View Full Version : When did Penelope 'Find' 'It' ?
I'm too noobish to know where this thread belongs, but it's a 'question' I have in regard to the final sequence of the S2 finale:
When did Penelope's geeks discover the electromagnetic anomaly? Was it the big one set off by Desmond activating the failsafe, or the previous one that crashed flight 815? Or rather: Was that sequence a current event, or a flashback? If it was a flashback, has Penelope and team been actively seeking the Island for the last 60 or so days?
Sub-question: Odds of something else being yanked from the sky to the island as the result of the latest 'anomaly'?
Richardstone
09-09-06, 04:42 PM
The scene with Penny happened in real time, it was the first time we've been off the island in the present (2004)...
They detected the SYSTEM FAILURE which is caused by not pushing the button, the "last time" they mentioned was on Sepr. 22nd 2004...
The day the plane crashed...
That's what I think happened anyway...
:)
island_maverick
09-09-06, 05:21 PM
This wil probably get the best traffic in General Discussion. Moving.
DreaminLost
09-09-06, 09:58 PM
They detected the SYSTEM FAILURE which is caused by not pushing the button, the "last time" they mentioned was on Sepr. 22nd 2004...
Are you saying the geeky chess players mentioned a date? I don't remember.
It never occurred to me that that scene may have been a flashback...
Hummm.
dzukunft
09-09-06, 10:41 PM
This scene as a flashback is plausible. We never did hear a specific date mentioned, dor was there much evidence to suggest such a date. The electronics equipment and clothes they were wearing simply suggested a time post-1995 or so.
Also, some of you will no doubt recall TPTB mentioning that after the forthcoming jump-the-shark moment in the show, we will look back to this scene and look at it in a completely new way.
As far as the time is concerned, I see three major possibilities: (1) It is real-time; (2) It was at the time Flight 815 crashed upon the island; or (3) It was the time of the 'incident'. With that said, I am privy to a more current placement of time and the jump-the-shark moment pointing to the earth being in an ice age. (Is this Yung's theory? Kudos to whomever it was that came up with the idea.)
P.S. I was thinking that perhaps Penelope was in some underground shelter or something similar (to go along with the ice-age theory). We never saw outside her closed windows. Upon rewatching the scene several times, her bedroom set struck me as a little peculiar. Just a hunch, though...
It's good to be back.
(statements from TPTB can be spoilers. Noav)
Mysterious Mike
09-09-06, 11:05 PM
Here is a related thread
Brazilian Magnetic surveillance Station (jack's "russian" cousin) +translations (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20509)
Richardstone
09-10-06, 12:15 PM
Are you saying the geeky chess players mentioned a date? I don't remember.
It never occurred to me that that scene may have been a flashback...
Hummm.
Sorry I should have been more clear, they did'nt mention the date...
[Man #2 looks over a piece of equipment. We can see a screen that says Electromagnetic Anomaly Detected.]
MAN #1 [subtitled]: What?
MAN #2: How long has it been doing that?
[Man #1 goes over to the equipment and hurriedly looks through a book.]
MAN #2: That's it, isn't it? We missed it again...
MAN #1: We didn't miss it!
[An alarm starts beeping and Man #1 goes to a computer screen.]
MAN #2: So it's not a false alarm this time?!
MAN #1: Just shut up and call!!
I think "We missed it again..." is referring to Sept 22nd 2004, the last time the button was'nt pushed and the day Oceanic815 crashed on the island...
The scene with Penny took place directly after Desmond turned the key, I imaging when they did'nt press the button the charge built up enough so that the two scientists could detect the anomoly, only last time (on 9/22) Desmond managed to enter the numbers and reboot the system before they "found it"...
Beyond serving as a teaser, the finale's last minutes were incredibly important to the larger story, Mr. Lindelof said, particularly since this was the first time in 49 hours of the show that "Lost" went off the island in the present, rather than in a flashback. "It's time to actually blow up several theories of the show," he said. "People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world."
rknorton91
09-11-06, 02:49 AM
Yes that is my interpretation as well Richardstone
the only monkey wrench thrown in is the line where they say MAN #2: So it's not a false alarm this time?!
Is this A) talking about the other times that the countdown almost got to zero but reset at just before the clock stopped or B) is their equipment prone to getting false readings or C) do the powers that oversee these two guys manning this facility occasionaly throw a training scenario at them where they have to react to a fake magnetic anomoly reading.
Also it could very well be the two guys have no idea where these magnetic anomlies are coming from and may assume that a (A) scenario happening may be interpreted by them as a (B) or (C) scenario and making them second guess what they are doing and why
Warthawg1
09-11-06, 03:20 PM
I took it to be...
A) talking about the other times that the countdown almost got to zero but reset at just before the clock stopped
or something close to that... Maybe not when it almost got to zero.. but maybe the false alarm was when it did get to zero while Des was out killing Inman.
clayseason1
09-11-06, 03:31 PM
Also, some of you will no doubt recall TPTB mentioning that after the forthcoming jump-the-shark moment in the show, we will look back to this scene and look at it in a completely new way.
What if...
The island really is caught in a time loop and "the last time" was when Desmond turned the key in the last loop.
Think about it.
Richardstone
09-11-06, 04:08 PM
What if...
The island really is caught in a time loop and "the last time" was when Desmond turned the key in the last loop.
Think about it.
So the plane is going to crash again at the start of season three? That seemed to be the key factor (pun intended) that led to Desmond killing the system...
:confused:
Any kind of time travel, loop, whatever would just suck IMO...
Let me clarify, in trying to imagine how they'd deal with that on LOST, every scenario I can think of sucks, nothing I imagine would work, it's all been done before...
But I may be imagining it all wrong, and not knowing how they are going to deal with time on LOST (if they ever do, at the moment I'm against it) it's impossible to criticise...
But if it's anything like "you've only really been here a week" or "Penny is now dead because time moves quicker in the real world" it's gonna suck, suck and blow...
I'm all for them doing something with time that I never ever thought of or imagined, I want to be suprised when this is all over, I don't want anyone to guess 100% what's going on and have an "I KNEW IT!" moment...
I want a collective "WTF THAT WAS AWESOME!!!" moment, one that we did'nt see coming...
philosopher
09-13-06, 02:38 AM
I also hope that whatever explains what happens on the island will surprise us all, but I think we will all be disappointed in the end. Is there anyone out there who believes that not even the writers know what is going on and they'll just think of something at the end of season 5?
Also, I'm pretty sure that Desmond didn't cause the accident.
Any kind of time travel, loop, whatever would just suck IMO...
I want a collective "WTF THAT WAS AWESOME!!!" moment, one that we did'nt see coming...
Amen to both, but I'm not going to count on the second one. It would be wonderful if it was that great.
DreaminLost
09-13-06, 03:11 AM
What if...
The island really is caught in a time loop and "the last time" was when Desmond turned the key in the last loop.
Think about it.
That's an intriguing thought, Clay.
At one time I thought that the flashbacks might not be flashbacks of old memories but actually happening in a time loop of sorts.
Kind of boggles the mind.
hokkyhed
09-13-06, 03:36 AM
Sounds too Matrix or Dark Tower like to me. I hope not.
Without Dane
09-13-06, 03:38 AM
Really gotta read Dark Tower
vonnegut
09-13-06, 12:18 PM
What if...
The island really is caught in a time loop and "the last time" was when Desmond turned the key in the last loop.
Think about it.
I would, but it makes my brain hurt :D
Really gotta read Dark Tower
Um, YES! IMMEDIATELY! BEST BOOK EVER! :)
Lost_RuNNeR
09-13-06, 12:30 PM
What if...
The island really is caught in a time loop and "the last time" was when Desmond turned the key in the last loop.
Think about it.
So if the Hatch was blown up, and the EM energy released, how could there be another EM anomaly? Time running backwards? Also, a second EM hatch would be very un-Lost, like the second plane crash some were hoping for in the S2 finale, so...
I wouldn't bet on it. Still, it's an interesting theory... But doesn't seem very consistent.
Damon/Carlton (can't remember who) mentioned once in an interview that time on the Island might not run the same way it does in the outside world, referring to speed, not direction. I'm gonna try to get ahold of that quote... Spoilerfix.com had it, if I'm not mistaken. (If it came from Spoilerfix, wouldn't you think it was a spoiler? Noav)
Which could explain the run-down bunkers and hatches (e.g. The Staff)
And the rapid Dharma deterioration... But how would Danielle fit into it?
Richardstone
09-13-06, 12:35 PM
Damon/Carlton (can't remember who) mentioned once in an interview that time on the Island might not run the same way it does in the outside world, referring to speed, not direction. I'm gonna try to get ahold of that quote... Spoilerfix.com had it, if I'm not mistaken.
I maintain that Damon said what he said with tongue firmly in cheek...
DocArzt from TheTailsection explains the potential trouble beautifully...
As for the time issue, if they do a "time is moving at a different rate on the island" ploy they are screwed. They will jump the shark 100%. Why? Because Desmond's time line matches up with the outside world. He knew exactly what day and year it was that he did not push the button but did not notice a discrepancy between that date and his own time keeping. That would obliterate the possibility of time field effect. (if it were moving faster on the island, he would have been years in advance of the crash date and it wouldn't have aligned. Slower, he would have been behind.)
Lost_RuNNeR
09-13-06, 12:54 PM
Touché. I'm leaning towards your POV at the moment.
Possible agrument: the computer pages seemed plenty chaotic, and I can't imagine PC's (especially older ones) being affected by The Island in such a way. Or - You're right (very likely) Or - the Button-PC, like our Lostaways, is still following outside world time count...
The Big Question remains: How come they're constantly mentioning the time passed since the crash? Besides it being a typical Castaway gimmick, it could have multiple meanings: Either it's the truth, or they're planning to hit us over the head with it some time soon. I only read the interview, so I can't really decide if Damon was yanking our chain. I hope so, though.
lost is complicated enough without time warping:)
Noav Sigless
09-13-06, 01:09 PM
Big reminder guys. If TPTB make statements about what might happen in future episodes, it's a spoiler. Especially if it comes from Spoilerfix. "Spoiler" is right there in the title.
Sic Semper Tyranus
09-13-06, 08:00 PM
I'm of the general belief that the "false alarm" was the time Locke missed the end of the countdown and glimpsed the hieroglyphs
ISLANDLEA
09-14-06, 06:28 AM
hi, why, if they were using ancient Egyptian symbol thingys, why aren't the video dudes, like Egyptian ? ...lea :bump:
Sic Semper Tyranus
09-14-06, 09:13 PM
Wha? AFAWK(As Far As We Know) The portugesse men were hired by whats'her'name to find desmond. They were searching for large magnetic discharges. So the time Locke typed the code in late there would have been a short discharge that they would have been able to detect but not track
Warthawg1
09-14-06, 09:17 PM
I'm of the general belief that the "false alarm" was the time Locke missed the end of the countdown and glimpsed the hieroglyphs
I lean in that direction myself.. if not that one.. then it might have been the time Des was out killing Kelvin when the timer hit zero
Richardstone
09-14-06, 09:20 PM
I lean in that direction myself.. if not that one.. then it might have been the time Des was out killing Kelvin when the timer hit zero
That's more likely IMO, there was no SYSTEM FAILURE when Locke missed the button, the last heiroglyph never locked in place...
Sic Semper Tyranus
09-14-06, 09:34 PM
Which is exactly why Locke's lateness might have been a "false alarm". It gave every indication of a system failure, but at the last second he hit the button.
Richardstone
09-14-06, 09:45 PM
I don't think there was any magnetic anomaly generated though, the charge did'nt build up enough to be detectable IMO, Locke rebooted the system and discharged it before it became too big...
What if "last time" they started going through the motions and then.......Desmond pushes the button and the anomaly is gone?
I imagine they were playing chess on Sept 22nd 2004, and who knows how long the red light was flashing away before they noticed it?
"Was that it?"
"Must've been a false alarm"
"But that's the first reading we've had in almost a year, I think we should call..."
"IT WAS A False alarm, now, I think you'll find that's check mate"
It could work either way but if Locke missing the button was enough to be a false alarm then the "last time" the two scientists mentioned would have been during the episode Lockdown, when TAFKAHenry Gale pushed the button...
:)
Guardkey
09-14-06, 10:04 PM
It seems there is also the possibility that we are connecting the wrong scenes together.
Without putting too much effort into the details, it seems to also make sense that (if we assume that the icebound researchers are, in fact, refering to finding Desmond) THAT was the point at which Pen discovered his whereabouts directly preceeding her arrival at the stadium.
When she refers to having enough money to find anyone, its quite plausable she was referencing her igloo friends...
Off the top of my head, I can't really think of anything that would contradict that possibility...
Bueller?
Without putting too much effort into the details, it seems to also make sense that (if we assume that the icebound researchers are, in fact, refering to finding Desmond) THAT was the point at which Pen discovered his whereabouts directly preceeding her arrival at the stadium.
How would a detection of a magnetic anomoly have anything to do with finding Desmond at the stadium?
Warthawg1
09-14-06, 10:45 PM
I wasn't going to ask
Guardkey
09-14-06, 10:48 PM
Well...I guess I'm just wandering in the pool of possibilities...
Seems as though the implied connection between the magnetic anomolie and "finding" Desmond begs the same question....how would a detection have anything to do with finding him anywhere?
Sorry to answer your question with a question, but I still end up at the same place...WTF!
Richardstone
09-14-06, 10:49 PM
Without putting too much effort into the details, it seems to also make sense that (if we assume that the icebound researchers are, in fact, refering to finding Desmond) THAT was the point at which Pen discovered his whereabouts directly preceeding her arrival at the stadium.
When she refers to having enough money to find anyone, its quite plausable she was referencing her igloo friends...
Preceeding? She saw him in the stadium before he left for the boat race and before he went missing/ended up on craphole, you got it back to front, I agree it's a clue about Penny and her quest to find Desmond, but she said it before she hired the guys to look for the magnetic anomoly...
How she knows to look for that, that's what interests me...
Oh and SAVE FERRIS!
Guardkey
09-14-06, 10:56 PM
...hmmm....I really hate the taste of this pie...although it hides the taste of my foot.
Hodgepodge
09-14-06, 11:46 PM
...How she knows to look for that, that's what interests me...This interests me as well Richardstone. Why wouldn't she accept the notion, Desmond died at sea? I can understand holding out for a miracle, but hasn't it been 3+ years!
Who's to say she was looking for Desmond? That's hardly a given.
Hodgepodge
09-14-06, 11:51 PM
Who's to say she was looking for Desmond? That's hardly a given.This is actually a good point LP-U! As I mentioned in my previous post. It's been 3+ years. Maybe her father died, ans she's running the company now.
Richardstone
09-14-06, 11:55 PM
Who's to say she was looking for Desmond? That's hardly a given.
That's just the thing Locke Push Ups, I think she's trying to find Desmond but...
MAN #2: It's us. I think we found it.
...she's looking for "it", not him...
How does she know to look for "it"?
If "it" is the island how does she know to look there?
:confused:
clayseason1
09-15-06, 01:07 AM
Who's to say she was looking for Desmond? That's hardly a given
A few of Desmond's letters to Pen were in the monitoring station. I'd say that was a connection.
Really? How the heck did they get them?
melostmo
09-15-06, 01:29 AM
I don't think she found 'it' yet, otherwise LOST series would soon end.
A few of Desmond's letters to Pen were in the monitoring station. I'd say that was a connection.
I recall that. There's a screen cap around here somewhere.
dzukunft
09-15-06, 02:13 AM
How would a detection of a magnetic anomoly have anything to do with finding Desmond at the stadium?
He has a magnetic personality! (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
Sic Semper Tyranus
09-15-06, 02:33 AM
Are some of you insinuating that the Pen scene was a flashback to before she found Des at the stadium? Becuase if you are, how would the artic guys have had the letters? Pen didn't have them yet
Hodgepodge
09-15-06, 03:54 PM
A few of Desmond's letters to Pen were in the monitoring station. I'd say that was a connection.Now see, I thought those letters were the ones kept away from Penelope by her father. Remember when he meets Desmond outside the prison? He gives him a box, and it contains all of his letters to her. The only letter from Penelope is the one she tucked away in the book he took to prison, and never read. Until, he got to the hatch and decided to end it all. Didn't I see this right? :confused:
juanbong
09-15-06, 04:00 PM
Quoted by clayseason1:
A few of Desmond's letters to Pen were in the monitoring station. I'd say that was a connection.
Quoted by TP! TP!:
I recall that. There's a screen cap around here somewhere.
There were!?!?!
Criminy!!! I didn't even realize this or see this at all.
*goes back to look around for screen caps*
Here's a capture of the letters (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg). Looks to me like they have not been addressed to Pen yet.
So what the heck does that mean?!
Hodgepodge
09-15-06, 04:13 PM
Here's a capture of the letters (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg). Looks to me like they have not been addressed to Pen yet.I don't this is the right screencap TPTP!
Richardstone
09-15-06, 04:13 PM
Now see, I thought those letters were the ones kept away from Penelope by her father. Remember when he meets Desmond outside the prison? He gives him a box, and it contains all of his letters to her. The only letter from Penelope is the one she tucked away in the book he took to prison, and never read. Until, he got to the hatch and decided to end it all. Didn't I see this right? :confused:
That's how I saw it too Hodgepodge...
I don't remember seeing Desmonds letters to Penny in the monitoring station, but I'd have to go back and check, I've not heard it mentioned before...
Desmond never told Penny that her father kept his letters from her, I imagine she would be pretty peeved to find that box...
Maybe she got suspicious about her fathers involvement?
juanbong
09-15-06, 04:22 PM
Ok. Now I see what you all were talking about. I thought the Pearl station. That freaked me out majorly. You can make out that Desmond sent the letter(s) but there is no address to send them to. Weird?
I don't this is the right screencap TPTP!
How so? That is a capture of the letters that were in the monitoring station as referenced by CS1. That's the capture that I provided the first time this came up.
Richardstone
09-15-06, 04:45 PM
How so? That is a capture of the letters that were in the monitoring station as referenced by CS1. That's the capture that I provided the first time this came up.
I think people thought CS1 meant The Pearl whe she said "monitoring station"...
:confused:
clayseason1
09-15-06, 05:26 PM
I think people thought CS1 meant The Pearl whe she said "monitoring station"...
Sorry about that - I did mean the station at the finale end, where the guys were looking for electromagnetic anomolies.
As far as no address on them.......maybe an address will magically appear in a later episode just like the Desmond/unknown girl changed to Desmond/Pen?
IMLOSTRU?
09-15-06, 05:40 PM
Here's a capture of the letters (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg). Looks to me like they have not been addressed to Pen yet.
Ok so let me get this right. If the Whidmore corporation has so much capital and cash, after looking at the screenshot, why are they using such dated equipment? I mean if it is supposed to be 2004, can they get a freaking Windows system?!
Perhaps then it wasn't the most current magnetic pulse that tipped them off?
What makes people assume those are Desmonds letters to Pen? I don't see how that assumption can be safely made.
Added note: I really wish TPTB hadn't cheated. Those mail headers are incorrectly formatted; the date should be in there :(
They did so well: They even went as far as using the reserved IP range (usually for government and private networks). They could have at least left the date in there to debunk a few theories.
I mean if it is supposed to be 2004, can they get a freaking Windows system?!
You haven't worked around many engineers, have you?
What makes people assume those are Desmonds letters to Pen? I don't see how that assumption can be safely made.
"Desmond Hume" in the upper left corner is a good clue, but you're right. Since there is no delivery address, we can't be sure that they are letters to Penelope.
You haven't worked around many engineers, have you?
"Desmond Hume" in the upper left corner is a good clue, but you're right. Since there is no delivery address, we can't be sure that they are letters to Penelope.
True. I am having trouble though with the fact that earlier in the episode, all his letters were addressed to Pen. Maybe these are new letters, never sent, but found during the hunt for Desmond.
Maybe those letters are key with regards to the quote from TPTB where they said people would look back on this scene and realise everything is not as they thought, once they did the big reveal
Ida Monster
09-15-06, 06:21 PM
"Desmond Hume" in the upper left corner is a good clue, but you're right. Since there is no delivery address, we can't be sure that they are letters to Penelope.
It does look like it could be "Desmond Hume".
Are we all assuming that the address in the upper left corner is the return address? The US postal system does it this way... but what about the
UK postal system? Do they follow the same method, or could that actually be the delivery address... letters for Desmond, not from him?
It does look like it could be "Desmond Hume".
Are we all assuming that the address in the upper left corner is the return address? The US postal system does it this way... but what about the
UK postal system? Do they follow the same method, or could that actually be the delivery address... letters for Desmond, not from him?
Same method.
Here's the original letters: http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/03/livediecap0109.jpg
The letters are definitely meant to appear as from Desmond. More importanly (maybe), they are meant to be from Desmond when he was in prison. The question is: How did Pen or the monitoring station guys get a hold of unaddressed letters written by Desmond when he was still in prison?
I am discounting production error; I really don't see how a production error could be possible with the envelopes (being that they could simply have re-used the other letters as props)
Is there anyone out there who believes that not even the writers know what is going on and they'll just think of something at the end of season 5?
oh oh me me me! :wave2: They sure haven't shown much evidence of fitting prior events into their ideas for current episodes. Granted I think they have an idea of an ending, but I don't think a lot of what we've seen will have anything to do with it or any explination.
As for those letters, I don't see what makes those Desmond's letters to penelope. They just look like letters to me. I can't even make out the return address to see if that's even Desmond's name. If they are his letters then I guess that blows my hope that Penelope isn't looking for Desmond at all and that she's really part of an evil conspiracy with her company. I always hoped she'd be shocked to find Desmond on this island and that it would be an event that would make her question her evil plans and stuff. Then again I like some drama in my drama shows.
DreaminLost
09-15-06, 06:30 PM
Anyone have a screencap of the letters Mr. Widmore had in the box in his car?
Didn't Desmond pull one out to look at it? Or has it been so long ago that I'm making up my own details?
ETA: Simon, you were fast! Got it in there a minute before I even asked for it.
Simon, is what's under that Spoiler button a fact? Say it isn't so.
Richardstone
09-15-06, 06:32 PM
Anyone have a screencap of the letters Mr. Widmore had in the box in his car?
Didn't Desmond pull one out to look at it? Or has it been so long ago that I'm making up my own details?
Those were the ones SimonO just posted a cap of...
I thought the ones in the monitoring station might be to Desmond, but I think I was wrong about that looking at that cap...
VonWesvolin
09-15-06, 06:35 PM
Dreams? Do you mean like the one SimonO posted above?
BTW, what are you doing outside NMM? ;)
Anyone have a screencap of the letters Mr. Widmore had in the box in his car?
Didn't Desmond pull one out to look at it? Or has it been so long ago that I'm making up my own details?
ETA: Simon, you were fast! Got it in there a minute before I even asked for it.
Simon, is what's under that Spoiler button a fact? Say it isn't so.
I goofed. I was copying and pasting the BB code used to add spoiler tags (I have never added one before) and accidentally left the example code in there. I have edited the tag. Sorry; didn't mean to startle you :D
The handwriting appears to be the same. They are definitely letters from Desmond.
I hope we get something of a Pen flashback. Even a partial would be nice (sharing with Desmond, perhaps).
TPTB are so vague.
"It" and "Him" aren't very helpful. It's so funny how the apply the simplest and least descriptive names: It, him, the others, the incident. Good writing, in my opinion.
DreaminLost
09-15-06, 06:44 PM
BTW, what are you doing outside NMM? ;)
Hey, anything that concern Desmond concerns me.
DreaminLost
09-15-06, 06:46 PM
I goofed. I was copying and pasting the BB code used to add spoiler tags (I have never added one before) and accidentally left the example code in there. I have edited the tag. Sorry; didn't mean to startle you :D
You took that first sentence out, but I'm still unsure if you mean that was a true spoiler or just an example of a spoiler. A horrible, upsetting example.
eta; I'm talking about the sentence you deleted from your spoiler. Is that true?
You took that first sentence out, but I'm still unsure if you mean that was a true spoiler or just an example of a spoiler.
The one there is an actual spoiler.
Noav Sigless
09-15-06, 07:38 PM
For those who don't know how to add spoiler tags to a post.
Step 1. Don't use the "Post Quick Reply" button. Use the green "Post Reply" button or the "Go Advanced" button next to the "Post Quick Reply" button. Both buttons take you to a new screen with many more options for making your post, all contained in a "Reply to Thread" box.
Step 2. Click in the white text field and write your post including the spoiler.
Step 3. Place your cursor right before the first word in the spoiler portion of your post. Hold down the left mouse button and drag the cursor across the entire spoiler. This will highlight/select the text. Release the button when when all of the spoiler is selected.
Step 4. Just above the white text field, there's a series of icons (you can place the cursor over them to see what each one is) the last one on the right hand side is a white page with a question mark, "Wrap [Spoiler] tags around selected text". Click on that icon.
Step 5. A new little window pops up that says "Please enter the option for your [SPOILER] tag:" and a blinking cursor is waiting for you to type. You can put in "click" or "click here" whatever you feel is appropriate. Then click the "OK" button. This will add some weird text to the post, don't worry about it.
Step 6. If you're sure your post is good to go, click the "Submit Reply" button, it's below the text field and a group of smiley icons, you may have to scroll down. If your NOT sure your post is good to go, hit the "Preview Post" button. This will bring up another screen that looks a lot like the one you were just on but your post, as it will appear on the board, will be above the "Reply to Thread" box. If it looks good, click the "Submit Reply" button. If it doesn't look right, make the necessary changes and click preview again. Repeat as needed and submit when done.
I've gone into minute detail here which makes it seem more complicated than it actually is. It's really very easy. I'm damn near computer illiterate and I can do it. I'm sure you can do it too.
If you need to practice, we have a Test forum (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49) just for this sort of thing.
Hodgepodge
09-15-06, 10:44 PM
The letters are definitely meant to appear as from Desmond. More importanly (maybe), they are meant to be from Desmond when he was in prison. The question is: How did Pen or the monitoring station guys get a hold of unaddressed letters written by Desmond when he was still in prison?...The screencaps posted by SimonO are the ones I'm talking about. These were the ones written by Desmond to Penelope, and confiscated by her father. If I'm not mistaken, the letters were given to Desmond as a keepsake.
I'm completely confused by the last part of this quote. I don't remember Desmond, or the two guys in the monitoring station having any of these letters. :confused: SimonO, can you provide us with another cap of what you're talking about?
The only letter I remember is the one Penelope slipped into that book Desmond was suppose to read, but never did. This is the letter, along with Locke bamming on the hatch, that supposedly saved Desmond's life. Does someone remember these incidents differently?
One other thing! Does everyone remember, according to the address on the letters, Penelope lives down the street from Lucy Heatherton? 'Who's Lucy Heatherton Hodgepodge?' She's the girl Charlie dated in Homecoming. He stole her father's cigarette case. How's that for coincidence! :)
Hodge - you are recalling correctly, but I don't think you were aware of the letters shown in the capture that I posted, which was taken from the end of the finale around the time that Penelope was called.
Richardstone
09-15-06, 10:52 PM
TP TP posted a cap of the letters in the arctic monitoring station...
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg
ETA:- He beat me to it...
:)
Why in the blue-blazes would the chess-nerds need those letters?
juanbong
09-15-06, 10:59 PM
Quoted by L-PU:
Why in the blue-blazes would the chess-nerds need those letters?
Valid point.
It does though make for the case that Penelope is really looking for Desmond all this time (or LOST time, so to speak...)
Maybe. How did Penny get the letters in the first place?
When Desmond went missing, maybe Pen "acquired" his belongings.
Or the scientists did. Maybe they're a little shadier than we think and are actually working for Papa Widmore.
If so, why would they have called Pen?
Maybe the letters are there because Pen left them there. As in, maybe she's not so far away from them afterall.
Edit: typo
Richardstone
09-15-06, 11:13 PM
When Desmond went missing, maybe Pen "acquired" his belongings.
Do you think she would have been a little PO to find out her father had kept Demond's letters a secret from her?
And then he goes missing during old man Widmores race?
:detective
If so, why would they have called Pen?
Maybe the letters are there because Pen left them there. As in, maybe she's not so far away from them afterall.
Edit: typo
Don't know. I honestly don't know what to make of the letters being there period.
juanbong
09-15-06, 11:29 PM
No doubt Pen would be upset. She still has feelings for Des even though she is "planning" on getting married. ( I still don't believe the wedding was even going t o happen, but that's another story ).
Des has got to do what's right for him - pride minded and all. Fair enough. I can relate.
But it is rather odd that the scientists have the letters in the first place. No sign of Daddy Warbucks in Pen and the scientists time frame. That is still left to be decided. But it does seem that Pen and her old man don't see eye to eye and that her flame is still burning for Des, as evidence shows the photo they both had gotten together.
And we still aren't very sure where the scientist's observation area is located.
Hodgepodge
09-15-06, 11:58 PM
Holy crap Batman! I apologize you guys. I didn't really look at that pic the first time around. Now, I'm on the right page. And you're right, this is baffling.
Bare with me guys! I'm just coming aboard. Has anybody tried to spin this pic around to look at the postmark? Maybe, just blowup that section of the envelope? Why is there no addressee? Just a return address.
TPTP makes a good point though! Remember when she tracked him down at the stadium? "The landlord at your flat told me you ran here everyday." When he disappeared at sea, maybe she went back and got all of his belongings. She would've found the letters.
clayseason1
09-16-06, 04:45 PM
juanbong
No doubt Pen would be upset. She still has feelings for Des even though she is "planning" on getting married.
IMO, I think Pen was the girl Jae (Sun's prior beau - the guy that taught her English) met at Harvard and was engaged to be married to in 6 months (info Jae told Sun on the day she first meets Jin). The timing appears right and I can picture Pen at Harvard.
Black Stallion
09-16-06, 07:58 PM
I think we need to remember what brought the plane down and what was happening with the numbers not being entered is a seperate incident than what happens when Desmond turns the key. I think after he turns the key is when the guys think that they missed it. But then maybe the one guys knows what could have happened and thats why he says 'just shut up and call.'
I doubt Penelope is as much looking for Desmond as she is for this place. What if something has happened to her father and she has discovered some of his little secrets?
Only 17 more days!!!! AHHHH
Hodgepodge
09-16-06, 10:49 PM
juanbong
IMO, I think Pen was the girl Jae (Sun's prior beau - the guy that taught her English) met at Harvard and was engaged to be married to in 6 months (info Jae told Sun on the day she first meets Jin). The timing appears right and I can picture Pen at Harvard.CS, I wouldn't want to live in your head! :) This is another interesting developement you've come up with. I can definitely see this coming to fruition.
beyond_lost
09-18-06, 01:05 PM
juanbong
IMO, I think Pen was the girl Jae (Sun's prior beau - the guy that taught her English) met at Harvard and was engaged to be married to in 6 months (info Jae told Sun on the day she first meets Jin). The timing appears right and I can picture Pen at Harvard.
It wouldn't really be a surprise. Her tone and speach are from "our" area. She could very well be. Connections are all over the show, so it would make sense.
juanbong
09-18-06, 03:39 PM
Quoted by clayseason1:
IMO, I think Pen was the girl Jae (Sun's prior beau - the guy that taught her English) met at Harvard
Interesting theory.....
nastyned
09-18-06, 04:25 PM
"Maybe these are new letters, never sent, but found during the hunt for Desmond."
The letters have stamps and are clearly post-marked. So they had to have been mailed. Bu there is no mailing address, just Desmond's return address. Very stange.
Are we then to assume that Desmond worked in this station before and that is where he sent the letters from? These were missing the mailing address and were just returned to sender.
Could that be the "jump the shark" moment? Desmond was monitoring the station that was looking for the same island he is now lost on? Doesn't seem jump the sharkish yet to me. It would have to be more than that. Like Desmond knows all about the island and is just pretending to be a drunken fool with a 40 day long memory.
I doubt Desmond would have worked in a "station" that was likely employed to find him or the island. He sent the letters from prison.
Hodgepodge
09-18-06, 10:54 PM
...The letters have stamps and are clearly post-marked. So they had to have been mailed. Bu there is no mailing address, just Desmond's return address. Very stange.
Are we then to assume that Desmond worked in this station before and that is where he sent the letters from? These were missing the mailing address and were just returned to sender.That's the way I see it Nastyned. TPTP, is there anyway to flip that screencap so we can read the postmark? Then blow it up? I'd like to no where they were mailed from.
I'll take a look at it tonight, Hodge. However, comparing that address to the address on the letters in the box, it appears that they were mailed from the jail.
A little food for thought while we're considering the implication of those letters:
1) Desmond disappeared in 2001 during a race around the world.
2) The scene in the arctic was confirmed by TPTB to have happened in the "present" which as of the finale we are aware is 2004.
3) Desmond has been gone for three years, during which time a rescue attempt has potentially been both put forth and ended.
4) Penny has no physical way of knowing Desmond was on said island.
5) We do not know where Desmond set sail from, but he believes that where he is may be close to Fiji, since he references that as a point he could get to within a few weeks at sea from the Island.
6) A small-engine prop plane leaving Nigeria managed to end up on the Island which (if it is somewhere northeast of Australia) is outside of the plane's fuel reserves to reach--meaning, even if Penelope did know where Desmond's ship vanished, it may not be where the island is.
7) The men in the arctic listening post were clearly looking for magnetic anomalies, this precludes anything having to do with Desmond. This does however make a fine case for the Island itself.
8) Widmore (Penelope's father's corporation) is a multi-national company that (along with Paik Heavy Industries) has been connected to the Hanso Foundation.
9) We have yet to see any proof of the Hanso Foundation's involvement in the current story of Lost. The others may well be something or someone else entirely.
10) The only Hanso Foundation members we do know of have a very large ship that is transporting the beginnings of a plague designed to wipe out 30% of the world's population.
11) The addresses of the letters in the station cannot clearly be read.
Therefore, considering the above we can attempt to draw the following conclusions:
Penny is not looking for Desmond, but perhaps at the behest of her father or in her own position within Widmore looking for the Island for/with the Hanso Foundation. There is no evidence pointing to those letters being Desmond's other than them being letters, and that's a tenuous tie I think.
However, I am prepared to lather up my foot real nice with some ranch composite to ease the pain of stuffing it in my mouth if some other evidence about the letters actually being in any way involved with Desmond comes to light :X
Moderator note: Please refrain from posting information that did not air in episodes without properly tagging that information. Furthermore, when mods have to edit your poorly tagged post, we end up reading the stuff that you correctly tagged. most of us do not like to be spoiled. -TPTP
Ida Monster
09-19-06, 01:06 PM
I noticed something strange about the letters.
Facts:
At least one of the letters has a return address.
The sender in the return address appears to be Desmond Hume.
The return address appears to be that of the prison address.
The letter is stamped.
The letter has no delivery address.
The stamp is cancelled (postmarked.) It's already been through the postal system.
There is no other marking indicating the post office rejected the letter such as "RETURN TO SENDER", "NO DELIVERY ADDRESS" etc.Wha...? How could it have already been through the postal system without a delivery address?
Perhaps it was possibly cancelled by hand.
White-out.
Damn prop man screweth up.The mystery deepens.
ETA: I'll agree with #11 in Lucent's post.. the return address does look very much out of focus and cannot be clearly read, so for most part it's an assumption in a Rorschach kind of way.
clayseason1
09-19-06, 01:26 PM
Wha...? How could it have already been through the postal system without a delivery address?
TPTB wanted us to see the letters but were not ready for us to know who they were addressed to. So just like the Desmond/unknown girl photo that magically became Desmond/Pen photo - at some point the address will magically appear as if it was always there. JMO
DreaminLost
09-19-06, 02:59 PM
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Personally, I don't even like Spoilers in GD that are tagged. Most of the time the post doesn't make sense unless you read the Spoiler, and the temptation is too great to leave it unopened.
Yes, I know that my curiosity getting the better of me is my own issue, but I wish I didn't have to be tempted in GD at all.
stuckychavez
09-19-06, 06:54 PM
I found this at another site where they are discussing it. It looks like the letters in the Ice Station have letters from Desmond? Has this been discussed?
Letter comparison (http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2006/09/desmond-was-writing-letters-to-men-in.html)
Thanks
nastyned
09-19-06, 06:54 PM
"Damn prop man screweth up"
Although it seems unlikely that a prop mistake was made in the final "cliffhanger" scene of S2, anything is possible. My guess is that most of the letters in the box in the car only had a return address, stamp and postmark because that is all that might have been visible from the top of the box in the car shot of the box. Is it possible some of these were pulled and used by mistake in the arctic station? I don't know how else to explain stamped, post-marked letters (i.e., letters that were in fact mailed) with no mailing address.
It has been discussed. It has also become a moot point because:
1) The letters have no "to:" address.
2) The letters are not clear enough to be certain that the return addresses are the same
3) It could very well be mind games by TPTB. Considering the blatant removal or omission of a "to:" address and the fact that the letters are supposed to have been through the postal system (without a recipient).
It is something that we have only one option, should we wish to find out more: Keep watching lost.
Richardstone
09-19-06, 07:11 PM
Has anyone seen this...
http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/2006/09/desmond-was-writing-letters-to-men-in.html
:)
stuckychavez
09-19-06, 07:18 PM
It has been discussed. It has also become a moot point because:
1) The letters have no "to:" address.
2) The letters are not clear enough to be certain that the return addresses are the same
3) It could very well be mind games by TPTB. Considering the blatant removal or omission of a "to:" address and the fact that the letters are supposed to have been through the postal system (without a recipient).
It is something that we have only one option, should we wish to find out more: Keep watching lost.
Thank you very much you are most kind.
Hodgepodge
09-19-06, 07:26 PM
Ida Monster's last post brought something to light that happened to me some years ago.
I'm sure some of you remember, before online bill paying became the fashion, you'd pick a night and write out bills. Well, I was writing out bills one night, and realized I was paying a bill two weeks early. So I decided, why give them the interest when I can use it myself. I got distracted by something and never went back to my bill paying. TPTB (Mrs. Hodgepodge), being the sweet person she is, decided to mail them for me. Of course the bill I decided to wait on was in the stack and got mailed. It had a return address, but no addressee. By the time I got the bill returned by the Post Office, the bill was late. But that's another matter. Ida Monster's point is made. When I received the bill back, it was stamped "return to sender". The one apparently written by Desmond has nothing. I can see it being mailed by mistake, but not being returned without some type of stamp noting the reason. My point is this!
TPTB wanted us to see the letters but were not ready for us to know who they were addressed to. So just like the Desmond/unknown girl photo that magically became Desmond/Pen photo - at some point the address will magically appear as if it was always there. JMO:yeah:
TPTB wanted us to see the letters but were not ready for us to know who they were addressed to. So just like the Desmond/unknown girl photo that magically became Desmond/Pen photo - at some point the address will magically appear as if it was always there. JMO
I sincerely hope this is not the case. I mean the Desmond/Pen photo was one thing because she hadn't been cast yet. Flat out changing reality so that we don't find out too much too quickly is really uncool. That's like saying TPTB can change the black rock to an aircraft carrier with the excuse that if we knew it was a WWII aircraft carrier in season 1 it would give too much away. Well then don't go to the black rock in season 1. They didn't have to show us letters. They also didn't have to have them fully in the shot if they didn't want us to see the address. Those would be acceptable. But magic ink is unacceptable.
rknorton91
09-20-06, 02:08 AM
I agree I doubt that is the case. I would guess that these envelopes (I say envelopes because we really don't know if there is a letter even in them) were envelopes Desmond pre return addressed ahead of time while in prison and waited to put the sending address on them until he had a letter to send.
Now either he left these behind by accident when he left the prison or maybe someone else took some of his pre addressed envelopes for some reason?
or a more sinister option is that someone had intentionaly made fake letters trying to pass them selves off as Desmond
I've been playing with enhancing a capture of the letters, but don't have something that I want to post yet. From what I'm seeing, it's the same handwriting as on the letters that Desmond sent. I'll post something tomorrow.
I would guess that these envelopes (I say envelopes because we really don't know if there is a letter even in them) were envelopes Desmond pre return addressed ahead of time while in prison and waited to put the sending address on them until he had a letter to send.
That was my first thought, but they are canceled, meaning they have a postmark and have been through the system. These letters have been mailed.
LOL on the magic ink. I was thinking that, too, and it horrified me.
I've been playing with enhancing a capture of the letters, but don't have something that I want to post yet. From what I'm seeing, it's the same handwriting as on the letters that Desmond sent. I'll post something tomorrow.
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing those.
nastyned
09-20-06, 03:50 PM
"at some point the address will magically appear as if it was always there"
If so, I think what they will insist that it was always there and that it was just the angle of the letters, the lighting and the kind of pen used that made the mailing address difficult or impossible to see.
crackchecker
09-20-06, 07:18 PM
Didn't anyone here ever write the to on the back of the letter, the flap? I know I have done that in the past.
That would explain why we don't see one.
Hodgepodge
09-20-06, 11:39 PM
Crackchecker, let me welcome you to Lost-TV. I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. If you haven't already do so, make sure to read the New Member Welcome (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7875) post, and introduce yourself in the same thread. Now to your post.
Didn't anyone here ever write the to on the back of the letter, the flap? I know I have done that in the past.
That would explain why we don't see one.TPTB may well play it out like this. But it would be a deviation from the norm (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/03/livediecap0109.jpg).
And again, :welcome:
Free_elf
09-21-06, 12:34 AM
TPTB may well play it out like this. But it would be a deviation from the norm (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/03/livediecap0109.jpg).
And again, :welcome:
It sounds like you are suggesting that there is a "norm" in this show that would imply consistency? Is that correct? Wow. Now THAT would be an interesting concept.
Hodgepodge
09-21-06, 12:38 AM
It sounds like you are suggesting that there is a "norm" in this show that would imply consistency? Is that correct? Wow. Now THAT would be an interesting concept.Touche! :D
Ida Monster
09-21-06, 01:21 PM
Didn't anyone here ever write the to on the back of the letter, the flap? I know I have done that in the past.
That would explain why we don't see one.
Nope. Contrarily, that's where I sometimes write my return address.
sterioss
09-21-06, 09:42 PM
I think that there is a bigger question that should be asked. But, first the Portugese speaking scientist were obviously looking for the Electromagnetic anomoly. To our knowledge this anomoly has only occurred three times. 1) The incident from the video 2) The incident when the 815 flight was crashed 3) the incident in the season finaly.
The question I have is what is the basis of their looking for the EM Anomoly? How did they know to look for such a thing? And how did they know that an EM Anomoly would lead to Des?
jpallen
09-22-06, 04:35 PM
The question I have is what is the basis of their looking for the EM Anomoly? How did they know to look for such a thing? And how did they know that an EM Anomoly would lead to Des?
I completely agree. The only thing I can think of is that of course she had enough money to pay someone to track him through the race because she was worried about him, but you have to assume that these people knew he dissappeared at some point, and even still have to assume they had EM detection equipment at that time, which for me it is a stretch to believe that they just happened to have it.
I was actually a little dissapointed when I saw the end of that episode, because it brought us back into the realm of the regular world with a cheesy love story, and it was not a very lostesque mystery.
The only other thing I could think of is that she knew about the dharma initiative and she paid to have him put there. I know it's a stretch but it makes more sense than her knowing that an EM anomoly would lead her to him. Maybe she was trying to protect him, I'm not sure.
nastyned
09-22-06, 04:50 PM
I think it is more likely that her Dad had him put there and she found out.
I'm pulling for the following (because I think it will happen):
Desmond told Pen to "look in <insert place here> if I don't return from my race". Pen looked there, found all the letters Desmond sent her. Pen confronted her dad about it. Her dad told her Desmond was never coming back but assures her Des is alive, as best he knows. After arguing, he leaks some information about the uniqueness of the island and how it could be found by someone with enough money and time.
Then again, maybe she isn't even looking for Desmond..
Hodgepodge
09-22-06, 10:49 PM
I think that there is a bigger question that should be asked. But, first the Portugese speaking scientist were obviously looking for the Electromagnetic anomoly. To our knowledge this anomoly has only occurred three times. 1) The incident from the video 2) The incident when the 815 flight was crashed 3) the incident in the season finaly.
The question I have is what is the basis of their looking for the EM Anomoly? How did they know to look for such a thing? And how did they know that an EM Anomoly would lead to Des?First off, I agree with your three incident scenario. Although, I'd like to add the phrase, "that we've seen". I personally think these incidents have been occurring for a long time. Years, if not decades! Remember what Dr. Candle said in the Orientation Film. "...Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island." I get the impression, this was a naturally occurring phenomenon. Dharma wanted to harness it for their own purposes. Whatever that may, or may not have been.
There's been speculation in this thread Penelope may not be searching for Desmond. I think the envelopes/letters found in the listening post should dispel that for good. I also think there's a connection between Widmore and the Dharma Initiative. I think this is how Penelope became involved. Did she come across some information tying her father's company to the happenings in that area of the world?
When Desmond went missing and assumed drown, I'm sure she followed every step of that race. With her money and fortitude she probably got every piece of info on that race. Is she following the clues she's found over these three years?
djsunyc
09-23-06, 01:25 AM
first time posting here. great forums.
anyway, i don't think anybody has mentioned this but what if that artic station was ON THE ISLAND? i mean, we did see a polar bear.
Lostgirl01
09-23-06, 01:44 AM
...and you know that photo of the little girl in the Artic station is there for a reason.... How many days now???...it's killing me
rknorton91
09-23-06, 01:57 AM
I personally think these incidents have been occurring for a long time. Years, if not decades! Remember what Dr. Candle said in the Orientation Film. "...Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island." I get the impression, this was a naturally occurring phenomenon. Dharma wanted to harness it for their own purposes. Whatever that may, or may not have been.
While I agree with your assumption that this was originaly a natural occuring electromagnetic flucuations. I think in the course of doing studies on this magnetic field they somehow caused a reaction or somehow boosted it's field that makes it possibly very dangerous but at the same time extremely usefull thus the reason why they maintain the field with the button pushing but keep a fail safe system to shut it down in case of maybe some sort of overload.
jpallen
09-23-06, 02:38 AM
There's been speculation in this thread Penelope may not be searching for Desmond. I think the envelopes/letters found in the listening post should dispel that for good.
I'm sorry, I must have missed that. What is the listening post? I don't remember seeing any letters other than the one's in Penelope's dad's car and the one in his book.
rknorton91
09-23-06, 03:09 PM
I'm sorry, I must have missed that. What is the listening post? I don't remember seeing any letters other than the one's in Penelope's dad's car and the one in his book.
The listening post they are refering to is seen in the last few minutes of season 2. When the two guys speaking Portugese and playing chess see elctromagnetic anomoly. The letters they are refering to are sitting next to the computer terminal.
Here is a scren cap that was posted earlier http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg
Black Stallion
09-23-06, 06:40 PM
Gotta agree with you HodgePodge.
Plus why would she still have a picture of the two of them beside her bed if she's simply moved on to monitoring electromagnet activity for her dad. This woman is smart and has found a way to get some information out of her Father's company.
can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait can't wait
zetaprime
09-23-06, 06:53 PM
The listening post they are refering to is seen in the last few minutes of season 2. When the two guys speaking Portugese and playing chess see elctromagnetic anomoly. The letters they are refering to are sitting next to the computer terminal.
Here is a scren cap that was posted earlier http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg
I don't see the special significance of the letters in that picture. If some guys are stationed in some remote location it would make sense that they'd have some letters from home lying around. Why would the letters have anything to do with the losties? The odd thing about the letter on top that you can see is that it only has the return address on it, which is unreadable.
What if the scene with Pen is set a few years after the plane crash and the reason they know to look for the island is because they have talked to Michael.
zetaprime
09-23-06, 08:33 PM
What if the scene with Pen is set a few years after the plane crash and the reason they know to look for the island is because they have talked to Michael.
The trouble with that is the producers already said that the last scenes were taking place in real time rather than flashback.
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Without Dane
09-23-06, 08:56 PM
True. That would have been a cool idea though.
The trouble with that is the producers already said that the last scenes were taking place in real time rather than flashback.
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But I don't believe they've ever been too terribly specific about island time, now have they?
jpallen
09-23-06, 10:05 PM
It looks like the letters obviously begin with a name beginning in "D", but that still doesn't prove anything, because we don't know the names of the two scientists. And why in the world would they need a letter Desmond wrote Pen while he was in prison?? This doesn't seem like it would help them find him in any way.
rknorton91
09-24-06, 03:21 AM
I don't see the special significance of the letters in that picture. If some guys are stationed in some remote location it would make sense that they'd have some letters from home lying around. Why would the letters have anything to do with the losties? The odd thing about the letter on top that you can see is that it only has the return address on it, which is unreadable.
True when you look at that pic by itslef it is not realy legible http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg
But if you look at this picture http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/03/livediecap0109.jpg and compare the Spacing of the words and as best as you can the style of the writing you will see they match
and for me personaly I can just about read the word Desmond Hume on the top return address line after you compare them, the rest are just a bit to blury to read very well
Aaron's Mum
09-24-06, 05:38 AM
What if the scene with Pen is set a few years after the plane crash and the reason they know to look for the island is because they have talked to Michael.
The trouble with that is the producers already said that the last scenes were taking place in real time rather than flashback.
Well the show started 2 years ago and has covered a few months time. The last scenes of the guys in the arctic station could be real time meaning now - 2006 while being quite far into the future as far as the Lost timeline is concerned. This would make Pieman's idea jive with the TPTB statement.
Aaron's Mum
09-24-06, 05:43 AM
Also, if Penny was getting married to someone other than Desmond, is it possible that her new hubby is on that island too? Maybe her hubby is one of the others and she is actually looking for him and it is just coincidence that Desmond is in the same place.
As far as Sun's bald friend - does anyone remember his exact words? Did he fall in love with an American woman, or a woman in America. Penny isn't American.
Schizogenia
09-24-06, 07:03 AM
or maybe Penny was looking for her new husband: ...tantantaaaaa: The real henry Gale?!!!
...and for me personaly I can just about read the word Desmond Hume on the top return address line after you compare them, the rest are just a bit to blury to read very well
Exactly the way I see it. I'm still trying to get a better shot of the letters in the "listening station", but I got busy and had to drop it for a few days.
As far as Sun's bald friend - does anyone remember his exact words? Did he fall in love with an American woman, or a woman in America. Penny isn't American.
As best I can remember, they have been very sketchy with this. I don't think Jae (?) ever said "amercian woman".
I definitely see that plot-reveal coming though. It would make perfect sense seeing as he came back to Korea from the states after moving there (Pen backed out because of Desmond, one would assume). He said he "thought he was in love".
Aaron's Mum
09-24-06, 08:20 AM
OK I just checked the transcripts (duh. and I was thinking I had to replay the episode) and in S2 E5 - "And Found", Jae says "When I was at Harvard, I met an American woman... I haven't told my father yet, but... in six months, I'm going to move there and marry her."
Found in the Land of Lost
09-24-06, 08:47 AM
I messed around with this a little, but I couldn't make the writing very legible. I don't have Photoshop where I am, though, so maybe with my filters I'll be able to get it a little clearer later on.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/elisabethjohnson/lost-tv/letter1.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/elisabethjohnson/lost-tv/letter2.jpg
What's is pretty significant to me, though, is that the stamp looks to be the same.
Where did this screencap come from (the one from the station)? Is there a way to get a higher res. one?
Where did this screencap come from (the one from the station)? Is there a way to get a higher res. one?
It came from me. I took it from the HDTV stream at 1280x720, which is as high as it gets for this show. I'm currently (trying to get back to) running that scene through some enhancement software that I recently picked up to get a better shot. I'm hoping to have an update in a few days.
Found in the Land of Lost
09-24-06, 09:10 AM
Hey there, TPTP. :)
I'll be looking out for that enhanced pic, but I don't know that I need to see it. I'm pretty convinced at this point that it's the same name/address/writing. Doesn't it look like the same stamp, or am I just up too late?
Aaron's Mom thats what i was thinking the scene is set in 2006 and not in 2004.
Aaron's Mum
09-24-06, 05:14 PM
Also, if Penny was getting married to someone other than Desmond, is it possible that her new hubby is on that island too? Maybe her hubby is one of the others and she is actually looking for him and it is just coincidence that Desmond is in the same place.
I just rewatched the end of the finale. Penny has the picture of her and Desmond on her nightstand. So nevermind my silly idea. She is looking for Desmond.
*Saint*
09-25-06, 03:14 AM
I just rewatched the end of the finale. Penny has the picture of her and Desmond on her nightstand. So nevermind my silly idea. She is looking for Desmond.
Yes. And doing so very quite against her father's wishes...
...right??
Without Dane
09-25-06, 03:22 AM
That's what I'd say.
*Saint*
09-25-06, 03:27 AM
I really need to re-watch the finale before next week. I've had it saved on my computer for ages... But Widmore was the one that wanted him gone. She has the money to search for him. But she couldn't have possibly persuaded her father's company (or people that worked for him) to search for a former flame. Did she know about the island prior to this? She obviously is aware of the electromagnetic activity...
Without Dane
09-25-06, 03:42 AM
I predict the death of Mr. Widmore and Penelope learning about the island while going through his stuff / being caught up with what her family's company had been up to.
Just to continue the threadjack here about the letters.....thought I might play amatuer psychiatrist. If you were someone like Desmond who, most particularily after prison, seems somewhat of a loner, is desperately attempting a solo race that could potentially lead to his death, all in order to win her back and prove Daddy wrong; who do you talk to about all this, other than the woman you love? Big problem though, Daddy has forbidden all communication and you've no idea what address you could send anything to anyway without him interfering. Yet you've written a letter to this woman (by the looks of the box) every week of your incarceration, even when you received no reply. That kind of behaviour becomes a habit that can be hard to break. Suppose you then take it a step furthur and assume that Des uses the letter writing like a journal, or maybe in the hopes that one day she will read it, even whilst he's preparing for the race. He even sends them because in some way this makes him feel like they are communicating, even though she never recieves them. In these letters are every detail of your prepartion, your planned route etc. All this would be VERY important clues for someone trying to find Des. So, the scenerio is; Des goes missing, Penny gathers all his belongings from his house (whatever), in order to track him down. She finds/reads/uses the letters and perhaps it leads to her questioning her Dad about certain facets of his company????? Draw your own conclusions. Of course this doesn't explain the no "return to sender" stamp which is actually a big glitch in my hypothesis. Still I hope it's food for thought.
nastyned
09-25-06, 03:09 PM
"Well the show started 2 years ago and has covered a few months time. The last scenes of the guys in the arctic station could be real time meaning now - 2006 while being quite far into the future as far as the Lost timeline is concerned. This would make Pieman's idea jive with the TPTB statement."
But if time moves more slowly on the island, then Desmond's threee years on the island would make it way more than September 2004 in the real world when the losties crashed. In other words, the fact that Desmond was not suprised when he read the printout reflecting his September 2004 incident that brought down the plane shows that time has to be the same on the island as in the outside world.
The_Lurker
09-25-06, 09:00 PM
Interesting theories abound here, in regard to the letters in the Arctic station. For now, I'm going to look upon them as one of those Easter eggs the producers put in merely to see if folks will find them, a la the dharma logo on the shark, but only TPTB know for sure.
Hodgepodge
09-25-06, 11:30 PM
While I agree with your assumption that this was originaly a natural occuring electromagnetic flucuations. I think in the course of doing studies on this magnetic field they somehow caused a reaction or somehow boosted it's field that makes it possibly very dangerous but at the same time extremely usefull thus the reason why they maintain the field with the button pushing but keep a fail safe system to shut it down in case of maybe some sort of overload.Rknorton91, it isn't very hard believing this theory. There's been speculation all along that the "Others" have caused some type of breach on the island.
I don't think there's a doubt the names on both sets of envelopes is Desmond Hume. Again, what interest me is the postmark. Was that envelope with no addresseee sent from the prison? That might narrow down the speculation.
I'd forgotten about Jae's conversation with Sun. He wouldn't confuse an American with an English woman. Although, they both speak English. This may take Jae out of the running. I'd like to know what CS thinks about this little gotcha? She likes the idea of Penelope and Jae being a couple at one time.
Can we estimate how long after Desmond gets out of prison he enters this race around the world? We've got a couple of episodes that we find him in. There's MoS, MoF and Live Together, Die Alone. Any clues in the conversation he has with Jack? Remember him meeting with Penelope that same night? What about his scene with Libby? Any newspapers or signs that may give us a time frame?
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:52 PM
"When did Penelope 'Find' 'It' ?"
Hey..isn't that from an eppy of Seinfeld?
clayseason1
09-26-06, 12:17 AM
I'd forgotten about Jae's conversation with Sun. He wouldn't confuse an American with an English woman. Although, they both speak English. This may take Jae out of the running. I'd like to know what CS thinks about this little gotcha? She likes the idea of Penelope and Jae being a couple at one time.
Pen....poor little rich girl...born in America....attended boarding school in England...insisted on attending Harvard so she can be close to Mrs. Widmore (estranged wife of Charles) who resides close to Harvard with her other relatives..... Yeah, I can see that. :D
Hodgepodge
09-26-06, 01:06 AM
Pen....poor little rich girl...born in America....attended boarding school in England...insisted on attending Harvard so she can be close to Mrs. Widmore (estranged wife of Charles) who resides close to Harvard with her other relatives..... Yeah, I can see that. :DDon't you hate it when she does this! :nanabobo:
Aaron's Mum
09-26-06, 03:29 AM
"Well the show started 2 years ago and has covered a few months time. The last scenes of the guys in the arctic station could be real time meaning now - 2006 while being quite far into the future as far as the Lost timeline is concerned. This would make Pieman's idea jive with the TPTB statement."
But if time moves more slowly on the island,then Desmond's threee years on the island would make it way more than September 2004 in the real world when the losties crashed. In other words, the fact that Desmond was not suprised when he read the printout reflecting his September 2004 incident that brought down the plane shows that time has to be the same on the island as in the outside world.
I dont think that time is moving slowly on the island. I was just pointing out that the timeline on the show is slower than our time here in reality. The show started in Sept 2004 and the plane crashed in September 2004. The finale that we saw in May 2006 was stuff that "happened" in November 2004. It has taken us 2 years to see a plot that covers about two months time. So if the TPTB mean that the arctic stuff was happening in "real time" meaning our real-life time, than it could be in the future for the show. I need some more wine! lol:Cheers:
*Saint*
09-26-06, 04:24 AM
Am I missing something?
Who is "Jae"???
Mysterious Mike
09-26-06, 04:27 AM
The guy who Sun met when she was set up with the matchmaker and he also gave her English lessons.
*Saint*
09-26-06, 04:31 AM
The guy who Sun met when she was set up with the matchmaker and he also gave her English lessons.
Ooohhh! That's right. Lord. How did I miss that!? :(
LostInWilderness
09-26-06, 05:11 AM
Just catching the tail end of this, but I like the idea that Penelope was Jae's finance before she backed out. Assuming I read the last few posts right, that is.
Is Paik playing Widmore, or are they on equal footing? (I still think Paik is at the top of the off-island manipulators.)
Hodgepodge
09-26-06, 05:25 PM
I dont think that time is moving slowly on the island. I was just pointing out that the timeline on the show is slower than our time here in reality. The show started in Sept 2004 and the plane crashed in September 2004. The finale that we saw in May 2006 was stuff that "happened" in November 2004. It has taken us 2 years to see a plot that covers about two months time. So if the TPTB mean that the arctic stuff was happening in "real time" meaning our real-life time, than it could be in the future for the show. I need some more wine! lol:Cheers:But you know something Aaron's Mum, TPTB love to play on the word "time". They refuse to be tied down when comes to that word. Is "time" on and off the island the same? They give some round about answer, that doesn't really answer the question.
Someone earlier in the thread speculated that Penelope knew where to look for Desmond, because she was told by Michael. Who escaped from Craphole Island 2 years ago. And because TPTB refuse to elaborate on the word "time", this theory is possible.
*Saint*
09-26-06, 06:10 PM
Someone earlier in the thread speculated that Penelope knew where to look for Desmond, because she was told by Michael. Who escaped from Craphole Island 2 years ago. And because TPTB refuse to elaborate on the word "time", this theory is possible.
I really like that idea. It makes it slightly more complicated (with questions like, how did Michael meet Penelope and trust her with the information...since Henry Gale stated that he would have to explain what he did to get off the island to whom ever he told) but it's a fascinating idea.
And Jae and Penelope? Would Widmore have approved of that arrangement? I guess that is up for speculation...
Aaron's Mum
09-26-06, 06:11 PM
But you know something Aaron's Mum, TPTB love to play on the word "time". They refuse to be tied down when comes to that word. Is "time" on and off the island the same? They give some round about answer, that doesn't really answer the question.
Someone earlier in the thread speculated that Penelope knew where to look for Desmond, because she was told by Michael. Who escaped from Craphole Island 2 years ago. And because TPTB refuse to elaborate on the word "time", this theory is possible.
I agree and thats what I was defending, I guess I just am not very good at clearly stating things. lol. Too much wine I guess. :Cheers:
Remember this golden oldie?
Now that it would appear that Penny is on her way is there anymore insight into Des' unaddressed letters being at the arctic station?
Hodgepodge
04-24-07, 06:22 PM
Locke Push-Ups, thanks for helping my brain feel like its on a swing. I've gone back and forth on whether Desmond is actually in a time loop. This thread has me thinking there's a possibility again. Thanks buddy! :rolleyez:
GoPanthers
04-24-07, 06:53 PM
Now that is an interesting thread. I had totally forgotten about the letters being there. Think maybe this issue will be addressed (get it, addressed, hahaha) this season? I doubt it will.
Hodgepodge
04-24-07, 10:08 PM
With what we know now, and what we suspect, can we come up with an explanation for the letters? Especially the one postmarked with no addressee?
ETA: So no one has to look for the letters (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/superbadazbass/LOST/223/223-Anomaly03.jpg) (thanks TPTP).
That's what I was wondering when I gave this ole girl a *bump* Hodge, but I still can't come up with a valid explanation.
ETA: Are we to assume that Desmond took the letters but not the money? I can't really ever recall having discussions about the cash. (nevermind, just read the script and he didn't take the money. Dummy.)
GoPanthers
04-25-07, 11:14 AM
I kinda like the idea of him having them in his apartment (of course he would have taken them back from Mr. Widmore) and Penny grabbing them after he disappears. But that still doesn't explain the lack of a mailing address (not that I think anything will adequately explain that) nor does that explain how they got from Penny's posession to the listening station.
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