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From the Tail Section : http://www.thetailsection.com/lost_spoilers/spoilerpalooza_part_1.php#more
Think you've seen some "lord of the flies" action? Think again! Get ready for politics-on-the-beach when the clique returns Jack-less and limping to confront a populace ready for regime change, and an aggressive new leader with a dangerous motivation.
Son of Locke
08-23-06, 01:35 PM
Three groups of three strong leaders are currently "gone" (however long) from "main camp":
A) Jack, Kate, Sawyer
B) Locke, Eko, Desmond
C) Jin, Sun, Sayid
That leaves, Hurley (on his way back), and...Charlie?
Is that the implied aggressive/dangerously motivated leader? Interesting...
carmela
08-23-06, 01:36 PM
Very interesting, flub. Thanks!
Who is the returning "clique"? Sayid, Sun and Jin perhaps. There has been little speculation about them and their unsucccessful boat trip.
Who is the aggressive new leader? Probably Locke, finding his opportunity to take control now that Jack is gone. I don't quite see Eko or Desmond stepping up.
What about Hurley? Could we see a change in this character? Does he see it as his mission to save J/K/S?
GerfalconCP
08-23-06, 01:40 PM
I'm going to throw something really random in here and hope that it's Danielle ... just because I want more Mira Furlan.
but yes, i imagine it is Charlie.
carmela
08-23-06, 01:44 PM
I'm going to throw something really random in here and hope that it's Danielle ... just because I want more Mira Furlan.
but yes, i imagine it is Charlie.
I would love to see Hurley and Danielle join forces but you may be right about Charlie and his "dangerous motivations". He acted very odd in that last island scene in the S2 Finale.
Dezdemona
08-23-06, 01:49 PM
The spoiler doesn't indicate a time line. The returning clique referred to could include a rescued/escaped Kate and Sawyer, and this could be referencing a period a few episodes in.
I must say I hate the phrasing of the spoiler as it seems to indicate in a sort of backhanded way that the group is incapable of surviving in a civilized manner without the benevolent Saint Jack around to run things. Blah. :mad:
Oooh, interesting spoiler. I don't think the leader will be Locke. I think his character will return to the wilderness man from Season 1. I don't see Hurley, Claire, Sawyer, Jin or Sun as leader material. And I have doubts about Desmond (too new to the group), Charlie (not trusted by the group) and Danielle (also not trusted).
That would leave Kate, Eko, Sayid and Michael. I think Michael and Sayid would be very interesting choices. I sure would pick Sayid for my leader in the absence of Jack (he gets a bad rap but has done well considering). Both could be "aggressive" and have "dangerous" motivations.
GerfalconCP
08-23-06, 03:33 PM
well since Michael has no plans to be on the island anytime soon, as he's not a part of the core cast this season, i'm sure it's not him. plus, all anybody would have to say is that he's the one who killed A-L and Lib and no one would follow him anymore. Sayid, however, would be an awesome choice for trying to take over leadership! anymore screen time for Naveen would be a blessing come true. I've said time and time again how he and Claire are the most underused characters and hopefully they fix that this season.
So Sayid, Danielle, or Charlie as the new leader is my guess.
Good point about Michael.
Eko could be an interesting choice as well. He came down with button-pushing-itis last season, and he has very definite ideas about the island, which could lead him to be an aggressive and dangerous leader, too.
ZigbertToshicus
08-23-06, 03:57 PM
I think it's the Brazilian Tom Cruise guy. I don't trust Brazilians. Or Tom Cruise.
Well, I'm going to bet on...
Rose.
I think the Losties would trust her much more than Charlie, and I've always felt there was something off about her. She had that earth-mother thing going and all that stuff about knowing Bernard was alive and having this mind-meld with him, and then when he gets there all she does is abuse him.
Also about the candy bar. Bernard, the dentist, doesn't seem to have an actual sweet tooth. We saw Rose pass Bernard by and give the box of Dharmalars to Hurley (again, this is not good for Hurley yet she hands him all this sugary junk with a big smile). So she lied about that Apollo bar back when. I think she just wanted it for herself but she made it seem all spiritual and heroic to impress everyone else.
I find her suspicious and she has everything needed to take control and run things according to her own whims.
-- volney
Madrid14
08-23-06, 04:14 PM
She is like the Oracle in the Matrix lollol i hope its Sayid when he gets back
interplanetjanet
08-23-06, 04:27 PM
Like Ziggy, I immediately thought this was how they would introduce their new guy, with the new non-blond girl as his loyal follower, thereby obviating the need for any other dissatisfied redshirts to have speaking parts. (I suppose those could be reversed, but given season 2...)
Bernard and Charlie will try to lead, but they aren't cut out for it. Locke really wants the spirit guide role, letting someone else handle admin, and he's very much on his own quest here. Sayid's hard to argue with, but if he's on rescue mission and then wounded or incapacitated, things could move on to present him with a new world order when he does return to the beach. (He'd be my first choice for new leader, but that spoiler really sounds like a new guy.)
OMG its LFG
08-23-06, 04:51 PM
OMG what??!?!? Come on now, are they implying that Kate and Sawyer will return to beach, sans jack, and everyone will flip out? This is not Lord of the Rings! I dont want it to resemble it. At all!
trashcan_man
08-23-06, 05:17 PM
please let it be locke
Suh...weet. I hope it goes Lord of the Flies real fast.
Hurley4Prez
08-23-06, 05:36 PM
^ Agreed. We were promised a more LOTF theme in S2, so I hope they finally deliver on that promise this season.
I think it's the Brazilian Tom Cruise guy. I don't trust Brazilians. Or Tom Cruise.
Thats my thought too, much more likely that some red shirts are gonna rise up and bring about a split in the camp.
I'd say that the three most likely are Charlie/Eko/Locke.
bigmouth
08-23-06, 06:20 PM
Bernard did try to organize the SOS, and he does have a secret motive (i.e., Rose's cancer)...
Great spoiler, flub!
pringlelfc
08-23-06, 06:35 PM
Bernard did try to organize the SOS, and he does have a secret motive (i.e., Rose's cancer)...
Great spoiler, flub!
secret motive to what?
From the things they said just before the start S2, they planned the LOF thing to happen or begin in that season.
AL was supposed to be a challenge to Jack's cilvilized method of leading as well as a love interest. The relationship was going to have a great deal of friction apparently. But things fell apart with the problems they had with her, the arrest of the unpopularity, whatever.It looks like they're going to do it with someone else in the role of the savage leader.
If it's true, it's ironic that the unrest among the Losties will be faced by everyone but Jack, who's incompetant leadership caused much of the mess in the first place.
AdamCrew
08-24-06, 12:13 AM
My theory is that they go leaderless, but it is so brief that TPTB don't bother to establish a new leader.
Vahan Solar
08-24-06, 01:44 AM
This spoiler is way too vague but I imagine Locke will end up being the agressive new leader ... he was leader #2 before with Jackass around and now no Jack plus I think Locke will be changed like Charlie seemed to be "the sickness" perhaps showing itself for the first time. I wanna know who the clique thats returning is ... Hurley and Sayid? Thats all that comes back right away I would imagine anyways ... Hurley wasnt really part of the inner circle either ... this spoiler is mostly useless.
"The sickness" may not actually be a clinical disease but something else that alters peoples minds and changes their personalities but who knows. This is the same show where the Black Rock ended up being a ship so who knows what the sickness really is.
OMG its LFG
08-24-06, 02:21 AM
why dont they all go LOTF against jack and just kill him.
why dont they all go LOTF against jack and just kill him.
Because in reality, love him or hate him, if they kill off Jack at this point, or Sawyer, Locke, or Kate,.....they'll disrupt the fanbase...shaky as it is. This is still television and television is still all about $$$$$. Kill the fanbase and you kill the revenue....kill the revenue and not only are TPTB (temporarily) out of a job, we're out of a show. Basic economics I'm afraid. They won't kill off Jack. They had their chance in Pilot. Too late now.
Maybe we should discuss this in WHATDAHELL, but it seems no matter how they try, TPTB are stuck with the fact people tune in to see the characters in the situation they write, not merely a plot with anyone thrown in it.
If they can establish new characters and they become popular enough, then they can off anyone without too much worry. Or do what they said they would do, fade them into the background as they finish with thier flashbacks.
TPTP
The Powers That Pee?
...I'm twelve.
joethomson
08-24-06, 04:58 PM
Don't forget little turniphead... I'm still suspicious of him. I think he has Baby Isabelle of "The 4400" potential.
I'm thinking that Locke's "two players" backgammon speech may come to fruition here and that he and Eko will assume the seperate leadership roles.
Son of Locke
08-24-06, 08:22 PM
I'm thinking that Locke's "two players" backgammon speech may come to fruition here and that he and Eko will assume the seperate leadership roles.Oooooh. Nice. I'd like to see that poll. Love him, but I don't think Boxman has a chance against Killer Nigerian Warlord.
Noav Sigless
08-24-06, 10:44 PM
I would find it hard to believe if the Lostaways accepted Locke as a leader. He got Boone killed and blew up the hatch. This guys record stinks.
I'd agree, if only the Lostaways ever made rational decisions.
I thought they planted the seeds for rebellion when Sawyer made his speech after taking the guns. He finally voiced what many have been saying all along, why don't these people ever question the currant "leadership" about anything? It's hard to get a group of firends to agree where to meet for drinks or dinner , yet this group is content to mill around like cattle in the field chewing thier cuds and letting a few make all of the important decisions for them.
The Powers That Pee?
...I'm twelve.
Oops.....I fixed it. I've been talking to another mod way too much I guess. :)
GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 02:07 AM
I thought they planted the seeds for rebellion when Sawyer made his speech after taking the guns. He finally voiced what many have been saying all along, why don't these people ever question the currant "leadership" about anything? It's hard to get a group of firends to agree where to meet for drinks or dinner , yet this group is content to mill around like cattle in the field chewing thier cuds and letting a few make all of the important decisions for them.
How do we know the redshirts haven't already done the sensible thing, traveled to the other side of the island, and found the club med situated right there. that's going to be the actual jaw-dropping, jump the shark moment. The Redshirts figure everything out and just decide not to tell anybody else. :rolleyez:
BubbleBoy13
08-25-06, 02:11 AM
Didnt see anything about these, but if there is something, do what you need to do, mods.
From www.spoilerfix.com (http://www.spoilerfix.com)
http://www.spoilerfix.com/images/new.gif 08/24 - It will be revealed that Jack has met one of "The Others" back in the real world; this will relate to why he is the only one they are able to cooperate with, although he will be extremely wary in the beginning. Get ready for politics-on-the-beach when the clique returns Jack-less and limping to confront a populace ready for regime change, and an aggressive new leader with a dangerous motivation. Source: The Tail Section (http://www.thetailsection.com/)
http://www.spoilerfix.com/images/new.gif 08/24 - [During the Season 2 DVD Launch Party,] Matthew Fox was on set shooting flashback scenes with Julie Bowen (who plays Jack's wife, Sarah). Source: USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-08-16-lost-DVD-party_x.htm?POE=LIFISVA)
I think we all know about the second one, but what about the first one?
If jack has met an Other outside of the island, and that would make him able to cooperate, could this lead to him becoming an Other, like one rumor going around has stated?
Speculate and fire away...
Hurley4Prez
08-25-06, 02:14 AM
^ They decide not to tell anyone else? Sounds like the rest of S1 and 2 to me.
GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 02:21 AM
nobody tells anybody anything on this island. why would the redshirts change the ideology here? :)
GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 02:22 AM
Actually, the first thing is being duscussed in teh Going Lord of the Flies (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=918133#post918133) thread! Enjoy!
Hmmm.....to steal a line from Noav......mergification.
Frankly I'd love to see the Redshirts asserting themselves. Every leader, good bad or just so-so, has to deal with the people they're leading. I know time is an issue, but the smoke monster is more realistic than a group of survivors not saying something about what's happening around them.
And they probably will. Rodrigo may be the leader that emerges from Camp Redshirt.
GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 02:52 AM
And they probably will. Rodrigo may be the leader that emerges from Camp Redshirt.
I'm starting to think this too. Especially since he recently pretty much admitted in a Brazilian newspaper that he won't be in Hawaii long ... can you say "Sawyer gets pissed and shoots the new hotty out of jealousy?" ;)
GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 03:04 AM
yup. that would go in here: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23769 ... or can just be deleted ... we've had three of these in the past 15 minutes! :rolleyez:
Hurley4Prez
08-25-06, 03:06 AM
This has been posted, but I think this line confirms that Jack will choose to stay with the Others:
Get ready for politics-on-the-beach when the clique returns Jack-less and limping to confront a populace ready for regime change, and an aggressive new leader with a dangerous motivation. Source: The Tail Section
This has been posted, but I think this line confirms that Jack will choose to stay with the Others:
Quote:
Originally Posted by lurkeeloo
Get ready for politics-on-the-beach when the clique returns Jack-less and limping to confront a populace ready for regime change, and an aggressive new leader with a dangerous motivation. Source: The Tail Section
Maybe, but it could just as easily be talking about Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Jin coming back alone.
GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 10:41 PM
it's all good lurke, it's been a sloooooooow day!
Hurley4Prez
08-25-06, 11:48 PM
Great mergifying Brian.
tatgrrl24
08-25-06, 11:58 PM
it's all good lurke, it's been a sloooooooow day!
It's been a slooooooooow summer hiatus. I feel sorry for the mod who opens up a hype thread - they may well get trampled.
Hurley4Prez
08-26-06, 12:03 AM
I'm as definite as I'm sure many mods are that this season will be the most trying by far for them. I do wish them well (esp. Leuthen here!).
I used to do the hype threads.....I think I'll go back to just doing the episode discussion threads and let truff get trampled. :) It's going to be an interesting season to say the least.
The artist formerly known
08-26-06, 12:23 AM
Any chance for a rooster hype thread. I swear this is the last time I will mention roosters. :)
interplanetjanet
08-26-06, 12:57 AM
How do we know the redshirts haven't already done the sensible thing, traveled to the other side of the island, and found the club med situated right there. that's going to be the actual jaw-dropping, jump the shark moment. The Redshirts figure everything out and just decide not to tell anybody else.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Redshirts: :celebrate :surfing: :music29 :pirate: :whistling
In group: :catfight:
Now that would be a true jumping of the shark, on a par with returning for Vincent.
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