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In the Podcast after the season 2 finale this was said:
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster."
This could mean several things:
*The smoke is not the monster.
*The smoke is actually a sub-monster.
*The monster is someone in the pearl hatch. i.e. A security system.
*That bird that Hurley thought said his name is the monster.
What do you guys think?
I can't think of anything else that could eventually be the monster.
Oh, and they also said that we will realise what they mean by this statement by the end of next season.
kevgrass
05-28-06, 09:07 AM
The "good chance" makes me think it's not obvious.
Well just before that they said:
"It's a fairly controversial statement, but it would be accurate"
Jack T Kirk Too
05-28-06, 09:15 AM
The black smoke tricked Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley. They thought they were seeing Sayid's signal but it was really the monster!!!!!
The black smoke tricked Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley. They thought they were seeing Sayid's signal but it was really the monster!!!!!
Good point, but the way it was said on the podcast sounded like it happened at the beginning to the middle of ther season, and not in the finale.
PandoraX
05-28-06, 10:54 AM
Yeah, we're having this whole monster debate down in the spoilers section also... http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20932
When I first posted it, I wasn't sure if it counted as a real spoiler, either, and decided to play it safe...
HugoGrim
05-28-06, 02:36 PM
Who made this statement? Sorry I've never listened to the Podcasts, so I don't know who is giving them.
Richardstone
05-28-06, 02:39 PM
Who made this statement? Sorry I've never listened to the Podcasts, so I don't know who is giving them.
That would be Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse
The thing it made me think is that the monster can maybe take different shapes? But they seemed to say it was in season two we saw it and did'nt realize what we were looking at, Jack saw his dad in season one so I'm not sure if this kills that theory, also it'd be a little obvious....
HugoGrim
05-28-06, 02:48 PM
That would be Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse
The thing it made me think is that the monster can maybe take different shapes? But they seemed to say it was in season two we saw it and did'nt realize what we were looking at, Jack saw his dad in season one so I'm not sure if this kills that theory, also it'd be a little obvious....
"saw the monster and didn't realize it"
"saw the monster and didn't realize what you were looking at"
Those are two quite different statements. Which was actually said?
Richardstone
05-28-06, 02:54 PM
"saw the monster and didn't realize it"
"saw the monster and didn't realize what you were looking at"
Those are two quite different statements. Which was actually said?
Give me a second and I'll get an exact quote...
Heh, there's one in the first post...
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster"
Carlton seemed a little suprised that Damon said it...
lostboy
05-28-06, 03:19 PM
Vincent
lostboy
05-28-06, 03:20 PM
Remember back in the Pilot episode when we first heard the monster..... immediatly Walt stood up and said "Vincent?" . This makes me feel Walt has heard Vincent make that sound before.
HugoGrim
05-28-06, 03:21 PM
Remember back in the Pilot episode when we first heard the monster..... immediatly Walt stood up and said "Vincent?" . This makes me feel Walt has heard Vincent make that sound before.
LOL
lostboy
05-28-06, 03:47 PM
LOL back at ya.
HugoGrim
05-28-06, 03:50 PM
Question: It's been said that the black smoke blowing up the plane wreckage in the pilot episode has been disproven, is this true? If so how was it disproven?
Richardstone
05-28-06, 03:53 PM
Question: It's been said that the black smoke blowing up the plane wreckage in the pilot episode has been disproven, is this true? If so how was it disproven?
Javi...
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32133
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=31254
lostboy
05-28-06, 03:56 PM
Come on, HugoGrim..... that was disproven last year by the writers. Pay attention. LOL
HugoGrim
05-28-06, 03:56 PM
Javi...
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32133
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=31254
Cool, that expains it all right. Who exactly is Javi though?
karate schnitzel
05-28-06, 03:57 PM
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster"
This could simply mean the black smoke that confronted Eko is the monster. Some people may believe the black smoke isn't the same thing that killed the pilot, crashed through the jungle and killed Locke's boar. They might just be saying the black smoke IS the monster to verify it.
Richardstone
05-28-06, 03:59 PM
Cool, that expains it all right. Who exactly is Javi though?
DJ Dan
:)
Javier Grillo-Marxuach. Writer, Supervising Producer.
He's left Lost now though, apart from his part in The Lost Experience....
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster"
This could simply mean the black smoke that confronted Eko is the monster. Some people may believe the black smoke isn't the same thing that killed the pilot, crashed through the jungle and killed Locke's boar. They might just be saying the black smoke IS the monster to verify it.
I guess, that would be a little boring though.
Assuming that the Black Smoke and The Monster are the same thing it's exciting to think that we've seen it at some stage and not realised it was the monster we were looking at...
Killed Locke's boar? When was that?
dunnsky
05-28-06, 04:07 PM
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster"
This could simply mean the black smoke that confronted Eko is the monster. Some people may believe the black smoke isn't the same thing that killed the pilot, crashed through the jungle and killed Locke's boar. They might just be saying the black smoke IS the monster to verify it.
That's what I was gonna say!
HugoGrim
05-28-06, 04:10 PM
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster"
This could simply mean the black smoke that confronted Eko is the monster. Some people may believe the black smoke isn't the same thing that killed the pilot, crashed through the jungle and killed Locke's boar. They might just be saying the black smoke IS the monster to verify it.
It could be that simple, but I'd like to think it's something a little more mysterous than that. Possibly the monster can take different forms... who knows.
You could be right though.
EDIT: The script uses the name "cerberus" to describe the monster, no? Does it use that name for the black smoke (when it's seen) or is that what killed the pilot?
Richardstone
05-28-06, 04:11 PM
I was VERY sure I was looking at the monster during The 23rd Psalm
lostboy
05-28-06, 05:36 PM
Vincent
Jayemel
05-28-06, 05:43 PM
Vincent
Even though you annoy me on about three levels, I have to say Vincent = Monster is a very logical theory.
The question then becomes, did the real Vincent die in the crash and the Monster took his form?
An alternate theory is that Vincent is the animalification of the supernatural force (God, the island) that has brought the 815ers and all to the island.
Richardstone
05-28-06, 06:00 PM
EDIT: The script uses the name "cerberus" to describe the monster, no? Does it use that name for the black smoke (when it's seen) or is that what killed the pilot?
I'm not sure what they call the monster in the script, the first we heard or saw of Cerberus was on the blast door map...
The place that had the scripts up online is gone...
:(
jmb3rg3r
05-28-06, 06:08 PM
Kate's black horse springs most immediately to mind.
Jayemel
05-28-06, 10:26 PM
Kate's black horse springs most immediately to mind.
ACTUALLY, I like that idea even better.
Seeing how the monster read Eko's mind, did it read Kate's and transform into the horse? If this idea were true, it would also explain things such as Jack's Dad being on the island, Sawyer's boar, and the appearance of Hurley's imaginary friend Dave.
Ever since Eko saw his past in the smoke, I thought the smoke was what was showing us the flashbacks. Now I wonder even more...
(This idea could be congruent with the monster being Vincent. Vincent could be the typical form it takes. Maybe the monster chose to emulate Vincent because of Walt's powers.)
Richardstone
05-28-06, 10:32 PM
ACTUALLY, I like that idea even better.
Seeing how the monster read Eko's mind, did it read Kate's and transform into the horse? If this idea were true, it would also explain things such as Jack's Dad being on the island, Sawyer's boar, and the appearance of Hurley's imaginary friend Dave.
Ever since Eko saw his past in the smoke, I thought the smoke was what was showing us the flashbacks. Now I wonder even more...
(This idea could be congruent with the monster being Vincent. Vincent could be the typical form it takes. Maybe the monster chose to emulate Vincent because of Walt's powers.)
Everyone allways puts the boar Sawyer was after in this group and I can never figure out why?
Was'nt the boar real?
I'd personally not put Dave in the list either but that's just me...
PandoraX
05-28-06, 10:35 PM
EDIT: The script uses the name "cerberus" to describe the monster, no? Does it use that name for the black smoke (when it's seen) or is that what killed the pilot?
As I recall, one of the scripts I saw way back just had it in as "The Monster", no details. Like Richard said, it is only mentioned in the blast door, and at that, no one has actually come out and said Cerberus = Monster (though I would put my money on it, certainly).
Bumknee102
05-28-06, 11:19 PM
Aftre reading this quote, i was immeidatly reminded of the old Mr. Clucks website. Didn't it say somthing to the affect (encoded in the chicken head) "You are the monster"? Mabye TPTB are just having some rmoe fun with our minds... after all, if "we", meaning the viewers as well as the losites are the monster (subconciously perhaps?), then we have most defintly seen the monster this year without realizing it. I suppot the connection with Vincent to the monster/cerebus though, its an interesting theory
Originally Posted by PandoraX
As I recall, one of the scripts I saw way back just had it in as "The Monster", no details. Like Richard said, it is only mentioned in the blast door, and at that, no one has actually come out and said Cerberus = Monster (though I would put my money on it, certainly).
As long as your theory doesn't have the P word in it, it's fine by me.
3519273540
05-29-06, 01:07 AM
they have referred to it as "the smoke monster" in the past.
rvturnage
05-29-06, 01:12 AM
ACTUALLY, I like that idea even better.
Seeing how the monster read Eko's mind, did it read Kate's and transform into the horse? If this idea were true, it would also explain things such as Jack's Dad being on the island, Sawyer's boar, and the appearance of Hurley's imaginary friend Dave.
Ever since Eko saw his past in the smoke, I thought the smoke was what was showing us the flashbacks. Now I wonder even more...
(This idea could be congruent with the monster being Vincent. Vincent could be the typical form it takes. Maybe the monster chose to emulate Vincent because of Walt's powers.)
Funny, we've been discusing a similar thought over at the fuselage.com in the whispers & hidden audio thread over there...I personally think that something...smokey or something, is showing us the flashbacks...that first occured to me after we found the hidden voices in the audio from the autopsy tape in "?". The voices are heard, because we are seeing what something (Smokey?) is viewing within the Losties mind.
It's also been mentioned over there that we see Smokey in every scene...afterall, assuming smokey is made of of tiny particles of some sort that can come together tight enough to have a physical form (for grabbing Locke), then why couldn't he move those particles far enough apart as to not be seen...perhaps Smokey is also the source of the whispers?
And I agree with RichardS...Dave probably doesn't belong in that list, nor would the boar. The boar was real, IMO.
great thread..
rvt
lostboy
05-29-06, 01:25 AM
Even though you annoy me on about three levels, I have to say Vincent = Monster is a very logical theory.
Not sure why I would annoy you, brutha....but carry on.
Jayemel
05-29-06, 01:48 AM
And I agree with RichardS...Dave probably doesn't belong in that list, nor would the boar. The boar was real, IMO.
For me to believe the boar was real, I need evidence to prove that it was. It had a personal vendetta towards Sawyer, was accompanied by the whispers (of Frank Duckett), and was never seen again when Sawyer came to terms with what he did to Duckett.
Maybe the boar was real, but then so was the horse and BOTH were controlled by the monster (if we are indeed being shown things by it).
As for Dave, what was the difference between Dave walking the island and Christian walking the island? Only Jack saw Christian. Only Hurley saw Dave. Christian was the personification of Jack's complex. Dave was th personification of Hurley's complex. Christian led Jack to the caves. Dave led Hurley to Libby.
twilightsun
05-29-06, 02:02 AM
Before I ever visited a LOST forum, I had believed that the monster took the form of something from the losties' subconscious, something fear or anxiety provoking. Like a boggart. Except that Locke and Eko were not afraid of an monster, so they only saw the smoke without it taking another form. I know I'm not the first in the thread to say it, but I just wanted to put it out there that I never doubted it was the case. :)
Jayemel
05-29-06, 02:13 AM
Before I ever visited a LOST forum, I had believed that the monster took the form of something from the losties' subconscious, something fear or anxiety provoking.
I think you need to broaden your verbage there to "emotion provoking." I don't think the horse or boar brought fear or anxiety to Kate or Sawyer.
lostboy
05-29-06, 02:14 AM
Before I ever visited a LOST forum, I had believed that the monster took the form of something from the losties' subconscious, something fear or anxiety provoking. Like a boggart. Except that Locke and Eko were not afraid of an monster, so they only saw the smoke without it taking another form. I know I'm not the first in the thread to say it, but I just wanted to put it out there that I never doubted it was the case. :)
What the bloody hell ya trying to say, sista?
HugoGrim
05-29-06, 03:54 AM
Before I ever visited a LOST forum, I had believed that the monster took the form of something from the losties' subconscious, something fear or anxiety provoking. Like a boggart. Except that Locke and Eko were not afraid of an monster, so they only saw the smoke without it taking another form. I know I'm not the first in the thread to say it, but I just wanted to put it out there that I never doubted it was the case. :)
I had never considered the possibility of different people seeing it differently. Who's to say that Charlie didn't see something different than Ecko in the 23rd Psalm episode? Interesting.
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster."
then maybe I was right when I said they showed it to us in the finale..
not entering the numbers allowed smokie to change, he was becoming a vortice..
then desmond turned the key and screwed everything up.
I still think that smokey was 'sent out' by the real monster, to check out what's going on, and to report back.
IMLOSTRU?
05-29-06, 06:39 AM
A good chance doesnt mean certain...
But i think they were trying to get something across to us.
PsychoDad
05-29-06, 01:05 PM
Im under the impression that Walt is the monster. Subconsciously this sprung out of him due to his troubled life as of recently. Does anyone recall the theory on Poltergeists, theyre said to appear as an offset of a preteen or teen having home problems and not being able to deal with it, its attracted to the rage. And with Walt's "specialness" perhaps he is, while not conciously of course, creating the monster or is the monster.
karate schnitzel
05-29-06, 01:16 PM
I had never considered the possibility of different people seeing it differently. Who's to say that Charlie didn't see something different than Ecko in the 23rd Psalm episode? Interesting.
EKO: Did you see it?
CHARLIE: Yeah, I saw it. What the bloody hell did you do?
EKO: I did nothing.
CHARLIE: Most people, when they see a creature made of swirling black smoke, they run.
EKO: I was not afraid of it.
I'm not disagreeing with the theory it can take different forms, but it seems Charlie saw what Eko saw. (Probably not the visions inside it, but the whole black smoke thing.)
rvturnage
05-29-06, 02:31 PM
For me to believe the boar was real, I need evidence to prove that it was. It had a personal vendetta towards Sawyer, was accompanied by the whispers (of Frank Duckett), and was never seen again when Sawyer came to terms with what he did to Duckett.
Maybe the boar was real, but then so was the horse and BOTH were controlled by the monster (if we are indeed being shown things by it).
It appeared to have a personal vendetta towards Sawyer. He thought it did, and it was presented that way, because most of the show was presented in his point of view. TPTB give us a lot of things, some of which will, IMO, turn out to be coincedence. Perhaps it just liked Sawyers cologne... or he had eaten something, and traces of it were left on his clothes.
The difference between the horse and the boar is that we have seen boars on the island and actually eaten them. They are real. Therefore, to me, the proof leans towards the boar being real.
As for Dave, what was the difference between Dave walking the island and Christian walking the island? Only Jack saw Christian. Only Hurley saw Dave. Christian was the personification of Jack's complex. Dave was th personification of Hurley's complex. Christian led Jack to the caves. Dave led Hurley to Libby.
The differnce between Dave and Christian: Hurley has a history of seeing Dave, off the island. Jack, as far as we know, hasn't sees dead people walking before. Moreover, Dave actually speaks to Hurley. Christian doesn't speak.
While there are arguments to both sides of the question regarding the boars and Dave being on the list, I personally think they were in the show for different reasons, and are not part of the monster. I certainly could be wrong, though.
rvt
Richardstone
05-29-06, 02:46 PM
LOCKE [making coffee]: My sister, Jeanie, died when I was a boy. Fell off the monkey bars and broke her neck. And my mother, well, my foster mother, she blamed herself, of course -- thought she wasn't watching close enough. So, she stopped eating, stopped sleeping. The neighbors started talking, afraid she might do something to herself, I guess. [Sipping coffee] Oh, that's good. Anyway, about 6 months after Jeanie's funeral this golden retriever comes padding up our driveway, walks right into our house, sits down on the floor, and looks right at my mother, there on the couch. And my mother looks back at the dog. After about a minute of this, of them both staring at each other like that, my mother burst into tears. Beautiful dog, no tags, no collar, healthy, and sweet. The dog slept in Jeanie's old room, on Jeanie's old bed and stayed with us until my mother passed 5 years later. Then, disappeared back to wherever it was she came from in the first place.KATE: So, you're saying the dog was your sister?
LOCKE: Well, that would be silly. But my mother thought it was, thought that Jeanie had come back to tell her the accident wasn't her fault, let her off the hook.
Sawyer might believe that this boar had a personal vendetta against him, but as Locke said "that would just be silly"
:)
HugoGrim
05-29-06, 03:36 PM
EKO: Did you see it?
CHARLIE: Yeah, I saw it. What the bloody hell did you do?
EKO: I did nothing.
CHARLIE: Most people, when they see a creature made of swirling black smoke, they run.
EKO: I was not afraid of it.
I'm not disagreeing with the theory it can take different forms, but it seems Charlie saw what Eko saw. (Probably not the visions inside it, but the whole black smoke thing.)
Who's to say Ecko saw swirling black smoke? It is more likely than not what he saw, but we can't simply assume our/charlie's POV is the same as Ecko's. He is a man of few words, so it wouldn't surprise me if he hadn't mentioned to Charlie that he hadn't seen smoke.
Just a possibility.
Jayemel
05-29-06, 04:16 PM
Sawyer might believe that this boar had a personal vendetta against him, but as Locke said "that would just be silly"
That speech by Locke actually gives creedance to the "Vincent is the Monster theory."
Oh, and if the boar and Dave aren't in the same group as Christian on the island and the horse than this entire thread is moot because we just have two explainable events and two random events. There is no pattern. There is no rhyme or reason.
Have a nice day. :)
HugoGrim
05-29-06, 04:22 PM
That speech by Locke actually gives creedance to the "Vincent is the Monster theory."
I would think if anything it gives creedance to Vincent is Boone, or Vincent is someone who died in Walt or Michael's past... but I don't buy either. Vincent is just a regular dog, he's not a smoke monster.
lostboy
05-29-06, 04:41 PM
Vincent is just a regular dog, he's not a smoke monster.
Wanna bet, brutha?
Richardstone
05-29-06, 05:13 PM
That speech by Locke actually gives creedance to the "Vincent is the Monster theory."
Oh, and if the boar and Dave aren't in the same group as Christian on the island and the horse than this entire thread is moot because we just have two explainable events and two random events. There is no pattern. There is no rhyme or reason.
Have a nice day. :)
How does it give credance to that? I'm not seeing it?
I don't see what your saying about making the entire thread moot either, to me Dave and the boar have been explained, the other stuff, Kate's horse, Jack's dad, has'nt?
They could all be the smoke monster, but IMO there are fairly convincing arguments and reasons for Dave and the boar to be left off the list of unexplainable visions and general weirdness...
athywithak
05-29-06, 06:38 PM
As for Dave, what was the difference between Dave walking the island and Christian walking the island? Only Jack saw Christian. Only Hurley saw Dave. Christian was the personification of Jack's complex. Dave was th personification of Hurley's complex. Christian led Jack to the caves. Dave led Hurley to Libby.
Also Christian and Dave both initially led their respective followers to a cliff.
A good chance doesnt mean certain...
Does the good chance refer to the idea that some of us, the goofy internet discussion dwellers, DID KNOW we were seeing the monster? In other words, there is a good chance the majority of listeners to the podcast did not think smokie was the monster? One cannot tell if TPTB are refering to smokie or to something else entirely by this quote. Anyone got a link to full context without me having to actually listen to a podcast?
If the havids are from the monster or are the monster, we have to explain why they sometimes seem to drive 815s in different directions: off a cliff but then to water.
-K
justafan
05-29-06, 06:57 PM
Im under the impression that Walt is the monster. Subconsciously this sprung out of him due to his troubled life as of recently. Does anyone recall the theory on Poltergeists, theyre said to appear as an offset of a preteen or teen having home problems and not being able to deal with it, its attracted to the rage. And with Walt's "specialness" perhaps he is, while not conciously of course, creating the monster or is the monster.
could be...or could be not ...there are so many hints to Walt's "specialness" that this could be a good theory. difficult to tell for sure, though.
twilightsun
05-29-06, 07:29 PM
I think you need to broaden your verbage there to "emotion provoking." I don't think the horse or boar brought fear or anxiety to Kate or Sawyer.
Fair enough. :)
Since Hurley saw Dave off the island, I'm going to assume that it really was his mind playing tricks on him again and not the monster. Jack never saw his dad off the island....well, dead off the island...
As for the horse, couldn't it be like the polar bear, part of that zoology experiment Dharma was doing?
Jack did see his dad dead. When he was at the morgue in Sydney, where he had to identify him.
The black smoke tricked Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley. They thought they were seeing Sayid's signal but it was really the monster!!!!!
This is what I thought was going on too. The smoke looked a little funny/ unnatural to me. Then I just figured it was a digital effect that looked a little weird. But they never actually showed Sayid making the fire, and it seemed to happen pretty fast for such a big fire. I also question if Sayid would have felt like the camp area was secure. Wouldn't he be suspiscious that it was deserted?
Well this is possible as we know the monster is a type of 'Surveillance System'. It could of seen then, and heard them, and for some unknown reason, misdirected them.
But then again, it was probably Sayid, and Michael could of been leading them to a 'fake' camp.
But then again, again, there could be two camps, also with the same rock figure, to mislead any intruders. Or they could of all been at the dock area, and that's why there was no-one at the camp.
The numbers made me do it
05-30-06, 02:03 PM
I have a feeling that there is something to that bird that Hurley thought said his name. He will have a long walk back by himself, thinking he is probably going to have another run in with it.
Mitch
Fancy Monkey
05-30-06, 02:22 PM
I'll go on record as guessing it's the vision of Yemi in Locke's dream in "?" For a split-second at the top of the cliff it seemed like he "sparked" in the same way the black smoke did when it scanned Eko in The 23rd Psalm.
HugoGrim
05-30-06, 02:25 PM
I'll go on record as guessing it's the vision of Yemi in Locke's dream in "?" For a split-second at the top of the cliff it seemed like he "sparked" in the same way the black smoke did when it scanned Eko in The 23rd Psalm.
Yemi was in a wheelchair in that vision also... that could be a clue.
I like the idea that it appears differently to different people at any given time.
lostchild
05-30-06, 02:33 PM
Perhaps they mean it was:
Jacks Dad
Kates Horse
*Dave*
ect...
jmb3rg3r
05-30-06, 03:09 PM
The cap below is from ?. It's the first split-second flash Eko sees after Ana tells him to help John. Is this a scene from another episode? I am pretty sure it isn't....
http://lost.egoplex.com/smokie.jpg
It was probably in The Other 48 Days...or just a scene removed from The Other 48 Days
jmb3rg3r
05-30-06, 03:16 PM
Actually I was just about to ETA. It is similar to a scene in 48 Days, but from looking at LOST-MEDIA.com, I don't see any black smoke in those scenes, just white and gray. Dunno.....
lostmarbles
05-30-06, 03:28 PM
Well, Saywer saw Kate's horse, didn't he? I think the monster is not a "shape-shifter"(heehee). But more on the Vincent theory.... Remember the story Eko told, about the DOG waiting for him in Hell?
OK I'm assuming everyone knows the tie-in with the Hanso Foundation commercials. A very faint credit appears on the screen, superimposed at the beginning of the commercial stating "paid for by monster.com" I think this is the monster being refered to.
Hurley4Prez
05-30-06, 03:49 PM
It's the Network.
echoes_of_vain_endeavors
05-30-06, 05:10 PM
OK I'm assuming everyone knows the tie-in with the Hanso Foundation commercials. A very faint credit appears on the screen, superimposed at the beginning of the commercial stating "paid for by monster.com" I think this is the monster being refered to.
No. It. Is. Not.
Did you notice that the other commercials were paid for by Sprite, Jeep, ect?
Monster.com is a network.
Echos ....,
The other commercials are from actual companies that really exist. The Hanso Foundation career page is "powered by Monster" and is a psuedo company intimately tied into this program.
jmb3rg3r
05-30-06, 07:13 PM
Monster.com is a real jobs web site that has been around for years, long before Lost.
HugoGrim
05-30-06, 07:22 PM
Monster.com is a real jobs web site that has been around for years, long before Lost.
Exactly. How did it take that long for someone to post this.
lostboy
05-30-06, 07:25 PM
The overall IQ level of this board scares me sometimes.
im not sure if i totally agree with the vincent=monster theory, but if it is the case, vincent=monster could have been filling in the others with info about the losties. i dont know, i do think its interesting, though.
cali_kid112
05-30-06, 09:16 PM
I think Vincent being the monster is a bit ridiculous to me. Why hasn't he bit anyone or done any type pf "monster" activities...
techiedavid
06-02-06, 06:40 PM
I believe the 'dreams' from the ? episode that Mr. Eko and John Locke had were actually the monster. They both had previous contact with the monster and maybe it made them predisposed to more communication.
Lemur Femur
06-02-06, 06:54 PM
No. It. Is. Not.
Did you notice that the other commercials were paid for by Sprite, Jeep, ect?
Monster.com is a network.
Yeah, I don't think this is the monster on the island..
http://www.allthehitsq100.com/contests/Monster/trumplogo.jpg
SuperDave
06-02-06, 07:50 PM
Good thread.
It IS very coincidental about Vincent in the very first scene of the Pilot (Season 1) looking at Jack.
Different characters to different viewers? Interesting.
I put a thread out here about the seen where Zeke told his "people" to "light 'em up!" to show Jack and crew Zeke out numbered them, BUT, after they laid down their guns and Zeke picked them up ALL the torches went out simultaneously (with the weird smokey effect). Can the monster be used to create the illusion that Zeke actuall did outnumber Jack and crew?
Just throwin it out there. But do review that scene in Season 2, I guarantee you'll see the smoke, and not digital smoke from the torches being extinguished. Why even have the seen of torches being extinguished?
If I had to guess I'd say it was the apparition of a dripping wet Walt that was talking backwards which Shannon, and possibly Sayid, saw in the jungle.
This loosely fits with what we were shown when Eko encountered it. Referring of course to the images from his past.
rvturnage
06-08-06, 12:36 AM
from Gregg Nations, script coordinator:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51790
Yes, I know what they meant. They are kind of devilish to put that hint out there like that, aren't they? I can give you a further hint: they are referring to an espisode after "The 23rd Psalm." That was episode 10, so it's basically in the second half of the season. Good luck finding it. And enjoy rewatching the episodes.
rvt
hooplakick
06-08-06, 05:43 AM
Good thread.
It IS very coincidental about Vincent in the very first scene of the Pilot (Season 1) looking at Jack.
Different characters to different viewers? Interesting.
I put a thread out here about the seen where Zeke told his "people" to "light 'em up!" to show Jack and crew Zeke out numbered them, BUT, after they laid down their guns and Zeke picked them up ALL the torches went out simultaneously (with the weird smokey effect). Can the monster be used to create the illusion that Zeke actuall did outnumber Jack and crew?
Just throwin it out there. But do review that scene in Season 2, I guarantee you'll see the smoke, and not digital smoke from the torches being extinguished. Why even have the seen of torches being extinguished?
But didn't we see in "Three Minutes" that Zeke (now known as Tom) said "prepare the torches" to Pickett, intimating that the torches were a setup by this group of "others"?
Without Dane
06-08-06, 06:23 AM
true.
I still think that the smoke is actually a part of this security system. It is like a 'spy' which keeps surveillence on the island.
Originally Posted by plokij
I still think that the smoke is actually a part of this security system. It is like a 'spy' which keeps surveillence on the island.
Kind of like that white bubble in The Prisoner! I guess it's job now is either obsolete or abandoned, like most of the hatches have been.
IamColossus
06-08-06, 12:58 PM
In the Podcast after the season 2 finale this was said:
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster."
This could mean several things:
*The smoke is not the monster.
*The smoke is actually a sub-monster.
*The monster is someone in the pearl hatch. i.e. A security system.
*That bird that Hurley thought said his name is the monster.
What do you guys think?
I can't think of anything else that could eventually be the monster.
Oh, and they also said that we will realise what they mean by this statement by the end of next season.
With all of this talk of the monster changing forms and being Vincent, Walt, etc., what about the baby? Let's be honest, a lot of people probably thought the baby might be horribly disfigured or worse when it was in Claire's stomach. Claire thought the baby was dead after the crash and "came to life" and started kicking again. Also Ethan injected her baby with an unknown substance. Remember when the psychic gave her a reading? He said he saw a blurry thing, I'm not sure if he was refering directly to the baby or not. Have we seen the black smoke since the baby was born? The baby looks fine right now, but that might not last very long.
I hope the baby is not the monster, that would be a disturbing and creepy turn of events for the show.
I don't see the baby being the monster. According to RVT, the monster we're looking for appeared in episode 11 of season 2 or later...we saw the baby way before that.
Sadly, I guess Dave was the monster. (Or that smoking cigarette Damon pointed out in the Pearl Hatch!)
rvturnage
06-08-06, 01:38 PM
I don't see the baby being the monster. According to RVT, the monster we're looking for appeared in episode 11 of season 2 or later...we saw the baby way before that.
Sadly, I guess Dave was the monster. (Or that smoking cigarette Damon pointed out in the Pearl Hatch!)
Well, technically, it's according to Gregg Nations, I'm just the messenger :)
The smoking cigarette..THAT would be funny. Smokey's sittin' there watchin' the Losties, having a good time...got some tunes on...then hear's that frakkin plane being moved off the top of his house...what can he do...where can he go...
and he turns into a smoking cig...would have been better if it were a stogie, though
IamColossus
06-08-06, 01:54 PM
Well, technically, it's according to Gregg Nations, I'm just the messenger :)
The smoking cigarette..THAT would be funny. Smokey's sittin' there watchin' the Losties, having a good time...got some tunes on...then hear's that frakkin plane being moved off the top of his house...what can he do...where can he go...
and he turns into a smoking cig...would have been better if it were a stogie, though
Who is Gregg Nations? If we know for sure that the monster is seen in episode 11 of season 2 or later, that would really narrow it down.
Richardstone
06-08-06, 02:00 PM
Who is Gregg Nations? If we know for sure that the monster is seen in episode 11 of season 2 or later, that would really narrow it down.
Gregg Nations is the Script Coordinator for LOST, one of TPTB...
I think he said after the 23rd Psalm because that was the first episode where we definitely saw the monster, in an episode or maybe episodes after that we may have ben looking at the monster and not known it...
Bob Sacamano
06-08-06, 02:10 PM
It seems far too obvious, but Fenry's first appeared in Episode 14.
Second half we saw Fenry, Dave, the return of "Dark Charlie," Ms Klugh...who the heck knows what it could be!
I would go with the giant black rock behind Kate and Jack when they go out to "the line" the second time. That thing just seemed totally out of place and like they wanted us to see it and wonder what the significance was.
I believe there was a thread about it. Someone also pointed out that there are no natural rocks like that just lying around in hawaii. Just throwing it out there.
rvturnage
06-08-06, 06:37 PM
Thanks for the heads up Zeke...I must have totally missed that thread (and the rock)..here's a link to the thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17598&page=8&highlight=black+NEAR+rock+Jack+Kate+clearing).
There's caps on the second page, i think...it does look large and out of place. That's interesting...that to me seems the best contender so far for the monster being seen but not recognized...
rvt
ETA: Check this out...another point for Smokey being the rock in SOS:
from S1 "Special":
JACK: What is that?
CHARLIE: It's Claire's, her diary.
SAYID: You're reading her diary?
CHARLIE: Yeah, I know, I'm bloody scum. Just listen to this. "I had that weird dream again, the one with the black rock I can't get away from. I try to leave it but it won't let me."
Hrmm, interesting. And when Charlie read that we, the viewers, and they the castaways, didn't know the black rock was a priate ship, so I wonder what kind of rock Claire was dreaming about?
Oh, I guess a black one. :D
Oddly, I like the idea of that black rock being the monster more than I like Dave or Fenry being the monster.
The monster as "rock" just makes me think about Galaxy Quest.
Rick James
06-08-06, 09:06 PM
"It was inside-out and it exploded"
Not just as a rock...disguised as a rock!
Wait, I just realized how completely lame that sounded.
Yeah, smokey's no Peter Sellers.
It's too disturbing to think that TPTB have shown smokey somehwere else and we didn't catch it. Therefore, it must be the most obvious thing, and most likely, dumbest thing, ever.
Well in the podcast they said that you have seen it but just not realised it. Meaning that it can't be smokey, and it must have been clear to the viewers, just no one picked it up.
Sweet Doo
06-08-06, 09:27 PM
It's too disturbing to think that TPTB have shown smokey somehwere else and we didn't catch it. Therefore, it must be the most obvious thing, and most likely, dumbest thing, ever.
Agreed.
artemisia14
06-08-06, 09:37 PM
Tree. Frog.
RIP
Sweet Doo
06-09-06, 12:32 AM
She thinks the tree frog was the monster.
artemisia14
06-09-06, 01:18 AM
Well. the "character", Tree Frog, has not been explored in a long time. It was a bizarre and puzzling 20 minutes spent on this little guy. Who knows the ways of TPTB?
Sigh.
Sweet Doo. I am a girl (if you were referring to me)
I wonder if they rehearse those podcasts. They seem to be designed to give nothing out really. They just tantalize their fans with more riddles.
Sweet Doo
06-09-06, 01:19 AM
Well. the "character", Tree Frog, has not been explored in a long time. It was a bizarre and puzzling 20 minutes spent on this little guy. Who knows the ways of TPTB?
Sigh.
Sweet Doo. I am a girl (if you were referring to me)
I wonder if they rehearse those podcasts. They seem to be designed to give nothing out really. They just tantalize there fans with more riddles.
Sorry, my bad.
Oh, my mistake, really the tree frog? He kinda died in the end...
And Sweet Doo, look at her name-I coulda told you she was a girl!
Well that's nice to know, that Sawyer killed the monster which took the pilot out of the plane. Using only 1 hand!!!
maybe it was the black smoke in the finale, they never showed Sayid ligting any fires. That or the real black rock.
krazycp
06-09-06, 02:02 PM
I vote black smoke in finale.
I vote black smoke in finale.
I disagree. I think it was about 4 or 6 episodes before the finale. They would of emphasised the smoke more if it had much significance.
What about Bea, or Ms. Klugh as a possibility? Was the debate ever solved over whether or not she was supposed to be the woman that Smokey showed Eko?
Mike_311
06-09-06, 04:25 PM
LOCKE [making coffee]: My sister, Jeanie, died when I was a boy. Fell off the monkey bars and broke her neck. And my mother, well, my foster mother, she blamed herself, of course -- thought she wasn't watching close enough. So, she stopped eating, stopped sleeping. The neighbors started talking, afraid she might do something to herself, I guess. [Sipping coffee] Oh, that's good. Anyway, about 6 months after Jeanie's funeral this golden retriever comes padding up our driveway, walks right into our house, sits down on the floor, and looks right at my mother, there on the couch. And my mother looks back at the dog. After about a minute of this, of them both staring at each other like that, my mother burst into tears. Beautiful dog, no tags, no collar, healthy, and sweet. The dog slept in Jeanie's old room, on Jeanie's old bed and stayed with us until my mother passed 5 years later. Then, disappeared back to wherever it was she came from in the first place.
Not get off topic, but I just realised this, but didn't Locke spend his life in a foster home, he didn't even know who his mother was until she was paid to find him for Copper...
Mike, it was his foster mom.
What I'm wondering is how he made coffee in season 1 when they were hatchless...I don't remember that part too well, I guess he just used a fire and did it the old fashion way. But that doesn't sound too great, but according to him the coffee tastes good.
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Mike_311
06-09-06, 07:34 PM
oops, I completely ignored that line...
sorry about the thread jack...
unclepat
06-09-06, 09:26 PM
It may have been the polar bear. It acted like a security device too. I don't think the smoke monster is Hanso-Widmore technology which means it may have been created by the ancient race (TOES) that inhabited the Island. The ancient race programmed a spiritual component into the smoke monster. Eko went eyeball to eyeball with it and wasn't harmed. The fail-safe key was turned for love. That device had a spiritual component too.
Originally Posted by unclepat
It may have been the polar bear. It acted like a security device too. I don't think the smoke monster is Hanso-Widmore technology which means it may have been created by the ancient race (TOES) that inhabited the Island. The ancient race programmed a spiritual component into the smoke monster. Eko went eyeball to eyeball with it and wasn't harmed. The fail-safe key was turned for love. That device had a spiritual component too.
Information overload!
So where do you think we saw the monster when we didn't see the monster???
katietoe
06-10-06, 02:24 AM
Read carefully what was said: "There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster."
"Good chance" to me means that it was not something really obvious that everyone was intended to see like the smoke, Vincent, the horse, etc. It was something less obvious. Tree frog? As crazy as that sounds... did the monster ever appear again after Sawyer killed the frog?
Also, the words "this year" are used, referring to season 2. So stuff from season 1 is out.
However, from season 1, Locke was approached by the monster and looked right at it. He then said something to the effect: "It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen." I think that's a big hint. And I guess this would eliminate the tree frog!
We already know to look after the episode The 23rd Psalm, which narrows it down. I know your new Katietoe, but please try to read over the whole thread carefully.
Sweet Doo
06-10-06, 02:36 AM
Just to be redundant, cause that's what I do, here's a list of the episodes after the 23rd psalm, to be redundant, 'cause that's what I do:
The Hunting Party
Fire + Water- My money's on one of the dream sequences in this.
The Long Con
One Of Them
Maternity Leave
The Whole Truth
Lockedown
Dave
S.O.S.
Two For The Road
?
Three Minutes
Live Together, Die Alone
I forgot about those dream sequences! Those were trippy too, and if I remember correctly there was some hidden stuff in them already.
I don't think that it appeared in dreams.
longlostluvr
06-10-06, 02:56 PM
Would that also include havids???
athywithak
06-10-06, 06:09 PM
Looking at the screen caps in the black rock thread I swear I see a monkey face in that big black rock (over Jack's shoulder, lower part of rock)
But I still think monster is linked to havids, there are some great T&S threads on that. So my money is on Dave.
K
Ironwulvt Swornd
06-10-06, 07:07 PM
Just a thought....
Based just off the podcast comment of "There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster." doesnt necessarily mean we saw it in the show....
Perhaps the monster is Joop post experiments gone awry
Or maybe this is like Dharma, they are psychological experiments.
Timmymagic
06-18-06, 10:02 PM
a bit far feched and someone has most prob already mentioned it but is it possible that the monster could be joop im sure many of us have seen the hanso website this year and they did loads of test on joop right?
Someone two posts above you said that.
I'm not buying that the monster is Joop-I'm sure Cuse meant in the show, not the webmaze.
hkrause
06-20-06, 04:09 PM
For those considering that the black rocks (the big one at "the line" and possibly the ones that Bernard was gathering) might be the monster...
What if the black rocks that we've seen are just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. They are an obvious and visible part of the island structure. Maybe the island itself is the monster.
IamColossus
06-20-06, 10:21 PM
For those considering that the black rocks (the big one at "the line" and possibly the ones that Bernard was gathering) might be the monster...
What if the black rocks that we've seen are just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. They are an obvious and visible part of the island structure. Maybe the island itself is the monster.
Funny you said that. I noticed from some of the overhead maps of the island that the two mountain ranges looked like the backbones of two fish.
I am not sure if the maps are of the real island filming is taking place on or if they were of the fictitious Lost island however.
hkrause
06-21-06, 02:23 PM
Funny you said that. I noticed from some of the overhead maps of the island that the two mountain ranges looked like the backbones of two fish.
I am not sure if the maps are of the real island filming is taking place on or if they were of the fictitious Lost island however.
I'm sure it's fictitious. Aren't they filming on Oahu?
I'm sure it's fictitious. Aren't they filming on Oahu?
Yep. They are.
r.hyythloday
06-21-06, 09:10 PM
perhaps the monster can be seen in the fake hanso commercial? this would fit the "didn't realize" or whatever category.
rvturnage
06-24-06, 03:08 PM
perhaps the monster can be seen in the fake hanso commercial? this would fit the "didn't realize" or whatever category.
Sadly, that is very true. IMO that would suck, but it is true.
rvt
So they're really talking about the bloody commercials? These PTB are off of their rockers. Has that been confirmed rvt?
rvturnage
06-24-06, 09:29 PM
So they're really talking about the bloody commercials? These PTB are off of their rockers. Has that been confirmed rvt?
LOL no, no, no...I'm saying, it's true that the commercials would fit the criteria of being after 23Psalm and we certainly wouldn't have realized it. It certainly would suck it that were the case. I doubt was...
rvt
winkwinknudgenudge
06-24-06, 10:02 PM
Perhaps it is related to the "dispersal" the executing of the numbers deals with. Too bad we can't calculate if it shows up on the island every 108mins. Perhaps we were not shown the "monster" but where it originates?
joepa15425
06-24-06, 10:44 PM
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vonnegut
06-24-06, 11:33 PM
I would hate to say post whore.
rvturnage
06-24-06, 11:36 PM
Perhaps it is related to the "dispersal" the executing of the numbers deals with. Too bad we can't calculate if it shows up on the island every 108mins. Perhaps we were not shown the "monster" but where it originates?
Or perhaps the pretty lights in the sky after the abort key was turned by Desmond...the sun shining through ole smokey as he was dispersed into the sky...
rvt
cherrysodaskye
06-25-06, 01:34 AM
I'm sure this has been brought up before...but what if we've "seen" the monster because it (the smoke/tree-lifting/whatever the monster really is) is being controlled by somebody. What if, instead...we met the character controlling it (one of the Others? Desmond? or...in my best guess...Danielle? (she said there are "no such things as monsters").
I'm not sure I really believe this...but it is an option...
my ideas are that the monster is the smoke mainly but it can change to things ie. jack's dad, boar, polar bear, shark, hurleybird, horse. I'm not too sure that the polar bear and the shark should be counted because they have ties to dharma. the shark had the tattoo and the polar bear was alluded to be mentioned in the blast door map (something to do with massive climate changes) also. the proof that I have that the smoke is it's main form is that it was seen in this form in exodus. not just the part with the whispy form but with the black smoke too. freeze frame the part where you see jack's ankle being dragged towards the pit. you can see thick black smoke wrapped around locke's socks. heh I just made a rhyme I wish I could do that all the time.
I don't think that the monster can be the polar bear, because it was killed. Therefore, the monster weould be killed.
cherrysodaskye
06-26-06, 01:57 PM
i agree...i think the polar bears and the shark are left-over from dharma's zoological experiments. i think they're entirely real.
We already know to look after the episode The 23rd Psalm, which narrows it down
There were no sharks, polar bears, or horses after that episode.
Yes, which eliminates basically all animals. Except Vincent, and that weird bird that supposedly called out Hurley's name.
And the frog.
And Dave.
But I don't think either of these were the monster.
That black rock is looking better all the time.
About the monster:
It's definitely something physical, shakes trees, jerks pilot out and up, pulls Locke into hole. Makes a mechanical clanking sound.
lf it turns out to be smoke, hallucinogen, or mental projection, I will be very disappointed. No fair.
yeah, plus kate is the polar bear and charlie is the black rock.
winkwinknudgenudge
07-04-06, 12:32 AM
Or perhaps the pretty lights in the sky after the abort key was turned by Desmond...the sun shining through ole smokey as he was dispersed into the sky...
rvt
Well, RTV...Whatever.
But we won't know if the "Monster" has been/or will be altered in anyway
until it makes an appearance in Season 3...so, shooting down my idea or anyone elses really isn't helpful or constructive. Is it?
Or did I misunderstand your response?
Mysterious Mike
07-04-06, 12:48 AM
I think he was trying to be sarcastic , which sometimes doesn't translate very well on a message board.
rvturnage
07-05-06, 02:18 PM
No, I was being quite serious...I've always heard one reason LA has such beautiful sunsets is the smog reflecting the sunlight in interesting ways. What if the pretty lights in the sky was Smokey being dispersed out into the sky, and relfelecting the suns rays.
I personally believe that smokey is something akin to nanites, and that controlled magnetic waves allow it to hold shape and move. If turning the key on the abort thing caused a rapid and powerful outward blast of magnetic energy, and smokey was in the area, then perhaps "he" was thrown out, much like the hatch door.
Sorry if you misunderstood me...I try not to insult, and always try to use smiley's when being sarcastic...
rvt
Hmm...so the monster was either the real black rock, light, Dave, or the Hurley Bird.
Well I'm certainly :confused:
Garden of Eden
07-06-06, 09:24 AM
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster."
lets break it down:
"good chance" - This implies we couldn't have seen "it" more than once after the "23rd Psalm", otherwise it would be "chances".
"saw the monster this year" - Vague, at best. Not referring to any particular episode, or the show for that matter. "it" could've appeared in any TV interview, the "Hanso" advertisements, web-maze sites, or even in TV magazines (this would also make sense because 23rd Psalm was the first 2006 episode, so TPTB could be referring to something published between Jan and May 2006).
"didn't realize you were looking at the monster"- It was something mundane, something that was prominent and obvious but also likely to be overlooked in the "context" it was shown.
What it could be (meeting or at least NOT contradicting any of the above criteria" :
1. the black rock at "the line" where Jack and Kate demand Walt's return
2. the "smoke pillar" in the Finale
3. the tree frog
4. Joop, the orangutan
5. The "purple" sky
6. The "Hurley" Bird
What it isn't:
1. Vincent (he's been there thru out both seasons)
2. Dave (no other losties "saw" him). Plus, he's also a hallucination in Hurley's FB
3. Danielle (same reason as Vincent)
4. Fenry (in multiple episodes, thus, the word "chance" would not have been used in the statement, cuz we definitely DID see him)
My final thoughts:
It hasn't been mentioned on this thread but I urge you to think of Libby/Desmond:
1. We never saw her FB
2. She's in Hurley's and Desmond's FB, playing very different roles and I believe, with different hair colour
3. She dies before Desmond get's back to the Island (Imagine the re-union they would've had)....which seems to imply that Desmond and Libby cannot "occupy" the same space....Desmond flees before Libby arrives at the Fusie's camp and Libby dies before Desmond come's back. And yet, they "meet" each other in his FB..still not sure what that means, if anything...a faulty "implanted" memory....or perhaps, Libby is a manifestation of Desmond's subconscious..like Kate's horse or Jack's father or Dave...
4. Libby "saves" Hurley from taking the plunge at the nick of time AND helps Claire "recover" her lost memory...almost as if she is some sort of "conduit" of the island.
Am I saying Libby is the monster? maybe. it contradicts my own breakdown but makes the whole premise quite interesting no? Or atleast, she is a byproduct of the monster...hmmm
rvturnage
07-06-06, 01:48 PM
Am I saying Libby is the monster? maybe. it contradicts my own breakdown but makes the whole premise quite interesting no? Or atleast, she is a byproduct of the monster...hmmm
While I think this is a great idea, you're forgetting the further "clarification" that Gregg Nations made at the fueselage-- that they were referring to an episode after 23 Psalm...and we obviously saw both Libby & Desomond before that.
Too bad. It was a great thought.
rvt
Libby as the monster? As interesting as it is, I don't think I would've liked it. I'm hoping we get more information on her in season 3.
Nice breakdown, though, Garden of Eden!
mitchesm
09-11-06, 02:28 AM
The producers have said that, at some point in the second season we saw the smoke, but we didn't realize what it was? The only thing that made sense to me was that it had something to do with Walt's appearances in the jungle. What do you guys think?
Mysterious Mike
09-11-06, 04:06 AM
It was the stobor.
Without Dane
09-11-06, 04:12 AM
Agreed. It manifests itself in many shapes.
The producers have said that, at some point in the second season we saw the smoke, but we didn't realize what it was? The only thing that made sense to me was that it had something to do with Walt's appearances in the jungle. What do you guys think?
I think all of the manifestations the various characters have observed in the jungle have been the smoke/mist/monster/security system/whatever in action.
Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Walt, Dave, the voices, etc.
Mysterious Mike
09-11-06, 04:25 AM
Thats what the stobor is.
Mysterious Mike
09-11-06, 04:28 AM
Some stobor reading material for those who may not know what that term means.
Stobor and Tunnel in the Sky (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7776&highlight=stobor)
A thought about thoughts (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17235)
tiggertank
09-11-06, 03:42 PM
I can agree with many of the "appearances" on the Island being caused by Smokey, but what about the pilot/co-pilot who got ripped from the plane's windshield in the jungle?? And why did Locke look "up" at it where Ecko merely looked it straight in the "eye."
Richardstone
09-11-06, 05:26 PM
I think all of the manifestations the various characters have observed in the jungle have been the smoke/mist/monster/security system/whatever in action.
Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Walt, Dave, the voices, etc.
Hmm, I'm not sure I'm keen on having one explanation for all that?
Jack's dad - Maybe, I just have no real idea about Christian Shepard on the island, where's the body? Why did we see one of his shoes right at the start? There's definitely a case that the black smoke
Kate's Horse - This is a definite possibility, Sawyer saw it too, only question is....why?
Walt - It was either Walt or the smoke......I'm gonna vote Walt for now, again I wonder about why appear as Walt to Shannon? Why not appear as Boone?
Dave - Dave's not here man, I think this was just Hugo's illness, if you think Dave had the same idea on the island and in Santa Rosa, "Let's get outta here amigo". I can't think why the monster would want Hurley dead but I'm pretty sure, with all the time on his hands, Hurley has considered every Sci-Fi angle that we have, the dude plays D&D and reads Comic Books, what Dave said to Hurley could definitely be Hurley's subconscious desire to get off the island manifest, just as his desire to get out the hospital did.
The Voices - I have no idea about these....I find it interesting that the tailies heard the whispers at the same time when Shannon saw Walt and Cindy went missing, potentially linking the smoke, the others, the whispers and WAAAAAAAALLLLLTTT!!!
Maybe while The Others were out on a kidnapping mission (for the possibly pregnant Cindy, was Claire back by then? Maybe "he" demanded a replacement) Walt took the opportunity to warn someone about the button and The Others plans to stop it being pushed...
:confused:
I was mainly thinking that the [THING]'s ability to read memories and thoughts is what enabled it to get people to respond. It knows what people's triggers are. It knew that Hurley would react strongly to Dave, that Kate would react strongly to the Horse, Jack to his Dad, etc.
mitchesm
09-12-06, 03:12 AM
Has anyone noticed that all apparitions have been people who are already dead (or at least who we don't know to be alive)? Jack's Dad: Dead. Ana Lucia: Dead. Walt: Maybe dead. The Horse: Maybe dead. Dave: Certainly not alive. I know it's not ironclad, but it is very interesting.
Smartypants
09-12-06, 03:19 AM
How is Walt dead?
Son of Locke
09-12-06, 03:23 AM
Has anyone noticed that all apparitions have been people who are already dead ... The Horse: Maybe dead.Ahem. Please don't count your black horses before they hatch...
rvturnage
09-12-06, 04:11 PM
There's a thread where we discussed this back in June/July...I posted in that thread a little more info recieved from Gregg Nations about what TPTB said...
from Gregg Nations, script coordinator:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51790
Yes, I know what they meant. They are kind of devilish to put that hint out there like that, aren't they? I can give you a further hint: they are referring to an espisode after "The 23rd Psalm." That was episode 10, so it's basically in the second half of the season. Good luck finding it. And enjoy rewatching the episodes.
Now, I know this is out there, and will tick a lot of folks off, but my guess on seeing it but not realizing we saw it is based on my belief that Smokey is something akin to Nanites, controlled by magnetic fields, and that the purple color in the sky we saw at the end of the finale was Smokeys tiny nanites being thrown out into the atmosphere, much like the hatch door was. Like the Smog in LA helps create nice sunsets by reflecting the sunlight, Smokey was reflecting the suns rays to cause that pretty purple hue.
rvt
PS here's the old thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21005) if a Mod wishes to merge.
Oh, and unless that was a Zombie in the Season Finale, Walt ain't dead. Good try, though. :)
Thanks for the link rvt. Merging.
Sic Semper Tyranus
09-13-06, 07:59 PM
I can agree with many of the "appearances" on the Island being caused by Smokey, but what about the pilot/co-pilot who got ripped from the plane's windshield in the jungle?? And why did Locke look "up" at it where Ecko merely looked it straight in the "eye."
If I remeber correctly, Locke was flat on his back when he was looking at Frank(Smoky). But if you're refering to the other time, keep in mind that Frank is seemingly unaffected by gravity, therefore, it could have been coming over a hill or something and would therefore go up and over it. so in other words it could be at eye level one moment, and rase up to 17 feet in the air the next moment.
Without Dane
09-13-06, 10:46 PM
Now, I know this is out there, and will tick a lot of folks off, but my guess on seeing it but not realizing we saw it is based on my belief that Smokey is something akin to Nanites, controlled by magnetic fields, and that the purple color in the sky we saw at the end of the finale was Smokeys tiny nanites being thrown out into the atmosphere, much like the hatch door was. Like the Smog in LA helps create nice sunsets by reflecting the sunlight, Smokey was reflecting the suns rays to cause that pretty purple hue.
This is an awesome thought! I don't know why other people haven't been talking about the fact that if Smokey is in fact controlled the way people have been speculating (magnetically) then the blast in the hatch would have had some kind of effect on him. Great thinking. They could open the premiere with a shot of Smokey reforming.
KingSky
09-14-06, 04:02 AM
I think the 'smoke' monster was the smoke rising up from the fire planted by Danielle to make them think the others were coming.
I know this has been 'vaguely' mentioned before (once) but I think it is the correct explanation.
Obviously, its smoke, lol.
Beyond that, Danielle was at the beach for a few days and the fire never let up, which would be silly without some help.
We wouldn't have expected that to be the smoke monster, simply because, heck, its smoke.
Any comments?
Without Dane
09-14-06, 04:28 AM
Wel, interesting idea - but they said that it appeared in the second half of Season 2.
island_maverick
09-14-06, 05:17 AM
Javi...
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32133
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=31254
Just read Javi's comment in the first link -
"the monster does not appear anywhere in the pilot or in the other 48 days as a manifestation of black smoke."
- which does not mean smokey doesn't appear at all in those episodes. He just doesn't appear as a black smoke.
shands99
09-14-06, 11:29 AM
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/...ad.php?t=51790 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51790)
Yes, I know what they meant. They are kind of devilish to put that hint out there like that, aren't they? I can give you a further hint: they are referring to an espisode after "The 23rd Psalm." That was episode 10, so it's basically in the second half of the season. Good luck finding it. And enjoy rewatching the episodes.
Sometyhing must happen in "The 23rd Psalm" that defines the logical barrier. It may well be worth working this out to help solve the mystery.
Richardstone
09-14-06, 12:01 PM
The 23rd Psalm is where we got our first good look at the monster and a glimps of what it might be able to do...
I like that Gregg gave us a time frame to work within, I feel Javi's comment could be interpreted, as island_maverick interpreted it, to mean smokey could have been in the pilot in another form...
I can accept that, I'm just wary that they can use it to explain away any potential weirdness...
"Oh yeah, that was the monster"
If it was after The 23rd Psalm, what about Kate's Horse the episode before?
It's not something that troubles me to any great extent, if TPTB made a minor mistake then that's OK, just so long as they don't start retrospectively explaining stuff with "the monster"
This would make me think again about Eko & Yemi on the island...
Eko was looking for his brother but found the smoke, pretty near The Pearl. He finds his brother, takes the cross and burns the beechcraft. HE begins to build a church because someone "told him" and then a few days later Yemi comes looking for Eko with massages about the mission in The Swan being in danger...
I think this is the strongest candidate IMO so far and itwould place the smoke monster and TAFKAHenry Gale on opposite sides, which is one of the themes of the show, two sides, one light one dark, etc...
It (monster) was the giant statue (what was left of it). It was missing a toe or something... i cant recall it right now. I dont mean that that statue was the actual monster but rather it's representation. So in reality we saw what the monster looked like (in part) and never realized what we were looking at.
First post here so if its already been dismissed sorry i did do some looking to see if it had but Eko is looking at the parachute and in the background on the right is a yellow object which i always thought was the plane but i cant be because the plane is laying flat so its either a very wierd tree or i am seeing things
episode 10 "23rd psalm" 20 mins and 41 seconds
lostchild
10-16-06, 09:05 PM
First post here so if its already been dismissed sorry i did do some looking to see if it had but Eko is looking at the parachute and in the background on the right is a yellow object which i always thought was the plane but i cant be because the plane is laying flat so its either a very wierd tree or i am seeing things
episode 10 "23rd psalm" 20 mins and 41 seconds
Yep strange, that looks CGI'ed to me
Verite Garde
10-16-06, 09:26 PM
Great thread that I plan to read in more depth later, but for now...
The dove.
Episode one, in the scene where the camera pans out to show us Otherville from a distance I saw a white dove flying overhead. I was going to mention it but decided to wait until the right discussion.
I thought the dove was perhaps supposed to be a symbol of Otherville. But I also wondered why it was there really.
Anybody else see it? Anyone got a screen cap?
http://members.aol.com/sabetour/images/image216.gif
I did see the dove, and was hesitant about mentioning too. I've never done a screen cap, but I'll give it a try.
lostboy
10-17-06, 01:16 AM
I still say the monster is Vincent, or at least manifests itself in Vincent. I think this goes along with what we missed in the Pilot. Remember when the Losties first heard the monster and Walt said "Vincent?" Also, if you remember Vincent was following Kate, Jack and Charlie when they went to look for the front part of the plane and shortly there after the monster appeared.
bettsydaniel
10-17-06, 01:28 AM
I still say the monster is Vincent, or at least manifests itself in Vincent. I think this goes along with what we missed in the Pilot. Remember when the Losties first heard the monster and Walt said "Vincent?" Also, if you remember Vincent was following Kate, Jack and Charlie when they went to look for the front part of the plane and shortly there after the monster appeared.
I think this is entirely possible. How wierd would it be for someone to be walking around and suddenly discover a dead labrador and then five minutes later see Vincent jumping around. I think the monster manifests itself as Vincent as it easier to take on the identity of a dog then it is a person.
Deadfall
10-17-06, 02:25 AM
Great thread that I plan to read in more depth later, but for now...
The dove.
Episode one, in the scene where the camera pans out to show us Otherville from a distance I saw a white dove flying overhead. I was going to mention it but decided to wait until the right discussion.
I thought the dove was perhaps supposed to be a symbol of Otherville. But I also wondered why it was there really.
Anybody else see it? Anyone got a screen cap?
http://members.aol.com/sabetour/images/image216.gif
I noticed it too... I thought it was especially interesting since we hardly ever see animals on the island. My immediate reaction was that the dove goes along with the good vs. bad theme that LOST has going (with white vs. black as recurring symbols). I think it's possible that the dove is supposed to symbolize the "goodness" of the Others. ....That they really are the good ones on the island.
"There's a good chance that you guys saw the monster this year, but didn't realise that you were looking at the monster"
It may be simply a matter of semantics, but the words "a good chance" means whatever it was, was not obvious. We all saw Vincent and it was obvious.
There was not a "good chance" we saw him, because we all clearly saw him, several times. Therefore, he couldn't be the monster.
The same can be said for the apparition of Walt. Anyone who watched the show saw Walt. There wasn't simply a "good chance" we saw him, because again, we all saw him.
Now, had he said 'you may have seen the monster, but didn't realize it' and nothing else, it would be different. Could his words have been twisted and he didn't mean what he said? Of course, but then we are left to imterpret just what he did mean.
Taken on the basis of WHAT HE SAID, then it's clear that whatever it was, wasn't obvious. And anything we all saw can be ruled out.
Tanatie
10-17-06, 08:18 AM
well I don't think smokie's the monster since locke was supposed to be looking at the most beutiful thing in his life when he was looking at smokie...
shands99
11-15-06, 11:53 AM
So it was the horse then. As a manifestation..
I have always felt that there might be a link between Smokey and Vicent, especially in the first episodes, when Smokey seemed to be everywhere, and yet Vincent could come and go off the jungle as he pleased, without risk.
Considering that Smokey = Shapeshifter is pretty much a given thing at this point, it could have been Vincent all the time, scanning the Losties at close range without them realizing it. Maybe the real Vincent did die in the crash, and Smokey just took his place.
I know it's not much of a theory, but there are some tidbits that sound intriguing, especially in two occasions:
- Shannon asking Vincent to find Walt and Vincent leading here to her brother's grave.
- Vincent fetching the Virgin Mary statues to Charlie.
As soon as I saw those scenes, I thought: that dog is a *****!, but it does look like it was forcing those two to face their deepest issues and testing them...
Again, not much of a theory, but at least something to ponder about... February is still far :)
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