The Philadelphia Daily News

[flub]

Ok let me try to put this in a format that will stop me getting slated :nanabobo:

I found this here ------->>>>>>> http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2006/08/interesting-article-from-philadelphia.html (Link to place where my RSS feeder alerted me to the new spoiler)

The original source of this is here ------->>>>>>> http://www.philly.com (This is the web page of the on-line newspaper where the above source found and published it)

I hope that is ok.

[carmela]

This is the most interesting part:

We'll also - eventually - see Michael (Harold Perrineau) and Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) again, he said.

"We were interested in exploring what price you would pay to get your son back. The price that Michael paid was so extreme, it didn't seem possible that he could remain a part of this society after what he had done," Cuse said, noting that banishment goes back to the Greeks.

"He's been banished from the island, and that to us represented sort of the necessary consequence of his action. It doesn't mean his story is over," he said.

[tovarbaker]

I think that is the first time he has mentioned Michael's story line directly...

also I am getting a little tired with the "not one unifying theory" rhetoric that TPTB keep spewing. while I am glad that there isn't one guy behind a curtain twirling his moustache controlling everything. It is getting old hearing Damon and Carlton explaining it that way. obviously a complicated story that has depth and involves this many characters and spans the amount of time that the history of this island does, can not just be explained away with a wave of the hand saying "oh it's just purgatory" but they sure seem to be protesting to much. we are not stupid, we get it. but when you keep acting so incessantly you look like you are making it up as you go

[carmela]

we are not stupid, we get it. but when you keep acting so incessantly you look like you are making it up as you go

AMEN!

[Hurley4Prez]

also I am getting a little tired with the "not one unifying theory" rhetoric that TPTB keep spewing. while I am glad that there isn't one guy behind a curtain twirling his moustache controlling everything. It is getting old hearing Damon and Carlton explaining it that way. obviously a complicated story that has depth and involves this many characters and spans the amount of time that the history of this island does, can not just be explained away with a wave of the hand saying "oh it's just purgatory" but they sure seem to be protesting to much. we are not stupid, we get it. but when you keep acting so incessantly you look like you are making it up as you go Something about this bothers me too, Tovar. I mean, it's fine to say that the answers to LOST's mysteries won't be rediculously simple (it's purgy), but it sounds like their saying "It's gonna be convoluted crap, and we realize that now. So give up on trying to figure this out because even we don't know WTF we're talking about. But hey man, it'll be, like, deep and stuff".

ETA: Thanks for formatting this much better, flub! :)

[flub]

ETA: Thanks for formatting this much better, flub! :)

:Cheers:

[Mattie]

"It's going to be more character-oriented, less mythologically oriented. You know, last year was sort of dark and intense and underground and in the hatch," he said.

Great news IMO. I'm one of the people who prefer the character drama vs. the mythology aspect of the show. I believe there can be a perfect balance as seen in season 1, without skimping on either one, keeping everyone satisfied. I hope season 3 gets us back to that formula!

[Budman]

...it's fine to say that the answers to LOST's mysteries won't be rediculously simple (it's purgy), but it sounds like their saying "It's gonna be convoluted crap, and we realize that now. So give up on trying to figure this out because even we don't know WTF we're talking about. But hey man, it'll be, like, deep and stuff".

I don't believe that is the situation at all.

My contention has been, still is, and will always be until proven otherwise, is that LOST is a bunch of individual events that come together in one instance. The challenge of LOST is figuring out those individual events and formulating theories behind them.

I think what Carlton is doing and what Damon has tried to do in the past is let people know that the riddle of LOST isn't a theory that encompasses many aspects of the show into one theory. LOST is a show with many riddles and many answers, coming together to form a huge puzzle.

I think the reason they keep repeating it is because there are still people who will not give up on a Grand Unifying Theory and I think the concern, as I understand it, is that over the course of time individuals that promote those theories will eventually be disappointed.

Now, would you feel it's better to let them continue to believe in their theories so when the show reveals something that doesn't fit they felt betrayed or do you feel it would be better to try to redirect their efforts on the path that you're going (as a writer) so they can feel like they've been there all along?

Certainly, my response would be for the latter. Unfortunately, a lot of people invest a lot of time into their theories and they become extremely personal. There is a lot of betrayal that can be felt when writers go in a direction you don't, there is even more when you're personally involved in the form of theorizing.

Granted, I probably find it comforting because it is along the lines of what I have always expected. However, I am sure for those that don't want to fully accept it, it is frustrating. There is that certain hope that there is going to be some significant twist. I just don't think it's going to happen the way people think it will.

[hallad69]

I think the reason they keep repeating it is because there are still people who will not give up on a Grand Unifying Theory and I think the concern, as I understand it, is that over the course of time individuals that promote those theories will eventually be disappointed.

Whatever happened to free will, and the freedom to believe in whatever you like, even if (like me) it's as wrong as can be.

Now, would you feel it's better to let them continue to believe in their theories so when the show reveals something that doesn't fit they felt betrayed or do you feel it would be better to try to redirect their efforts on the path that you're going (as a writer) so they can feel like they've been there all along?

Certainly, my response would be for the latter.

Quite frankly I feel insulted that you feel you should control what I think. Or did I misunderstand this ? LOST wouldn't be half as good if there wasn't so much space for speculation. Certainly this board wouldn't be so active if everyone was left thinking the same things.

I think that the members here grown up enough to be able to believe their own theories (just so long as no more kittens have to suffer), no matter how off course they may prove to be ? If people are wrong, they'll get over it... and probably get a new (equally wrong) theory to expound on.

[WaywardK8]

Is it at all possible to state the actual spoiler in the text of the post, or do I not understand the rules of the Spoiler forum? Correct me if I'm wrong, Leuth/mods, but shouldn't the spoiler be in the post itself...? The spoilers are great but the way they're linked to an offsite source drives me crazy, especially since I have a limited number of sites that I can visit while at work...!

Edited for grammar.

[flub]

Is it at all possible to state the actual spoiler in the text of the post, or do I not understand the rules of the Spoiler forum? Correct me if I'm wrong, Leuth/mods, but shouldn't the spoiler be in the post itself...? The spoilers are great but the way they're linked to an offsite source drives me crazy, especially since I have a limited number of sites that I can visit while at work...!

Edited for grammar.

Here is the text




"IF YOU'D planned on spending the dog days of August
working on your "Lost" theory - the one that explains
everything from the polar bear to those parka-clad
guys in last season's finale - maybe it's time you
abandoned the quest and hit the beach instead.

Because there is no one explanation for what's gone
on in the first two seasons of ABC's "Lost."

At least not according to executive producer Carlton
Cuse.

"We hate to debunk" anyone's theory, Cuse said -
though he and fellow show-runner Damon Lindelof
have dismissed a few, including the one that
posits that the characters on "Lost" are in
some kind of purgatory.

And no, it's not that writers are keeping their
options open, hoping to skim off viewers' best
ideas when the time comes for the big reveal.

"I wish it was that easy. That would be great
if we could actually do it," Cuse said at an
ABC party in Pasadena, Calif., last month.

"I think that the mistake that most of the
people who theorize about the show make is
trying to come up with a very simple, you
know, unifying theory," he said.

So while the writers have explanations for
everything that's gone on in "Lost" so far
- and script coordinator Gregg Nations keeps
track of the documentation - "it doesn't
reduce down to a single, simple sentence," Cuse said.

But if there's more than one theory at w
ork on the island, doesn't that mean coincidence
- that shaky crutch too often employed in TV
drama - is a factor?

Not necessarily, insisted Cuse.

"There are theories in physics... that g
overn small particles, and there are
Newtonian theories that govern gravitational
fields for larger objects. Those two co-exist
. They aren't unified into a single theory, but
the c
onnection between them is not coincidental,"
he said.

Fortunately, Cuse had less complicated
things to say about "Lost" and about Season 3, w
hich launches Oct. 4.

"The show's going to be about our char
acters' interaction with the Others. It'
s going to be more of an action-adventure ye
ar, more romance. We'd hoped to get romance
last year, but the story didn't really get
us there. We didn't get as far as we wanted
in that regard," he said.

"It's going to be more character-oriented,
less mythologically oriented. You know,
last year was sort of dark and intense
and underground and in th
e hatch," he said.

"Obviously, the other element that we
introduced at the end of the season was t
hat after 49 hours, we went off the islan
d for the first time. And that was not a
casual or coincidental or random choice," he s
aid. "The introduction of the outside world as
an element into the world of 'Lost' is also
something new for Season 3."

And because the strongest link to that world
so far is Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick), you can
expect to see Desmond again, too, and not just
in flashbacks.

"It would be very stupid of us to kill Desmond
," Cuse said.

We'll also - eventually - see Michael (Harold
Perrineau) and Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) again
, he said.

"We were interested in exploring what price you
would pay to get your son back. The price that
Michael paid was so extreme, it didn't seem poss
ible that he could remain a part of this society
after what he had done," Cuse said, noting that
banishment goes back to the Greeks.

"He's been banished from the island, and that to
us represented sort of the necessary consequence
of his action. It doesn't mean his story is over,"
he said.

[Hurley4Prez]

Them, I sincerely hope that you're correct in your assumption. Ever the optimist, that's the view I'm choosing to take.

[Budman]

Whatever happened to free will, and the freedom to believe in whatever you like, even if (like me) it's as wrong as can be.

Quite frankly I feel insulted that you feel you should control what I think. Or did I misunderstand this ? LOST wouldn't be half as good if there wasn't so much space for speculation. Certainly this board wouldn't be so active if everyone was left thinking the same things.

I think that the members here grown up enough to be able to believe their own theories (just so long as no more kittens have to suffer), no matter how off course they may prove to be ? If people are wrong, they'll get over it... and probably get a new (equally wrong) theory to expound on.

Experience dictates that there will be people who will become bitter because LOST is taken in a direction that no longer agrees with their theory or beliefs. It happened with the Purgatory threads and it will happen with other theories that exist.

I'm not controlling what anyone does, says, or thinks. You are free to accept, challenge or ignore my opinion, as I am free to do the same. However, this isn't about me. The Writers and Producers of LOST (TPTB) have set the expectation. Their comments are what I have based my opinions on. If you want to challenge TPTB, fine go ahead.

My anticipation of why TPTB repeatedly warn theorists about the direction that they are going, is because they don't want to lose those viewers. Viewers that put that much time and effort into a theory, those are the viewers they want to keep along with your regular every day viewers. But in many ways they see themselves in the same vein as those viewers. People that get really into something and dissect it and believe in it.

Just as much, TPTB are people who are also associated with the comic book world, and as such are very acutely aware of what happens when a comic book goes in a direction that the readers aren't prepared for or don't feel the character(s) should have gone.

They don't want that to happen to LOST and subsequently are making their best effort to steer those people in the right direction.

[Budman]

Is it at all possible to state the actual spoiler in the text of the post, or do I not understand the rules of the Spoiler forum? Correct me if I'm wrong, Leuth/mods, but shouldn't the spoiler be in the post itself...? The spoilers are great but the way they're linked to an offsite source drives me crazy, especially since I have a limited number of sites that I can visit while at work...!

Edited for grammar.

This is why! Read this (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/contact_us/copyright/) and this (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/contact_us/terms_of_use/).

Your problem isn't with Flub, its with the policy of your office.

An expectation that copyrighted material be placed on the forum puts both the poster and the forum at risk. Albeit, the likely request would be to remove the offending material.

Nevertheless, it is my opinion that it is not a poster's responsibility to provide material that would cause them to violate a copyright. You're essentially mandating that someone break the law for your convenience.

[WaywardK8]

I completely agree, Them. No one should violate copyright laws for anyone's sake, especially my own. But a summary of the text, or a paraphrase, is appropriate if you provide the original source -- especially in this case, where the information appeared on another spoiler board as a paraphrase with a citation to the original source.

For example, in this case, one could say:
Here (http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2006/08/interesting-article-from-philadelphia.html)is a link to an article regarding some spoilers for Season Three, discussed by Cuse in an interview. It originally appeared in The Philadelphia Daily News. It mentions the following:
- Cuse says there's no overall explanation for what's happened in the first two seasons
- This season will focus on interactions with the Others
- We will eventually see Michael and Walt again
- Desmond is not dead
- The outside world will play a role in the new season, like what we saw with Penny and Desmond at the end of last season.

If we're really going to talk about copyright law and proper citation, I might add that no one really plays by the real rules regarding proper citation in this forum -- or in many forums on the net. There are incorrect and correct ways to cite things, and the majority of people do it wrong.

[flub]

I completely agree, Them. No one should violate copyright laws for anyone's sake, especially my own. But a summary of the text, or a paraphrase, is appropriate if you provide the original source -- especially in this case, where the information appeared on another spoiler board as a paraphrase with the proper citation.

For example, in this case, one could say:
Here is a link to an article regarding some spoilers for Season Three. It discusses the following:
- Cuse says there's no overall explanation for what's happened in the first two seasons

That would be great mate, but I don't have the time to write paraphrases for people who work for companies that censor the net. I wish I did butI dont sorry.

[WaywardK8]

At least say the topic of the actual spoiler in the post -- that's all I'm asking for. It's been common practice in the past on this forum, and I've never seen people just post bare links without giving some kind of information as to what the spoiler behind that link actually is.

[flub]

At least say the topic of the actual spoiler in the post -- that's all I'm asking for. It's been common practice in the past on this forum, and I've never seen people just post bare links without giving some kind of information as to what the spoiler behind that link actually is.

Jesus, I followed the instructions from mods and I still get attacked. A thank you now and again would'nt go amiss.

Why don't YOU go and find some spoilers "mate"?

[WaywardK8]

Gosh, I didn't mean to upset you. Seriously. I have thanked you in the past, and I thought I was being pretty clear with my gratitude, and also with my request that the spoiler be in the post itself -- it just doesn't make sense to post links without any information in the post to me. I'm sorry that you feel that I attacked you, that wasn't my intention at all. I was merely asking that the content of the spoiler show up somewhere in the post -- that's what all of the other posts here do, so it doesn't seem like an illogical request to me. Again, I apologize for attacking you -- I didn't mean for it to come off that way, and I understand your feelings.

[Hurley4Prez]

You're doing fine, flub. :)

[OMG its LFG]

Flub, calm down. This is a forum board, not a high school. You are doing fine, dont worry if people are trying to help you!

And because the strongest link to that world so far is Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick), you can expect to see Desmond again, too, and not just in flashbacks.

"It would be very stupid of us to kill Desmond," Cuse said.
I am sick of them saying it would dumn to kill this person, or dumb to kill that person. I thought they knew what was going on!!! Stop telling me its dumb to this or that.

[Brian]

If someone wants to post the entire text of a spoiler article, that's fine. However, sometimes people are pressed for time and/or they just post a link here as they find it elsewhere on the 'net. Either way is acceptable here.

Me personally, when I find an article that I want to quote here, I make a link out of the article heading and cut/paste the article contents below it. That way if someone wants to view it in it's original context, they can.

You're fine flub, thanks for the change.

[flub]

Thanks Leuthen :Cheers: