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Noav Sigless
08-23-06, 11:11 PM
I do not want to turn the Spoilers forum into a mini GD or T&S. That said, I made a post in the Shark Jumping Discussion thread that I thought needed more thoughts and opinions. I don't want to be accused of threadjacking so, I made a new thread. I also think this thread could be fun to revisit during and after season 3 to see how well our predictions panned out.
Here's my post,

I keep thinking about the flashbacks (and I can't sleep).

We've got 10 originals left, not counting Rose. Rose and Bernard weren't supposed to get a flashback in season 2 but they did. TPTB can easily skip them this season.
TPTB could also combine Sun and Jin's flashbacks but she's preggers with the mystery baby. They're going to get at least 2.
Of course, if (when) anybody dies this season, they're dying in their flashback episode. TPTB are probably still regretting that "planned" death of Libby. I'm calling 10 confirmed flashback for the originals.

Eko will get at least 1 while Desmond will get 2. Henry Ian Cusick got the only Emmy nomination and he's the most likely candidate for a Libby flashback (unless Hurley gets hit on the head by a cocoanut). The spoilers coming in say Desmond's first flashback is jail, his second will be Libby. We're at 13.

We've heard rumors of a Danielle/island history episode. 14

New cast members! Kiele Sanchez is a love interest for the Brazilian Tom Cruise. They're new and could be a couple. Let's be mean and make them share an episode. 15

Oh look, more spoiler material.
Quote:
There will be flashbacks exploring the others and their history as well as their relation to Dharma.
FlashbackS? Plural? Juliet is a possible Other and a possible love interest for Jack but definitely a prominent new character. How prominent can she be without a flashback. Throw her a bone. 16

There are Others and then there are Others (yea, I stole it). Ms. Klugh? Very interesting but new, no flashback. Gorton/Zeke/Mr. Friendly/Tommy Boy, whatever his name is, he's been around since season one. This guy needs a flashback. I may be wrong but I think he'll get one. 17

Fenry has the season finale in the bag. 18

The big four, JackKateSawyerLocke are going to get at least 2 episodes each. 22

Hurley is still depressed over Libby. His first flashback won't be funny but you can't have a whole season without a funny Hurley flashback. he'll get two. 23

Dom has a big demanding fan base, just ask Suil. Will he stay Nice Guy Charlie or will he pull up the hood and go all Dom Vader? Can they tell that story with just one flashback? Nope. He'll get two. 24

Now, if the season finale is two hours and considered two episodes, I've already gone over by one. So, do Claire, Sayid and Eko only get one episode? Do all the originals get two and the new guys get none? Have TPTB bitten off more than they can chew? Is it a shark jump?
Alright, what do you think?

Rocky Raccoon
08-23-06, 11:16 PM
Maybe a few of the 2 Flashback People'll bite the dust.

LPU
08-23-06, 11:24 PM
The only one that I doubt is Juliet. It's certainly possible but I'm thinking the only udder to get the f/b treatment will be Fenry. Of course they could do a non-specific other group f/b as well.

GerfalconCP
08-23-06, 11:26 PM
thought i'd chime in here since i also posted this in the jumping shark thread:



And while we're trying to figure out who will all get flashbacks this season, i thought i'd chime:

Jack = 1 (TPTB are gettting smarter at this)
Kate = 2
Sawyer = 2
Locke = 1
Jin/Sun = 2 (if they do the second one with them combined ...)
Charlie = I'll say 1 here, but it could easily be 2
Eko = 1
Claire = 2
Hurley = 2
Sayid = best be 2 (most underused character)
Desmond = 2
Juliet = 1
Rodrigo/Kiele = 1 (one of them won't have a flashback this season, just a guess)
Danielle = 1
Zeke = 1
Henry = 1


I bet mine are pretty wrong, just because of the lack of jack and locke, but it's what i want. too many people have just had too many flashbacks. plus, if the writers only have to concentrate on one Locke flashback this season, maybe they can make it ... i dont know ... as good as both of the first season ones? and no where near as crappy as both the second season ones ...

PS = Abrams favorite character? totally Locke. Expect Episode 7, the one after the long break, to be a Locke-centric one!!!! (that's my high hoping)

Lawboy
08-23-06, 11:28 PM
Claire and Charlie can go. one each, tops.

Plus, we have enough backstory on many to see multiple people in a flashback. Sort of a six degrees of separation type of thing. JJ already has that going, so he may add that twist here once.

juanbong
08-23-06, 11:37 PM
It seems to me that someone or multiple people will not have a flashback this season. I have heard that Danielle's would be next season, and I would imagine that the new people would not have a flashback unless someone else (another LOSTie) was included into their scene, a la Libby in Hurley's flashback.
There is also the possibility of Jin and Sun having co-siding flashbacks and I think lacenaire would love that outcome - more fuel for his fire.
I have to say though, with Zeke having a flashback (if the spoilers are true) would seem a little out of place right now, IMHO. Same with Ms Klugh and Juilet. But we are going to learn more about the Others, so I don't know.
With this many flashbacks, that would mean no fluid movement just being on the island. And no Vincent flashback - that still irks me. What, don't like dogs?

LPU
08-23-06, 11:40 PM
Also, I only think that Des will get one. Penny gets the other in an off island f/b.

Noav Sigless
08-23-06, 11:41 PM
I like that format GerfalconCP. I think I'll steal it. Here's mine.

Jack = 2
Kate = 2
Sawyer = 2
Locke = 2
Jin/Sun = 2
Charlie = 2
Eko = 1
Claire = 1
Hurley = 2
Sayid = 1
Desmond = 2
Juliet = 1
Rodrigo/Kiele = 1
Danielle = 1
Zeke = 1
Henry = 1

Khan
08-23-06, 11:41 PM
This is hard to predict with TPTB, they still think all we want are mysteries.
Last year they threw AL at us until the backlash knocked them on thier asses, they continue to give Jack the lion's share in spite of the number of viewers who have had ebough. They wasted time showing an insipid Micheal flashback in the first crucial episodes, knowing he was the least favorite character if the polls were correct.
On the other hand they nearly ignored characters people like, Sayid, Kate, Sawyer, etc, until they almost had to give them a flashback in hopes of boosting ratings.
Now they wish to include the Others in a big way, that has to mean flashbacks for them at the expense of the originals, again. Unless they crossed paths in a significant way, which is doubtful.
I expect they'll throw a bone here and there, we'll find out what happened to Locke, a little more of Kate, some of Sawyer, but the concentration will most likey be with the new people, except for Jack of course.

LPU
08-23-06, 11:50 PM
Jack - II
Kate - II
Sawyer - II
Locke - II
Jin - I
Sun - I
Charlie - II
Eko - I
Claire - I
Hurley - II
Sayid - I
Desmond - I
Penny - I
Henry - I
Group Non-Spec - I
Rodrigo - I
Juliet - I
Danielle - I

GerfalconCP
08-23-06, 11:55 PM
i don't wanna ruin everyones fun ... but there were only 23 flashback epis last year .. the last 2 hour one was only one flashback ... even though it encompassed two epis ... so i imagine it'll be another 23 flashbacks this season.

LPU
08-23-06, 11:57 PM
If that's the case again then I'll lose Danielle from mine.

GerfalconCP
08-23-06, 11:59 PM
yeah, i'm beginning to get the feeling that Danielle's is going to wait ANOTHER season .. *cries*

I'm hoping she joins the cast for some reason next year ... i can almost feel it happening ... :)

Noav Sigless
08-24-06, 12:00 AM
That was the point of my original post. How do they fit it all in one season?
I know I'm already wrong with 24 flashbacks. Now I get to see how more wrong I am.

Dezdemona
08-24-06, 12:10 AM
I like this format. :)

Jack - II
Kate - II
Sawyer - II (Had only 1 last year; they HAVE to give him 2)
Locke - II
Jin - I
Sun - I
Charlie - II (Had only 1 last year.)
Eko - I
Claire - I
Hurley - I (Hurley had 2 last year, he gives 1 up to Charlie this year.)
Sayid - I (Sorry, I think Des is the new Sayid: ex-military, intelligent, etc.)
Desmond - II (I think Des will become as prominent as Jack, Kate & Locke, IMO)
Penny - 0 (Might share one with Des in the style of Jin/Sun)
Henry - II (Fans love him, he's a shoo-in for 2 IMO.)
Group Non-Spec - I (TPTB love The Other 48 Days; they'll do it again.)
Rodrigo - I (Shared with Kiele Sanchez per Noav's prediction)
Juliet - I
Danielle - 0

juanbong
08-24-06, 12:13 AM
Quoted by Noav:
How do they fit it all in one season?

That is the conundrum. But I think that TPTB know they have a season chalk full of possibilities with the flashbacks, and alas, some of these cats will have to wait til next season to have their back story shown. It is an interest way to make sure that another season or 3 will happen. With that said however, I think some of the more important issues or mysteries will again suffer.
On another note, the Others could all be involved in one huge flashback - how they got to the island and that would take care of Zeke, Klugh, Juliet, and whoever else is involved. Add one of the LOSTies or Nikki (Kiele Sanchez) and Rodrigo and then you have 5 characters in one shot. Again, IMO.

vonnegut
08-24-06, 12:53 AM
After seriously thinking this over....

Jack - 2 (I know, I know... but they're going to do it. Unless he dies. And we're not that lucky. *Kisses KF2 on cheek and says sorry*)

Kate - 2 (She has the first one. They will almost CERTAINLY give her one more)

Sawyer - 2 (I think he still has a lot of story to him. And he's the fangirl favorite, I think they'll try to cater to that for ratings)

Locke - 1 (the wheelchair story. I don't see him having any more. It's all a question of how much story there is behind a character at this point)

Fenry - 1 (I wish it was 7, but they'll tease us with this all season and give him the finale. No WAY will he have more than one, his mystery is one of the things the fans love about him)

Danielle - 1 (they can't hold out any longer on this. The only stipulation-- they'll throw us an Alex flashback instead. But I've got my money on Danielle)

Jin/Sun - 2 (seperate or apart)

Charlie - 1 (and it will be just as dull as every other Charlie flashback)

New Character - 1 (Kiele, Rodrigo, etc. I don't see them giving more than one flashback to the new cast additions)

Hurley - 2 (I think Hurley is going to be less background/comic relief this season, I think he's going to move to the forefront with some strong story and focus, and I for one am thrilled at the idea)

Eko - 1 (They may do 2, but I don't think there's enough space. And again, there aren't too many unanswered questions about his past. They may deal with the "married?" "worse", although honestly I think he's talking about being a priest there)

Desmond/Penelope - 2 (either seperately or together, they will not neglect their best new stars)

The Others - 1 (this may be a group flashback, may be Zeke- most likely in my mind- may be Klugh, Juliet etc)

Sayid - 1 (I'd love more, but again it's a question of story to build on, unanswered questions, etc. If they give him two, I'll be the first to jump and down squeeing like a little fangirl, because I think he's had the best flashbacks overall so far)

Claire - 2 (having one this early in the season is suggestive. And there's a possibility of really building on her, ahem, parentage. My hunch is two)

That leaves one floating in the open...

And, call me crazy, I think it will go to Walt or Vincent. I know that the Walt/Michael story is "over", but I think we will be revisiting that story at some point, possibly VERY late in the season.

interplanetjanet
08-24-06, 01:04 AM
Fenry - 1 (I wish it was 7, but they'll tease us with this all season and give him the finale. No WAY will he have more than one, his mystery is one of the things the fans love about him)
Agreed. The last thing we want to open the season with is all Fenry's answers.
Hurley - 2 (I think Hurley is going to be less background/comic relief this season, I think he's going to move to the forefront with some strong story and focus, and I for one am thrilled at the idea)
Hear, hear. The rare character to successfully make plans and carry them out (how many times do we complain no one finds Danielle and asks her questions?), and most motivated to look out for the group.
Eko - 1 They may deal with the "married?" "worse", although honestly I think he's talking about being a priest there)
My money's on Klugh.
And, call me crazy, I think it will go to Walt or Vincent. I know that the Walt/Michael story is "over", but I think we will be revisiting that story at some point, possibly VERY late in the season.
Walt washes up at the beach in the remains of the motorboat in the season finale...very likely, imho.

Noav Sigless
08-24-06, 01:39 AM
they'll throw us an Alex flashback instead.

I hadn't considered that. I knew this thread was good idea.

LPU
08-24-06, 01:41 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if there was an others edition of The Other 48 Days. One entire episode of island f/b.

Dupin
08-24-06, 09:39 AM
Jack-2 (2)
Kate-2 (4)
Sawyer-1 (5)
Charlie-1 (6)
Claire-2 (8)
Hurley-2 (10)
Desmond-2 (12)
Eko-1 (13)
Rose/Bernard-0 (13)
Sun/Jin-2 (15)
Sayid-1 (16)

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Remember, Ana and Eko both had two when they were new, and I'm guessing. Nikki and Rodrigo will be SEPERATE, so

Juliet-2 (18)
Nikki-1 (19)
Rodrigo-2? (21)

I'm guessing a Fenry episode as the finale (22)

Weren't we told there were 22 episodes? If there's more, I'd say maybe one of the new ones gets another, or another one of the others.

joethomson
08-24-06, 04:56 PM
I'm not guessing, because my guesswork is awful... but IMO I don't think we really need any more than 1 Locke flashback. The only thing left in Locke's story is how he lost the ability to walk. My guess (here I go anyway) is that it's something big, because TPTB could have tied the wheelchair thing in with is trial of faith. I don't want TPTB over-do Locke this series/season. He's made up with his dad... Helen doesn't want him back... Locke should take a step back now.

see you in the next life
08-24-06, 05:42 PM
Jack = 2
Kate = 2
Sawyer = 2
Locke = 2
Jin = 1
Sun = 1
Charlie = 2
Eko = 2
Claire = 2
Hurley = 2
Sayid = 1
Desmond = 2
Juliet = 1
Danielle = 1
Fenry = 1

Juliet will be seen in Jack's flashback

"Tom" and the Brazilian hunk get no flashbacks this year. If the Brazilian hunk gets one, then Charlie gets only 1.

I'd rather have 2 Eko FB's than 2 Charlie FB's..................and really, they could demote Claire to 1, Charlie to none, and give me 4 Fenry flashbacks or 3 Fenry's and 2 Danielle's.

I'd like a Black Rock backstory....which is something entirely different than a Danielle backstory.

they see ALL
08-24-06, 07:42 PM
michael eperson (sp???) said in that interview (available in this forum) that maybe there will be no more flashbacks and there will just be the focus on the others...

this, to me, sounds crazy but maybe it has some weight...

and, yes, i already know the first few episodes have FB characters...


;)

GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 01:53 AM
The only thing left in Locke's story is how he lost the ability to walk. My guess (here I go anyway) is that it's something big, because TPTB could have tied the wheelchair thing in with is trial of faith.

there were rumors a while ago somewhere that depending on when the plane actually crashed, Locke could have lost the use of his legs during 9/11 ... I thought it could have been cool if they had shot it the right way. That would be pretty big though, i dont know if they'd want to do something like that, but it was an interesting idea.

Hurley4Prez
08-25-06, 02:57 AM
michael eperson (sp???) said in that interview (available in this forum) that maybe there will be no more flashbacks and there will just be the focus on the others...

When was this stated? :confused:

GerfalconCP
08-25-06, 03:00 AM
^ yeah, i missed this too. was it recent or before the end of season 1?

Noav Sigless
08-26-06, 09:29 PM
Yes, I'm shallow enough to bump my own thread. It's a good thing I don't make that many.

AdamCrew
08-26-06, 10:13 PM
Remember, Ana and Eko both had two when they were new

Huh?

Dupin
08-27-06, 10:46 AM
Huh?

It's not hard to comprehend; Ana-Lucia and Eko both had two flashback episodes each in the season when they were NEW to the cast-people seem to suggest that the new people won't get many flashbacks because they're new, but I very much doubt thats the case.

callumorr
08-27-06, 02:54 PM
Am I the only person that thinks Frogurt will get a FB? *Looks around* Guess so then :-(

Jason and the ARGonauts
08-27-06, 03:07 PM
I was reading Lost Magazine and it said we're going to get some on-island flashbacks for The Others.

GerfalconCP
08-27-06, 08:23 PM
Am I the only person that thinks Frogurt will get a FB? *Looks around* Guess so then :-(


I think he will ... because I think that Frogurt is Rodrigo ...

vonnegut
08-28-06, 05:46 AM
and really, they could demote Claire to 1, Charlie to none, and give me 4 Fenry flashbacks or 3 Fenry's and 2 Danielle's.
.

You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

But they will only give Fenry one, and I have a STRONG suspicion (or wishful thinking) that it will be the finale. We can't have all his mysteries exposed too early.

Publius
08-28-06, 01:42 PM
I like the idea of Fenry getting the finale. I think the S2 finale showed that the finale needs to be carried by a strong actor and Michael Emerson has been impressive in every episode.

Locke is my favorite character, but the flashbacks don't make him. One really good flashback would be sufficient so long as he has plenty of action on the island.

A Danielle flashback would be great. If it's true that we're going to get a much deeper sense of the history of the island, I think a Danielle flashback will be needed to balance the Others' perspective of island history. I expect Sayid and Hurley to go out looking for Danielle at some point this season.

I don't know that Sawyer necessarily needs 2 flashbacks. I think his character may be better developed running a "long con" on one of the female Others.

sgtdraino
08-28-06, 02:09 PM
michael eperson (sp???) said in that interview (available in this forum) that maybe there will be no more flashbacks and there will just be the focus on the others...

I read this too. As I recall, he said the show's format will be altered somewhat, with less focus on the flashbacks, and perhaps more episodes that don't really have conventional flashbacks. But he is just an actor, could he really know that? Who knows.

carmela
08-30-06, 01:26 PM
Jack: 2 (I really don't need to know anything else about him but nonetheless we will get 2...and Juliet will be in one of them; she won't have her own flashback)
Kate: 2
Sawyer: 2
Locke: 1
Fenry: 1 (the S4 finale)
Danielle: 1 (finally and with Alex in it)
Jin/Sun: 2 (just not sure how you get 2 full episodes out of them)
Charlie: 1
New Characters (Kiele, Rodrigo):1
Hurley: 2 (He will become a more important character)
Eko: 2
Desmond/Penelope: 2 (one will be Des alone; another will be with Pen)
The Others: 1 (an on-island FB)
Sayid: 2
Claire: 1 (please - no more than that)


And...I agree with vonnegut, I think one episode will go to the Michael/Walt/Vincent story. Don't know what it will involve but I think its a possibility.

Locke'd_Down
12-20-06, 06:47 PM
Ok, I searched, and found nothing, so I assume a thread like this hasn't been made yet, so the game is simple (But spoilerish) perdict the order of charecter episodes in Season 3.

My perdictions

we already know 7-12, which is Juliet, Desmond, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Claire, so we can scratch those out

13-Locke
14-Charlie
15-Nikki/Paulo
16-Rose/Bernard
17-Sun/Jin
18-Tom
19-Alex (Wishful thinking)
20-Jack
21-Desmond and/or Penny
22-Ben

larker-tv
12-20-06, 06:57 PM
13-sawyer
14- charlie
15- JUST jin
16- locke
17- radzinsky :P oh yes
18- jack
19- tom
20- desmond/penny
21- others version of "the other 48 days"
22- ben

john_locke
12-20-06, 07:23 PM
7- Juliet
8- Desmond
9- Jack
10- Hurley
11- Sayid
12- Claire
13- Locke
14- Charlie
15- Nikki/Paulo (on island)
16- Rose/Bernard
17- The 'Others' 73 days
18- Tom
19- Alex
20- Off Island real time (Penny)
21- Cindy
22- Ben

greendayhosers05
12-20-06, 07:59 PM
7- Juliet
8- Desmond( Past/Future)
9- Jack
10- Hurley
11- Sayid
12- Claire
13- Locke
14- Charlie
15- Nikki/Paulo (on island)
16-Cindy
17- Penny(off island, rael time)
18- Tom
19- Kate or Sawyer
20- See above
21- Rosseau (French Lady)
22- Ben

larker-tv
12-20-06, 08:14 PM
17- The 'Others' 73 days

because that wasn't my idea!?!?

Noav Sigless
12-20-06, 10:18 PM
Probably due to the hiatus, I'm seeing a lot of speculation in Spoilers. I thought this would be a good time to revisit this thread. Also, I'm bumping my own thread. I'm shameless and shallow.

Some of the spoiler info that's come out has made me rethink some of my predictions. I'm not so sure we'll see Libby this season, so the second Desmond flashback is in doubt.

So far, I'm doing pretty good. I predicted Eko would get only one flashback and he was kind enough to die just to keep me on track. What a guy.
I also predicted Sayid would get only one flashback. I wonder if he'll be just as kind?

Anyone care to revise their predictions? Anyone new want to join in the reindeer games?

Brian
12-21-06, 02:27 AM
Merging with Noavs S3 Flashback Speculation thread.

Lost_RuNNeR
12-21-06, 01:57 PM
7- Juliet
8- Desmond
9- Jack
10- Hurley
11- Sayid
12- Claire
13- Locke
14- Charlie (please god no, unless he there's a Smokey stampede)
15- Nikki/Paulo (and then they die too)
16- New Character?
17- Juliet?
18- Locke
19- Kate or Sawyer
20- Kate or Sawyer
21- Alex?
22- Ben

snakey
12-21-06, 05:11 PM
Probably due to the hiatus, I'm seeing a lot of speculation in Spoilers. I thought this would be a good time to revisit this thread. Also, I'm bumping my own thread. I'm shameless and shallow.

Some of the spoiler info that's come out has made me rethink some of my predictions. I'm not so sure we'll see Libby this season, so the second Desmond flashback is in doubt.

So far, I'm doing pretty good. I predicted Eko would get only one flashback and he was kind enough to die just to keep me on track. What a guy.
I also predicted Sayid would get only one flashback. I wonder if he'll be just as kind?

Anyone care to revise their predictions? Anyone new want to join in the reindeer games?

so this means you think Sayid is the next to bite it?

Noav Sigless
12-22-06, 07:38 AM
so this means you think Sayid is the next to bite it?

It's just a feeling I got, but yea.

Without Dane
12-22-06, 07:43 AM
I really doubt that. I think he's the least likely person to die.

He's got too much fan demand for more story, and too many people who believe he's "the best leader" on the island. I disagree on the leader part, but still, he's got some story left to tell. If anything - he's got one of the more desirable endings (reuniting with what's her name).

Sayid hasn't given the show enough in a looooong time to be killed off anytime soon.

john_locke
12-22-06, 12:00 PM
7- Juliet
8- Desmond
9- Jack
10- Hurley
11- Sayid
12- Claire
13- Locke
14- Charlie (please god no, unless he there's a Smokey stampede)
15- Nikki/Paulo (and then they die too)
16- New Character?
17- Juliet?
18- Locke
19- Kate or Sawyer
20- Kate or Sawyer
21- Alex?
22- Ben

I like your idea of having two more Locke flashbacks!!!! :D

Fourtoes
12-22-06, 02:50 PM
Try this predict:
7 Jules
8 Desmond
9 Jack
10 Hugo
11 Sayid
12 Claire (dies, asks Charlie to raise Aaron)
13 Locke
14 Nikkie/Paolo
15 Sawyer
16 Kate
17 Charlie
18 Danielle/Alex
19 Michael/Walt
20 Penelope
21 Jacob
22 Ben

birdman
12-24-06, 05:58 AM
Sayid is the best leader left with the group. With Jack on the other island (for now) and Locke getting back into his walkabout, shaman ways, Sayid is the only leadership-type left among the lostaways. His character does not seem as disposable as some of the others who have been killed off. I think his character is too interesting and complex to just throw away and I, for one, hope they keep him around beyond this season.

Fourtoes
12-26-06, 04:49 PM
You don't see Locke as a leader type? Or Desmond?

snakey
12-26-06, 11:24 PM
You don't see Locke as a leader type? Or Desmond?

Locke on wacky paste turning into Colonel Kurtz, if only.

Fourtoes
12-27-06, 08:26 PM
Yeah. Flawed leader.
But no more than Sayid.

Step back and look at just how effective Capt. Torture has been so far:
-- Tortured Sawyer. Didn't work.
-- Tortured Ben. Didn't work.
-- Planned boat rescue. Didn't work.
-- Planned radio broadcast. Got ambushed by LOCKE.

He's great at fixing the radio, but he's not a very convinincing leader.

tayo1587
12-28-06, 02:23 AM
I'd rather see a danielle flashback for the finale.

for me, that's a more compelling story than ben's. i think ben's better left as a creepy character is small doses. i mean, as a character, he's not that different than emerson's character on the practice. he's a character actor.

locke flashbacks welcome anytime, too. (as long as they're NOT like further instructions.)

Fourtoes
12-28-06, 02:59 PM
Agree, "Further instructions" was a lame flashback and didn't get tied in with other plot elements on Locke that we've seen. There was some continuity with his character story although his reversed attitude on drugs is surprising. Maybe he's just anti-heroin.

I don't agree with you about the shortcomings of Ben's character. He's much more ambiguous and complicated than his character on "The Practice," although that was a good character, too. Well, I wouldn't mind a Danielle flashback either.

But I think this season is very much about the Others, so we're going to see a Ben flashback. Look at the pattern of last season, which was about the Hatch. They introed Desmond in 2.1. We caught only glimpses of him for a couple of eps and then he disappared until nearly the end. But the finale was his.

Ben was introed last season, but he's really revealed as the Others' leader (at least at the Hydra) this year. I don't think he'll disappear for as long as Desmond did (which, frankly, I see as a mistaken underuse of a good character, but there may have been contractual issues beyond the control of TPTB in bringing the actor back fulltime). But I definitely think we're going to big dose of Ben at the end and won't be disappointed.

Skywalker
12-31-06, 12:28 AM
Yeah. Flawed leader.
But no more than Sayid.

Step back and look at just how effective Capt. Torture has been so far:
-- Tortured Sawyer. Didn't work.
-- Tortured Ben. Didn't work.
-- Planned boat rescue. Didn't work.
-- Planned radio broadcast. Got ambushed by LOCKE.

He's great at fixing the radio, but he's not a very convinincing leader.

He's just about as convincing as any other person. I know he's made a lot of mistakes, but with Des seeing the future I don't think he's got time to lead a bunch of people on a strange island. And if we're going to bang on about how Sayid isn't convincing as a leader, how about Locke killing Boone? Going crazy about the hatch? Not listening to Eko or Des and causing the Hatch to implode? Not helping Charlie and beating the hell out of him? Hiding MANY things from the group?

Point is that everyone is flawed. Sayid will make a good, natural leader just like Locke - but they're both very different from Jack.

LPU
01-04-07, 04:01 PM
We have speculative f/bs through Ep 13. I think we all assume a Ben finale. We'll probably get that The Other Other 48 Days Nikki/Paulo joint. What's that leave, 8 episodes? Charlie will get at least one. I guess he's the only main player left without anything in the batter's box. That's 7. Does Jin get one or was The Glass Ballerina good enough for the both of them? Rose and Bernard lurking anywhere on the horizon? How if at all do we get to the Penny storyline this season? Do we finally get a Danielle f/b?

snakey
01-04-07, 10:35 PM
Yep, a Danielle f/b where we finally get to see what she means by her crew all getting the sickness and her killing them. Such dramatic statements yet we never learn if they were hallucinations, actual or tricks played by our traveling troup of acting others on our poor Dani, which would be a good reason for her being a bit paranoid.

Fourtoes
01-05-07, 09:19 PM
He's just about as convincing as any other person. I know he's made a lot of mistakes, but with Des seeing the future I don't think he's got time to lead a bunch of people on a strange island. And if we're going to bang on about how Sayid isn't convincing as a leader, how about Locke killing Boone? Going crazy about the hatch? Not listening to Eko or Des and causing the Hatch to implode? Not helping Charlie and beating the hell out of him? Hiding MANY things from the group?

Point is that everyone is flawed. Sayid will make a good, natural leader just like Locke - but they're both very different from Jack.

Hey, I agree with you. I was only questioning a previous poster's identification of Sayid as a potential leader while excluding Locke. I think they're both fairly flawed.

Actually if I were to put these two head to head, I'd have to go with Sayid because I think Locke has serious conflict-of-interest issues. Jack picked up on that back in Season 1. Locke puts his own shamanistic island stuff in front of the tribe and is willing to sacrifice others to attain hidden knowledge. As likable as Terry has played him, I think Locke will end up being the ultimate badguy of Lost, OR... he'll take inspiration from Eko and his character will find redemption by resisting the islands half-truths.

Hurley4Prez
01-06-07, 03:52 AM
Yep, a Danielle f/b where we finally get to see what she means by her crew all getting the sickness and her killing them. Such dramatic statements yet we never learn if they were hallucinations, actual or tricks played by our traveling troup of acting others on our poor Dani, which would be a good reason for her being a bit paranoid.
Do the writers have balls?

I try to be optimistic. If they do we'll eventually get Danielle's story.
If the show ends without it, that will stain.

Without Dane
01-06-07, 03:55 AM
I like the idea that Danielle killing her crew was a hallucination induced by the monster (we know it can show multiple people at once because of Eko's last episode...)

She may have thought she killed them, and blamed the vanishing of their dead bodies on Smokey - but not the actual vision. They could be alive and well somewhere. Her believing they were "sick" could have been justified - maybe Smokey presented them as either dangerous or zombie-like.

Hurley4Prez
01-06-07, 04:12 AM
Stop messing with my head, Dane.

Noav Sigless
03-11-07, 11:27 PM
How are your predictions holding up so far? Did you say Eko would get 2 flashbacks or Jack would get only 1?
Sorry.

I'm doing pretty good, so far. That's strange considering I predicted enough for 24 episodes.

Brian
03-11-07, 11:32 PM
I never posted it here, but I was really expecting a Rousseau flashback some time in S3. Now we know that won't happen till S4 at the earliest. Everything else I'm pretty happy with as long as Ben does indeed get the finale.