Funny thing on the Supernatural Theories

[HoopsworldMan]

I got this from another board and it shows how crazy some people need to realize they sound:

Tycho: Do you watch this show, Lost?
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Gabe: I LOVE LOST!
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Tycho: So, what do you think the monster is?
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Gabe: It's got to be a dinosaur! Or...a robot. Or a robot dinosaur! But from space too! The center of another world! That's where he met his polar bear. And the polar bear is a sorcerer! Oh my god, they're BOTH sorcerers.
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Tycho: Okay...What about the guy in the suit? How does he fit into all that ****?
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Gabe: He's a shape shifter!
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Tycho: So that's not his real shape?
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Gabe: No! He shifted it!

[snogirlz]

I personally hope that this show doesn't turn out like that!:)

[seraphism]

here's a link to the comic that quote was originally taken from
www.penny-arcade.com/view...0-20&res=l (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-10-20&res=l)

[HoopsworldMan]

I think people need to shut up about the supernatural theories. Like the comic said, it's getting ridiculous.

[Master Xander]

Yeah, there are really some OUT THERE theories.

[LostBoy]

Those theories are silly and I realize that a writer for the show said everything will be based in science, but frankly you can’t believe everything a writer or producer on the show has to say. They don’t want to reveal everything, and it’s happened before that false info was leaked. If there is nothing supernatural on the show, how do you explain a man seeing his dead father, and then finding the coffin only to see that it’s empty. Okay, maybe he’s hallucinating and the body fell out of the coffin during the crash (the coffin opened up, let the body out, and neatly closed up again). But couple that with a giant monster that clearly doesn’t correspond to anything science would accept as existing in modern times and a polar bear being where it shouldn’t be… plus a man who couldn’t walk suddenly finding the ability to walk after the crash. FACT: There is no single accepted scientific explanation that would tie all these things together. If the writer who talked about it being based in science was referring to string theory or something related to the concept of parallel realities, that is not accepted science. But if that is what the show is moving towards, then all bets are off, because the laws of nature in our world may not necessary apply to a parallel one. So basically things like ghosts, demons or whatever are fair game.

[azteclady]

LostBoy said:
" FACT: There is no single accepted scientific explanation that would tie all these things together"

Fact is that the writers have NOT promised the audience that there will be ONE explanation for everything, only that "everything will be explained." There's a huge difference between the two.

Another fact is that many things in anyone's life are NOT tied together.

Fact is that many unrelated events in any one person's life may be,and more often than not *are*, explained through logic and science.

Fact is that each of the incidents you list can be explained using science, logic, empirical experience, etc., independently from one another.

LostBoy also said:
"frankly, you can’t believe everything a writer or producer on the show has to say."

And I'll agree that not *every-single-little-thing* told by writers or producers of LOST should be taken as gospel. In a show like this, misdirection is the name of the game. So when one of them says "Hurley tells them he's 26," I will not get in a dither about that. Or when someone says that there was someone on the island and continues, "who's to say we haven't met that person yet?" I assume that *that* does not mean we *have.*

On the other hand, unequivocal statements like the one about LOST being based on real world science, or how time and space do not bend, that there will be no dinosaurs... These statements are promises to the audience establishing the parameters of the LOST-verse.

The show's creative team (producers, writers, directors, etc.), know that, for the show to survive more than the already promised 22 episodes, keeping these promises is imperative. Because a good chunk of the audience would drop LOST like so much trash if they are broken.



Beto

[pinnerman]

Some of the new information I'm reviewing covers this, but I won't be able to post it for a while. Sorry.

[HoopsworldMan]

Lostboy, you do realize that there is a strong possiblity the father's body was never in the coffin to begin with? It's all explainable, just calm down on the supernatural bullshit for a little while.

[SelfProjectRealized]

Here's my question: Who cares?

Whether or not they'll be given scientific or "pseudo-scientific" explanations, there are definitely what can be called "mystical" elements to this show and, personally, I'm looking forward to seeing where these elements go. I actually love when shows do stuff like this because TV is such a great medium to build a real, purposeful metaphor. What's the point in making it completely realistic, if instead you can use something creative and different, like the island reacting in some way to people's thoughts, to really bring out what's interesting in the characters? I mean, TV is already inherently metaphorical in that it's just a portrayal of life, not life itself.

The importance of the mystical elements, so far, have been to advance character development and to show us how each character has lost something in the past, and through this experience gained back just what they needed. I really don't care whether there's ALSO a scientific explanation, because that's just not what's important about the storytelling.

[/End Rant]

[LostBoy]

Azteclady, I understand not everything in life in life needs to be connected, but what are the odds of at least four separate things happening in a single local that stretch the laws of accepted science, that do not have ANY relationship at all? You really think that all the strange things happening on the island have NO connection? There is something that relates these things together, and whatever it is must have an explanation that is based either on a “more theory than science” concept or flat out mysticism.

Hoopsworld, quit freaking out because someone has different ideas that you. Why would there be an empty coffin on a plane? If Jack knew it was the coffin was empty, how do you explain his reaction to seeing it was empty? If he didn’t know, how would the writers come up with a scenario so that Jack and the audience would know that happened. I realize you can come up with a science based explanation for each of things individually, but something that ties all these things together… go back to the first paragraph of this post… all these things aren’t happening at the same place by accident. If it turns out that these are all unrelated, that’s just bad writing. Sometimes hard scientific explanations of things are more implausible than explanations that accept mystical or supernatural possibilities… in real life and ESPECIALLY fiction.

[azteclady]

For many people life MUST have a pattern and things MUST happen for a reason. For them, coincidences do not exist. For me, life can be random and coincidences are coincidences.

LostBoy, I can and do believe that many, many things happening in one single place and that appear to 'stretch the laws of accepted science' can be a) unrelated and b) easily explained without any stretching.

"Sometimes hard scientific explanations of things are more implausible than explanations that accept mystical or in real life and ESPECIALLY fiction"

Scientific explanations usually demand knowledge, even if rudimentary, of the science used, and understanding of its ramifications, applications, etc. It's infinitely easier to accept an all-encompassing explanation of the deux et machina variety.

Of course you may be right and I wrong - it's the nature of the beast.

I will point out, though, that you are basing your argument on an assumption that I have not seen confirmed anywhere by the people who make the show (the ultimate authority on what happens in it, I would assume).

You assume that "there is something that relates these things together."

I don't *shrug*



Beto

[JacksGirlfriend]

You assume that "there is something that relates these things together."

I happen to believe this too. I hope the majority of the dialogue, a great deal of the action and motives, most of the imagery and symbolism will have a meaning in some grand scheme. The polar bear, the dolls, the casket, the island, the things in the trees, the French signal, etc. - I want it all to have meaning and relate to something else. At the end of the show I want to be able to say "Here's where that fit in the story arc and it meant..."

I may be giving the writers too much credit. They may be getting scared by now because they might have just set out to create an amazing adventure of survival. What they've gotten is a group of fanatics analyzing every word, every thought, every deed and looking for (and finding) the connections between them. The writers may be sitting around right now trying to connect the dots that had no pattern at all... until now.

If at the end of this show I haven't found a show with an amazing mythology all its own, I'm going to be disappointed. I don't care what the connection is - aliens, scientific experimentation and blunder, supernatural, a melting pot of mythology, legend and fact - but I want it all to be connected.

JacksGirl

[LostBoy]

I also believe that things can happen randomly and by coincidence… it just depends on the situation. If I walk into an empty house and I feel a chill then see a door open with no one there, then the lights flicker on and off, I would assume it’s the wind and an electrical disturbance happening at the same time. But if that is followed by a loud cackling laughter, the sound of dragging chains, and the appearance of a ghastly apparition by the door, I would have to start assuming that all of these events are related somehow.

And remember, we’re talking about fiction here. Unless the writers want to make some grand point about random coincidence, it’s pretty unlikely they would decide to write about a series of wild coincidences happening to a group of people. Not only is it implausible, it’s just not very interesting. I would hope they have some clear idea why all these strange things are happening to their characters, and they didn’t just decide to see how long they can get away with throwing a bunch of random ideas together to fill up time. I admit that could very well be the case, but I’m with jack’s girl on that… that would be real dissapointing to me.