+ There is no flight [Archive]

kadeskiss

03-31-05, 03:54 AM

...815??

What did he say? I thought I heard something from the radio transmission right before boone and the plane go down.Sounds like the last words Boone heard before taking his plunge were "There is no flight 815??" or "there is no SURVIVORS" of flight 815.

I didn't tape the episode, so did anyone else catch what was said to Boone, before the plane fell from the tree?

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rr2418

03-31-05, 03:56 AM

Come to think of it, I did hear something of the sort. It seemed like they did say there was no flight 815.

kadeskiss

03-31-05, 04:30 AM

i think that the message that Boone recieve...but what do it mean? could it mean that there never was a flight 815? or that no one survive flight 815. I really need to see it again, because i wasn't sure. but I feel that the message Boone recieve, was very important, that is why it had to be him, instead of Locke who climb up there. Did you notice how Locke was able to walk "After" Boone was hurt, but couldn't walk before it. Locke might be need for something else..but Boone needed to get that message....I wonder will he tell the others?

t0xicity3k

03-31-05, 04:34 AM

I DVR'd it, and went back and turned the closed captioning on, and the guy replied "There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815."

LoStMyMiNd

03-31-05, 04:43 AM

OMG, this getting sooooo intriguing. Thanks for playing that back.

RunLoganRun

03-31-05, 04:46 AM

kadeskiss

03-31-05, 05:40 AM

There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815."

..that raise even more question, ...Like How would they know that, unless all the bodies had been retrieve and accounted for?

In Locke's dream, he foresaw a bloody Boone - but, never mentioned that part to Boone - he only mentioned the words that Boone was saying. So, Boone climbs up to the plane, like the idiot that he is, never thinking about getting hurt. Evidently, this sequence of events was predetermined by the island entity - the temporary loss of leg use included as well.

..Boone climb up the plane without thinking about getting hurt , just like "Theresa ", who went up and down the stairs. it seem that it had to be Boone. In Locke's dream he saw himself in a wheel chair, and Boone all hurt and bloody...it was like it was telling him to make a choice. After Boone was hurt and recieve the message, Locke was able to walk , ( he actually could run, did you notice how fast he left? again. but I also notice that Boone throw down to Locke heroin hidden in virgin mary statue. Locke help Charlie to kick his heroin habit, now there is a lot of heroin around, what would become of Charlie? and it weird that it was inside of a statue of the virgin Mary, since Locke mom told him that he was a "immaculate conception"..do anyone else see the irony in that?

Hourman

03-31-05, 07:09 AM

Iorhael94

03-31-05, 08:11 AM

I DVR'd it, and went back and turned the closed captioning on, and the guy replied "There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815."

Thanks for this! I heard it too and played it back but could only hear "...Flight 815."

My initial thought about the response about no survivors was that for whatever reason the person responding is in the future or time moves slower on the island. I think it would be to soon for the Navy or whoever to declare everyone assumed dead.

Interesting theory! I just figured that it was assumed that no one had survived.

gravelpup

03-31-05, 01:22 PM

I couldn't make out the words before "survivors of Flight 815", and I replayed it at least 5 times.

One possibility I thought of was "We're the survivors of Flight 815."

shop4bub

03-31-05, 01:38 PM

Makes everyone think huh? Maybe there really weren't. Also, Next week Claire has her baby and someone dies. Wouldn't be like the writers to have boone live and Claire die during or after the birth.

kadeskiss

03-31-05, 01:48 PM

Wouldn't be like the writers to have boone live and Claire die during or after the birth.

The island would give you what ever you want, ..but you have to give something back. so i can see that happening:(

I thought about that because that is what Locke said to charlie, when he asked charlie is he wanted him guitar back. Charlie in term gave Locke the drugs,...well do anyone think it's kinda of ironic, that heroin, the same drug that charlie gave to Locke, would be inside the virgin mary statue? virgin mary- a symbolic of Locke's mother" Immaculate Conception"

Kimber and Bunny

03-31-05, 02:23 PM

My initial thought about the response about no survivors was that for whatever reason the person responding is in the future or time moves slower on the island. I think it would be to soon for the Navy or whoever to declare everyone assumed dead.

They have been there over a month now. How long does it usually take?

There was that crash in the mountains recently where the emergency crews got there, took one look at the wreckage and immediately decided/announced there could be no survivors, but there WERE.

Cold the Winter

03-31-05, 02:24 PM

it's not too long for the navy to declare everyone dead.

Boone and locke have been digging at the hatch for two weeks...so you're looking at the survivors being on the island for around a month. In the pilot, it says they deviated from the course...so if the navy were searching in the water, it's not likely that anyone would survive for the period of time they have been on the island.

And I thought the birth and death were supposed to happen during the season finale. Next week is not the season finale. Then again, I could have read that wrong.

Plus, unless the IM interview in General Discussion was purposely misleading, we already know who dies.

Gambit980

03-31-05, 02:38 PM

Have you all thought about the other radio signal on the island. Couldn't the people controlling that message reply to Boone's call on the radio they control. They have been on the island for a while. When someone is on the other end of a call and they say they are a survivor, the reply would not be, there were no survivors.
September 11 happened 4 years ago but if I am manning a radio and someone says I am a survivor from the plane that crashed, I wouldn't say there were no survivors. That's like telling that person there dead. You don't exist. It's not a like a telephone, with people prank calling or something.

russman588

03-31-05, 02:47 PM

In Locke's dream, he foresaw a bloody Boone - but, never mentioned that part to Boone - he only mentioned the words that Boone was saying. So, Boone climbs up to the plane, like the idiot that he is, never thinking about getting hurt. Evidently, this sequence of events was predetermined by the island entity - the temporary loss of leg use included as well.

The one thing in the dream that hasn't been explained was the presence of Locke's mother. I wonder if that has any signifigance? Could it have been predicting the virgin Mary statues? Or could Locke's mother be on the island?

Gambit980

03-31-05, 02:52 PM

I don't think she is anymore on the island than jacks dad. It looks like the island uses parents or the image of parents to guide the person to a goal or need. Jack dad led him to the cave. Locke's mom lead him to the plane.

Mellis12

03-31-05, 02:55 PM

I just don't buy that Boone was talking to someone else on the mainland or on a ship or something. It's just too easy. I think it was the island, or something on the island repsonding to his distress call.

Doninsocal

03-31-05, 05:48 PM

That begs the question:

What would the range be on an old radio like the one boone used?

DS

HotBlack Deisato

03-31-05, 06:12 PM

Depends upon a lot of things, but mainly, the altitude of the transponder (sending unit) and the altitude of the reciever. If the reciever is in an aircraft at some appreciable altitude, it can be up to several hundreds of miles. If the reciever (in the case of what was shown on the show) is on board, say, a ship, then approximately 16-24 miles, depending on the height of the antenna mast on the ship. This is all because of the curvature of the earth - the higher you are, the farther your signal goes.

HotBlack Deisato

03-31-05, 06:16 PM

One other consideration - let's say that, by some chance, someone found the tail assembl from 815, or some debris from it. The place where the fuselage itself, and the place where the tail came off of 815 are quite some distance apart.

shroomie76

03-31-05, 06:22 PM

I think this has been stated before, but what if all of the survivors are stuck in purgatory? They all need to deal with their demons & issues before being able to move on. Perhaps that is why it was Boone to hear the message. He seems to be the only one without a ton of problems. Maybe Boone dies because he is finally able to accept the truth - that they are all dead. And maybe Locke is some type of soul guide for the whole group, but it still dealing with his own problems. Just a thought.

Jimmy Dean

03-31-05, 06:34 PM

The bloody Boone was the island telling locke what he had to do to get closer to opening the hatch which is basically sacrifice Boone.

At the end, after he brought Boone back to camp, he went back to the hatch and said, "I did what you wanted!" Then the light turned on.

I see the dream like this; We all know the island talks to him. We all think the island is connected to him somehow. His dream told him he would be back in his wheelchair which is what is happening. Bloody Boone is the island telling Locke to sacrifice him. The mom is a little harder, but what do you think about this. The mom led Locke to his father. His mom then led him to the plane. She is kind of a guardian angle, but with a somewhat sinister agenda.

russman588

03-31-05, 06:43 PM

The mom led Locke to his father. His mom then led him to the plane. She is kind of a guardian angle, but with a somewhat sinister agenda.

I wouldn't call her a guardian angel, twice she led him to despair. First she led him to his dad who took his kidney and then left him alone. Then she led him to the plane which had nothing more than heroin and a dead co-pilot. AND it led to Boone being injured. I think the mother's significance in the dream is foreshadowing what would be in the plane, small statues of the Virgin Mary. If you recall, Locke's mother claimed he was immaculately conceived when she was pretending to be mentally unstable.

Tanner

03-31-05, 08:05 PM

I only saw it once, as I don't have the capability to record it, but I thought they said "We're also survivors of flight 815" but I think that the closed captioning guy is probably right.

Wynter Zera

03-31-05, 09:15 PM

Sounds like the "others" may have the tail section survivors....

theghostofwalt

03-31-05, 10:21 PM

the "conversation" on the radio was really strange.

(paraphrasing) boone says "this is/we are the survivors of oceania flight 815".

the reply is almost immediate, "there were no survivors of flight 815".

thats what stood out to me. it was immediate. so you have to assume they knew right away about the flight.

its reasonable to assume that it has been declared there were no survivors- no problem there.

now- assume that the person who picks up the transmission knew immediatly about the flight (just a little bit of a stretch for me)...

the big problem is- what kind of response is that?

assume you are the radio guy, you know for a fact that there were no known survivors, you just happened to hear the distress call...

and you tell them there were no survivors!?!

wouldnt you say, "what?", "repeat that please?", ANYTHING else?

its so unusual. its like saying "nah, youre a liar- youre supposed to be dead..."

i dont know if boone imagined the whole thing, if its the others, or the island, i dont know- but there is no logic in the reply- AT ALL.

sylosa

03-31-05, 10:58 PM

ok.. Heard it like 200 times, and I can swear that the guy says Boone, there were no survivors...

I know someone read the closed caption. But still. Something that sounds a LOT like Boone is said before the "there were no..."

Can someone else check it?

I mean, how strange is it if the guy says boone?

imamiamigurl

04-01-05, 01:09 AM

shopbub - please be careful about posting spoilers!!!! Use spoiler tags!

GroundZero

04-01-05, 08:07 AM

In reply to Sylosa's comment, I TiVo-ed it. And I ran it back and there is definitely something said right before the line everyone is talking about. I think it could be anything, but TiVo's closed captioned says 'We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.'

Then take a look at Boone's face right before the plane comes out of the trees. I watched it like nine-hundred times and it was the same thing 'We're the survivers...' There isn't enough time for the person to say 'There were no survivors...' And, if you listened, the person sounds vaguely like Boone to begin with.

Boone talking to Boone? How?

kadeskiss

04-01-05, 08:11 AM

shopbub - please be careful about posting spoilers!!!! Use spoiler tags!

what spoiler?! where? I didn't read a spoiler?

prbt

04-01-05, 08:13 AM

I must be going mad, I can't hear the word 'survivor' in the message at all. I've used some software to pull out the phrase and make it louder, and it sounds to me like "There wasn't anybody in Flight 815!" - in, not on.

jprez98

04-01-05, 10:23 AM

TiVo's closed captioned says 'We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.'
But closed-captioning has been known to get things wrong from time to time. They have people who sit there and type what they hear. Charlie called someone a name in one of the episodes and the captioning was some different word (I don't remember it now, but it's written in a TWOP recap). They didn't know it because it was a British word. If they can't hear something real well, they may just type what they hear. They don't go by the script.

BTW: Most of us don't believe in purgatory here. In fact, Damon Linedolof, co-creator, actually said that it's NOT purgatory. (See interview in General Discussion)

Oswald

04-01-05, 11:06 AM

'We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.'

I think for a couple of reasons this is the most logical answer:

We already know it is tough to broadcast radio signal off the island. Danielle was using a tower for a distress call that wasn't picked up for 16 years, and counting.

Boone received a quick reply from someone who was familiar with Oceanic Flight 815 a month after the crash.

The response was in English

If there are other survivors of 815 on the island and they by some means have a radio, they have probably been sitting by it for a month without any luck. Boone's message comes across and they jump on mic and give their own distress call of "We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815", or they reply to Boone with "No, we're the survivors of Flight 815"

Either that or it was some kind of echo of Boone. I find it hard to believe that anyone who recognized flight 815 so quickly a month after the crash would be so quick to dismiss a potential distress call from one of it's apparent survivors, it is not like it is unheard of for a plane/ship to go missing and assumed dead only to turn up later.

teaspoons

04-01-05, 11:21 AM

I definitely think the response came somewhere from on the island. This way whoever does not want them to leave can be assured that any hope of being rescued has been dashed by letting them know that no one is looking for them anymore. Hope is a very important thing to a person's psyche and without hope you have nothing to lose.

Jaded

04-01-05, 11:49 AM

No, absolutely no purgatory.
The plane crashed 4 weeks ago, people would quickly assume that the reason that however much of the plane hasn't been found is that it has sunk to the bottom of the ocean.
Four weeks of no respons from the plane, everybody would assume they are dead, or, dead until proved otherwise. It would be interesting, however, to see how long it takes for life insurance to be given out without proof of death. Which, on a tangent, how long would it take until an assumed dead person would have all their stuff taken by famiy members, etc.
Back to topic. I haven't seen this episode, but either the responder was in the Australian navy/coast guard, or, was some sort of communicator type person in Fiji. What was the accent. And remember that radio waves travel at the speed of light, now considering that a naval vessel would have people scannign stations with good technology, a quick response seems feasible, and any responder would assume that people claiming to be survivors are probably just out for some fun.

joepa15425

04-01-05, 12:32 PM

The navy would hesitate to call off any search until the plane is found, they wouldn't just say the plane is missing for 30 days we give up, they are dead case closed. They would do this if they found pieces of the wreckage and a closer search reveals not survivors or the possibility of survival. It's possible that some government knows where the plane crashed but because of some secret/classified reason they won't go there to look and just put out a story saying the plane was found at the bottom of the ocean and there were no survivors, but I doubt that, here's why.

we know theres a transmission tower, and we know that there are others on the island, why couldn't the transmission Boone heard be coming from somebody on the island who wants the survivors to either A) think nobody is coming so they better try to get off the island themselves, or B) Think nobody is coming so stay on the island get used to it, you are going to be here a long time. Or C) open the hatch it's your only way out, but that could open pandora's box.
Either one works for me. Danielle's behavior with her own crew leads me to believe she has a Ridley from Alien type mentality, you know never under any cost let the alien escape to earth. Danielle seems to feel this way about the sickness.
On the other hand, characters like Ethan or Alex or whoever the others are may want to spread the sickness. They would want the survivors to try to escape on their own.

In other words, who's to say the transmission didn't come from the island. It makes more sense that it did, the battery would have to be weak after all those years, the signal even weaker being in the jungle, and if the island is that isolated, it's doubtful a passing ship would hear them.
Another thing odd is that if it were planes looking for them the person talking to Boone wouldn't have said they are all dead, he would have said, where are you, we are looking for you. Unless of course, they are all dead and their bodies all accounted for. But of course that can't be true because as you all like to point out, the writers said so, but if it were then I guess that would mean that our survivors are in purgatory (retching at the mere mention).

Wynter Zera

04-01-05, 05:35 PM

We know the others have control of the radio tower. I think Boone may have contacted them. If they have a tower, they have some kind of radio equipment.

LoStMyMiNd

04-01-05, 06:46 PM

Does anyone think the writers would tell us truthfully if our theory was correct? I mean come on.....of course they're not going to give away a thing. So it could be anything, including the dreaded purgatory.

I wish I would have taped the last episode, I find this fascinating about the voice on the radio

LoStMyMiNd

04-01-05, 06:59 PM

Why does everyone seem to think that it is the island that is causing visions and other weirdnesses? Is it because Locke says the island is causing them? I just think it is the person that is causing things, not the island.

kadeskiss

04-01-05, 09:44 PM

i dont know if boone imagined the whole thing, if its the others, or the island, i dont know- but there is no logic in the reply- AT ALL. If it was other survivors they would have ask where Boone was located. if it was someone else, they would have been more surprise that there were survivors.

Why does everyone seem to think that it is the island that is causing visions and other weirdnesses? Is it because Locke says the island is causing them? I just think it is the person that is causing things, not the island.

I do not think it's just because of Locke....it everything! Charlie being chase by an unseen monster. what happen to the pilot, Jack seeing his dad, the mosnster shaking the trees...all that is weird..it might be the island..or it very well could be a person...but right not we have no reason to think that one person is behind all of that, so for now people think it's the island, until otherwise noted.

I must be going mad, I can't hear the word 'survivor' in the message at all. I've used some software to pull out the phrase and make it louder, and it sounds to me like "There wasn't anybody in Flight 815!" - in, not on.

I heard something similar, I heard " there wasn't any flight 815"

Like there never was a flight "815". which would make sense, for the response to be immediate, if there never was a flight 815. ( assumeing they would have a flight rosters, handy)

..also did anyone else notice that Locke's mother's case number was also "815"?

when the transcript comes out than we will know.

jcrew1179

04-02-05, 12:03 AM

I think Boone will die.

Jaded

04-02-05, 12:32 AM

Um, they have a voice recording of it on general discussion, and it seems like they say "we're the survivors of oceanic 815".
Second, JJ already dismised the purgatory theory and its all in somebody's dream theory becausse they would be to disapointing to the public.
If it is we're, then it must be the tail section on another island.
Maybe its like the other island is bizaro lost, and bizaro sayid (an american ham radio enthusiast, answered)

imamiamigurl

04-02-05, 01:44 AM

This was the **SPOILER**I was referring to: I do not know how to use spoiler tags and here I am telling someone to use them! Oh well. I put the spoiler in green font. You will have to highlight it. I did not know this was going to happen.

SPOILER: (I think it is) ( I didnt watch the previews for next week)
shop4bub

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Makes everyone think huh? Maybe there really weren't. Also, Next week Claire has her baby and someone dies. Wouldn't be like the writers to have boone live and Claire die during or after the birth.

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Coyote1066

04-02-05, 02:58 AM

As jaded mentioned there is a thread on the General Board everyone should check out. There is a link to an audio file. Go here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMess age?topicID=2322.topic).

azteclady

04-02-05, 04:19 AM

Still both hopeful and helpful, Coyote?

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drabauer

04-02-05, 06:01 AM

It is my belief that the man who responded to Boone's transmission is from the missing TAIL of the plane.

Bernard lives!

sexy baby mama

04-02-05, 06:16 AM

I'm hoping that it is other survivors from the same flight. That would be very interesting. And if Boone dies, especially, because now WE know that there are other survivors, but the castaways don't know that yet. And if the other survivors come looking for them, our castaways may think they are part of "the others" and not trust them.

But I also see an opening in this scenario for the possibility that the voice on the radio was in fact, Boone, and that he was answering the radio transmission from another reality in space and/or time. I am not very scientific, but there has been a theory that our survivors may not be on the earth as we know it, and they may have gone into a different time or space continuum. I thought the voice on the radio sounded vaguely like Boone, but then again, I suppose it could have been anyone. Although, I think it did sound young, so it may not be Bernard.

I hope we get to find out. And the question is, will Boone tell everyone else about it before he dies (if he dies)? Or will he keep it a secret, even if he lives?

jaystao

04-02-05, 12:32 PM

My thoughts exactly! Time loops and parallel dimensions!...though the survivors of the tail section idea is inspired (they even had a long shot of the tail section of the plane crashing afterword's).

But the title of this episode should have been, "Speculation and red herrings". Because it has material for almost every major theory out there. Basically it has something for everyone. I even think I heard monkeys screeching in the back ground as the tail section crashed!

Just a few questions.

As well as the transmission being obscured what was Locke's mum saying in the back ground of the dream, it sounded slightly of key to what Boone was saying so I presumed it was something else.

I heard the screaming women used in some of the Eire sound effects of lost for the first time watching this episode (along with those screeching monkeys) and it really freaked me out, has anyone else heard it?

LoStMyMiNd

04-04-05, 05:56 AM

I thought it sounded like birds, but wildcats aka cougars sound like screaming women. I did not hear any monkeys :rollin

Maybishudbahippy

04-04-05, 03:04 PM

Jay, where exactly are these sound effects? In the freaky-deaky dream sequence?

Anyway, I really don't have much to throw into the ring, but it definitely sounded like "We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815." I doubt it was the tail section, though, considering they fell out of the sky quite a ways...remember in the Pilot how they were still in the air when the tail section broke off...

kadeskiss

04-04-05, 03:33 PM

I'm hoping that it is other survivors from the same flight. That would be very interesting.

...I hope so too. and it even more interesting if you consider that Rose said that her husband could still be alive.

I hope we get to find out. And the question is, will Boone tell everyone else about it before he dies (if he dies)? Or will he keep it a secret, even if he lives?

..that is the big question! I do not think he would get a chance to tell them everything ,and they might be the reason they go off to find Locke. Locke didn't tell them how Boone was actually hurt, or anything. I wonder why Locke didn't tell them about the plane? or what they found. I also wonder when the herion will come into play, since Charlie use to be a drug addict, and gave up his habit because he would have had to anyway( yes, I know Locke help him kick the habit, but the main reason was he would have had to anyway. he would not have had a choice) and now that Boone might die, and there are plenty of drug around, I would not be suprise if Locke somehow uses the drugs to control Charlie and get Charlie to replace Boone.

east928

04-04-05, 03:34 PM

sexy baby mama

04-04-05, 03:50 PM

Boone can not be hearing himself (in a time warp thing), because the wording is different..Boone says, "We're the survivors of OCEANIC flight 815" but the repsonse does not use the word OCEANIC...therefor, we can eliminate any chance of Boone hearing himself in the present or whatever time tense you want...or an echo...

East - I was not referring to Boone hearing an echo of himself. I was referring to the idea that the person on the radio was Boone, in a different time/space reality. In other words, Boone in the other reality does not have to say "oceanic" in the transmission - he can say something else. Boone in our reality can say one thing, Boone in another reality answers him. It is not an echo, but only communication between two different situations in different time periods. Does this make sense?

I'm open to other possibilities, however. Time loops, parallel dimensions, quantam physics - all of these COULD be part of the answer. But, then again, they could NOT be part of the answer. It's fun to try to find different explanations. Of course, the idea that there are other survivors of the plane crash, in the SAME time reality, is appealing too!

Coyote1066

04-04-05, 04:03 PM

Still both hopeful and helpful, Coyote?

Yes AZ, I try to be. :)

Sledgeweb

04-04-05, 04:07 PM

I think it most likely says "There we're no survivors on Flight 815". This makes real world logical sense, in that someone heard the transmission that was familiar with the peril of flight 815. It is probably assumed in the off island world that the plane went down at sea and all on board were lost. So, when the person hears someone saying they are a survivor from flight 815, their first reaction is "but, there weren't any survivors from flight 815". Perhaps he thinks it is a prank, or perhaps it's just a reaciton, stating what he knows to be factual via news reports.

It could possibly say "We're the survivors of Flight 815". Which brings up one reality based answer: that survivors from the tail section of the plane have found a radio and are keeping it at their camp, waiting for a transmission.

Or it could bring up several phenomenon type answers... such as the time warp, multiple dimensions, etc.

However, I don't think it can say "There is no Flight 815", because that doesn't make sense. Suppose someone called you on the phone and said, "I'm on flight 212". Now, you wouldn't have any clue about any flight 212. You couldn't say, "Flight 212 doesn't exists". The only reason we are generally aware of flight numbers, is when they crash. There is no reason the responder would say "there is no flight 815" because there is no reason to assume anyone would have knowledge of the flight unless it was involved in a crash, in which case, there obviously was a flight 815.

HortenseHysteria

04-04-05, 04:13 PM

Is it at all possible, the person radioing back said "You're the survivors of Oceanic 815???"

That's actually what I heard. More that he was asking in a confused way.

Sledgeweb

04-04-05, 04:22 PM

I'd say that may be possible as well. I mean, it fits in with the known reality of the show.

I really need to listen to it again. Perhaps it is intentionally meant to be ambiguous at this point.

LoStMyMiNd

04-04-05, 04:50 PM

I listened more intently this time and I heard...."we're the survivors of flight 815" thats why I couldn't hear the word "there" because thats not what they said.

Edited to add: Someone had mentioned that the voice said "hello".....the voice did say hello, and as that is an unprofessional thing to say on a radio, perhaps the person on the other end doesn't know radio etiquette. This would make perfect sense if the person on the end is a survivor.

The voice definately said "we're the survivors of flight 815" in a tone of voice as if to say, "you must be kidding, we're the survivors of flight 815"

Maybe Rose's husband is with that group. I am getting chills up my spine now. eeewwwww

Setszuki Charlies Angel

04-04-05, 05:46 PM

I'm pretty darn sure that Boone was in fact communicating with someone off the island - I think he managed to reach military personnel or a coast guard. If you paid attention, you would have noticed that Boone said, "Hello. We're survivors of the crash of Oceanic flight 815, please copy." When someone says "please copy" on a radio, they're looking for confirmation that the person they are communicating with understood what they said. The natural (and professional) reply would be to repeat what you heard. The response was, "Hello. We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815." At that point, the plane fell, and the radio was destroyed. If you listen to the voice, it is relatively monotone - not the tone a person would have if they had just heard something unbelievable - as it would be if the person on the other end was a survivor. You can go up and find Coyote1066's link to the recording (thank's for that, by the way!) if you don't believe me.

LoStMyMiNd

04-04-05, 06:49 PM

Setsuki we have all listened to it. The return voice did not say "Oceanic" so it was not an accurate

Edited to add: The voice clearly said "repeat your transmission"

The tone of the voice when he said "we're the survivors of flight 815" was not a question it was a statement. Sort of a quisical(sp) statement but a statement nontheless. Like the person giving the statement was confused.

filmgott

04-04-05, 09:59 PM

I'm with Josie4 on the whole thing, i just watched that part over and over again, and it's clearly Boone who's on the other end of the line!

Boone: "Hello, hello, anybody out there? Mayday, Mayday"
Locke: "Boone, there's no time! Get out now!"
Voice: "Is someone there?"
Boone: "Hello, Hello!?"
Voice: "What the... ???"
Boone: "Can you hear me?"
Voice: "Repeat the transmission please..."
Boone: "Hello, we're survivors of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815, please copy!"
Voice: "No, WE'RE the survivors of Flight Oceanic 815!"

Just listen to the way the voice says both the "What the?" and the "No...". It's accentuated just in the way Boone speaks!

LoStMyMiNd

04-04-05, 10:34 PM

I do not think the voice, tone or inflection or accent sounds anything like Boone or anyone else who we have heard in this program before. Boone has a more brassy voice, where the voice on the radio was softer and more subdued, almost like Sayid without the accent or maybe even Ethan

east928

04-05-05, 12:00 AM

If what FILMGOT just posted is truly exactly what was said, then this really opens the next phase in the puzzle! Obviously, Rose was right...her husband is probably not dead. O.K....now all we have to do is figure out where the other survivors are. I also feel that the 'other' survivors are a different bunch of people than the 'others' that Rousseau refers too. Perhaps when Michael launches his raft, he'll eventually find them. Now, we don't know for sure if the radio is actually broken (probably it is, but we don't know for sure)...I am not a radio ham, so please someone out there explain to me if the people on the other end can find this radio signal and eventually find the plane. Is this possible? Or do you need fancier equipment? Will Boone disclose what he found? I'm all over this new theory! Rose wouldn't have said she felt her husband was alive (I think she said it twice) if the writers didn't want us to catch that clue. ANYONE?

LoStMyMiNd

04-05-05, 12:39 AM

I think Roses husband is alive and other people are alive based on this exchange. But one thing, the voice on the radio did not say "we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815" as filmgot typed. The voice left out "Oceanic". Could there be another flight 815 but not Oceanic?

Setszuki Charlies Angel

04-05-05, 02:57 AM

Um, I wasn't talking about the part where it said, "Repeat your transmission." I was talking about the part right before the plane fell. I just think that the other radio person was repeating Boone's transmission so that Boone knew that he had understood. I know it wasn't a question - when Boone said it, it was a statement, so when the radio voice repeated it, it would remain a statement. I listened to it again, and the voice does emphasize "we're", but I'm still not convinced that Boone contacted other survivors. Didn't they find all the parts of the plane? Two were on the beach (the front and middle sections), and the end was at the caves where Jack found his father's coffin. That's not to say the other survivors didn't get up and walk away, but you'd think they would have taken some of the supplies from the part of the plane they were in, instead of leaving it there. Plus - our survivors have been wandering all over the island. You'd think the other survivors would be too - they might have met up by now. And Sayid went a long ways down the beach and he didn't see anything (minus the French lady and such). Where would they be? I'm not sure there are that many safe places like the caves on the island - our people got lucky on that one.

SpidermanHouston

04-05-05, 03:19 AM

Also if there were other survivors they would have been smart to start a fire also and the smoke would have been spotted. But who knows, it is a big island. Locke is sometimes 4 miles away from camp and he is not even closse to the other side of the island. 4 miles is a lot of space. If there are other survivors, I wanna see that Spanish kid looking for his comic book.

drabauer

04-05-05, 05:47 AM

If there are other survivors, I wanna see that Spanish kid looking for his comic book.
:rollin

lostinutah 52

04-05-05, 04:01 PM

I believe that the radio message was "We are the survivors of Flight 815". I believe that there are others that survived the crash, they never found the rest of the plane, the black lady was convinced that her husband was still alive, and they have never completely explored all of the island.

zippoblue

04-05-05, 07:03 PM

Ok, I get that sometimes closed captioning gets it wrong, but so far from several sources, DVR, TiVo, etc., they've all said that it said "There were no survivors from Ocean flight 815"

So I can't see how it could be Boone (in his real life off the island, why would he be near a radio), or even the (no one knows for sure) other survivors from the flight.

Personally, I only give weight to the theory of the "others" on the island, or to a group controlling the island.

kadeskiss

04-05-05, 07:57 PM

There were no survivors from Ocean flight 815"

So I can't see how it could be Boone (in his real life off the island, why would he be near a radio), or even the (no one knows for sure) other survivors from the flight.

Personally, I only give weight to the theory of the "others" on the island, or to a group controlling the island.

..so now that take us back to the "they are all dead theory". that everyone hates. although it's the most logical. The only way the guy on the other end would Know that there were no survivors from Ocean flight 815, if all the bodies has been retrieve and accounted for. ...maybe they are all dead , and they do not get to move on , until After" they have had some type of revelation about something major in there life...and their death , reflect how they actually died in the plane crash. Boone realize that his action cause his nanny/maid to get seriouse hurt /died. so one he realize that , and accepted it,. and Boone's death could have happen in a plane crash.

...or once they find out that they are dead...they die?:\

LoStMyMiNd

04-05-05, 09:02 PM

If you read the script it says, "we are the survivors of flight 815", so obviously there are other survivors.

Think outside the box for a second. Where are these other people? If they are speaking on a radio, maybe they are not actually on the island, maybe they are transmitting from somewhere else off the island. Maybe they had been rescued, maybe they crashed somewhere else or on the other side. Someone had mentioned we would see their campfire. Maybe they don't need a campfire, maybe they are inside a structure of some sort and the only campfire they need is one to cook weenies on

Edited to add the link to Spooky's Transcript: www.lost-tv.com/transcrip...a_Lost.htm (http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Deus_ex_Machina_Lost.htm)

Wynter Zera

04-06-05, 08:43 PM

johneboy

04-06-05, 09:31 PM

long time lurker..

I, to, at first thought it said
"There were no survivors of oceanic flight 815"

Then I saw this, and other, threads. I decided to rip out just that part, and listen, over and over and over...

I'm almost 97% certain, almost, that what is said is...

"We're the survivors of oceanic flight 815"

unedited (http://4tex.org/lost/lost.wav)

edited just for transmission (http://4tex.org/lost/lost_clip.wav)

drabauer

04-06-05, 10:07 PM

Johneboy I had some problems with your edit. Here is one that I re-equalized, although its not much better--all the important frequencies overlap with noise:

WeAreTheSurvivors2.mp3 (http://www.swedishpoet.com/WeAreTheSurvivors2.mp3)

Caped Wonder

04-07-05, 02:48 AM

The voice sounded like Sayid. Does anyone remember what Sayid said in the first episodes when he had the radio working?
Boone could have picked up an old radio transmission.

kadeskiss

04-07-05, 03:05 AM

The voice sounded like Sayid. Does anyone remember what Sayid said in the first episodes when he had the radio working?Boone could have picked up an old radio transmission.

ooh, that a good one. I almost forgot about that. he could have been hearing Sayid tranmission. but than Sayid would have said something...unless it was a delayed/time warp type of thing.

Kimber and Bunny

04-07-05, 06:29 PM

It has been offically confirmed by a a writer (Mr. DL I think) that it said "There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815." He also said they deliberately made it hard to understand to drive us crazy.

So after Last Week's ep we were all talking about this...on every board, the EW article, and now it's like forgotten.
This was a piece that we all picked up on and felt was important (to varying degrees) and I want to look at it again because:

1) Boone did not tell Locke about it
2) Boone did not tell Jack about it
3) We didn't see Boone tell Sun about it either...

Boone is DEAD. NOBODY on the island (at least from Flight 815) knows about that transmission now.

Was it important? Or was it a "White Rabbit"?

johneboy

04-07-05, 07:22 PM

It seems something as significant as that would just be a "white rabbit".

As for the transmission, it doesnt sound anything like Sayid, or Boone for that matter...

It's got to be the other survivors, the first was Rose being so certain her husband wasn't dead.. now this..

lacenaire

04-07-05, 07:57 PM

Maybe no one in camp A knows about the transmission, but someone in camp B does.

The encounter could happen still. Why has the initiative be on the survivors we can see? For what we know the others could live in bungalows with aire conditioning. Or they are zombies that need fresh blood.

(again) One transmission has set in motion wheels and springs that will determine the future of our survivors.

filmgott

04-07-05, 10:32 PM

I still believe that it was Boone...
Just take a closer look at what was said:

Boone: "Hello, hello, anybody out there? Mayday, Mayday"
Voice: "Is someone there?"
Boone: "Hello, Hello!?"
Voice: "What the... ???"

Why should someone, sitting somewhere at a radiostation be surprised just because someone sends just a mayday without any further information? It sounds just like the person on the other end was absolutely baffled, because he just couldn't believe what he had heard. So it's either someone who knows Boone - or Boone himself!

And to add some more fuel to this whole thing: which book does Sawyer read? "A wrinkle in time"...

SawyersMuse

04-07-05, 11:42 PM

that's exactly what I thought, I constantly play that part over again and I am hearing "we're the survivors of flight 815" and it does sort of sound like Boone, but I do not think it is, I think it may be the other part of the plane, I am going to try ad listen to it over and over again until I know exactly what is said because closed captioning is not always right.

LoStMyMiNd

04-08-05, 06:55 AM

Jack knows about the plane and there is still a chance he will find it and the radio

kadeskiss

04-08-05, 08:31 AM

And to add some more fuel to this whole thing: which book does Sawyer read? "A wrinkle in time"...

Nice catch! Sawyer first book, was "Watership Down" , which dealth with a group of rabbits set out to make a new home, together in unfamiliar surroundings. Just like the surviors, so A wrinkle in time, which is about time travel and a 5th dimension. so your right Boone isn't talking to someone off the island but it could be someone in the future or in a parrellel dimension of some sort. Danielle Rousseau and her team had heard a transmission 16 years ago before they crash on the island....and the guy "Leonard" , who was in the mental ward with Hurley...all have gotten some type of transmission, but no one ever found out the orgin of the transmission.

LoStMyMiNd

04-08-05, 07:53 PM

There has already been a discussion about a Wrinkle In Time. I even went out and bought the book because of it.

Caped Wonder

04-09-05, 10:02 PM

Maybe no one in camp A knows about the transmission, but someone in camp B does.

If there is a camp "B", how could they possibly have a radio/transmitter to talk with Boone?

Kimber and Bunny

04-10-05, 02:11 AM

If there is a camp "B", how could they possibly have a radio/transmitter to talk with Boone?

Yes, thank you.

lacenaire

04-10-05, 03:02 AM

A radio transmitter isn't such a weird item.

Anyone could be carrying their hand luggage a walkie talkie as a present for their kids or something. And maybe the people in camp B got more lucky and have all the supplies of batteries they want...

I've read that at any rate the transmission could only have come from the island as FM signals are too weak to travel long distances.

LostInWilderness

04-10-05, 03:35 AM

I don't think a walkie-talkie would cut it. I believe it would require a maritime radio.

lacenaire

04-10-05, 05:40 AM

A maritime radio, thanks Lostinwilderness, great catch!

So the people in camp B maybe salvaged and repaired the radio from the french team's boat?
-----------------------
Hi kimber, this is just a guess, not even a theory. But I think it's possible that if the boat had a broken radio, the french team might have let it there, especially if no one knew how to repair it. Then the "other plane crash survivors" (?) might have found the wreckage and they could have " a Sayid their own " to fix it.

That might be possible, mightn't it?

Kimber and Bunny

04-10-05, 12:36 PM

If the French Team had a repairable radio on their boat, would Danielle have it? They were there for a bit before she killed the rest and when Sayid was in her den, she DID have a bunch of stuff stashed there.

The voice that answered Boone sounded male.

drabauer

04-11-05, 12:14 AM

Ah, but that would be the reason then to show that Danielle wasn't even capable of fixing a music box. She probably left behind anything that was broken and didn't have sentimental value. I think LinW and lacenaire's notions are very probably. A "mirror" castaway camp on another part of th isalnd or a close island.

Hersh

04-11-05, 12:22 AM

I heard "There were no survivors..." of something "...815".

But when Boone first used the radio, the reply was definitely:

"Hello? Is someone there?!" - and the tone was sort of astonishment... like they couldn't believe someone was transmitting using the radio.

Do you guys think that ABC would plant a fake Closed caption just to throw us off course?

They could have written:
"There were [cackle] Flight 815!" Instead of using "There were no survivors in Oceania Flight 815".

Australopithecus

04-11-05, 01:18 AM

The voice on the radio doesn't sound anything like Boone to me, but it definitely says "We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815." The recent previews that ABC has running play this clip, but it is redubbed to specifically say "We're the survivors..." so there can be no confusion.

spooky

04-11-05, 01:34 AM

Oh, that's great. Do you know if there's a download for the new clip?

Kimber and Bunny

04-11-05, 05:45 PM

Lacenaire--yes, that IS possible. Especially when you add Drabauer's observation...showing she couldn't fix something so simple. You wouldn't want to drag around something that was broken and thus useless.

proteus74

04-12-05, 04:02 AM

It has been offically confirmed by a a writer (Mr. DL I think) that it said "There were no survivors of Oceanic flight 815." He also said they deliberately made it hard to understand to drive us crazy.

He's lying. The promos running right now for the upcoming new episodes of Lost have the plane-falling scene with the radio transmission as a voice-over, and unless ABC is doing some weird things with promo-edit cuts, the word "Oceanic" is not in the reply.

You can count the syllables in the promo too, you don't even need to hear the correct words. The number of syllables in the reply given in the promo doesn't match the phrase above, even without "Oceanic". The promo definitely makes it sound like the reply is "We're the survivors of Flight 815".

drabauer

04-12-05, 04:20 AM

Proteus--the promos have a new voice-over that edits out the "oceanic" from the original. I think the edit is just to save time and increase the number of snippets they can show in the preview.

dawnnichole

04-12-05, 10:30 PM

okay, this reminds me of the numbers episode with Hurley, the two soldiers were sitting out there, patroling in the south pacific or whatever, and the austrailia-bound one footed wife even said that they were shocked to hear any voices comming off of the island, when they heard the numbers, remember?
So the idea of some maritime soldier patroling what are thought to be un inhabited islands and hearing Boone's transmition, and then being suprised, is not really that shocking to me personally.