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sterioss
05-30-06, 02:36 PM
Why did the Others take J/K/S? Where is their home? That will be the story told over the first six episodes. Season 3 will also be about the main characters and their relationships. They want to service the relationships next year more than the mythology.
This statement was given on the recent Podcast. Am I the only one that is a little disappointed in the idea that there will be more relationship building content and less mythology. This is my own personal opinion, but I found that the most fulfilling episodes in season one and two were those that delt with the island itself and featured a significant amount of Island information and mythology. I am personally a little less interested in where Bernard and Rose went on their first date and a little more interested in what some of the comments on the blast door map mean. Likewise I am a little less interested in drama about Jake, Kate and their relationship and Sawyers reaction to that, and a little more intersted in the Monster, why the Black Rock is there and what the meaning is behind the four toed statue.
Just my opinion.
I hope TPTB remember that they can do BOTH. It's the combination of the two that made LOST such a special show in the first place and a too-heavy emphasis on one element over the other is only going to water down any impact that the other has.
This is the most encouraging news about season 3 I've heard.
I love the mythology. The mystery is intriguing. But the characters got ME hooked. Overall I don't like what happened to the characters in season 2. (most of them), so if season 3 can introduce a little less mystery and more rational character development, I can't wait...
Think of all the mysteries season 2 brought up. Did we really need all that? Season 1 brought us the hatch and millions of fans were satisfied with that alone.
Hurley4Prez
05-30-06, 03:09 PM
I hope TPTB remember that they can do BOTH. It's the combination of the two that made LOST such a special show in the first place and a too-heavy emphasis on one element over the other is only going to water down any impact that the other has.
Exactly! It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition. Mysteries are boring without great characters developed to solve them. Characters are boring without conflict and suspense.
I'll take both, please.
S1 brought us a lot more than the hatch. The island "healing" Locke. Why Locke was paralyzed in the first place. The monster. Havids. Polar bears. The numbers...S1 wa every bit filthy with the intrigue as S2, it's just that TPTB did a better balancing act with all of these disparate elements in S1 than they did in S2.
As long as they go easy on the slow motion, meaningful look, string section endings I'll be happy.
Ana-Lucia's boyfriend
05-30-06, 03:28 PM
As they killed off one of the best characters in s2 I hope that they will try to go back to the great development they had during s1.
Love the new additions, Desmond, Eko... hopefully their development will be awesome.
Hurley4Prez
05-30-06, 03:52 PM
As long as they go easy on the slow motion, meaningful look, string section endings I'll be happy.
Don't count on it. "Love" is supposed to be a theme which will be focused on more in S3.
Jessicaswanlake
05-30-06, 04:02 PM
. Overall I don't like what happened to the characters in season 2. (most of them), so if season 3 can introduce a little less mystery and more rational character development, I can't wait...
Exactly! The character development really took a dive in S2, with the possible exception of evil-charlie, which was hilarious. Locke is a loser, Jack is a whiner, Kate suddenly lost her spine and sanctimonious Sun is probable Maury Povich material. How is any of that interesting? They gave us Libby, and the possibility of great development, and take her away because they made Ana totally unlikable. I was tearing my hair out non-stop.
So maybe, address the mysteries we have. The smurfy statue, Smokey, the others. No need to start with the mythology of the Hanso foundation or bad CGI birds until we have a better feel of what is actually going on with the previously unexplained.
lostboy
05-30-06, 04:14 PM
As long as desmond is on the show, it will be a hit. The Desmond character is da shit!
Psionystic
05-30-06, 04:23 PM
And Fenry Gale. He's so cool, and appears to have the only fully-working brain on the island that we've seen.
sterioss
05-30-06, 05:39 PM
This is the most encouraging news about season 3 I've heard.
I love the mythology. The mystery is intriguing. But the characters got ME hooked. Overall I don't like what happened to the characters in season 2. (most of them), so if season 3 can introduce a little less mystery and more rational character development, I can't wait...
Think of all the mysteries season 2 brought up. Did we really need all that? Season 1 brought us the hatch and millions of fans were satisfied with that alone.
This is a good Point KF2. However, I feel that the characters themselves had a significant amount of mystery in and of themselves during that first season. Remember that for the first half of season 1, John Locke was some weird guy that had a lot of mystery surrounding him. As was the questions about what Kate did, James Ford and Sawyer etc... A lot of these characters we know to this point.
I just think that after two years most of these main characters arn't much of a mystery any longer.
sterioss
05-30-06, 05:42 PM
Exactly! It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition. Mysteries are boring without great characters developed to solve them. Characters are boring without conflict and suspense.
I'll take both, please.
I agree that the first season writers did a much better job of mixing character development and island mythology. Season 2 seemed to have less continuety between the two. Example: Lockdown was almost all about island mythology whereas Dave was almost all about character development. A little more balance was desired.
Relationships don't necessarily mean romance. They could also mean that the Losties will start to realize how interconnected they all are.
snowtires
05-30-06, 05:58 PM
it's like they're TRYING to chase off the hardcore fans. the mythology is why most people i know watch lost, not because they want to see charlie and claire hook up.
Don't count on it. "Love" is supposed to be a theme which will be focused on more in S3.
There is a famous French aphorism (aren't they always French?) that says, "Love is like ghosts, always talked about but almost never seen." IMO, shows that study the meaning of love versus what passes for love, well, them's good viewin'.
-- volney
tovarbaker
05-30-06, 06:51 PM
This statement was given on the recent Podcast. Am I the only one that is a little disappointed in the idea that there will be more relationship building content and less mythology. This is my own personal opinion, but I found that the most fulfilling episodes in season one and two were those that dealt with the island itself and featured a significant amount of Island information and mythology. I am personally a little less interested in where Bernard and Rose went on their first date and a little more interested in what some of the comments on the blast door map mean. Likewise I am a little less interested in drama about Jake, Kate and their relationship and Sawyers reaction to that, and a little more interested in the Monster, why the Black Rock is there and what the meaning is behind the four toed statue.
Just my opinion.did you listen to the podcast? CC and DL were pretty clear that the mythology stuff won't /can't go away and will always be a part of the ongoing story line of lost, but that the focus of the season 3 will go deeper into who these characters are and what their back stories are. like Kate's marriage, Jack's tattoos and Lock and the wheel chair.
in addition to that they also promised answers, or at least more information on the others/ where they live who they are, the monster and the electromagnetism stuff and even the freaky statue stuff
so I wouldn't get worried about the show becoming "thirty something" on a deserted island
OMG its LFG
05-30-06, 07:40 PM
I think they will be able to have both parts in the show...this season was a lot of mythology.. there were episodes where you only saw a few characters....i like to see a lot of people a lot of the time
vonnegut
05-30-06, 08:13 PM
I'm cool with that.
The problem with Lost (back off, ya'll, I'm obsessed with and love the show, just sayin), is that when you're working with this much mystery/mythology, you have to be very... very... careful. If you reveal too much, people lose interest. If you don't reveal enough, people get frustrated, and then lose interest.
I'm totally frickin psyched about the first six episodes. Just give me some Fenry and I'll be okay :lol:
carmela
05-30-06, 08:15 PM
This is the most encouraging news about season 3 I've heard.
I love the mythology. The mystery is intriguing. But the characters got ME hooked. Overall I don't like what happened to the characters in season 2. (most of them), so if season 3 can introduce a little less mystery and more rational character development, I can't wait...
Agreed. The mysteries are fine but you need to see it/experience it thru the eyes of these very compelling characters. TPTB have always said that this was a character-based drama. We lost much of what was so interesting about the characters this season. I, for one, was cheering when I read that we would learn more about Jack, Locke, etc.
Maxwell Edison
06-13-06, 02:18 PM
TPTB need to decide who are the leading characters of the show and build the drama around them. Having too many characters spread too thinly is frustrating to everyone...
Look at Stargate.... there is a team of 4 characters that the show is almost always built around and that keeps the show focused... the supporting characters have their fans and occasionally get to shine but the focus remains of the main people.
LOST could use some focus. :)
-Max
vonnegut
06-14-06, 08:10 PM
I don't know, I like that its an ensemble cast. Honestly, I wish there was a bit LESS focusing on the "main characters" of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. A lot of the less main characters-- especially Sayid, Hurley, Danielle, Eko, and of course Fenry-- are a lot more interesting.
Having four main characters may work for Stargate, but Lost is a completely different animal than other TV shows. And what they do with the cast pretty much works for me.
lockeismyhero
06-16-06, 04:19 AM
If what was in this podcast is true and they will do more on relationships and less on the island mythlogy then that is just crap. What the hell was season 1 about? Learning to live together. They are past that now. Not every episode needs to be a new discovery but I do not want to see any more island poker games or dates that just end up getting the female killed a few episodes later.
PsychoDad
06-16-06, 01:48 PM
I would propose that since Season 2 was extraordinarily character heavy, they focus more on a style like Season 1, with more open questions, a more subtle character development, and central mythology taking the role in each episode. Seriously, how many of us haven't wanted to see a Rousseau flashback, or more info on the island in general.
Maxwell Edison
06-16-06, 03:34 PM
Having four main characters may work for Stargate, but Lost is a completely different animal than other TV shows. And what they do with the cast pretty much works for me.
The cast ensemble was good in S1 but in S2, Locke became a wimp, Jack became an arrogant dope, Kate was a wuss, and they're killing off characters at random (seemingly). For that matter, I'm burned out on flashbacks too... they should be used as "seasoning" in the stew, not as the main course :)
Best regards, Max
PsychoDad
06-16-06, 04:08 PM
... they should be used as "seasoning" in the stew, not as the main course :)
Ooh I like this:)
myhappycakeoven
06-16-06, 05:58 PM
TPTB need to decide who are the leading characters of the show and build the drama around them. Having too many characters spread too thinly is frustrating to everyone...
Look at Stargate.... there is a team of 4 characters that the show is almost always built around and that keeps the show focused... the supporting characters have their fans and occasionally get to shine but the focus remains of the main people.
LOST could use some focus. :)
-Max
Yeah but focused or not, Stargate blows.
PsychoDad
06-17-06, 02:18 PM
Yeah but focused or not, Stargate blows.
:rotfl: I dont like the whiny guy, the one who thinks hes the smartest one there. I think hes Canadian or something...
Typhonae
06-18-06, 02:31 AM
I would love it if they were able to tie in the mythology with the background stories.
Like having a four-toed statue appear in some company's lobby, something along those lines. This way, not only will we get more of someone's background and silly little mini-drama that really isn't needed, along with a clue as to how this person is connected to the island.
bongnatas
06-19-06, 09:47 AM
:rotfl: I dont like the whiny guy, the one who thinks hes the smartest one there. I think hes Canadian or something...
take off ehhh...hoser:nanabobo:
PsychoDad
06-19-06, 09:58 PM
take off ehhh...hoser:nanabobo:
No no ! lol, south of the Rio Grande, I believe they call us beaners, eh!
Huhwhatdunno
06-25-06, 06:59 PM
I was definitely dissapointed when I heard that there would be less mythology. I also agree that it was the correct balancing of the two elements that made the show a success in the first season, but I have enjoyed movement into the island mythology of season 2. When I heard the podcast, little red flags went up that they intend to slow down the exploration of the island in order to legthen the series as a whole.
One question I have is whether the flashback format is a format they intend to have for the duration of the series, or is it possible that the flashbacks will be dropped at some point in order to move the present time story forward at a faster pace? There were points in this season where I tired of the flashbacks because the brought advancements in the plot to a halt. This was also do to the terrible scheduling of season 2, and 3's new schedule format should solve a lot of the frustration from that.
Greatsageandeminentjunkie
06-25-06, 07:14 PM
One question I have is whether the flashback format is a format they intend to have for the duration of the series, or is it possible that the flashbacks will be dropped at some point in order to move the present time story forward at a faster pace?
I'm afraid the flashbacks are here to stay. And just pretend I quoted the rest of your post too so that I could say: word.
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