Food?

[DriftWood]

So they go boar hunting when there is a perfectly good dead polar bear ready to be cut up and BBQ'd. How do you explain that?

[angry may queen]

I guess it's easier to have roasted pork on the beach than to drag back a polar bear, skin it, and figure out if it's still edible (been dead for 3 days). Just guessing!

I'm not Ted Nugent, though, so I have no clue about what game is edible or not! ;)

[DriftWood]

Bear meat is edible, but probably would be better with ketchup. Lots 'n lots of ketchup.

[Enchirito]

I think they were pretty far away from camp when they shot the bear and didn't want to drag it back. It seemed like nobody in that group really knew what to do with it after they shot it anyway.

[LostinTrinity]

I've heard bear meat is delicious, but I think someone mentioned on here that polar bear meat is toxic or something. Plus no one seems to have mentioned to the others that they saw a polar bear.

[r121567]

I have to agree with the time thing - I'm thinking that eating a three day old anything would make one rather ill.

[PlaneJane22]

plus when they killed the polar bear, they were rather far from the beach still. They had to stop and make camp for the night.

[JacksGirlfriend]

There are a couple polar bear threads and I think it was Max that explained why they couldn't/shouldn't eat the polar bear (parasites, toxic stuff, all kinds of reasons).

JacksGirl

[azteclady]

Whether anyone in the hiking party knew how to field dress the bear is any one guess - but considering that there were only six of them, and there were many pounds of bear, and that only Kate had a backpack, I wonder how they would have transported the meat back to the beach?

JacksGirl,
I believe you are right about it being maxpublic who posted about the potential toxicity of polar bear meat - however, how likely it would be that any given survivor knew about that?


Beto

[MsHllywdJenn]

:lol Ok I totally glanced at this post and did a double take on the topic. I swear it said Frodo. :rollin

As for the bear, well, it's already started to decompose by then and it was WAY WAY back in the jungle. I agree with everyone else. But does anyone else find it strange that one piglet could feed 47 people??

[Bongo Fury]

Locke said the piglets were 100-150 pounds. I've organized several pig roasts for family picnics and a 100 pound pig will feed 50 people with lots of leftovers. That was with lots of side dishes and other food. But we can assume that our survivors are on a subsistence diet and will not be gorging themselves. So I estimate that with whatever else they could scrounge that pig would get them by for a week, maybe.

[LostinTrinity]

Not to mention that with the salt and pepper Jacksgirl has and the pots and pans that have been scavanged, they could make soup and or stew with the wild onions and other vegis Sun seems to have found with the bones and just a little meat to make it last longer.

[Enchirito]

yummm... boar stew. :p

[pirate2323]

I guess locke is pretty strong. 150 pounds doesn't seem like much but it's dead weight to be dragging through the jungle.

[Master Xander]

I wonder if nobody ever mentioned the polar bear to anyone to begin with.

[WhereRwe]

Well, there's lots of bamboo on that island. Bamboo shoots are tasty. I suggest Pork Stir Fry. If Hurley can catch some shrimp, there's always Coconut Shrimp. Yum......anyone else getting hungry for Oriental food???;)

Haven't heard anyone mention the polar bear to the others yet. Guess it's one of those "let's not create panic" moments.

WhereRwe

[angry may queen]

At some point, didn't Kate say she was a vegetarian?

Do you think she meant it or was just saying it in the moment to show that food was not her top priority right then?

I could swear that she was eating bacon and eggs in her flashback with the Australian farmer guy...
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[jjabramizeme]

she did tell Jack she was a vegetarian--when she was making it clear that she was going on the boar hunt to try and get a signal, not because she actually cared to hunt.

i'm pretty sure she was eating eggs at the farmer's but I don't remember bacon...but I guess vegetarians don't eat eggs either, or is that just vegans?

[BJLK]

I sure HOPE they don't waste a perfectly good wild boar!!!! And if any of them had been watching "Survivor", they would have learned a LITTLE bit about scavenging. I would like to see the writers do some "Survivor" type stuff. As for bear meat, yes, I agree, it was tooooo far for them to drag a body that huge back to camp. Doesn't Hurley look like he would know how to cook??? They better start looking for fresh water soon too.

Well, it's on again tonight.................CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jjabramizeme]

i hear they are going to start dividing into two camps, ala Survivor.

I'll bet we start seeing some of that tonight.

[WhereRwe]

As for the bear being too big to move....it's a better idea to butcher a large animal at the site of the kill and just transport the meat either by carrying it by hand or building a drag (aka travois) to pull it back to the camp site. A bit messy, but very effective way to haul a load.

WhereRwe

[NSNick]

If they did eat it, they'd have to be sure to not eat the liver-- a serving of polar bear liver has a toxic amount of vitamin A.

[hobbitenvy]

When they killed the bear, they didn't yet have any knives to carve it up, did they? Locke was back at the beach and only revealed he had the knives later on -- and Locke wasn't aware of the bear kill. Also, if they decided to keep the bear secret from the others (not clear to me if they agreed to keep it a secret or not, but it seems the ones on the beach were not told), then they couldn't very well carve it up and bring it back to the beach without some kind of explanation to the others.

On the vegetarian thing -- a "lacto-ovo" vegetarian includes eggs and dairy products in the diet. Some vegetarians (Lacto - or ovo-) exclude one or the other. Vegans exclude both. Kate called herself simply a vegetarian, so I'm guessing she's of the lacto-ovo variety. It'll be interesting to see if she really is a vegetarian, and if she stays that way.

I'm also wondering how they are going to purify water without any pots and pans. I assume rainwater is pure enough, but what if they have to drink from a spring or stream? Aren't they going to get sick from the microbes in the water? Maybe Locke has a mess kit along in his walkabout supplies...

I have a question: when Jack was looking in the wreckage for a knife to use to operate on the injured guy, what exactly did he find and use? I thought I saw him open a case of knives similiar to Locke's... anyone remember?

[BJLK]

With all the wreckage they could pound out some type of pots using rocks, at least that's what I would do.

I think someone had a pocket knife.........can't remember for sure.

I'll tell ya what............being a member of this board is sure going to make me notice more stuff tonight. I might even take notes, LOLOLOL.:rollin

[hobbitenvy]

I thought they should not have burned the fuselage. They should have pulled the bodies out and burned them in a heap. Disgusting as that would have been, they probably destroyed a lot of useful materials and items by burning the fuselage. They could use parts of the plane for shelter, making pots, etc., and they could have removed more seats from the plane.

[BJLK]

RIGHT ON Hobbitenvy!!!!!!!

[Iseult of the White Hands]

I wouldn't personally use the metal from the fuselage to make a cooking *anything* out of. There's a lot of chemical yuck on all plane parts that I wouldn't want anywhere near my food.

They could look for coffee pots from the plane, though, foil catering pans, the little crockery casserole dishes that the food is cooked in on the plane, stuff like that. They could also be trying to find the sodas and juices that would have been on board, don't you think? If the lavatory from first class was still intact with the cockpit, then galley stuff would be, too.

I would be rethinking the sushi option if I were the rest of them, too. Sea urchin... I think if you are hungry enough, it would be quite palatable.

[hobbitenvy]

They ought to make another excursion to the cockpit section of the plane to scavenge what they can from it, too... that is, if they don't get eaten by the INVISIBLE MONSTER!

[azteclady]

What Jack used on shrapnel guy was a razor, one of those antiquated ones used for shaving - he found it near the wreckage. This happened on the second day.

The hike and the polar bear shooting happened later that day, if I remember correctly.

It was only on day after that Locke found the knives, probably when the majority of the group was starting to go through the fuselage with more purpose.

I mean, the first day some people started going through what was all over the beach - Hurley found some of the food from the galley, remember that he gave two trays to Claire? And Shannon clearly found her bag, and pretty soon, since she gave herself a pedicure the night of the crash, and was sunbathing the following morning, in her bikini. Sun showed Jin what she thought was his suitcase, Locke found his knives' case and his geeky vest, etc.

But until Jack made clear that there were health (read survival) risk associated with -not- burning the bodies, there was no concerted effort at salvaging useful stuff.

I would assume that the survivors removed everything they could that could be used, reused or adapted to survival, and that what they left in the fuselage was things beyond redemption - I'm sure there were seats soaked with things best not discussed, which were better off burned.

As for the metal - some of it may be reusable, and burning it would have cleaned it pretty much. Are the food carts stainless steel? If so, heat could used to reshape pieces of it into crude pots/pans, couldn't it? Pieces of the fuselage could be used to make more refined versions of the 'fishing spear' Hurley and Charlie were using to catch Shannon's fish.

I think the group should start pumping Locke for knowledge soon - even if it's all from reading, it's better than utter ignorance.


Beto

[Iseult of the White Hands]

The food carts are made out of something else on metal frames. It's funny- I see them all the time, but I never gave it any thought what they are actually made of. It's really insulated, though, to keep things cold and (sort of) fresh. I'm just saying that there are already food appropriate things somewhere around there, so they shouldn't need to use plane parts.

Just think of all the flame retardents, jet fuels and de-icing chemicals that get sprayed on airplanes. It's really toxic stuff.

[LordFlies]

Da Ocean has no food right. Come on all the fish,shellfish,lobster and all the other sea life. I think you can eat sea weed and kelp too. Why don't they start to collect rain water how many days will it take for these useless people who have all the time they need to be useful. WTF do they do all day. Lay around and have flashbacks and look at dead bodies(stinking dead bodies) oh yeah I think they cremated them last week.I think the episodes need more reality.

[BJLK]

YEAH, there seems to be NO sense of urgency in these people. Any of you who have watched "Survivor" know that after 3 days everyone is getting pretty ornery, especially if they don't have any water that can be boiled if they haven't made fire yet. Tonight's episode still didn't address that issue AT ALL until the very end when Jack said they had to work together or they would all die.

Kelp and seaweed is VERY edible, albeit a bit fishy and salty tasting, but it provides all the essential minerals a body could need. Locke is the only survivalist they have among them. But he appears to be shaping up as the Spirit Guide. Interesting how the "white rabbit" aka, Jack's dad, lead him to fresh water.

[Steve580]

Yeah, I was seriously starting to think that they weren't ever going to address survival issues, and just live on the open beach.

Because, really, how many people would just lie around on a beach for...what is it, four, five days?...without ever thinking about long-term survival?

Sawyer seems to be the only intellegent person on that island.
-Steve

[Badger]

Long time lurker, well since the shows first episode anyway, but first post. I noticed someone said polar bear meat is toxic due to the high level of Vitamin A it contains. That is not entirely correct.

In fact bear meat is prized as a food source in China, as is the polar bear met in the Arctic. However, it's only the liver of the polar bear that's toxic because of its high level of vitamin A, not the meat itself. Bear meat is considered edible, except immediately after winter. It's a lot like pork and it's prepared in very much the same way.

[azteclady]

The bulk of these survivors don't know that they won't be rescued soon.

They've had things to eat so far, and water to drink. Several of them may be in absolute denial - in the Shannon "I'll eat in the rescue boat" camp as it were. Other may simply be utterly clueless in this situation - it is not unheard of.

But I'm glad the writers didn't decide to stretch our disbelief any longer than today - six days of 'every(wo)man for him(her)self' was more than plenty. Time to think like the Musketeers.


Beto

[Baron X]

Plus at the time the shot the bear they did not know the transceiver gambit would not pay off, they were still on their way up.

[MsHllywdJenn]

About the vegetarian thing. When my friend and I were watching the episode, (True enough she's a vegetarian) after Kate made the comment about being a vegetarian she aptly replied, "Not anymore honey." :lol "You eat to survive." I think Kate has eaten some of the boar. If there was wild fruit or berries out there it wouldn't have been so crucial to go on the hunt.

[azteclady]

Whether there are fruits and/or berries or edible vegetables of all kinds, the problem would be to -identify- them. Sun is not sharing a lot of her knowledge (because Jin won't let her? for another thread...), and we don't know how much more -she- knows.

I wouldn't be eating just anything off a tree myself - I poisoned myself (mildly) with berries as a child.

Meat, on the other hand... Pork is pork is ham and bacon :D


Beto

[Badger]

There are varying 'levels's of vegetarianism. One can choose not to eat red meat for instance yet still eat poultry, fish and eggs for example. I know people who call themselves vegetarians and refuse only red meat, as in this example.

Therefore Kate may consider herself a vegan, just not in the strictest sense of the term.

[hobbitenvy]

People who eat fish or chicken may call themselves vegetarians, but they aren't. Real vegetarians jokingly call these folks "fishotarians" or "chikotarians." I know -- I've been a vegetarian going on 30 years. Vegetarians do not eat any kind of animals.

[angry may queen]

Ok, I went back and checked the ep where Kate is with the farmer in Australia and YES she WAS EATING BACON.

Maybe she really was starving and decided to eat it, despite being a vegetarian?

[hobbitenvy]

Or maybe she was kidding about being a vegetarian.

[MEGA S michael surtour]

i have a funny anecdote about a vegetarian!!!

in france "not long ago", there was a story about a vegetarian (and it's true, it was on the news)

a person was defreezing meet on his balcony and below his appartment was a vegetarian.
the vegétarian was on his balcon and the meat of his neighboor felt in is head, it was a heavy heavy meat and...
...the poor guy is dead!
and it's really not a joke lol.
when i heard it i laugh... it's so ironic!

[azteclady]

Michael, you are a twisted, twisted man - and I like you! :D

Personally, I believe the "I'm vegetarian" comment was sarcasm - Jack had just said, "This isn't about hunting, is it?" and she has the antenna. *shrug*


Beto