Who drowned in last night's episode (10/20/04)?... [Archive]

azteclady

10-21-04, 01:48 PM

Hello, Vidal, welcome

One of the so-called 'redshirts' by the name of Joanna is the one who drowned. As far as we know, we had never seen her.

Apparently she went for a swim and got caught in a riptide; Boone saw she was in trouble and tried to save her but ended up almost drowning himself, so Charlie (who can't swim) told Jack. Jack saved Boone but couldn't go back out in time to save Joanna too.

Hope this helps.

Beto

jjabramizeme

10-21-04, 02:05 PM

who wants to bet that the drowning woman somehow resurfaces later on???

lostinasheville

10-21-04, 03:09 PM

That's exactly what I was thinking last nite- that drowning woman will be back...unless the body washes up on shore-

Synergist

10-21-04, 03:45 PM

Well, she was supposed to be a SCUBA diver. Any SCUBA diver worth his or her salt should know how to get out of a rip--heck, we use them to get out to dive sites faster when doing shore dives. Maybe she swam out of the rip and swam out on a differnt shore and is lost.

Dread Pirate Yukon

10-21-04, 04:35 PM

...and swam out on a differnt shore and is lost.

Oooh creepy lost on LOST

Vicki

10-21-04, 04:39 PM

She was a scuba diver?

hobbitenvy

10-21-04, 04:50 PM

Maybe she was the author of the diary....

abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary.html (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary.html)

Zambini Stardust

10-21-04, 04:51 PM

Yes, Kate (I think) said later that she wasn't supposed to be on this flight, but had gotten an ear infection and couldn't dive again, so she was returning home early.

azteclady

10-21-04, 05:06 PM

I'm not a scuba diver myself, so I'm not positive, but...

People, even good swimmers, drown in unfamiliar waters. I live in Florida, we hear periodically about this happening in Daytona. Witnessed one woman drowning in a Cancun beach 20 years ago. Almost drowned myself, caught in a rip tide in Acapulco (with lots of people in the water, not too far from me).

We know these people have been through a plane crash. They've probably haven't been sleeping all that well (I know I wouldn't). We don't know how much they've eaten, and how that has affected their metabolisms.

Who's to say this woman not only was not at the peak of her physical abilities, but also misjudged her strength? She may have swum too far and be too tired to get back. She may have been somewhat dehydrated and passed out.

I'm cutting the writers a lot of slack here, but I think it's not beyond the realm of possibility for something like this happening.

Beto

maxpublic

10-21-04, 05:09 PM

She could've just panicked, or been nibbled on by a shark. Even scuba divers aren't immune to losing their cool in the water, especially if a chunk gets bitten off of them.

Max

Bongo Fury

10-21-04, 08:08 PM

A rip tide is only dangerous if you panic and try to fight against it. An experienced swimmer, like a scuba diver, knows that you go with the rip tide and swim parallel to the beach and eventually you come out of it. Then you simply swim back to shore. It's the ininformed that try to swim against the tide and eventually tire themselves out and drown. A 'scuba diver' would never make such an elementary mistake.

Funkadelic

10-21-04, 09:07 PM

Well if you want to get real technical. The most experienced swimmers can drown with some of the nasty undertoes here in Hawaii.

I know the show isn't supposed to be set in Hawaii, but where they shoot the film there is usually some nice swells and hard currents.

maxpublic

10-21-04, 09:17 PM

A 'scuba diver' would never make such an elementary mistake.

Well, we don't really know what happened to her, to cause her to panic like that. Like I said, she could've flipped out once she felt a tugging on her leg and realized she was short a foot. Who the heck knows? Nobody ever got close enough to her to ascertain what the actual problem was.

Max

LostinTrinity

10-21-04, 09:19 PM

She might not have been an extremely experienced scuba diver. Plus as was mentioned she might have been tired and hungry and misjudged how far out she could swim.

Bongo Fury

10-22-04, 01:51 AM

"Well, we don't really know what happened to her, to cause her to panic like that."

Well, Jack was there in the water, and he said she was caught in a rip tide. So if we don't believe Jack, I guess we shouldn't believe Kate either when she said Joanna was a scuba diver. She might have very well been a double amputee and had no business trying to go for a swim without any legs. Speculation is fine, but we've got to start somewhere, and using what the characters say is the logical place to start.

Besides, shark attack doesn't make sense. If Joanna was bitten by a shark she'd be bleeding profusely. Boone went out to save her. Some time later Jack went in to save her. This implies the passage of some time, at least a few minutes. Yet while jack is rescuing Boone (the lifeguard, who was exhausted and near drowning) we see Joanna still screaming and waving her arm. Someone bleeding from a shark bite wouldn't have the energy to do that after having lost so much blood.

Master Xander

10-22-04, 06:53 AM

These people are still tired and probably hungry (not starving), or slightly panicked, or generally worried. She probably has a lot on her mind, and so a little thing can still trigger a deadly panic attack. Even on an experienced swimmer.

Experience and intelligence does not make one immune to making small, deadly mistakes, or free from panic attacks. Remember those space shuttles that exploded? (The one in the '80s and the recent one.) Both were caused by "small" mistakes and errors in judgments by rocket scientists. It's not unthinkable that an experience scuba diver makes an error in judgment.

pirate2323

10-22-04, 11:43 AM

Maybe she was so dehydrated that she just cramped up and only her experience kept her afloat as long as she did.

Lisa AR

10-22-04, 04:12 PM

Maybe she's a SCUBA diver that drowned because strange things happen on this island. Don't forget, Boone is a lifeguard that can't perform CPR and nearly drowned. Locke is a parapaligic that can walk. I think it is significant that a SCUBA diver drowned.

maxpublic

10-22-04, 05:08 PM

Besides, shark attack doesn't make sense. If Joanna was bitten by a shark she'd be bleeding profusely. Boone went out to save her.

No, shark attack doesn't make any sense. Neither does the idea of a good swimmer getting panicked by a rip tide and drowning. What we're doing here is clutching for straws that don't exist.

The real explanation? The producers screwed up. They don't know a bloody thing about scuba diving or rip tides, and their ignorance showed in this episode. What we're being subjected to here is a lack of quality control, not a mystery.

All they would've had to do to make the scene believeable was explain that Joanne was from Iowa, had never seen the ocean before her trip to Australia, and liked to take a morning swim. But someone, somewhere, thought that saying that Joanne was a scuba diver sounded better on film.

Max

LostinTrinity

10-22-04, 06:15 PM

Max, I'm not too sure you're right about that. The diary makes it sound like they did put thought into the person drowning being a scuba diver. It even mentions how she knew to handle the rip tide. I think it was her condition that contributed to her drowning.

maxpublic

10-22-04, 06:39 PM

Max, I'm not too sure you're right about that.

Neither am I. :-)

But it would've been nice if they had added in a line or two to explain why a trained scuba diver panicked and drowned in the ocean.

Max

Lisa AR

10-23-04, 03:39 AM

She couldn't be the author of the diary hobbitenvy because the author says that he/she went diving with Joanna in Australia. Plus the author wrote in the diary about events that happened after Joanna drowned.

LostinTrinity

10-23-04, 03:53 AM

Neither am I. :-)

But it would've been nice if they had added in a line or two to explain why a trained scuba diver panicked and drowned in the ocean.

Glad to see you're so open minded. :)

You are right about the mention though, they should have known we'd all be here nitpicking every episode to death.

tywarnerbabe

10-24-04, 02:03 AM

If she had an ear infection and couldn't dive, what in the world was she doing going UP in airplane? Most drs. advice against flying when you have an ear infection, or a sinus infection because of the pressure. So what gives???

azteclady

10-24-04, 02:45 AM

Kate says that the doctor "landed Joanna for two days" and that *that* is why she was on this particular plane.

Beto

Dmcquickly

10-24-04, 03:50 AM

Once more, with feeling:

"You can check out anytime you like
But you can never leave."

Guitar solo...

JacksGirlfriend

10-24-04, 03:56 AM

Maybe you should offer to do the background music for the show.

JacksGirl

Lisa AR

10-24-04, 05:33 AM

That's true tywarnerbabe, if it's the pressure that the Dr. was worried about the the plane was just as bad as diving. Maybe it was the bacteria in the water that he was concerned about though. Although, my kids put drops in their ears everytime they come up from diving.

MangaKhan

10-25-04, 02:45 PM

Let's stop and think about this for a minute. "Kate" said that Joanna "was not supposed to be on the plane." If she was not supposed to be on the plane, she definitely was not supposed to be on the section of the plane where the "Lost" were. And if she was not suposed to be with the "Lost" then she is not supposed to be on the Island.

Maybe that is why the "creature" killed the pilot and not Locke. I think the "Island" killed Joanna on purpose.

Come on, we were all incredulous. She was an experienced diver! She should have known how to handle a rip tide. Heck, I do, and all I have done is body board as a kid. NOt only did the producers have "Kate" tell us she was an diver, they went out of their way to tell us again with the Diary.

That has to be it. The Island killed Joanna.

seraphism

10-25-04, 03:48 PM

i'm with mangakhan on this, joanne was not only an experienced diver familiar with rips. Two very able bodied young men jumped into save her and were both unable to do so. Too much of a coincidence there.

Enchirito

10-25-04, 03:51 PM

That has to be it. The Island killed Joanna.
I totally agree. She wasn't suposed to be on the island so the island fixed that. As it did with the pilot. Nice.

MangaKhan

10-25-04, 07:23 PM

OOOH! the Diary also says that Joanna switched seats so she could sit next to the person writing the Diary, thereby moving in to Lost Class seating.

This supports my theory that that Joanna was not supposed to be on the Island and that the Island killed her.

Bongo Fury

10-25-04, 09:30 PM

I don't understand the whole 'wasn't supposed to be there' thing. From what we've seen, almost no one was suppose to be there.

Joanna was grounded by her ear infection, so she had to wait two days and take the 'Lost' flight.

Jack wasn't supposed to be on the flight. Then his dad ran off to Sydney and drank himself to death. And Jack was suppose to be in first class, but he gave up his seat to an old woman.

Kate wasn't supposed to be on the flight, but then she got caught and extradited to the US.

Locke wasn't supposed to be on the flight, but then he was denied inclusion on his 'walkabout'.

Michael and Walt weren't supposed to be on the flight, but then Walt's mother died.

Boone and Shannon were supposed to have seats in first class, but their seats were taken from them at the last minute.

Charlie wasn't supposed to be in the seat he ended up in. But he fled to a forward bathroom to get a fix, and when the trouble started he jumped into the first available seat.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I just don't see the difference between Joanna and the rest of our cast who we know something about. Help me out here folks.

JacksGirlfriend

10-26-04, 01:58 AM

From what I gather, the theory is that someone or something "conspired" to get all these people in the same location at the same time for some kind of purpose. Almost as though fate stepped in to guide them in a direction they would otherwise not have taken or there was some kind of general conspiracy to "herd" them into the plane.

I'm not sure how I feel about it, but it does seem a little odd. Do you believe in destiny?

JacksGirl

MangaKhan

10-26-04, 02:04 PM

I can agree with that, but my point is, that when the Island caught them, she got some other people. Much like when a shrimper casts his net and gets a bunch of other fish he does not want. Usually these fish get eaten by the sharks when they are thrown over board. The pilot and Joanna are the other fish and the Monster and riptide were the sharks.

Diceman

10-26-04, 05:24 PM

Enchirito

10-26-04, 05:30 PM

Maybe there's something out there just beyond your eye's limit and the island doesn't want you to glimpse it.
Anyone remember the Truman Show? :eek

PajamaParty

10-27-04, 03:46 AM

Was I hallucinating or was there a brief glimpse of a woman with big blonde hair that was standing in front of the Korean man, in Jack's airport counter break down scene? And then later the dolls have big blonde hair, and the one is in the water---So was that suppose to be Joanna in the airport line?

Baron X

10-27-04, 03:50 AM

Go Bongo!!

Baron X

10-27-04, 03:52 AM

Don't you think that having a lifeguard almost drown and a scuba driver actually drown sends a strong message to the rest of the LOST? "Stay the Hell out of the water" Maybe there's something out there just beyond your eye's limit and the island doesn't want you to glimpse it.

I think a shark or sharks or mystery sea creature would send a stronger message than rip tide. But maybe I'm stubborn.

Enchirito

10-27-04, 03:56 AM

hmm. I see the connection between the doll in the water and Johnna drowning but I watched the failed rescue scene again and I couldn't really ever see Johnna. Unless someone has super high rez screen caps it's hard to make out anything except an arm waving around.

Baron X

10-27-04, 04:09 AM

So are we thinking voodoo dolls for the survivors? Does that mean Boone was not really in any danger? And that we will find more dolls? But what would the Marshalls doll have in it? He was mortally wounded twice before finally being finished off.

But the symbolism would be cool if true.