Why Kate has to tell her story?

[villana81]

I know some people didn't like the way Kate acted last night, so paranoid about the briefcase over just a toy plane, but we really don't know the true meaning for her. And Jack gets upset, i know she lied to him, but she's not forced to tell him, why she has to? they're not old buddies. So i think she has the right to keep it to herself whatever she did.

[getlost]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I mean these people have been together less than a month - none of them should feel obligated to share intimate secrets about themselves.

If I were Kate I'd tell Jack to mind his own business - she have him the opportunity to know her "secret" way back and he declines - clean slate and all that.

Kate just got a million times more interesting in my eyes. It would be painfully dull if all of them were saints and never did anything wrong.

I think Kate just got a million times more interesting to Sawyer too - while Jack got all hurt that she was lying - Sawyer realized that she wasn't a Saint and I think he kind of liked it.

Things are getting interesting. Can't wait until next week.

[jprez98]

I think Kate and Jack have had a bond since the beginning, and that's why Jack feels she should tell him. And, hell, I do too. But, you're right in saying that Jack had his chance to know, and he said he didn't want to (the clean slate thing).

But I've lost a lot of respect for Kate after last night (like many other fans). It's not just that she didn't tell him, that would be one thing, but she lied. Not omitting the truth, but downright lieing. And not only did she lie, but she tried to cover so much up.

If it had been to anyone other than Jack, it wouldn't have bothered me as much, but like I mentioned above, those two had a bond and trust between them...since the beginning. How can leaders trust each other if they don't tell the truth?

[angry may queen]

After last night, Kate got 1 million times LESS interesting to me---almost to the point where I was fed up with the entire show.

I thought that her story was/is lame. And I am still a little in the dark about who she actually killed. But I really don't care about her anymore. Maybe she'll get eaten/killed first. I hope so. :b

[Dread Pirate Yukon]

Then Kate needs to Say, "I'm sorry I don't feel like telling you about it." Instead of Lieing to Jack

[gscaleta]

kate needs to say nothing - taking off her pants and shirt works just fine for me. Less talking and less clothes.

[getlost]

With the exception of Jin/Sun, Michael/Walt, Shannon/Boone there are no "real" bonds established yet. Right now they are all still dealing with the trauma of crashing into a deserted island so any bonds born of the crash are artificial. So the Jack-Kate bond thing isn't real (to me).

Real bonds are built slowly over time. Yes, I agree that the easy thing for her to do would be to say "There's something in there that's mine, i don't feel like talking about, I just really, really want it. Can you please help me." Jack would've said yes and that would have been that.

But - we don't really know these people yet , why they do what they do, what drives them? Why hasn't jack told anyone about seeing his dad? why hasn't Locke told anyone that he was paralyzed? why didn't charlie admit to his addiction? Who knows...that's what makes this show interesting.

As for the leadership arguement. Jack never wanted to be a leader and I've never seen Kate volunteer for that distinction either. If people consider them leaders, they do so at their own peril or disappointment. They don't seem to actively want those roles.

[Hodgepodge]

You guys refuse to remember what we've learned about Kate so far. In Tabula Rasa, we find Kate lying to the rancher. Since they've been on the island, there's been more than once when Jack's asked her for the truth. And now,in Whatever the Case May Be, she lied to her own accomplices. I love Kate, but I wouldn't believe her if she said the sky was blue.

[sunnysixkiller]

When Kate asked Jack to help her with the briefcase, it became "his business."

[Hugo Xiong]

After last night, Kate got 1 million times LESS interesting to me---almost to the point where I was fed up with the entire show.

I thought that her story was/is lame. And I am still a little in the dark about who she actually killed. But I really don't care about her anymore. Maybe she'll get eaten/killed first. I hope so. :b
My God, what are you saying? Kate is the best. There's a reason Kate and Jack are the two main characters--they're the most interesting, in the eyes of J.J. Abrams and myself.

[Elianna5]

Count me in as someone that doesn't think Kate has to tell Jack anything. Yeah, she asked for his help, and he knew right from the beginning that she was't being straight with him and wasn't giving him the whole truth. If he didn't like that, then don't play. Tell her to take her games elsewhere. But if he agreed to get involved, don't act like a pissy whiner when she decides she doesn't want to share.

Hey, last time I checked, I don't remember Jack offering up to Kate that he was chasing his dead father around the island and almost went off a cliff. I understand that he didn't ask her help, and there are some major differences, but my point is that everyone has their secrets, and unless it directly effects the others on the islands, what any of the castaways choose to share is their own choosing.

[myerinmama]

Thanks! I believe that Jack should grow up and realize that some things need to remain private and in such a confined and restricted place people need"alone time". Its not as if telling him about that part of her life will get them off the island any faster.

[Stu1961]

Count me in as someone that doesn't think Kate has to tell Jack anything. Yeah, she asked for his help, and he knew right from the beginning that she was't being straight with him and wasn't giving him the whole truth. If he didn't like that, then don't play. Tell her to take her games elsewhere. But if he agreed to get involved, don't act like a pissy whiner when she decides she doesn't want to share. On the other hand, if Kate didn't want to share - don't agree to in the first place.

...but my point is that everyone has their secrets, and unless it directly effects the others on the islands, what any of the castaways choose to share is their own choosing.

That is why I think it has reached the point where it's now Jack's resposibility to tell the others that Kate was/is the convict who was being transported by the marshall. She has proven to be a self-serving user and liar. Compound that with trying to hide the key to a suitcase full of guns and ammo - I rate that as directly effecting the others on the island. They have a right to know if someone dangerous is amongst them. Hurley already knows anyway, ... and now Sun (at least) knows that she has a secret that Jack knows about.

[Astro101]

Kate was really making me angry last night. Maybe I just can't stand non-stop liars. And I agree with the post above, she had a key to a case of guns and ammo...I think that affects people on the island. I mean, there's a suitcase that's almost unbreakable, a body is dug up for the key, it's Kate involved...I would think that whatever's in the case may be important enough to get an answer out of her.

That said...I hope Kate goes swimming a lot more.

[Abraxas]

Kate doesn't have to tell Jack everything she's done, but if she expects him to trust her and help her she should be honest to him. If she doesn't want to do that she has to do her stuff on her own.
It's quite simple, isn't it?

This episode didn't manage to make Kate more or less interesting than she was before. I'm more interested in other characters at this point, to be honest.

[KissMESawyer]

I think that episode was shown so we could all fully understand that Kate IS NOT an innocent little girl as she tend to portray herself. If you think about it she is always seeming to be both strong and helpless at the same time. And for some reason I don't see Kate as EVER having been the helpless type.

I don't trust her, she has done way too much lying so far.

[LostXphile]

I would agree with you except, like a previous person said, "Kate made it Jack's business" when she approached him, asking him to help her. Kate was the one who sought out Jack, not the other way around. Had Jack approached Kate offering to help her get the briefcase back in the hopes to get more info from her then I'd agree with you. Just like Kate has no obligation to Jack; Jack has no obligation to Kate especially when she was the one trying to use him for her own personal gain.

Kate was trying to play Jack into helping her just by telling him that Sawyer had her brief case. She thought just by mentioning Sawyer's name Jack would go into a protective frenzy for her and get the briefcase back for her with no questions asked. Jack realized what she was doing, and that's when Jack told Kate his terms for helping her (opening the case togther and knowing the contents of the briefcase), and Kate agreed. If Kate didn't like the terms she could have told Jack "no thanks" and kept trying to get the briefcase away from Sawyer on her own. But Kate agreed to Jack's terms thinking she could outmaneuver him. Both Jack & Sawyer saw through Kate, and I have little sympathy for her since she was the one who started all the game-playing with the briefcase in the first place.

[CaribbeanSwan]

To me it’s evident that Jack has developed a strong attachment to Kate because he’s had the chance to see the best of her in several occasions. Specially the one at the beginning of their ordeal (Pilot), when he conceived a positive and comforting First Impression of her when she helped him with his wound, and they shared a very intense moment, for both of them.

And in such an extreme situation like the one they are in, it’s not surprising that intense feelings develop, even considering the short time they’ve known each other. Look at Charlie and Claire!!

So he has expectations about her, but he has been cautious and reserved because of his recent and distant history, the situation they are in, and her secretiveness and unsettling criminal past. And that is why it hurts him when she lies to him. He wants to trust her, but it’s difficult from him to give her a chance when this sort of things happens. He is also being too severe, but I think Jack will be changing a lot from now on: he can become stronger, but he would also have to become more tolerant, in time.

As for Kate, I don’t know, but I believe that the explanation of what is behind the whole bank robbery, the little toy plane, her incapability of talking and sharing her story with anyone, will show a very deeply horrifying event(s) in her life, that may lead us to be more compassionate to her.

It's the same thing with Sawyer: I think the reasons why he is like he is are powerful, so even if I am not exactly fond of him, I root for him to take the chance this experience is giving to him to raise. But, with him in particular, I think his development for good or for bad is torn 50/50, the writers have more freedom to go one way or the other with his character.

[Hugo Xiong]

Great post CaribbeanSwan. I agree 100%.

[Wynter Zera]

Also keep in mind, if you were stuck on an island with a bunch of survivors, and you found out one was a dangerous criminal, I think you'd agree you would NEED know. You have no idea if you're on the island with a psychotic serial killer. There is no law enforcement to protect you. You NEED to know.

That being said, Jack is nuts for not letting her tell him. Not that it would ever be the truth.

[xTBradyx]

As for the episode itself, not one of the best ones, it certianly was not a gripping episode, like the last one where Charlie almost died, but it was an informative one, filling us in on some of Kate's past while raising further queastions about her.

As for her reasons for tricking the bank robbers and shooting them rather than just having them get teh key from the bank executive and opening the box themelves to get the envelope (which I think also contained the airplane, not sure) but, moving to the present, she knew the airplane was in the Haliburten, why did she give it to Sawyer in the first place? she knew the key was on the Air Warden, just ask Jack to help her get the key, he can have the guns and ammo, she just wants the plane, it has sentamental value to her, then he would not have lost trust in her, and everything would be fine.

Why she had to lie to Jack, try tricking him by hiding the key, losing his trust and respect, just for a little airplane is ridiculas, I expected something big to be in that Haliburten, since it was only an airplane that she wanted, it would mean nothing to Jack and he would understand that is ws sentimental, belonging to someone she loved, she wouldn't even have to mention it was also someone she killed.

Just didn't make sense to me.

[KissMESawyer]

I don't know about anyone else (yes GS I know less clothes) but I have had enough of Kate's back story for now. After laat episode we know there is going to be 3rd Kate-centric episode. However, I for one am going to be mucho PISSED if they give it to her before everyone else gets at least 1. SO far Jack and Kate have had 2 back episodes, we need to get at least the beginning of everyone else's.

Though if they wanna make the rest of them all about Sawyer being a stripper in his past, I am ok with that!

:lol

[Miss Kady]

Aside from the guns and ammo, I wonder if Kate knew everything that was inside the case. Maybe she thought that it contained more information about her past, and she wanted to protect that from falling into other hands, including Jack's. I think that she enlisted Jack's help because she recognized that Sawyer and guns would be a bad combo.

That said, I don't think she can be fully trusted. I also think that she perhaps has been trying to turn over a new leaf, but that her past keeps coming back to bite her.

[llywrch]

Aside from the guns and ammo, I wonder if Kate knew everything that was inside the case. Maybe she thought that it contained more information about her past, and she wanted to protect that from falling into other hands, including Jack's. I think that she enlisted Jack's help because she recognized that Sawyer and guns would be a bad combo.

Having watched this episode 3 times, I am convinced that Kate probably had forgotten that the plane was in there: she was more worried about the guns, & wanted to get her hands on them for her own protection.

That said, I don't think she can be fully trusted. I also think that she perhaps has been trying to turn over a new leaf, but that her past keeps coming back to bite her.

I think we're getting to the point in the series where, after all is said & done, practically no one can trust anyone unconditionally.

The reasons why Sawyer and Kate can't be trusted have already been dealt with in this thread. From the previews for this Wednesday, we can see why Locke wouldn't be the man one would want to cover your back.

Jack shows a repeated mule-headedness that sometimes results in a good outcome, but would make me think twice about trusting him with 4 guns & a supply of bullets. (I can see him wasting them all in some stupid frontal assault that would leave the only trained physician in the group dead.)

Boone? He has shown a tendency to choke or show bad judgment in a serious situation. Charlie lost his confidence after Claire's kidnapping. Shannon has never shown any confidence in herseld. Sun & Jin are off in their own faction, separated from the rest by language, if not culture. And while I believe Hurley is the least crafty of the bunch, his fainting at the sight of blood wouldn't make me want to entrust him with one of the 4 or 5 five working handguns.

This leaves Michael & Walt. I get this sense from Michael's grumbling & efforts to be useful that he has much the same faults as Boone. And Walt's a kid; they might make useful soldiers in Africa, but if I'm getting that desperate, I'll start handing out guns & bullets to people on this list, hoping to get thru the immediate crisis & leaving the results of my bad judgment for tomorrow -- if I survive that long.

Geoff

[lachme]

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With the exception of Jin/Sun, Michael/Walt, Shannon/Boone there are no "real" bonds established yet. Right now they are all still dealing with the trauma of crashing into a deserted island so any bonds born of the crash are artificial. So the Jack-Kate bond thing isn't real (to me).

Real bonds are built slowly over time.
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i must respectfully disagree; real bonds are built through shared experience. intense experiences, such as the survivors have shared so far, can build powerful bonds in a very short time. remember, too, that they are (most of them) alone, separated from friends and loved ones, and in a dangerous situation full of unknowns. these circumstances will accelerate the social situation and the pace at which the social relationships there will form. if you doubt, ask someone who has been to war how quickly complete strangers can become "brothers" even closer than blood.