The real leader of the group is...

[Homer Noodleman]

Hurley.

Looking at the group as a whole, ignoring the clues and puzzles and considering what we've seen so far of their personalities, these are a few broadly stroked thoughts I've had.

Locke, while frequently the person who pulls the group through a crisis, is clearly pursuing his own agenda. He seems to have thought further ahead than any of the others, but has a conspiratorial bent and likely prefers to be the power behind the throne pulling strings than the person out in front.

Jack is pushed forward as if he is a leader, but most of his decisions are generally idiotic when executed. He acts at the spur of the moment without thinking, often times leading to bad results. Locke has tried to sense into him -- for example pointing out as the doctor he was needed more in the camp than chasing Ethan -- but Jack has a stubborn streak and often times ignores good advice. He was also the person that broke the group into two camps.

Kate is thoughtful like Locke, and also pursuing her own agenda. She inserts herself into the actions of the group as it suits her. Her flirting with Jack and Sawyer strikes me as manipulation of the two. She was also the one who kept pushing Sayid with his signal finding efforts. Locke and her are cool towards each other, but him calling her Helen early on is revealing. She knows what she needs. I wonder what a woman's take on her relationship with the other ladies on the island is?

Jin is in many ways similar to Locke. While Locke provides pork, Jin provides seafood. He is also very competent in handling himself. However, Jin is isolated by language and seems to have a bad temper. Also, Sun is an unreliable ally for him which isolates him even further.

Claire is central in that she is the mother of the child. Good natured, I suspect she is going to be ground into little pieces yet her center will hold. The warning to raise her child alone means Charlie is nothing but bad news.

Speaking of Charlie... he is a weak-willed little putz. However, his relationship to Claire makes him extremely dangerous. He is the antithesis of Sawyer. His charm is cloying and his generousity a ruse to fufill his self-centered needs. The group needed Ethan alive, Charlie's memories of just how venal he is needed him dead. He is my front runner for the villian of the piece so far.

Sawyer is less a loner than he seems. His hoarding and trading is just his own method of survival. Even more, he has had the good sense to gather what the group needs and has actually been rather forth coming in giving up what he has hoarded. Think of him as a merchant of sorts. He has an ability to weigh and judge people, and has almost always broke to the right side when action needed to be taken.

Boone is a tool and a loser. Think of him as a canary in a coal mine. When the evil does slink in this nitwit will be the first fall.

Shannon is a trader like Sawyer (she trades herself), but without his skill in judging people or his ability to be generous when the need arises. As demonstrated by her boinking her step-brother to get him back on her side or playing Charlie to catch the fish, she will be ruthless in manipulating people when it suits her. Watch out Sayid is all I gotta say.

Sayid has leadership abilities, but doesn't exercise them. He is much more interested in the puzzles he can apply his mind to. Confident in himself, he will split himself from the group to pursue his own interests. However, when he gets an answer he'll return to the group with his information unlike Locke.

Sun, while pretending not to speak English, is the most open and friendly of any of the people in the core group. She is what Jack aspires to be -- calm, comforting and forward looking. Her husband is definitely dragging her down. The split between the two will occur.

Michael lives in a world of problems of his own creation. He tries to do well, but his earnest clinging nature irritates people and drives them away from him. He is your basic doofus.

Walt is bad news. An evil, screwed up little ankle-biter operating under the radar of the adults because he is just a kid.

Hurley has been soft peddled, but he is the one out of the core group that has done most to pull people together. He has done the census, built the golf course, and in general kept things together through his good humor. Underrated by the others because he is fat and amiable, he has used a deft touch in managing the group (and I mean the entire group, not just the main group of 15 they've concentrated on) and holding it together. Heck, do any of the main -- humongously self-absorbed wankers for the most part -- group even know any of the red shirt's names? I suspect Hurley will continue to keep the group from completely falling apart.

The good so far:
Hurley, Locke, Sun, Sawyer, Michael and Sayid,

The bad:
Jack, Jin, Charlie, Boone, Shannon, and Walt

To the side:
Claire as the mother and Kate as the fulcrum.

Long post, most likely 90% silliness, but I hope it is a bit of food for thought.

[LoStMyMiNd]

You're absolutely correct! Your post is too long and I can't read them as I fall asleep.

[G-Man]

thanks for the post, that was a great read. i like your takes on everyone, especially sawyer. im trying to decide which of the characters we *think* we know who will end up differently and to that end i agree with you on charlie.

[yinyang]

Has anyone noticed that there have been nothing on the backround of hurley? He also was the one who performed the census,but did anyone check to see if he in fact was on the manifest.Could he also be a previous island survivor.He also was the one who identified ethan.Just a thought.

[M7Nitescape]

Great read my friend.
I like you take on the characters.
My fav so far is Sawyer for some weird reason.
I keep thinkning he is going to turn into the good guy.
I Like Sayid also.
Together they seem to be the warriors of the group.
Although Jack keeps jumpting in there.
Too bad they didn't follow the original script and off him.
His doctor skills are needed but his personality is awful.
Oh well.
Maybe it's just the actor doing his job.
I do think he is a good actor by the way.

Nitescape

[caddygrl77]

no, i don't think that boone & shannon are going to end up on the same side. there's too much weirdness and history between them for them to be for the same cause, whatever the cause may be.

my first post! long time lurker, future poster...

jess

[drabauer]

I'm glad that you got a lot of feeback on this, because I prior thread on Hurley for major didn't really go anywhere, but made me think a lot about how the writers are indeed positioning him for leadership.

Here are some other Hurley-centric threads to consider along with this one:
Hurley the real mastermind? (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=1043.topic)
Hurely and the Hatch (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=1142.topic)
Was Hurley already there? (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm11.showMes sage?topicID=8.topic)
New insight into Hurley (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm29.showMes sage?topicID=769.topic)

[azteclady]

Homer, allow me to correct a horrible oversight, and welcome you here!

I like what you have to say. Your analysis of each character are well thought out. Even if I disagree with some of the wording, I can't wholy disagree with the conclusions, particularly as it pertains both Hurley and Sawyer.



Beto
Read the Welcome (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm31) forum first, PM me second

[tanuki314159]

My guess is that Hurley recently struck it rich and was rewarding himself with an Australian vacation. Now how he struck it rich? An IPO? What sort of "warrior" is he?

[Wynter Zera]

ditto

[Homer Noodleman]

caddygrl77,

Actually, my list of the two sides was an after thought and I surprised myself when Boone and Shannon ended up together on it.

This is just a snapshot of what I think about the people up to this point. to be fair to Shannon, there has been a Boone-centric episode with Shannon in it, but there really hasn't been a Shannoin-centric episode. Perhaps seen from her perspective her behavior would not appear so bad.

Yet, most of the characters revealed so far have been pretty miserable excuses for human beings. Thieves, conmen, cowards, drug addicts -- and all soaked with self-pity. I hope the title Lost doesn't just refer to the physical act of being lost, but includes the moral, ethical, and spiritual state of being lost these people seem to have come from.

I excluded Clair and Kate because they seemed so different from the others in some fundamental way. Clair seems to be a truely innocent soul in all of this. I suspect her and her baby are acting as a bit of a "McGuffin" in propelling the story at this point.

Kate I exclude because they seem to be pretty deliberately blowing a lot of smoke regarding her backstory. You start out thinking she is on the run from an ex-husband or something, and then her crime keeps getting ratched up via a wanted poster (that appears to be not a wanted poster at all), to a bank robbery (that appears to be something rather more convoluted) and finally the strong insinuation she murdered somebody she loved. I think her real backstory will not be so felonious when all is told.

Anyhoo... I'm glad you, and the other people who commented on this thread, found it of interest.

[Homer Noodleman]

azteclady,

Point taken. I've hopefully edited out the word you found most offensive. My apologies for not bearing in mind there are probably younger eyes reading this site.

[joepa15425]

Hurley.

LOL

[Homer Noodleman]

Heh, I thought about this thread (the second or third I ever started) while watching Hurley con the ever gullible Sawyer last night and dredged this up from the archives.

[Khan]

Yes Yoda, I mean Hurley, could be the best leader.
I just wonder who he's going to teach how to construct a light saber.....can one be built out of bamboo? I'm not too versed in Star Wars tech, but I suppose it's possible.

[philosopher]

Hurley would be a good leader if he didn't actually suggest that Sawyer is leadership material. That pretty much made me question his intelligence.
I think either Sun or Desmond should be the leader for reasons that I explain here:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33198

[Hodgepodge]

I don't see it myself! Hurley's to wishy-washy for my taste. I'm hoping when J/J/K/S arrive at the beach, Sayid will step forward and take command. I'm reminded of something Sawyer said when Michael was leading them into that trap in the episode Three Minutes. "...I just figure if we going to war, we'd want the one guy who's actually been in a war..."

[Khan]

Sayid is more like a general, he could have a great influence, but I don't think he'll be commander in chief.
Perhaps they'll spead out the power a little more, with some of the stronger Losties being people to reckon with by the "leader".

[carmela]

I love the idea of Hurley as the leader. I don't take it to mean that Hurley will lead the Losties into battle or even on long treks thru the jungle. Hurley is the "everyman" of the show. He is the moral compass, the one that guides their society between right and wrong. He seems to be a fairly good judge of character. While is perceptive, kind and fun-loving, he can be tough when necessary.

Hurley is a great character that is delivered perfectly by Jorge Garcia.

[clayseason1]

Whenever I think about Hurley and his role among the survivors, I think about the great line he said in his flashback from exodus to the gatekeeper:

HURLEY: Please, for the love of all that is good and holy in the world, let me on this plane.

I think that line is significant and will bear out in the future. Hurley could be just as important as Locke seems to be.

[Magical Trevor]

Hurley will never be the "Leader" as in the one who is recognised as the figurehead of the Lostaways. He will however be the confidante, and the one they turn to in times of need (think Guinan in Star Trek TNG)

[Enoch Root]

Sayid is more like a general, he could have a great influence, but I don't think he'll be commander in chief.
Perhaps they'll spead out the power a little more, with some of the stronger Losties being people to reckon with by the "leader".



As I mentioned elsewhere, after it hits the fan, I think they will need to vote in a ruling council with responsibilities delegated to each member, and obviously Sayid would lead the "defensive war" effort. I don't expect to see Jack voted in or given any responsibility if he takes Juliette's side... except , obviously, "chief medical officer"...lol.

I like the idea of Sayid as "General" and I could see Sun as the "President". She has a good head on her shoulders and she can balance the defensive war effort with the basic needs of the camp.

If Danielle ever became "conscious", she would be ideal for Recon.., but unfortunately she's too wrapped up in her own issues.

Desmond I can see as the "Oracle" in a limited sort of way. He would be good for intelligence gathering and predicting future events... Something we can use in real world goverments. :wink:
He's pretty good with his rifle, too, but seems like a pacifist type and doubtful he'd use it against human targets.

Sawyer would be ideal in "procurement", that's about it... oh and perhaps in strategic planning using his expertise in cons.. I don't know how successful he can be (remember the Other's apparently know everything about him and obviously would be unwilling to participate).

Hurley, the "Mayor", in charge of morale and looking out for the well-being of the camp.

Kate ... I don't know yet.. lol. Perhaps "warrior with an attitude"?

I could see room for boat-building / technology responsibilties, but not sure who yet. Possibly one of the Redshirts, which will keep those responsibilties in the background as they are now..


Might continue to add to this list after further thought..



I guess I'll leave you with this question:

If there were a council, who would you vote for and for which responsibilities?

[Freckles+The Best Cowboy]

When I started reading this post, I assumed it was written, at the very most, a week ago. When I got down to Boone I realized that it had to be originally posted in the first season and my initial thought was 'My, what incredible insight he has.' I agree with everything you've [Homer] said, and I thought I'd take a stab at addressing the 'woman's view on Kate's relationships with other women'.

Working now in the third season, I have a good deal more information to work with, lol, so I'll start with a generalization and then hit each relationship individually.... and hopefully I won't miss anything, and I apologize in advance for this post if it becomes a novel like I suspect it will. :p

Kate has a strong protective instinct when it comes to other women. It started most obviously with her mother, who desperately needed it [even if she didnt want it]. We saw it again with Claire, when Rousseau showed up and there seemed to be a threat there Kate would always put herself between them. Then in 'Left Behind', she lended a helping hand to Cassidy [yes, I know, she did that mostly because she didn't want the police around, but at then end of the ep she offered to help Cassidy with her Sawyer problem]. She said herself 'Girls gotta stick together' and she obviously believes it. The only time this hasnt been the basis of a relationship is with Juliet and Klugh, but really, in her eyes they are the enemy and who can blame her? So, point by point:

Kate and her mother: Kate obviously loves and wants to protect her mother, and this is probably where this instinct started. What with Wayne, it became a big deal made even worse by the fact that her mother doesn't WANT to be protected. This is also where Kate gets 95% of her self worth issues from, but that's another matter.

Kate and Cassidy: They developed a pretty strong partnership, even though they were only a part of each other's lives for a short time. It was also interesting in that it put to rest the idea that Kate is INCAPABLE of having this type of honest, sincere relationship. I imagine that they could have remained friends if it were not for the circumstances. Also of note: Kate's not above reciprocation. She was willing to help Cassidy in return, despite being on the run and all that.

Kate and Sun: They have a genuine friendship. They're seen together often [compared with others on the island] and they feel comfortable enough to confide in each other. Was Kate the first person that Sun WILLINGLY revealed her english speaking ability? I know she told Michael of of necessity, and Jin at the last possible second. Anyways, they help each other out often. Sun's pregnancy test, and though Kate's motives can sometimes be little shady, as with the plot to poison Jin, they were still working together. I don't think they've ever been AGAINST each other, and that's a rare occurance on the island, with all the tension and constantly shifting loyalties.

Kate and Claire: Here's where Kate's protective instinct is shown a lot. She kept Rousseau back, she went to Claire as the boys dealt with Ethan, She insisted on helping track Ethan after Claire was kidnapped, she helped Claire deliver the baby, she helped on Claire's mission to find the medicine, and she was also Claire's bodyguard of sorts when Rousseau got a little too squirrelly on that mission. We haven't really seen them bond like with Sun, but I imagine the baby delivery was quite effective on that front, as we haven't seen Kate and Claire really fight, though Claire is a tad judgemental and challenging at times.

Kate and Shannon: this was kind of a personality clash. Shannon was rather abrasive and seemingly resentful of Kate's position. Kate has a good deal of influence, especially now that everyone knows. Its kind of counter intuitive, you'd think nobody would trust her but shes done a good job of proving herself to be more than her past [to everyone EXCEPT herself]. I think Shannon wanted the kind of standing Kate had but she just wanted motivated enough to get it, nor was she the kind of girl for the job. A lot of Kate's power comes from the fact that she's always up to getting her hands dirty and she doesn't let the boys outdo her. Shannon's a girly girl, but she has power there too, she could easily talk a guy into doing her dirty work. At any rate, they were accepting of each other at best, and I think it was more Shannon that kept them from having a Kate/Sun or even Kate/Claire relationship.

Kate and Rousseau: These two have a relationship dynamic that is quickly changing to a more friendly feel. At first it was tense and a little standoffish, but that's to be expected as they were pitted against each other. Now that their trust has built and their motives align, we can see them working together pretty seamlessly. When Kate wanted help getting Jack back she left even Sayid at camp to get Rousseau because she didn't doubt that the crazy french chick would be motivated to find her daughter. they even had a little chat and have seemed to come to a mutual understanding. [also, I think Rousseau's a lot more mentally there than she lets on... and she may KNOW a lot more than anyone thinks. As Enoch Root said, she'd be wonderfully at Recon and I think she's been doing it a while. After all... she's survived 16 years on this island, alone for most of the time. there's got to be SOME reason for this.... but that's another story for another time ;)]

Kate and Alex: See how easily these two come together? Once Alex proved herself worthy of trust, Kate pretty much accepted her and was willing to help her with Carl and all that.... which is another example of a healthy give-take relationship. They were both forthcoming and [from what we can determine] honest, and they ended up with a fruitful partnership which I can imagine will only grow from there once they get back 'together'.

Kate and Miss Klugh had a short, adversarial relationship. this is the only time we haven't seen Kate align with another female. She was completely against Klugh and not without reason. Interestingly enough, Klugh didn't live long enough for us to see if they would have remained at odds. Obviously, I'm not suggesting they would have kissed and made up anytime SOON... but in the long run, who knows?

Kate and Juliet: clearly, enemies... for the time being. Kate doesn't trust Juliet, and that's both obvious and NECESSARY. I don't trust that woman either, honestly. [Love her as a character though.] In fact, if Kate started trusting Juliet here in the near future just because Jack does, I'd be sorely disappointed, but I also realize that her NOT trusting Juliet is going to cause her some problems, most especially with Jack and maybe later with Sawyer... because unlike say, Sayid, her distrust will be assumed to be motivated by jealousy, and while that may be an underlying issue, I think her distrust is properly placed. HOWEVER, we have seen them drop the surface issues and tension and work together smoothly, when they were both scared senseless and running for their lives. They also seemed mildly tolerable of each other after they got over the initial problems and accepted the fact that they were stuck to each other for a while. While they weren't about to gab and do each other's hair, they'd stopped fighting and neither pushed the other too hard. They hit another hiccup when Juliet revealed that the WHOLE time she'd had the key to the handcuffs, and I think that will have a lot of bearing on future relations with each other, if ever a reason to question Juliet's motives or truth-telling abilities, that was it. If Juliet ever shows her true colors, and happens to be on the Losties' side [as I suspect she now has no choice but to be, unless its some elaborate plan], I think Kate will eventually come to accept her, and dare i say it, they might get along nicely. I think they could identify with each other, and after getting past the issues they have with each other [read: Jack], I imagine they'd see that.

ETA

E.R., I agree with you on the Hurley/morale thing. I'd also want Sayid to be in charge of most of the strategic stuff. Jack for the overall physical health. Honestly though, I wouldn't want one person making the decisions. the best thing is a group of people deciding together, and I think if the losties got this concept down they'd fare much better. And like you, I don't know where I'd put Kate. She'd probably be in there with Sayid. Sawyer could be responsible for keeping everyone from getting too happy ;), but on a more sensible note, he'd be good at keeping a balance in decision making. Jack tends to make hasty decisions based on emotion, wher Sawyer is a more cut and dried logical decision maker. of course, he has a problem being a team player sometimes, so that may hurt him, but you want as many people making the big choices as you can get, it makes for more rounded decision making.

[Enoch Root]

Freckles..Since your post was centering on Kate, I think there's a lot of info there to consider.. For now, I'm suggesting Kate as "chief warrior with an attitude". She is passionate about "causes" and will go to any lengths to reach her goals but not above the needs of the camp, and may even lead to her own detriment. (Judgement issues?)

As far as the "council", they would meet regularly and compare notes, so the camp would be led by committee.

[philosopher]

I also think Sun should be the "president". She seems to make the best decisions even if sometimes she has to lie or deceive.

[Freckles+The Best Cowboy]

Enoch, I agree, and that's why I kind of lumped her in with Sayid. She's gone on plenty of A-missions to help others and the group as a whole, but she does sometimes let her emotional investments cloud her better judgement [Jack comes to mind here]. and LOL, most of my posts ARE Kate-oriented. betcha can't guess who my favorite character is! ;)

Philosopher, you've got a good point there. Sun should defintely have a high position. She's both levelheaded and patient. She does make mostly sound decisions, and she's group-oriented. She's also very soft-spoken but at the same time firm. She has an objective opinion to offer but the only downfall with her is that she's hardly ever quite as involved as, say, the A-team. I think if she were kept abreast of the goings on, she would be an invaluable voice of decision-making... but she wouldn't be ideal for choices regarding things like missions and all that. she would be better at governing the people and standards of the community.

[Hodgepodge]

This thread has really turned into something. I'm taking notes and will comment later. Keep it up guys! :Cheers:

[clayseason1]

Kate and her mother: Kate obviously loves and wants to protect her mother, and this is probably where this instinct started. What with Wayne, it became a big deal made even worse by the fact that her mother doesn't WANT to be protected. This is also where Kate gets 95% of her self worth issues from, but that's another matter.

Kate and Sun: They have a genuine friendship. They're seen together often [compared with others on the island] and they feel comfortable enough to confide in each other. Was Kate the first person that Sun WILLINGLY revealed her english speaking ability? I know she told Michael of of necessity, and Jin at the last possible second. Anyways, they help each other out often. Sun's pregnancy test, and though Kate's motives can sometimes be little shady, as with the plot to poison Jin, they were still working together. I don't think they've ever been AGAINST each other, and that's a rare occurance on the island, with all the tension and constantly shifting loyalties.
.

Kate/Diane - While I would agree that Kate loves her mother, I don't agree that Kate's actions (namely - blowing up the house with Wayne in it) were born out of a need to protect her mother. I think Kate killed Wayne because she hated him. Kate had a wonderful life with a terrific "hero" dad. That was all taken away from her when she discovered that Austen was not her father, but the drunk that beat up her mother was. She hated him for everything he was not. She killed him for that reason, not to protect her mother.

Kate/Sun - Although Kate may be a good friend to Sun, don't take any bets that Sun is a good friend to Kate. Sun is self-serving and a liar. Whatever action she takes will be in her own best interest - to be sure. I don't think for a minute that she was influenced by Kate to poison Jin's water to keep him off the raft. I think she led Kate down the road to think she influenced Sun, but Sun set it up to begin with. Sun bears watching - she is not what she seems.

[snakey]

I cant blame Kate for hanging with the guys, not only because she is a tomboy. If you had a mother who showed a preference for a drunk wife beater rather than her (at the time) obedient daughter and who left the 'good' loving father this daughter had for that creep, you might have a bit of distrust for other woman too. Seems like the only woman she has gotten along with was Cassidy (a fellow down on her luck con) who went out of her way to help Kate. Kate has issues but we can see how they came about.
I dont think Walt is bad either, he got the short end of the stick in the parent department, a stepfather that wanted to unload him as soon as his mom died (still wonder about that death). A father who wanted him then when he could have him tried to get out of it. Topping it all off,he has a Carrie type gift that he cant control and is kidnapped because of, who knows what he went thru in room 23 or worse. I liked the little dude and when Locke talked to him as a person he was very sweet and smart.

[Khan]

Kate's biggest problem has been her tendancy to run. I still think they need to show us the root of that. Of course no one wants to go to jail, but her panic and willingness and to do terrible things to get away is has never been fully explained. It just feels like there's big missing piece, maybe it's something that shows her nature is someone who can't bear to be caged, but they need to back that if it's true.
Warriors thoughout the ages fall into different catgories, some were just grunts, doing what they had to do but really would rather be back on the farm. Some were glory hounds, it was all about the attention and often a step up in social status, depending on the culture. Some for the money,in many places warriors recieved booty as thier reward. Some were protective warriors, those who fought for cause, country and family.
To call her a protective warrior with attitude is on target. She's a fighter, but definately not a punk.

At heart Kate is also a diplomat, capable of seeing an issue from all points of view and in the past was very good at finding an equable solution. That's not an easy task in a place with no rules, laws and volatile personalities clashing daily. That part of her has not been shown much lately but was the glue that held things together in S1.
Her strongest traits are an action personality combinded with deep compassion, that's the well she's draws her protective side from.
She's completely balanced when dealing with out of control Losties, but she loses it when her deepest emotions are involved.

Mom is being beaten, mom won't leave, stepdaddy has to go, blow him up. It was simple to her, a straight foward solution to an intolerable problem, that's how she handles things, get to the heart of matter and deal with it. Only you can't do those things, it's very wrong and in the long run it's going to cost you and others everything.

She wanted the toy plane that was an emotional connection with her past, it was locked in a bank. Hook up with bankrobbers, set up a big score, get the plane, they get money. Simple. But it wasn't, it ended with a man almost being killed, her cohorts shot by her and an even worse record.

The same problem appeared when the raft was about to leave. Things were fine until someone casually mentioned when they were rescued they all be famous. She can't be caught, Sawyer has the most vulnerable spot, get his by backstabbing. Simple again. However that time it caused her criminal past to be revealed and now she doesn't have chance to pretend she's just like everyone else if they every get rescued.

She's never learned to rein in her impulses , not to jump and act imemediatly no matter how powerful the emotion. As a warrior she needs to learn to circle her objective a little more, study it, calculate the results of each move, and feint until the best opportunity opens, one that would result in the least damage and then strike.
There would have been far easier ways to get her creepy step daddy out of the picture and none needed to involve his death. She was willing to get it on with the bank robber, she could have just as easily conned a bank employee using her sexuality if that was the way she was going to play it.
She hit a tough one when it can to Sawyer, he saw through her too well, but he also had a thing for her. It wouldn't have taken much to get him to cave to protect her instead of fighting with her.
She needs to learn to bide her time. As warrior she needs a little more seasoning; if she gets it she'll be a great one.

[clayseason1]

Spoken like a warrior, Khan. :Peace5:

[snakey]

I'm thinking the running is what she inherited from her real dad, he wasnt around when her mom was expecting, he was probably a con too. The worse thing she did was that imbecilic bank heist, how could she not think of the million ways it could go wrong, again acting on impulse. I dont want to make this all about Kate, the thread is about Hurley as the leader, I can see that happening if he turns into Tony Roberts.
Forgot to say, she is running from her self really because she doesnt want to be like her dad and by doing that she is.

[Khan]

Spoken like a warrior, Khan. :Peace5:

Should be, I come from a long line of them. When my friends were reading fiction I was making my dad explain how certain ancient warriors won thier battles.
The principles never change, one thing I've learned is the greatest warriors are born, not made. You can teach the skills and people can be brave as hell, but there is an unexplainable intangible in the best that is God given, you have it or you don't.
I think they could write Kate having it, but I left out an important connection, some real warriors go on to be rulers. The best ones can do it, they have something that goes beyond battle, the quality that seeks to build a solid society, ablitiy to make peace with an enemy, control your territory and total devotion to justice. Kate has those traits when the writing is up to standard.

[Enoch Root]

...She's never learned to rein in her impulses , not to jump and act imemediatly no matter how powerful the emotion. As a warrior she needs to learn to circle her objective a little more, study it, calculate the results of each move, and feint until the best opportunity opens, one that would result in the least damage and then strike...

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I totally agree with your assessment. She has the potential to be a "stealth ninja" type if so motivated, but definitely needs to rein in her emotions. And I agree, when she settles herself, she could make a great leader.

[RufDog#1]

Yikes, I cringe at the thought of Kate being a leader, since she seems to think only of herself. Yet, the thought of Hurley as leader makes me break out into uncontrollable fits of laughter (no offence to any other opinions expressed!). As much as I LOVE Sayid, cuz he gets the job done, I don't think he has any interest in being leader, he's ultimately a survivalist with a (great) hard edge.

Hmmm, who does that leave. As much as Jack is unravelling by the minute, I think he's got an insatiable need to 'herd' and lead his flock. Jack and Desmond are my 2 favorite characters so I could be biased.