Child on the Island?

[LordFlies]

What about those dolls Jack found. I think they found a kid shoe in the first show.

[JacksGirlfriend]

There were a bunch of dolls. I think it was a shipment in the cargo hold. And the shoe in the tree was small - but I think it was a woman's shoe.

JacksGirl

[azteclady]

I too think the dolls were just too many and too much like expensive collectibles to be any child's toy.

I'm iffy on the shoe, because the plane was carrying a few hundred passengers, and some of them were bound to be children.

But the shot of the white shoe on the first few seconds of the pilot now is tied with the white shoes Jack sees his father wearing, and with the whole theme of the show - white rabbit indeed.


Beto
love the foreshadowing and the red herrings

[Lothiriel of Rohan]

I was wondering about the dolls as well. Was this the same plane that Jack and the others were in when it crashed or was it another plane? Someone mentioned this might be a crash of a plane that had occurred many years before and Jack happen to come upon it. I could not tell from the scene if this was suppose to be an older plane or part of the plane Jack and the rest of the survivors were on.

Any thoughts?

[azteclady]

The dolls seemed to be in too good a condition to have been exposed to the elements more than a few days. I think it's part of the fuselage that broke before the middle section made it to the beach.

I'm not sure how the writers plan to justify (if they ever do, indeed) the plane disintegrating over the island, yet such a big section, in comparison, making it practically intact to the beach... *shrug* But if the mid-section was dropping bits and pieces over the trees on its way to the beach, that would explain Jack waking up in the trees (with the blasted red-herring white shoe), and Kate walking toward the beach from the trees (when she sews Jack up), and Charlie being alive and joining the rest of the survivors (of course, his flashback will probably prove me wrong).


Beto

[Lost in Translation]

If it was an older plane, I'm sure the coffin and dolls would have been much more weathered when jack found them. Surely the one in the water would not have been in suce pristine shape. Definitly the same plane.

[Lothiriel of Rohan]

Well if the wreckage Jack found the coffin in is part of the same plane Jack and the others were in when it crashed but just landed in another part of the landed , then Rose's statement that her husband is still alive could be true. Her husband and others could have landed in another part of the island intact in the part of the plane they were in.

Any thoughts on that?

[Lost in Translation]

It's certainly a possibility now that we've seen this other wreckage. Maybe a big guest star on sweeps month will have survived.

[pirate2323]

They were smuggling drugs inside the dolls which were inside the coffin. Just in time for Charlie and Jack.

[Lothiriel of Rohan]

pirate2323...:rollin Jack did not find any drugs in the part of the plane he found and Jack does not use drugs. Why would he use the coffin to smuggle drugs?

[cgt]

Sorry should have been in another thread.

[martianprobe]

Because Jack and Charlie are in the same band and were using the casket to smuggle drugs back to South Dakota. Didn't you watch the first episode?

[LordFlies]

Not true
>The coffin was for Jacks Dad..

[WhereRwe]

I mentioned this on a different thread....

The doll in the water and the other ones scattered about where probably just in the hold of the plane. The dolls appear to be antiques, not a child's toy. The doll in the water could not have been there very long because it would have had algae growing on it. Plus, the debris field that Jack discovered didn't have jungle growth growing through it. Jungles tend to reclaim things left laying about for years. The coffin would had had things growing on it. The plane part would have had vines or something growing on it if it was from an old crash. All the debris was too fresh, too clean, not weathered to have been there long.

WhereRwe

[Leafy]

It looked like some of the dolls still were in boxes, and they were all the same. Cargo fer sure, IMO. The doll in the water was creepy. Why did he pick it up if there were all those others laying around? It looked like the one in the water had its bloomers pulled down too. Eyew! But :lol anyway.

[WhereRwe]

Another thought just struck me about the doll in the water. She represented the woman who drowned that Jack couldn't rescue earlier in the show. Jack needed to confront the fact that, due to circumstances beyond his control, he won't be able to save everybody. People have free will. They will do things and get into situations that he has no control over, so he needed to see that while he may be the "hero figure", he just plain can't save everybody, no matter how hard he tries. Just like he couldn't take his father back home. The crash changed everything and he needed to see things in a different light.

WhereRwe