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pinnerman
10-14-04, 03:31 AM
Here's what I said in an earlier post when I was reading into Damon Lindeloff's and JJ Abrams quotes:
That’s where the makers of this show are going LONG TERM. That’s why I think the creatures in the trees will be very significant to the storyline once we finally figure out what they are. The THREAT OF WHAT THESE CREATURES ARE might not be as important as WHAT THEIR VERY EXISTENCE MIGHT SIGNIFY: That the chances of getting off that island are very, very slim, based on what is there, and how long it’s been there undiscovered.
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That was me on 9-28-04. Here's what JJ Abrams is quoted as saying in a 10-10-04 Boston Globe article from www.lostfansite.com:
The creature will be ``more of an underlying threat,'' he said. ``It's more about what it represents. If you have something that represents terror and fear and the darkness of this place, to me that's incredibly valuable.''
www.lostfansite.com/news-oct10d.html (http://www.lostfansite.com/news-oct10d.html)
Man, I hate being right SOME of the time. I'm just angry that Locke probably didn't actually SEE the creature in the woods, he probably saw a vision of something else because he's clearly delusional, at least we have more proof that its not a carnivore, it didn't eat him.
As it stands right now, what does everyone think the creature is?
Colonel Sanders luvs Lost
10-14-04, 12:06 PM
A mammoth. An Ancestral mammoth to be more precise.
there's no way that many people would be that close to a mammoth without seeing it.
UTFAN22
10-14-04, 01:38 PM
This probably far fetched, but what if it's a race of giants?
A 10' tall "lost" species......
In my opinion, I don't think it is anything that tangible. Based on Locke's quote from next week's episode, and I paraphrase;
"I looked into the eye of this island, and I saw magic"
I think it is far more spiritual. Just a thought.
Colonel Sanders luvs Lost
10-14-04, 04:23 PM
Maybe what killed the pilot and what Locke saw where two different things.....
I remember reading a classic horror short story (maybe HP Lovecraft?) a long time ago which was about this creature that was invisible because it was a color that the human eye couldn't perceive. i.e. ultraviolet, etc. At the very least, Charlie and Locke should have seen this thing and either A) they're lying about seeing it B) It can't be seen or C) It causes such fear that the mind blanks it out
sunnysixkiller
10-14-04, 07:04 PM
I hope you didn't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.
:p
AilaAolani
10-14-04, 07:21 PM
am i the only one who thought i saw mechanical interference or light distortion when Kate "saw" the creature?
chaos28
10-14-04, 08:49 PM
I didn't notice it this time, but I thought in a previous episode there was some blur distortion.
Pinn. You still think it's Mammoths ? I for one do.
Locke looked up at it coming through the big bushes, we got a beast perspective camera shot, it was about 4 or 5 feet taller than locke. It smelt him A LOT. and it never came close enough to enter our field of view, therefore I believe it extended its trunk...
It would also seem magical, and if they saw friggin Mammoths, they're screwed, cause NO ONE knows of this island....otherwise there would be POACHERS and treasure hunters...the Mammoths didn't get off, neither will they.
"More of an underlying threat..."
I was thinking mammoth myself for awhile but what kind of "underlying threat" could a mammoth present, especially taken with the "represents terror and fear and the darkness of this place" comment?
It'll be fascinating, I'm sure!
(The three things I hate most in the world are snakes, lizards and bugs which would effectively keep me the hell away from any jungle scape!):lol
(The three things I hate most in the world are snakes, lizards and bugs which would effectively keep me the hell away from any jungle scape!)
*cough*
There are exceptions of course!:)
Heh, thanks. Didn't really take it that personal :)
Maybe it's just big boars ?
Locke said the ones we saw were piglets...
Maybe it's a giant wild boar species...
If we never see the mammoths, they will still give the feeling of fear etc..
Rooster
10-14-04, 11:55 PM
This mammoth idea is off base,mammoths are not meat eaters,they do not stock game.You would hear them a mile away and smell them sooner than that.There would be trails made by them,with lots of stripped vegetation,and mountains of turds to walk around never mind the hair shed from them you would find.No not mammoths:\
Enchirito
10-15-04, 12:23 AM
Locke has seen the creature. And for some reason he doesn't say what it is (in Walkabout at least) Also, am I the only one who noticed that what Locke says in the promo is obviously edited? Now, they may have just cut out the gap in between his words but it also could be a combination of two completely different lines.
"I've looked into the eye of this island... and what I saw was [EDIT] magic."
You can get it at Lostmultimedia (http://lostmultimedia.beyondgrey.com/)
we know the creature is not a meat eater, it didn't eat the pilot. The boars may have simply been fleeing, the beast was interested in Locke...We haven't seen enough of the island, maybe it's got a "dump" yard.
I'm just playing here, I've stated much earlier that if any such creature lived on the island naturally there would have to be enough for a gene pool to ensure survival.. If the creature has evolved on the island, there are more.
otherwise, it's been cloned or something.... but that's been done before.
Man, what is it ?
bigmouth
10-15-04, 06:44 PM
I think you're on to something Col. Sanders. I get the sense that there's one big monster (a momma?) and lots of little monsters (children?). Maybe it only kills to defend its young.
Also, I have to admit, Pinnerman, I'm a tad skeptical of the mammoth theory. We saw the shadow of the beast in the pilot, and it sure looked like it was standing erect (no giggling please). Plus, the writers keep referring to the "creature in the trees," which doesn't sound very mammoth to me.
MEmacmur
10-15-04, 07:03 PM
My reasoning:
Unless there are mutated ultra-fast mammoths, the camera shots we see of the tree tops moving seems to indicate something much faster than a raging mammoth. Granted, I am assuming mammoths don't go much faster than elephants. And granted I've never been chased by an elephant.
Also - why on earth would a mammoth flay a human being? I think the 'creature' is more complicated (re: intelligent) than a mammoth.
wharf rat
10-15-04, 07:07 PM
I think the "monster" is each person's fear and they will each see it differently. We know that each survivor is battling a dark past and that past drags itself to the island and that dark past is manifested in the "monster"... So each person will have to resolve it for themselves. Come to grips with it. Defeat it. Who will the first survivor be to say "the monster is gone, it exists no more"...??? 8)
We will never see it if "we ourselves" don't have a dark past :x
MacLeod
10-15-04, 07:22 PM
Well for Locke and the monster is that Locke was going on the Walkabout in Aussieland is suppost to be a spiritual experience. And like in Native American lore that you have a animal spiritual guild and if the creature killed the boar then he might think that its his guild and that its personally looking out for him and in his state of mine a personal thing. Or when they ask him about it that it might be so impossible of a creature of that type living on the island that he didn't want to sound like a crazy person trying to explain it. Its like the other group not talking about the polar bear.
Locke did say the boars we saw were just piglets.. but if he ran into the mommy , why didn't she kill him ?
And why did she let him kill one of her piglets ?
Going with our theory here in my house, perhaps it IS an elephant............from an airplane that crashed 16 years ago......a French Circus plane. (this theory covers three things yet unexplained.) 1) The continuous message, 2) the polar bear 3) the as yet unknown "monster"
And if a plane crash containing only humans could have survivors, why not an airplane containing some animals too????
angry may queen
10-20-04, 02:14 PM
"The creature will be 'more of an underlying threat,' he said. 'It's more about what it represents. If you have something that represents terror and fear and the darkness of this place, to me that's incredibly valuable.'''
I don't think it's a mammoth either.
BUT
If the "what the creature's represents" is more of a threat than the creature itself is, then I think the creature is something that is extinct. NO---rather PRESUMED to be extinct and that actually is alive on this island.
Why is that significant? Because if something that the entire world presumes to be extinct actually lives, then who knows about it? Who cares about it? Who goes looking for it? No one.
I think it will mean that hope of rescue is completely lost to them. They themselves would be presumed "extinct." They could despair, turn against each other, go insane, etc. These are scary concepts.
bigmouth
10-20-04, 02:28 PM
I'm telling you: giant chimp or ape. Remember, folks, it's the creature in the TREES and it pretty clearly walks upright. To me, that means no elephants or mammoths.
PS: Why do you think Locke is delusional?
Colonel Sanders luvs Lost
10-20-04, 02:37 PM
The idea that maybe the polar bear and message may be related is interesting. The established time line on the sos transmission is around 16 years. Polar Bears have a typical lifespan of 25 years. The bear could have been a cub when it arrived on the island.
Colonel, I'm liking the way you think.:D
cccourt
10-20-04, 04:52 PM
Do you really think a polar bear could have grown up on a desert island?
Sleeestack
10-20-04, 04:55 PM
Do you really think a polar bear could have grown up on a desert island?
Well, if there was lots of popsickles and icecream, and other cold deserts. Perhaps!
cccourt
10-20-04, 04:55 PM
awesecond: YOu are right. I lived on Borneo for a year...at the top of a tall hill...and we were surrounded by jungle. What do you think I had in my backyard...at the tops of the trees and on the ground as well? Monkeys. In fact, the motion they show is the EXACT motion of trees as monkeys jump from tree to tree. Don't know if they intended it to look like that or not. Needless to say, I am talking about monkeys...not gorillas...or even orangatuangs.
ccc:hat
i completely agree. the whole idea of it actually being an animal makes no sense to me with the sound it is making and the death of the pilot. maybe it appears to be a monster to those whose fears are manifest that way. Locke did not appear to see a monster, he saw something huge, moving, and awesome. That is all we know. The others saw tracks, but we arent sure what kind. I also believe the "monster" is each person's fear manifesting in it's own way. Locke has shown himself to be unafraid since the crash, and maybe the "magic" of the island is working in a positive way for him while the others are living out their worst nightmares.
cccourt
10-20-04, 05:30 PM
...and air conditioning??
cccourt
10-20-04, 05:31 PM
...Oh...oh...and real early on...don't know which thread: I said I was from Texas and the only polar bears in this part of the world are ice cream bars!
LaLa3584
10-20-04, 07:27 PM
I know whats going on. The thing that ripped the pilot out of the plane was a saber tooth tiger. and the monster knocking down the trees is a mammoth. we already met the polar bear. Its like that movie "ice age" and ray romano is "Manny" the mammoth. KEWL ...... Lost is like ICE AGE 2
:rollin LaLa, tooooooooo funny!!!!!:lol
LUXE, SEE MY HOW LOCKE WILL GET CHARLIE OFF DRUGS.
SapphireMind
10-21-04, 01:37 AM
Has anyone read IT by Stephen King?
"We all float down here" *shudder* I'm getting that sort of vibe going.
No matter what, I'm so totally hooked.
Its not a mammoth, its not anything, loosing interest ? not yet...
well see..
You mean there's going to be a nasty clown with big sharp teeth that suddenly turns into a big creepy bug????????
Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.
There was no mention of "IT" on tonight's episode, bummer. :\
Boomer McLeod
10-21-04, 12:22 PM
So when is Pinnerman gong to show us his next big theory? The Philadelphia Experiment was nice, but perhaps too tight. I think JJ ans others would love to see what's being discussed here - mabe they've got spies taking what we discuss and changing up the plot line accordingly. Who exactly is Master Xander anyway?
- and yes, please no more clowns.
SapphireMind
10-21-04, 06:56 PM
But "IT" wasn't really a clown, it didn't have to be a clown, it was just a lure for children. It would just have to be something similar, not the exact thing (otherwise I'm thinking we'd see some credit given to SK :lol )
It's driving me crazy though.
parisencore
10-21-04, 09:39 PM
In last night's ep (10/20 White Rabbit) there was a part where the sound of the monster moving through the island and the sound of the coffine getting hacked up seemed to be morphed. I didn't tape it and I can't recall which way it morphed (coffin>monster or monster>coffin) only that I was struck by that at the moment.
Wasn't sure where to put it so I put it here where there is discussion of what the monster is. Feel free to relocated this.
MonsterEatsPilot
10-21-04, 09:45 PM
I noticed something odd about this too.
Didn't the camera zoom up to show the tops of the trees moving before the cut to commercial?
I did not tape it either but glad to know I'm not the only one who watches this show so obsessively...
;-)
Cheers!
The camera cut to a shadowy bush area, no figure could be seen, only the feeling of Jack being watched...
parisencore
10-22-04, 05:29 AM
OK then, we need somebody with a tape of it to watch the end again and report back. :lol I didn't tape it. Big mistake I guess. I'll be taping "just in case" from now on.
I taped it, I'll take a look see. I did watch that part again and I did hear a little animal sound the second time, but it was fleeting and very short. I'll watch it again and see what REALLY happened.
roar822
10-22-04, 02:20 PM
I don't think there is an actual creature. I don't think the survivors actually crashed on the island, but were placed there in a way to make them think they crashed and have little hope of rescue as part of some experiment. The creature is just a put up job (using heavy equipment to move trees and sound effects to create the illusion of a creature) designed either as part of the experiment (if it's psychological in nature) or to keep the survivors too scared to explore the island thoroughly, and possibly discover the truth in the process, or both.
Best wishes,
Leo
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