View Full Version : Benry, Locke, and the Tumor
OK, You guys can blame this on the fact that I am sick and have a fever. It may be affecting my thinking and logic. Here goes:
I've been thinking about Benry and the tumor and Locke and the reason he was in the wheelchair. Also how Benry's tumor is affected by the island and the electromagnetics.
I'll start with Benry's tumor and the island. The interesting thing about the snowglobe theory. If Ben had a week before the tumor was inoperable in real time would he have longer on the main island? Why didn't he just go over to the main island to get healed? It makes me wonder if the electromagnetics have a different effect on the Others. Maybe they dont affect them or maybe they affect them differently. That could be why the Others don't spend a lot of time on the main island. Do you think that Ben's tumor could have been caused by his prolonged time in the Hatch as a prisoner? Maybe the electromagnetics have an adverse effect on the others b/c they "grew up" on the island? Maybe the electomagnetics don't have an effect at all b/c they "grew up" on the island?
I am also wondering about the connection between Ben, Locke, and the tumor. What if Locke had a similar tumor to Ben and that is why he ended up in the wheelchair? Maybe they came for Locke to study him and see why he was healed? Could that mean that Ben and Locke are related? Some types of tumors are more likely to occur in siblings. I think this is why Ben came to get Locke himself, because they are related.
Thanks to LPU, ILE, and Sugar for their help!
*hopes not to get flamed* Don't forget I'm sick! LOL :p
aggiesean
11-09-06, 09:02 PM
I like your thinking there, though if it were the case, I'm not sure that Locke is the person that Ben should be talking to. In "S.O.S." we learned from the healer in Australia that there are locations of power that help certain people. Locke and Rose found theirs in the island; perhaps Ben's isn't the island, but somewhere else.
:Cowdance:
It is interesting to take into consideration the effects the anomaly would have on someone who has lived there his whole life. I also think that you gotta look hard at "time" as an option now, considering the x-rays were taken just a week before and Ben should've been pushing up daisies in real-time.
yoyoj06
11-09-06, 10:42 PM
only problem is that ben said locke was "one of the good ones"
drabauer
11-09-06, 10:53 PM
aggiesean said:
In "S.O.S." we learned from the healer in Australia that there are locations of power that help certain people. Locke and Rose found theirs in the island; perhaps Ben's isn't the island, but somewhere else.
A great point. I always felt that the whole point of that flashback was to leave the writers's wriggle room, if they decided they wanted to introduce a sick person on the island. It's just not Ben's <lame>frequency,</lame> or something.
tewkewl74
11-10-06, 05:02 PM
Why does ben even have a Tumor?
The island healed Locke and... what's her name... the Black Lady in her 50s.
Ben lives on the island too (the houses are actually on the island, not on the hydra hatch island as explained by tbtp). He should be healed.
This makes not logical sense.
Darkshines
11-10-06, 05:04 PM
Why does ben have a Tumor?
Well, sometimes when a mummy and a daddy love each other very much...
Oh, wait, wrong ''big talk''.
Tumours can occur naturally from anything, remember when Rose coudln't be healed in Austrailia because it ''wasn't the right place for her'', maybe the island isn't the right place for Ben. Or not pushing the button made him sick. Or something.
buckaroobonzai
11-10-06, 05:06 PM
I believe we now know they are not on the island.
They are on an adjacent island a couple mile away.
My guess is because they know how dangerous the main island is.
But I still understand your point.
Wouldnt it be interesting if Ben was caught on the island by the losties cause he was there trying to shrink the tumor.
tewkewl74
11-10-06, 05:06 PM
i don't agree. but it's a possiblity...
buckaroobonzai
11-10-06, 05:07 PM
Tumours can occur naturally from anything, remember when Rose coudln't be healed in Austrailia because it ''wasn't the right place for her'', maybe the island isn't the right place for Ben. Or not pushing the button made him sick. Or something.
Great point
chromis
11-10-06, 05:10 PM
Well, we don't actually have proof the the island has healed anybody, that's just speculation. If it had healing powers, why would anybody die when they get injured? They should just heal and continue to live.
IMO, the island affects the Others differently than it affects the crash survivors.
We've already seen other references to this:
The Sickness - Rousseau, Desmond (and the Others, can't remember atm) have all referred to a disease, which so far no crash survivor has contracted.
Fertility - It seems likely that the Others are infertile. (They kidnap children and have a fertility doctor on staff). The survivors are still able to procreate, or at least seem so until more time has passed.Perhaps being born on, or spending long periods of time on the island changes how it affects people. If so, it's not a large jump to posit that the island's healing powers don't work on a "native" or long-term resident.
marshall2u
11-10-06, 05:35 PM
Well, we don't know with absolute certainty that the island healed Locke or Rose.
We don't know what caused Locke to lose the use of his legs. It might have all been in his head.
With Rose, we only think she's healed because she says she "feels" healed. That doesn't mean that she is. They have only been on the island for a couple of months. People can live months and years with cancer before dying.
That's the thing about Lost. It's brilliant writing. They give us enough info to be dangerous with our theories and guesses, but not enough to be absolutely certain about most anything. We think we're sure about a lot of things on the island, but in fact we can only be 98% sure.
LockesEkko
11-10-06, 05:43 PM
perhaps the island only heals those it sees as worthy......
colonelmustard
11-10-06, 05:54 PM
Well, we don't know with absolute certainty that the island healed Locke or Rose.
We don't know what caused Locke to lose the use of his legs. It might have all been in his head.
With Rose, we only think she's healed because she says she "feels" healed. That doesn't mean that she is. They have only been on the island for a couple of months. People can live months and years with cancer before dying.
I am with you here. I don't assume the island has healing properties.
lostbyme
11-10-06, 06:13 PM
Or not pushing the button made him sick.
Ben discovered the tumor two days before the plain crashed.
Guess I should've put that in as a disclaimer on my last post... I agree, we have no proof of any of those things. Healing, the sickness, infertility, etc... these are all just assumptions we the viewers have made, or have been led to believe by the writers. =)
That's the thing about Lost. It's brilliant writing. They give us enough info to be dangerous with our theories and guesses, but not enough to be absolutely certain about most anything. We think we're sure about a lot of things on the island, but in fact we can only be 98% sure.
Aye, 'tis so true, brutha. I'd even put it at a much lower percentage than 98... like maybe 50. =)
omniscient1
11-10-06, 06:27 PM
hey everybody,
i dont know if u noticed this, it was
kind of hard to see and stuff, but- oh yeah
before i go on any further, this is kinda of a spoiler-
anyway, im not sure, but i think that i saw that mr. eko
was killed by the smoke beast. anyways, hope i didnt
ruin anything for you. please reply to your thoughts on this
sad and possibly true matter. good day.
cant believe it. :(
Darkshines
11-10-06, 06:29 PM
I thought it was after? :confused:Ben discovered the tumor two days before the plain crashed.
omniscient1
11-10-06, 06:31 PM
u thought was was after, oh and also, i didnt
ruin anything for you did i? i dont think many
people caught it, but hes def. a gonner.
Darkshines
11-10-06, 06:33 PM
I thought Ben said ''two days after I find out I have a tumour, a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky''..........
marshall2u
11-10-06, 06:36 PM
hey everybody,
i dont know if u noticed this, it was
kind of hard to see and stuff, but- oh yeah
before i go on any further, this is kinda of a spoiler-
anyway, im not sure, but i think that i saw that mr. eko
was killed by the smoke beast. anyways, hope i didnt
ruin anything for you. please reply to your thoughts on this
sad and possibly true matter. good day.
cant believe it. :(
I know you're being a smart alec, but, do you know exactly what killed Eko? How do you know it's smoke? How do you know it's a beast/monster? We all call it the smoke monster because it looks like smoke and acts like a monster. That is not enough info to make a 100% determination as to what the darn thing is. Like I said, they give us just enough info to allow us to strangle ourselves with our our theories.
PS. Is your shift key broken?
omniscient1
11-10-06, 06:38 PM
your right, i was just making my entrance being a smart alac, but yeah i agree. but what do u think it is? and what do u think it means by lift up your eyes and look north? and also, John 3:05, bible verses dont have 0s coordinates maybe??
marshall2u
11-10-06, 06:50 PM
your right, i was just making my entrance being a smart alac, but yeah i agree. but what do u think it is? and what do u think it means by lift up your eyes and look north? and also, John 3:05, bible verses dont have 0s coordinates maybe??
To be honest with you, this show is getting craizier by the episode. I only started watching this show because it was alluded to that everything that takes place could be explained through science. After watching a bit of the first season on DVD, I concluded that that was just false. It kinda pissed me off, but I still enjoyed the show and still do to this day.
The problem is, after 54 episode, the writers have created so many mysteries and introduced so many new things, it's impossible to keep up. It's like taking one step forward and two steps back. I'm falling further and further behind, and it's getting to be a bit frustrating.
Although the whole overall tone of the show and it's characters have changed this season (rather dramatically, IMO), I still like the show, and I love coming here and reading what others think.
Getting back to your original question.....I have NO freakin clue! :nanabobo:
Lost_Lee
11-10-06, 07:56 PM
Here are my thoughts on Ben and his 'Tumor'.
There is no proof that Ben even has a tumor. The way I see it is that Juliette seems to want Ben dead whatever happens. If he really has a tumor and supposedly has only weeks to live, then why did Juliette ask Jack to kill him during the operation he was asked to perform? Wouldn't it be easier just to let him die naturally if he did have a tumor? Seems to me that Juliette has faked the x-rays to make Ben have a operation for no reason. I personally do not believe Ben has a tumor.
Any more views?
jack is a spinal surgeon afterall, i think he could spot a fake. and if not by the x-ray, he was bound to find out after cutting him open. the tumour is real, juliette's reasons are uncertain, and i'm sure there are more 'sides' among the others, not just juliette who presumably wants him dead and ben&co who dont :)
and with this jacob guy and ben not necessarily being the big-boss, oh there are so many ways the show can go. lovely
9mile monster
11-10-06, 09:39 PM
Ben doesn't act as if he has a spinal tumor at a lumbar sacral vertebrae. He seems to move around well enough. He doesn't appear to be in any pain. The way the x-ray looked, the tumor was buldgeing and should have created pressure on the spinal column and nerves that would result in some sort of interference with his movement. He doesn't appear to be in any pain either. Maybe Ben has cranked himself up with enough heroin to dull any pain caused by the tumor.
torrent
11-11-06, 02:12 AM
"Ben having cancer" is clearly a plot point thought up by the writers during the creation of Season 3, to give Ben that extra edge of dramatic depth. Never mind that it's completely inconsistent with previous events.
I think this is a great idea.
What if the Other's interest in the island is to determine what makes it help certain people, like Rose and Locke, in order to figure out how to make it heal Benry? Perhaps they don't realize that there are other locations like this one around the world that might help heal him, so he is trying to determine how to make this one do the trick.
lostbyme
11-12-06, 07:04 AM
I think this is a great idea.
What if the Other's interest in the island is to determine what makes it help certain people, like Rose and Locke, in order to figure out how to make it heal Benry? Perhaps they don't realize that there are other locations like this one around the world that might help heal him, so he is trying to determine how to make this one do the trick.
Then why they kidnapped Walt and Claire and not Locke and Rose?
juanbong
11-12-06, 10:59 PM
Merging both Ben and his tumor threads.
Thanks.
Then why they kidnapped Walt and Claire and not Locke and Rose?
Well, I never said that they knew the Island healed them both. Although they probably knew Locke, and Benry said he was coming to the Hatch for John.
oh mah from so long ago! Is it relevant now? :D
BUMP! :D
Mysterious Mike
03-22-07, 02:54 AM
Nice foxxie
Ben just isn't in tune with the island the way Locke is , it doesn't fix him because he doesn't believe in the power of the island itself.
Nice foxxie
Ben just isn't in tune with the island the way Locke is , it doesn't fix him because he doesn't believe in the power of the island itself.
Thanks! I remembered mah old old thread! :D
and yesh...you may be right...either that or it has to do with the fact that Ben was born on the island...which could make him react differently to the "mystical" properties.
12titles
04-24-07, 05:43 PM
Why does ben even have a Tumor?
I have a new theory on why Ben now has a tumor. I have been reading a book called The Maker's Diet that details God's original diet for Jewish people. (No pork, shellfish, bleached breads, etc).The interesting part that relates to Lost is that the author details case studies about primitive people and their non-existent cancer rates (along with no cavities, diabetes, etc). These cultures did not have access to modern foods but had to eat wild game and natural grains/fruits/veggies. Only after being introduced to the modern diet did these cultures experience cancer, tooth decay, diabetes, and so on…
So, Ben has lived on this island his whole life in good health, eating wild game and home grown foods until….Dharma arrives with modern foods… It may be nothing, but it is interesting that it parallel’s the case studies of other primitive cultures and their reactions to outside foods…
Hodgepodge
04-24-07, 06:27 PM
I really like this 12titles!
And, :welcome:
mesolost
05-04-07, 12:43 AM
What if Ben's tumor is something other than cancer? Wasn't Juliet able to impregnate male mice? Who's to say she didn't, unbeknownst to him, impregnante Ben. Just to see if it would work!
Hodgepodge
05-04-07, 02:28 AM
Mesolost, let me welcome you to Lost-TV, I'm sure you're going to enjoy the community. Before wondering off, make sure and read the New Member Welcome (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25440) post and introduce yourself in the same thread. Also, be sure and read the Rules and Guidelines (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1361508#post1361508). They're both here to help make your stay a happy one. Now to your post.
What if Ben's tumor is something other than cancer? Wasn't Juliet able to impregnate male mice? Who's to say she didn't, unbeknownst to him, impregnante Ben. Just to see if it would work!When Jack removed the tumor from Ben's spine, he said it didn't look cancerous. Are you trying to imply that what Jack removed was somehow a pregnancy gone wrong? :confused:
And again, :welcome:
mesolost
05-09-07, 01:04 AM
That's exactly what I'm implying. If women cannot carry children to term, and Juliette can impregnate male mice, :idea: why wouldn't they attempt to impregnate the men? Reproduction is obviously of utmost importance to them.
Hodgepodge
05-12-07, 11:27 PM
Moving to the Character Interactions forum for continued discussion.
sgtdraino
05-19-07, 06:58 AM
I've got it.
Ben got a tumor because... Jacob gave it to him.
If Jacob can heal cancer in people, then I reckon maybe he can cause it as well. Heck, maybe Jacob somehow transfered Calamity Jane's cancer to Ben.
Why?
Because Jacob is on the outs with Ben. Ben is a manipulating evil bastard, Jacob finally figured it out, and was attempting to get rid of him.
Thoughts?
Hodgepodge
05-19-07, 11:17 PM
I've got it.
Ben got a tumor because... Jacob gave it to him.
If Jacob can heal cancer in people, then I reckon maybe he can cause it as well. Heck, maybe Jacob somehow transfered Calamity Jane's cancer to Ben.
Why?
Because Jacob is on the outs with Ben. Ben is a manipulating evil bastard, Jacob finally figured it out, and was attempting to get rid of him.
Thoughts?SgtDraino, I just read your post in the Why Ben shot Locke thread (comments are coming). I see this is an extension of that post. And, I'm willing to buy into your theory.
Remember how utterly surprised Ben was when Juliet told him he had a tumor. Remember Ben's reply when she said he looked scared? "Well, what do you expect. You just told me I have cancer." Her reply was, "No, I said you have a tumor."
With your theory, this scene makes perfect sense now. Ben asked Jacob to remove Rachel's cancer, and he assumed it was transfered to him. Because, as you say above, Jacob's trying to get rid of Ben.
It's possible that Ben's drift away form certain important principles has caused him to be more susceptible to disease.
Richard and Jacob's not happy with him, unacceptible Island behavior could have price, the lost of it's protective power.
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