Is Eko blind?

[Frecklestoo]

I got the impression a few times during E3 that Eko might be blind. When Locke found him in the cave, he opened his eyes, but it didn't look like he was seeing...his eyes looked distant. Then again in the jungle when Charlie went to get water and Locke was talking to him, he again looked like he was not focusing on Locke or anything else. Did anyone else notice this?

That would mean that Locke is mute (speak no evil), Eko is blind (see no evil)...is someone going to turn out to be deaf?

[OldSmokey]

I think I would look distant if I had been dragged half way throught the jungle by a polar bear that was going to eat me ........

LOL couldn't resist

[Mysterious Mike]

I in no way got the sense he was blind.

[cricer]

Not sure, perhaps Desmond is deaf but can keep conversation because he can predict what the other person will say?

[equinox]

I got the impression a few times during E3 that Eko might be blind. (...) Then again in the jungle when Charlie went to get water and Locke was talking to him, he again looked like he was not focusing on Locke or anything else. Did anyone else notice this?
I'm of the opinion that Eko wasn't even speaking in that scene. It was an hallucination from Locke. So the "not focusing" thing may not be significant.

That would mean that Locke is mute (speak no evil), Eko is blind (see no evil)...is someone going to turn out to be deaf?
Charlie was having hearing problems in S2E24.

[Frecklestoo]

I think I would look distant if I had been dragged half way throught the jungle by a polar bear that was going to eat me ........

LOL couldn't resist

Hardy har har! :rotfl: I thought of the same thing. But seriously, I really thought he seemed blind. I'm not saying I'm right...it was an observation and I just wanted to know if anyone else out there thought the same thing. If not, I'm perfectly content to accept my observation as worthless.:)

[LightSide/DarkSide]

I had the same impression that Eko's eyes were open but it didn't seem like he could see.

My idea about the three "no evil" monkeys was that they would somehow correlate to the three hatch monkeys, Locke, Eko, and Desmond. Since Locke was speechless and Eko appeared to be sightless (at least to some of us) then that would leave Desmond unable to hear. But he seems to hear just fine so the three monkey thing doesn't necessarily seem to fit with him. :(

[SimonO]

What about when Eko turned his head toward Locke and said "John?". He saw him, therefore he is not blind.

[webcricket]

Someone else mentioned it, but Charlie had hearing issues last season when he returned from the hatch. That leaves Desmond with the fourth "evil"...do no evil.

From wiki: “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” is a common phrase, usually used to describe someone who doesn't want to be involved in a situation or someone turning a willful blind eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_a_blind_eye) to the immorality of an act he is involved in. Sometimes, a fourth component "do no evil" is added to the phrase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_No_Evil_Hear_No_Evil_Speak_No_Evil

[vonnegut]

Someone else mentioned it, but Charlie had hearing issues last season when he returned from the hatch. That leaves Desmond with the fourth "evil"...do no evil.



Very interesting. I don't think that this will be a very overt thing (Charlie got over his "ears" as he put it, rather quickly), but possibly it is some intentional symbolism.

We'll have to watch Desmond.

[Without Dane]

Interesting thoughts.

I didnt get the impression that he was blind though. His talking to Locke was supposed to come across as a dream/hallucination/vision I assumed.

[Fierro]

Someone else mentioned it, but Charlie had hearing issues last season when he returned from the hatch. That leaves Desmond with the fourth "evil"...do no evil.

From wiki: “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” is a common phrase, usually used to describe someone who doesn't want to be involved in a situation or someone turning a willful blind eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_a_blind_eye) to the immorality of an act he is involved in. Sometimes, a fourth component "do no evil" is added to the phrase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/See_No_Evil_Hear_No_Evil_Speak_No_Evil
mmmm... interesting. I also believe that Ecko talking to Locke was just a hallucination. But the 'evil' analogy is really cool. All 4 people within the hatch at the moment of the system failure could be associated to one of this 'evil':

Charlie: Hear no evil
Locke: Speak no evil
Ecko: See no evil
Desmond: Do no evil?


This could get even more valid after checking next episode's synopsis. I have posted this several times:) , but it keeps getting more and more interesting: Desmond is gonna build a 'device'. Is this device an evil means to do harm?

[Without Dane]

You know what... upon a second viewing, Eko did seem like he was blind. Well, guess we'll found out soon enough!

[LightSide/DarkSide]

webcricket that's awesome! I completely forgot about "do no evil". And that would tie in well with Desmond's Jesus look. I also didn't take into account that Charlie is nearly always hanging around Eko and Locke and was involved with the hatch prior to failsafe. I guess that makes him a hatch monkey after all.

[Without Dane]

What does "do no evil?" mean exactly...?

[mixsta]

Can i also add that there was a moment in Further instructions when Charlie and Locke are standing outside the cave before Locke enters to rescue Eko, and Charlie legitimately says "what?", like he cant hear. This is from memory and i'm yet to view again so sorry if this is a mis-rememberance.

[mixsta]

Oooo, and Charlie was also looking to Locke alot when they were being chased by the Bear, like he needed a Locke to hear the danger for him and warn him......it's possible i may be reading too much into this....sigh!
:p

[Ekolocke]

The original 3 monkeys are still visible, at Nikko, Japan, I saw them a few months ago. There's see, hear and speak, but there's no "do".

Here's a shot I got of them.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5116/threemonkeysbr6.jpg

[Frecklestoo]

The original 3 monkeys are still visible, at Nikko, Japan, I saw them a few months ago. There's see, hear and speak, but there's no "do".


Maybe "do" no evil is just a given. Desmond definitely had that Jesus look like another poster mentioned.

It'll be interesting to see if any of this means anything at all.

[airlybird]

This is a really good point Frecklestoo.... i never thought about it at the time but it would be interesting to see if this pans out, nice job
originally posted by equinox: Charlie was having hearing problems in S2E24.
Yeah...thats the first thing that sprung to my mind too.

[UKLostie]

There does definately seem to be a vacant look about Eko's eyes. Maybe he is blind maybe its just down to shock. I guess we will find out next Wednesday, just what the extent of Eko's injuries are.

[LightSide/DarkSide]

The original 3 monkeys are still visible, at Nikko, Japan, I saw them a few months ago. There's see, hear and speak, but there's no "do".

That's why the statue isn't called the Four Wise Monkeys. :p

[Skywalker]

I can't imagine why you'd think that Eko is blind. I certainly haven't noticed any implication of Eko being blind.

[Suil Liath]

I thought he was blind as well. Charlie was briefly deaf, Locke lost the power of speech --- the people caught in the implosion lost one of their senses briefly, although we're not sure what "sense" Desmond "lost" or "gained".

[SimonO]

Why are people just ignoring the fact that Eko turned to Locke when he was in the cave and said "John" without Locke saying anything? Either Eko is telepathic or he has his vision intact.

[UKLostie]

I thought he was blind as well. Charlie was briefly deaf, Locke lost the power of speech --- the people caught in the implosion lost one of their senses briefly, although we're not sure what "sense" Desmond "lost" or "gained".

Sixth Sense?

[Ekolocke]

Why are people just ignoring the fact that Eko turned to Locke when he was in the cave and said "John" without Locke saying anything? Either Eko is telepathic or he has his vision intact.Because it didn't happen that way - have another look. Locke first says "Eko".

[sawyerhasbestlines]

I can see why Eko seemed blind, but I don't know if it's going to be a literal thing - more like a suggestion that's he's acting oracle-ish.

On the other hand Eko was having his Lazarus moment - burried in his tomb - then being brought out miraculously aided by Locke. The scene helped to set up: for the comeback career of season one mystical Locke.

[boonian androphile]

I can see why Eko seemed blind, but I don't know if it's going to be a literal thing - more like a suggestion that's he's acting oracle-ish.

On the other hand Eko was having his Lazarus moment - burried in his tomb - then being brought out miraculously aided by Locke. The scene helped to set up: for the comeback career of season one mystical Locke.

The Oracle of Eko...

Also, let's hope that the writers continue to emulate the monkeys (including do no evil) while they continue to take improved pen in hand. Eventhough episode three was a little choppy, it did show Locke in an improved light character-wise. His mission is with the island, not with doing dishes and courting a family left briefly vacant by the druggy male.

Meanwhile, it makes sense that Eko would be temporarily blind. As others have stated, Charlie was temporarily deaf and Locke was temporarily mute. Desmond, I fear and hope, is less temporarily in the state of extrasensory cognizance. Nothing propels a story better than a character compelled by demons of the future...

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[Frecklestoo]

Why are people just ignoring the fact that Eko turned to Locke when he was in the cave and said "John" without Locke saying anything? Either Eko is telepathic or he has his vision intact.

Locke said "Eko" first and then Eko turned toward him. To me it didn't look like he directly looked at Locke. I watched the episode again last night and I stand by my initial observation that he looked like he was blind.

I guess we'll see in a future episode if he is blind or not. (No pun intended)

[Jinjur]

I actually got the impression that he might be blind as well but I suppose only time will tell...