View Full Version : Fenry isnt evil (Juliet Is)
Does anyone else here see the possibility that It isnt in fact Fenry that is the evil corrupt one of the others, but Julliet. It first became sort of apparent when she didnt tell him that Alex wanted to talk to him, and she has a laid back, nonchalant yet ruthless attitude as demonstrated by sawyer saying that Juliet WOULD have killed Kate when held at gun point. Mabye she WANTS fenry dead so that she can take over the others and systemically eradicate the rest of the losties, while using Jack to her advantage.
Seems Iv'e read this before!
Lost In His Eyes
11-09-06, 03:34 AM
I trust Benry more than I trust Juliette. She seems... off. Or something. I just dont like her. She seems more sinister than Benry.
LostInWilderness
11-09-06, 03:36 AM
Juliet just needs help handling her muffins.
Lost In His Eyes
11-09-06, 03:38 AM
... LMAO
Way to keep on topic. ;)
cinderellabop
11-09-06, 03:38 AM
There's a thread with almost the same topic in "Guys..." Ironically, that one was there first, so I don't see the point in moving this...
Gettin' Lost
11-09-06, 03:41 AM
She seems to be sick of following orders.
Lost In His Eyes
11-09-06, 03:43 AM
She seems power hungry to me. Like she thinks SHE should be the boss. The impression I got is that she want Benry out of the way so she can climb the power ladder.
Mr. Cluck
11-09-06, 04:02 AM
I trust Benry more than I trust Juliette. She seems... off. Or something. I just dont like her. She seems more sinister than Benry.
I'll tell you who's sinister. It's those clucking Pistons that are sinister. Cluck, they might as well be "HIM!" :cool:
LostInWilderness
11-09-06, 04:04 AM
Hungry and muffins in the same thread. The great winter finale spawned sophmoric humor and little else. Except Jack was cool, for once.
GerfalconCP
11-09-06, 04:19 AM
it's obvious that Juliet is the more evil of the two. her whole plan about the others wanting change is bull. SHE wants change and SHE wants to be the leader ... did you see how Pickett and Tom reacted when Jack threatened to kill Henry? They still want him arond. Maybe it's Juliet and the people back at the "home base", but I honestly think it's just Juliet that wants the change. It's obvious that Juliet didn't tell Benry that Alex wanted to see him, so she's just lying. I like her character though and I like where they could go with this (plus, it looks like Juliet's flashback is the next episode (in FEB, unfortunately) but at least we'll learn more about her directly after the hiatus!)
it's obvious that Juliet is the more evil of the two. her whole plan about the others wanting change is bull. SHE wants change and SHE wants to be the leader ... did you see how Pickett and Tom reacted when Jack threatened to kill Henry? They still want him arond. Maybe it's Juliet and the people back at the "home base", but I honestly think it's just Juliet that wants the change. It's obvious that Juliet didn't tell Benry that Alex wanted to see him, so she's just lying. I like her character though and I like where they could go with this (plus, it looks like Juliet's flashback is the next episode (in FEB, unfortunately) but at least we'll learn more about her directly after the hiatus!)
I don't know how "evil" I can see Juliet being. I mean when we first saw her she was crying and burned her muffins. Doesn't seem very evil. Now, I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate Ben's death because he cheated on her, and also maybe because she wants to run the show, but I wouldn't consider that "evil." Misguided, maybe, revengeful, definitely, but not evil.
It just had another sinister realization...what if Benry is actually the french chick's husband who was 'diseased', and he is Alex's father. That would explain some of why he isnt as sinister as he is made out to be, and would explaing why alex wanted to talk to him.
I dont know why, but I trust him in the fact that he will bring Jack, Kate, and Sawyer off of Alkatraz if he lives, and that his life has direct consiquinces on the life of The three (If he dies, their all going to die, if he lives, they will probabally be freed)
Personally, I believe that Benry is in no way an evil person. I believe that he was thrown into a specific set of conditions, and was forced to make do with his life. As he became used to it, he had to take on a sinister apperance, to mask his true somewhat innocence. Juliet seems to be masking sinister nature with a kind and upfront ''trustable'' nature.
Benry also showed some signs of complete and total fear when he was looking at the T.V. screens and ordered them to take Kate away. His face was nearly petrified with fear when he thought that his tumor would slowly kill him, and that his only hope, a miracle from the sky, distrusted him, and trusted that coniving little Juliet.
If Benry is evil, then EVERYONE is skrewed, since that means that the others protecting him are evil as well, since they are sticking up for their evil leader. This would throw everything out of whack, and the Juliet would actually be the one who WAS innocent.
JULIET IS THE ANTICHRIST
JULIET IS REALLY REALLY THE ANTICHRIST
And Juliet can EASLY be faking the emotion and fear with an acting mask.
It is even implied in her very name...Juliet...one of the best known names from a play in history.
I dont Trust her
LostInWilderness
11-09-06, 04:35 AM
Juliet never made soup for Ben. And how about that incredible hamburger?
Hamburgers...YUMMY
She was just playing Jack...like everyone else...ever
And she will attempt to continue playing Jack...like everyone else...ever
And she will succeed in playing Jack...like everyone else...ever
And then Jack will figure it all out, and be angry at her...like everyone else...ever
Sawyer'sChick
11-09-06, 04:41 AM
I think that Ben has the god complex and a prideful Juliet is playing lucifer to it... his brightest and best wants to take over.
I also agree completely that he is probably Alex's father...
Althought if he was, why didn't Danielle say so when she caught him in her net? Hmmmmmm
Ben isn't all evil... he is a "fair" judge and man of his word... We just don't know the whys yet of what he does.
If there is one thing a con man like Sawyer would know... how to read some one, and he has read her.
so,evil (ben) vs maybe not evil (juliet)
what has juliet done? we see ben's evilliness.
LostInWilderness
11-09-06, 04:57 AM
I think that Ben has the god complex and a prideful Juliet is playing lucifer to it... his brightest and best wants to take over.
So who's evil? The mortal with the god complex, or the mortal with the lucifer complex thwarting the first?
Nobody is evil in Lost. It's a better show than that.
Sawyer'sChick
11-09-06, 05:08 AM
So who's evil? The mortal with the god complex, or the mortal with the lucifer complex thwarting the first?
Nobody is evil in Lost. It's a better show than that.
I didn't say either of them were evil.
Just that Benry has been the master mind and I don't think he is evil, I am sure he has very good reasons for what he does... we just don't know what it is yet. Juliet is COLD... there is something wrong.
Just a symbolic observation of their relationship.
Ben chokes up when he is going to hurt someone...Juliet is a cold born killer...as shown by sawyer reading her. She is just too laid back to trust.
Without Dane
11-09-06, 10:13 PM
Ben chokes up when he is going to hurt someone...Juliet is a cold born killer...as shown by sawyer reading her. She is just too laid back to trust.
"As shown by Sawyer reading her?" I'm sorry, but that's not proof.
Juliet is definitely gonna be good. There are a handful of things in this show that are for certain. A "Juliet/Ben" reversal is way too obvious.
Docteurmad
11-09-06, 10:28 PM
Juliet never made soup for Ben and she chose a book he would not like. She is obviously the evil one.
Luthiena
11-09-06, 11:14 PM
Juliet never made soup for Ben and she chose a book he would not like. She is obviously the evil one.
I agree! :Cheers:
Is there a Juliet hate-club around here?
As seen in the reply during the recent teaser for the 3.5th season, the only person that Juliet cares about is herself, and whatever crazy torture scheme she has planned for the denizens of the island...Zombies:confused: :confused: :confused:
melostmo
01-26-07, 05:39 AM
Ben chokes up when he is going to hurt someone...Juliet is a cold born killer...as shown by sawyer reading her. She is just too laid back to trust.
agreed
There's obviously a change in juliet from the opening scene of S3 to the current island time. Maybe the reason she's so cold is the death of some of the others. Maybe she was involved with Goodwin or Ethan. Now they've been killed by the losties and all because they followed ben's orders to go infiltrate. So, she's mad at the world, but ben and the losties get a little extra focus.
Hodgepodge
01-26-07, 04:55 PM
This is an interesting discussion. Hopefully, no one minds if I move it to the new Character Interactions (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=121) forum. ;)
The witch and the warlock, I wouldn't trust either of them.
It all depends on how you define evil, many heartless and agonizing things are done in the name of science. The Others probably wouldn't see themselves as evil no matter how much pain or loss they've caused any creature unfortunate enough to cross thier path.
Juliet seems to be in a power struggle with Ben, she strikes me as true believer in the original Dharma initiative, something they may have drifted from. It could be the Dharma version of faith vs science.
Hodgepodge
01-26-07, 11:34 PM
...Juliet seems to be in a power struggle with Ben, she strikes me as true believer in the original Dharma initiative, something they may have drifted from. It could be the Dharma version of faith vs science.I'm so intrigued with the conflict between Juliet and Ben. Thos flashcards brought a whole other element into play.
Was she being true when she asks Jack to kill Ben on the operating table? Was it a ploy to test his loyalty? Which if it was, how do you, "take it back" so to speak? I'm really looking forward to this little drama being played out! :)
I can't see it being a ploy to test Jack's loyalty, they haven't formed enough of a connection for her to use it a test.
I'm also suspicious of the theory that Ben might have been in on it as yet another mind game. He may have big ones but let himself be unconscious on an operating table with a captured angry man slicing him open is just stupid.
The rest of the medical team seems to be slightly inept, and if even if they weren't Jack could do enough damage in one slice to paralyze Ben for life.However if he actually believed Jack's will was broken by sitting in tank being hand fed homemade soup and burgers by Juliet then he is stupid.
Juliet is the new Kate, she's bound to have layers of hidden motivations and a dual personality, it may be quite a while before we really know what's she about, but she's not all sugar and light.
I don't see her wanting to be a leader in the same sense as Ben or Jack, both of them are highhanded, charging about expecting people to what they say because they say it. She wants a happy little Otherville with all of the members being on the same footing. She might be as iron willed and forceful about getting the rest to do what she wants, but her style would be very different.
Rather of not she wants to leave the now that things may be falling apart is the new question. If Ben survives she may want to go, at least until she could gather support from the Losties. I think she will end up among them, but will it be to start a new life or use them?
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