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Alostcause
09-18-06, 09:56 PM
I can't talk to anyone else about it because they don't watch it so I'm wondering, any Pro-Wrestling fans here?
Mysterious Mike
09-18-06, 10:11 PM
I am not a regular viewer but I do pop in once in awhile and am usually up to date on most storylines. I was a huge wrestling fan growing up and am well versed in classic wrestling , I just haven't watched as much as I used to in recent years.
They actually have WWE On Demand now and they have some really obscure stuff I haven't seen before like the 84 Maple Leaf Cup , sadly I don't subscribe to this service but it has some great stuff on it.
Alostcause
09-18-06, 11:19 PM
I don't have any of that OnDemand stuff so I can't watch many pay per views
or WWE 24/7. I did see Unforgiven last night though at the movie theatre
JustDucky
09-18-06, 11:44 PM
I follow what is going on - but I don't watch it as regularly as I used too.
I like Edge and King Booker - but not a lot of else of the current crop
is HULKAMANIA still floating around?
Alostcause
09-18-06, 11:46 PM
I follow what is going on - but I don't watch it as regularly as I used too.
I like Edge and King Booker - but not a lot of else of the current crop
John Cena almost killed Edge in a TLC match yesterday
Mysterious Mike
09-19-06, 12:20 AM
What possible reason could they have for bringing back TaTonka.
I think Vince finally realized that some of their best ratings were when Stone Cold was kicking his and Shane's rears and spraying beer all over so he got himself involved with the DX thing.
At least in ECW they let the Giant wrestle and smack guys around like it would happen if there was any semblance of reality , it seemed like Vince just didn't know how to use him for about 3-4 years and he was losing to midgets like Rey Mysterio.
I'm a huge fan of the WWE, just a heads up to y'all out there, I have PROOF that wrestling is not real :D Lol, I just hate it when people think it's real!!!
(p.s Cena is a poser.)
Alostcause
09-19-06, 12:36 AM
Cena is one of my favourites.... but The Marine looks like crap
And I'm well aware it's fake
Cena is a pretty good wrestler, but he is still a poser lol. Even though Edge is from Canada I hate him, he's such a jerk.
Yeah, I "know" indirectly, Mr. Kennedy from Smackdown (His real life name isn't even Kennedy, lol) Anyways, I was talking to him about some of the stunts they do, it's pretty ingenius some of the ways they make it look so real. Did you know Triple H's sledgehammer is 100% real? I thought that was interesting...
I'm looking forward to seeing the champ tonight, and DX, I love DX! I hate the Big Show, and the McMahons are meant to be hated!
Alostcause
09-19-06, 12:44 AM
Cena is a pretty good wrestler, but he is still a poser lol. Even though Edge is from Canada I hate him, he's such a jerk.
Did you know Triple H's sledgehammer is 100% real? I thought that was interesting...
I'm looking forward to seeing the champ tonight, and DX, I love DX! I hate the Big Show, and the McMahons are meant to be hated!
Ok.
1) Edge: THANK YOU!! I hate him!
2) I did not know his sledgehammer is real. How do they do it? I'd like to know about blood too.
3) I am totaly watching RAW tonight. Especially after what DX did to Mr. McMahon last night!
Returner
09-19-06, 12:45 AM
wwe = weird wacky eaters
Ok.
1) Edge: THANK YOU!! I hate him!
2) I did not know his sledgehammer is real. How do they do it? I'd like to know about blood too.
3) I am totaly watching RAW tonight. Especially after what DX did to Mr. McMahon last night!
2: Yes, his sledgehammer is real. Watch him when he uses it, he cups his hand around the end of the sledgehammer. It absorbs most of the impact, but doesn't hurt him because there is no room for vibration between his hand, the sledgehammer, and the other guys face! The blood is done just like in the movies, fake blood packets. Usually taped to a chair, sledgehammer, and other weapons.
Alostcause
09-19-06, 12:49 AM
Ah. Ok. Thank you for revealling all the mysteries of the WWE for me
Haha, not a problem. Not sure if you watched the PPV last night (I didn't but I looked at pictures and read what happend) To win the match Cena FU'ed Edge of the top of the ladder through 2 tables. The tables have absolutely no structural support in the centre, so the wrestler goes straight through them, the ring is shock absorbant, but like the Sealy Mattress the rest of the ring isn't affected. It's very interesting technology and enables high "risk" highflying manouevers to be executed. I learned all this from..
"MR. KENNEDY........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................Kennneddddy!"
Alostcause
09-19-06, 12:54 AM
Cool
And I did watch Unforgiven last night. It was crazy. WWE.com says Kane (another one of my favourites) and Umaga are gonna be in a rematch from the one last night tonight, considering it was a tie determined by ring out
Cool
And I did watch Unforgiven last night. It was crazy. WWE.com says Kane (another one of my favourites) and Umaga are gonna be in a rematch from the one last night tonight, considering it was a tie determined by ring out
Daaymn, lucky man! I so wanted to watch it but wife told me it was a waste of money :p
Yeah, I love Kane! I watched his "Path of Destruction" videos on WWE.com and it really shows just how insane this guy is! http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/kane/destruction/
I can't wait to see the rematch! :blinkie:
It's so nice to finally have somebody to chat wrestling with!
Alostcause
09-19-06, 01:03 AM
Same here
Rey Mysterio and The Undertaker are my other two favourites
So, how long have you been watching wrestling? Do you watch Smackdown as well? If so I hate King Booker because he plays cheap. I hope Bobby Lashley beats him for the title, and in the end I want Batista to regain!
Alostcause
09-19-06, 01:12 AM
My brother sucked me in a few years ago. And I do watch Smackdown!
Lol, I started watching it with my brother, about 10 years ago, been hooked since. Yeah, I think I prefer Smackdown, I think it's funny how they have already given up on the Great Khali. Just a big guy who couldn't wrestle worth s**t! Lol.
i like the rock...
he was good at what he did...
I've been in and out of wrestling for years. I've gotten back into it recently with the re-emergence of ECW. I should also note that I got out of wrestling when ECW folded.
I grew up watching guys like Ric Flair, Barry Wyndham, Don Moraco, Sgt. Slaughter, Dusty Rhodes, etc. I've been to several live events over the years.
Quote from CRICER: The blood is done just like in the movies, fake blood packets. Usually taped to a chair, sledgehammer, and other weapons.
There is another trick they used to do, I don't know if they still do or not. Anyway, they would cut a tiny piece of a razor blade and keep it pressed under their tongue. When the time was right, they would pull out the razor and just scrape it across their forehead. If you look at some of the old timers, Ivan Koloff comes to mind, you can see the scars.
Mysterious Mike
09-19-06, 04:40 AM
2: Yes, his sledgehammer is real. Watch him when he uses it, he cups his hand around the end of the sledgehammer. It absorbs most of the impact, but doesn't hurt him because there is no room for vibration between his hand, the sledgehammer, and the other guys face! The blood is done just like in the movies, fake blood packets. Usually taped to a chair, sledgehammer, and other weapons.
Actually alot of the blood in wrestling is real , they are givin a tiny little sharpened razor deal from the referee and when you see them covering their face the are actually cutting themselves. Ric Flair was a expert at doing this , I mean how many times have you seen him go face down and the next thing you know his blonde hair is a mess and he has a cut on his hairline. I'll give that some of the blood from their mouths maybe blood capsules but they really do bleed for real alot.
kd8ch is on the right track with the razorblade thing but in modern wrestling they get it from a referee or a partner and only have it in their hand for a few seconds.
Noav Sigless
09-19-06, 06:16 AM
The blood in wrestling is real. It's known as "blading" or "juicing". As others have said, someone, usually the ref, will got to check on the wrestler and slips them a small piece of a razor blade. The wrestler then makes a slice on his forehead. Normally, the cut is right along the hairline to avoid scarring but some older wrestlers, like Abdulah the Butcher, have a forehead of nothing but scar tissue.
I could get mention some more graphic and gross ways wrestlers "juice" but I better not. I will recommend Mick Foley's book Have a Nice Day. He describes many ways he was made to bleed in the ring, both accidentally and intentionally.
I could get mention some more graphic and gross ways wrestlers "juice" but I better not. I will recommend Mick Foley's book Have a Nice Day. He describes many ways he was made to bleed in the ring, both accidentally and intentionally.
I was surprised that that was a good read. I don't normally read many autobiographies, and I didn't really expect a whole lot, but Mick Foley has a way with words, and he's had an interesting career. I, also, would recommend it.
Have to admit I didn't like the Rock's book nearly as well. I think it was the shift from the Dwayne Johnson voice when dealing with his personal stuff to his Rock voice when talking about his professional life.
Alostcause
09-19-06, 09:33 PM
I should go pick up 'Have A Nice Day' I'd enjoy it
Warthawg1
09-19-06, 09:50 PM
I've been in and out of wrestling for years. I've gotten back into it recently with the re-emergence of ECW. I should also note that I got out of wrestling when ECW folded.
I grew up watching guys like Ric Flair, Barry Wyndham, Don Moraco, Sgt. Slaughter, Dusty Rhodes, etc. I've been to several live events over the years.
Quote from CRICER: The blood is done just like in the movies, fake blood packets. Usually taped to a chair, sledgehammer, and other weapons.
There is another trick they used to do, I don't know if they still do or not. Anyway, they would cut a tiny piece of a razor blade and keep it pressed under their tongue. When the time was right, they would pull out the razor and just scrape it across their forehead. If you look at some of the old timers, Ivan Koloff comes to mind, you can see the scars.
Yes, they still "blade". They usually hide it in wristbands or wastebands. They also blade before a match and then stop the bleeding with wax. Then one good brush against the head and the cut is opened up. Ric Flair, Abdullah the butcher, and Dusty are 3 of the best bleeders ever. Hulk was a pretty good bleeder as well. Most of the blood is real and not fake blood packets. Pretty much the only time they do blood packets is when they want to fake internal injury and blood coming out of the mouth. The external bleeding is almost always real blood. Trust me on this one.
Ah.. the memories. Nice to see the shout out to Dusty Rhodes; the spirit of 76... the American dream. "This Saday night Gordon Solie.. At the Om-a-ni in Atlanta-Ga. The American dream...vs Harley Race"
Ah, the memories, lol
Warthawg1
09-19-06, 09:53 PM
Oh and BTW.. Foleys thumbtacks were real as well.
I always liked Cactus Jack more than Mankind.
"BANG BANG"
SpidermanHouston
09-19-06, 09:54 PM
Is Trish Stratus real? She looks to good to be real.
Did she really retire?
Alostcause
09-19-06, 09:55 PM
I still think Mr. Socko is kinda disgusting
Alostcause
09-19-06, 09:55 PM
Is Trish Stratus real? She looks to good to be real.
Did she really retire?
a) I don't think so
b)I'm pretty sure she did
Warthawg1
09-19-06, 10:02 PM
If anyone is interested there are some good video's to see about wrestling.
The unreal story of professional wrestling and Bret Hart:Wrestling with Shadows immediately come to mind. There are more, but bad sinuses are hampering my memory right now.
..but if you really want to see something..pick up some tapes of New Japan or All Japan wrestling. Those people are certifiably insane
Mysterious Mike
09-19-06, 11:05 PM
I am wondering if anyone has seen Stranglemania before. It is Japanese death matches that is hosted by ICP , not exactly an endorsment but they do a good job in Stranglemania one as the commentators.
The highlight of Stranglemania 1 is Catus Jack or Cactus Sack as they call him vs Terry Funk or Drunk Terry Flunk as the call him in an exploding mines barbwire ring match. Lets just says Sack ends up winning but walks out of the ring with his entire head seemingly bleeding.
Warthawg is dead on with the Bret Hart:Wrestling with Shadows reference. It is a great movie and really shows you how crude Vince McMahon is.
Remember the original Four Horsemen? Arn and Ole Anderson, Rick Flair and Tully Blanchard? I remember he had some good matches against Magnum T. A. (Terry Allen) And Flair against the American Dream...ah, the old days.
Here's a question I'll pose to anyone who wants to think about it. I've thought for awhile that the WWE should bring back the Horsemen. If you could take the current WWE roster, Raw and Smackdown, who would make up the current group? Draw from ECW, too. Heck, open it up to TNA, if you want.
I won't post mine yet; this is a spur of the moment question, I'll have to think for awhile.
Alostcause
09-20-06, 12:23 AM
Triple H I think would be a good addition to them. Keep Flair too
Mysterious Mike
09-20-06, 12:46 AM
The horsemen are gone and I think they would only screw it up if they came back , plus it would give Flair another reason to not retire.
They essential had the four horsemen when Evolution consisted of Flair , Randy Orton , Batista and Triple H.
I would have to say the horsemen group of Flair , Windham , Ole and Arn was probably the best ever.
Alostcause
09-20-06, 12:53 AM
I was gonna say something about Evolution, but I wasn't around during the Horsemen times so I didn't know whether it was true or not
Alostcause
09-20-06, 02:15 AM
:bump:
A brief rant about ECW.
I am watching now. They have had three matches, and have yet to have an "Extreme Rules" match. Maybe I don't remember right, but it seems like all the matches in the old ECW were extreme rules. That is what the "E" stands for, right? They did just promo the one extreme match for the night, Booker T. vs. Rob Van Dam, so I guess there will be one.
Another thing, I'm getting tired of Mike Knox and Test. They've been around for several weeks now, and I have only seen them in one Extreme Rules match. Even then, they didn't wrestle Extreme Rules, they did the same stuff that they would have done in a non-Extreme Rules match.
And why do WWE stars keep showing up on ECW? I know the answer, it's cross promotion. Get WWE fans to watch ECW to see WWE stars and vise-versa. Still, when it happens every week, it gets a little old, especially when the person that they are feuding with shows up to interrupt the match.
End of rant.
JustDucky
09-20-06, 03:31 AM
New 4 Horsemen
1)Edge
2) Christian
3) Benoit
4) Lashley
JustDucky
09-20-06, 03:33 AM
A brief rant about ECW.
I am watching now. They have had three matches, and have yet to have an "Extreme Rules" match. Maybe I don't remember right, but it seems like all the matches in the old ECW were extreme rules. That is what the "E" stands for, right? They did just promo the one extreme match for the night, Booker T. vs. Rob Van Dam, so I guess there will be one.
Another thing, I'm getting tired of Mike Knox and Test. They've been around for several weeks now, and I have only seen them in one Extreme Rules match. Even then, they didn't wrestle Extreme Rules, they did the same stuff that they would have done in a non-Extreme Rules match.
And why do WWE stars keep showing up on ECW? I know the answer, it's cross promotion. Get WWE fans to watch ECW to see WWE stars and vise-versa. Still, when it happens every week, it gets a little old, especially when the person that they are feuding with shows up to interrupt the match.
End of rant.
I agree with you 100% - they need to let ECW be its own show & develop their own stars. Down the road an occasional guest will be exciting - now it is just a weekly occurrence.
I was tired of Test after Stephanie dumped him
Mysterious Mike
09-20-06, 03:36 AM
New 4 Horsemen
1)Edge
2) Christian
3) Benoit
4) Lashley
If Ric Flair isn't on the list then it wouldn't be the 4 Horsemen , thats just the cold hard facts.
JustDucky
09-20-06, 03:41 AM
If Ric Flair isn't on the list then it wouldn't be the 4 Horsemen , thats just the cold hard facts.
I would not give them the Horsemen name - because as you said - that needs Flair. I was just thinking of a group that could recreate some of the Horsemen magic.
I think Edge has the ability & mic skills.
Flair could take over as manager ala J. J. Dillon.
I don't know Lashley. Is he on Smackdown? I don't see that as often as Raw, and I don't see Raw every week.
Justme, I like your choices. Benoit is an obvious choice, and tops my list. I think I would like either Edge or Christian, but not necessarily both. Chris Jericho would also vie for a spot. I would also give consideration to Dean Malenko. I would need someone who is more the brute force wrestler to finish it out. I'm not sure why, but I keep thinking Rhyno.
Subject to changing my mind, my choices would be:
Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Rhyno, with Flair as their manager.
I just got back into the WWE a few weeks ago when my cousin got re-obsessed. I have loads of DVDs from 2003 and a few before that too (Summerslam 2000 = best PPV Eva!).
My favourite wrestlers are the Undertaker, Kane, Kevin Nash, Shawn Micheals, Triple H...quite a few, yeah.
Alostcause
09-20-06, 08:11 PM
My favourite wrestlers are the Undertaker, Kane,...
:Cheers:
Alostcause
09-20-06, 10:56 PM
Ba Da :bump:
Does anyone know what the Royal Rumble will be like in 2007? Will it be 15 from Raw and 15 from Smackdown, or 10 from ECW, 10 from Raw and 10 from Smackdown?
ekoistheman
09-21-06, 03:39 PM
Remember the original Four Horsemen? Arn and Ole Anderson, Rick Flair and Tully Blanchard? I remember he had some good matches against Magnum T. A. (Terry Allen) And Flair against the American Dream...ah, the old days.
Here's a question I'll pose to anyone who wants to think about it. I've thought for awhile that the WWE should bring back the Horsemen. If you could take the current WWE roster, Raw and Smackdown, who would make up the current group? Draw from ECW, too. Heck, open it up to TNA, if you want.
I won't post mine yet; this is a spur of the moment question, I'll have to think for awhile.
1. Ric Flair
2. chris Benoit
3. Bobby Lashley
4. Sheldon Benjamin
Does anyone know what the Royal Rumble will be like in 2007? Will it be 15 from Raw and 15 from Smackdown, or 10 from ECW, 10 from Raw and 10 from Smackdown?
I don't think they've said yet, only that ECW will be a part of it. Last I read, they had not decided on a format for it.
Sorry, I'm thinking of the Survivor Series. It has been reported that ECW will be part of that, but not how the match will work.
Alostcause
09-21-06, 10:38 PM
So, ECW will be in Survivor series?
MissRKO
09-21-06, 10:56 PM
Hey everyone. You could say I'm a pretty big wrestling fan. I've been pretty big into it the past couple years. I actually ordered all the OVW DVDs while they still sold them so I got to see guys like CM Punk, Aaron "The Idol" Stevens, Ariel, and Bobby Lashley before they got called up. My current favorites are Chris Sabin, Jeff Hardy, Lita and...Randy Orton. Although I'm sure you could already tell. I'm really excited for this upcoming year because I live in the Detroit area so I'll be attending BFG in a few weeks and Wrestlemania.
Back on topic...I don't know about how the Rumble will work this year, but I really like the idea of 10 Raw, 10 SD, and 10 ECW guys.
Alostcause
09-21-06, 10:58 PM
Hi MissRKO. I thought at some point this thread would catch your eye, considering your name and avatar
MissRKO
09-21-06, 11:00 PM
Yeah, I've just been a bit busy the past couple days. Does anyone watch that MSG Classic show that's on Wedensday nights? I catch it every once and a while.
Alostcause
09-21-06, 11:03 PM
I don't get the Sci-Fi Channel so I can't watch ECW. I can watch Smackdown!, RAW and TNA, but I'm not sure about MSG
MissRKO
09-21-06, 11:08 PM
Ahh, we have this sports package on my TV so I get MSG. the Classic show is actually pretty cool, there's a lot of stuff from the 80's on there.
I haven't really watched Smackdown in a couple weeks but I've been keeping up with it. It hasn't really caught my interest that much lately.
Alostcause
09-21-06, 11:18 PM
I think RAW is better than Smackdown
MissRKO
09-21-06, 11:56 PM
:yeah:
Alostcause
09-21-06, 11:57 PM
I knew I wasn't the only one
MissRKO
09-22-06, 12:10 AM
Where does TNA rank for you for those of you who watch it?
Alostcause
09-22-06, 12:12 AM
4th. TNA
3rd. Smackdown!
2nd. RAW
1st. Any Pay Per View
MissRKO
09-22-06, 12:30 AM
1st Raw
2nd TNA
3rd ECW
4th Smackdown
The PPVs vary for me. Some are really good but some I don't care for at all.
1. ECW
2. Raw
3. TNA
4. Smackdown
The placement of TNA and Smackdown is due largely to the timeslots; I can watch TNA after the kids are in bed, but tend to miss Smackdown since they are either still up or we are at the in-law's. I tend to not do the PPVs for financial reasons.
TNA's okay. I'm familiar with a lot of the names that are there, though the first time I saw that 6 sided ring it was a little odd. I've heard them talking about an extreme version of TNA, I'll be interested to see what that is like.
MissRKO
09-22-06, 04:08 PM
An extreme version of TNA would be pretty interesting, they def have the names to pull it off. I really like TNA because a lot of the guys are local to my scene so I've met quite a few of them and seen them at indy shows and stuff.
Jim Cornette read off a bunch of names of people who would be in the extreme version. I don't remember who all it was, though the Dudleys and Rhyo would be likely because of their association with ECW. It would be nice to see the Dudleys dragging out tables again!
The name that surprised me was Kevin Nash. He's rumored to not have a great work ethic, maybe not as willing to take the bumps, so I was surprised when Cornette read his name. I've also heard rumors recently that he and Scott Hall will get together again in the WWE to feud with DX. Apparently, after Unforgiven, the DX/McMahon saga might have reached a climax. I don't know what Nash's contract with TNA is like, and Scott Hall has had his problems in the past, so I don't know how likely this is to happen.
Alostcause
09-22-06, 08:50 PM
I don't remember who all it was, though the Dudleys and Rhyo would be likely because of their association with ECW. It would be nice to see the Dudleys dragging out tables again!
I agree
Warthawg1
09-22-06, 09:10 PM
The name that surprised me was Kevin Nash. He's rumored to not have a great work ethic
It's not a rumor.. it's pretty much fact. He's slower than paint drying, and that's at the start of a match before his lack of stamina kicks in.
Alostcause
09-22-06, 09:20 PM
I haven't actually seen Kevin Nash fight that often so I'll take your word for it
Warthawg1
09-22-06, 09:22 PM
Even the people who have watched all of his matches haven't seen him fight very often.
Alostcause
09-22-06, 09:24 PM
So, he doesn't fight very often?
Warthawg1
09-22-06, 09:31 PM
Not that much any more.. One match and he needs 6 weeks off to recover.
That being said.. even when he was more active.. people rarely saw him fight.
I don't know how to describe what it was he did, but fight doesn't immediately come to mind as the proper word. He just sort of lumbers around.. looks at the crowd...jumps out of the ring to take a rest break.. etc
Alostcause
09-22-06, 09:36 PM
You shouldn't just rip on Kevin Nash for that. I'm sure there are lots of other superstars like that
Warthawg1
09-22-06, 09:41 PM
There are.. but Nash made it an art form, and rarely has a wrestler risen so far with so little merit.
Alostcause
09-23-06, 01:16 AM
Yeah... I guess
Warthawg, I think "lumber" is a pretty fair word. You could almost equate it to watching Frankenstein's monster wrestling. Maybe that's harsh; I don't think I've seen him wrestle since the NwO broke up.
By the way, I'll go on record as saying that the NwO was one of the best storylines I've ever seen on wrestling. However, once it reached the point where the NwO had taken over, it seemed like they didn't know what to do with it anymore and it had a rather unsatisfactory ending.
JustDucky
09-23-06, 11:41 AM
Warthawg, I think "lumber" is a pretty fair word. You could almost equate it to watching Frankenstein's monster wrestling. Maybe that's harsh; I don't think I've seen him wrestle since the NwO broke up.
By the way, I'll go on record as saying that the NwO was one of the best storylines I've ever seen on wrestling. However, once it reached the point where the NwO had taken over, it seemed like they didn't know what to do with it anymore and it had a rather unsatisfactory ending.
I agree with you KD - I had been really into wrestling during the height of Hulkamania in the late 80s, then lost interest around when YokoZZZZZZZZZuna won the belt. When I heard Hogan was a heel - that by itself drew my attention and I really got into the NWO. However - when they started having 27 NWO factions - it got stale real quick.
Kevin Nash was good as a quiet intimidator (HBK's bodyguard) - never was much of a wrestler
MissRKO
09-23-06, 02:47 PM
Even the people who have watched all of his matches haven't seen him fight very often.
:rotfl:
Alostcause
09-23-06, 03:23 PM
:yeah:
Alostcause, maybe you should consider re-naming this the Pro Wrestling thread, since we seem to be incorporating more than just the WWE.
Just saw an article that Justin Credible may be brought back with "a good direction and a push". This is good news to me. The other gripe I have about ECW is that some of the guys who helped to build the ECW, Justin Credible and the FBI, most notably, are being used just to push guys like Kevin Thorne and C M Punk. Credible, in particular, was a long-standing Tag Team champion, and I thought he deserved better treatment than he had got since his return.
Mysterious Mike
09-23-06, 07:10 PM
I always wish they WWE would have got The Franchise Shane Douglas to come over but I guess he was one of the guys who said he would never work for Vince.
This might incite some people but talking about Kevin Nash made me think has anyone ever seen Hulk Hogan actually do a wrestling move other than a headlock. The guy just punches , slams and kicks but really has no technical wrestling skills at all. Don't get me wrong I like Hogan but if I have to see him point at someone and go " YOU " ever again I may puke. I definately prefered him as a heel , I thought it just suited him better as he got older.
Killer Kowalski - " The leg drop , my grandma could come up with a better finishing move than that "
I like how this discussion has gone beyond WWE. I must say my favorite shows are in this order:
1. Raw
2. Smackdown!
3. ECW
4. TNA
TNA isn't very good in my opinion. Any Smackdown! veiwers here care to put their opinion on MVP EVER getting hired? I also read that the Boogeyman was released, I was a little dissapointed with that.
I think Hogan's greatest legacy to wrestling will be his charisma. I think he drew a lot of people into wrestling that might not have otherwise paid it any attention. Personally, I think all of Hogan's matches ran the same way: Hogan's getting his you-know-what handed to it, then suddenly he sits up and his eyes get wide. His opponent's blows no longer have affect on him. Hogan gets to his feet, shaking his head, pointing at his opponent. Hogan then takes control of the match, dropping the leg and the match is over. Hogan spends five minutes standing in the ring, drinking in the accolades of the crowd, going to each side of the ring cupping his hand to his ear. At first it was cool, but it got tired. I liked Hogan, but I was honestly a bigger fan of Flair. He always straddled that line between heel and face, or staying close to one side.
I think Hogan's greatest legacy to wrestling will be his charisma. I think he drew a lot of people into wrestling that might not have otherwise paid it any attention. Personally, I think all of Hogan's matches ran the same way: Hogan's getting his you-know-what handed to it, then suddenly he sits up and his eyes get wide. His opponent's blows no longer have affect on him. Hogan gets to his feet, shaking his head, pointing at his opponent. Hogan then takes control of the match, dropping the leg and the match is over. Hogan spends five minutes standing in the ring, drinking in the accolades of the crowd, going to each side of the ring cupping his hand to his ear. At first it was cool, but it got tired. I liked Hogan, but I was honestly a bigger fan of Flair. He always straddled that line between heel and face, or staying close to one side.
That's the same as John Cena, well pretty much any match nowadays has the soon-to-be winner getting pumelled (sp?) Then he gets some momentum and the match is his from there. Especially prominent with Rey Mysterio as well.
Alostcause
09-23-06, 09:00 PM
Alostcause, maybe you should consider re-naming this the Pro Wrestling thread, since we seem to be incorporating more than just the WWE.
I'm not sure how
Neither am I, but I remember reading how somewhere.
Double click on the title. :D
Mysterious Mike
09-23-06, 10:29 PM
I also read that the Boogeyman was released, I was a little dissapointed with that.
This may have been the single dumbest character in wrestling history.
I think they were going for a Poppa Shango vibe with this character but it failed miserably.
TNA is pretty much unwatchable for me. Jeff Jarret is a terrible wrestler and that front trip move he does is totally fake as hell , I even hated him in WCW.
Noav Sigless
09-23-06, 10:34 PM
I changed the name of the thread.
This may have been the single dumbest character in wrestling history.
I think they were going for a Poppa Shango vibe with this character but it failed miserably.
TNA is pretty much unwatchable for me. Jeff Jarret is a terrible wrestler and that front trip move he does is totally fake as hell , I even hated him in WCW.
What is "Poppa Shango" ?
a wrestler for wwf back in the early 90s...kinda like the undertaker but more a witch doctor feel...never was a headliner i think
Mysterious Mike
09-23-06, 10:46 PM
http://www.thewrestlingfanatic.com/images/magazines/wwf_wwe/wwf_wwe_mags/wwf_sep_1992.jpg
I didn't mind Poppa Shango but the Boogyman was stuiped. Shango would make blood come out of peoples heads with curses.
Ah, thanks! No, the boogeyman was just some guy who people were scared of who ate worms...but he could have been somebody.....
http://www.thewrestlingfanatic.com/images/magazines/wwf_wwe/wwf_wwe_mags/wwf_sep_1992.jpg
I didn't mind Poppa Shango but the Boogyman was stuiped. Shango would make blood come out of peoples heads with curses.
It makes me think of Baron Sambini, I think the name was, from Live and Let Die. He did a 7 Up commercial. Crisp and clean, no caffeine.
Another character I thought was a real disappointment was the Red Rooster. It was Terry Taylor, who I don't remember being a headliner, but he was certainly well known, and there was some anticpation for his arrival in the WWE. When he got there, he had a mohawk, died red at the tips, and he was called The Red Rooster. I was embarrassed for him.
Mysterious Mike
09-23-06, 11:41 PM
http://www.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesR/redrooster.jpg
http://www.zone-sf.com/images/bsamedi1.jpg
So in your opinion who is the most "electrofying" wrestler?
I'd have to say The Rock, but Batista is right up there with him!
hogan and the rock were pretty close...
when goldberg had his streak going he had the crowd going to
Mysterious Mike
09-24-06, 12:07 AM
I don't think there will ever be anyone who can work the crowd better than Hulk Hogan in his heyday but for Mic skills I would give that to Ric Flair
I hated Goldberg , it was great when Scott Hall hit him with the cattleprod though.
How about this one?
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/kd8ch/Doink_the_clown.jpg
Doink the Clown
i cant stand flair....i hate the strut....its soooo stupid...and now his manboobs bounce when he does it...so i jsut cringe and trun the channel
DOINK ... HAHA i used to be him in the snes raw game...ah man doink was the best
I know, the stranger thing is he's been wrestling for 20 years + but he has had grey hair the whole time!!
Alostcause
09-24-06, 12:41 AM
I changed the name of the thread.
Thank you
Alostcause
09-24-06, 12:43 AM
It makes me think of Baron Sambini, I think the name was, from Live and Let Die. He did a 7 Up commercial. Crisp and clean, no caffeine.
It was Baron Samedi. I can't believe I know that since I've never seen an entire Bond movie
And I've probably seen that movie a half dozen times, at least. Sean Connery was the better Bond, but that's for a different thread.
Mick Foley has better than average mic skills, too. Back in their day, the Rock and Stone Cold were both good, too.
Alostcause
09-24-06, 01:11 AM
I've seen some of Stone Cold in some of his small appearances in the past year or so, I agree, his mic skills are good
ALC, I made some polls in the "Polls" board, you may just want to take a look ;)
Alostcause
09-24-06, 01:18 AM
Sweet, I'll go look
ETA: You shoulda put 'Taker and Kane in the same poll, It was no contest in either for me
Alostcause
09-24-06, 01:49 AM
I found a list that shows a bunch of WWE superstars real names. I can show it if you want
JustDucky
09-24-06, 02:18 AM
Fyi - if this was I mentioned, I apologize
Papa Shango = The Godfather.
He couldn't wrestle a lick, but he was entertaining as The Godfather
Alostcause
09-24-06, 02:50 AM
Please do!
As promised
Here (http://www.steveswrestling.com/info/wwerealnames.html)
You will be suprised
Alostcause
09-24-06, 02:56 AM
No problem
Suprised yet?
A few shockers in there....surprised Triple H's first name isn't Hunter, Shawn Michaels is actually Michael Hickenbottom...
Alostcause
09-24-06, 02:58 AM
Kane's was a real shocker to me. I wasn't expecting that. So was Lita's
Well you weren't really expecting his name to be "Kane" were you?
JustDucky
09-24-06, 03:05 AM
Well you weren't really expecting his name to be "Kane" were you?
I thought it was Kane Schwartz:)
Alostcause
09-24-06, 03:07 AM
Well you weren't really expecting his name to be "Kane" were you?
No, but I did expect to be something cooler and I didn't expect his last and my first name to be the same
and BTW: I do know some people named 'Kane'
MissRKO
09-24-06, 03:10 AM
Has anyone read/seen that coffee table book, WWE Unscripted, I believe it's called? It's def a good read, I have it sitting up here in my room. I suppose it's a bit outdated now but I still love it.
Alostcause
09-24-06, 03:11 AM
When was it made?
CENSORED
09-24-06, 12:18 PM
As promised
Here (http://www.steveswrestling.com/info/wwerealnames.html)
You will be suprised
That's not his real name?!:eye-poppi The Big Show!?.....and to think I thought he had parents that had a sense of humor.
MissRKO
09-24-06, 02:46 PM
When was it made?
2003
http://www.amazon.com/Unscripted-WWE-S-Ken-Leiker/dp/0743477618/ref=sr_11_1/002-5951121-8476058?ie=UTF8
I used to watch it, have a ton of tapes and DVDs but since The Rock left I've haven't kept up. I'll have to check it out to see what's happening I'm so far behind.
Noav Sigless
09-24-06, 09:45 PM
That site left off one of my favorite real names. Bad Ass Billy Gunn, now known as Kip James in TNA, but his real name is Monty Sapp.
Good thing he changed it. That name would strike fear into anyone
Alostcause
09-24-06, 09:54 PM
Remember, I didn't say ALL of the superstars
MissRKO
09-25-06, 12:26 AM
So I don't know if anyone's heard yet but there's going to be an 8 Women Tournament for the now vacant title. Anyone have a favorite?
Alostcause
09-25-06, 01:01 AM
I don't pay much attention to Divas but now that Trish is gone, I guess Candice
Noav Sigless
09-25-06, 01:14 AM
Mickie James. I likes 'em a little crazy.
MissRKO
09-25-06, 01:38 AM
I'll go with either Lita or Beth Phoenix. They are both amazing.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 01:45 AM
Lita is probably second in my rankings
MissRKO
09-25-06, 01:48 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Victoria win either, but wasn't she injured?
Alostcause
09-25-06, 01:50 AM
I don't know, I told you, I don't pay much attention to the divas
MissRKO
09-25-06, 01:56 AM
Why not?
MRS. CENSORED
09-25-06, 01:14 PM
Hahaha, Doink! My husband and I went to school with his neice and nephews.
And my husband (CENSORED) has met Cena, he says he is a really nice guy. He was managing an Olympia Sports store in NH, not too far from West Newbury, where Cena is from. He came in, posed for pics and signed autographs. Just down to earth in his $20 Champion hoody, no bling.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 02:08 PM
Participate in the Worst Wrestling gimmick ever poll over in poll land.
Fun for all ages. Being a wrestling fan is not required.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 04:02 PM
I'll go there
JustDucky
09-25-06, 04:39 PM
Kurt Angle has joined TNA and they are supposed to be getting a prime time spot on Spike.
They will need more than Angle to be a serious competitor to WWE - but it is a big acquisition
Alostcause
09-25-06, 07:28 PM
When did Angle do that?
And it's on thursdays at 9:00 starting November 16th
JustDucky
09-25-06, 08:15 PM
When did Angle do that?
And it's on thursdays at 9:00 starting November 16th
It was announced at their PPV last night - It's True, It's True!
Alostcause
09-25-06, 08:43 PM
Oh, I didn't see it
SpidermanHouston
09-25-06, 09:16 PM
Why was Kurt Angle fired from the WWE?
Alostcause
09-25-06, 09:18 PM
Was he fired?
SpidermanHouston
09-25-06, 09:23 PM
Was he fired?
I don't keep up with it that much but I was watching raw one day, and Jim Ross said that Angle was let go from the company. It sounded unexpected but like I said I only watch it occasionally. To me that translates to being fired.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 09:28 PM
Ah, ok
SpidermanHouston
09-25-06, 09:30 PM
Ok, I just read this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Angle
On August 25, 2006, Angle was granted an early release from his WWE contract due to "personal issues." Some websites postulate that he was really fired because he refused to take a break to heal his constantly-injured body.
[edit]
Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
At the end of the TNA No Surrender 2006 pay-per-view, a video package aired featuring Kurt Angle, with his signing being the big surprise that TNA management had promised for the show.
On September 24, 2006; Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) announced that they had signed Kurt Angle to a contract after Head of TNA Management Jim Cornette showed video footage of Angle training in a TNA Ring[5]. Both TNAwrestling.com and KurtAngleWWE.com showed a graphic of Angle sporting an "iMPACT!" mouthguard with the text saying "our ring has six sides, but only one Angle".
Angle's move to TNA has sparked mild controversy across the professional wrestling/sports entertainment world. Angle and the WWE's decision to part company may have been mutual, but it was certainly not what the WWE ideally wanted. Angle seemingly left the WWE on good terms and had cited his reason for leaving as being due to physical and mental exhausation. It was widely hoped, and expected, that Angle would return to the WWE perhaps as early as summer 2007. Angle has reportedly stated that he would never want to work against Vince McMahon (Chairman and owner of the WWE). A move to one of WWE's competitors so soon after leaving the WWE may, at best, be viewed as hypocritical, however, the deal may have been signed after all this was said, as TNA has a much lighter work schedule than WWE, and may have just given Angle a chance to continue wrestling with long breaks in between.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 09:38 PM
Ok then
Just found a site somewhere, it is not financed by the wwe, nor does it have any sign that it is legit. But I read it with the intent of believing what I read because often stuff they say is true. Anyways the jist of one of the articles was that Eddie Guerrero never died, in fact it was an interesting way to release him and later build up some very "personal" rivalries. I mean, it sort of makes since, like why would Rey and Chavo be able to continue wrestling after one of their best friends died, with absolutely no time off to grieve? Then Vickie Guerrero coming in for a job in the WWE seems a little selfish don't you think? Trust this article or not, it's an interesting theory..
P.S. Angle is one of the greatest wrestler ever, TNA just got a whole hell of a lot better!
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:05 PM
Just found a site somewhere, it is not financed by the wwe, nor does it have any sign that it is legit. But I read it with the intent of believing what I read because often stuff they say is true. Anyways the jist of one of the articles was that Eddie Guerrero never died, in fact it was an interesting way to release him and later build up some very "personal" rivalries. I mean, it sort of makes since, like why would Rey and Chavo be able to continue wrestling after one of their best friends died, with absolutely no time off to grieve? Then Vickie Guerrero coming in for a job in the WWE seems a little selfish don't you think? Trust this article or not, it's an interesting theory..
P.S. Angle is one of the greatest wrestler ever, TNA just got a whole hell of a lot better!
I really can't believe that....but I fully agree with the Angle comment.
Umm....TNA? Is that on PBS now?
I really can't believe that....but I fully agree with the Angle comment.
Umm....TNA? Is that on PBS now?
TNA, it's on Spike for me.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:08 PM
TNA, it's on Spike for me.
Yeah, I know. I was joking.....sorry.
Yeah, I know. I was joking.....sorry.
I knew you were jokking about the PBS part, wasn't sure if you knew if it was on Spike though.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:11 PM
Yeah, I know. But (for real here) what day is it on?
Um, Thursdays I believe, and Saturday, same episode though, Saturday is a repeat.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:14 PM
Sweet. Thanks....I guess it's worth watching now
Sweet. Thanks....I guess it's worth watching now
Give it a shot, you either like it or you don't.
So, do you watch the WWE? Smackdown! and Raw??
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:22 PM
I watch Raw more often than Smackdown, yet casualy. If it's a good match, I'm all over it. If not, I'm all over MNF.
MNF? But yeah I agree, after they announce who's wrestling I'll either watch it or not...although I always try to make sure I'm free for the main events...they can be pretty entertaining to watch! I definately prefer Raw right now, killer rivalries!! Dx vs. McMahons, Cena vs. Edge, Kane vs. Umaga...I'm pumped for tonight
Alostcause
09-25-06, 10:32 PM
Just found a site somewhere, it is not financed by the wwe, nor does it have any sign that it is legit. But I read it with the intent of believing what I read because often stuff they say is true. Anyways the jist of one of the articles was that Eddie Guerrero never died, in fact it was an interesting way to release him and later build up some very "personal" rivalries. I mean, it sort of makes since, like why would Rey and Chavo be able to continue wrestling after one of their best friends died, with absolutely no time off to grieve? Then Vickie Guerrero coming in for a job in the WWE seems a little selfish don't you think? Trust this article or not, it's an interesting theory..
What's the site?
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:35 PM
Being that I know it's all set pre-determined, I don't care who will win. I just want to see some cool acting or stupid things done to hurt a wrestler (think Johnny Knoxville and the Jackass boys). I love the whole Mickie James is a nut act, and anything that involves someone getting thrown off a high place into a "mysterious" pile of wires left in the middle of the stage area. (And though it's all pre-determined, until anyone does these things themselves, they have no right to say it all "fake". Guys do get hurt. Ask Mick or Droz)
What's the site?
I won't post it for reasons that it is not necessarily a legitament site. Otherwise I post the link, but if it's not neccesarily true then I do not feel that it is the right thing to post the link.
"Why is he here?Former RAW General Manager Eric Bischoff has been spotted at Ford Center - the site of tonight's RAW. What's he doing there? Continue... "
From WWE.com! I wonder if anything will happen?!?!
MissRKO
09-25-06, 10:40 PM
I bet you Bischoff is just there to try and sell his new biography.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 10:40 PM
Anyways the jist of one of the articles was that Eddie Guerrero never died, in fact it was an interesting way to release him and later build up some very "personal" rivalries. I mean, it sort of makes since, like why would Rey and Chavo be able to continue wrestling after one of their best friends died, with absolutely no time off to grieve? Then Vickie Guerrero coming in for a job in the WWE seems a little selfish don't you think? Trust this article or not, it's an interesting theory..
Eddie's death was not a work as it was and is public knowledge. Plus it's not that weird that little time was taken off to grieve. Pro wrestling has it's origins in the old carny way of life, and it's a well known fact that the number one motto there is "the show must go on". Instead of taking time off to grieve, most wrestlers faced with the death of a brother (a brother within the tight knit community of wrestlers) will grieve by going out there and trying to put on the match of their career. When Owen Hart was killed in the ring, the show went on that very night in that very ring.. the show always goes on. Many people don't really understand that, but it's not hard if you understand the concepts and origins of pro wrestling.
Being that I know it's all set pre-determined, I don't care who will win. I just want to see some cool acting or stupid things done to hurt a wrestler (think Johnny Knoxville and the Jackass boys). I love the whole Mickie James is a nut act, and anything that involves someone getting thrown off a high place into a "mysterious" pile of wires left in the middle of the stage area. (And though it's all pre-determined, until anyone does these things themselves, they have no right to say it all "fake". Guys do get hurt. Ask Mick or Droz)
Of course guys get hurt, when they jump off a ladder or fall off hell in a cell there are absolutely no guarantees. These guys truly put their lives on the line.
Eddie's death was not a work as it was and is public knowledge. Plus it's not that weird that little time was taken off to grieve. Pro wrestling has it's origins in the old carny way of life, and it's a well known fact that the number one motto there is "the show must go on". Instead of taking time off to grieve, most wrestlers faced with the death of a brother (a brother within the tight knit community of wrestlers) will grieve by going out there and trying to put on the match of their career. When Owen Hart was killed in the ring, the show went on that very night in that very ring.. the show always goes on. Many people don't really understand that, but it's not hard if you understand the concepts and origins of pro wrestling.
You know when Owen Hart died I wasn't watching wrestling at that time, do you think you could fill me in on what happened?
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:43 PM
Yeah, it's one thing to fake a guys death via "Buried alive" matches or "Casket" matches, yet (as much of a scum I think he is) I can't see Vince allowing a fake death like this. If it was fake, we'd already have "Eddie sightings". And we wouldn't of had a memorial Raw episode. (Unfortunatley, they have played off his death with that stupid story line on Smackdown)
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 10:44 PM
He was doing his Blue Blazer gimmick at a PPV and was supposed to arive in ring from the roof via a cable and harness. The harness was not rigged properly and he fell to his death, snapping his neck when he hit the top rope (steel cable surrounded by rubber) on his way down.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 10:48 PM
I just looked it up on Wikipedia. He fell 75 feet from the rafters
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:49 PM
Yeah, it was so quick and weird that the crowd thought it was an act. They thought a dummy was thrown down. But then Lawler ran into the ring, fell next to Owen, and started bawling......
I don't think I've ever heard so much silence from a large crowd until the night of September 11th.
Yeah, it's one thing to fake a guys death via "Buried alive" matches or "Casket" matches, yet (as much of a scum I think he is) I can't see Vince allowing a fake death like this. If it was fake, we'd already have "Eddie sightings". And we wouldn't of had a memorial Raw episode. (Unfortunatley, they have played off his death with that stupid story line on Smackdown)
I hear you, it is definately not something I would think Vince would do.
He was doing his Blue Blazer gimmick at a PPV and was supposed to arive in ring from the roof via a cable and harness. The harness was not rigged properly and he fell to his death, snapping his neck when he hit the top rope (steel cable surrounded by rubber) on his way down.
Found the video, it appears as the gimmick was him getting pushed off:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5236444557765936192&q=owen+hart
Alostcause
09-25-06, 10:51 PM
Yeah, it's one thing to fake a guys death via "Buried alive" matches or "Casket" matches, yet (as much of a scum I think he is) I can't see Vince allowing a fake death like this. If it was fake, we'd already have "Eddie sightings". And we wouldn't of had a memorial Raw episode. (Unfortunatley, they have played off his death with that stupid story line on Smackdown)
They did this for when the Undertaker supposedly died on Smackkdown when Randy Orton burned the casket he was in. They did memorial promos to honour 'Taker. But he wasn't dead
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 10:55 PM
It was extremely sad because outside of death just being sad.. Everyone loved Owen Hart. He was a great family man and known as a hilarious prankster that no one ever had a problem with... In a spectacle with the kind of egos present that are present in wrestling, he was a humble, kind, loving man. No one ever had a bad word to say about the guy, and that's rare in wrestling.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 10:56 PM
I just heard from my brother that someone else died in a match. Any truth to this? It was a hell in a cell
SpidermanHouston
09-25-06, 10:57 PM
He was doing his Blue Blazer gimmick at a PPV and was supposed to arive in ring from the roof via a cable and harness. The harness was not rigged properly and he fell to his death, snapping his neck when he hit the top rope (steel cable surrounded by rubber) on his way down.
I saw that ppv. They were running a Blue Blazer promo when it happened so it wasn't shown live. After the promo, Ross and Lawler come on and tell the audience about it and letting everyone know that it's not part of the show and it's not a storyline.
Mysterious Mike
09-25-06, 10:58 PM
I was watching the PPV the night Owen Hart died and a whole room of people just sat there stunned.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 10:58 PM
Found the video, it appears as the gimmick was him getting pushed off:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5236444557765936192&q=owen+hart
Wait...that wasn't it. It happened during a commercial break.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 11:00 PM
They did this for when the Undertaker supposedly died on Smackkdown when Randy Orton burned the casket he was in. They did memorial promos to honour 'Taker. But he wasn't dead
Yeah, but it was completely different. They did it with Taker in a way that every fan knew it wasn't real....Vince knows that the fans aren't dumb.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 11:02 PM
...Anyway, I just read that Triple H stated 'The Game' nickname was originaly intended for Owen Hart
CENSORED
09-25-06, 11:03 PM
...Anyway, I just read that Triple H stated 'The Game' nickname was originaly intended for Owen Hart
Yeah, but they went with "Black Hart" instead......didn't work too well.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:04 PM
There have been many wrestlers seriously injured in the ring (proving once again it's completely fake and not really a demonstration of physically demanding and dangerous stunts), and I've even heard of a couple of deaths in minor regional wrestling matches...but I don't think anyone has ever died in a WWE Hell in the Cell match.
Noav Sigless
09-25-06, 11:05 PM
I just heard from my brother that someone else died in a match. Any truth to this? It was a hell in a cell
No one has died in a Hell in the cell match.
There have been many wrestlers seriously injured in the ring (proving once again it's completely fake and not really a demonstration of physically demanding and dangerous stunts), and I've even heard of a couple of deaths in minor regional wrestling matches...but I don't think anyone has ever died in a WWE Hell in the Cell match.
How do people getting injured prove that it's fake?!?!
Alostcause
09-25-06, 11:09 PM
Because if it was real, there would be a lot more injuries
Because if it was real, there would be a lot more injuries
If it was real they would also be bruised up. Never see them even FAKE bruises, that's something they need to start doing. I mean putting a bandaid on is one thing, but bruises would be cool.
SpidermanHouston
09-25-06, 11:13 PM
I went to every Raw, Smackdown, ppv, and house show that came to Houston from 99-2002. Wrestlemania in 2001 at the Astrodome. One of the last major events held at the dome. And they had Smackdown two days after 9-11-01. The first major public gathering after 9-11. It was originally supposed to be taped on 9-11 but broadcast on Thursday. I was actually asleep and on vacation when all the 9-11 occurrences happened and the ticket agent calls me and tells me that the Smackdown show has been postponed until Thursday. I asked him "why?" and he just tells me that I better turn on the TV.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 11:13 PM
Oh no, here we go. When a wrestler is asked if it's fake (and no, Chyna doesn't count) they'll state it's pre-determined...not fake. They do all they can to help one another not get hurt, yet they do. If a stunt double gets hurt, it doesn't mean what they did was fake. Yet the stunt they were trying to create was pre-determined....I'm talking just the action, not the fighting.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:13 PM
How do people getting injured prove that it's fake?!?!
Insert sarcasm emoticon. Sorry cricer.. I just happen to have known several pro wrestlers and am very familiar with the biz. I take exception to people flippantly dismissing it as totally fake without understanding the difference between planned match endings, and cinema magic. It's a very demanding demonstration these people put on, and to dismiss it as totally fake bothers me. I mean it is fake in that the match endings are pre-planned, but wrestlers actually do often take a lot of physical abuse in the ring.
(Hint.. don't EVER ask Ric Flair to demonstrate his chop to the chest on you... it hurts like a mofo)
Mysterious Mike
09-25-06, 11:15 PM
Since it sounds as if there are some Undertaker fans in here does anyone remember him as Mean Mark Callus , his first character.
One of the dumbest things I have ever seen on wrestling is the O. J. Simpson chase footage they used for when Piper was after Golddust , pretty funny but really stupid.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 11:16 PM
(Hint.. don't EVER ask Ric Flair to demonstrate his chop to the chest on you... it hurts like a mofo)
His son is half the wrestler his dad was at Ric's worst period of his career, and yet he can implode your chest cavity!
Alostcause
09-25-06, 11:16 PM
(Hint.. don't EVER ask Ric Flair to demonstrate his chop to the chest on you... it hurts like a mofo)
Ok. If I ever meet Ric Flair but I think I'll ask Triple H to demonstate his Pedigree on me :rolleyez:
Insert sarcasm emoticon. Sorry cricer.. I just happen to have known several pro wrestlers and am very familiar with the biz. I take exception to people flippantly dismissing it as totally fake without understanding the difference between planned match endings, and cinema magic. It's a very demanding demonstration these people put on, and to dismiss it as totally fake bothers me. I mean it is fake in that the match endings are pre-planned, but wrestlers actually do often take a lot of physical abuse in the ring.
(Hint.. don't EVER ask Ric Flair to demonstrate his chop to the chest on you... it hurts like a mofo)
Okay, sorry I wasn't sure, I hate how you cannot tell sarcasm without hearing their tone. And of course it is physically demanding, Batista WAS out for a while with an arm injury, and many superstars sit out for a few weeks to heal. And believe it or not I have met Flair, but never thought to ask for one of his chops :p
Ok. If I ever meet Ric Flair but I think I'll ask Triple H to demonstate his Pedigree on me :rolleyez:
Pedigree don't hurt, his knees hit the ground before your head, so it absorbs all the shock, same with the Tombstone.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:18 PM
It's funny actually because many of the moves that look the most dangerous takes skill to pull off but really doesn't hurt very much, and many of the moves that look relatively harmless are the ones that leave a mark.
CENSORED
09-25-06, 11:20 PM
Pedigree don't hurt, his knees hit the ground before your head, so it absorbs all the shock, same with the Tombstone.
Didn't Mick Foley state he felt it hurt the most out of all "finishing moves"?
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:21 PM
Okay, sorry I wasn't sure, I hate how you cannot tell sarcasm without hearing their tone. And of course it is physically demanding, Batista WAS out for a while with an arm injury, and many superstars sit out for a few weeks to heal. And believe it or not I have met Flair, but never thought to ask for one of his chops :p
If you ask him to... he'll do it. Plus I think he only did it to me at sissy speed. I had a big red hand mark on my chest for about 2 weeks.
If you ask him to... he'll do it. Plus I think he only did it to me at sissy speed. I had a big red hand mark on my chest for about 2 weeks.
Then how come you cannot see a similar affect on all of them? By the end of the match they seem fine.
By the way, I HATE Big Show's "big slap" so fake!!
Didn't Mick Foley state he felt it hurt the most out of all "finishing moves"?
Not sure, but if you look closely you can clearly see his legs hit the ground first. I've also read somewhere that the three most painful moves (in no particular order) were:
1. Austin's Stunner
2. Sweet Chin Music
3. Powerbomb
Back in college, I was talking wrestling with a guy who said that he and his buddys did backyard wrestling. He said he gave someone a DDT. Messed 'em up real bad.
I didn't know what to say.
Hey Warthawg, I have a question. Back in the early days of the Road Warriors, when they were in the NWA and Precious Paul Ellering was their manager, the Precious one had another wrestler in his stable, if only for awhile. He wrestled all in white but I don't remember his name. At any rate, he used to do the walk along the ringropes thing that the Undertaker does. He was a tall guy, you never saw his face, and shortly after he disappeared, Mean Mark made his appearance. I've often wondered if this was the beginnings of the 'Takers career. Do you know?
CENSORED
09-25-06, 11:28 PM
I think Mick said it in his first autobiography though.....I may be wrong though. It was about 6 or 7 years ago that I read it.
Mysterious Mike
09-25-06, 11:29 PM
Since it sounds as if there are some Undertaker fans in here does anyone remember him as Mean Mark Callus , his first character.
One of the dumbest things I have ever seen on wrestling is the O. J. Simpson chase footage they used for when Piper was after Golddust , pretty funny but really stupid.
I can't believe I am quoting myself but I believe Callus was the first character for the man we know as Undertaker. Warty may know for sure.
Well a "properly" executed piledriver is perfectly safe, although in 2003 it was banned in the WCW.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:35 PM
Then how come you cannot see a similar affect on all of them? By the end of the match they seem fine.
By the way, I HATE Big Show's "big slap" so fake!!
Well... I don't know what to say other than seeing many matches in person over the years, I've seen plenty of times when they left the ring limping, bleeding, with broken bones, and/or swelling up. Chain fence match from the 70's between Mr. Wrestling 1 and 2 vs The Andersons. Mr Wrestling#2 leaves the ring with flesh hanging off the side of his head. I knew then there was more to it than "it's completely fake). I was at ringside watching his face being scrubbed along a real metal chain fence.
One thing is they do try and protect one another from getting hurt and they dont make full on contact..(except for Rics chops and anyone getting out of the ring with him usually has a beet red chest). The other thing I suppose is they get a bit conditioned to it. I myself don't bruise very easily at all, and if I do it doesn't show up immediately nor does it last very long.
Another thing is wrestling on TV vs Pay matches like PPV's. On TV.. they tend to take it easier than they do on PPV's. There is a huge difference between the two different venues and often after a PPV, the losing and sometimes the winning wrestler don't show back up on TV the next day.
Warthawg1
09-25-06, 11:38 PM
"Mean" Mark Callous was the name he used while in the old NWA (later known as WCW)
He had used several names before that while in the Indies
Mysterious Mike
09-25-06, 11:42 PM
Anyone seen the previews for the John Cena movie coming out called Marine. I will not spend money to see it but would probably watch it if it comes to HBO.
Alostcause
09-25-06, 11:59 PM
Anyone seen the previews for the John Cena movie coming out called Marine. I will not spend money to see it but would probably watch it if it comes to HBO.
Yes, it looks awful
Pedigree don't hurt, his knees hit the ground before your head, so it absorbs all the shock, same with the Tombstone.
I've been hit with a real Pedigree (Meaning my head hits first) by some people and one time, I almost got my neck broke
Noav Sigless
09-26-06, 12:07 AM
The Figure 4 Leg Lock also hurts quite a bit.
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:11 AM
Been hit with that too (none of these moves by actual superstats but other people who know these moves well)
Mean Marc Callous, before he was the Undertaker:
http://www.wrestlingworld.it/Historical/Tagteamgallery/skyscrapersdavidspiveymeanmarkcallous.jpg
I've been hit by a stunner, a bunch of submission moves, I even got out of the masterpiece :D
The thing with the Figure 4 Lock is it stretches two different muscles at the same time, very painful.
ALC- That type of Pedigree is the "wrong way" which I have also been hit with, doesn't hurt that much. It's basically just dropping to the ground and land on your face.
I have also been hit with a properly executed Pedigree. Scary as hell seeing the ground coming towards you and you stop just inches away from hitting it!
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:24 AM
The top of my head hit the ground so my neck was kinda scrunched which is what made it hurt so much. I used to do some wrestling with my brother and friends in our spare time, but what we did was 110% real and it was very painful
Growing up we used to wrestle on trampolines and pull every move possible. That was great fun!
Noav Sigless
09-26-06, 12:27 AM
Great googly moogly, Kurt Angle just signed with TNA.
This could get interesting.
Haha, I never watched wrestling as a child, now I am too old to be doing that sort of thing! I HAVE been hit by a rockbottom, by the Rock. It was PRETTY damn insane! It hurt, but not too much, I could take the pain, but it was definately enough to look painful. Definately the perfect move! I kicked out at 2 and a half :p
Great googly moogly, Kurt Angle just signed with TNA.
This could get interesting.
Already been discussed, a few pages back.
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:29 AM
Growing up we used to wrestle on trampolines and pull every move possible. That was great fun!
We didn't use trampolines (primarily because we don't have one). We used a crappy futon and we weren't floating in mid-air so it used a lot more strength and pain
Noav Sigless
09-26-06, 12:35 AM
Already been discussed, a few pages back.
Sorry about that. I try to keep up with thread but it moves pretty fast.
Sorry about that. I try to keep up with thread but it moves pretty fast.
No problem, yes it is moving quite quickly
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:36 AM
That's only tonight. It seems to move at a slow pace every other time
True, even now it has begun to slow down quite a bit. Raw starts in 1 hour and 10 minutes now! :blinkie:
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:49 AM
Yeah. Why is Bishoff over at the RAW set?
Not a clue, hopefully John Cena gives him an FU though!
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:51 AM
That would be cool. But I'll bet D-Generation X will be roped into this somehow. Or mabye he's here to try to overthrow The Coach as GM
ETA: *part-time* GM
Yeah, I look forward to the Gauntlet Match! I wonder what three tag teams he wil chose? Hopefully they aren't all crappy, and hopefully one is the McMahons!
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:54 AM
That would be a good twist
By the way, what do you think would be the BEST and most surprising thing that could happen on the WWE?
I think it would be Randy Orton bragging about being the legend killer of all legends blah blah blah, then the familiar sound of, "IF YA' SMEEEEELLLLLL!" comes on, that would literally send tingles down my spine!
Alostcause
09-26-06, 12:57 AM
And then Randy Orton gets Rock-Bottomed and the People's Elbow'ed and pinned in a match with the Rock in less than a minute
And I can't even imagine an unexpected twist
And then Randy Orton gets Rock-Bottomed and the People's Elbow'ed and pinned in a match with the Rock
Yeah, I think that would be a neat rivalry! So, just out of curiousity I was wondering if I could ask how old you were?
CENSORED
09-26-06, 01:06 AM
Ummm...not to blow anything, but, the power is out on Raw. It looks like a cheap house show.
CENSORED
09-26-06, 01:07 AM
The only things on are the spotlights
CENSORED
09-26-06, 01:15 AM
OK...lights are back on.
HAHA! Cena is trashing Lita.....poor Lita...HAHA!
Alostcause
09-26-06, 01:50 AM
Yeah, I think that would be a neat rivalry! So, just out of curiousity I was wondering if I could ask how old you were?
Believe it or not, I'm 14
Alostcause
09-26-06, 02:00 AM
RAW starts right NOW!
Alostcause
09-26-06, 02:02 AM
CENSORED, do you get RAW on early?
Was there a roster shakedown or something? I'm seeing a lot of people on RAW tonight that I'm not used to seeing, like Shelton Benjamin, Chris Masters, and Super Crazy. I thought they were all Smackdown...or is it just because I rarely get to turn RAW on before 10:30?
JustDucky
09-26-06, 03:33 AM
I created a poll for the better known theme songs. There are dozens more to choose from - so feel free to start another for all the ones I did not include.
MissRKO
09-26-06, 01:14 PM
Was there a roster shakedown or something? I'm seeing a lot of people on RAW tonight that I'm not used to seeing, like Shelton Benjamin, Chris Masters, and Super Crazy. I thought they were all Smackdown...or is it just because I rarely get to turn RAW on before 10:30?
Super Crazy just came over to Raw a couple weeks ago. Shelton and Masters have been on Raw for a while now, at least since they had the last draft.
Is there anyone that you think should change shows? I would personally like to see Jillian on Raw.
CENSORED
09-26-06, 01:28 PM
CENSORED, do you get RAW on early?
No, I'm on the eastern time zone. I see it first......HAHA...sorry
Tonight on ECW:
Sandman vs. Show
Rob van Dam vs. Hardcore Holly (extreme rules)
Alostcause
09-26-06, 08:32 PM
I'm watching a RAW rerun now 'cause I didn't see all of it last night
Noav Sigless
09-26-06, 09:11 PM
Let's refrain from any more wrestling polls for a while. I don't want anyone to delete any polls that they have already made. I just don't want to see the first page in polls being dominated by wrestling.
I'm paranoid. I'm afraid there may be backlash from people thinking the wrestling fans are taking over the board. No one has said anything yet. I just don't want to give them the opportunity.
I am a wrestling fan, I do enjoy this thread and I have enjoyed the polls that have been made so far. Let's just keep contained in here for while.
I hope I haven't offended anyone or opened a big can of worms. Please, just humor the paranoid mod.
Alostcause
09-26-06, 09:13 PM
Fine
Alostcause
09-26-06, 11:31 PM
Ha! I'm watching Jeopardy and one of the contestant's name is Brett Hart
(Note the 2 't's. so, not the wrestler but it's funny)
Noav Sigless
09-27-06, 02:30 AM
I may be biased because I'm from Alabama but, Hardcore Holly is so awesome. He's wrestling with a huge gash across his back. This is almost as cool as when he wrestled Kurt angle after breaking his arm.
I was impressed. I was never a big Holly fan, but that was a nasty cut, and he kept on wrestling. He kicked out once when he could have just let it end. He earned my respect.
In one match, I saw more extreme from Hardcore Holly than I've seen from Mike Knox or Test since they've been on ECW.
For those who missed it, Hardcore Holly suplexed Rob van Dan over the top rope and onto a table sitting on the floor below. Holly ended up with a cut about a foot long and deep, but he kept on going. RVD later slammed him on a folding chair, opening it back up. Lotsa blood.
Alostcause
09-27-06, 08:34 PM
How did Holly get the cut?
Noav Sigless
09-27-06, 08:43 PM
He suplexed RVD through a table and he went through the table as well. Some part of the broken table cut his back open. It was nasty.
Warthawg1
09-27-06, 08:46 PM
He got his cut "the hard way" proving once again that everything you see in pro wrestling is completely fake. <insert sarcasm emoticon>
Alostcause
09-27-06, 08:53 PM
Oh. Ok
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