Regarding Recent Bannings [Archive]

Suil Liath

08-20-06, 03:45 AM

As many of you know, we permanently banned MJBinNC and Think today. We don't usually discuss bans, but instead of allowing rumor and innuendo to fly, we decided to make it clear why we banned them. This is a special case. We won't discuss bans in the future.

While this does involve the bizarre attempt to steal several polls, that's not the main reason we banned them. We banned them to stop the war they were fighting with each other using all of us (including mods and admins) and this board as their personal battleground. We did not come to this decision lightly, but we can't allow any member, no matter how long they've been here or how popular they are, to abuse the community.

Mary and Think had a falling out a couple months back, and both immediately started telling stories about the other, attempting to gain allies. They lied to the staff to get us to act against the other.

As a direct result of this, we have instituted the new rule regarding chat complaints: any complaints have to come to Suil Liath with transcripts. Based on her "status" one of the parties lied about the other to a mod to get her opponent in trouble, and it was frankly embarrassing when the truth came out there had been no transgression. In the meantime, the offended party was all like "?" over pms received from a mod over an offense for which there was no proof, and was no doubt a tissue of lies in the first place.

So, you may thank your good friends Think and Mary for your now having to supply better "evidence" and supply it directly to Suil.

They were harrassing members via PM and chat, urging their supporters to "solicit" allies, and after receiving numerous, outrageous complaints, Suil Liath gave both a severe reprimand and a strong warning. If their personal battle once again touched our board, both would be banned. It didn't take long to discover the attempt to stuff the polls was just a new expression of their personal battle. Based on the warning both had received - a warning that didn't stop that battle as intended, both Think and MJBinNC have been permanently banned for ignoring my warning.

That's it. Who was stuffing the ballot boxes is not as important as the fact that it was just another battle in their personal war. It's not a matter of who started what; the problem is neither stopped it.

If these two were less popular or well known and the same thing happened, no one would comment. We have banned people for less. We cannot let "popular" kids slide just because.....

We know some of you have taken sides in this fight, and we're sorry your friends won't be allowed back. We're sorry your friends won't be posting with you anymore, but we won't allow any two people, no matter how popular, to turn this community into their personal battle zone.

We're sure you'll want to discuss this, but any attempt to carry on the war for your friends is strongly discouraged. We are serious about stopping that war, and we won't allow it to be fought by proxy anywhere on this board, in the forums, PMs or chat. Please keep that in mind.

That does not necessarily mean no discussion, but please bear in mind that we did a lot of digging, talked to a lot of people and have come to no other conclusion but that two adult women were pulling stunts you wouldn't let your KIDS get away with. But the file is sealed, as it were so further details will not be forthcoming.

We are just as horrifed as the rest of you but more than anything, people were "used" including mods and admins to further a personality contest. I'm not sure how you all like being "tools" but it makes me nuts. We are perfectly willing to entertain a legitimate complaint, accompanied by evidence. Trust me on this.

But don't jerk our collective chain.

The vote amongst the mods was unanimous in that this discussion took place in the admin forum over several days. Just so you know.

Regards

The mods and admins at Losttv-forum
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Subject # 4815162342

08-20-06, 03:54 AM

Thank you Suil.

It's rough getting stuck in the middle of someone else's delusion.....especially when you're stuck in a position where you're expected to do something about it.

The Greater Good...

The Greater Good.

Mysterious Mike

08-20-06, 04:07 AM

Thanks for the explanation , I was wondering what all the hubbaloo was about around here lately.

Mods and admins at Losttv-forum weilding their collective Jesus sticks with tact and skill.

Rocky Raccoon

08-20-06, 04:07 AM

Good call. Really no other choice. Now we can forget this and get back to polls!

And in 21.5 years we can all laugh about this. But until then, Shh.

Subject # 4815162342

08-20-06, 04:15 AM

....I will,say,tho............at the risk of "too soon-ness"

The Poll I was in was affected,then.........and I am very curious if new results will be posted reflecting....erm....'adjusted' results.....post scandal.

Suil:
(or whoever is overseeing the poll fiasco)

Will New results be posted now,or are we just gonna call this a "rained out game"?

LostInWilderness

08-20-06, 04:18 AM

The Poll I was in was affected,then.........and I am very curious if new results will be posted reflecting....erm....'adjusted' results.....post scandal.
I passed on all the adjustments for the votecounts from the known clones. The results will be as clean or cleaner than any poll we've had.

~G~

08-20-06, 05:02 AM

I want to thank all of the mods for the work put into this. You were fair, and just. I cannot imagine being in the position you were placed in...and, thank you for the resolution. A tough job, well done. I hate to see these results, but you all went out of your way to let those involved absolve themselves.

Hurley4Prez

08-20-06, 05:36 AM

That's really pathetic. It reminds me of that one photo you see everywhere about fighting on the net being retarded.

Moving along... I'm glad that this mess has been cleaned up and things can return to "normal" (or whatever comes closest on this forum).

:Cheers:

SareEru

08-20-06, 06:11 AM

I know I speak for a lot of us when I say that we all love this place. I have received so much enjoyment from all that the community of Lostaways has had to offer. I have made several friends during my time here. I consider MJBinNC to be a very close one. I cannot say that she's never made mistakes, but I don't judge her for them... that's not my place. But, she is a wonderful person, and deserves a chance to speak for herself.

We easily get wrapped up in this convivial little world that we have painstakingly created on the LOST-TV forum. It is a sanctuary we created to be pleasant and liberated from the drama we have in our everyday lives. And for a while it was...perfect. Whatever did or did not happen is none of my business. The mods have done what they believe is right, and I cannot argue. All I know, is that a blight has corrupted something I loved dearly. Whatever happens, we cannot go back to that ideal refuge that we once had. We forget that this is a place for community. But, it isn't the end-all of the universe. I will sorely miss MJBinNC, and it is not exaggerating to admit that she was one of the main reasons for my desire to keep returning. She kept the forum alive with her wit and optimism. I feel that many of us will be aggrieved by this turn of events.

Was the banning necessary? I don't know. But, I do know that it will make the community all the more dispirited, and all the more dark that she is gone. Is there no possibility for this to be only a warning? Is there no hope for a second chance? Can we not make a final plea for reprieve and stay the executioner's hand? When we have so willingly forgiven others among us, cannot we not now support another? Can we not separate the issues and the people, and a punishment that seems so extreme? I beseech you all to reconsider...

Rocky Raccoon

08-20-06, 06:50 AM

They were warned, and when push came to shove, the admins acted according to the rules they themselves had established.

juanbong

08-20-06, 06:51 AM

Quoted by Suil:
So, you may thank your good friends Think and Mary for your now having to supply better "evidence" and supply it directly to Suil.

No need to thank them. Most smart people would have done this very thing in case of problems/situations in the first place or they really aren't up on things. That's just me though, and have dealt with stalkers in the past...I mean difficult situations in the past.
I don't know what happened or have much knowledge of the things that have transpired in the last 5 days (I go off to a concert on Wednesday, and by Saturday there are major posters banned, and still no apology from some dumbass cloner). IMHO, this reeks of the TLE incident of '06...wait, wasn't that 2 months ago? Summer is a blur for me.
Whoever the hell decided to become 17 different people in one night, I hope you are happy. Really, good times. An internet awards event and because you want your favorite poster to win, we now get a major facelift. Now, I don't know my ass from the arcade. That's not just the beer talking. Well, maybe because it is 2:25 am on Sunday morning. And I lost in pool tonight, so sue me.
I hate to be the bad seed on here, but here it goes. People, everyone who is on this forum, you need to watch yourselves. Seriously, watch what you say and post. For your safety, and if you want to continue being part of this family. Do onto others as you would have done to you- I think the quote goes. People are a strange group. People get hurt with what you may think is funny and vice versa. Do you think that no one monitors you? Are ya kidding me? There is always someone watching everyone. Could even be me for all you know. All I am saying is...take peoples' feelings in consideration when you "say" something on here. Be aware of who you are dealing with when you chat/post with them. Just because you can't literally see them doesn't mean they aren't a person with feelings.
I don't know Think really well. Not really much to be honest. Mary I do know and has been good to me. Again, not knowing much, I am surprized by this. I am still waiting for the dumbass that stuffed the ballots to come forward. No apology or plea. Nothing. All the hard work and dedication for the awards, your awards people . What do you all think about that?
On a lighter note, I think Nokomis has said it best about some of the threads lately. (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=902478&postcount=84). We can't always be sarcastic. Sometimes you need to step back, breathe, and add intelligence to what you post.

Rocky Raccoon

08-20-06, 06:56 AM

I swore I'd never use one of those "Yeah That" smilies, and even though a post under that one practically requires it, I stick to my word.

But I agree. There are rules. Read them. Understand them. Questions? Ask them! We're happy to help. That's all there is to it. And if you DO follow these rules, you don't need to worry about getting banned do you?

juanbong

08-20-06, 07:21 AM

Quoted by Rocky Raccoon:
They were warned, and when push came to shove, the admins acted according to the rules they themselves had established.

No one so far has denied that as false. They do what they do in what are tough times. Material is brought to the table, ideas discussed, ways and means disected, solutions etched out, law put into order. It is what makes our society and humankind what we are today.

Quoted by Rocky Raccoon:
I swore I'd never use one of those "Yeah That" smilies, and even though a post under that one practically requires it, I stick to my word.

But I agree. There are rules. Read them. Understand them. Questions? Ask them! We're happy to help. That's all there is to it. And if you DO follow these rules, you don't need to worry about getting banned do you?
I agree about rules, regulations, values, and meanings. I am not one who steers away from questions, whether asked or answered. I love puzzles. The we part I have trouble with in your post. I already know "we" are happy to help, since I am one who does. The banning part, I am not worried about either. I do follow the guidelines. Unless a person has no smarts, then lines get drawn and blurred. Take your pick. But like in life, once you start questioning the other side, be prepared for an outcome to your disliking.
I have no beef with anyone here. All are pretty much my friends, even when I disagree on a theory or the occassional spammer.
Since I do not know the whole story, I can only take what has been brought to the table. So, with that said, I do think that a plea to bring back someone is in order. It can either be listened to, smacked down, or acknowledged. IMHO. Again, I have no qualms with anyone on this forum. Law is law. I don't make the rules, I live by them. In RW and in IW (internet world). But, I do think MJBinNC deserves a second chance. If I knew Think, I would say the same thing. What I say isn't law, but a plea. Would I say the same about whoever stuffed the ballets, probably not. Actually, hell no. Why, because that person has done something deliberate, incriminating, and wronging for the community as a whole.
Sorry for the long rant, and no disrespect, RR, you have a good head on your shoulders.
I'm just a second chance kind of guy, in some aspects.

Rocky Raccoon

08-20-06, 07:39 AM

As always, I'm gonna sound like a bad guy here, but wouldn't you consider the time after their warning to be their second chance?

By and large, this board is a peaceful and friendly place, and I think we can all agree that a huge amount of posters work to keep it that way. Ironically, somehow who helped out alot was MJB.

Now, I know that she, along with Think, were valued members here, and friends to many. I also know that there was a "feud" of sorts going on between the two of them. That's fine by me, sometimes people disagree.

But as soon as that affected the actual community, it became a problem. The mods took action, and warned them (I'm assuming) that it was against the rules, and continuation of the behaviour would merit more serious consequences.

And since there was a continuation, then the mods did what they proposed and made an apparently unanimous decision to ban both of them.

It must be especially hard for osme that recognized and poopular posters like the 2 were banned, but they were asked to cease and decist. They didn't. It was the right thing to do, no matter if the person was a 5-post n00b or a 5,000 post vet.

The rules are laid, and they are adhered to, or else there's chaos on the board. That might sound a bit "sensational" but it's true.

Without orders there is no order.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be very happy if for some reason Mary and Think were re-allowed here. All's I'm saying is that the decision that benefits the efficiency, "safety", welfare, and environment of the board, is -in the end- the right one.

JMO. :)

Son of Locke

08-20-06, 07:45 AM

Without orders there is no order. tautological, perhaps, but dazzling nonetheless.

All sympathy aside, jb, I'd rather see a few days go by just letting things breathe out a while. IMO we can't all start trying to undo what it took Suil and co. a great deal of unnecessary effort and time to (un)do in the first place.

I respect your opinion, I wasn't even aware of the whole backstory here, nor did I choose any side, but I'd just hate to see a whole public debate about the decision erupt, and take away from what has been some meaningful discussion about (to me, anyway, who often walks them -->) the boundaries of taste and trust.

I Like Freckles

08-20-06, 08:50 AM

Disclaimer: it's 1:30 in the morning and I am tired. I am not, however, even remotely under the influence of any mind altering substances. That said, I feel compelled to comment here.

Like Johnny, I am familiar only with MJ. I'm not sure I actually knew who Think was prior to seeing her nominated in a category that I apparently won but for the Attack of the Clones. Also like Johnny, I know this isn't my house and that I don't make the rules, I only try to live by them. With that in mind, I too would like to make a plea for leniency on MJ's behalf.

So, as Suil told us above, MJ and Think were warned a couple of weeks ago in no uncertain terms to behave, and the warning was accompanied by the threat of a permanent ban for both of them if either ran afoul of the "law" again. I can completely understand the Mods' concerns about preventing this place from becoming the personal battlefield of two members. The dual banning threat makes sense in the event that hostilities between them were to flare up again, even if for no other rationale than obviating the need for the Mods to wade through a bunch of finger pointing to pick a "winner" by banning only one of the transgressors. It clearly takes two to tango.

That said, has there actually been any "tangoing" here? In other words, have MJ and Think participated in any of the bickering, attempting to curry favor with the Mods, and/or other actions forbidden in the warning they received? To the best of my admittedly incomplete knowledge, MJ was not involved in the ballot-box stuffing incident. By inference from Suil's original post in this thread, I assume that Think was the ballot stuffer. If I am wrong, I would welcome having the version of the facts with which I am trying to comprehend this situation corrected by someone more knowledgeable than me.

If I am correct, then I am confused as to how Think's effort to stuff the ballot box constituted "another battle in their personal war." Even assuming for the sake of argument that the voting incident could be fairly characterized as yet another personal battle between MJ and Think, how could MJ have been expected to "stop it" when our crack team of Mods and Admins managed to finally identify and undo the work of the culprit only after hours and hours of work using tools to which the rest of us mere mortals have no access?

Simply put, my fairness radar is way out of whack because it appears very much as though MJ was banned because a poster with whom she had previously had a feud saw fit to ruin the fun of all of us here by sabotaging the Hiatus awards voting. The person who disrupted the voting and cast a pall over this place for the past week did something that affected and angered a great number of people here. If that immature action has now been construed as having been directed at MJ personally and therefore sufficient to invoke the "if either of you messes up, you're both history" threat, then I'm simply speechless.

Again, I know that I probably don't have access to all of the facts, and I understand that the decision was not reached lightly. All I am attempting to express is my reaction to what I think I know about the current unfortunate situation. Take it as you see fit. Thanks for reading, and good night.

-ILF

TheBigCat

08-20-06, 12:50 PM

Disclaimer: it's 1:30 in the morning and I am tired. I am not, however, even remotely under the influence of any mind altering substances.

Whoa. First time for everything, I guess.

The person who disrupted the voting and cast a pall over this place for the past week did something that affected and angered a great number of people here. If that immature action has now been construed as having been directed at MJ personally and therefore sufficient to invoke the "if either of you messes up, you're both history" threat, then I'm simply speechless.

Don't worry. Your ability to speak won't be affected any more than usual. There's more to the issue than that. Can't say what exactly besides both Mary and Think were pulling some pretty bad shenanigans. I hope that the members accept that.

I will say one thing, probably more than I should really reveal, but I'm hoping that it clears things up. Think's actions can be view as an escalation following something that Mary did which was pretty heinous and we were discussing her fate when the clone/polls incident occured, so the decision was made to ban both of them.

I hope that clears things up, because that's all you're getting out of me. :)

merry slug

08-20-06, 12:56 PM

It sounds like both were warned, and one stopped, but both were banned? It's confusing.

ETA: Just saw TBC's post.

EATA: Thanks for putting this thread up, BTW.

PandoraX

08-20-06, 01:05 PM

I understand rules are rules (and there's no way to make everyone happy all the time), but to be so inflexible and unforgiving with veteran community members who make a few mistakes but are not shown to be consistant trolls.... that's not making it a very nice environment for the rest of us, either. I think that what MJ and Think could have contributed as community members outweighs anything they've done recently, and how they were treated was overharsh... to me, continuing a pattern that started with Penelope being banned over "supposed overheard 'threats' she made to delete her own posts on the forum".

In the end, aren't the polls themselves trivial and silly and promoting drama? Not to say that behavior like ballot stuffing and cloning should be acceptable, far from it. The infighting was dumb, but they admit to that.... and I think this is what the "temp ban" function was made for.

sculpey

08-20-06, 01:32 PM

It's never failed to amaze me to what lengths total strangers will go on the internet when they feel they have been slighted, shunned, attacked or whatever. The term I like to use for this is "Internet Courage" where you do things online that you would never consider doing in real life. It's all totally baffling. I have a couple of simple rules:

Be totally honest about who I am (what's to gain by being anything else?)

Attack no one. I don't know you, but if I ever met you we might actually become friends.

This is kind of harsh, but since I don't know you, I basically ignore whatever you say about your life or mine. Until the words on the screen turn into flesh and blood, this saves me a lot of hassle. I have enough drama in my own life to get wrapped up in a strangers.

JacksGirlfriend

08-20-06, 01:39 PM

wouldn't you consider the time after their warning to be their second chance?

There were several second chances, as well as the "official" one.

to be so inflexible and unforgiving with veteran community members who make a few mistakes but are not shown to be consistant trolls.... that's not making it a very nice environment for the rest of us, either. I think that what MJ and Think could have contributed as community members outweighs anything they've done recently, and how they were treated was overharsh...

We were flexible and forgiving - over and over and over. That latitude was given because they WERE veteran posters who had a long history here with us. We also took into consideration that people go through rough patches in their lives and are entitled to make mistakes - whether one or a series. But when the day was done, their contibutions as community members were far over-shadowed by the havoc and ill-will they had strewn about this board. It was not one incident or an isolated patch of bad judgment. It was continuing and continuous over months. There were plenty of opportunities given to correct mistakes, cease activity and apply their common sense. Those opportunities were ignored and wasted.

There are several definitions of troll. Whether you're liked or not, you can still exhibit troll behavior. We put up with this behavior far longer than we should have.

DarthKitty

08-20-06, 01:42 PM

merry slug

08-20-06, 01:46 PM

I don't know either of them and it is apparent that they were well liked, but it seems to me if the people in charge tell you that you are doing something out of line and they warn you to stop or you are going to be banned, why not just stop? It seems simple to me, the boss tells you stop something that is wrong, you stop.

I think the current frustration is because one apparently did stop, while the other kept going. Yet both were banned. I can only guess that the mods know something to the contrary.

JacksGirlfriend

08-20-06, 01:52 PM

I can only guess that the mods know something to the contrary.

You'll just have to trust us on this.

DarthKitty

08-20-06, 01:52 PM

Gotcha...well, I would say that the mods seem to be a genuinely fair and reasonable group, so I think it is a good guess to say that something else was happening that no one knew anything about.

ETA: Just read JacksGirlfiend's post.

Frecklestoo

08-20-06, 01:59 PM

Honestly, if the mods didn't follow through on their threat to ban these posters if they didn't stop, the mods would have lost all credibility. It's kind of like parents who constantly tell their kids to stop their bad behavior or they will be in trouble, and then let the kids continuously get away with that behavior. The kids then walk all over the parents because they know they can get away with it.

If the mods hadn't followed through, bad behavior would have continued and that would just be a slippery slope for them to be on and would have put this whole forum at risk. It doesn't matter that they were veteran posters...the rules should be the same for everyone, and as veterans maybe they should have known better. To compare it to parenting...I expect better behavior out of my 8 year old than I do my 4 year old.:Hippy:

Scott

08-20-06, 02:04 PM

If the mods hadn't followed through, bad behavior would have continued and that would just be a slippery slope for them to be on and would have put this whole forum at risk. It doesn't matter that they were veteran posters...the rules should be the same for everyone, and as veterans maybe they should have known better. To compare it to parenting...I expect better behavior out of my 8 year old than I do my 4 year old.:Hippy:

I think we're all losing something in translation here. The reason we are all so intrigued by this one is because to out eyes, Mary has done nothing wrong. What I gathered from this thread is that Think was the cloner and Mary got banned because of any of those two stepped out of line again, they were both gone. So that's why we're all so interested, because we don't know what Mary has done.

But JG has told us to trust them on this...

PandoraX

08-20-06, 02:05 PM

You'll just have to trust us on this.

To me, it makes no difference if someone is well-liked, popular, etc. I would go to bat for someone who I detested personally, if I believed in the principle behind what I'm saying. I think this is a difficult situation because the ones who were banned don't get a chance to say their side of the story at all in the thread, and I know one of them at least claimed that she was not given the warning. From a mod standpoint, I could see that you shouldn't always have to justify and document everything you do with precision to everyone, but to just say "trust us" as a blanket statement... hard not to take that without a grain of salt.

Jason and the ARGonauts

08-20-06, 02:09 PM

And MJ kept telling me to go away...

Scott

08-20-06, 02:12 PM

And MJ kept telling me to go away...

Boo-yah.

Go away.

That was not a nice thing to say saywat, whether she has been rightly banned, or wrongly banned, it is not a nice comment.

Jason and the ARGonauts

08-20-06, 02:13 PM

I keep forgetting how hilarious you are.

clayseason1

08-20-06, 02:25 PM

When were they banned?...

merry slug

08-20-06, 02:28 PM

And MJ kept telling me to go away...

Boo-yah.

I didn't really support MJ when she told you to go away. But after this comment, I say:

go away.

GrahamK

08-20-06, 02:35 PM

And MJ kept telling me to go away...

Boo-yah.
I never really interacted with either of the banned posters, so I'm not particularly affected by their departure.

However, I fear your comment is insensitive to the upset a lot of people are feeling at the moment - please try to be considerate of them.

silentNate

08-20-06, 02:35 PM

Great- no matter which forums on t'interweb I post on you can guarantee any thread concerning bannings will only end up with such fighting...
I'm grabbing my popcorn and plan to sit this one out and enjoy :popcorn:

Jason and the ARGonauts

08-20-06, 02:46 PM

Sorry, guys. I got rid of it.

DarthKitty

08-20-06, 02:49 PM

You did the right thing^^. :)

clayseason1

08-20-06, 02:50 PM

When were they banned?...

Jason and the ARGonauts

08-20-06, 02:53 PM

Yesterday.

PandoraX

08-20-06, 03:14 PM

clayseason1

08-20-06, 03:19 PM

Regarding Think

From what I understand Think is the poster that created all of the clones and skewed the hiatus poll results.

Notice this comment by Think after the polls closed on 8/16/06

Re: Stop pushing the envelope (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=898069&postcount=9)

There is a rule about clones.

LOST-TV FORUM RULES AND GUIDELINES (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1613)

Now this comment from Suil from IWBL's apology thread
8/18/06 @ 9:22

Wednesday one of the culprits confessed to me and it now being Friday and that person has not posted their public apology, I may be forced to ban that person out of hand.

That's just one person. I made it plain that anyone who admitted what they had done in the polls awards need only step forward and admit it. If we have to ferret you out, I don't care who you are, or how popular you are, you're gone.

I don't know how much more clear I can make this.

So it seems to me that if Think had taken responsibility for her/his actions, admitted the multiple clones and apologized, that she/he would not have been banned.

Is that correct?

JacksGirlfriend

08-20-06, 03:25 PM

snakey

08-20-06, 03:41 PM

This was all going on behind the scenes not on the board where someone was acting all sweetness and light. Neither banning affects me, I cant think of even one post by either,except pictures in the lostaways thread that disturbed me in their total lack of judgement. It is still going on in fact with one of them sending out her email addy thru another poster here for people to contact her. It all comes down to one thing, this is a board about a cool TV show, it's not a substitute for a real life and human interaction, if someone is ill I will make that exception because they cant mix in the world as easily as the rest of us so this is therapeutic almost. To get so wrapped up here with posters that you dont really know what they are like in their real life isnt healthy, to fall in love with posters you've never met is twisted in my opinion. Go out into the world, dont be afraid,there's nutters there too , enough to provide the drama some seem to need. Dont get me wrong I have met some nice people here, they just arent in lieu of anything else in my life, I wont flip out if they dont post again. I hate drama and people that thrive on attention be it positive or negative, to me that's shows someone stunted in their emotional growth. I have fun here and that's my main objective with any board I go to, when someone tries to make it all about them and their vendettas real or imagined, I dont want to participate. I am just glad that I wasnt involved in any of this crappy novela, I look forward to more TLE and S3, this too shall pass.

YouFirst

08-20-06, 03:43 PM

I will sorely miss MJBinNC, and it is not exaggerating to admit that she was one of the main reasons for my desire to keep returning. She kept the forum alive with her wit and optimism. I feel that many of us will be aggrieved by this turn of events.

I completely agree with that. Mary was one of the reasons I kept coming back here and the banning is another reason to stay away. To be honest, I don't think it's coincidence that we don't see a lot of our older posters as much...

merry slug

08-20-06, 03:45 PM

Isn't it ironic that in a thread about repercussions of infighting, that more of this stuff would start up? :) I'm sorry, but all this he-said-she-said drama and off-topic chatter is one of the reasons why I don't even like posting in Lostaways/community lounges. While I am glad to have made the friendships I have here, ultimately it comes down to my interest/fascination/obsession with the tv show.

Actually I thought we were having a pretty reasonable discussion about it. We're not having a catfight -- just expressing our confusion and/or having it explained to us by the mods.

snakey

08-20-06, 03:46 PM

clayseason1

08-20-06, 03:50 PM

The quote is not in reference to Think. We had several people admit to having clones (for all kinds of reasons). Those clones have since been deleted.

Had the multiple cloner come out and admitted it, there was amnesty involved.
Oh, I thought Think was the multiple cloner.

So there's still a member out there that needs to come forward and admit what he/she did? :confused:

YouFirst

08-20-06, 03:51 PM

See this is what I dont get,to me LOST is the reason I came here and I stay here, not any one poster, if that's the case maybe that person should set up their own board so you can all can be with her. it's called Losttv for a reason, I dont want to be inflamatory but this is just not something that makes sense to me at all.

Why should we have to start a new board to maintain friendships we made here? Aye, we came here because of Lost, but this is a COMMUNITY for a reason. Some of us have been here longer and started up great friendships. I can't remember the last time I discussed Lost on here. The only reason I still come is to talk to my mates.

Suil Liath

08-20-06, 03:54 PM

Clay: if anyone who had taken responsibility came forward, they would not be banned. That was pretty plain.

Pandora: the warning issued to both of them in a pm addressed to both was also very very very very plain. Blunt. To the point.

We realize that what we wrote in post number one will be refuted point by point endlessly in phone calls, IM's, PMs', chat, side chat, milk cartons and the local news. Having made an unpopular decision based on weeks' of discussion etc, on the "hair pulling contest" and Liw And Mav and others crawling through the vote count, dates and IP's of clones, the affected polls, there was no alternative.

The law is not fair, even in real life, and it isn't based on "fair". It's based on what keeps the community from beheading each other. Justice can't peek out from underneath the blindfold and say, "I'll ban this person because no one cares about them anyway, but I won't ban THAT person, who has a lot of friends."

We may not like it, and frankly you'll hear a DA say from time to time that he/she did his/her job against her will because -- well--- you gotta have a level playing field.

PandoraX

08-20-06, 03:59 PM

Actually I thought we were having a pretty reasonable discussion about it. We're not having a catfight -- just expressing our confusion and/or having it explained to us by the mods.

merry: I don't think you understand, I was refering to saywat's post, which he/she wisely deleted... not to this discussion at large.

JacksGirlfriend

08-20-06, 03:59 PM

We might have all come here originally for Lost, but that's not the only reason we all stay (although it is for some).

Friendships are great. The threads in Lostaways and the BBR in webmaze are filled with friendships. Chat is filled with people who love to interact in real time. We really don't want to deprive anyone of any friendship they make here. But individuals can't be allowed to create havoc no matter how many friends they have and how well liked they are.

They may be gone from here but they don't have to be gone from your lives. That's your choice. There are many venues out there for people to remain connected. There's MSN, Yahoo, AIM, email, phone. There is also the option of joining and/or creating other boards for like-minded friends. You can even have all the drama you want on your own board. It just can't be done here.

merry slug

08-20-06, 04:01 PM

merry: I don't think you understand, I was refering to saywat's post, which he/she wisely deleted... not to this discussion at large.

Oops - sorry Pan. I'm with you now ;).

And for what it's worth, I understand the banning - at least in part (the part where you can't have a different rule for a popular poster). I'm just working through my grief. Thanks for ginving me a thread to do it in.

Suil Liath

08-20-06, 04:06 PM

YouFirst: Lostaways was created as overflow so people wouldn't have to discuss only Lost 24/7. It was an accomodation to the posters. Please understand that.

Unfortunately, in this subforum as with all the others, you have people who don't go anywhere else and seem to think that only THEIR corner of the board is the reason the ENTIRE board exists. Lostaways isn't the only forum: everyone feels proprietary towards the place where they spend most of their time.

CENSORED

08-20-06, 04:17 PM

Though I don't know too much about the situation, I must say (as a person who has been fairly banned for five days after continuing to not follow rules after a warning) that the judgment of the mods is a fair one. I'm sure they all just didn't say "Well, seems good to me", but fully researched the situation and came to a judgment they all agreed on. As I now fully respect the decision that was made on me, I fully respect whatever decision is made here by the mods and admins. I do thank them for allowing for this thread too, as it has allowed many to come forward with questions.

Budman

08-20-06, 04:35 PM

I think it is unwise of any of us to believe we have a better handle on the circumstances surrounding both the cause and effect of recent events than do the moderators and administrators of this board.

I believe one would be in error to suggest this wasn't an extremely difficult decision, as well that it wasn't made without regard to its impact.

The decision that impacted this outcome wasn't made yesterday by the moderators. It was made two months ago, by the two individuals involved. It wasn't an event perpetrated several days ago in a cloned account scandal that effected the Hiatus Poll it was the reality that people we came to know and trust abused and manipulated that trust.

Sometimes our second chances are those moments of forgiveness, when someone recognized what is happening and forces us to give pause. That moment when the snowball stops on it's own, if you will. As we continue to push, we venture to a point were we neither can control what we started nor stop it. The end result is a snowball the careens its way down a hill without regard to who stands in front of it and or what damage it does when it hits something.

The only thing I'm really trying to say is the responsibility for the situation being discussed today is not with the moderators, but rather the two people involved.

Again, at this point it is far easier to forgive and move on than to dwell on what has happened and condemn. People make mistakes and sometimes those are the people we don't like as well as those we do. Unfortunately, we all have to suffer the consequence of the actions of a few people.

Jason and the ARGonauts

08-20-06, 04:35 PM

Wait, merry, are you mad at me?

DarthKitty

08-20-06, 04:53 PM

Great analogy, Them. I completely agree.

BubbleBoy13

08-20-06, 05:14 PM

This sucks about Mary and Think...so they were definately the ones who hijacked the polls? Did they openly admit to it?

Scott

08-20-06, 05:18 PM

This sucks about Mary and Think...so they were definately the ones who hijacked the polls? Did they openly admit to it?

Have you read...any of this thread?

No, Mary did not do the hijacking, Think did.

merry slug

08-20-06, 05:21 PM

Wait, merry, are you mad at me?

Not terribly. You edited your comment - I'm okay with that.

BubbleBoy13

08-20-06, 05:28 PM

Have you read...any of this thread?

No, Mary did not do the hijacking, Think did.

I read the first post, but I thought that was the only important part....thanks though.

Brian

08-20-06, 05:30 PM

Will New results be posted now,or are we just gonna call this a "rained out game"?
As of right now, only mod/admin team has all of the finalized results, as does the Hiatus Award team. MLHTY has to have them to do his writing for the Red Carpet Extravaganza.

After he's announced the winners at the show, I will then post the complete results (not just the winners) in that same thread. There has been a huge effort to clean up the poll results...one that's taken about 4 days. The results are coming soon.

Thanks for your patience.

RunLoganRun

08-20-06, 05:43 PM

All I know, is that a blight has corrupted something I loved dearly. Whatever happens, we cannot go back to that ideal refuge that we once had. We forget that this is a place for community. But, it isn't the end-all of the universe.

What the heck are you talking about ? The way back is to eliminate the immature individuals from this board, so that, the rest of us can enjoy our time here. We overcame the same nonsense last year, and we can do it again. I thank the mods for banning these people - way to go !

YouFirst

08-20-06, 05:54 PM

What the heck are you talking about ? The way back is to eliminate the immature individuals from this board, so that, the rest of us can enjoy our time here. We overcame the same nonsense last year, and we can do it again. I thank the mods for banning these people - way to go !

Did you know Mary? I doubt it. You're judging her by what you hear in this thread. What's the point of coming in here to slam her? The reason we're bothered is because Mary contributed to mine and others' fun and enjoyment of the board. We're gonna try to move on from it, so we don't need people coming in slamming our friends.

Scott

08-20-06, 05:56 PM

What the heck are you talking about ? The way back is to eliminate the immature individuals from this board, so that, the rest of us can enjoy our time here. We overcame the same nonsense last year, and we can do it again. I thank the mods for banning these people - way to go !

I'm not going to flame you, though I find that offensive to both Think and Mary. This thread is for discussion (if needed) of those bannings, not to flame those who got banned. Both of them were nice in their own way, now don't be mean.

JacksGirlfriend

08-20-06, 05:57 PM

This isn't a thread to slam anyone. It's merely to try to answer your questions as best we can, because we know some of you have concerns.

Ellaroo

08-20-06, 07:18 PM

TBC: Think's actions can be view as an escalation following something that Mary did which was pretty heinous
JG: You'll just have to trust us on this.

Firstly I do appreciate that it was decided to given us an explanation of sorts here. I know it's a break from the normal procedure.

I obviously don't know the details of what went on, but it's difficult to just accept 'trust me on this'. That means me trusting people I don't know over the word of a friend - who doesn't have the chance to defend themselves in regard to what has gone on.

I'm sure no one ever intended things to go this far. It's upsetting for all concerned that is has.

Chance Gardener

08-20-06, 07:51 PM

well, there's a reason his initials are RLR (riler).

I've been here long enough, participated in enough situations here past and present, to have a fair grasp of the principles involved. The situation being commented on is nothing like last year.

I've been involved in situations here that led to posters being banned (and just why the hell is Suil swim nubbin now?) and I've been on the receiving end as well with being threatened (both rightly and wrongly) with banning. Seems I can be upsetting at times to others. Go figure.

Further, I like both of them well enough. In general both have been good community members and from my broader perspective have generally been good posters in that they aren't squee'ers or quote happy newbs (Quowbies). And like many here, I know one more than the other but I like both nevertheless. For me personally, they've been good to spend time with.

But in this case, knowing many of the mods as I do, knowing the folks banned as I do, and hearing enough from the fringes as I often seem to, I have to tell you that this situation again is in no way like last year's situation. I have felt that there have been bannings in the past that were not for the good of the community but for the satisfaction of the banners. I have seen many instances of personality conflict being resolved simply because one of the folks involved was a mod and had the power to ban.

That isn't the case from what I have seen here. This is the very thing I've always wished would be done when there is a dispute of this magnitude and more importantly that the follow through be done if the lines that were laid down got crossed. From reading this thread, it seems clear to me that BOTH did continue on after the warning. You could argue that the mods should have done a temp ban first but contrariness aside, these are not clueless newbs (clewbs) we are discussing here.

For myself, I care less about whether or not a mod is "abusing their power" or just being a rectal cavity with a serious blockage caused by arboreal matter (do you really need me to translate THAT one?) but rather are they being CONSISTENT in their behavior. As long as they are consistent, I don't care too much how reasonable or not they are. And from all I've read here (do people STILL NOT READ before posting???? STILL?????????) about this situation, they have stayed consistent with the stated rules and with their individual warnings to the ones banned.

Though I will say the first post in this thread would have been funnier (and hotter) if Suil had posted a pic of herself in black leather with a whip and a cig dangling from her lips and a caption reading: "Ve haf vays uf making you behave"

Subject # 4815162342

08-20-06, 08:05 PM

I'm very sorry that those people who have developed friendships with Mary feel that this outcome was unfair.........but come on:

If you rob a bank,you're a bankrobber....if you DRIVE THE GETAWAY car,you're a bankrobber.If you know all about the robbery,but were'nt even there,and the authorities interview you at length and give you many warnings to the effect that witholding information is a felony and will implicate you to the crime,and you refuse to cooperate....you're a bankrobber.

Fair warning is fair warning , no matter how many friends you have....or who they are.

I am sorry,but I have little sympathy for a CHEATER CHEATER PUMPKIN EATER.

(and that's not a slam on anyone,it's a statement regarding rules,violation of rules,TRUST,violation of TRUST,and community,and violation of community....just because someone had alot to add to the community does'nt mean they should be immune to the laws.Especially when given every sober oportunity to come clean.)

SareEru

08-20-06, 08:26 PM

I understand that both Mary and Think were warned. I understand that there was a feud between them that had no place on this forum. Admittedly, I don't know the particulars and I can't make a fair judgement, on either of them. I didn't even know there were issues between the two of them until yesterday. I humbly request that we at least allow them the opportunity to express earnest regret and apologize over the recent turn of events. Should they be willing to admit their mistakes and promise to never bring such personal drama to the forefront again, shouldn't they be allowed to be placed on parole? Even our unfair judicial system allows for such circumstances. Can we not afford to extend this offer to both parties involved and allow them each a chance at redemption?

Subject # 4815162342

08-20-06, 08:31 PM

I understand that both Mary and Think were warned. ..... Can we not afford to extend this offer to both parties involved and allow them each a chance at redemption?

That was part of the warning.....come forward,come clean........4 days and it did'nt happen.....hence;Banhammer.

(as is my understanding)

Frecklestoo

08-20-06, 08:36 PM

I'm just not getting what everyone's not getting!?!?!:banghead: Weren't these two people given the opportunity to confess, apologize, and make nice? Lots of nice people make mistakes, but that doesn't mean they should continually get away with the same mistakes! It also doesn't mean that they aren't still nice.

They made their beds......I'm just sayin'...
:Hippy:

SareEru

08-20-06, 08:37 PM

That was part of the warning.....come forward,come clean........4 days and it did'nt happen.....hence;Banhammer.

(as is my understanding)Yes, but from Suil's explanation, only one could have come forward. The other should not have been banned when she could not have possibly known that the other was responsible for something so over-the-line. I beg again that these posters be allowed a chance to apologise. Even defendants found guilty in a court of law have the right to make a statement. And such statements can be effective and sincere enough to cause a judge to reconsider their sentence.

LostInWilderness

08-20-06, 08:40 PM

YouFirst

08-20-06, 08:46 PM

Yes, but from Suil's explanation, only one could have come forward. The other should not have been banned when she could not have possibly known that the other was responsible for something so over-the-line. I beg again that these posters be allowed a chance to apologise. Even defendants found guilty in a court of law have the right to make a statement. And such statements can be effective and sincere enough to cause a judge to reconsider their sentence.

Yeah. Maybe if they were allowed to speak for themselves it would clear some things up. I'm gathering that the people who don't know them are getting a low opinion of them.

merry slug

08-20-06, 08:55 PM

Deleted on request.

SareEru

08-20-06, 08:56 PM

They've had more than enough chances already. In hindsight, I have to say they were given far more leeway than we should have allowed because both were friends with staff members, and they were popular, long time posters. If you remember, we held the amnesty offer open for over a day. The time for another chance has passed.I'm not necessarily saying they warrant a second chance, since that seems to be an issue from which the mods won't alter the decision. I just implore the powers-that-be to allow them each a single post to express their regrets about what has occurred, from there we can all move on.

Ellaroo

08-20-06, 08:58 PM

Merry - are you for real? Mary had nothing to do with the vote scandal. So how the hell was she supposed to come forward in the amnesty?

LostInWilderness

08-20-06, 08:59 PM

from there we can all move on.
We move on from here.

Chance Gardener

08-20-06, 10:16 PM

Back when I was gentler (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2656)

JacksGirlfriend

08-20-06, 10:25 PM

Harmony is always good.

Jason and the ARGonauts

08-20-06, 10:30 PM

I don't know, I like peace...

Joy isn't that bad...

Mysterious Mike

08-20-06, 10:56 PM

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Ren_and_Stimpy.jpg/250px-Ren_and_Stimpy.jpg

DarthKitty

08-20-06, 11:03 PM

OMG! I love them! That is just what this thread needed!

Noav Sigless

08-20-06, 11:54 PM

While this does involve the bizarre attempt to steal several polls, that's not the main reason we banned them.

This is a very important part of the first post.

We don't usually discuss bans

This is another.

We have not said who the clone voter was. If you know for a fact who it was and have evidence to prove it, please, share that evidence with the mods. We have our own evidence but more would be appreciated.

In any case, please, don't make accusations based on assumptions.

NeillT006

08-20-06, 11:59 PM

In any case, please, don't make accusations based on assumptions.

I have found that stating it the other way around is a pretty good rule to live by as well.

N.

Noav Sigless

08-21-06, 12:09 AM

Benny Hill taught me what happens when one assumes.

Vitriol

08-21-06, 12:18 AM

Benny Hill taught me what happens when one assumes.

Yes, I think we all did.:Cheers:

TheBigCat

08-21-06, 01:17 AM

From the thread linked by Chance

I'm not sure I'm ready to be nice yet

Unless you have been around a long time you will have no idea why I find that so hilarious. :P

rosalind711

08-21-06, 01:20 AM

wow, a lot can happen in the time it takes me to be gone for a weekend mini holiday.

Rocky Raccoon

08-21-06, 01:22 AM

Unless you have been around a long time you will have no idea why I find that so hilarious. :P

*Thinks about the midget story*

gertie

08-21-06, 01:48 AM

Clayseason1:

I'm puzzled about the Think quote. I see nothing in that that speaks of any guilt! Would you please explain to me?

Re: Stop pushing the envelope (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=898069&postcount=9)

IwannaBlost

08-21-06, 02:01 AM

i know I have no right to speak on this issue, but I am alittle puzzled by something.

What puzzles me is the thread that was started in polls...by one of the "alleged" clone names that registered on the 16th. The poster confessed to doing the cloning and the clone voting and they also specifically mentioned 3 of the nominees. The poster stated they were a season 2 lurker and that they set out to sway the awards. (this thread has since been deleted)

Maybe I am wrong, but that thread alone makes me believe that the cloner is neither one of the banned members. My concern is ...is the cloner still at large.

cricer

08-21-06, 02:03 AM

Thanks for the explanation, it's really too bad they couldn't live past their differences. They were such kind people.
But the correct decision nonetheless Suil, thank-you for making this case an exception and explaining!

LostInWilderness

08-21-06, 02:11 AM

What puzzles me is the thread that was started in polls...by one of the "alleged" clone names that registered on the 16th. The poster confessed to doing the cloning and the clone voting and they also specifically mentioned 3 of the nominees. The poster stated they were a season 2 lurker and that they set out to sway the awards. (this thread has since been deleted)
That was one of the clones. We know who the cloner is, and she is gone, unless she created another clone I haven't discovered so far. Please don't bother to speculate on who did the cloning, but if you have any inside info on the subject, I'd love to hear it via PM.

DreaminLost

08-21-06, 02:18 AM

Just curious. Since you made public the names of the others that were banned, will you make public the name of the one that instigated the mass cloning?

Ooops. I see you just edited to say we shouldn't speculate on who it was.

LostInWilderness

08-21-06, 02:27 AM

We didn't leave the job undone. We have banned the cloner and deleted all the clones. This thread is not about that though. We wanted to explain the larger issue why both members were banned.

The Central Scrutinizer

08-21-06, 02:53 AM

I swear there's a Michelle Rodriguez analogy in here somewhere, but I'm not going to ponder it at the moment. Deadwood was on tonight and I'm watching 2 documentaries about the upcoming season of The Wire.

Anyway, good job Mods. I barely knew Think and came across MJB a few times and both were pleasant enough. Voting scandal or not, if there was envelope pushing, stretching, bending, folding and mutilating--especially after being warned--you did the right thing.

Mattie

08-21-06, 02:58 AM

People need to understand that this isn't all about the voting scandal. We're not saying Think was responsible and Mary wasn't, or Mary was responsible and Think wasn't.

It goes far above & beyond the voting clones.

Both people were warned (weeks before the voting scandal even took place), both ignored the warnings, and both did things that all of you are unaware of.

Are you going to get specific details on exactly what happened? No, because that would be a total invasion of privacy for all parties. A lot goes on through PM's, a lot of other events took place, and really, you just have to trust that the mods and admins know what they are doing in this matter. If you don't, we're not going to come back with "Well, since you don't believe us...here's the transcripts and break down of events..."

No. It is what it is.

vonnegut

08-21-06, 03:18 AM

:yeah:

I liked Mary a lot, I chatted with Think a lot, and it sucks that they're gone.

But I don't think any of us can presume to know anything, next to what the mods know.

Honestly, I can't even IMAGINE a veteran poster like Mary or Think being banned without damn good reason.

I don't know what the reason was... but I don't need to know, because, as KF2 says, that's personal.

If the mods decided unanimously to do this, I don't think it's some arbitrary, reactionary banning. There must have been some crazy stuff going on that we had no idea about.

TerminalFrost

08-21-06, 03:22 AM

I just wanted to chime in here with my piddly 2 cents worth.

I didn't really know these folks either. I'm not really a denizen of Lostaways, just sort of sticking my toes in now and then.

From what I've read, the Admins and Mods took the only correct course. If anyone has been warned to discontinue certain action, and does not heed the warnings, then something MUST be done.

Reading all this just makes me that much more happy that I am not a Mod or an Admin. It puts me in mind of a quote from Bill Engvall...

"Its like taking a job with Port-A-Potty. You know you're just going to stand around and catch crap all day."

I just want to take this opportunity to thank Suil for providing us with this space to gather together and share ideas. And I would also like to thank the other Admins and Moderators for all the hard work they put in. Without all of you, this place would cease to be.

Don't think that gets said often enough. I believe we all really do appreciate the work that you all put into this place.

Noav Sigless

08-21-06, 03:36 AM

Reading all this just makes me that much more happy that I am not a Mod or an Admin. It puts me in mind of a quote from Bill Engvall...

"Its like taking a job with Port-A-Potty. You know you're just going to stand around and catch crap all day."

If I had a sig, I would put this in it.

Suil Liath

08-21-06, 04:28 AM

So maybe we need to submit "moderator" to "America's Dirtiest Jobs"

John

08-21-06, 05:07 AM

If I had a sig, I would put this in it.

Hmmm... My tired old sig needs a revamp I think. *ponders*

Seriously, I am happy to see that for the vast majority of this thread people are being quite civil and understanding about the decision that we had to make.

The staff cares about this place. That's why we're staff. It's been said many times now, but what was done was for the good of the board and the community. When JG said that you would just have to trust us, it was because that's the way that it is.

As KF2 mentioned, there are privacy issues. Have any of you ever received a PM from a staff member calling you on some BS? Would you have preferred that we just posted the reprimand in an open forum for discussion by all members and for viewing by anyone that has an internet connection? I'd think the answer would be "No!". In learning to be a mod, I made some mistakes. The admin that corrected me was kind enough to send me a PM rather than make it public. I'm thankful to this day.

Yes, Mary and Think will be missed. I know them both. I'm sad that it came to this, but this is what had to be done. Let's not try to make a theory out of this. Let's just let it be.

jaystao

08-21-06, 07:32 AM

man, I always miss the good fights, damn well story of my life. All this juicy action going on and I was around the corner tieing my shoe laces. I'm not to sure I know these two miscreants but they sound like bad bad people and I'm glad I never got involved in their circle of debauchery. I might have started taking P or something or trying to sell Amway/watch tower to my friends. Disturbing. Having not much to do with this case my comments are meaningless and empty, but I wish I had seen any shirt or hair pulling if indeed there was any.

Noav Sigless

08-21-06, 10:05 AM

but they sound like bad bad people

They are not bad people, far from it actually. They just made bad decisions.

DarthKitty

08-21-06, 12:20 PM

I would hope that's sarcasm, Jay. If not, that is not cool to make statements like that.....just sayin'. :)

jaystao

08-21-06, 12:21 PM

People can get carried away I guess. Apologies, I dont know any of the politics or the reasons and my comment was unjustified to my knowledge. Just fed up with current hiatus. Mouth all over the place. Best to stay out of it.

DarthKitty

08-21-06, 12:39 PM

If only more folks would be so quick to take accountability for their actions......

ILikeLostBrunettes

08-21-06, 01:47 PM

If only more folks would be so quick to take accountability for their actions......

You DO live in the 21st Century, do you not?

DarthKitty

08-21-06, 03:43 PM

Notice the if only.

Son of Locke

08-21-06, 03:49 PM

You DO live in the 21st Century, do you not?Hey, my first post got clipped/deleted! Was it offensive? Reposting for clarity...

Yeah, as if "he said, she said" wasn't the oldest story in the BOOK.
003:012 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me,
she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

003:013 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou
hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I
did eat.

sawyerhasbestlines

08-21-06, 03:51 PM

threadjack: Who won the awards? Is there a list?
/threadjack

~G~

08-21-06, 04:07 PM

threadjack: Who won the awards? Is there a list?
/threadjack

I believe it will be announced Wednesday.

Warthawg1

08-21-06, 04:10 PM

I believe it will be announced Wednesday.

Looking at people's siggy's today; I would note that an announcement on Wednesday is a bit anticlimatic.

juanbong

08-21-06, 04:20 PM

Quoted by Warty:
Looking at people's siggy's today; I would note that an announcement on Wednesday is a bit anticlimatic.

Seems so. Premature, eh?

Quoted by SHBL:
threadjack: Who won the awards? Is there a list?
/threadjack

Yes there is a list. A couple of us who helped out have it. Got any good bribes?

merry slug

08-21-06, 04:27 PM

Looking at people's siggy's today; I would note that an announcement on Wednesday is a bit anticlimatic.

Depends on whether MLHTY will be MC'ing - he's usually worth a show of his own :D.

The Central Scrutinizer

08-21-06, 04:35 PM

Looking at people's siggy's today; I would note that an announcement on Wednesday is a bit anticlimatic.

Seems so. Premature, eh?

Maybe I oughta turn Show Pictures on in my browser.

I Like Freckles

08-21-06, 04:48 PM

Nice sig, TCS. LOL.

Son of Locke

08-21-06, 04:58 PM

Nice sig, TCS. LOL.Perhaps you'd care to express that sentiment "in writing" here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23608)?

sawyerhasbestlines

08-21-06, 05:08 PM

Yes there is a list. Got any good bribes?

...off working on it

I Like Freckles

08-21-06, 05:40 PM

Perhaps you'd care to express that sentiment "in writing" here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23608)?
Well, I apparently already voted, but I think that was like three signatures ago. We almost need a daily TCS signature poll. Oh, the humanity.

merry slug

08-21-06, 05:55 PM

Both people were warned (weeks before the voting scandal even took place), both ignored the warnings, and both did things that all of you are unaware of.

Yet what I'm hearing is that both were warned that if one of them stepped out of line, both would be banned.

I'm still struggling with the "justice" in that, and so I'm going to have to accept the fact that we will never know exactly what happened. I promise to try to move on.

Mattie

08-21-06, 06:06 PM

Yet what I'm hearing is that both were warned that if one of them stepped out of line, both would be banned.

I'm still struggling with the "justice" in that, and so I'm going to have to accept the fact that we will never know exactly what happened. I promise to try to move on.

I don't want to type out a huge history of how I've been through this before; but I played on a game site for many years...3-4 and one day my BEST partner was banned from the site. She was never an angel, but I thought she did almost nothing to get banned. I talked to her through instant messages day in and day out, and she swore up and down to me she didn't do anything to get banned. Every single one of her friends took up her defense because we knew she was innocent and didn't do anything, it was the other person's fault.

The policy there was that sysops (equivalent of a moderator) were not allowed to discuss accounts or what is said through PM's or emails. That was further proof to us that she was innocent and being unfairly banned. I mean, if they had the proof, they'd show it! Surely they would. But they didn't. They stood by their morals and said no, it was an invasion of privacy even for someone who was banned. They felt strongly about this and never waivered! A year later that same "innocent" friend came forward and emailed everyone who took her side and admitted to what she did. I was blown away. EVERYONE was blown away! I thought I knew her, believed her, stood up for her, and wow...completely blindsided.

Now, I'm not saying that's what's going on here in either case for the banned parties. What I'm saying is, there was a whooooooole slew of information that the moderators of that game site knew, but would never share. There's a whole lot here that we've seen, heard, and had proof of but will never be willing to share. It's private and has to stay private, but both people did things that were wrong, and not just once but repeatedly...they were warned and for weeks the behavior continued, this was just 'the last straw' (for lack of a better phrase). Mary wasn't banned because Think didn't stop and Think wasn't banned because Mary didn't stop, because neither of them did.

I realize friends of either of these people will have a hard time taking any of it in, or even believing it. I was in those shoes. I would have bet my house and swore on a stack of bibles that my friend was the less guilty person out of that banning situation too. But even friends don't always tell other friends every detail of the facts. It's a lot easier to blame the other side and keep what you've done in the dark.

ILikeLostBrunettes

08-21-06, 06:11 PM

Too bad Janelle is going home this week... wait.. wrong thread? :) haha

Mattie

08-21-06, 06:14 PM

They would die before their stroke fell!

The Central Scrutinizer

08-21-06, 07:25 PM

Well, I apparently already voted, but I think that was like three signatures ago. We almost need a daily TCS signature poll. Oh, the humanity.

My greatest fear is of becoming creatively bankrupt--I might turn into the M. Knight Shyamalan of signature banners.

The trailer for my next signature might be better than the real thing.

oops, sorry for the threadjack.

Go Mods!

merry slug

08-21-06, 07:27 PM

Somebody lock this, please? We're not getting anywhere.

Warthawg1

08-21-06, 07:27 PM

Be careful.. there are a lot of M Knight Shyamalan fans with absolutely no sense of humor.

merry slug

08-21-06, 07:30 PM

Be careful.. there are a lot of M Knight Shyamalan fans with absolutely no sense of humor.

And they're all connected by baby monitors.

NokomisIsABadRobot

08-21-06, 08:23 PM

2 cents ...

1 cent= I am 100% behind the Mods for the painstaking decision they so obviously wrestled with for weeks before taking the action they felt appropriate. I am 100% behind the Mods putting this thread up to announce the banned names publicly so we can all get beyond the ''who's on first'' game. I am 100% behind the Mod named Suil having the final say on her board.

1 cent= As long as this thread is up.. it should be up for people who not only disagree, but for those who agree.. Not everything written by someone who agrees with the Mods on this is an anti Mary bashfest. I dont care who the posters are, if they screwed up.. buybye. and as long as this thread is up for 'discussion' it shouldnt mean I am horrible for thinking this because some people were friends with the banned posters. 'Discussion' is 2 sides of the story. People are entitled to their personal opinions about the subject without being told they should delete them because someone didnt like it.

Rocky Raccoon

08-21-06, 08:41 PM

Amen.

merry slug

08-21-06, 09:26 PM

2 cents ...

1 cent= I am 100% behind the Mods for the painstaking decision they so obviously wrestled with for weeks before taking the action they felt appropriate. I am 100% behind the Mods putting this thread up to announce the banned names publicly so we can all get beyond the ''who's on first'' game. I am 100% behind the Mod named Suil having the final say on her board.

1 cent= As long as this thread is up.. it should be up for people who not only disagree, but for those who agree.. Not everything written by someone who agrees with the Mods on this is an anti Merry bashfest. I dont care who the posters are, if they screwed up.. buybye. and as long as this thread is up for 'discussion' it shouldnt mean I am horrible for thinking this because some people were friends with the banned posters. 'Discussion' is 2 sides of the story. People are entitled to their personal opinions about the subject without being told they should delete them because someone didnt like it.

Anti Merry, or anti- Mary?