When is Sex Appropriate?

[JacksGirlfriend]

Okay - you're stranded on a beautiful lush tropical island. You're surrounded by temptation - beautiful women, hunky men, some that are just okay (but tempting nonetheless). You are a married man/woman or in a committed relationship. When is it appropriate to decide to take the next step? When and how do you determine when you will have sex with one of your fellows?

JacksGirl

[Cassis1]

If this question refers specifically to Sayid, the answer is:

Soon. :)

[morbius47]

Women. Think all you have to do is "decide" and guys will just fall in line and give it up.:D

Actually, this is a good question. Especially for people who are married/commited to someone not on the island. Do you try to remain faithful, or accept Sawyer's philosophy of being "in the wild"? Maybe or castaways will adopt a "What happens on the island stays on the island" approach. Judging by many posts on this board, many of you think some people should be shacking up already. Personally, it would be way to soon for me to make that call.

[Enchirito]

Well, Hurley was thinking about it already,

"you guys gonna move in to a cave together or what?"

...but that's Hurley.

[Lothiriel of Rohan]

Jack's response to Hurley was funny: "Are we in high school or what?" (paraphrase). Seems some of the people have noticed the relationship of Jack and Kate heating but Jack is not ready to make a move.

I would suspect Jack may have be in a relationship with someone prior to the plane crash on the island but not Kate since she has been on the run. She also appears to be commitment shy but her hormones are in high gear when it comes to Jack. :D

[Jooced]

What happens on the island stays on the island. :-P

[dirtyK]

The loved ones back at home are probably starting to move on with their lives and may now be hooking up. For those on the island it's a tricky situation. They could be rescued any day or have to start a new life / make a new connection.

[morbius47]

I think the loved ones back home are still in shock after finding out their loved ones were in a plane crash 6-7 days ago. They probably haven't even given up hope of a rescue yet. If any of them are moving on already, there's something seriously wrong with that relationship to begin with.

[jekelish]

Jack is hoping to move into the cave with Charlie...he didn't get enough cuddle time during the cave-in.

Seriously though, folks...

When is sex appropriate? All hours of the day. But if you're one of the castaways? I think that depends on the person. If you accept that escape/rescue is highly unlikely (aka the people at the caves) then you're more willing to get busy with your fellow survivors. However, if you're still clinging to the hope that you may be found (aka the beach combers, mainly Sayid) then you're gonna hold out.

For those who have significant others, ask yourself--even if you were stranded on a deserted island, would you be able to forget about your loved one quickly enough to, ahem, "enjoy" someone else? It's a complete internal struggle.

:hat

[Ms Nova]

The loved ones back at home are probably starting to move on with their lives and may now be hooking up.

Holy crap! All I have to say is that if I was stranded on an island, I sincerely hope my hubby doesn't move on with his life after only seven days :lol

[azteclady]

I'm with morbius and jekelish. I think that it's way too soon after less than ten days in the island for our survivors to start pairing up - particularly if they are cautious at all. This is a limited number of people who, if they are indeed condemned to remain there for a long period of time (years? 'till they die?) would do well to take care how and with whom they end up. Otherwise all we'll have is the merry go round of a soap opera, with people changing partners so far we'll need scorecards to keep track.

Not the kind of show I'm hoping LOST will continue to be.

So far, both Jack and Sawyer seem to me quite cautious and centered in this regard - they've both flirted with Kate but neither has jumped at her... yet. And Saeed flirting is deliciously subtle and controlled - so much so that we can't be sure is flirting and not simple protectiveness of a single female.

As for those people who may have relationships at home, or who are mourning if they lost their significant other in the crash (Rose, anyone?), I would expect them to wrestle with their consciences and their hearts for way longer than two weeks before 'moving on' - I mean, really, people! It's been seven weeks for us, but less than two for them. Perspective is called for.


Beto

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[Qwiksilvr]

I think in a wilderness setting "never." I mean, they're all sweaty and dirty and gross, and I doubt that they found any condoms in the debris!

[Hodgepodge]

I think it was the first or second episode, where Kate is standing in the water with nothing on except her underware. I thought about it then.....lol

[jekelish]

all i know is this: Chuck the Extra was searching for condoms in the fuselage while Jack was dealing with the Marshal. Chuck has his priorities straight.

:hat

[EagleIFilms]

5:1 odds Sawyer has a whole stash of condoms.

[DriftWood]

"When is it appropriate to decide to take the next step? When and how do you determine when you will have sex with one of your fellows?"

It is always appropriate. How do you decide? You have 'em fight it out, best 2 out of 3.

[morbius47]

Jack was "dealing with the marshall"? Is that a euphemism jeke?

[Cassis1]

There is a difference between the situation of the loved ones at home and our castaways--as far as the landlubbers know, the plane went down in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and everyone on board is DEAD. It's a lot easier to have hope for a rescue, and thus a return to "real life," when you're sitting pretty on a lovely beach (even if you are a thousand miles off-course with no way to communicate with civilization and a hungry flayosaurus out in the jungle) than when your SO is shark bait. :(

That said, probably no one's SO is dating after a week--but after 40 days? Who knows?

However, I wonder if this hypothetical situation even applies to any of our castaways, except possibly/probably Sayid (if you know for sure, please don't tell the spoiler free person:\ ).

Jin and Sun are married to each other. Rose's hubby was on the flight, poor guy. Walt is a kid. And Locke and Claire have both definitively been shown not to have someone waiting at home (unless Helen the commitment-shy phone sex girl counts as a SO).

We can reasonably guess that Michael, Kate, and Charlie are single too. Michael would probably have brought his wife to pick up Walt--or at least have mentioned her by now. And being a criminal on the run or washed-up heroin-addicted rock demigod does not make for stable romantic relationships.

Kate seemed to hit a nerve when she told Sawyer that there was no one who missed him.

Other than Sayid, who has his mystery woman, that leaves us with Jack, Shannon, GFGTH, and Hurley. None of them seems particularly concerned about the boy/girl left at home....

[OneIrishRover]

What took so long for this subject to come up (no pun intended)?

I was assuming perhaps most posters were under 14.

Forget about those in committed relationships. how about the ones who are not otherwise taken.

How long would it take for them (or us, in their shoes)?

One day? One week?

I'd be ready for frank talk and franker action that night. I just survived a ****ing plane crash for cring out loud.

Let's get it on, early and often!::b

[jekelish]

well if it were me...i'd be all up on kate in a heartbeat.

"oh my god, we crashed...what a tragedy! wanna get it on?"

:hat

[Sleeestack]

I saw "Castaway" with Hanks, and I am busting a nut as soon as I have the chance.

But then again, with my genetic makeup, I have a profound duty to interject myself furiously into the gene pool.

It is a burden, but I carry it with pride.

((((((((((((((Note: the hizzahs better have all hygeine issues fully resolved first.)))))))))))))))

[Baron X]

When and how do you determine when you will have sex with one of your fellows?

I'm not sure how women decide, but men would determine who they wanted to have sex with before we boarded the plane. We would be sizing up the women, assigning numbers based on certain criteria and running through the different disaster scenarios that would provide us with the opportunity to put our plan in to action. Once we actually survived a disaster scenario we would re-evaluate our rankings to see if adjustments needed to be made: is that her blood? points off. Did she just take off her top to make a pillow for that other girl? points to both. Did that crying chick just blow a snot bubble? points off. Once rankings were reset as many as 6 plans can be put into motion simultaneously to insure best chance of species survival.

[Jooced]

^^ OH man.... that's the best thread I've read all day!

It's funny because it's true.

[JacksGirlfriend]

I realized I never answered my own question. The first few weeks are for survival - but I am still weighing my options very carefully because my comfort and happiness may depend on my decision. The next few weeks are to make the moves and get to know the person I've chosen. After that... well, after that I'm spoken for. And if I anticipate real competition, then I move even faster. I'm not one to sit idly by and watch my options vanish.

JacksGirl

[Sleeestack]

That's right JG...........early bird gets the worm.

[jekelish]

so how do we rate the survivors, from 1-10? 1 being "not even if we were on a deserted island...oh wait, we are!" while 10 is snog-tastic.

Kate=10

after that, i care not.

:hat

[SelfProjectRealized]

I saw "Castaway" with Hanks, and I am busting a nut as soon as I have the chance.


(Pause)

[pirate2323]

They can all have sex starting in season 2 if the rating start to go down. Until then, no NOOKIE unless you're single.

[jekelish]

do you think Hanks ever got frisky with Wilson the volleyball?

:hat

[azteclady]

and how can we be sure who's single? so far we know precious little and we imagine and theorize a good deal.


Beto

[Sleeestack]

SPR--where are my MP3's?

Don't tell me you don't think Tom is the shizzle...:o

[16L43]

Good question...

My thoughts? The last episode of the last season (season 7) when everyone gets off the island and returns triumphantly to whatever new life awaits them. Life on the island's going to be a struggle enough without the added high school-like conflict of who's going to be bagging whom...

(Besides, filmic sex is boring, overly melodramatic, poorly executed, hugely over-romanticized and [just] plainly tedious to look at. I'll take the action/adventure/sci-fi/fantasy elements of the show over the dewey-eyed dronings of an annoyingly cute couple, any day of the week...):D

[azteclady]

16, I beg you! come to the chatroom! *chuckle*


Beto

[SelfProjectRealized]

SPR--where are my MP3's?


Calm yourself. I don't just throw some ish together. I need to make my mixes just right.

Oh, and to keep this on topic - SEX!

:lol


^^^ do you really think that guy's meant to be doing a "laughing" motion?


:smokin

[JacksGirlfriend]

That's right JG...........early bird gets the worm.

Why waste time? I figure I'm going to be here for awhile. Might as well be comfy.

JacksGirl

[jekelish]

god only knows how many attractive extras there are...you may have up to a week to plant the seeds for future...well, seed planting.

:hat

[JacksGirlfriend]

Just remember SBSSG is taken.

JacksGirl

[Baron X]

Yes, they did have sex, that is what he was apologizing for when Wilson made his escape. He thought Wilson would get picked up and tell others his sad, sad tale of abuse at the hands of a two time Oscar winner.

[jekelish]

haha, now that's funny...wilson "made his escape." you think he was planning that one for awhile?

"tom, come on, that is NOT your 'air pump'!"

:hat

[Sleeestack]

Really? I heard they had a ball.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Yes, but as someone already pointed out... what happens on the island stays on the island.

JacksGirl

[jekelish]

so if there's an "odd man out" among the survivors...it's kosher for him to get busy with something inanimate?

:hat

[16L43]

azteclady--Perhaps I will stop by the chat room, one of these days. At the moment, my agent's been calling me every two hours asking me where the screenplay I'm working on, is. Until that beast is done, my time here is VERY limited...

[Sleeestack]

Parole agent?;)

[drypelia]

At last! A topic that interests me!

Have we determined yet what the ratio of males to females is? In other words, will we have to share? If we have to share anyway, I'm not going to bother staking a claim. I'm just going to wander from one to another as the whim strikes. But not for at least several months. It would take me that long to decide that help was not coming any time soon.

dry, who despite considerable searching of the site, still can't figure out what "GFGTH" means......

[doxtater]

"gods freaking gift to humanity" aka Boone

[CathyTheGreat]

Mrs. Chuck is going to slap Chuck The Extra upside the head if he keeps talkin that @#%$.

I think 7 days is way too early to be considering sex, they're still trying to figure out how to survive.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Cathy: We're going on the assumption we've been stuck for awhile.

Dry: Good plan. But I'm still staking my claim. The other women will just have to fight me for him.

JacksGirl

[CathyTheGreat]

I would think after a few months, when it's become obvious that they aren't being rescued, some people are going to start moving on. I'm not sure that I would be moving on that quickly, but I'm sure that some would be eager to get back to the normalcy of life, which includes relationships.

[Baron X]

a few months? That would be points off.

[railwaymadness]

This could all be helped along if those darn pirates would show up with the rum already!

Lacking rum, it'll be at least four rescue-free weeks before the hope completely evaporates and we hit our depression low. Then a few more weeks to climb up out of it. So it looks like I agree with the "second season" prediction for the attached folks. Singles, though, should be getting busy within a week. All that physical exertion, the wanton display of flesh, the pheromones flying wild ... it's clearly orgy time. And in a small community like that, they have to learn how to deal courteously with exes sooner or later.

[PlaneJane22]

The question is, does being on a deserted island mean that people are going to abandon mainstream hetero/vanilla norms or try to renforce them as strongly as possible ... going all conservative. And it would be interesting to see what the break down of males vs females is because if there's a lot more guys than available women, you know it's either going to 'cause mad fights or they'll start figuring out "alternative" relationships.

[great2bwanted]

please, I don't know about y'all but once I'm on that island all bets are off. In society we're restricted by rules of dating, wait till the fifth date or something like that for the first kiss, etc.
Why get to know these people better? If the monster can get you anytime? Just jump them one at a time and stick with the one you have more fun with...
And the one that can provide you with food and shelter. You don't want to marry these people for god's sakes.
Besides I don't think men or women can go that long without sex, especially with an abundance of sexy bodies walking around on that beach.

[Stu1961]

The survivors have already been through enough - I'm not sure they could handle having two monsters on the loose.:eek ;)

Under "normal" conditions it would probably take several months. But given the predicament they are in with all the bonding opportunities presented by working together to simply survive, the tropical heat, scantily clad bods, time to spare, and having the inevitability of being stranded sink in (no ships sighted or vapor trails) - probably about a half hour after the plane engine blew on the beach.

[DriftWood]

After dinner?

[morbius47]

Maybe the question should be, "When is sex NOT appropriate?";)

[Suil Liath]

This is a big question. Not only when is it appropriate but IF it is. There won't be enough birth control on the island, children will result. Are these guys prepared to raise a next generation there? And what becomes of THAT generation?

These are big issues.

Over time they'd probably figure out that even if they aren't rescued, that the hope would be that eventually SOMEONE would come to the island (unless they discover something about it that precludes discovery).

So there's your problem. None of them, with the exception of Locke and possibly Sun, know enough about botany to determine which plants might prevent or abort a pregnancy. As they go along, there will be a disparity between the number of women and the number of men. Some people might not like the choices for a partner well enough and won't make one. Some may NEVER want to make one because there is someone back home.

Sex has consequences - children result and have to be cared for. A guy like Sawyer -- does he think that far? Of course not. Most men don't. Hell, most women don't. But that's the net result.

So who is going to raise these kids? Would a guy like Sawyer take responsibility? Would you suggest that the kid wasn't his but someone elses?
Or will the men start to dominate the women and lock up their vaginas, so to speak, so that each man knows which his kid is (men being more likely to want to provide for his own biological child than for someone else's).

If this happens will any of the women go along with this notion?

There are certainly problems you wouldn't have, like childhood diseases, since the kids wouldn't be exposed to the same contagions as they would in a more populous setting. But there would be illnesses the parents couldn't treat either. So what would the infant mortality rate be?

Or adult care giver mortality rate for that matter.

Remember Tarzan? Parents die and leave the infant by himself. Only there aren't any accomodating gorillas on our island, that we know of.


Suppose one of the group has a disease? And passes it on to his/her partner. Who passes it on....

It's going to be interesting to see how the writers address this as we go along.

-Kit-

[morbius47]

I think Baron would definitely take points off for this much contemplation.

[cinderellabop]

Well, being single myself, I think I'd go for it pretty quickly. Normally, I'm kind of a prude, but I would think having survived an event that, by all logic, I should not have survived, I'd be willing to go for some life-affirming, "seize the day" type action. My only issues would be privacy and hygiene.

And someone please tell me that all guys don't think like Baron does! :eek Because THAT is a HUGE turn-off to women. I wouldn't want to think that the guy is "rating" me.

[16L43]

Most of the guys I know think the way Baron does (I do, to a certain extent) for the simple fact that they've been judged and categorized by WOMEN all THEIR lives. How?

What kind of clothes we wear, what kind of car we drive, is our apartment or home cluttered, how many chest hairs we have sticking out the top of our fashionably unbuttoned two buttons golf or rugby shirt, how long our hair is, did we shave before the date, how much money we have, are we a good prospect for a husband (ties in to all the above) do we have more than three pairs of jeans, four shirts, two pairs of athletic shoes, one pair of boots and one pair of dress shoes, do we own a suit, do we like sports, do we drink to excess, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...

Too much work and too much game playing...

[morbius47]

You ahould know you just lost points for asking if you were being rated or not. Girls that are onto our system are a big turn off. (Unless they don't mind, then they get bonus points)

[16L43]

Sleestack said--

"Parole agent?"

Answer--Nope! I only put people in jail, though my literary agent is every bit as hard as the warden of the federal pen at Marion!:D

[cinderellabop]

*sigh* I probably wouldn't get a lot of points to begin with... I don't look anything like Kate.

I'd tell you that I don't judge guys on the basis of those things, but I'd be lying. In fact, I'm extremely high-maintenance. But on the other hand, a lot of THOSE things would be non-factors on a deserted island. I wouldn't be able to see your house or your car. Everybody's hair will get long and messy, and their clothes are going to get dirty and torn. So we women would have to drop our standards and look beyond superficial things for our partners. Would you guys be able to say the same?

[Sleeestack]

To all those women who espouse themselves as "high maintenance," I strongly recommend the cult classic sci fi movie, entitled, "A Boy and his Dog."

[morbius47]

Well, personally, you not looking like Kate would be a good thing. And, yes, I could get past not knowing what kind of house a woman lived in or what kind of car she drove.

[cinderellabop]

Actually I meant the appearance thing, not the house/car issue. Again, those are not really factors on the island. But going back to Baron's post, would you mind if my hair got tangled and greasy, or my face broke out in zits without the proper cleansing regimen?

[morbius47]

I know what you meant Cinderella, I was being evasive. Since you didn't notice, points to you. Your hair probably would get greasy, but the zits thing probably isn't a concern. That is largely a resulst of our diets, and they are not likely to have nearly as much junk in their systems to develop huge acne problems. Actually, the island experience could be great for the skin. Especially since none of these ladies seem to burn.
(Yes, I've seen the White Chicks thread, and yes Jekelish did miss the obvious Wayans brothers jokes)

[cinderellabop]

Oh, yeah, I missed the evasiveness. D'oh!

Actually, I just used the zit thing as an example... it's not a problem I myself have. I have very clear skin. Unfortunately, I would have trouble with the greasy hair--and it would look even worse, because I have red hair (does that get me any points?). And even worse, because I am a red-head, I also burn very easily. There is no way I wouldn't look like a lobster by now. Unless I made a deal with Sawyer for some sunscreen. And yeah, I'd do just about ANYTHING for it... ;)

[morbius47]

If you'd do "just about anything" for sunscreen, you've got all the points you need. You won't be lonely on the island. Just watch out for Chuck the Extra.

[cinderellabop]

Aaaaahhh... so that's how it works... I'll make sure not to let on that I know the secret.

[Sleeestack]

Morb and Cinder--perhaps your shameless flirting and sexual innuendo are more apropos for another forum. eHarmony.com? I find it inappropriate and pithy. Reviling, dare I say.

What this board needs is more handsome geniuses with humility. There are so few of us left.

[morbius47]

Sorry Slees. Will somebody please flirt with Slees, he needs some attention. Cinderella, he didn't seem to get bothered till you said you were a redhead. Maybe you could give him a little love?

[Sleeestack]

Thanks Morb--I am getting friggin carpal tunnel over here!

[morbius47]

:rollin

[cinderellabop]

Hey, Sleeestack, you know all you need is some sunscreen and I'm all yours.

[Chance Gardener]

Kate should be ok in the looks department for awhile yet. She still has time to put on eyeliner.

[prydain15]

Hmmm...this question is tough. I am 17 and therefore think about sex a lot, but I really want to wait until marriage, although it's hard, because there's lots of temptation, and, even though I don't really think so, girls seem to think I'm cute. I remember a couple of years ago when a girl was trying to uhhh..."pleasure" me on the bus. My tounge was haning all out and I was ... "aroused", but I said no.

Also, I sometimes think like the other guys on this board, but not often. When I like a girl I want to get to know them and be their friend, not just their sex partner. Given, if I was a character in "Lost" and everyone got horny and starting screwing each other, I might have a couple of girls that I really really liked but I'd probably have a few people I just used to screw with. Remember, though, I'd probably be one of the last on the island to start in this behavior, because I try to a religious person. ...

Anyway, I hope "Lost" doesn't approach this issue for a long while. Like a previous post, sex on TV can get old and boring. If it happens, let it happen completely off-screen and not have the characters talk about it continually. ABC already has "life as we know it" for that...

[JacksGirlfriend]

Will somebody please flirt with Slees, he needs some attention.

Miss me today?

JacksGirl

[jprez98]

Well, Kit, you're a kill-joy. All very good things to think about, but I know I wouldn't be thinking about it.

Being a single young woman, I would definatly say that I would have sex. I don't know when, but probably not too long after the crash. With all those people walking around with little clothing, and the nice bodies (has anyone else noticed that most of the people on Lost are good looking, not just Joe Blows), I would be very tempted. And any nice looking guy, doesn't have to be hot, just cute, that could push the right buttons would have me, as long as he's not a jerk. I would have to know him a little first, of course, but the hormones inside me would race, so it probably won't be too long. (Is it propper to use "hormones" to describe adults?)

But, yeah, definately sex. Lots of sex.

-Jen

[jekelish]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Sex is always appropriate. Except in church.

:hat

[Suil Liath]

Jprez: It's my life calling to be a buzz kill! :rollin

[JacksGirlfriend]

Kit - All of your cautions have been debated at great length in the chat room. We have, however, decided to have sex anyway. When on a beautiful island, go with instinct.

JacksGirl

[hobbitenvy]

Any fertile female with half a brain, otherwise committed or not, would probably want to avoid intercourse on the island. Besides the hygiene and privacy issues, the risk of becoming pregnant would be far too great. Getting pregnant in such conditions could be a death sentence. Certainly it would make it difficult to gather food or do any other kind of physical work, not to mention flee from wild boars, polar bears and invisible monsters. A pregnant female would be a burden to the rest of the group. No prenatal care, no painkillers during childbirth, and the only doctor around has a penchant for getting himself injured. Plus, does the group really need more mouths to feed? Even some of the men are probably bright enough to realize breeding is not a good idea in this situation. The obvious solution is to avoid intercourse and/or indulge in same-sex relationships.

[morbius47]

Note to heterosexuals on the island: Back away from the Hobbit.

[jprez98]

Well, despite how much the chance of having a baby would detter me from sex (since I haven't had one), I still think lust would overcome caution. Just speaking honestly. I know myself.

And, of course I'd probably freak out when I found out I was pregnant, especially on an island with no medical supplies. But afterwhile I'd probably get over it, except the fact, and start thinking of making a new life and new family on this new place. It's been done before by many tribes in many places, I can do it too.

-Jen

[Sleeestack]

What if you are a guy who had a vasectomy and was hoarding a ton of penicilin and f. hygiene products?

[morbius47]

You're the King of The Island, Slees.

[gscaleta]

Morbius -- slees is coming to the treehouse

[morbius47]

Okay, but he's got to bring his own woman.

[Sleeestack]

Okay, but he's got to bring his own woman.

Or Hobbitenvy... I will bring him a pillow to bite.

[gscaleta]

haha. Nice to see morbius and I are not the only "disturbed" people on the boards. Nice to have you with us. WELCOME!!

[hobbitenvy]

Re: vasectomy, do you have a dr.'s note attesting to it as a fact? Without proof, sounds like just another pickup line to me.

Even w/o the vasectomy, hoarding the feminine hygeine products alone would make you king of the island.

[Sleeestack]

Who said the "f" stands for feminine?;)

And I would rather be "Captain of the Cave," than "King of the Island." Monarchies are simply too much responsibility.

Or maybe, "Prince of Anarchy"?

Or, how about, "Pimp Daddy GrandMaster Funk Doctor Sleeeeeese"? I could enlist a bevy of hos for profit and barter!

[gscaleta]

Ok slees I'm sure morbius and I can make a deal with you. You can have the cave and any extra's you want. We have the monster on our side and have claims to kate, claire, rose, sun and shannon. But shannon keeps bitching about her nails breaking while building our tree house so we may give her up but we want access to the water in return??

[morbius47]

I think you mean Sun, unless you want Jin for some scary reason.

[gscaleta]

someone has to catch the fish and make the Saki and sushi

[OneIrishRover]

Ok

We're in deep here.

At least two posters are fast becoming FWB.

One poster actually makes the case that sex won't take place if folks are smart enough to use their brains.

Hello!

I'm smart enough to figure this out:

Pregnancy bad for both parties.

Remedy is like shampooing:

First, pleasure me orally then I pleasure her anyway she wants.

Repeat (and repeat):b

[morbius47]

This will all be moot when Sayid announces, "Thank God for contraceptives smugglers."

[hobbitenvy]

OneIrishRover, I am not, nor have I ever been, a Free Will Baptist.

I'm with you... stick with safer forms of sex.

[azteclady]

hey, and why do you go first, One???? That's what I want to know!!!!



Beto
equality in all things I say!

[LostinTrinity]

I think there IS some debate as to whether that IS sex or not. ;)

[kat]

I think a lot of it will depend on whether Claire lives or dies. If she dies in child birth, I think a lot of people will be thinking twice about having sex because the fear of pregnancy will be that much greater. If she lives (and there aren't huge complications), there will probably be more of an attitude that pregnancy is still not desired, but wouldn't be as scary.

As for when I think it's appropriate from an emotional standpoint - I can only speak from a married point of view. There'd be the time it took to lose hope of rescue plus mourning of the loss of that previous life. Even after that, I think sex would only happen if I developed a relationship with someone that led to sex. That means it's the time I mentioned before plus the time for the relationship to develop. But by then all the single people probably would have taken all the good men. ;)

[JacksGirlfriend]

And I would rather be "Captain of the Cave," than "King of the Island."

Are you dressed as a pirate for this captaincy? If so, show me where I sign.

JacksGirl

[Dmcquickly]

The loved ones back at home are probably starting to move on with their lives and may now be hooking up.

Newcomer to the boards?

It's been, what, now, 16 days since they crashed? Bit early to start moving on, when there's been no word at all as to what happened to them. Many people from 9/11 who lost husbands/wives are having trouble "moving on." And they know where their loved ones were.

[maxpublic]

Well, well. I go away for awhile and y'all start turning the board into a sleazy porn fest. Bully for you!

It'll take me awhile to run through all of these new and interesting threads, especially since real life is so very, very busy at the moment, but who could possibly turn down the opportunity to shed a little drool on the keyboard over the idea of sex with the likes of Kate or the other ladies on the island? So many cute young thangs to play with....

But seriously, how long will the survivors wait? Depends on the individuals, of course, but despite the lack of medical care and the possible dangers of pregnancy human beings have proven time and again that no matter what the risks or inconveniences they're more than willing to get down and dirty at the first opportunity. The "first opportunity" will vary from person to person, but eventually there will come a time when they'll be inclined to say "yes" to a little horizontal mambo.

If you think otherwise, I invite you to ponder the simple little fact that you're living on this planet with over six BILLION other people, most of which were produced without a lick of modern First World medical care - which, at any rate, has only been available for less than a century (everything prior to that being purest snake oil). Humans have been happily humping like rabbits for a few million years down the evolutionary line and don't seem at all inclined to curtail their activities, no matter what blather the religious right seems compelled to yammer on about.

Now, if the question is when would *I* be inclined to start hitting up the ladies, well, the answer might be "never" - and I have good reason to think that might be true. I'm not inclined to go into details here, but suffice to say my wife isn't at all bothered if I have sex with another woman so long as I don't bring home any unpleasant and incurable bugs, or get myself involved in a "Fatal Attraction" sort of situation. She doesn't confuse sex with love, like so many of use are inclined to do, and isn't at all concerned that I'll dump her for someone else simply because I dipped my wick in foreign waters.

That being said, I've discovered that being able to do the very thing that so many other married men wish they could do rather diminishes the appeal of the adventure. In the end you wonder if it's worth the time, energy, and head-games to end up having sex that's almost certain to be inferior to what you're experiencing at home. The entire idea starts looking like a royal bother.

The counter to that is that you're stuck on the island without your mate, and that would change things. But knowing that what you're separated from is so very superior to what's available...it seems to me that despite the presence of beauties like Kate and Claire and Shannon, in the end they'd only remind me of what I don't have, and what I'll be pining for so long as I'm stuck on that blasted island.

Sawyer can have Kate. I'll be spending all of my spare time building a damned boat so I can go home, or die trying.

Max

[JacksGirlfriend]

It certainly took you long enough to say you aren't interested in the sex, Max, but I don't care about that.

Where have you been? I missed you!!!

JacksGirl

[Suil Liath]

Here's a thought: the couples that we are seeing - well we presume they will be couples -- these are all people who might have gotten involved with each other had they met under ordinary circumstances. But because their pre crash lives were headed 90 miles an hour down a one way street, that wasn't possible.

The crash, as we have determined anyway, is giving them a chance to rectify issues in their lives (some will, some won't).

So whoever winds up boffing who would have done so in a less precarious reality.

As far as the folks back home: some people never move on. Absent a body or evidence of a crash, some people would just grief endlessless and never move on

And for the islanders? I'm betting they'll still be lighting that signal fire til hey denude the island.

I'd do Sawyer in a heartbeat, btw. I like bad boys. But after that I'd have to finagle my way between Charlie and Claire and um -- you know---make Charlie show me how to eat peanut butter......

-Kit-

[chrisberni]

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Suil Liath honey, join the back of the queue! :evil

[jprez98]

Despite how much I really like Charlie, I would never break up the Charlie/Claire thing. It's just too great. But then again, I'm not much for breaking anyone up. I'd probably find a red shirt. Plenty of them out there. :D

-Jen

[Sleeestack]

Edited. ;)

[Ravensfury]

I agree with you guys. It depends... on a lot of things really.

If you're single, or merely dating someone, I'd say the time frame is probably minimal. Your boyfriend or girlfriend has probably given you up for dead... and you find someone with whom you connect.... badda bing badda bang ...

But the more complicated the relationships are that you left behind, the longer it would take I think. For instance, having children back home or being married... it should be more than a couple weeks before you give up on them in my opinion, no matter how hot the island people are. LOL

I'd say at least a couple months, if you were in a good marriage or had a family...

Of course, having sex on an island without much in the way of birth control... not sure how wise that would be. What are they going to do? Ration out the condoms they found in the suitcases. LOL (Will be interesting to see how or if this is addressed when people start forming intimate relationships)

[LostinTrinity]

Maybe Locke can make condoms out of pig skins or something.

[morbius47]

*shudder*

[doxtater]

*shudder*

I'll second that

[jprez98]

They used to use pig skins for condoms in the colonial days, or was that sheep's bladder?

Wouldn't it be great for them to fight over condoms? See who gets top priority. Boone and Shannon? (JK) Charlie and Claire don't need any for a while. Jack and Kate will only get together Godknowswhen. And I'm sure Sawyer has all the condoms in his stash anyway. Must bargain from Sawyer "caveman style." That could go on to have a new meaning.

-Jen

[JacksGirlfriend]

Edited.

Sleees - Do I even want to imagine what you might have written there?

JacksGirl

[Woodnymph12]

or was that sheep's bladder?I think those were used to prevent earthquakes.

[Mithril379]

After a traumatic event I think there would be a lot of sex happening. Not the thought out "planning a relationship" type sex, but a more basic need to affirm they're alive. There were aricles published after 9/11 noting a marked rise in sexual activity. I live in NYC, and there was pleanty of what people were terming "terrorism sex" around.

[Cassis1]

If pregnancy is going to be our main consideration--rather than those measley emotional or health considerations--we're going about this completely backward.

The sexual escapades should start NOW, or at least the very moment everyone is patched up from the plane crash. Let the survival games wait a while--we have up to 28 days or so until the birth control pills/patches run out (maybe more for a lucky few who have extras or are on the long-term pill), and most women are probably not overly fertile for at least a few months after that. (Kate could be out of luck here. I assume that being on the run from the law makes it difficult to get a prescription filled.)

Anyway: sex now, food/shelter/communications later.

And she who had brought her diaphragm ends up as Queen of the Island.

[Sleeestack]

JG: Yes you would.

Since Lost is getting boring (excepting of course, the kiss)--your imagination needs sophisticated fodder.

[JacksGirlfriend]

Okay then.... I'll return the favor. Just imagine what I might be thinking.

JacksGirl

[tiny128]

Well I am married and all I have to say is....What heppens on the Island stays on the Island. I couldn't resist with Sawyer running around with his shirt off or naked for that matter! I would have given I a day though! :rollin

[railwaymadness]

Whoa JacksGirl, I wasn't ready for that. :o

[JacksGirlfriend]

Railway: I'm just full of surprises. Sorry I made you blush.

JacksGirl

[InTheStars4105]

Personally speaking, if I was on an island like that I wouldn't expect to be rescued. I wouldn't sit around and just wait to be rescued. I would "dig in" and try to make some life for myself, whatever that may be. So, personally I don't think there is anything wrong with having sex (in that situation) as long as there was feeling behind the physical action.

They each have a chance to start over and become new people.

[TheBigFan]

wow!

[Jason and the ARGonauts]

Minute 2.

[azteclady]

There have been a couple of comments in the recent episodes about romantic entanglements - aside from the Sayid/Shannon dêbacle - so I think this thread is once again relevant.

What is your take about Jack and Ana Lucía's possible relationship? (hinted at twice by Sawyer when talking to Kate), or Kate and Jack's relationship (hinted at by Ana Lucía with the "you hitting that?" comment).

Please keep in mind that neither the original poster nor I are talking about shippers, but more about the current circumstances and group dynamics we've seen.

These people have been stranded going on two months... when would sex be appropriate under the circumstances? Monsters, others, group division, etc?

[jenrn615]

I am married... (disclaimer) and i think sex would be appropriate. Monsters and dangerous situations taken in consideration. I think it would be instigated by the women and i think it would be determined by the female's optimism about being rescued. First encounters would occur during low periods of optimism about rescue.
I think women will be the agressors because they now how to use sex in return for protection. Find a man who will protect you.
Claire would not be as likely to seek sex because of breastfeeding and the affect hormones and childcare have on sex drive, but all he other women will be out to stake their territory.
I do believe the 'what happens on the island stays on the island' rule would be in effect.

[Khan]

I'm not a shipper either so I don't spend much time at that part of the forum.
It's nice to be able to discuss couples without really caring who hooks up.

That said,these are adults,unless they have a moral issue with sex outside of marriage or someone that they are being faithful to,the only real problem would be the threat of pregnancy.Many ancient cultures had better ways then the modern ones to prevent that,and it's possible Sun may know of some.It's also possible something about the Island affects conception,why else would the Others want children if they could make their own?

Jack and AnaL do seem have something going on. He knows the things she's done but he's awful quick to forgive her anything and he's equally quick to jump down Kates throat at the slightest provocation.As a couple they're well matched,high handed depotic leader wannabee types ,who think only thier opinions should law,and are willing to do whatever it takes to enforce them. Both jump to conclusions without worrying about little details like the facts and both are quick to turn on anyone disobeys thier wishes.As long as they agree on a direction,they would get along beautifully,but heaven help those around them.

Sawyer and Kate.There are so many emotional walls that makes getting together near impossible right now.Neither one seems capable of just a casual sexual relationship with each other,they both seem to expect more than the other is willing to give emotionally.Yet they are drawn together because both feel thet are outcasts. They also seem to have a deep understanding of each other.However, for some reason Kate appears to be hung up on Jack.Yet when she kissed Jack,it seemed more like she was kissing a wet fish.When she kissed Sawyer the jungle almost caught fire.TPTB may want it to be Kate and Jack, but the chemistry is between Kate and Sawyer.Those two are more alike,Sawyer doesn't feel the need to control her,he respects her independence and sees her as an equal. Jack is critical and judgemental concerning Kate,he's always telling what to do and when to do it. And if she doesn't comply he pouts and gives her the cold shoulder, life with him would be miserable for a free spirit like Kate.

[Canadianchick]

I agree to a degree. I am a married woman. I would find it very hard to sleep with another man because I am so in love with my husband. I do think that after 2 months of no rescue I would realize we are there for the long haul if not forever. In that case of course you would look for a mate/spouce/companion. Someone to keep you safe, take care of you or some one you can take care of.

As for what happens on the island stays on the island. That I don't agree with. I'm quite sure that after being missing and presumed dead for 2 months it would be time to move on. ( I would hope it would be longer then 2 months) but you know what I mean. Everyone thinks the losties are dead they have mourned and are in process of moving on. Remember Cast Away with Tom Hanks. He came back and his girlfriend was married to another man. So if they have moved on they need to know as well that you had to move on too in the thought you were never going to be found.

[jenrn615]

I guess i should clarify 'what happens on the island stays on the island' as i see it... this implies that if you and i hook up...then when we leave the island, you and i never happened and we go back to our lives. If i choose to tell my spouse is up to me... The new 'us' does not exist. Likewise, you tell your spouse what you feel is appropriate.

[jenrn615]

personally I would have to tell my spouse...

[Canadianchick]

Ya I would to. Even if Sawyer fell madly in love with me (as I know he would if I was there) :rotfl: I would still have to tell my hubby..

[Maddy]

So for those on the island who don't believe in sex outside of marriage, at what point would it be appropriate to establish soem kind of tribal "law" that says you are married. I mean, they have only been on the island for a few months, but after a year or so, would you think that island survivors would initiate some kind of custom to signify marriage?

[Khan]

Good point. Captians on ships used to be able to marry couples.
Sooner or later they should set up what amounts to a legal system anyway.
It would call for a settled system of authority that would be able to institute binding laws and agreements.

[feeblemind]

I've been waiting for all this to just break lose with a vengence with everbody sleeping with everbody and then we find out that Hanso is just...


Jerry Springer!!

[azteclady]

I know it was pointed out somewhere before, I'll have to hunt up links to individual posts later but: what about STDs? what about birth control?

Ana Lucía says to Jack, "because she's hot, you are hot, it's what people do." But again, let's not forget these people find themselves in very unusual circumstances where on the one hand they may still hope for rescue (hope is notoriously stubborn to die), and on the other they face unknown foes - the Others* who kidnapped Cindy and the other tailies, the Others* who kidnapped Walt, the Others* who spawned Ethan, and whatever rips trees out.

*I don't know if all these Others are in collusion with one another or not, hence my listing them separately.

[Khan]

True,but the need for sex is as strong as the need for food,water and shelter.
People are better at surpressing it,but in the long run it results in damage.
Every society that has been repressive has been extremely perverted,it was not always talked about but it was there. Every society that celebrates sexuality has been heathy in that regard.There are places where the people run around nude except for a string that is worn as a status symbol and yet rape,molestation,etc are basically unheard of.In those places sex is not hidden or dirty and children are given a positive view of it.
The fear of pregnancy and STDs won't be able to keep normal men and women apart for long.As I said before, Sun or someone else may have knowledge of birth contol that has been used for ages among the so called primative peoples of the world.It's funny how we think modern man has all the answers when ancient societies had even more then most people have now. The Roman roads in some places are still in use,will we be able to say that about any modern road in the future?There were many forms of pregnancy prevention in the old world,some of which most think are modern such as the condom.

[dp2]

Not to pour cold water on this, but just how many babies do you want birthed on this island? I'm sure they found a few birth control items in the luggage, but there couldn't have been THAT many.

Edited to acknowledge several similar posts came in above mine while I wasn't looking.

[wickedsweet]

I'm married, I'm not even trapped on the island but if Sawyer came my way the hubby would have to understand.

[Khan]

Bad girl,bad,bad girl.

[wickedsweet]

Bad girl,bad,bad girl.

You have no idea:naughty: Ok, you probably have some idea:D

[Blackhawk]

I know it was pointed out somewhere before, I'll have to hunt up links to individual posts later but: what about STDs? what about birth control?

Whenever they need something they seem to have access to it. Judging by how they were able to get all of the tarps, water bottles, razors, medicine, and everything else, they probably also found an industrial-sized crate of condoms on the plane as well.

[wickedsweet]

lurkeeloo said
Well as a married woman - I personally would have to pass. But that's only because after 2 months of being missing that my husband probably would be shacked up with someone else and the thought of the guilt trip I would be enable to inflict, the alimony I would collect, the insurance benefits he would have to pay back, just the sheer agony I could put him through is enough to keep me chaste - jk

:clap: :rotfl: :rotfl: Now that might just be worth forsaking Sawyer for...nah, though it is a fun thought!:D

[Bunny Frou Frou]

True,but the need for sex is as strong as the need for food,water and shelter.

Well, that's actually only partly true. People die without food and water; they do not die from lack of sex. (Purely psychological, that one.) It's important and hard wired into us, yes, but that's from a procreational necessity. It has become a recreational necessity, sure, but no one's gonna die from not getting laid.

The Castaways have only been on the island for what, 50 days at this point? For me personally, I wouldn't be knocking boots, single or not. I think most people would still be in survival mode and holding out hope that they would go home at some point. It's really hard to think about sex when your life is in danger, no matter what the movies say. And it's only been like two months, right? Does that mean that people on business trips for that long should be banging away at whatever is nearest to them despite a spouse at home?

Once it either gets to the "we're screwed and not leaving this place" phase, or the "it's been over a year, my SO will understand" phase, or the "I can't believe they passes out the Wild Turkey last night leaving me with a killer hangover and no underwear" phase then it'll be kosher to start looking for a mate or a booty call. (I guess they would have a booty drum?)

[jagermyster70]

when is it ever appropriate to have sex? I mean, there are people that would sleep with someone they just met 3 hours ago...married or not. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that, or trying to start a morality discussion here...just noting that people have waited CONSIDERABLY less time before shacking up than most of the Losties have...

[ILikeLostBrunettes]

I'm sure the ladies are still giving the "Not tonight, I have a headache" excuse...

[jagermyster70]

I'm sure the ladies are still giving the "Not tonight, I have a headache" excuse...

all depends on who's asking....;)

oh and yeah, I know....the potato is scary....

[Khan]

Well, that's actually only partly true. People die without food and water; they do not die from lack of sex. (Purely psychological, that one.) It's important and hard wired into us, yes, but that's from a procreational necessity. It has become a recreational necessity, sure, but no one's gonna die from not getting laid.

True you won't physically die without sex,but humans are not merely physical. The repression of the sex drive can cause deep psychological problems that manifests in all manner of perversions and social difficulties.
Foot binding in Japan was based on sex,genital mutilation in certain countries is a way to control the sex of drive of females,the pressure on women to dress in socially acceptable ways is based on sex, etc. People were not born wanting to do these things or inflict them on others,it has to start with someone who has a sexual problem,with enough influence to make it everybodys problem.
Sex will affect you as much as food and water, even if you are not engaged in the act itself,it permeates everything in life in one way or another.Without a proper outlet,the drive just goes underground and usually comes out in surprising and negative ways.

[azteclady]

(...) but no one's gonna die from not getting laid. (...)And a good thing too. ;)

Anyway, while I agree with Khan on how much of the ways and mores of modernday human kind owe the influence of sexuality, I tend to agree more with BFF, and say that two months, especially in the circumstances our survivors find themselves, is way too soon.

Back to the issue, and foregoing the possible and very convenient magical appearance of a condom factory somewhere in Craphole Island, I see the assumption that Sun should know traditional, so-called folk birth control methods bandied about rather freely. This could very well be (see Sun's coursework (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4257) for some cool discussion), but again, no method but abstinence is fool proof, and this still doesn't address the issue of STDs. I for one believe that the entire Jack / Sawyer exchange over the latter's headaches ("Have you ever had sex with a prostitute?") was staged by TPTB as a teasing poke at viewers who were calling for hook ups as early as the fifth episode of the first season.

[Khan]

Locke could make comdoms,early ones used animal entrails and such. They were reusable. It was quite an industry, also there was a plant that was harvested to death that the ancients used that was an effective birth control.
This place has polar bears and a monster made of smoke,for all we know condoms or birth control grows on trees there.

[Lost_RuNNeR]

Lol rubber trees! I have a feeling this thread has posting potential for 50 pages:D

[JacksGirlfriend]

Okay so it feels like time to start talking about this again.

[LostInWilderness]

Way before now.

[Mattie]

If someone was flying with a paternity test I doubt the writers will have a problem telling us they flew with condoms.

[3519273540]

If someone was flying with a paternity test I doubt the writers will have a problem telling us they flew with condoms.

even if they did, the number is finite. at some point, they will run out.

[plokij]

They will have to invent their own. This could get interesting. Banana leaf condoms :eyebrow: :scared: :rotfl:

[PandoraX]

Paternity test? Banana leaf condoms? Yikes! The day they come up with those, this show will definitely have
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[TheDLC]

Probably at the point you've lost all hope of being rescued. Who's to say your off island love hasn't moved on because he/she thinks your dead? See Castaway for eloboration.

[Darko]

Temptation wouldnt set in for me, simple..

[LostInWilderness]

Boar gut condoms.

[PandoraX]

Time for a bump (and grind).

[I Like Freckles]

It would seem to be appropriate for all unmarried female characters prior to their untimely removal from the regular cast. Hell, libby got offed for just thinking about it and make preparations for some oceanside Hurleying.

[Mysterious Mike]

When is Sex Appropriate? - Apparently when you need a gun from Sawyer. So does that mean there will be a giant Lostie orgy so they can get some straps from Sawyer to go after the "Others".



Boar gut condoms.



:rotfl:

[A Lost Cause]

So does that mean there will be a giant Lostie orgy so they can get some straps from Sawyer to go after the "Others".
LMFAO!:rotfl:

[PandoraX]

When is Sex Appropriate? - Apparently when you need a gun from Sawyer.



:rotfl:


Apparently, sex is the new currency on the island. If only "Survivor" were this much fun...

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[LostInWilderness]

It would seem to be appropriate for all unmarried female characters prior to their untimely removal from the regular cast. Hell, libby got offed for just thinking about it and make preparations for some oceanside Hurleying.
You have this bassackwards. If you're a hot chick and you have sex, you die. All the hot chicks should abstane! Please listen Kate and Sun! Play hard to get (until we meet later, I mean).

[JacksGirlfriend]

Just chiming in.

Isn't sex always appropriate?

(I was so politically correct in the old days)

[Mysterious Mike]

Just chiming in.

Isn't sex always appropriate?

(I was so politically correct in the old days)



Yes it sure is but on our island of mystery apparently there has to be a firearm involved.

[Budman]

Okay - you're stranded on a beautiful lush tropical island. You're surrounded by temptation - beautiful women, hunky men, some that are just okay (but tempting nonetheless). You are a married man/woman or in a committed relationship. When is it appropriate to decide to take the next step? When and how do you determine when you will have sex with one of your fellows?

If they're married, I would have to believe after six months the thought seriously crosses the mind that maybe the spouse may have moved on. But one may hold out hope for getting off the island/rescued, so they may not act on those feelings.

Between a year and two years, I would imagine one becomes resigned to accepting that they are on the island and if there is someone that they have a strong relationship with, to act on those emotions.

Regardless of whether you are married or not, the one thing that you would have to keep in the back of your mind is, okay, if I have sex am I ready to be pregnant. I don't think Hanso is suppling Condoms or Birth Control. Though I may be wrong.

And any woman who does get pregnant runs the risk of being abducted by the Others. So, from my perspective, most women wouldn't want to engage in sex because of that.

But I got the sense from a previous episode is that some of the other survivors may have been engaging in extra-marital relations.