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allatsea
11-11-06, 05:23 PM
Alright I was just on Lostpedia and i was checking up on some things and i'd like to present a theory. I havent heard it yet so hopefully no one else has presented it.
On the Blast door map, there was a middle hub, which presumably was the pearl, and the either 7 or 8 outlaying dharma facilities. Now, with a quick search on Lostpedia, i'm not sure if this is a spoiler but it is TLE info, I found
the term Dharmacakra, which apparently is common in the Buddhist religion. There are 8 spokes, each of which represent one of the steps to enlightenment, or as Mittelwerk says, the "one true way." The Dharmacakra has shown up in two episodes. It was in Brian Porter's house in Special and Isaac's wall in S.O.S. Also, on TLE, the Dharmacakra shows up on the psychology orientation video. Possibly, all the stations are working toward this one true way, which actually will save the world, brutha!http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Dharmacakra The layout of the blast door map is similar to this wheel shape, and I think there are only 7 facilities on the blast door, but the 8th may be the hydra. obviously the two are connected by name. I definitely see a connection between this and other happenings in lost, so i'd like some feedback and other ideas

yung23
11-11-06, 06:10 PM
i think its more of a hint toward yet another enlightening shape.

the sri yantra,

http://www.astrojyoti.com/srichakrawithmantra.JPG

The Basics of Sri Yantra:

Five downward pointing triangles representing Devi intersect with four upward pointing triangles representing Siva, forming 43 triangles including the central triangle..

From the five Shakti triangles comes creation and from the four Shiva triangles comes the dissolution. The union of five Shaktis and four Fires causes the chakra of creation to evolve.

At the centre of the bindu of the Shri Yantra is Kamakala, which has three bindus. One is red, one is white and one is mixed. The red bindu is Kurukulla the Female form, the white bindu is Varahi the Male form, and the mixed bindu is the union of Shiva & Shakti - the individual as the potential Shri Cakra.
(this is also like the "oneness" spoken of in my first post, regarding Gnostism and PKD.)

Varahi, the father-form, gives four dhatus to the child and Kurukulla, the mother-form, gives five dhatus to the child. Theses represent the nine dhatus of the human body.
Varahi's four fires are the 12 (4 x 3) sun Kalas, the 12 Zodiac constellations.
Kurukulla's five triangles are the 15 (5 x 3) Kalas of the moon, 15 lunar Tithis.

These nine triangles also represent the nine stages of growth of the human child in the womb.

Surrounding the 43 triangles formed by the intersection of the nine triangles is the 16 petals circle.
Surrounding the 16 petal circle is an 8 petal circle.
After that the 3 lines and at the outermost part of the Sriyantra there are 3 lines called the Bhupura.
The 43 triangles constitute the six inner sections called Avaranas, the two circles of petals are two more avaranas and the Bhupura of 3 lines is the last Avarana.

These 9 Avaranas of the Sri Yantra have various presiding Devis. They are the Devi's Parivar (retinue) of total 108



it gets really close to our numbers..


anyway..
I believe our island creates an EMF which has the same resonate geometric shape.
its all part of the christ-consciousness ascension grid, which are part of the leylines mystical powers, the same source Issac spoke of.

and no doubt tied to this dharmachakra.

BTW, most of the stations can be connected to Apollo, and he carries many myths of ascension and awakening.
PS. this is what my entire theory has been about for two years.

the enlightenment of apollo, and he may have been Bens father.

Linus = son of apollo



perhaps adding Euclids 23 axioms to all these ideas, and we have a basis for the construction of a dharma based geometric shape capable of ascending one to a higher level of consciouness.

MATTC
11-11-06, 07:47 PM
Interesting.

island_maverick
11-11-06, 10:14 PM
This is a theory that uses a reference to TLE as one of its main evidence bases. Accordingly, I will swap this over to the webmaze-T&S sub-forum. Thanks - mav.

NeillT006
11-11-06, 10:19 PM
It was appropriately tagged and TLE was far from the exclusive support for the post.

island_maverick
11-11-06, 10:33 PM
The title wasn't tagged. And since it was a theory whose first post falls back on TLE information, it should be started in this sub-forum. The updated (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7403) T&S posting guidelines.

The thread is also similar to a number of other threads dealing with budhist charts so it could be argued that it might be merged with one of those. I figured the OP would prefer to keep it as a thread in its own right.

NeillT006
11-12-06, 02:39 PM
Right.

N.

yung23
11-12-06, 03:15 PM
but the damn dharmachakra was seen IN the show.

I still hate this forums DUMB division between the show and the TLE.

fuselage doesnt even bother with a sub-forum, and they do just fine.

the ARG stuff doesnt last in Theories, period, but things like this should.


I will not tag this.



http://lostpedia.com/images/1/1c/IssacsWall-small.jpg




hey Allatsea..

start it again, but don't mention the TLE.

or edit it out...

oh , wait, just tag it. (that was the rule afterall)

mav, I respectfully disagree with this move.

it was in the show.

note to anyone. stop mentioning the stupid TLE. didnt people learn the first time ?

and the apollo angle only got stronger ...

NeillT006
11-12-06, 03:28 PM
And adjust your attitude while you are at it.

N.

allatsea
11-12-06, 04:52 PM
Hey sorry if I posted in the wrong place. i'm 0-2 in posting it sucks! I didn't want to anger anybody ill try to think through where to post. i thought it was a theory and was tagged so it could go in T&S

yung23
11-12-06, 05:06 PM
So I get a little pissy when things get sent to die in here Neil.

you should understand more than anyone why I hate this subforum.

drabauer
11-12-06, 07:30 PM
Indeed now it languishes, to rot away ... what is spoilerific about the dharmachakra? Better to merge, mav, than to send out into the wilderness.

island_maverick
11-12-06, 09:27 PM
but the damn dharmachakra was seen IN the show.Yeah, but the OP cited a quote from TLE as a supporting facet of this theory.


I will not tag this.You don't need to, this thread is in webmaze-T&S.

Indeed now it languishes, to rot awayWhy does it languish and rot away? That implies no-one will read it or be interested. Now that's an interesting converse.

NeillT006
11-12-06, 09:36 PM
Yeah, but the OP cited a quote from TLE as a supporting facet of this theory.

Oh, the humanity.

N.

sawyerhasbestlines
11-12-06, 09:41 PM
There's a few people in T&S that would be interested in this subject... thinking of Jaystao's thread where he was the first to notice and document Brian's ceiling.

NeillT006
11-12-06, 09:52 PM
You will be interested in this, Mav.

When we made the move here from EZBoard I advocated a modified set up for T&S in which the board would be divided into sub forums essentially following index categories modeled on the doc's work. Made sense to me at the time. People would know where to go to find their particular area of interest, and the maintenance of an index would be largely self-policing.

The counter argument, which ultimately prevailed, and which I had to agree with (you, more than most others, know how hard that had to be for me) was that by creating such subdivisions you lose the opportunity for the creative spark which is the natural result of the immediacy of the juxtaposition of different and sometimes seemingly incompatible ideas.

Creativity is messy and needs a messy workspace.

Why that argument was so compelling then, but less so now, I haven't a clue.

N.

island_maverick
11-12-06, 09:54 PM
There's a few people in T&S that would be interested in this subject... thinking of Jaystao's thread where he was the first to notice and document Brian's ceiling.If the OP wants to re-post their theory without making the premise of it founded in TLE reference, then great. The other option is that this is merged with an existing thread, but the OP loses a thread started in their name. OP - please advise.

Sidenote: SHBL - what is to stop those people in T&S who might be interested in this thread from coming in here to look at it?

jmb3rg3r
11-12-06, 10:11 PM
The dharmacakra is kind of a tough sell for Lost, because it's meaning is so intensely specific to Buddhist doctrine. It doesn't have a heavy metaphysical side to it, and it's really very dogma-oriented. (Lindelof is a devout Catholic so I am guessing he's not proselytizing the eightfold path.)

Given that the blast door map is an octagonal shape similar to the ba gua in the Dharma Initiative logo (which is not related to the dharmacakra), I'd have to guess that the parallel is simply the obvious.

The ba gua is also more universal, metaphysical and transdenominational, so it fits in any number of worldviews, as opposed to the Dharmacakra which is really just so specifically and dogmatically Buddhist.

I'm sure there's an element of suggestion they like having in there as part of the show, but we've seen a whole lot more of -- for instance -- the Virgin Mary, which is probably a more fruitful line of speculation...

NeillT006
11-12-06, 10:40 PM
What it means, Mav, is that a person who reads TLE material could become estopped from ever posting in T&S.

The posting rules (which become more and more restrictive every time we have this discussion) are now being interpreted to mean that any idea traceable to TLE material is not permitted in T&S.

I think it is obvious that most T&S posters synthesize and bring to bear information from multiple sources, based upon education and life experiences. All those sources contribute to the spark of an idea, sometimes in an obvious ways, other times in less than obvious ways.

I know that TLE has both a conscious and subconscious effect on how I think, and what I say, about a number of issues.

I guess that means I can't post in T&S.

You just have to love the compromise process, eh?

N.

marshall2u
11-12-06, 10:47 PM
Compromise by commitee means nobody ends up happy. That's just the way it is.

NeillT006
11-12-06, 10:55 PM
Compromise by commitee means nobody ends up happy.

Compromise by committee suggests representation on the committee.

N.

island_maverick
11-12-06, 11:20 PM
What it means, Mav, is that a person who reads TLE material could become estopped from ever posting in T&S. Only if they feel they don't have the self-discipline to put spoiler/TLE info in tags.

The posting rules..are now being interpreted to mean that any idea traceable to TLE material is not permitted in T&S.That may be your interpretation, but it's not mine. I interpret them to mean that:

1. If a thread is started under the premise of specifically needing TLE information to support it, then it belongs in webmaze-T&S.

2. If an existing thread has posts in it that have TLE information in, then so long as they are tagged appropriately and the TLE/spoiler info does not end up beig a precession that takes over the the entire thread, then it is fine in regular T&S.

NeillT006
11-12-06, 11:25 PM
Yeah, but the OP cited a quote from TLE as a supporting facet of this theory.

Hmm.

N.

John
11-13-06, 01:43 AM
I guess that means I can't post in T&S.

Oh, the drama. Shall we make you Queen?

NeillT006
11-13-06, 01:46 AM
If you think you've got what it takes, bring it on.

N.

jmb3rg3r
11-13-06, 02:06 AM
I thought I was the only person trying to quit smoking on the board this week....

sawyerhasbestlines
11-13-06, 01:43 PM
It's hard to get people interested in this side of the board, when there is endless threadjacking in every thread about how to organize. Can the organization discussion be contained in one or a couple areas instead of bleeding throughout?

I'm trying to make an attempt to come over here more, because lets' face it, T&S has been a bit dead for awhile.