The Intercom Works: Was it Christian? [Archive]

sdunn96

10-26-06, 05:24 PM

Jack definitely heard voices on the intercom in last night's episode.

Juliette told him it had been broken for years.

If it works, it begs the question: Did he really hear his father's voice saying,
'Let it go, Jack'?

Is his father alive and on the island?

It is another way they are screwing w/ him.
Juliet may think it is broke, but perhaps Ben had it fixed and never told her.
Until this time it would seem they don't frequent that area of the hatch much.

juanbong

10-26-06, 05:25 PM

Jack definitely heard voices on the intercom in last night's episode.

Juliette told him it had been broken for years.

If it works, it begs the question: Did he really hear his father's voice saying,
'Let it go, Jack'?

Is his father alive and on the island?

I always wonder if Juliet was meaning that Jack couldn't call out through the intercom, but now we know that Jack heard Sawyer on the other end.

But then again, Ben turned off the cage experiement contraption so maybe the Others can turn the intercom on and off... *shrugs shoulders*

DreaminLost

10-26-06, 05:27 PM

But Jack heard his father's voice saying the thing he'd often said to Jack--

Let it go.

How could Ben do that?

I've never been convinced that Christian is dead.

VonWesvolin

10-26-06, 05:27 PM

Juliet maybe not be a "fountain of truth." She is an Other. I'm guessing that what Jack heard in regards to his father's voice is from or akin to him seeing his father. Whatever that is. "The island"; "Locke's wacky paste"; or something else.

The voices Jack heard last night I believe to be real. The jury is still out for me as to whether it was unintentional by the Others or not for Jack to hear Sawyer et al.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't know if the two events are related... (hearing Jack's dad; hearing Sawyer)

Fierro

10-26-06, 05:29 PM

What if the person with the tumor is Jack's father?????

VonWesvolin

10-26-06, 05:30 PM

Didn't Jack tell Juliet that the x-rays were of a 40 year old male?

juanbong

10-26-06, 05:34 PM

But Jack heard his father's voice saying the thing he'd often said to Jack--

How could Ben do that?

How did Kate and Sawyer see the horse?

How did Shannon and Sayid see Walt?

How did Locke and Eko know things would happen on the island that were seen in their dreams?

Same question keeps coming back around for Jack seeing Christian, and now hearing Christian.

Blackhawk

10-26-06, 05:34 PM

What I want to know is -- why the hell was there an intercom installed in what was originally supposed to be an aquarium? So the sharks could order their lunch without having to move?

DreaminLost

10-26-06, 05:35 PM

Lol, Blackhawk.

Maybe it was installed so that a shark handler could call for help if need be.

Out of control Dharma sharks.

VonWesvolin

10-26-06, 05:37 PM

I thought Jack was in an examination room of the aquarium... like a shark coroner's room.... it does have a door.

juanbong

10-26-06, 05:37 PM

What I want to know is -- why the hell was there an intercom installed in what was originally supposed to be an aquarium? So the sharks could order their lunch without having to move?

They like a little variety in their meals.

Drive-thru to get a grilled chicken burrito.....

wait...do sharks like chicken? Better make it a grilled steak burrito...

DreaminLost

10-26-06, 05:39 PM

My nice little thread is getting threadjacked!

How did Kate and Sawyer see the horse?

How did Shannon and Sayid see Walt?

How did Locke and Eko know things would happen on the island that were seen in their dreams?

Same question keeps coming back around for Jack seeing Christian, and now hearing Christian.

But there's something more about Christian Shephard. He's too integral to the story somehow.

His relationship with Sarah and AnaLucia.

The empty casket.

The sighting.

The voice on the intercom.

There's so much more to his story. I think he's there. And I think he talked to Jack on the intercom against the wishes of Ben.

sdunn96

10-26-06, 05:48 PM

VonWesvolin

10-26-06, 05:50 PM

I think Jack's father is dead.
Didn't Jack have to confirm his identity since he had no ID on him?
Could've been a con. They are better at it than Sawyer.

jmb3rg3r

10-26-06, 05:51 PM

sdunn96

10-26-06, 05:51 PM

Could've been a con. They are better at it than Sawyer.

How can it be a con?
He went to Aus. to the morgue to ID the dead body........
Am I missing something here?

sdunn96

10-26-06, 05:52 PM

Plus he went to his fathers room to pick up his belongings.

sdunn96

10-26-06, 05:53 PM

If Jack's father is still alive, then there are some sever continuity problems in this show and that will piss people off.

juanbong

10-26-06, 05:53 PM

My nice little thread is getting threadjacked!

But there's something more about Christian Shephard. He's too integral to the story somehow.

His relationship with Sarah and AnaLucia.

The empty casket.

The sighting.

The voice on the intercom.

There's so much more to his story. I think he's there. And I think he talked to Jack on the intercom against the wishes of Ben.

Sorry, I am eating lunch and well, Blackhawk started it :nanabobo:

Back to the topic at hand....

While I do agree that the Christian factor is still a huge mystery, I think it does play a role in what the rest of the LOSTies are seeing/hearing.

I would like to see if any other LOSTies has these havids.

Lawboy

10-26-06, 05:56 PM

How can it be a con?
He went to Aus. to the morgue to ID the dead body........
Am I missing something here?

Yes, a huge theory is that the body was not, in fact, dead. And that he has possibly just been drugged to appear dead, much like the white rabbit trick the Others pulled with Sawyer last night. Which makes me wonder....

Was not the episode where Jack chased Christian titled "White Rabbit"??? Coincidence?

sterioss

10-26-06, 05:58 PM

I may be wrong about this, but did we not see Christian Shephard on a metal table at the Morgue in Sydney.

VonWesvolin

10-26-06, 05:58 PM

How can it be a con?
He went to Aus. to the morgue to ID the dead body........
Am I missing something here?
He went to Australia because that's where is father went. His mother sent him there to bring him back. Jack went there not knowing he had died (if he did indeed die). He went to his father's Hotel room because that's the first place to logically look for him. The bellhop (or whatever he was) could've been paid off and was part of the ruse. Same with the Medical Examiner.

I'm not saying I believe he is alive. Just saying it is possible he could be.

sdunn96

10-26-06, 06:03 PM

He went to Australia because that's where is father went. His mother sent him there to bring him back. Jack went there not knowing he had died (if he did indeed die). He went to his father's Hotel room because that's the first place to logically look for him. The bellhop (or whatever he was) could've been paid off and was part of the ruse. Same with the Medical Examiner.

I'm not saying I believe he is alive. Just saying it is possible he could be.

I thought that was the whole conversation he and his mother had....was that he did die and thus the reason he had to go there and bring him back.

Lawboy

10-26-06, 06:05 PM

I thought that was the whole conversation he and his mother had....was that he did die and thus the reason he had to go there and bring him back.

Nope. Christian was not dead when Jack left. Christian had no contact wit hthe States, and all they knew was that he was in Oz. So how could they know he was dead? They didn't. Jack just went to bring him home. He had not idea it would be in a coffin.

rvturnage

10-26-06, 06:06 PM

Jack definitely heard voices on the intercom in last night's episode.

Juliette told him it had been broken for years.

If it works, it begs the question: Did he really hear his father's voice saying,
'Let it go, Jack'?

Is his father alive and on the island?

Definately works in some way shape or form...in case you missed it, and in case anyone cares, here's a transcript (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1019957&postcount=409) of other voices heard in the first intercom scene, when Jack hears is Dad's voice.

And apparently, according to someone at thefuselage, the CC had this line in some of the static over the intercom in Every Man for Himself: "Have you seen what he's doing to Karl? It was a mistake bringing those two here"

That's paraphrased, but it apparently mentioned Karl. So, something's up with that intercom...

sdunn96

10-26-06, 06:08 PM

Nope. Christian was not dead when Jack left. Christian had no contact wit hthe States, and all they knew was that he was in Oz. So how could they know he was dead? They didn't. Jack just went to bring him home. He had not idea it would be in a coffin.

Ok, gotcha.
But I still don't think he is alive.
All I saw in the ep led me to believe that he was tagged and ready to be buried.

rvturnage

10-26-06, 06:11 PM

But didn't they show Jack the body in the morgue? I'm sure I remember them pulling the body out of the drawer...

jmb3rg3r

10-26-06, 06:13 PM

But didn't they show Jack the body in the morgue? I'm sure I remember them pulling the body out of the drawer...They did. (Not that this precludes some weirdness.)

notsam

10-26-06, 06:17 PM

Jack definitely heard voices on the intercom in last night's episode.

Juliette told him it had been broken for years.

If it works, it begs the question: Did he really hear his father's voice saying,
'Let it go, Jack'?

Is his father alive and on the island?

Good point that we know for sure that the intercom is really playing sound. Jack did hear Sawyer.

Juliette told him it was broken, but she and Henry are just messing with his head. It is one of their "the only thing we put in you is doubt" moments. They play sounds over the intercom, and then tell Jack that the intercom is broken. After a while, if they can wear him down, he starts to doubt his sanity.

sdunn96

10-26-06, 06:18 PM

They did. (Not that this precludes some weirdness.)

Well I don't think that I would take a drug and camp in a morgue for that long myself....

Can anyone answer this.
How long before they would have to prepare the body for burial?
Would they have done it in Oz or wait til they got back to the states?

DreaminLost

10-26-06, 06:18 PM

here's a transcript (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1019957&postcount=409) of other voices heard in the first intercom scene, when Jack hears is Dad's voice.

Thanks, RobertRV.

Since you're the audio expert, what did you conclude from that scene?

jmb3rg3r

10-26-06, 06:24 PM

Well I don't think that I would take a drug and camp in a morgue for that long myself....
I was thinking along more Island-miracle lines...

DreaminLost

10-26-06, 06:25 PM

Malkin's daughter was dead and came back to life.

So it's not unprecedented on Lost.

rvturnage

10-26-06, 06:27 PM

Thanks, RobertRV.

Since you're the audio expert, what did you conclude from that scene?

First off, I think Christians dead. I thought someone (Henry/the Others) was messing with Jack's head, and somehow either broadcast Christians voice through the intercom, or put it in Jack's head somehow...

But I think this second time around, in EMFH last night, that someone other than Henry was using the intercom. Probably Alex or someone along those lines, that don't agree with Henry and them about something...a second faction of the Others that want to help the Losties.

They could also be behind the "island havids" like Christian appearing to Jack and Locke's dream from Further Instructions...

I Hate Seabillies

10-26-06, 08:38 PM

I've never been convinced that Christian is dead.

When someone claims a dead body, they have to identify it. I doubt Christian would be apart of some conspiracy to play dead to pull one over on his son. He agreed to fly 15 hours from Australia to LA laying down in a casket in a non-pressurized compartment of an airplane?

I Hate Seabillies

10-26-06, 08:45 PM

How can it be a con?
He went to Aus. to the morgue to ID the dead body........
Am I missing something here?

No. Some people think that because their mind can conceptualize some possible explanation, that it is then possible, without considering whether it is probable.

3519273540

10-26-06, 08:53 PM

mrfrankie

10-26-06, 08:58 PM

Was it his father's voice or just the quote from his father? They had such an impressive dossier on Jack that it wouldn't be a big stretch for them to have picked that quote off the police report knowing it would be both significant for Jack and yet obscure enough to make him think that no one could possible know about it.

3519273540

10-26-06, 08:58 PM

I don't think Christian could survive in a coffin in a plane's cargo hold on a trans-pacific flight, let alone a plane crash.

sawyerhasbestlines

10-26-06, 09:03 PM

I agree Christian is more than just an incidental connection among these characters. Dead or not, he's somehow integral to the story. I've thought from time to time that Lost is really his story more than anyone else's...

Yup, ditto and :yeah: .

Lawboy: Yes, a huge theory is that the body was not, in fact, dead. And that he has possibly just been drugged to appear dead, much like the white rabbit trick the Others pulled with Sawyer last night. Which makes me wonder....

Was not the episode where Jack chased Christian titled "White Rabbit"??? Coincidence?

Wow! Nice catch connecting the bunnies.

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ETA: one of the repetive themes in Lost are: "Lazarus moments". The episode before last, when Locke removed Eko from the cave was another figurative "resurrection"; Charlie coming back to life after being dead hanging in the tree, etc. And again (to beat a dead horse) nobody has had an autopsy. Charlotte came close waking up on the autopsy table, a day after her drowning.

vonnegut

10-26-06, 09:20 PM

I don't think Christian could survive in a coffin in a plane's cargo hold on a trans-pacific flight, let alone a plane crash.

Well, if we remember that the coffin was empty, apparently it wasn't required for Christian to survive in it during the flight.

Now whether he is dead and they just shipped the coffin empty for some reason... or whether the reason the coffin was empty is he is NOT dead... remains to be seen.

There is at least one thread that talks about this in great length, I believe.

As for the intercom...

As much as I would love to jump on the idea that it was actually Christian on the intercom, for some reason I think that Juliet was telling the truth... that the intercom doesn't work at all.

We've already seen numerous cases of the survivors "manifesting" things... horses, bald guys in bathrobes, etc. Hell, maybe Locke even "manifested" smokey (put that in your pipes and smoke it) (pun intended). Jack has already seen his dad in "White Rabbit" so to hear him in this instance isn't that surprising.

As for hearing Sawyer, I have a wild guess that Jack is, whether always or recently, a bit psychic himself.

3519273540

10-26-06, 09:50 PM

Well, if we remember that the coffin was empty, apparently it wasn't required for Christian to survive in it during the flight.

Now whether he is dead and they just shipped the coffin empty for some reason... or whether the reason the coffin was empty is he is NOT dead... remains to be seen.

There is at least one thread that talks about this in great length, I believe.

As for the intercom...

As much as I would love to jump on the idea that it was actually Christian on the intercom, for some reason I think that Juliet was telling the truth... that the intercom doesn't work at all.

We've already seen numerous cases of the survivors "manifesting" things... horses, bald guys in bathrobes, etc. Hell, maybe Locke even "manifested" smokey (put that in your pipes and smoke it) (pun intended). Jack has already seen his dad in "White Rabbit" so to hear him in this instance isn't that surprising.

As for hearing Sawyer, I have a wild guess that Jack is, whether always or recently, a bit psychic himself.

I'm referring to the theory that he's alive on the island and that he took some drugs to appear dead...

I Hate Seabillies

10-26-06, 10:22 PM

raises the question

This is the second post I have seen you correct the usage of "begs the question."

You're funny. (Not funny as in wrong, just funny that it bothers you that much.)

andfound

10-26-06, 10:29 PM

Now whether he is dead and they just shipped the coffin empty for some reason... or whether the reason the coffin was empty is he is NOT dead... remains to be seen.

That's what I was going to say. There's no reason to think they couldn't have sent an empty casket or one holding something other than Christian. Jack didn't open it to make sure his dad was there.

Darkshines

10-26-06, 10:48 PM

I'm referring to the theory that he's alive on the island and that he took some drugs to appear dead...
Like voodoo zombies? Hmm.....let me google it....

*edited to add zombie info*
Voodoo is still a popular religion in Haiti and in cities where Haitians have emigrated, such as New Orleans. Vodu is an African word meaning spirit or god. The black magic of voodoo sorcerers allegedly consists of chemicals, various poisons (perhaps that of the puffer fish) which immobilize a person for days, as well as hallucinogens administered upon revival. The result is a complacent, paralyzed, or brain damaged creature used by the sorcerers as slaves, viz., the zombies. (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/Voodoo%20is%20still%20a%20popular%20religion%20in% 20Haiti%20and%20in%20cities%20where%20Haitians%20h ave%20emigrated,%20such%20as%20New%20Orleans.%20Vo du%20is%20an%20African%20word%20meaning%20spirit%2 0or%20god.%20The%20black%20magic%20of%20voodoo%20s orcerers%20allegedly%20consists%20of%20chemicals,% 20various%20poisons%20%28perhaps%20that%20of%20the %20puffer%20fish%29%20which%20immobilize%20a%20per son%20for%20days,%20as%20well%20as%20hallucinogens %20administered%20upon%20revival.%20The%20result%2 0is%20a%20complacent,%20paralyzed,%20or%20brain%20 damaged%20creature%20used%20by%20the%20sorcerers%2 0as%20slaves,%20viz.,%20the%20zombies.)

http://skepdic.com/zombies.html

SpacedinLost

10-26-06, 10:53 PM

Yup, ditto and :yeah: .

ETA: one of the repetive themes in Lost are: "Lazarus moments". The episode before last, when Locke removed Eko from the cave was another figurative "resurrection"; Charlie coming back to life after being dead hanging in the tree, etc. And again (to beat a dead horse) nobody has had an autopsy. Charlotte came close waking up on the autopsy table, a day after her drowning.

Yep. I half-expected (ok, more than half expected; I reeeally expected) the dead woman Colleen to open her eyes last night after Jack coded her.

barondarby

10-26-06, 10:53 PM

I think Christian faked his own death. I think the Losties were brought to the island via the plane crash on purpose. I think Christian faked his own death because it was the only way he could get back onto the island.

Some more weirdness about Christian:
1. His picking the name Sarah for Ana Lucia when they were giving each other fake names. His daughter-in-law's name? Whazup with that?
2. When he met Sawyer in the bar, he said 'I don't have my wallet' and Sawyer bought drinks. When Jack went to Christian's room, he mentioned that it was strange that his father's wallet was there, but his father was not. Does that clue us in that his meeting Sawyer and Jack's arrival in Australia were close to the same time?
3. The book Desmond had, "Our Mutual Friend" is about a man who fakes his own death.
4. "A Wrinkle In Time" that Sawyer was reading, in a nutshell, is about kids searching for their father who has disapeared though a 'tesseract' or a wrinkle in time/space and has ended up on a strange planet that has been terrorized by a big black evil cloud monster...

Okay, that's my 2-cents worth... let's see how bad you guys beat me up!

vonnegut

10-26-06, 11:02 PM

For Christian dead/alive discussion, see these threads...

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21615&highlight=christian+alive

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24022&highlight=christian

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25491&highlight=christian

For intercom discussion...

See this thread.

:D

barondarby

10-26-06, 11:04 PM

How can we discuss whether it was Christian on the intercom without discussing if he is dead or alive?

I think it was Christian on the intercom...

vonnegut

10-26-06, 11:15 PM

How can we discuss whether it was Christian on the intercom without discussing if he is dead or alive?

I think it was Christian on the intercom...

We can totally touch on Christian's life or lack of, as it pertains to the intercom. But I'd like for this to not degenerate into another debate on whether or not he had an autopsy, blah di blah. And since I make all the rules around here and we must do as I say, I suggest you listen.

Oh... wait... we don't have to do as I say.

Nevermind.

:D

andfound

10-26-06, 11:17 PM

they gonna make jack and sawyer brothers; both sons of christian? that would be a bit much for me.

jmb3rg3r

10-26-06, 11:21 PM

How can we discuss whether it was Christian on the intercom without discussing if he is dead or alive?
Time-bending? The externalization of Jack's thoughts? Jack's memories are faked? Just to pick three...

sawyerhasbestlines

10-26-06, 11:58 PM

How can we discuss whether it was Christian on the intercom without discussing if he is dead or alive?

I think it was Christian on the intercom...

It's funny, even though I think Christian is alive, I distrusted the intercom. Or more specifically, I didn't take it as a live broadcast recording Christian. Just a tape recording to screw with Jack. And I think that's how Jack perceives it or he'd be mentally off the deep end. The question is: how did they get a recording of Christian, if Christian is dead? Desmond may be the key in answering this.

I was reminded more of the scene when Shannon got shot.

Benry likes to say they are not killers. But I think they are responsible for Shannon getting shot by using technology to manipulate others to do their dirty work.

jmb3rg3r

10-27-06, 01:18 AM

The question is: how did they get a recording of Christian, if Christian is dead?
Any explanation for this, and for them having tape recording of the specific phrase that was meaningful to Jack, would be so contrived that ghosts would be infinitely preferable.

johnnyhotspur

10-27-06, 02:06 AM

Another reason why Christian might well be alive is that SAWYER, in season one, heard the whispers say IT'LL COME BACK AROUND, SAWYER.

Who is the only guy at all who Sawyer could have told that line to? Christian Shepherd, in the bar. They were having a bit of a heart-to-heart in that bar before Sawyer went to work: I see Sawyer as going back in and telling CS how it went.

And then, the whispers say the same thing?

And then the intercom comes out with another personal line from Jack's past, which CS was also privy to?

CS must be in on it.

guitarman12

10-27-06, 02:16 AM

could be possible......

DreaminLost

10-27-06, 01:28 PM

IT'LL COME BACK AROUND...

Who is the only guy at all who Sawyer could have told that line to? Christian Shepherd, in the bar.
I remember the shrimp man saying those words to Sawyer before he died, but I don't remember Sawyer saying them to Christian.

Anyone remember which episode that was?

rvturnage

10-27-06, 01:42 PM

Outlaws, I believe. Sawyer didn't tell Christian the line. The poster was speculating that perhaps that happened off camera. Even if it did, though, that wouldn't explain how the voice was that of Duckett himself.

rvt

DreaminLost

10-27-06, 01:58 PM

Who is the only guy at all who Sawyer could have told that line to?

Gotcha.

RV, wasn't that phrase, It'll come back around, whispered by one of the Whisperers? Or was it whispered by Shrimp Man?

The voice on the intercom sounded like Christian to me.

Fierro

10-27-06, 02:02 PM

Didn't Jack tell Juliet that the x-rays were of a 40 year old male?

you are right:(

bigpappyblue

10-27-06, 02:47 PM

How can it be a con?
He went to Aus. to the morgue to ID the dead body........
Am I missing something here?

Read this one for all sorts of reasons why it's possible, that whole id'ing the body, shipping the body stuff has some real loose holes in it, pretty well hashed out here....

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25491

rvturnage

10-27-06, 03:50 PM

Gotcha.

RV, wasn't that phrase, It'll come back around, whispered by one of the Whisperers? Or was it whispered by Shrimp Man?

The voice on the intercom sounded like Christian to me.

The phrase was heard while Sawyer was hearing the whispers. But the voice saying it was the shrimp guys voice, just like the voice on the intercom was Christians voice.

Long Con

10-27-06, 03:53 PM

Christian is dead as Shannon and Boone!
Do we not remember Juliet telling Jack to eat and drink cause the drugs they put in him can do stuff to him? Can you say hallucination?!?!?!?!

He had a flashback with the exact line in it that he so called heard on the intercom. I will have to say he imagined hearing it. That makes sense, is logical and doesn’t have as many holes in it as swiss cheese!

redneck once removed

10-27-06, 03:59 PM

I still think him hearing Sawyer on the intercom was a mystical type thing, that the Island power or his Dad or whatever was making him hear it to reinforce not to trust the Others.

frogge

10-27-06, 05:36 PM

I'm finding it strange that right after Jack has a flashback where he remembers Christian saying the line, the intercom repeats it. And I agree, it sounded like Christian. This seems reminiscent of the whispers, too.

The only explanation that works for me is something that can read minds is at work. I suppose this is what we call Smokey. Further, Smokey seems to have trouble putting things in context, and is repeating thoughts back at random. Maybe it is 'imprinting' these thoughts, I dunno.

Either way, I don't see any reason why Juliet would be lying about the intercom, or any evidence the Others are involved. There are more direct ways to motivate Jack, and how do you explain the mind-reading aspect?

jmb3rg3r

10-27-06, 05:39 PM

DreaminLost

10-27-06, 07:43 PM

Bit of a threadjack here, but since I started the thread--here goes:

The only explanation that works for me is something that can read minds is at work. I suppose this is what we call Smokey.

When Kate decides to go out the top of her cage the rain starts to fall.

As soon as she decides not to run away, the rain stops.

It stopped before she said anything--she was thinking it--and the rain stopped.

If Smokie can read minds, it seems it can control the rain, too. But why?

*Saint*

10-27-06, 07:47 PM

Definately works in some way shape or form...in case you missed it, and in case anyone cares, here's a transcript (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1019957&postcount=409) of other voices heard in the first intercom scene, when Jack hears is Dad's voice.

And apparently, according to someone at thefuselage, the CC had this line in some of the static over the intercom in Every Man for Himself: "Have you seen what he's doing to Karl? It was a mistake bringing those two here"

That's paraphrased, but it apparently mentioned Karl. So, something's up with that intercom...

Hey, rv, at what point did they mention Karl?? That's pretty fascinating information right there!!!

*Saint*

10-27-06, 07:49 PM

The whispers -- like the sounds on the intercom -- seem to vacillate between things "in the present" and voices "from the past." If the whisperers are some kind of magnetic anomaly related effect, it's perfectly credible they could come through the intercom as easily as popping into someone's head.

The style of the intercom sounds -- particularly in the scene we're discussing -- was very very evocative of the whisperers...

Good point! We haven't heard much of the whispers right now...so are these two phenomenon (the intercomm voices and the whispers) related??

This is by far a stretch: but are there intercomms or speakers out in the Losties jungle?? I'm trying to figure out an explanation (at least a simple one) as to why they may hear things out there...

...but then again, I'm home sick and drugged up. I don't know what the heck I'm thinking right now. lol :confused:

rvturnage

10-27-06, 07:58 PM

Hey, rv, at what point did they mention Karl?? That's pretty fascinating information right there!!!

Funny you should mention that...we just finished going throught that scene to see what we could hear. Here's a transcript of that scene, which is the second time the intercom comes on in Everyman for Himself, just before Juliette comes to get Jack to operate on Colleen. Closed Captions had "Karl" listed in what we have as "Colleen" in #3. It could possibly be "Cole" (Colleen's nickname) or Karl, but it sounds much more like Colleen to us. And after seeing the CC put things like "It's your bed, Juliet" in the scene where they're taking Colleen past Sawyer and Kate and Tom obviously says "She's hurt bad, Juliet"...I think CC screwed this episode all up. :)

Also, there may be one or two other lines that were just too faint to be sure of. The ones labled "Speaker" seem to actually be Others speaking (I'd guess Pickett as Seaker 2), but we could be wrong. #4 seems to be the only really "hidden" voice in that it doesn't belong to the other two guys and they can't seem to hear it. It's got it's own mp3, and is very difficult to hear.

here's the audio file (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s3e4/second%20intercom-EMFH.mp3)

1. Speaker 1: (Everythings) under control (.5 sec)
2. Speaker 2:yeah? (2.35 sec)
3. Speaker 2: You know what he's doing to Colleen? (3.09 sec, note CC had "Karl" instead of Colleen)
4. Anyone hear what the comm/con is saying (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s3e4/anyone%20hear.mp3) (4.19 sec)
5. Speaker 1: the man knows what he's doing (5 sec)
6. Speaker 2 it was a mistake bringing those two here (7 sec)

rvt

rvturnage

10-27-06, 08:01 PM

Good point! We haven't heard much of the whispers right now...so are these two phenomenon (the intercomm voices and the whispers) related??
I think the first time the intercom came on and we hear Christians voice is related to the whispers. I think the second and third time, that occured in Every Man For Himself, were not related to the whispers, but to an Other that wanted jack to know what was happening.

This is by far a stretch: but are there intercomms or speakers out in the Losties jungle?? I'm trying to figure out an explanation (at least a simple one) as to why they may hear things out there...

...but then again, I'm home sick and drugged up. I don't know what the heck I'm thinking right now. lol :confused:

Well, a poster in the whispers thread at thefuselage found this interesting discovery while Ben was taking Sawyer for a walk up the hill:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1189&pos=861

it appears to be loudspeakers hung on a post in the background. While I'm partial to the whispers being more of a mind reading/mental projection thing that the losties actually hear in their heads, the presence of these loudspeakers in the middle of nowhere is a pretty powerful hint that there may be speakers on the the losties island too.

juanbong

10-27-06, 08:04 PM

Well, a poster in the whispers thread at thefuselage found this interesting discovery while Ben was taking Sawyer for a walk up the hill:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1189&pos=861

it appears to be loudspeakers hung on a post in the background. While I'm partial to the whispers being more of a mind reading/mental projection thing that the losties actually hear in their heads, the presence of these loudspeakers in the middle of nowhere is a pretty powerful hint that there may be speakers on the the losties island too.

I have seen this same shot like 3 times before and never put 2 and 2 together.

I still don't think that the Others could have that many intercom speakers all over the island. But then again.....

rvturnage

10-27-06, 08:07 PM

I have seen this same shot like 3 times before and never put 2 and 2 together.

I still don't think that the Others could have that many intercom speakers all over the island. But then again.....

well, so far, we've only heard the whispers in the jungle on what, 4 occasions, out of the hundreds of times the losties have ventured into the woods...so the speakers wouldn't have to be "all over" the island. :)

I'm holding out for mind reading, though. :)

*Saint*

10-27-06, 08:10 PM

Well, a poster in the whispers thread at thefuselage found this interesting discovery while Ben was taking Sawyer for a walk up the hill:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displa...m=1189&pos=861 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1189&pos=861)

it appears to be loudspeakers hung on a post in the background. While I'm partial to the whispers being more of a mind reading/mental projection thing that the losties actually hear in their heads, the presence of these loudspeakers in the middle of nowhere is a pretty powerful hint that there may be speakers on the the losties island too.

I am so glad you linked this picture!!! I noticed that while watching the episode last night on iTunes. Now, granted, they are on the Others' "Alcatraz" island...but it's completely plausible that these speakers are on other parts on the Losties island...

juanbong

10-27-06, 08:13 PM

well, so far, we've only heard the whispers in the jungle on what, 4 occasions, out of the hundreds of times the losties have ventured into the woods...so the speakers wouldn't have to be "all over" the island. :)

I'm holding out for mind reading, though. :)

You and me both...

AnimaGemini

10-27-06, 09:45 PM

Yes, a huge theory is that the body was not, in fact, dead. And that he has possibly just been drugged to appear dead, much like the white rabbit trick the Others pulled with Sawyer last night. Which makes me wonder....

Was not the episode where Jack chased Christian titled "White Rabbit"??? Coincidence?

That's a very good point! Considering the way they like to mirror things that happened in the past (the flashbacks as well as the more recent past on the island) with things that are happening in the present, I wouldn't be surprised if BOTH white rabbits turn out to be alive. Ben conned Sawyer with one white rabbit, maybe he's conning Jack with another. Maybe he was never dead, or maybe he WAS dead and isn't anymore. The island is known to have many mysterious powers. Resurrection seems a stretch, but you never know. *Christ*ian? lol. Could be possible! :)

Right now, though, I'm leaning towards the theory that the Island is somehow manifesting the Losties subconscious thoughts (e.g. personal demons from their pasts) as either visual or aural hallucinations (Christian; the whispers) or dreams (Locke; Eko) These also seem to manifest themselves in animals (Sawyer's boar; Kate's horse.) It appears that the island is almost trying to help the Losties overcome their pasts, IMO. So Christian's voice on the intercom could just be one more example of this phenomenon. "Let it go, Jack." Sounds to me like the island is choosing to speak in a voice familiar to Jack. It's fairly common in science fiction for paranormal entities (and the island is treated like a paranormal entity on the show) to read one's mind and then take on the form of somene or something that is familiar to them, like a father.

I hope I didn't venture too far off topic there! *Throws two pennies down the hatch*

*Saint*

10-27-06, 09:51 PM

Uhm, well, in regards to Christian being dead or alive...I'm watching CSI Miami from Monday (thanks to OnDemand) and one of the guys faked his death by using small amounts of blow fish poison...

So it's completely possible to fake a death, but whether Christian did it and is now over the intercomm??? I still have no clue...:(

LightSide/DarkSide

10-28-06, 03:17 AM

*Saint*

10-28-06, 06:13 AM

Perhaps Christian's voice coming over the intercom is an example of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon). This would support the theory that CS is actually dead. Could CS be trying to communicate with his son from the other side? :ghost2:

Oooh!!! Like "White Noise" (awful movie, but interesting phenomenon!!!) :ghost2: :ghost2: :ghost2: :ghost2:

rvturnage

10-29-06, 04:40 PM

And, hears a transcript of the first intercom scene with Sawyer screaming, including the "stick a needle in the Sawyer" scene preceeding it. lines 1-5 are virtually inaudible during the broadcast, but we amplified them.

Audio file is here (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e4/sawyer%20intercom-EMFH.mp3)

EMFH: Sawyer waking up on the operating table and the first intercom scene
1. voice 1: No we shouldn’t do this (0 sec)
2. voice 2: just stay on okay/ just stay focused ( 1 sec)
3. Benry: And... (2 sec)
4. I'll check Goodwins house (3 sec)
5. unitelligable whisper (4.5)
6. Tom: where do I start, in the two days since the sky turned purple, we’ve been blind our comms are all down and I can’t get them up again and in case you forgot Colleen’s in critical (5.25)
7. Benry: Juliet’s taking care of her (16)
8. Sawyer: Ahhh, where am I? (19)
9. Sawyer: what the hell are you doing to me? Let me up
10. Benry: Jason.
11. Sawyer: let me up
12. Jason: bite down on this please
13. Sawyer: you bite down on it
14. Ben: its for the pain.
15. Sawyer: Wait. Wait let me up. no.
14. Benry: God I hate needles.
16. Sawyer: No. No. What are you doing.
17 Sawyer: Wait
17. unintelligible whisper (56 sec possibly free 'em)
18. Sawyer: wait what are you doing,
19. what happened (1 min spoken quickly, possibly Sawyer screaming)

lockerates

10-29-06, 05:10 PM

if the room jack is being kept in used to be an aqurium, then why the hell does it have an intercom? this has been bugging me for a while, i assume the room the tv is in is the veiwing room for the aquarium room jack is in, if it isnt then why does it have an emergency button?

DreaminLost

10-29-06, 06:30 PM

And, here's a transcript of the first intercom scene with Sawyer screaming, including the "stick a needle in the Sawyer" scene preceeding it. lines 1-5 are virtually inaudible during the broadcast, but we amplified them.

RV~ Great job!

This was heard over the intercom?

These whisperers are more mystifying to me than the dang numbers ever were!

rvturnage

10-30-06, 12:53 PM

RV~ Great job!

This was heard over the intercom?

These whisperers are more mystifying to me than the dang numbers ever were!

Actually only about the last half of this was over the intercom...the first half was the scene right before that...it came in from a commercial break, and Sawyer was just waking up, and the first few seconds you don't hear anything really, but then Tom is talking about the purple light and stuff. This is when they shove that stick in Sawyers mouth, and then it cuts to Jack in the cell and the intercom comes on....

Commedia Del'Lost

10-30-06, 02:37 PM

Tubby

10-30-06, 03:27 PM

Jack could have hallucinated Christian's voice.

- The horse
- Christian's appearance to Jack
- "It'll come back around"
- Dave
- The whispers

The island is a vertiable Disneyworld of visions & hallucinations.

I tend to go for this theory.

Much as I hate the expression "Jump the shark" (wayyyyyy overused on this board) it truly will if Christian Shephard is alive and on the island.

rvturnage

10-30-06, 03:46 PM

Jack could have hallucinated Christian's voice.

- The horse
- Christian's appearance to Jack
- "It'll come back around"
- Dave
- The whispers

The island is a vertiable Disneyworld of visions & hallucinations.

The issue I have is that fact that two people saw the same horse at the same time, and that multiple people have heard the whispers at the same time.

that doesn't sound like hallucinations to me.

juanbong

10-30-06, 04:03 PM

The issue I have is that fact that two people saw the same horse at the same time, and that multiple people have heard the whispers at the same time.

that doesn't sound like hallucinations to me.

And Shannon and Sayid "saw" Walt in the jungle at the same time.

DreaminLost

10-30-06, 04:58 PM

If the Whisperers can read minds--

It'll come back around
Let it go, Jack

As well as reading Kate's mind to make the horse appear, etc.

Then why do they even need to whisper to one another? They should already know what the other Whisperers are thinking.

Right?

jmb3rg3r

10-30-06, 05:04 PM

Then why do they even need to whisper to one another? They should already know what the other Whisperers are thinking.

We don't know that the whisperers are actual sounds. They may be heard in the mind.

DreaminLost

10-30-06, 05:12 PM

Oh my God. It makes my head hurt.

rvturnage

10-30-06, 05:42 PM

We don't know that the whisperers are actual sounds. They may be heard in the mind.

Exactly. Apparently when people "hear voices in their head", they hear them as if it's coming from outside their head...but no one is there speaking. Check out this NPR report on schizophrenia, from 2002. It has a multimedia link that was put together and is typical of what someone hears when they are "hearing voices"...very much like the whispers.here's the article (http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2002/aug/schizophrenia/). The one with the pharmacy, has a real voice, the pharmacist, and then the whispers start, quietly at first, and then getting louder...While the visuals aren't that great, the audio is unreal. It is long, but the first few bit as the voices build, and around 1:45-2:00 really exemplifies it.

Of course, this is a bit of a threadjack since it's whisper centric...

rvt

DreaminLost

10-30-06, 05:49 PM

Man, that was disturbing! But that's exactly what the Whisperers sound like.

So could schizophrenia be the sickness?

jmb3rg3r

10-30-06, 05:57 PM

Or schizophrenia is an inability to filter psychic input from the minds of others people/entities.

jmb3rg3r

10-30-06, 06:00 PM

Interesting the sound FX on that simulation resonate rather strongly with those on LOST as well.

DreaminLost

10-30-06, 06:06 PM

Or schizophrenia is an inability to filter psychic input from the minds of others people/entities.

*shivers*

seymour.w

11-03-06, 05:13 AM

It seems clear that Yemi was just an incarnation of smokie. Could smokie be behind all the appearances of people/animals on the island? If it can read your memory, and take different forms, then doesn't that explain a lot of the visions including Christian in season 1 ? Also didn't the creators say that we can see smokie in the pilot and that we all missed it or something like that? Now that we know smokie can take on different forms, we should look again and see what we come up with.

jmyers2

11-09-06, 03:54 AM

Was thats alexs voice saying try the door? or was it someone else that wanted jack to see jack and kate in the cage together. I think jack is up to something more than he is leading to.

Lost In His Eyes

11-09-06, 03:56 AM

It could have been Alex. But Juliette said something about Alex 'being brought home' or something like that.

Fierro

11-09-06, 04:02 AM

It was Juliet

LightSide/DarkSide

11-09-06, 04:05 AM

It sounded like Alex's voice over the intercom to me. They didn't seem to know how Alex got over there the first time. Maybe she went back?

SimonO

11-09-06, 04:10 AM

It was Alex. In my opinion, she was put up to it by Juliet who wanted Jack to see Sawyer and Kate in their naked embrace, thus depriving Jack of th only thing keeping him from wanting to get "the hell off the Island".

Alex could have done that to avoid further punishment. She was then sent home, as Juliet later relayed to Ben.

JacksGirlfriend

11-09-06, 04:11 AM

Merging into intercom thread.

LostInWilderness

11-09-06, 04:12 AM

Juliet's proclamation that the speaker hasn't worked in years is obviously bull. That speaker is a tool for Ben and Juliet to play games.

jmyers2

11-09-06, 04:16 AM

dude why dude u move the thread it has nothing to do with the intercome working or not what a crock

BigBoogie

11-09-06, 04:57 AM

Jmyers, I would agree, that has nothing to do with this thread.

If it really was Christian, don't you think he'd have something better to say.

LostInWilderness

11-09-06, 05:03 AM

dude why dude u move the thread it has nothing to do with the intercome working or not what a crock
If you would speak English, I'm sure somebody would acknowledge your post.

hoovnasty

11-09-06, 05:09 AM

Why doesn't anyone give smokey any props? that thing *cough*the devil*cough* is running the island *cough*hell*cough*

and don't jump all over me bleeding hearts I have stood by that since early in season one and of course the holier than thous shot it down.

It's going to happen and I will laugh; the man with fifty something meager posts will have his vengence!!! mwhahahahaha!!!

deus ex machina bitches!!

clayseason1

11-09-06, 11:24 AM

Juliet's proclamation that the speaker hasn't worked in years is obviously bull. That speaker is a tool for Ben and Juliet to play games.

So the intercom (which Jack was told is broken and hasn't worked in years) wakes Jack up and a voice tells him to try the door. The door (which is always locked) is now unlocked and Jack walks out and eventually finds the monitors showing Sawyer and Kate.

It seems rather obvious that this was a set-up so Jack, after seeing Sawyer and Kate together, would capitulate and perform the surgery. So the intercom speaking to Jack and the unlocked door was part of someone's plan. So the "others" told a big, fat lie about the intercom not working. Of course, that leads us back to the other times Jack heard information from the intercom. Those instances must also be intentional on the "others" part, right?

If that's the case (and it appears to be), was that Christian (alive and well) telling Jack to "let it go"? If it wasn't, how did the others get a recording of Christian's voice saying "Let it go, Jack"?

DesmondSaysBrutha

11-09-06, 01:17 PM

sawyerhasbestlines

11-17-06, 02:45 PM

One of several discussions about Christian's autopsy/if he was embalmed. If he had his own character sub forum, all this could be contained, and there'd be less overlap.

azteclady

11-17-06, 07:19 PM

shbl :flowers:

:D

sawyerhasbestlines

11-20-06, 09:27 PM

^^^:awwhug:

LostViking

11-27-06, 12:09 AM

Those instances must also be intentional on the "others" part, right?

If that's the case (and it appears to be), was that Christian (alive and well) telling Jack to "let it go"? If it wasn't, how did the others get a recording of Christian's voice saying "Let it go, Jack"?

Such good questions! What are we to conclude - Is alex on Ben's side? The locked door was open as CS points out, so surely Jack was given information through the intercom that he did not already have "try the locked door - it is now open" That is a little too specific to be imagined by Jack. So what we heard must have been real. I agree CS.

Is it possible that the intercom is not what jack was hearing, but instead some type of Thought Projection device? That could explain why jack heard his dead father's voice and alex.

Wait, did jack ever hear alex before?? scratch that. :)

clayseason1

11-27-06, 10:24 AM

Is it possible that the intercom is not what jack was hearing, but instead some type of Thought Projection device?
We were shown two - without a doubt - situations where Jack heard something that was real (and also intentional from the others).
1. When Sawyer got the needle in his chest - Jack got to listen in on Sawyer's "torture".
2. Whoever told Jack to try the door - which was clearly a set up.

So we have two clear instances where Jack heard exactly what the others wanted him to hear. So, we know that "the intercom is broken" is a big fat lie. So, then it follows that the other times Jack heard something - were also messages that the others wanted him to hear.

LostViking

11-27-06, 08:20 PM

Well, that depends how you look at it. Clearly, there were two times that Jack "heard" information that he couldn't have known. We the viewer heard it as well. But it is possible for the speaker to still not be the source of those whispers - voices that Jack heard.

I think whatever whispers were heard in the jungle and whatever jack heard came not from a speaker - but from some device that projects words and thoughts into peoples heads. That is why the voice was Christians - thats why Kate heard her dead father - thats why the boar spoke the dying mans words to Sawyer. The Machine projects the thought - the person "hears" it with their own interpretation.

clayseason1

11-27-06, 09:13 PM

The Machine projects the thought - the person "hears" it with their own interpretation
Interesting idea.....
Along that thought, I wonder if Locke would have seen Yemi's burned remains inside the beechcraft if he had looked.

LostViking

11-28-06, 04:25 AM

We will never know since the Losties never talk to each other. ;)

You know you may be on to something - kind of like the Dave/Hurley scene. Hurley "sees" Dave - but no one else does.

I think that is a pretty big mystery still - Was Christian really walking on the island - or was it an image being projected in jack's mind? I tend to think Christian (and Dave and Yemi and black horses) was a projection - if for no other reason than the fact that he asked Kate if she saw him and she could not. There was also the "stilted" way christian was moving throught the jungle.

But what a good question - was Yemi's body really there? I sure hope we eventually know enough to answer this!

Homer Noodleman

12-02-06, 06:35 AM

I've never believed Jack's father is still alive.

If you watch the scene from White Rabbit, where he first sees his father in the episode, Jack and Kate walk away from the camp. Kate stops and he continues on a step or two until he turns around and faces her. The plane's wreckage, that is the camp, can be seen over her shoulder. He emotes a bit, and then looks up and sees his father standing in the water, directly in front of where the camp would be. He looks away for a bit, then when he and Kate look at the spot where his father was there is nothing. Curiously, and I'm not a big fan of the notion of Vincent being Smokey, the next scene is a shot of Vincent running down the beach.

At any rate, his father couldn't possibly of been standing knee deep in the water in front of the camp without being seen. Thus, I think his father on the island has always been a vision.

That means his father over the intercom would be a vision (or a hearing I guess). That would lead me to believe the other noises over the intercom are visions also. The Others are not be the only group/entity manipulating Jack IMO.