Why is Claire falling for Charlie again?

[AceOfDiamonds]

Now, that seems a very foolish and uncharacteristic mistake for her to make. Since when had she forgiven Charlie? Since he gave her the vaccine that's probably going to damn near kill her baby?

It's all rather weird. Claire's decided not only to trust Charlie again but to actually love him -- and that's just a strange development.

[Homer Noodleman]

Because Claire, bless her heart, is rock solid stupid.

[SareBear00]

I found that kiss shocking too because it was totally out of the blue. She goes from not talking to him to kissing him. There was no romantic build up between them - it just happened.

[johnq1234]

Why are people against Charlie so much?

He's always just trying to help. Yeah he had a heroin addiction, but he's kicked it now. And besides his past addiction, he's good at heart. What faults does he have now?

He's risked his life for Claire and her baby a number of times, yet that never gets counted. He almost died after being hanged. And he's the one who brought Aaron back after he was kidnapped.

Charlie's always doing things to make Claire happy. He brought her peanut butter twice which cheered her up and he even brought her the vaccinations she was dying for. He even tested the vaccinations on himself before giving them to Claire.

People need to cut him some slack.

[SareBear00]

I'm not against Charlie at all! I am a Claire/Charlie shipper. I just think that the whole kissing scene happened a little fast. It's like Charlie went back in time . He went up to Claire as if there had been nothing wrong. When Claire asked where Locke and Eko were, Charlie said, "they're not back yet?" like they were still in the jungle. Did Charlie lose a day or two?

[AceOfDiamonds]

Just to reaffirm that I agree with what SareBear's saying: honestly, I wouldn't have had a problem with a Charlie / Claire ship if it was written right; if Claire's feelings for Charlie had gradually changed over the course of many episodes. But it feels as if her reaction to Charlie in the finale was far too sudden. A Jack/Kate or a Sawyer/Kate scene would have been easier to believe, just because at least in those cases you have the appropriate romantic tension / buildup.

I think Charlie's been acting like an idiot lately, though, which definitely taints my perspective further as to why Claire would so suddenly think he's hawt enough to kiss. Heck, think about it this way; back before Charlie even kidnapped Claire's baby and nearly drowned him, Claire didn't even go that far with Charlie.

[star2954]

There was no romantic build up between them - it just happened.


The whole first season was, and about half of this one.

She was mad at him for a while, he did something really sweet after her temper had gone away, and she decided to give him a second chance. Surely it's not the first time a woman has changed her mind at the spur of the moment. And him being injured, probably had something to do with it.

And with Charlie asking "they aren't back yet" I'm guessing he didn't hear any of what happened after he left the hatch, and I'm also thinking he might have a bit of a concussion after impacting solid concrete, so he's a little stupid atm.

[xXxJessiexXx]

Its obvious that Claire has never actually stopped loving Charlie. Throughout season one we saw their friendship grow and maybe (in charlies eyes) become a little more than just friends. This was carried on into the second season.

It was only the fact that Claire learnd of Charlie's addiction did she start to think about who he really was. (Although she did have a little period near eppy 6 wondering why he was so clingy) I think it came a as a shock abut his addiction and she wasnt only hurt with him for lying to her but probably hurt with her self for trusting him and not seeing it before. When he took her baby that was it for them. Claire decided to keep well away. But you could tell she still wasn't 100 % sure that charlie was going crazy you could see that she was begining to beleive everything charlie was telling her. Because she had learnt to trust him and she still hadt hat trust because she had strong feelings for him.

Claire was forever telling charlie to give her and the baby some space. She wasn't telling him to stay away for ever and leave her alone never to talk to her ect. It was just that she needed time to think and be her self and get her head around her feelings for him. There was always the intention of somethign happening because she said she needed space. But that is not permanant is it.

I think that the deaht of ana and libby hit her hard. She realised that sometimes life can just turn around quickly and you cant take things for granted any more. Anything can happen and it could easily have been charlie ro herself lying in the hole.

She always had feelings for him but obviously didnt beleive them or show them until now. Its hardly suddenly out of the blue.

Like johnq1234 said, Charlie has risked his life for Claire many time before. There's no other character on the island who has done as much for someone else as he has. He almost died when he was strung up by his neck, he rushed off to get claire's baby not thinking of what could have happend to him. He swam out to get claire's baby knowing he cant swim (Only that was a dream and he could swim but it shows his determination) he tested the vaccination on him self not knowing what it oculd have done to him. He's sweet and caring and its not really a mystery that she's fallen for him is it.

[Starrynight]

'cause she loves him and he has redeemed himself. Simple as that :)

[Homer Noodleman]

Ummm... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Claire the birdbrain who is injecting her baby with an unknown drug? Yes, she's sweet and pleasant and all, but face it -- if you asked her who was buried in Grant's Tomb she would be stumped. Claire is more than a little on the dense side.

[Andrew23]

She never injected her baby with the vaccine. She was ABOUT to, but then Desmond told her she was wasting her time. Doesn't matter though, Ethan already injected the baby once before and it seemed to turn out fine.

And as the wise man Locke said to Charlie, with time...Claire will forgive you. What's so bad about Charlie though? He stole the baby in his dream/sleepwalking state.

[johnq1234]

I think Claire believes her baby needs the vaccine because of the brainwashing she received in the medical hatch. The Cylons kept telling her about a sickness on the island and they were giving the fetus shots through her stomach as well. I don't quite remember, but I think they gave the baby vaccinations after he was born too.

In any case, Claire's seen that the drug apparently isn't doing any harm and her brainwashing sees to the rest.

[Hodgepodge]

I have to agree with Star. There's been a buildup throughout S1 and S2. She even wrote in her diary, "... realized I really like Charlie, something about him that's just so adorable and sweet. Even in a scary place like this Charlie makes me feel safe." We've been leading up to this for over 60 days.

Now granted, he went a little crazy awhile back, but as Star mentions, it's a woman's prerogative to forgive and forget. She decided to give him a second chance. OK, I almost finished this without laughing! :D


Because Claire, bless her heart, is rock solid stupid.:yeah:

[9mile monster]

SareBear, interesting idea you had. "It's like Charlie went back in time?" Maybe the electro magnetic pulse or explosion erased memories of everyone outside of the hatch area. And Claire doesn't remember all the crap Charlie pulled with the heroine and her baby.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

SareBear, interesting idea you had. "It's like Charlie went back in time?" Maybe the electro magnetic pulse or explosion erased memories of everyone outside of the hatch area. And Claire doesn't remember all the crap Charlie pulled with the heroine and her baby.

Nah, she remembered. I too, agree with Star's post. It's like the majority of the female population to do this, and the whole him being injured does add something into it I think. She just forgave him, plain and simple. I love Charlie/Claire and while Claire may be dense, may be stupid, she's human and she's a new mother, both of which make plenty of mistakes just like the rest of us. Just my two cents.

[9mile monster]

But something just wasn't right the way she kissed him, Charlie. Claire might have been crushing alittle on Charlie before the heroin ordeal. But she wasn't liking him that much. She even complained to Locke (someone and I'm not sure who or what episode it was) that Charlie was starting to tell her what to do, "it's like we're playing mum and dad to ...(Aaron)".
Charlie was starting to get on Claire's nerves.

So why did Claire kiss him like that? It was a passionate kiss that had sexual implications. After a traumatic experience, like the EMP the island just experienced, you'd expect a kiss that siad, "I'm so very grateful you are alive and safe and here with me." Not the let's do it kiss.

[chrisberni]

I just think that the whole kissing scene happened a little fast. It's like Charlie went back in time . He went up to Claire as if there had been nothing wrong. When Claire asked where Locke and Eko were, Charlie said, "they're not back yet?" like they were still in the jungle. Did Charlie lose a day or two?

Yup, that's exactly what bothered me about that scene. It could be that Charlie actually saw Locke and Eko alive after the whole EMP thing, and that we just weren't shown to keep up the suspense over the hiatus. But that made the way he acted all unperturbed seem very weird.

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

But something just wasn't right the way she kissed him, Charlie. Claire might have been crushing alittle on Charlie before the heroin ordeal. But she wasn't liking him that much. She even complained to Locke (someone and I'm not sure who or what episode it was) that Charlie was starting to tell her what to do, "it's like we're playing mum and dad to ...(Aaron)".
Charlie was starting to get on Claire's nerves.

So why did Claire kiss him like that? It was a passionate kiss that had sexual implications. After a traumatic experience, like the EMP the island just experienced, you'd expect a kiss that siad, "I'm so very grateful you are alive and safe and here with me." Not the let's do it kiss.

While I agree that Charlie was acting a bit too weird for my liking, I didn't see anything passionate or sexual about the kiss. It was a simple and held kiss to the lips, that's all. She was probably relieved he was okay, and seeing that he had been in the hatch, she probably thought he had been being a tad bit heroic. It doesn't much matter anymore what happened between them in the finale. If he's lying or if something's wrong with him, she'll find out eventually.

[9mile monster]

It is interesting Angel how two different people can interpret a scene so differently. That is what keeps everyone talking on these lines.

[DarthKitty]

IMHO, Charlie has had a memory lapse due to a concussion. That is not uncommon at all if he was hit hard enough.As far as Claire kissing Charlie, I have no idea, but I am ready for an increase in action on the island next season!:makeout:

[Sawyer'sBaby'sMomma]

It is interesting Angel how two different people can interpret a scene so differently. That is what keeps everyone talking on these lines.

Agreed. I mean if you compare kisses in this show, here's how I interpret

AL/Sawyer - Straight hot 'let's get it on' passion.

Kate/Sawyer - Halted and slow, but it gets passionate

Kate/Jack - Spontaneous and passionate

Claire/Charlie - Simple, sweet, with a slight tinge of passion and romance.

I know there are more kisses in this show, but I'm just showing the main ones here.

Sayid/Shannon - they had a rather high school like kiss to me, just making out

Jin/Sun - I think they have the sweetest kisses

Hurley/Libby - The least sexual of the kisses, a beautiful kiss

[Green Arrow]

Charlie pace, Good, LMAO!

If the baby (I was gonna put his name on but I cant freakin spell it) was in a room and had the choice of wanting to be with good ol' Locke and Charlie here, well lets just say he'd go for Locke, go Coake!

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[snip] Ehh... leave the baby out of this, ok? --Homer

[Suil Liath]

I think it's a plot device There isn't a shread of chemsitry between the two of them. She may be misconstruing Charlie's motives too --- maybe he just wants to belong to something, he's more bonded with Aaron, and Claire is just an unfortunate appendage.

[mjgill85]

I've been re-watching the last few episodes recently as they aired here in the UK and this really does seem to be a little ridiculous. Claire has told Charlie to shove off ever since he repeatedly took her baby away from her. About 1 or 2 weeks later (not sure on the timeline) Charlie hands her some unknown drugs that could do anything to her and Aaron, and all of a sudden she falls for him again. :eyebrow:

I dunno, maybe it could be explained away by their circumstances or some disconnect theory but I just can't see how a single mother, looking after her newborn baby; would decide that the recovering drug addict, kidnapper, murderer and provider of random drugs to Aaron, is someone she'd love to spend some time with :confused:

And as Suil Liath said, there's absolutely no chemistry between the two which makes the whole thing even more unconvincing. There was, in fact, a smidgen more chemistry between Claire and Locke (in my opinion, of course ;)).

End of rant :D

[interplanetjanet]

Charlie doesn't seem to like Claire talking to other guys. (See Locke, Desmond.) The sad scene where she tells Charlie to go ask Locke what happened can be read as her realizing Charlie will get mad if she goes to talk to Locke.

I think they got them together again to break them up again. Most likely, Desmond.

[Green Arrow]

lol, i'll pray to god that happens.....

[Suil Liath]

The whole Claire/Charlie thing is contrived. Unless they explain to us why Charlie seems to be so invested this...of course we know that Claire has very poor taste in men so that's not rocket science.

[Shapedude]

Lost needs SOMETHING stable.

I hope it's this

[Quatro]

Lost needs SOMETHING stable.

I hope it's this


too true, i'd like for them to get together.

[Darkrogue]

To be honest, I like Claire. But with regard to the C/C relationship, Claire has always bothered me in that she is so wishy-washy with Charlie. (Yeah, I know, Charlie-fan bias and blah blah). But it’s always been very one-sided, so it feels, as Suil pointed out, contrived. And I think it was forced on Charlie’s part as well, at least at first. His gravitation towards her seems to have been bred more of some personal need within him than anything else. In other words, in the beginning, Charlie used her as a means of fulfilling his own needs (family, acceptance, etc).

Charlie has a strong craving for some stability in his life, and Claire seemed the most convenient route for something resembling a “family” for him to take care of. He seems more paternally invested in Aaron than romantically invested in Claire, but over time, I think that feelings for her have evolved within him somewhat.

But Claire has never seemed to have any real investment in the relationship. I can understand that his initial advances were creepy…hence, why she was hesitant to commit. And, as stated, his initial interest was purely derived from something he felt was missing from his own life. But it has gone beyond that, and at some point, I would think Claire would have told the poor sap that she just wasn’t interested.

It’s like she wants a relationship with him, but only at her convenience and at her whim. She wants to let Charlie help her, but at her convenience. It’s all right for him to watch the baby and feed him and make her little slings to carry Aaron in and make diapers for him and all that. But it has to be at her fancy. Claire always rebukes Charlie to take her feelings into consideration, but I can’t recall one time where she’s actually taken his feelings into consideration. Sure, we’ve seen Charlie lie to her, but then we’ve also seen him be totally open and honest with her, only to have her throw it back in his face. They cannot leave the relationship like that, because it just falls flat. It has been all giving on his end and all taking on hers, and it’s been very frustrating.

What might fix this is if we are shown a moment in which she and the rest of the castaways believe Charlie is gone, and we will see the full effects when she realizes finally what she has lost. In fact, I think his “death” might be just the thing Claire needs to finally appreciate what she has in Charlie.

If he lives (crosses fingers) she will be that much more appreciative of him when they are reunited, and we could finally have that stable relationship we all want to see.

Plus, we might then be treated to some real, substantial character development for Claire!

[Celtic Ceilidh]

I think at this point Claire would be "falling" for anyone who would be willing to change diapers, etc. Since Charlie's been the one to help her out, she'll stay in his tent. I imagine that if Desmond or Sayid had volunteered to help with diaper duty, she would be liking them.

[9mile monster]

I really wished that more went on last week between Claire and Charlie. He told the baby that "I love you" but him and Claire only made goggle eyes at each other. Granted their eyes were talking deep carrying and admiration for each other, but I was hoping for more. No words, no touching, no kisses, Boo.

[Darkrogue]

I really wished that more went on last week between Claire and Charlie. He told the baby that "I love you" but him and Claire only made goggle eyes at each other. Granted their eyes were talking deep carrying and admiration for each other, but I was hoping for more. No words, no touching, no kisses, Boo.

I agree, it was cruel to end the relationship on that note. And it is even worse that Claire has no clue what he has done for her and Aaron’s sake. I was hoping the “unfinished” feel that was left hanging in terms of their relationship was a sign that Charles might somehow make it. Guess not.

What we have instead is an unrequited love story—with a tragic ending.

[Hodgepodge]

I really wished that more went on last week between Claire and Charlie. He told the baby that "I love you" but him and Claire only made goggle eyes at each other. Granted their eyes were talking deep carrying and admiration for each other, but I was hoping for more. No words, no touching, no kisses, Boo.

I agree, it was cruel to end the relationship on that note. And it is even worse that Claire has no clue what he has done for her and Aaron’s sake. I was hoping the “unfinished” feel that was left hanging in terms of their relationship was a sign that Charles might somehow make it. Guess not.

What we have instead is an unrequited love story—with a tragic ending.I definitely agree with you guys. I'm wondering how long had it been decided to kill the character off? It would seem playing up their relatlionship one last time would've been good for a couple of teary-eyed moments.

I'm curious how she's going to react once Desmond tells her of Charlie's fate? I'd better find that box of Kleenex now before S4 starts. :cry:

[lrob]

The kiss was almost weirder and more awkward than the Jack/Juliet kiss.

[Hollycore]

Maybe SmokeyCharlie will tell her that's he's dead.
Or she will just find a new hobbit *crosses fingers for Elijah to appear from the jungle in some sort of time shift*

[Bobb]

I agree, it was cruel to end the relationship on that note. And it is even worse that Claire has no clue what he has done for her and Aaron’s sake. I was hoping the “unfinished” feel that was left hanging in terms of their relationship was a sign that Charles might somehow make it. Guess not.

What we have instead is an unrequited love story—with a tragic ending.

Why would Charlie have wanted to make his death harder on her and make her feel guilty? Claire has things bad enough without having to believe that her soulmate sacrificed himself for her. They'd reconciled, and there was a possibility of more, but Claire won't have to beat herself up for the rest of her life. Charlie was just a nice guy who she might or might not have had a relationship with off-island. She was always questioning why he was playing Daddy and Hubby when he wasn't either.

[Darkrogue]

Why would Charlie have wanted to make his death harder on her and make her feel guilty? Claire has things bad enough without having to believe that her soulmate sacrificed himself for her. They'd reconciled, and there was a possibility of more, but Claire won't have to beat herself up for the rest of her life. Charlie was just a nice guy who she might or might not have had a relationship with off-island. She was always questioning why he was playing Daddy and Hubby when he wasn't either.

The thing is, she never treated him like her soulmate, and never really seemed to give him much regard. If anything, she’ll have even more reason to beat herself up than ever when she realizes what he’s done for her. If she had shown him a little affection, then his death might have been a tad more satisfying. I would have liked to at least see her throw him a bone before he died.

Not that it matters anyhow. Knowing these writers, I’ll be surprised if she gets any screen time at all now. :rolleyez:

[Green Arrow]

Charlies out of the picture now! Move over Clostaway!