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Why its Mr U
10-04-04, 05:38 AM
I came up with a crazy theory that I thought I'd throw out for the fun of discussing it.
A lot of people have been commenting how Walt saw the polar bear in the comic book and then it manifested in reality (the manifested fears theory). But what if it was the other way around! What if the comic book is about the island!!!! (Hey I said it was a crack-pot theory.)
So far Walt is the only child we've seen, he doesn't speak Spanish so the comic isn't his (I mean something he carried with him). Certainly it could have belonged to an adult on the plane but....
Also, its paper and therefore would likely have burned amid the wreckage so where did it come from? Supposedly there is a person who was actually already on the island; maybe they set it down and thats how Walt found it.
What do we know? The comic book is in Spanish. Sixteen years ago someone started an automated distress call speaking French but the "iteration voice" is in English. Some have suggested the island was a French testing site but wouldn't they have a French radio then? Wouldn't it be saying "le iteration" (or whatever the correct French wording is) and stating the numbers in French? Anyway that had me thinking an international group had been there. Whatever was going on, the Spanish decided to "document" it graphically in the comic book. We all remember those fire safety "comic books" we got in elementary school... well maybe this was a mock up of one about the "project" that was being conducted on the island.
I don't for one minute think this theory is right but...
So does anybody else have any crack-pot theories of their own?
JacksGirlfriend
10-04-04, 01:38 PM
We all have crack pot theories of our own and we all seem to have the guts to write them down. Yours isn't crazier than anything I've come up with. Keep reading - you're going to see an amazing array of ideas.
The comic must have something to do with the island's mystery but I haven't decided exactly what yet. But I doubt they had the time (given their obvious life threatening situation) to mess with comics. I'm more inclined to believe there's another child on the island - probably from the time frame the comic was written. In another thread someone posted it. The polar bear in it? I can't explain the coincidence of that. Maybe someone else can, although I don't subscribe to the "fear manifestation" theories. I don't want Walt to turn into another Anthony.
JacksGirl
Latuki Max
10-04-04, 01:57 PM
I'm currently going through all my issues of Green Lantern. The art work looks VERY 90's. But it IS an issue of the green lantern, I believe.
Do you all promise to love me if I find it?
JacksGirlfriend
10-04-04, 02:02 PM
I saw something on the comic on another threat. Someone posted a picture and someone actually translated the Spanish. But I can't remember where I saw it. It was on this board though because it's the only place I go (Thank God!). But we definitely need a date, so keep looking. And yes, we'll love you.
JacksGirl
Latuki Max
10-04-04, 06:50 PM
The comic book's English title is Green Lantern & FLASH- Faster Friends: Part 1. It was published in English in 1997. I don't have the issue, but I'll look for it. I am CERTAIN that this is the book, though. (The GL in it was Jay.)
The cover (compare to the episode if you want, its the right one): lantern_light.tripod.com/fast1.htm (http://lantern_light.tripod.com/fast1.htm)
Anyways, now for my own analysis. I originally thought that perhaps this was left on the island from previous stranded peoples. But 1997... well... most likely not.
JacksGirlfriend
10-04-04, 06:58 PM
Not necessarily - if it belongs to a kid from 1997 chances are he/she's been taking very good care of it. He might have dropped it and run when the plane was crashing. (I'll think of an explanation for anything.) I would like another child there.
JacksGirl
martianprobe
10-04-04, 07:36 PM
As an avid comic collector, it could be a Justice League book. Both Flash and GL are in that group. If it's from 97 then I'd have to look, I have the full run of JLA and it might be in there.
Anyway, first time poster here. LOVE THE SHOW. Talked my ex into watching on Sat and now there's another fan out there. She likes it because it's a diversion from the deluge of cop/lawyer/medical shows out there.
Is it Wednesday yet? :)
JacksGirlfriend
10-04-04, 08:27 PM
Not quite Wednesday yet... but if you stay in here long enough you'll have to have someone remind you because the days just slip through your fingers...
When you know more about the comic, let us know. Heroes, villains, dates, places, etc. We're obviously obsessed with every little detail around here. And find out the significance of the polar bear while you're at it (please).
You have just crossed over into the twilight zone... your life will never be the same.
JacksGirl
martianprobe
10-04-04, 08:59 PM
Well I posted the comic info on a DC Comics message board so I'll see if anyone there recognizes it. I can't post pics there for some reason so that makes it a tad difficult.
What comic it is probably is of no importance but at this point, speculation RULES!
KatesBoy :D
Latuki Max
10-04-04, 11:00 PM
martianprobe- its not necessary. I researched it and being a comic collector myself, I found that it is in face Green Lantern & Flash- Fast Friends Part 1, as I said above.
The comic itself is entirely between Wally West (Flash) and Kyle Rayner (Green Lantern) and calls back to the Golden Age in DC comics where Green Lantern (Alan Scott) and the original Flash- Jay Garrick- were fighting side by side. The essential plot line is... Get this- a Government/Extraterrestrials conspiracy causing a bizzare series of events that read like something out of the X-Files. Aparently the villain- Alien X- was easily defeated toward the end of the issue- but when he is defeated and dying, rather than get medical help that Kyle offers, he commits suicide- only AFTER unleashing a swarm of otherworldy creatures upon earth. I don't know at this time what those creatures were.
...More to come as I find more information.
martianprobe
10-05-04, 12:51 AM
Good call Latuki.. I was just going to post that it indeed was GL/Flash: Faster Friends... either #1 or #2.
Don't have that one myself but the premise does sound interesting. We may have solved one Lost mystery!
OK, now is it Wednesday yet? :b
martianprobe
10-05-04, 12:55 AM
Wow sorry Latuki... you did answer that. Man you'd think I never read a message board before.. reading the first post and then skipping all the way down and adding a comment!
So um, yeah... good job on the comic research there! I'll just wander off and mind my own business now. ;)
OneFoolOfATook
10-05-04, 01:08 AM
LMAO! hhmm, makes me really want to go out and try to find them comics (I'm a comic geek to 8o , just not an avid collector :\ ) Now I'm interested in The creatures Alien X released On Earth too....could be the same thing plaguing the island?
Most likely not, but maybe so.....
I liked my thought that it was just a kid finding a comic!
But my guesses are 99.9 % always wrong (I GET ONE EVERY NOW AND THEN ^_^ )
Of course There would have to be some kind of significance!
Although....The French Signal Was 16 Years Old....So The Comic Couldn't Have Come Through With *Them* Perhaps Someone Else Was Stranded After That.....But Before Our Boys And Gals?
It Means There Would Have To Be Some Kind Of Portals Depositing These People....Because Lets Face It, Comics Are Very Fragile, They Do *NOT* Fight Well Against Water (uumm...the ocean and rain) OR Fire ( which a crash would produce)
And even if it was Brought By Someone Else It Would Have To Be VERY Well Protected Against Those Tropical Elements, It Would Not Have Survived Just Laying Around.
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AshenFang
10-05-04, 01:13 AM
As far as the comic surviving the crash, I don't find it to be such a big thing. Plenty of luggage and such made it without any damage, it could have easily been stowed a number of places. (Luggage, over head, the little magazines the stick in backs of the survivors seats.)
While yes, there was plenty of fire to go around..and most likely everyone should have died in such a crash. (Not much a show there. =p ) ..many made it out..more or less untouched.. if the book was in their section, I could see it making it out ok.
OneFoolOfATook
10-05-04, 01:25 AM
yeah, but it would have been trampled, or torn apart from all the josteling and more then likely been stepped on....it would not look to be in such good condition....even though it is light and could have been blown by a gust of wind away from the wreckage it still would have been messed up.
Of course....with so much other detail being givin' attention I guess it would be possible for the producers to overlook the thought of wrecking the comic up a bit.
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AshenFang
10-05-04, 01:42 AM
Not if it was i someone's bag, we are shown plenty of 'cargo' that made it out just fine, from the sewing kit (cheap plastic still in perfect condition.) to the small bottle in Jack's pocket. It the book was placed flat in any peice of luggage, and as long as it didn't come open during the crash, which it seemed many didn't, it would have been a very safe ride. Though not saying it's going to be in mint condition or anything. =p But easily what we saw.
Latuki Max
10-05-04, 02:00 AM
martianprobe, sorry I was just wanting to make sure I got credit for this incredible discovery. :P
Anyhow- I would look at this as simply flavor. JJ loves to put little clues in his shows. For example- the letters in season one, or the fact that St. Aidan (phrase seen in dreams of Season Three) ended up, when reversed, being a certain suprising new character's name- Nadia Santos.
Anyways, I would look at it as perhaps just a little insight into that some creature has been released by something. That's all.
martianprobe
10-05-04, 03:12 AM
The book itself probably will end up having no signifigance but the fact that the kid saw the bear and later it appears is the kicker. There has to be something to that.
That'd be my luck.. I'd find a comic instead of a Playboy!
schweinhaxe
10-24-04, 05:44 AM
Why its Mr U,
I also think the comic book has something to do with the secret of the island. Last month, after part one of the pilot, I posted my theory about how I thought the comic book would play a part in the secret of the island. It's in the spoiler section(not sure why it hasn't been moved to the theory/speculation section). The title of the thread is "Hotel Casino Theory" because my comic book theory is based on a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode which another poster(can't remember who) later noted was titled "The Royale".
I know the comic book hasn't been referenced in the last few episodes, but I'm sticking with it as I haven't seen anything that totally disproves it. On the other hand, it doesn't really explain some of the other strange occurances that have happened so far either(not yet, at least). And I keep hearing people say the writers/producers say the explanations will be based in reality/pseudo-science etc. Yeah, whatever.
Anyways, here's the link to my post that has my comic book theory if anyone wants to read it/slice it up. Remember, I wrote it sometime just after the first episode of the pilot so some of the minor mysteries I talk about have already been resolved in subsequent episodes. For instance, we now know the white Lab belongs to the kid etc. Also, my theory isn't as eloquent or as elaborate as the other more talked about theories such as the Philadelphia Exp., the Triangle or Hotel Cali. theories etc. But it is just as long winded :x just a warning.
Here's the link:
p073.ezboard.com/flostthe...D=34.topic (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm8.showMess age?topicID=34.topic)
JacksGirlfriend
10-24-04, 03:06 PM
schweinhaxe: That was an interesting theory and one I haven't seen (because i don't go into spoilers). The comic book must have more significance than we've even seen so far. Perhaps there are other "books" on the island as well creating other types of things.
Although I've never seen this episode, the idea does sound familiar. Maybe there was an old Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode with similar ideas. I'll have to give it some more thought. Anyway, I'll be watching the show looking for clues.
JacksGirl
Black Dahlia
10-24-04, 03:40 PM
Here's a much smaller but properly contrasted picture of Part 2:
www.comicspriceguide.com/...0555/1.jpg (http://www.comicspriceguide.com/images/covers/10555/1.jpg)
Look at the black things flying in the background. We may have found our turbine-busting culprit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/Black_Dahlia/turbineman-omgwtfisthat.gif
seraphism
10-24-04, 04:32 PM
had a look at the turbine-busting incident on the pilot (got a downloaded copy) and it really does look like something blew it up. It's not just a piece of debris falling because if you freeze frame it you'll notice that the "debris" has started it's upward motion (fast enough to blur and elongate the shape) BEFORE the engine actually explodes, but if it was "debris" than it should have started acsending AFTER the explosion. Admittedly the timing is pretty close but i'm fairly certain the black shapes trajectory was not affected by the blast. Defintely food for though this is.
drabauer
10-24-04, 06:15 PM
Could the black shape attacking the turbine be the "creature," which ordinarily moves too fast for the human eye to detect?
As mentioned on the SUV thread, the 'black thing' appears after the explosion as well
Here's a small pic
shmern.org/lost/frame6.gif (http://shmern.org/lost/frame6.gif)
I don't have any software on my PC ATM to do an animated gif, but I have each frame on my site showing this.
shmern.org/lost/frame1.gif up to frame7.gif and another scene is frame10.gif up to frame13.gif
Black Dahlia can u convert these to an animated gif like your other one ?
Shmern
Sleeestack
10-25-04, 02:41 AM
I swear it looks like a demon or alien head. Have I had too much Heineken with Jagermeister shooters?http://www.capefearmultimedia.com/great64.gif
JacksGirlfriend
10-25-04, 02:45 AM
Yes, you've probably had too much Heineken but that doesn't necessarily affect seeing demon heads. Demon heads can be seen with or without the haze of beer fumes.
Love your dancing people, but frankly I dance much better than that.
JacksGirl
Sleeestack
10-25-04, 02:47 AM
The dude on the way far left is the Monster in Lost. He took dancing lessons from JLo before she Wed Marc Anthony.
JacksGirlfriend
10-25-04, 02:50 AM
I assumed he had - I recognize JLo's style. Not bad as far as monster-dancing goes. How'd you get Spiderman? I heard he charges a fortune.
JacksGirl
What if hurley was a young boy when he got lost ?
he arrives with his comic to this island from spain ?
where it mysteriously manifested his book as a habitat for him and his other crash victims, ( being the only resource , like that star trek TNG, casino )
unknowingly creating the alien mentioned in the comic...
there...I'm done
I'm outta here.. goodnight people..
george has left the building..
Sleeestack
10-25-04, 02:52 AM
I have some Spidey tights I keep in the closet for special occasion. You should know about me and my fetish for spandex!
The hard part was getting Terry O'Quinn (the fella in the way back) to dance for our shoot.
The cool thing is (and you can't tell by looking) is that we are dancing to Britney Spear's song "Toxic" as sung and interpreted by Pinnerman. MaxPublic is playing the organ, and AztecGal is pounding the bongos. It was a great experience.
http://www.capefearmultimedia.com/great64.gif
JacksGirlfriend
10-25-04, 02:59 AM
Well, you look great in the tights (and I already knew about your fetish for spandex). Terry O'Quinn was available on such short notice? You must have an amazing negotiating skill.
Gosh. I didn't know Max had told people about his love of organ music. He's usually so private about stuff like that. How does Pinnerman sing? Does he put his heart into it the way Britney does? And azteclady - I heard she's pretty good.
I can't believe you didn't invite me along. I would have loved to be part of the experience.
JacksGirl
azteclady
10-25-04, 03:11 AM
JacksGirl,
I was soooooo incredibly nervous, I didn't think I could pull it off! But you know our Sleeestack - no way was he going to let me get away.
I did miss seeing you there, though, as I know you'd have a calming influence on me. Or at least, you'd have every male present drooling and thus, not paying attention to any of my potential mistakes :D
Beto
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JacksGirlfriend
10-25-04, 03:19 AM
Drooling... right....
(It's getting late - I can't type two lousy words without a typo)
JacksGirl
Dmcquickly
10-25-04, 04:23 PM
I'm looking at that vid clip of the engine...that black flat object doesn't look to me like it flies into the engine and then back out the other side (which would, given the heat and fan, be physically impossible for something that big)--it looks like it flies over the top of the engine as the engine blows up. So some computer animation thing by the show's editors.
And about the polar bear. I like the interesting theory of manifestations...but if the kid saw the polar bear in the comic book, why wasn't it him that saw it in the woods--in other words, it could have been his manifestation, but it didn't affect him in any way at all! Strange...
Sleeestack
10-25-04, 04:25 PM
Am I the only one who sees this head?
http://shmern.org/lost/frame6.gif
JacksGirlfriend
10-25-04, 11:18 PM
I see a face - but it doesn't look evil. In fact, it looks like those tree carving faces that are supposed to be good luck. I have a little one I got in Austria when I was in high school.
JacksGirl
I dont remember this scene at all. they were sitting in somewhat that layout, but a guy was sucked in and then the engine exploded. Thats what I saw. Nice job compositing though, you have motion blur down pretty good.
JacksGirlfriend
10-26-04, 01:52 AM
Yung: Do you see a face?
JacksGirl
only when I turn off my monitor..
JacksGirlfriend
10-26-04, 03:13 AM
In the picture...
JacksGirl
pinnerman
10-26-04, 03:16 AM
What's up with the the site? Help?
JacksGirlfriend
10-26-04, 03:17 AM
Pinnerman: Can't do anything about the site this month. Xander exceeded his bandwidth. It won't be up til November, but we're trying to help now. Check your email. I wrote you.
JacksGirl
Hwat od yuo mane pniiremna !?
thats what do you mean pinnerman ?
This site seems fine, looking now, obviously you were talking to Jacksgirl..oops
my attempt at humour
pinnerman
10-26-04, 03:19 AM
What? Please get in chat and tell me what's going on. I didn't get the email.
Chat rooms, psst, whisper whisper...
Iv'e been offended, All night I wait for people to talk in somewhat "real" time, and they leave..
JacksGirlfriend
10-26-04, 02:01 PM
Yung - you need to invite them to meet you in the chat room. Sometimes people just go in and wait for someone to join them too. You could do that too. When people see 1 person in the chat room, I see others follow.
JacksGirl
Lothiriel of Rohan
10-26-04, 03:13 PM
Yung23...from my observation people on this site do not use the chatroom that much except on Wednesdays during and after the Lost episode of the week. People on the east coast start and then people on the west coast get into it later.
Last night appeared to be an exception but that was because people who have been on the board a long time were tossing around ideas on how to keep the site going given Xander's problem with bandwith, etc. But like Jack's girlfriend pointed out, you can INVITE people to join you in the chatroom. Just don't be offended if you don't get any takers. Everyone on the board has limited free time and other obligations like work and family. We are a friendly group...:D and we would hate to lose you...:)
I love you all, deep thinkers are my friends...
I've tried a few times to get in a chat line, but as per instructions, I have no My community options tab.... in order to click the little box...
JacksGirlfriend
10-26-04, 11:22 PM
Yung - Can't you just click on chat? That's what I do. Is there another way?
JacksGirl
Jackgrl.:I see a join live chat button, clicking it does nothing but pops up a blank window...
What'd you think about tonights ep ?
*Two very old skeletons...
( NO it's not adam and eve... ? How would the world have been populated, we'd all be stuck there too ! )
*A black rock / white rock...
Obviously the famous "Black Rock " is home base for the black team.. Hey, I'd be playing capture the flag for fun !!!
Where the heck was sawyer when michael was getting his beats ?
Took others long enough to get there... Sayid and Sawyer as the enforcers ?
P.S. I like " How Locke will help charlie get off drugs " ....
now's he's got the fix for charlies withdrawl peak... ?
is that right any junkies out there ?
JacksGirlfriend
10-28-04, 03:13 AM
Hi Yung: I sent you an email about the chatroom.
Lots going on tonight. Everyone seems to be slightly disappointed in the episode but I thought it opened up lots of possibilities down the road. I was disappointed to see them split - I wanted them all to stay together.
I give them a couple weeks and they'll all be huddling in that cave area.
JacksGirl
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