revealing images. So i think it's safe to say there was indeed a real plane crash.

[Phirun]

This is a bit outthere, :crazy: but....


What if they used a railgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_gun)?

A railgun would not cause an explosion yet would be capable of ripping a plane in two. It would also make some sense,seeing as Alvar Hanso was a weapons dealer who apparently had an intrest in expeirmental technology.

[killbuckner]

I think that the smokey phenomenon is caused because the meteorite on the island can precisely manipulate magnetic fields over a certain distance- so once something comes within the islands little sphere of influence the island could both tear apart the airplane and maneuver the pieces with the survivors down gently enough that they will survive.

[lacenaire]

I will keep saying it in any thread that discusses the matter.

The fuselagers crash. We never saw the crash. Jack just wakes up in the jungle with freezing cold bottles in his pocket.

The tailies crash. We see the tail crash into the sea like a cork in a bathtub. Then the montage trick: fade to black. Cut. And after that we see the talies in the sea a couple hundred yards away from the tail.

Those elipsis caused by the choice of focalization in the show require another completive analepsis (aka flashback) to determine what really happened during the time of the story that was omitted in the discourse of the narrative.

If it's the case that Kate didn't tell what she remembers and it wasn't shown to us in her flashback then that's what Genette called a paralipsis, which is an omission made conciously by the narrator to hide information from the reader. It happens in SF and mystery books to provide the twist.

It happened for example on the 2nd season finale of Veronica Mars this year when suddenly a revelation about a character changed the interpretation of everything that had happened during the season.

[HugoGrim]

This is a bit outthere, :crazy: but....


What if they used a railgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_gun)?

A railgun would not cause an explosion yet would be capable of ripping a plane in two. It would also make some sense,seeing as Alvar Hanso was a weapons dealer who apparently had an intrest in expeirmental technology.

Which part exactly is "out there"?

[Rick James]

What if?????? by the time they rip apart the plane is already really low in altitude making surviving a possibility? perhaps the pilots were trying to maneuver under low visibility or something?

[ILoveEko]

Not to threadjack or anything, but I just needed to quickly say how much your av amuses me, Rick james. :p:D

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[HugoGrim]

I just think it's way too convient that Gary Troup died on the flight and the others that we know they wanted: Walt, Claire, ect lived.

[~G~]

Desmond was there pushing the button, though. From what I am understanding of your theory, the lack of button pushing population creates a phenomenon to atract more button pushers. But, there wasn't a lack of button pushers to create the phenomenon. Am I reading you right?

[HugoGrim]

Desmond was there pushing the button, though. From what I am understanding of your theory, the lack of button pushing population creates a phenomenon to atract more button pushers. But, there wasn't a lack of button pushers to create the phenomenon. Am I reading you right?

Yeah, you're understanding correct, but how do we know Desmond did not fail to push the button? He seemed extreemly hell bent on pushing it, so much so that it makes me wonder what could have possibly made him so set on it. My thought is that either "Kelvin" showed him that the button not being pushed brought Desmond to the island, or Desmond failed to push it and the crash of flight 815 resulted, and he was aware of this.

Either way if I'm correct or partially correct we should find out this week.

[~G~]

I see...so Desmond was sick of it, knew a way to get a replacement...tricky devil if your right...

[HugoGrim]

I see...so Desmond was sick of it, knew a way to get a replacement...tricky devil if your right...

Not sure he did it on purpose, but yeah.

[yung23]

Hi mazers, i hope you dont mind me dropping by, this conversation is great.


the way it attracts people is tied into how it lets them into this universe as well...


the numbers stop smokie from forming as usual, instead it forms a superfluidic vortice and from this it opens the portals..

put this into the numbers seemingly "calling out" effect, the same ideas i see here now,
and we have a huge repopulating island, when the button pusher dies, it brings in more.


but its not so simple

it was different before the incident.
this is the back up plan.

the button pushing is meant to contain this entropy created from the fermionic field, which I am pretty sure exists.

a fermionic fields quanta are fermions, and fermions are electrons. and electrons plasma...


hanso was trying to tap into the leylines using this fermionic field
but it all blew up in his face, smokie was created when apollo awoke. and he instantly shut them both in.

the button pushing keeps this mess in its own space, but its not 6-D space anymore, its only 5-d, (hence the new numbers (our numbers) and the five point star as seen in the blastdoor map)

they dont reach the full 6-D space anymore, that was where apollo awoke..

its too much freedom, so now he exists in this 5-D space..

and smokie is part of him. like a larvae not yet used to this new world.


if the button pushing does stop completely, the entropy will consume the space, then our world and universe..

the end.

[roswellian]

dont push the button. the island becomes a swirling vortex for French science teams and Oceanic airplanes.

[yung23]

yep

a fermionic condensate.

a superfluid in a vacuum.

[*Saint*]

Yung, I love your posts, but honestly, would the average viewer understand that??? I don't think TPTB would alienate their average viewer by defining something in such excellerated terms...

[HugoGrim]

You'll have a hard time convincing me anything on this show involves portals.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

Nice prediction Hugo