Why didn't Locke try harder to save Eko?

[HealMeJack]

Did anyone else get the idea that Locke was only semi-interested in saving Eko this last episode, saying multiple times "we're all going to the same place" and choosing to leave a very ill man alone in a dangerous jungle multiple times instead of rushing to his aid.

-- First he sends out dumb and dumber to go look for Eko, who come back and report that they didn't see any trails, "not that we would know what a trail looks like." Locke OR Sayid could have done a better job, and chose not to?

-- Second, instead of rushing after Eko once they figure out where he's going, Locke slowly gathers up his stuff and invites everyone and their brother along to slow things down.

-- Third, once he meets up with Eko and there's no Yemi body in the plane, Locke lets Eko run off by himself once again to go get killed.

What do you guys think?

[Quark]

Locke believes that everything on the island happens for a reason. Therefore, Eko was following the path he was "destined" to follow and if Locke was supposed to save him (again), he would know what to do and how to do it when the time came.

[monster]

dont mistake coincidence for fate !

[AreYouLost?]

I think a lot of this has to do with the shady writing in this episode...I do not believe TPTB originally planned to kill of Mr. Eko's character the way they did. Things wern't right in this episode, characters abandoned who they really were, and acted very strange all around. I think the reason Locke didn't try harder to save Mr. Eko's life was because TPTB needed Mr. Eko to die. That is it.
On another note...the finale that is taking place next week I hope and pray will be true to the character's and plot unlike this last episode.

[Lawboy]

One reason. Simple really. Locke wanted to keep the Jesus Stick.

[longlostluvr]

Did anyone else get the idea that Locke was only semi-interested in saving Eko this last episode, saying multiple times "we're all going to the same place" and choosing to leave a very ill man alone in a dangerous jungle multiple times instead of rushing to his aid.


Thank you for bringing up this issue, HealMeJack (btw: love the moniker). I feel that every point you've made is totally valid and I'm glad someone's brought it up. I've been far too distraught to point fingers, but now that it's out in the open, I blame Locke!
Don't get me wrong, I :heartpump Locke as much as the next person (and he is my second favorite character), but I can't help but feel that he could've done more to aid poor EKO prior to his beat-down by Smokie. Sure, I'm all on board with the whole fate & destiny crap we've been fed since day one, but Locke, Charlie, etc. were all incredibly laid-back and unconcerned about our near-fatally wounded (three times!), recovering, delirious, grieving, EKO wandering around the jungle in search of his deceased brother's remains.

In this situation, I say, Locke totally lunched. Sorry, but I just feel that more could've been done for their "friend," Mr. EKO. Seems like Locke was more concerned with revisiting the Pearl for a possible clue as to how to locate J/K/S than tracking down EKO (and incidentally, doesn't Locke hate both Jack & Sawyer anyway?). I'm sure I'll be ripped to shreds for this post, so have at it!

If Locke hadn't screwed things up so badly in the season two finale, our friend, EKO might still be safely seated in the hatch entering the numbers.

Rant finis.

[Luthiena]

I, also, blame Locke. I don't really like Locke, anyway, but, I agree with everything everyone's said here. If he had just pushed that flipping button... :mad:

[bricarguy]

Maybe simply Locke felt he shouldnt doubt Ecko, after all, Ecko pretty much proved Locke totally wrong in regards to the Button. So true to character or not, I think that Locke didnt feel that he should doubt him. Also, I doubt they would have guessed that smokie was waiting for him.

[timbo910]

He didn't try hard because Eko was a huge ass at camp. He was a huge pre-madonna and would ask for rewrites all the time when they were doing the island play and he was demanding to be released from his contract with the lostie theater group. I'm glad he's dead.

[Crandyman]

Locke knew that stopping Eko was NOT an option. Eko put a knife to Locke's throat at the mere mention of Yemi's name. Locke knows as well as anyone that when someone believes in something so passionately on this island that there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Do you honestly believe that Locke was going to stop Smokie or the Island from doing what it was going to do?

[bricarguy]

He didn't try hard because Eko was a huge ass at camp. He was a huge pre-madonna and would ask for rewrites all the time when they were doing the island play and he was demanding to be released from his contract with the lostie theater group. I'm glad he's dead.

Hmmmmm....

Thats kind of a personal slant that shouldnt have to do with the story.

[odditie]

I think you are making this out to be something it's not. Locke on several occasions has let people do their own thing, in the episode even he lets people decide if they want to come with or not. He doesn't force people to follow his rules, he just lets them do what they want.

[Crandyman]

He was a huge pre-madonna .

??...He came before Madonna..the singer??

[bricarguy]

??...He came before Madonna..the singer??

I dont care who you are, thats funny right there.

[Crandyman]

I think you are making this out to be something it's not. Locke on several occasions has let people do their own thing, in the episode even he lets people decide if they want to come with or not. He doesn't force people to follow his rules, he just lets them do what they want.


Very true. For the most part, Locke let's people make their own choices, for better or for worse.

[mzsandeestar]

He could have left at least one person out of the hatch so someone would be keeping an eye on EKO.
Then we could have had Smokey trashes Eko and Paolo.
It would have been a better scene for Paolo than just flushing.

[bricarguy]

Whats with all the Paolo hatred?

[longlostluvr]

Locke knew that stopping Eko was NOT an option. Eko put a knife to Locke's throat at the mere mention of Yemi's name. Locke knows as well as anyone that when someone believes in something so passionately on this island that there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Do you honestly believe that Locke was going to stop Smokie or the Island from doing what it was going to do?

Good point about the knife threat. I'd almost forgotten about that.
I will, however, give Locke props for risking his own life when entering the den of the polar bear (WTF?) and torching its face off. I also understand that Locke is of that mindset where he believes that one should follow their heart, or bliss, or whatever. However, he knew that the man was ill and delirious and not quite right in the head. Just seems like the overall attitude was like, "well, EKO's gonna do what he's gonna do" and then "BAM," dude's dead.

Edit:
The pre-Madonna thing was funny, but I'm far, far too polite to point out other's mistakes (psst.."prima donna").

[Skywalker]

I think to be fair, Locke had already saved Eko. And he didn't really consider that Eko was in danger. To a certain extent, Locke was meant to save Eko from the bear - but everything after that would just play out in any old way - with no real control from Locke. Also, don't forget Locke hasn't seen the smoke monster in a while so may not have considered the danger it posed.

[rknorton91]

I think you are making this out to be something it's not. Locke on several occasions has let people do their own thing, in the episode even he lets people decide if they want to come with or not. He doesn't force people to follow his rules, he just lets them do what they want.

Not quite in my opinion. Locke has been in some ways in touch with some force on the island ( I might even argue he has been in touch with two different forces on the island at various times) This force gives him some sort of vision and direction. I think in many instances he has used this knowledge to actualy push/con/ or just so gently guide a person in to doing what he believes is the "islands vision"
He helped to develop some of Walt powers possibly. While at the smae time eventualy successfuly healed a broken father-son relationship that Micheal and Walt had going on (that relationship connection is later utilized)
He fostered a relationship with Ethan. And then all but allows Ethan to take Claire for the purpose of conditioning of the unborn baby.
He all but put the rifle in Micheals hands and trained him how to use it so that Micheal could leave on his journey and then did pretty much everything he could to stop Jack from finding him.
Despite all indicators that Ben is a bad person Locke still develops a relationship with the guy and promises to keep him safe.

I think Locke knew that what was going on with Eko was what Locke thinks of as the island wanted it to happen. Thus he did not try to interfere with Eko's moves, in fact one item the first post left out was that I think Locke actualy helped push Eko by giving him his brothers cross. I think this act emboldened Eko to go ahead and go through with finally facing up to the confession

[rknorton91]

Whats with all the Paolo hatred?

You gotta admit his lines have been pretty mediocre... naw even that is to nice and the whole thing with him seems to be pretty tried over all.

Personal I think he could have done much better if they got that one dude from Aliens just saying over and over again "Were F..in dead meat man" "Hey if she's so F..in smart why don't we let her lead?" talking of Nikki ofcourse :)

[The_Lurker]

Did anyone else get the idea that Locke was only semi-interested in saving Eko this last episode, saying multiple times "we're all going to the same place" and choosing to leave a very ill man alone in a dangerous jungle multiple times instead of rushing to his aid.

-- First he sends out dumb and dumber to go look for Eko, who come back and report that they didn't see any trails, "not that we would know what a trail looks like." Locke OR Sayid could have done a better job, and chose not to?

-- Second, instead of rushing after Eko once they figure out where he's going, Locke slowly gathers up his stuff and invites everyone and their brother along to slow things down.

-- Third, once he meets up with Eko and there's no Yemi body in the plane, Locke lets Eko run off by himself once again to go get killed.

What do you guys think?
Taking your points one at a time:

1. Locke pretty much knew where Eko was headed. Sending Charlie and Hurley just kept them from getting in his way.

2. Again, Locke knew the destination and knew they'd catch up.

3. He probably didn't think Eko was up to the task of climbing that ladder down into the Pearl and back up. I'm sure he didn't expect smokie to come along and beat Eko to a pulp.

[odditie]

Not quite in my opinion. Locke has been in some ways in touch with some force on the island ( I might even argue he has been in touch with two different forces on the island at various times) This force gives him some sort of vision and direction. I think in many instances he has used this knowledge to actualy push/con/ or just so gently guide a person in to doing what he believes is the "islands vision"
He helped to develop some of Walt powers possibly. While at the smae time eventualy successfuly healed a broken father-son relationship that Micheal and Walt had going on (that relationship connection is later utilized)
He fostered a relationship with Ethan. And then all but allows Ethan to take Claire for the purpose of conditioning of the unborn baby.
He all but put the rifle in Micheals hands and trained him how to use it so that Micheal could leave on his journey and then did pretty much everything he could to stop Jack from finding him.
Despite all indicators that Ben is a bad person Locke still develops a relationship with the guy and promises to keep him safe.

I think Locke knew that what was going on with Eko was what Locke thinks of as the island wanted it to happen. Thus he did not try to interfere with Eko's moves, in fact one item the first post left out was that I think Locke actualy helped push Eko by giving him his brothers cross. I think this act emboldened Eko to go ahead and go through with finally facing up to the confessionBut yet he jumped up and ran when they heard the security system. How many times have they heard it before, they don't react like that often, he was running to help if something happened, not waited to let someone have something happen for their destiny. Locke is a good guy who tries to help someone, like helping Charlie stop using or help Walt, but he also is a person that lets people be who they are, and he doesn't demand them to listen to him unless that's what the island demands and they are getting in the way of that.

[john_locke]

Its not Locke's fault Eko died at all...

[barondarby]

Locke believes that everything on the island happens for a reason.

But he didn't seem like he believed that after he decided to stop pushing the button and said "I made a mistake!"

This episode was disapointing to say the least... Nikki being the one to ask, in the Pearl, what the other TVs were for? Locke saying "I feel really stupid" for not doing that? Paulo flushing the toilet? It's almost like TPTB read some of our posts here and decided to wrap up lots of loose ends quickly, without much thought...

[LockesEkko]

eko did not want lockes help nor did he ask. it wasnt lockes place to "save" him, it was ekos place to ask for forgivness i guess. didnt make a whole lot of sense to me for him to be killed either way...

[Quark]

But he didn't seem like he believed that after he decided to stop pushing the button and said "I made a mistake!"

His "mistake" was due to his loss of faith in what he believes the island represents. The vision he had about cleaning up his mess has restored him to his previous state of mind.

[barondarby]

His "mistake" was due to his loss of faith in what he believes the island represents. The vision he had about cleaning up his mess has restored him to his previous state of mind.

If Locke truly believes everything on the island happens for a reason, why would he even go rescue Eko in the first place? Why would he say he was going to go after J/K/S? How can you clean up a mess if everything happens for a reason, how could anything even be considered a 'mess?' Eko's 'mess' didn't have anything to do with his being on the island at all.

[Quark]

If Locke truly believes everything on the island happens for a reason, why would he even go rescue Eko in the first place? Why would he say he was going to go after J/K/S? How can you clean up a mess if everything happens for a reason, how could anything even be considered a 'mess?' Eko's 'mess' didn't have anything to do with his being on the island at all.

IMO Locke believes the island allows him to be the man he feels he was meant to be and that he is guided by some force. His vision directed him to clean up the "mess" that put Eko in danger after the hatch imploded. "Everything happens for a reason" doesn't mean that no one has to do anything. The "reason" can be to create a situation where someone proves their worth - even if only to themselves -, for example. In saving Eko, Locke regained his confidence in his abilities. He is now acting as the group leader since J/K/S are missing in action. It's now his purpose to try to save them, if he can.

[monster]

I think there is clashes of systems and belifs on the Island,
Locke fits a bit the profile of the noble savage, or at least it seems like Locke is influenced a lot by the tribal concept of thinking.,,,
To me he represents many things for example,the shaman,tribalizm,nomadic,pre-civilized societies. In theese societies there was no goverment no state, it was up to everyman to make his own deciscions.

Maybe Locke felt that Eckos god Yawhe could save him if he existed?

And to me Ecko represents the christian system, a patriarcalic system based on strict hierachy. And you are not allowed to think freely, you hve to follow the program(con.fess). And for Ecko one could say "his own belifs killed him".


And then the "others" represents the modern western societies, the imperialistic, colonial, based on how they live and how the village looked .

And there will be constant clashes between these ways of thinking.

[worker&parasite]

I agree that there is no way Locke could have helped to save Ecko even if he had rushed after him as soon as they noticed he had gone. Not only that but in the episode with the Pearl, Ecko was following a dream that he had about Yemi, the dream led them to discover the new station. Therefore when Locke heard that Ecko had been calling for his brother in this episode, he could have easily believed that it was once again a calling from the island, and what with Locke's recent sweat lodge bug out, he'd be even more convinced that Ecko had to follow the calling of the island.
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[dp2]

It's very simple. Last time Locke questioned Eko, he "was wrong". He started to question him again, and he got a knife to his throat. And he's not one to tell someone what they can't do (well, except Charlie).

[Ekobomb]

Thank you for bringing up this issue, HealMeJack (btw: love the moniker). I feel that every point you've made is totally valid and I'm glad someone's brought it up. I've been far too distraught to point fingers, but now that it's out in the open, I blame Locke!
Don't get me wrong, I :heartpump Locke as much as the next person (and he is my second favorite character), but I can't help but feel that he could've done more to aid poor EKO prior to his beat-down by Smokie. Sure, I'm all on board with the whole fate & destiny crap we've been fed since day one, but Locke, Charlie, etc. were all incredibly laid-back and unconcerned about our near-fatally wounded (three times!), recovering, delirious, grieving, EKO wandering around the jungle in search of his deceased brother's remains.

In this situation, I say, Locke totally lunched. Sorry, but I just feel that more could've been done for their "friend," Mr. EKO. Seems like Locke was more concerned with revisiting the Pearl for a possible clue as to how to locate J/K/S than tracking down EKO (and incidentally, doesn't Locke hate both Jack & Sawyer anyway?). I'm sure I'll be ripped to shreds for this post, so have at it!

If Locke hadn't screwed things up so badly in the season two finale, our friend, EKO might still be safely seated in the hatch entering the numbers.

Rant finis.

Nono, you see I'm afraid you have it all wrong.

Mr.Eko would still be alive if he listened to Policeman when he was pulled over, but he chose his own fate, and payed the price, an angry grey cloud threw him around like the 20-second CGI rendered ragdoll he was.

[juanbong]

Moving to Character Interactions forum.

Thanks.

[Farmer Ted]

How come Locke didn't try CPR on Eko when he was lying there all dying and stuff? He just let the guy croak.

[snakey]

I just re-watched the last 5 episodes from the fall, I wanted to watch the first one mostly. I wanted to see otherville again, but I somehow taped over it, I'm so pissed at myself but back to the subject. Seeing them again it is very obvious Eko was going to die. First the polar bear gets him (that could have been smokey too), locke has his vision and saves him. He is brought back to camp and put in a tent, the tent catches fire and another attempt to kill him is thwarted when they drag him out. Then he keeps having evil Yemi visions and thinks he can find him at the plane/Pearl station, he is at a creek drinking and sees Smokie creeping up to do him in again. When John sees Eko, Smokie retreats (not for long). The group goes down the hatch to use the bathroom and look for info on other hatches. Eko stays alone and Smokie delivers a painful end, thru all this Eko is reliving pieces of his bloody life in Nigeria. No matter what John did, Eko was going to die, by fire, polar bear, whatever Smokie could conjure up but he was dead man walking. What an actor AAA is to make us sympathize with this character, who easily could have just come off as a brutal killer. Now I'm ready for Wednesday, no way can TPTB not address the mystical nature of the island in these next episodes, Smokie is no security system.

[Hodgepodge]

...thru all this Eko is reliving pieces of his bloody life in Nigeria. No matter what John did, Eko was going to die, by fire, polar bear, whatever Smokie could conjure up but he was dead man walking...Remember Snakey, according to "Smokey", all Mr. Eko had to do was repent! Now, I got the impression he still was going receive the coup de grace, but that's speculation on my part. So, I agree with your assumption, Mr. Eko was a dead man walking (loved the movie too). I thought it took a brave man to stick to his guns. I even used a paraphrase in a sig I used. 'I played the hand I was dealt!' :cry:


...What an actor AAA is to make us sympathize with this character, who easily could have just come off as a brutal killer...I couldn't agree more. This character could've come off as nothing but a brutal gang leader. But the actor, and I'm not going to forget the writers, gave us a very complicated, 3 dimensional character. At least they, got one thing right last season! :nanabobo:

[snakey]

I agree Hodge, if he gave in to the demand from evil Yemi to beg forgiveness he still would have died. The fire and Polar bear attempts to kill him were before this so we can figure it wouldnt have mattered, especially knowing AAA wanted to leave the show and they seemed to have wanted him gone.

[Bob Sacamano]

Locke was never supposed to save Eko - the message from Locke's sweat lodge trip was to save himself after his pattern of mistakes. He had misinterpreted his dreams twice before - Locke's mission has always been to climb that cliff himself:

Reality. Boone dies.
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Locke's Dream.
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Reality. Eko dies.
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Locke's trip. Post implosion.
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He finally climbs up himself.
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So by hunting Eko and eventually leading him to his death, Locke now finally understands what he needs to do. He needs to follow the inscription on Eko's stick: Lift up your eyes, and look north. That's the reason Eko died - to help John find his way.

Locke's Amazing Journey

1. Each one of us was brought here for a reason.
Miracle................................Light .................................Hunter
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Don't tell me what I can't do.


2. Don't mistake coincidence for fate.

Coincidence.........................Fate ..................................Mistake
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Why did you do this to me?


3. The path ends at the hatch.

Hatch.................................Button...... ..........................End
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I was wrong.


4. Clean up your own mess.
Awake................................Dream........ .........................Reality
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Thank you for helping me find my way.

[Hodgepodge]

Excellent post BS, I now see the light! Thanks for opening my eyes. :)

[Lostintranslation666]

Im almost under the impression that it was a no win situation. I agree that he was going to be killed regardless, i think that if he had repented, Smokie would have said he gave up and stopped believing that he had done only what he could to survive in his life..

[Hodgepodge]

Im almost under the impression that it was a no win situation. I agree that he was going to be killed regardless, i think that if he had repented, Smokie would have said he gave up and stopped believing that he had done only what he could to survive in his life..Definitely agree Lostintranslation666! But didn't you love the way he went out? I'll never forget that scene. :cry:

[Lostintranslation666]

I will never forget the way he was killed either.. It takes a brave man to stare down the unknown and not shy away..

[Bob Sacamano]

Thanks Hodge - here is the ballad of Eko and Yemi.
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Our Cross To Bear


1. Have you forgotten how you got that cross, brother?
Kill.....................................Save .................................Survive
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You saved my life once and now I'm here to save yours.



2. How can you say this is meaningless?
Sin.....................................Fate .................................Destiny
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And I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. Amen.



3. Things I need to remember.
Yemi...................................Priest..... ..........................Church
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He says you were a good priest.



4. Do not mistake coincidence for fate.
Fate...................................Coincidence ........................Mistake
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I did not ask for the life that I was given. But it was given, nonetheless. And with it... I did my best.
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There is something else important to this story - which really includes Locke, Eko and Desmond. If we agree that Locke's destiny was not The Swan, that's not to say that the button pushing was not important to the source of Locke's dreams. The fact is that the Island already had a button pusher in Desmond. One who's faith was restored by Locke's banging on the Hatch. DESMOND: 3 days before you came down here, before we met, I heard a banging on the hatch door, shouting. But it was you, John, wasn't it? You said there isn't any purpose -- there's no such thing as fate. But you saved my life, brother, so that I could save yours. So by misinterpreting his mission, Locke sends the button pusher running into the jungle. He picks up the task, but he quickly became frustrated and depressed - and the Pearl video was the last straw. It was never Locke's destiny to push the button - so the source of these dreams and visions called on Eko to do two things:

1. Get Locke out of the Swan and back into the Jungle.
2. Replace Locke as the next button pusher.

[Hodgepodge]

Beautiful BS. Just beautiful!*OK, I said I wasn't going to :cry:*


There is something else important to this story - which really includes Locke, Eko and Desmond. If we agree that Locke's destiny was not The Swan, that's not to say that the button pushing was not important to the source of Locke's dreams. The fact is that the Island already had a button pusher in Desmond. One who's faith was restored by Locke's banging on the Hatch.

DESMOND: 3 days before you came down here, before we met, I heard a banging on the hatch door, shouting. But it was you, John, wasn't it? You said there isn't any purpose -- there's no such thing as fate. But you saved my life, brother, so that I could save yours.

So by misinterpreting his mission, Locke sends the button pusher running into the jungle. He picks up the task, but he quickly became frustrated and depressed - and the Pearl video was the last straw. It was never Locke's destiny to push the button - so the source of these dreams and visions called on Eko to do two things:

1. Get Locke out of the Swan and back into the Jungle.
2. Replace Locke as the next button pusher.
Today 09:28 AM
I'd like to get you opinion on something. There are those who believe there are two entities on the island. If I'm not mistaken, LIW is one. I don't want to get into, one's good and the other evil. But you mention that Locke's destiny was not the Swan. But I remember the episode All the Best Cowboy's Have Daddy Issues.

Somewhere along the trek to find Claire and Charlie, Locke became engrossed in another agenda. I'm not saying he didn't see two sets of tracks leading in two different directions, but when he left Jack and Kate he was in search of something else. And it wasn't the kidnapped duo. Remember him asking Boone, "don't you feel it?" Right after this statement, they find the Swan. I guess I'm asking, where do you stand on the two entity debate?

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd like to get you opinion on something. There are those who believe there are two entities on the island. If I'm not mistaken, LIW is one. I don't want to get into, one's good and the other evil. But you mention that Locke's destiny was not the Swan. But I remember the episode All the Best Cowboy's Have Daddy Issues.

Somewhere along the trek to find Claire and Charlie, Locke became engrossed in another agenda. I'm not saying he didn't see two sets of tracks leading in two different directions, but when he left Jack and Kate he was in search of something else. And it wasn't the kidnapped duo. Remember him asking Boone, "don't you feel it?" Right after this statement, they find the Swan. I guess I'm asking, where do you stand on the two entity debate?Hodge, the key words in your question are "on the island." We now have to ask "which island" since we know that there are at least two.

Do you agree that the power cable Sayid found coming from the ocean leads to Ben and Co's island? I think that's very likely, but what irks me is that we haven't seen any CCTV monitors that Ben can access to spy on Craphole. Those comms were likey lost during the implosion.TOM: 2 days since the sky turned purple. We've been blind. Our comms are all down -- I can't get them back up again. But, we know that Patchy has access to at least the Pearl Hatch, the Pearl had surveillance set up to monitor the Swans, and Craphole appears to be where the hatches were installed - not Ben's island.

So that puts Patchy as a likely entity on Craphole. If he was on Ben's island he would be experiencing the same problem with the comms.

The dirty feet kids are there as well. I now think that the kidnappings the tailies experienced at night vs. the dirty feets appearance during the day points to the strong possibility that what Jin and Eko saw were not part of Ben and Co's costume party. Truff may yet be right - that there are other Others.

Patchy's connection to the dirty feets, whispers, visions and Smokey is my current obsession. Not a heck of a lot to go on there, but he was wearing Dharma coveralls, like Kelvin and Desmond. Ben's insistance that the Swan "is a joke" and Tom's childlike explanation of the "sky turning purple" lead me to believe they have no idea what was going on from Radzinsky - to Kelvin - to Desmond. They were not aware of the importance of the button and didn't realize that their 'eyes and ears' would be rendered useless as result of not pushing it.