S2 EPISODE 4 THREAD 12-OCT-05: Everybody Hates Hugo

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Mod Note : When this thread was moved back here for tonight's (6/21/06) re-airing, the thread was on post #465


This is the discussion thread for the next LOST episode, "Everybody Hates Hugo."

Please post all your episode comments, mini-reviews, as well as simple questions ("What did so-and-so say?" "What did so-and-so see?" "What song played at this scene?") regarding the episode.

Any new theories or big issues raised by the episode may be started on a new thread.

Enjoy the episode!

(Closing until just before the episode begins...)

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Episode Description:

Disturbing memories from Hurley’s past cause him to struggle with a task he’s assigned inside the hatch. Meanwhile Sawyer, Michael and Jin discover the identities of their captors, and Claire uncovers a shocking piece of information about the fate of the raft.

[ryesvikrd]

Shit did you all see that? That was a huge clue! It was reversed.

[Bekka]

I KNEW HE DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH DAMMIT!

WHEW!

*faith in the writers is renewed*

[artemisia14]

Big yellow fuzzy thing?

One mystery solved! 118 more to go.

[minnesotaadvocate]

Oh, crap!

"There were!"

I didn't like the sound of THAT!!

[feenie1010]

It is quite ominous, isn't it?

[jamiept]

The look on Sawyers face was priceless at the mention of Bernard!!! Then the look on "her" face in the following scene....

Trying to keep it cryptic for those on the west coast.

[sunnyskies]

I don't know about everyone else but I was crying at the end of that one. Oh boo hoo for me but I thought it was so sweet when Rose saved her treat for her husband that she believes is still alive. That is beautiful character development:D

[Bekka]

Possible Spoiler...











The chick in the music store mentioned "flowers dying..."

Could this be a telegraphic message that Rose will be the one to go?

[soonerfaithful]

I don't know about everyone else but I was crying at the end of that one.
No you weren't the only one.

[LostfanforLife]

Thank goodness you said it first. I was thinking how sappy I was to be crying at the end of that! lol Glad to know others felt the same way!!!

[t0xicity3k]

Pretty good episode. The Island is in trouble though, they have 2 Wolfram & Hart lawers in one room together.

[mzsandeestar]

I was almost crying when Hurley had the dynamite but I got over it.

[mzsandeestar]

In the preview

The bear is Desmonds?

If there is a body , it is Desmond?

The others got to him?

[Bekka]

<<<Was squirting tears as well.....

Again my faith is renewed and my anticipation for the upcoming is fueled.

[Homer Noodleman]

I cracked up when Kate just blew off Hurley and grabbed the shampoo. I imagined the ghost of Arzt hopping up and down pissed off over that. :lol

[LostfanforLife]

I liked the shampoo bit too Noodleman. Think maybe it was Kate's non-verbal "Don't tell me what I can't do!"

[mzsandeestar]

If there is enough food for one man for thiirty days.....that means....... Des lied?

[MJBinNC]

Did Desmond lie - or is that all that was left after all of those years. Is that why he had no trouble running away so fast? Did he know that he would starve to death?
I'm actually glad that the binge was only in a dream. I loved the way things turned out for Hurley, though. Now - no one will hate him...until the food is gone.

[clayseason1]

enough food for one man for thiirty days.....
There sure did seem to be a lot more food than that. Not enough to really ration and make last among 40 or more people, but certainly more than thirty days for one person.

So either Des was running out of the original food or supplies will be delivered soon.

eta: if he was running out of food - where were the empty shelves from 3 years of eaten supplies?
Maybe there's another store room?

[CristianLouvier]

Ok, to the first poster in this thread, what was in reverse?

Anyway, what did Sayid mean when he was talking about everything being enclosed in concrete, he said he hadn't seen anything like that since "Genova" ? What's that?

edit: ahhhh, Chernobyl. Ok, got it.

[truffula]

Fantastic episode. The FB/Rose and Hurley segment was perfect. And the new theme at the end was beautiful (Michael Giacchino is a genius).

Here's the Truffula's review of this episode:

- Open with a new song for the LOST Soundtrack. I don't know what it is, but I'm sure we'll figure it out.

- I was in tears watching Hurley gorge on the food. Anyone else?

- So TPTB have successfully messed with us...AGAIN. Jin does NOT speak English, it was a very twisted dream of Hurley's. Look back now at all the posts on Jin speaks English and have a laugh.

- another great Sawyer line "Why don't you pee on it?" to Jin. Very remniscant of first season with Hurley stepping on the urchin. Why would you suggest that anyways? (gross - :x )

- Ah, the front door to the Hatch, finally. No more lowering down for you.

- Desmond didn't leave much of a trail, says Locke. Brainfart.
Okay, Locke is supposedly a good tracker (we've seen examples of this in S1), he was able to track Ethan (kinda). So I assume that either Desmond is good at not leaving a trace,or Locke is LYING and doesn't want anyone to find him in fear that his new "cause" ie the Hatch is bogus and Desmond (with some questioning from Sayid) would confirm this.

- Another example of Locke's new devotion to his "cause" - the line he said to Charlie to suck him in "and there's a record player".

- Sayid says a Geothermal Generator is the source of Power. Anyone want to explain what that is? (in layman's terms please).

- another thing Sayid said, this one kinda bugged me "the last time I heard of concrete being poured like this was Chernobyl". This could be an indication of the "incident".

- Libby says 23 original tail survivors. It looks like the TSS (Tail Section Survivors for future reference) were lucky enough to get to use th front door, no dynamite and digging out a hatch for them. Or were they suckered in like Des was by Cal/Kel? Looks like we may find out next week!!

- I'm sure there will be lots of nice caps of the new Dharma logo up soon (from inside TSS hatch), so I won't bother touching on this one til I've seen it better.

- wait til the TSS and the Lostaways eventually meet up and compare Hatches....ooohh ;) . We may wait god knows how long to see it though. (TPTB - Please, this season would be nice!! ;) )

- Put the decision about the rafts fate on Sun, ouch. What does she do with this knowledge? We see something at the end of the ep...

- So 2 of the 6 stations are underground. Can I assume that the other 4 are also (unless the Radio Tower is one)?

- Another example of Locke's devotion to Hatch cause was the whole conversation he had with Hurley while loading the rifle (and why was he doing THAT?). "You can't quit" he says to Hurley. Hurley, IMHO, does an excellent job in the end with his "job".

- We close with a NEW theme for LOST!! Excellent work MG!! This theme will get some nice variations this season for sure.

- And to close, here's what I made out of the (usual) really fast promo for next week - the Teddy Bear/Other was Desmond, I saw someone Impaled (ouch), and begin the Sawyer/Ana thing (opposite the Jack/Kate thing - anyone notice the little smile he gave her when she said she left him the shampoo?)

That's all for now folks.
Discuss On,
Peace,
Truff

[Homer Noodleman]

Sayid said Chernobyl, not Geneva.

[soonerfaithful]

Did anyone notice the missing childs picture on the milk carton?:eek

[SarahWW]

Well, Rose *was* dead on the beach at the start of the show and If I had to take a guess, she'll be reunited with Bernard for a short time, then its coitins. I don't think Bernard is long for this world either.

Maybe not, though, her grounded and rather unflappable character is a nice balance for some of the losties.

I was sure that Whirlpool was gonna get it's product placement $$$ worth tonight... you know, those Duets that can hold 16 pairs of jeans...

[LostMyFace]

Yes! I forgot about that. Everyone does need to go take a better look at the milk carton. CRAZINESS!

[CipherBIF]

Good catch on the milk carton. It's definitely Walt's picture.

Who was the guy in the chicken costume? Have we seen him before?

[My Dogs Name Is Jack]

Just wanted to say a little neenerneenerneener to all the folks who insisted the "Nigerian" was Rose's husband and big kudos to those who knew better.

[Chinamom]

BIG QUESTIONS:
Are Ana & crew living in one of the other Dharma hatches? The Dharma logo on the wall looked like it had a cross in the middle. I counted 6 people left after *23* survivors--were they sick or Othered?

Was “the incident” a nuclear accident a la Chernobyl?

Has anyone considered whether or not the food is really safe to eat?

Shannon has seen Walt in a vision, Hurley has seen Jin in a dream...will someone else "see" Michael and Sawyer?

SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF (things I’m believing anyway so I can enjoy the story):
...that the survivors would continue entering the numbers! I’m having such a hard time with this. They are rational, intelligent, resourceful people. Why would they buy into this?!

...that the store owner would remember Hurley’s ticket purchase (he might remember the abundant and hairy Hurley, but his numbers too?)

QUESTIONS ANSWERED: Now I know what happened to the rest of the dynamite.

MUST GOOGLE: titanium, geothermal generator

Jack & Kate: The shower scene was cute...and suggestive.

Sawyer: OK, I really need Sawyer to do something about Ana. She does have the gun, but enough of him getting whooped already.

Sayid: His character is being sorely underused! We’re in E4 and he’s barely done anything. What was he trying to open, anyway--a sealed door?

Locke: I think he’s in Weapon Heaven with the hatch stash. That is a frightening combination.

Charlie: Loved the comments about The Management (Jack, Kate, et al) and the hatch. I think TPTB read our questions here and used them as lines for Charlie.

Claire, Sun, Shannon: It was so nice to finally see them, even Shannon.

Jin: Well, we knew the English speaking was going to be a dream or something. But it was still funny to hear DDK speaking it.

Hurley: That was fun, seeing the rest of the “Numbers” story. Poor Hurley.

Michael: He seemed a little calmer this week. Technically it’s been almost 2 days without Walt, right?

Ana: (aka Rambina and Hot Lips thanks to Sawyer) I already DO NOT like her. What a WENCH. I can see TPTB planning a knock-down, drag-out rumble between her and Kate. It might have been Michelle Rodriques’ over-the-top acting. I’ve always believed the LOST actors, but her performance tonight was very contrived.

Walt : Still missing, sheesh!

Aaron: “poor island baby” LOL!

Vincent: So I guess Shannon caught up with him after seeing the Walt vision.

Redshirts/Recurring Characters/Guest Stars/Extras:
I *knew* Bernard was a white guy! Last week I asked why everyone assumed he was black.

Loved the side-by-side scenes of portly Hurley with beanpole Johnny--and their singing Driveshaft’s one-hit wonder.

Favorite Lines:
Sawyer to Jin: “Why don’t you pee on it?” (great reference to S1 Hurley and Jin fishing scene)
Hurley to Rose: “Apollo bars--ever hear of them?” (same question we asked last week)

Literary/pop references:
Johnny to Hurley: “Stay gold, Ponyboy” from one of my favorite novels “The Outsiders” by S.E. Hinton

Sawyer to Ana: “What are you gonna do, beam us up?”

Kleenex Moments: I’ll admit it--I needed a tissue when Charlie handed Claire the peanut butter.

Seriously Creepy: Ana Lucia. Ewww....also the previews for next week, OH MY.

Music: Beautiful orchestration during the feast, especially as Sun buries the bottle.

Summary: Not as gripping as E1-3, but I liked the comic relief from Hurley after the previous 3 anxiety-ridden episodes. And nice to have a break from information overload in the hatch.

Thanks for reading! :)

ETA: I thought the guy in the chicken suit was Hurley's former boss--it made sense by Jin saying "Everything is going to change." Hurley's boss becomes the chicken mascot!

[Wildcat]

Nice episode! I really felt for Hurley when he was explaining to Rose how everything would change when people found out about the food. That whole sequence was nicely done the way they compared Hurley's flashback for winning the lottery to winning a lottery of sorts on the island (finding the food.) I missed his discussion with Jack about how to deal with the food issue (stupid people were talking). Did he decide to ration it out to everyone at one time, or on a daily basis, or what?

Who was pushing the button at the end when Hurley was handing out food? Everyone that knows about what's going on in the hatch appeared to be on the beach (I'm not sure about Rose though.) I guess 108 minutes is enough to take a break and get back in time to punch in the code, but Locke is adament about doing shifts so someone is there at all times.

We finally got to meet Bernard! I can't wait learn more about the TSS. They seem so much more savage than our survivors, but I'm sure they have a good reason to be that way (Judging from the preview, I have a pretty good idea what happened to the rest of them!) I'm guessing that their hatch doesn't require any special codes to be punched in every 108 minutes and there was no one manning it when they found it.

One more thing--Who was the guy in the chicken suit?

[torigeis]

Did anyone notice the missing childs picture on the milk carton

I'll have to re-watch. You would think I would learn to be more observant by now right?!

Totally random comments:
I liked how Locke used his "we all have our jobs/roles" quote again. Why did they need an inventory of all the food?

I was also thinking: "go tailenders! you found the huge door into the hatch/didn't have to blast the top off!"

Good to hear "You all Everybody" once again. I think Hurley secretly liked it!

Yes, Rose & Bernard had me in tears a bit. Charlie & Claire w/ the PB was sweet too.

Sawyer gave Ana a new nickname tonight.- I'm blanking out on what it was though.

I just get a funny feeling about that food everyone is eating. I hope the tailenders didn't eat dharma food and get sick.


Nice Summary Chinamom! I always like reading your rundown :)

[clayseason1]

Who was pushing the button at the end when Hurley was handing out food?

I'm thinking Sayid. Shannon was sitting with Vincent on a blanket - no Sayid.

[cowssayoink]

i loved it! i can't wait to see rose and bernard reunited!
i wonder when the TSS are gonna try and find the other survivors....soon i hope.
i wonder if their shelter is that part of the hatch that is cemented off?
there were 23 survivors? were the others killed or did they maybe get that mysterious illness we keep hearing about?

[Wildcat]

MUST GOOGLE: titanium, geothermal generator

Geothermal power is generated by tapping into the Earth's natural heat caused by magma that is close to the surface. The magma heats up groundwater under the surface, which produces steam. The steam can be tapped into to run the turbines in the generator--similar to how a steam engine runs. This would mean that the island is volcanic, but we haven't seen any evidence of this so far.

Titanium is simply a very lightweight metallic element

[minnesotaadvocate]

The Island is in trouble though, they have 2 Wolfram & Hart lawers in one room together.
Libby is one, right? Who is the other?

The bear is Desmonds?
the Teddy Bear/Other was Desmond
Desmond took a rabbit with him

Did anyone notice the missing childs picture on the milk carton?
I agree it was Walt

Are Ana & crew living in one of the other Dharma hatches? The Dharma logo on the wall looked like it had a cross in the middle. I counted 6 people left after *23* survivors--were they sick or Othered?
"Othered" from what I could tell by the tailenders' actions

Who was pushing the button at the end when Hurley was handing out food? Everyone that knows about what's going on in the hatch appeared to be on the beach (I'm not sure about Rose though.) I guess 108 minutes is enough to take a break and get back in time to punch in the code, but Locke is adament about doing shifts so someone is there at all times.
Kate said "I'll take the next shift" when she woke Hurley up.

[Wildcat]

I'm thinking Sayid. Shannon was sitting with Vincent on a blanket - no Sayid.

Oh that's right! I totally forgot about Sayid. Shame on me! :o

ETA: You're right about Kate saying she would take the next shift Minnesota Advocate, but I thought I saw her on the beach during that scene. Gotta go watch it again.

[clayseason1]

The steam can be tapped into to run the turbines in the generator--similar to how a steam engine runs
Remember Stephen King's "The Shining". One of the caretaker's duties was to periodically attend to the boiler. If he didn't do that then it would blow up.
Maybe..just maybe.. entering the numbers every 108 minutes vents the generator and keeps it from blowing up.

Now don't laugh at me - I don't know anything about engines, boilers and the like.:p

[truffula]

Hi Chinamom, good post.
A couple of things you brought up I'd like to comment on.

Was “the incident” a nuclear accident a la Chernobyl?
On this I say wait and see what they uncover. I think they want us to assume that the Incident was ala Chernobyl, thus the reference in specific.

Has anyone considered whether or not the food is really safe to eat?
Yes, my brother had a really eerie prediction for the episodes end as the musical monatge began: (now this DIDN'T happen this was just what he said at the time) "I bet they cut to the TSS telling the raftaways that the food is what makes you sick." Then I told him that it's not sweeps month yet.
I don't think it's too important, but I'm sure someone will catalogue who ate the hatchfood and who didn't just in case it comes back to haunt them.

QUESTIONS ANSWERED: Now I know what happened to the rest of the dynamite

And we know that the TSS are not Others, they were on flight 815 too, we also find out that one of the other stations is also underground. Disappointed in the answers in the FBs though. Now, the FBs were used very well, but for a Hurley ep, I thought it might reveal more about the Numbers.

Kleenex Moments: I’ll admit it--I needed a tissue when Charlie handed Claire the peanut butter

The music made that moment. Perfect introduction to the new theme, although I hope they don't abandon the S1 theme (the end of Do No Harm).

I agree that tonights ep was not as "in your face" as the first 3 eps, but they gotta tone it down before sweeps in Nov. Just an unfortunate network thing. Nov eps will be ubercool though so I'm not concerned.

Peace,
Truff

[LostMyFace]

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Who was the guy in the chicken costume? Have we seen him before?
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I'm soooo bad with faces (see my name).....BUT was the chicken suit guy also Johnny - Hurley's friend?

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Sawyer gave Ana a new nickname tonight.- I'm blanking out on what it was though.
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Oh it was Hot Lips....I know this b/c someone on this board already called me that today, in a Sawyer kinda way ;)

[jamiept]

Following on the " I like it " thread,

I like that the posts are informative and not the usual "newbie" like. Even though the posting stats show that there are plenty of new posters posting...

happy TGILD!!!

[Chinamom]

I was trying really hard to include all my thoughts in one post, but I left out 2 of them. I edited and added but just in case you don't go back--

I thought the guy in the chicken suit was Hurley's former boss--it made sense by Jin saying "Everything is going to change." Hurley's boss becomes the chicken mascot!

Shannon saw Walt in a vision; Hurley saw Jin in a dream...is someone else going to see Michael and Sawyer?

Also--KUDOS to mods for the format decision. WHEW.

[minnesotaadvocate]

ETA: You're right about Kate saying she would take the next shift Minnesota Advocate, but I thought I saw her on the beach during that scene. Gotta go watch it again.
I guess it just depends on how long it was before Hurley started giving out the food. Didn't they say the shifts were 6 hours? I guess I thought Kate stayed in the hatch after her shower and I didn't think it was Sayid because I still pictured him climbing around the "basement" of the hatch. But if it was more than 6 hours, it very well could have been Sayid.

ETA: Ok, I was concentrating on the food, not the characters in that scene. What? I was hungry! LOL
I'll defer to the rest of you on this.

[LostMyFace]

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Disappointed in the answers in the FBs though. Now, the FBs were used very well, but for a Hurley ep, I thought it might reveal more about the Numbers.
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You know over the next couple days (after we have all watched it 3 times) someone is gonna find some sort of crazy 'clue' that we all missed in the Flashbacks.

Everybody thought that about Michael's Flashbacks a couple weeks ago, but I thought it was very telling.

I'm sure our mind's will be blown soon...as soon as someone finds the obvious thing we all missed ;) That's why we love it here!

[clayseason1]

I guess I thought Kate stayed in the hatch after her shower and I didn't think it was Sayid because I still pictured him climbing around the "basement" of the hatch
Kate and Jack were at the beach playing at "stealing" each other's food from the plate.

I don't remember seeing Sayid at the beach.

[Homer Noodleman]

Yea, they're cozying Kate and Jack up so Sawyer and Anna Lucia can come stumbling out of the woods just about the time things are about to get serious. :lol

[LostfanforLife]

I went back and watched it a second time, and Sayid was having something to eat, too. But they just showed a quick shot of him.

Wish my VCR would give me clear still shots so I could see the new Dharma symbol clearly!!!!

Also, it seemed pretty obvious that the 2nd bunker was completely abandoned ... other than the symbol, it looked like blank walls and no furnishings at all.

[Poppycup]

My question on the flashback, is how could the guy from the store possibly knew that Hurley was the lottery winner? They must sell tons of tickets on a jackpot that large, and it wasn't like Hurley played a weird number like 123456 that might stand out to the guy. To the store owner, the numbers 4 8 15 15 23 42 would be very random.
Even if the store if notified and a time the ticket was sold could be checked, and I suppose you could check the security tapes, why do it? And it was done pretty quickly. So that part has me puzzled.
Any thoughts?

[versed4evry1]

It does seem to be Walt on the milk carton if the screen caps are real. I didn't see any of that angle at the lost-media site, and my eyes don't work that quickly.

Someone mentioned that the Randy at Mr. Cluck and the Randy at the box company look a lot alike. Lost-media.com has screencaps of both from this episode and the walkabout episode. They do resemble, although the hairstyle in the walkabout episode looks more modern - rather than the bowl cut on the Mr. Cluck Randy.

One more thing.. the guy in the chicken suit looks to be American Indian to me. I don't know why, but I got that impression when I saw the screencap.

My .02

[zabzababz]

Even if the store if notified and a time the ticket was sold could be checked, and I suppose you could check the security tapes, why do it? And it was done pretty quickly. So that part has me puzzled.
Any thoughts?
I was thinking about that too. But I guess if it is a ear record jackpot they would check and Hurley would be preatty noticable.

Also for the time frame.. we don't know how long Hurley had that ticket so they coulda had time to check out the tapes.

Still.. It confused me..

[minnesotaadvocate]

Also for the time frame.. we don't know how long Hurley had that ticket so they coulda had time to check out the tapes.
Hurley watched the lottery result at home. Aren't results usually at night, like around the 10 pm news? Then he went to work the next day, quit, and drove around with his friend all afternoon and evening. It was night when they saw the news crew. So I'd say 24 hours at least. Maybe more, if he didn't quit the very next day after he found out that he won. Enough time to check the tape.

Can't think of a different way the guy would know.

[Noav Sigless]

I believe when you buy a lottery ticket, the clerk enters the numbers into a computer and prints the ticket out.
I don't know if they ask your name or not,(never bought one myself).
But there should be a record of what store sold the winning ticket and at what time the ticket was sold. The store video cameras would do the rest.

[kiwipat]

Sledge has a cap featuring the "new" dharma logo here (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/dharmaLogo2.jpg)

Kinda looks like a cross inside?

[Homer Noodleman]

The clerk recognizing him was just and example of IITS (Its In The Script). It was contrived, but needed so Hurley and his friend were seperated by the wall of reporters.

That was the whole point of the scene. The numbers off the island drove Hurley into isolation -- on the island he gave the food away and was embraced by the group.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Fantastic episode. I love Jorge Garcia, he can look so pathetic and helpless when he wants to, like during the scene when he was sitting in the van. Great technique in this scene, too. A LOST director has never crosscut so rapidly between past and present, and it was inspired. It really added punch to Hurley's (completely correct) assertion that this will "change everything."

I was getting a little weepy during that scene.

About Hurley's dream:

Sure, Walt was on the milk carton, but it was a dream. Hurley incorporated something from his waking life into the dream, happens to me all the time. Like when my alarm clock goes off and I'm dreaming of music. Which happened to Hurley tonight, as a matter of fact. There were a couple of beeps of the "4-minute" warning in there, too.

I'm pretty sure the guy in the chicken costume is the Convenience Store Clerk who fingered him as the lottery winner. My VCR tells me so. Sorry I don't have any screencaps, but I'm sure someone will provide them.

CLUCK YOU is one of the better lines of the night.

About the numbers:

I really don't think they deserve any more explanation. It's a series of numbers that add up to that 108. They've served the story well by moving it forward to this point, a classic MacGuffin. To explain them more would be to remove some of their charm and mystery.

However heavy-handed it may seem, this was a good move by the mods. I'll be in bed before 2:00am! (had to watch the White Sox steal Game 2 before watching the show)

[WayneInNYC]

I just watched again and can answer two questions:

1) The guy in the Chicken suit was the Gas Station Attendant who sold Hurley the lottery ticket.

2) Sayid WAS on the beach eating with the rest of them.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Homer:


The clerk recognizing him was just and example of IITS (Its In The Script). It was contrived, but needed so Hurley and his friend were seperated by the wall of reporters.


Yes, his friend was barely in the frame, separated by reporters who live for the flavor of the hour. I really liked that scene.

I, like Chinamom, feel so vindicated to see that Bernard is a white man.

[Dynagirl]

Wow, to log in here and only have to sift through 3 pages? Am I dreaming?????

Great episode, finally back to the beach and the interpersonal relationships that make the show so great. :D

What an unusual looking fellow, playing Hurley's friend from the Chicken joint. Is his name Johnny?? He reminded me of Gareth from BBC's "The Office."

Ana: I already DO NOT like her. What a WENCH.

I actually kind of enjoyed her being a BAD ASS and giving it to Sawyer. Something tells me they make nice really soon...:p


I didn't catch the milk carton. What scene is this in? Screen cap anyone??

One more thing.. the guy in the chicken suit looks to be American Indian to me. I don't know why, but I got that impression when I saw the screencap.

I believe he is the Pakistani appearing 7-11 (or whatever it is) owner that sold Hurley the lotto ticket.

Sure, Walt was on the milk carton, but it was a dream. Hurley incorporated something from his waking life into the dream, happens to me all the time.


But Hurley doesn't know that Walt is missing, so how could this be incorporated into his waking life??? Just another enigma they are throwing at us??

[LostMyFace]

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1) The guy in the Chicken suit was the Gas Station Attendant who sold Hurley the lottery ticket.
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Totally agree, I just watched it again too...and even though I am bad with faces, those "bug-eyes" stuck out at me/
Chicken suit=convenience store dude!

[Southern Cherry]

I don't know about everyone else but I was crying at the end of that one.

You weren't alone- I was in tears as well. Very sweet moment.

[LostMyFace]

the girl hurley asks out in the record store:

"You're messing with my world view here hugo. You're my rock, I mean, if you quit your job the next thing you know is...
Bees will stop making honey
Flowers will die
Hell, the whole damn thing will fall apart"

I love that part - Very interesting!

[SelfProjectRealized]

Hey check it out.

If there were 23 TSS, and there's 6 left, that means 17 died.

Then, from the core group we've got:

the pilot (1), the marshal (2), joanna (3), scott (4), boone (5) and arzt (6).

17 + 6, once again, is 23, meaning a total of 23 people from the plane crash died during the season 1 timeline. KF2 do I get a cookie?

Moving along, now that we have those numbers, it means 49+23 people survived - that's 72. Anyone know what the capacity of a plane like Oceanic 815 would be? I'd be curious to know how many died vs. how many survived the original crash.

[versed4evry1]

"You're messing with my world view here hugo. You're my rock, I mean, if you quit your job the next thing you know is...
Bees will stop making honey
Flowers will die
Hell, the whole damn thing will fall apart"


That is very interesting when applied to the context of Locke telling Hurley he can't quit.

[K2 Sparrow]

Just a side thought from a newbie poster (but not newbie lurker): I wouldn't be too surprised to find all of the food given out tonight suddenly replaced in the next episode or so without any explanation. It would fit in with the whole "Third Policeman" theory, and also explain why Desmond was able to maintain a full pantry despite being several months overdue for a replacement (ie, there haven't been any recent deliveries of new food, a question posed by Jack and not answered by Desmond). Especially given that a lot of tonight's focus was on the food stores.

[cajdb]

Question about Ana-Lucia...

I haven't been able to watch the ep yet (I had class and taped it, but hubby is hogging the TV right now so I can't watch it until Mythbusters is over) but I am busy spoiling myself as much as possible...

I've read Ana-Lucia's character described as possibly having military/cop training (which, even in the last ep seems possible). I also remember much discussion last year about whether the "marshal" that died was the air marshall on the flight or if he was only escorting Kate back... which would mean there *could* be another marshal on the plane.

Plus, there was all the wierdness last ep when Ana was asking Sawyer where he got the gun...

I've looked at the transcripts and Jack comments that Ana is drinking a tequila and tonic (which would argue against it) but I can't remember whether we see her swig it down or not... does anyone remember?

Do you think Ana could have been the air marshal?


ETA Finally got to watch it.

The reason I'm wondering about Ana is that if she does have some sort of "official" role I wonder if that could explain her behavoir?

What do you guys think?

[shootingstar05]

I usually like the episodes that deal with the mysteries of the island, but this was the most enjoyable episode yet this season for me.
The execution of the parallel between Hurley's past and present situation was particularly moving.
Now, I never cry at movies and such, but I did get teary eyed at the end with Bernard and Rose. Beautiful music also.
The hatch the tailaways were in was so desolate and creepy. I'm dying to know more of their story.
Is there maybe some sort of text on the Dharma logo on the horizontal part of the cross?
One thing I was particularly happy about was that there was no thriller of a cliffhanger at the end. Just uplifting. It's nice to walk away feeling like that sometimes....besides, we're going to need it to cope with next week:eek

I wanted to add a "hooray!" for only having to read through 3 pages after the episode. Am I in heaven? I think so!

[tamikawat]

I can't help but wonder if Analucia will become another Danielle, off on her own. Why? I can't see her relinquishing her role as leader of her group. She definitely needs to be taken down a peg or 3.

I don't believe that Locke cannot track Dessie. What do we know of Desmond? He once studied to be a doctor, he once trained and attempted a sail around the world. He foolishly bought into a hairbrained scheme that the world will end if he does not enter some numbers? What does any of that have to do with him being able to make himself disappear in a wild jungle while on the run from a catastrophie? Fear alone will make you careless therefore making you leave freaking tracks!!!!!!

As for the food Desmond took with him. Why take food if you think the world is coming to a close?

As for the Monster/Security system. My oh my how convienent. Where is the monster when folk are just traisping through the doggone trees? I myself would be scared to death. All that said, I did like the eppie........ Oh, and I'm a newbie. Hope my post is acceptable......... Happy posting....

[Noav Sigless]

Desmond may have been caught by people who know how to cover their tracks.

[taynt]

For those who thought the "why don't you pee on it?" Line was gross, it was also actually a good idea.

Urine is sterile, and can kill some bacteria.

Also a hilarious line, of course, but not out of nowhere.


I just have to ask, what are Jack and Sayid looking at? Was there a door that wouldn't open when they were exploring or what? I think a little explanation of why there were suddenly digging through feet of concrete would have been nice...

[Noav Sigless]

Urine is sterile?

Then why do doctors take urine samples to check for diseases?

[magswebs]

good morning/evening - first time poster/lurker forever.

my sense of this episode is that it was trying to show hurley's mental breakdown. we know he was in a psychiatric facility and i think tonight we got a peek at why - he has extreme paranoia that #1 these numbers are cursed and #2 people will hate him. tonight he almost blew up the hatch because he thought people would hate him because of it. who know what other things he has done because of his paranoia?

my opinion on the guy in the chicken suit is that it was his former boss from the chicken place.

just something to think about.

[Chinamom]

taynt, I'm still waiting on an answer for that one too. Whatever it was, it was located where Jack's key was pulled by the magnet. If I remember from E2 (or was it E1?), there was a big door there...so I think that's what Sayid was pulverizing. But I would still like confirmation. The way that scene was shot made it difficult to see what he was doing.

Mags, Hurley didn't hear about The Numbers until he was in the institution and met Lenny there. So they can't be the *reason* he was there. But in "Numbers" from S1, when he talks to reporters he says something about "after everything I've put my family through this year." I think whatever-that-is is the reason he was institutionalized.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

donnabionda:


Quote:
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Sure, Walt was on the milk carton, but it was a dream. Hurley incorporated something from his waking life into the dream, happens to me all the time.

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But Hurley doesn't know that Walt is missing, so how could this be incorporated into his waking life??? Just another enigma they are throwing at us??



I mentioned this on another thread and I knew I should have repeated it here: Everyone on the island is MISSING, so my take is that, in Hurley's dreamscape, that could have been any one of the Lostaways on the Milk carton. But it's usually kids on them, so that's why he dreamt Walt's pic on there.

I feel the 'Missing' picture had nothing to do with the raft and more to do with everyone's original predicament of being stuck on an island.

[clayseason1]

Everyone on the island is MISSING, so my take is that, in Hurley's dreamscape, that could have been any one of the Lostaways on the Milk carton. But it's usually kids on them, so that's why he dreamt Walt's pic on there
Or maybe Walt is able to communicate with someone in a dream state (Hurley) or a fatigued state (Shannon).:eek

[diendadeez]

maybe the "food" made the people from the tail section sick and die, thats why there "were" 23 .........i mean they were in anither bunker, that look cleaned out......who knows

[teaspoons]

Maybe the food is a test, like Eve eating the apple.....would fit the purgatory theory.

[rayhne]

If there was only enough food for 1 person for 3 months then, if there had been 2 people like therre was supposed to be, the food should have run out or be about to run out. Which means one of three things: either there is a supply ship coming real soon, whoever is running this mess somehow knows what's going on or the island has been written off/forgotten about.

Could that particular station be the powerhouse for the other stations on the island?

[Tera]

Some random thoughts.

I love how Jin was speaking English in a dream. Very cool scene. "No, you are speaking Japanese." ha!

I didn't notice Walt on the milk carton, I am going to have to rewatch this episode.

The guy who played Hurley's friend Johnny is DJ Qualls. The main thing I can think of him in is Road Trip...oh and he was in the movie The New Guy. My hubby and I both said I bet he was just begging to be a guest star in this show! LOL

Swayer called Ana Lucia "Rambina". God I love his one-liners.

I am a bit suspicious of the food. As hungry as I am sure I would be after spending 40+ days on that island, I think I would be a bit suspicious of food that was in a hatch that had so many mysteries.....not to mention all the oddities on that island.

I really felt badly for Hurley and his "job". When he was talking to Rose about how everyone is going to hate him when the food is gone. I am afraid now that everyone will hate him because he handed them out food that will make them sick! Hurley just can't win. :eek

When Sayid and Jack were digging in the "basement" I had a thought that all the "stations" were at one point joined together. Then after the "incident" they were all sealed from each other. That would explain the concrete doorways and Sayid's comment about Chernobyl.

Add me to the list of people who were in tears toward the end of the show. Charlie handing Claire the peanut butter, everyone sitting around with a feast! I think Hurley just handed out the food for just that....a feast. He knew it wasn't going to last long so might as well eat like they haven't been able too. That thought leads me to another thought though....I still don't trust that food. Someone said earlier that they thought that the food would be mysteriously replenished...I like that idea.

And, who could forget Michael meeting Bernard! As soon as he asked about Rose I literally gasped and said "It's Bernard!" . Nice to see a semi-happy ending although I am not sure how long it will last.

Oh, and it was so nice to only have to sift through 4 pages of posts to be able to add my own. Big thank you again to
clayseason1 for the very generous gift of EZ Supporter!

[dos]

see, when I first saw the TSS group and the station they were surviving in, I got the impression that they were in the area OUTSIDE the metal door, outside the living quarters, and that perhaps to this point they've been unable to get inot the living quarters area... afterall, it took them blowing the hatch to get in the first one... guess I need to watch it again.

[Southern Cherry]

When Sayid and Jack were digging in the "basement" I had a thought that all the "stations" were at one point joined together. Then after the "incident" they were all sealed from each other. That would explain the concrete doorways and Sayid's comment about Chernobyl.

I agree, I think that all the hatches/"stations" were connected and then at some point sealed off from one another. Hopefully we will see more of the other "station" next week and get a better idea of what is going on.

I have a question- does anyone think there is some significance in the fact that it was Jin in Hurley's dream? Why Jin- why not someone that Hurley is closer to such as Charlie? The only connection that I know of between them is that Hurley was on the tv behind Jin when he was at the health dept. dude's house. Aside from that- is there anything else? Or is it because Jin was a missing raftor and like someone else said- Shannon had a vision of Walt, Hurley dreams about Jin- so is someone going to have a dream/vision of Michael and Sawyer next?

Just curious as to what other people think..

I may be a new poster but I have been lurking here forever- this board is as much of an addiction as the show itself. LOL

[LB766]

we don't know that the tail section survivors are in another bunker ... it could be another section of the original hatch. There could be a series of connecting tunnels on the other side of the wall Sayid was attempting to break down.

**added this post before the above showed up. I think its all one big bunker and the other 5 stations are elsewhere in the world.

[ZIA29112]

I loved this episode too.
The people from the back of the plane back story is going to be great-they have had a really rough time so far. Still don't really like Anna Lucia that much already tI definately liked the ending.

[steriossreb]

It appears to be an Arrow pointed upwards with Dharma across the middle.

[Staxawax]

I haven't heard mention of my favorite line of the night........ "You didn't say three"! Sawyer is my comic relief for this series. Funny, I spent season 1 hating the guy and now I'm starting to feel sorry for him because every time he opens his mouth he gets smacked!

[Neese25]

My question on the flashback, is how could the guy from the store possibly knew that Hurley was the lottery winner? They must sell tons of tickets on a jackpot that large, and it wasn't like Hurley played a weird number like 123456 that might stand out to the guy. To the store owner, the numbers 4 8 15 15 23 42 would be very random.

Maybe Hurley was goin on about those number, to the convenience store guy? Maybe they are friendly, and chatted about those numbers? Just my guess...

[dduross44]

I love how Jin was speaking English in a dream. Very cool scene. "No, you are speaking Japanese." ha!

Actually it was "No, you are speaking Korean." Funny, nonetheless.

Good episode but definitely not the best this season. I agree that episodes like this are nice but I need more answers.

My Thoughts:

Jin: Even though it was a dream of Hurley's, it could be foreshadowing that he knows English. When Ana told him to climb or his friend would be shot, Jin seemed to understand. Just a thought.

Hurley: I am intrigued too by how the clerk recognized him so quickly. Yes Hurley is a big guy but he was sitting in a van at night. The guy recognized him like he was celebrity. Interesting.

Locke: The whole thing about not being able to track Desmond got me thinking. As someone aptly mentioned earlier, it is clear that Locke has tracking abilities. Knowing Locke's obsessive personality...It makes you wonder why he gave up so fast. Again...I think Locke knows much more about the island than he is letting on.

[KateSheppard]

I agree as well that it's likely there are several hatches around the island that are all connected in relation to the Dharma initiative project. For all we know there could be hudnreds of stations like Desmond's.

I also think that Ana Lucia has some kidn of military or cop training. She is intimidating much in the way that a corrections officer or a army officer would be. She knows that Sawyer is a shifty guy already, so it's interesting tos ee what happens when they do finally get back to Jack and the others and she finds out about Kate's past. I wonder if that will be the source of conflict for them if Ana Lucia is an authority figure especially if they try to match her up with Jack.

Man I was also crying when Bernard asked about Rose, especially when she put away the candybar for him.

By the way Hurley's crush in hihs flashback is Margeruite Moreaux who was in Wet Hot American Summer :D Thought it was funny to see Hurly and his buddy singing a Driveshaft tune in the store.

And the shower scene was so hot. You could see Jack's drool running down his chin.

[dduross44]

we don't know that the tail section survivors are in another bunker ... it could be another section of the original hatch. There could be a series of connecting tunnels on the other side of the wall Sayid was attempting to break down.

I don't think so and for one reason. The Dharma logo on the wall was different from the other hatch. The other hatch logo is with the swan. This logo looks to have a cross of some sort in the middle.

[Primus29]

see, when I first saw the TSS group and the station they were surviving in, I got the impression that they were in the area OUTSIDE the metal door, outside the living quartersI'm with you.

[KevlarG]

Someone mentioned that the Randy at Mr. Cluck and the Randy at the box company look a lot alike. Lost-media.com has screencaps of both from this episode and the walkabout episode. They do resemble, although the hairstyle in the walkabout episode looks more modern - rather than the bowl cut on the Mr. Cluck Randy.

I thought this too. I said it looks just like Locke's boss without the Dave Grohl treatment.

I guess reading all the things you guys catch that I miss made me overly eager to find clues...

p.s. -

also, they always know the winning numbers for the lotto after the drawing and since they are generated by computers they know exactly where the ticket was sold

[steriossreb]

My personal opinion is that the writers desire for MR to portray Ana Lucia's charcter in the tough rugged role initially to give the impression to us the viewer that something has caused Ana Lucia and her fellow TSS to act the way that they are acting.

Lets review what the established episodes have shown us:

1. Ana Lucia and her fellow TSS are carrying weapons, acting very defensive toward M, J, and S.

2. The TSS initially started with 23 but have significantly dwendled in numbers for some reason that has yet to be explained.

3. We know that their is a collective group we know of as "the others" who have demonstrated that they are willing to inflict harm.

4. We also know that there is an island phenomenon described by Desmond as a sickness that infects people. We also know that Rousseau is aware of this sickness because she tells us last season that it infected her team that led to her killing them out of necessity.

So, in conclusion Ana Lucia's rough demeanor is probably written by design to demonstrate how difficult the TSS have had it during their 40+ days on the island. They are certainly in fear of some group in their area. These "hunters" are either the group we have referred to previously as "the Others" or they are the remaining TSS that have been infected by the sickness.

[LostfanforLife]

Yes, if you look at cast notes, it is Billy Ray Gallion playing Randy in both the Walkabout and Everybody Hates Hugo episodes. Very interesting!

I also believe the two bunkers are different parts of the experiment, as they have different symbols. But I really like the idea that all the bunkers could be interconnected. I do, however, believe that Desmond (the hunk!) was heading off to another bunker when he ran away. But perhaps that is because of the cemented walls, so he could not go directly thru to another bunker right now.

I really like the thoughts about Walt (perhaps) projecting all the missing rafters to our original losters. Looking forward to seeing whether or not there will be more "dream/vision" flashes of Michael and Sawyer. But who would he send the Sawyer one to, everyone hates him! Hmmmm, Kate and Jack getting friendly and she gets a vision of Sawyer right in the middle of it, maybe?? Would be rofl at that one!!!

[sunnyskies]

Here you go Chinamom - Trying to answer the question about what Sayid was working on last night. I don't necessarily think it was a door but someone was trying to build a wall in a walkway to fill in any entrance to the area. (Maybe to keep contaminates in?) He was using the titanium to try to break through the concrete to find out more about what was inside.

Just what I think is going on - hopefully it is a little helpful :D

[erock1331]

The people from the back of the plane back story is going to be great-they have had a really rough time so far. Still don't really like Anna Lucia that much already tI definately liked the ending.

Can't wait to see the episode showing their first 40 days....
By the way in the previews when it showed the legs of the "Others" walking by. Were they human ? Looked kinda Primate to me. Maybe Island of Dr. Moreau-ish

[LB766]

"we don't know that the tail section survivors are in another bunker ... it could be another section of the original hatch. There could be a series of connecting tunnels on the other side of the wall Sayid was attempting to break down."

I don't think so and for one reason. The Dharma logo on the wall was different from the other hatch. The other hatch logo is with the swan. This logo looks to have a cross of some sort in the middle.

good point. how about the possibility that all the stations are interconnected through a common power source. The geothermal system could be located in the center of all 6 stations and the TSS stumbled across a different one.

[minnesotaadvocate]

Desmond may have been caught by people who know how to cover their tracks.

This was mentioned above, but no one responded to it. I personally think the original poster has a VERY good idea here!

Yes, it's possible that Locke just wanted to let him go and just SAID he couldn't track Desmond. But, to me, the above is equally likely.

[netfrog2000]

The best parts of last night were revealed prior to the showing and the rest was pretty slow. So slow, it put my husband to sleep. (Though I will admit that he is not as much a fan as I am.)

I absolutely loved that Bernard was an older *white* man as concerned about his wife as Rose was concerned about him. Lovely to see a relationship that strong after (I am assuming) that many years of marriage. Plus it adds to the "faith" v/s "science" arena. Jack should take some cues from Rose.

I am just hopeful that we haven't already seen the best of next week's episode in the previews. While I think the back story, etc is important, they are beginning to loose the casual viewer (ie my DH and others here at work). So I am REALLY hoping for an action filled episode.

As for those the food being "replenished" mysteriously, I sure hope not. But I do think there is something unreasonable about the size of the store room, the amount of food left (and that it appeared to be able to hold) and the time Desmond was on the island. It just doesn't add up.

[theTHRILL01]

Pic of Walt on the milk carton for those who haven't seen it.
lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg)

Maybe I missed something somewhere, but where do people get the idea that one or more of the lawyers from Wolfram & Hart are on the island?

[balabanov]

Jin and Bernard were both on Angel as Wolfram & Hart lawyers.

[kimmykay1213]

Did anyone notice that Kate was in the background eating at the chicken resturant Hurley worked at?

[diendadeez]

i'll have to see a pic of that

[ileslie]

When Jack and Sayid were together, Jack said "look at this" (or something close) and showed Sayid how the key was attracted toward the wall. What did Sayid say right after that, and was he referring to the key? I thought he said something about titanium, but other posters refer to titanium as the chunk of metal Sayid was using to try and bust through the wall.

[Khan]

This episode seems more pulled together than the last few. They divided the time between the regulars and the new people well.
A couple of points though. What the hell was Sayid and Jack trying to do by breaking into that sealed section? No one put that much concrete around something for no reason.What were they looking for? If they did get to the generator what were they going to do? Shouldn't they have thought that one out a little?
This was Hurley's best episode,it was so sweet and sad,he's one the best characters, I'm glad he's getting more air time.
Ana-Lucia tops my all time hate list,previously occupied by only three others who now don't seem so bad.The writers have been hinting about Lord Of The Flies for awhile and now they've done it. I knew it was coming but I didn't think it was going to be this annoying. I thought It would divide between Locke and Jack. Locke early on talking about not angering Sayid because they'll need him on thier side. I wonder if Locke is going to be the one to go and they needed a replacement.

[Tera]

dduross44 wrote:

Actually it was "No, you are speaking Korean." Funny, nonetheless.

Oops, you are right. I chalk up my error to the fact that I was posting before I had my morning caffeine. :o

[minnesotaadvocate]

Here you go Chinamom - Trying to answer the question about what Sayid was working on last night. I don't necessarily think it was a door but someone was trying to build a wall in a walkway to fill in any entrance to the area. (Maybe to keep contaminates in?) He was using the titanium to try to break through the concrete to find out more about what was inside.
I seem to remember Sayid saying that he broke through a door, but there was concrete behind it.


Thanks for the clarification about the lawyers. So they're only lawyers on a different show, huh? (When someone mentioned two lawyers, I thought they were talking about Libby and one other person, lawyers on this show.)


Would LOVE to see a pic of Kate in the Chicken Shack! Was she really there?


ETA:
When Jack and Sayid were together, Jack said "look at this" (or something close) and showed Sayid how the key was attracted toward the wall. What did Sayid say right after that, and was he referring to the key? I thought he said something about titanium, but other posters refer to titanium as the chunk of metal Sayid was using to try and bust through the wall.
Sayid was referring to the piece of metal he was using. If it had been magnetic, he wouldn't have been able to use it.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

steriossreb:


My personal opinion is that the writers desire for MR to portray Ana Lucia's charcter in the tough rugged role initially to give the impression to us the viewer that something has caused Ana Lucia and her fellow TSS to act the way that they are acting.



sterio, you’re right, they’ve had it tough and the tough girl exemplifies it. But I think it goes a bit deeper than that. There’s another thread over in the Ana-Lucia section that discusses her occupation. I, like many, think she’s got some sort of military or law enforcement training in her. She’s too smooth to have just learned how to attack and defend herself in the past 40 days.

There was a commercial for the new Tony Scott flick “Domino” about halfway through this episode.

Wild Ass Theory Number 10,529:
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I’ll bet 50 bucks that Ana-Lucia is a bounty hunter that went to Australia to retrieve either Kate or Sawyer.

This would at least set up some tension later in the season.

[kuerious]

I have a question- does anyone think there is some significance in the fact that it was Jin in Hurley's dream? Why Jin- why not someone that Hurley is closer to such as Charlie? The only connection that I know of between them is that Hurley was on the tv behind Jin when he was at the health dept. dude's house. Aside from that- is there anything else?

Hurley and Jin had a bonding moment last season when Hurley needed to eat more protein and wanted Jin to teach him how to fish. Jin initially ignored him, but by the end of the epi had given him a fish.

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Supposedly this season a female character is going to die. Sawyer told Ana Lucia, "Hit me again, and I will kill you," or something pretty close to that. Please, oh please, let her hit Sawyer again!

[DreaminLost]

Did anyone notice that when Ana Lucia knocked on the door and Bernard opened it--the door seemed to be made of WOOD. Not metal.

Also, the fact that she KNOCKED and it had to be opened from the inside is telling. They're afraid of someone or something that has been either killing off or stealing the other tailenders.

[DreaminLost]

Sawyer told Ana Lucia, "Hit me again, and I will kill you," or something pretty close to that.
Yeah, and did you catch that smile she gave him after he said it? Seemed odd to me.

[Leafy]

1. Could the "sickness" be radiation poisoning? Remember when Jack and Sayid were under the complex, Jack said something about the only place everything was covered with that much concrete was Chernobyl.

2. I won a $5 bet with a friend about Rose's husband being a white guy. I just KNEW it!:D That is just so cool. I was tearful when Bernard asked about Rose and when she put the candy bar in her pocket. Also when Charlie gave Claire the peanut butter. GREAT moments.

3. Maybe the other survivors found a different hatch, where the button pushers stopped pushing the buttons, and it fell into ruin. It would be in worse shape as the Jack & Locke hatch.

[Jesilu]

I know more about geothermal heating (which most regions of the world have access to), but I think this system is geothermal power, which as someone else mentioned, requires volcanic/geyser-type activity.

So I looked it up, and here's the most interesting thing to me:

"Geothermal steam and hot water do contain naturally occurring traces of hydrogen sulfide (a gas that smells like rotten eggs) and other gases and chemicals that can be harmful in high concentrations."

Kate said the shower water smelled a bit like rotten eggs.

Could be that the sickness was/is caused by the other gases or chemicals.

~Jesilu

[Yoshi9]

Im fairly certain it is not kate
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/518/snapshot85jf.png

What does Rambina mean?

[cpthowdy]

"Urine is sterile, and can kill some bacteria. "

Actually urine contains ammonia which can de-activate toxins from certain marine animals such as jellyfish, stingrays,etc..

[DreaminLost]

Could the "sickness" be radiation poisoning?
The reason I think it's not is because Danielle said that she HAD to kill them all because 'what would happen if they were rescued?'

Which makes me feel that it was contageous and a serious threat to the rest of the world.

[Jesilu]

Rambina = female Rambo

Not Sawyer's best work, but he's probably hungry and tired.

~Jesilu

[DreaminLost]

What does Rambina mean?

Girl Rambo

ALSO:
Urine is sterile. When you get an urinary tract infection it's because bacteria is present and it HURTS.

[sawyerhasbestlines]

Initially, I wanted Ana Lucia pushed over a cliff.

Now, I'm thinking she's turned into this amazon creature for very good reasons. Whatever the tailenders have gone through, these are the toughest of the survivors. The others may have died, or terrible things done to them.

Let's not push Ana over the cliff yet, she'll be useful later on. When we hear the ordeals of how they've survived, I guarantee we will have a different opinion of her.

[Yoshi9]

Kate said the shower water smelled a bit like rotten eggs.
No she said it smelled like sulphur (wich does smell like rotten eggs btw)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

ileslie,


When Jack and Sayid were together, Jack said "look at this" (or something close) and showed Sayid how the key was attracted toward the wall. What did Sayid say right after that, and was he referring to the key? I thought he said something about titanium, but other posters refer to titanium as the chunk of metal Sayid was using to try and bust through the wall.


You’re right and so is everyone else.

Sayid said, “Then it’s a good thing this is Titanium. No magnetic properties.” as he hefted the thing he was using to chip at the wall.

Chinamom wanted to know some about Titanium, CMS377 responded that it’s a “lightweight metallic element.”

It is an element (#22 on the Periodic Table), and not magnetic in the least. Titanium is used in many places, but it’s very prevalent in the Aerospace industry.

It’s not as heavy as common steel, but heavier than Aluminum.

1 cubic inch of common 304 steel = .289 lbs.

1 cubic inch of Titanium = .166 lbs.

1 cubic inch of Aluminum = .098 lbs.

[LostinWV]

8 Years of medical school begs to differ.

[DreaminLost]

Thoughts on Hurley's lottery numbers:

The 'curse' of the numbers had been around a LONG time before Hurley decided to use them in the lottery.

But they weren't chosen as the winning lottery numbers until the VERY WEEK he decided to play them.

It's like the numbers were waiting for him to use them before they came up as the winning combo.

[Aaron's Mum]

Ugh I just lost my WHOLE post. Doh. Well I really want to mention this.

Ethan made himself seem like part of the lostaways. It wasnt until Hurley noticed that he wasnt on the manifest that they knew he wasnt one of them. So, I am wondering which one of the tailfeathers is Ethan's buddy. They dont have the manifest!!!

[wayngo]

Why were Sayid and Jack trying to break through a wall? It just kinda jumped at me and surprised me when Jack walked in and Jayid was beating on the wall. Maybe I missed a scene when they decided to do that.

Any help?

[Ida Monster]

First, I'd like to commend whoever had to make the hard decision of limiting postings to EzSupporters during the night of the broadcast. Where there is usually 25-30 pages to sift through there was only 4-5 pages at 9am. Too many people were posting without reading first or giving up after reading 6-8 pages. It also seeemed like it was being used as chat room instead of a discussion board. I think it was the right thing to do and gratefully switched from registered lurker to an EzSupport member yesterday. Hopefully enough people will buy EzSupport or donate to the chest to keep it out of the red.

Now onto some of my thoughts about the episode:

As mentioned prior, Ana Lucia, aka "Rambina" did seem to be the most dominant "leader" of the TSS. I like it that they are setting her up to be the antagonist to Jack (and/or Kate's) protagonist. I agree that she may also be another Air Marshal.
(perhaps the cell call she got while talking to Jack at the Sydney airport lounge was Marshal Ed Mars?)

I fell asleep just before the show started and totally missed Hurley's dream sequence.. arrgh! Gotta go back to the tape.

[steriossreb]

my sense of this episode is that it was trying to show hurley's mental breakdown. we know he was in a psychiatric facility and i think tonight we got a peek at why - he has extreme paranoia that #1 these numbers are cursed and #2 people will hate him. tonight he almost blew up the hatch because he thought people would hate him because of it. who know what other things he has done because of his paranoia?

Maybe you are right about his "people will hate him" phobia. However, you can't be correct about the numbers being cursed. Your timeline is a little off. He was placed in the mental institution prior to his encounter with the numbers and Leonard. Think back to his explaination to Jack durint the S2ep1.

[Jesilu]

No she said it smelled like sulphur (wich does smell like rotten eggs btw)

OK, fair enough.

My point being that Kate smelled the byproduct of the geothermal energy source (hydrogen sulfide), verifying Sayid's apparaisal.

I must have gotten Kate's description confused with my own painful memories of Florida water.

~Jesilu

[blackjack68]

Sure it was a nice scene, but when Rose slipped the chocolate bar in her pocket, did ANYONE ELSE immediately think, "Oh yeah, that candy is gonna hold up real well in the South Seas heat?!?" Or was it just me?:rolleyes

And add my vote to the Mr. Cluck being Hugo's boss from the chicken shack, not the lottery guy or his friend Johnny (DJ Qualls).

[JediArturo]

my sense of this episode is that it was trying to show hurley's mental breakdown. we know he was in a psychiatric facility and i think tonight we got a peek at why - he has extreme paranoia that #1 these numbers are cursed and #2 people will hate him. tonight he almost blew up the hatch because he thought people would hate him because of it. who know what other things he has done because of his paranoia?



I'm glad you mentioned this, it's also what I got from the Hurely fb scenes. If he was so quick to find the dynimate to make things "better" what did he do on the mainland, prior to the crash? The look in that boys eyes while he was caught by Rose made me think of paranoid schizophrenia.

My Quesion: Is it fact that Hurely went into the psych ward prior to winning with the numbers?


*The store owner of the lottery ticket prob'ly had time to watch the tapes that showed Hurley placing the bet.


*Rambo. Girly style.

[devlyyn]

So I was rewatching last night's episode today and something just hit me. Excuse me if this has been discussed before (over and over) but there are alot of posts here and I cant keep up. Anyway, when Michael and Libby(??) were walking from the pit and they're talking about how many survived in their sections of the plane Michael said "around 40" and she said "23". Obviously those are close to the Numbers, but does anyone remember exactly how many people survived from the front section of the plane? Including the pilot and the woman that drowned. Because it would seem to me that if there were 42 people in the main section of the plane and 23 people in the tail section they could represent 2/6 of the experiments that are going on around the island. That would lead me to assume that the other 4 experiments would have groups of 4, 8, 15 and 16 people respectively. Would that be so farfetched?

[DreaminLost]

I thought it was weird that when Hurley's mom was razzing him she said things like,
"Yes, Jesus Christ can bring you a new car."

Then he goes and buys a new Hummer when he wins the lottery.

She also says, "That must be JC on the phone right now."
And then he sees on the tv that his numbers just won the lottery.

Also, notice the statue of the Virgin Mary by their tv?

Now I'm not saying that Jesus caused him to win the lottery, but it's STRANGE---

[devlyyn]

How many people were in Danielle's group? Wasnt there 4 of them? That could be one of the other experiments...

[steriossreb]

I don't really understand everyone's facination with Walt during Hurley's dream sequence. We are to believe that the blured picture of Walt on the Milk carton is vitally important much more so than the fact that during that same dream sequence there is a man dressed a large chicken costume.

My guess is that the Walt photo on the milk carton should be considered important any more than the giant Chicken. Both occured in a dream. Not a vision as Shannon saw of Walt, but a dream during sleep.

[Lisa AR]

Male urine is generally considered sterile and can be used to neutralize the toxins of a jellyfish sting. Female urine can be used in a pinch but since women are more likely to have a UTI, it is more likeley that a woman's urine would carry bacteria.

I love that I didn't have to wade through page after page of garbage to get the info on tonights show.

[JediArturo]

Well they are Hispanic, and being Hispanic, I know how much Catholic symbols are important to Hispanic families. Virgin Mary even more so. I can count at least three around my family's house. I think Hugo's mom believes that JC has control of their lives (not an abnormal way of thinking of things). Thus her stating how JC will "do this" and "do that".


These types of correlations could be helping Hugo become more delusional, though.

[steriossreb]

What the hell was Sayid and Jack trying to do by breaking into that sealed section?

my guess is that with Sayid and Jack both being men of reason. They both probably see this pushing the button as dumb. However, they are going to err on the side of caution and continue the game until they find out more answers.

Sayid and Jack appear to be in the process of determing what is going on by finding out what has been sealed off from the rest of the bunker.

[DreaminLost]

Also, notice the statue of the Virgin Mary by their tv?
But it also ties in to Charlie's statue of the Virgin Mary hiding the heroin.

[Reed029]

I used to work at a convenience store and here's my thought on how the clerk knew it was Hurley. You wouldn't believe how many people in this country play the same lottery numbers every day for a long time. Trust me, when you work in a place with a lottery machine, eventually you enter the same numbers for the same people so many times that you almost memorize them yourself. That's one possible explanation.

Also, I taped the episode and the tape cut out just before the white guy of the "tailenders" said something to Sawyer. I've gathered from posts that it was Bernard and he asked about Rose. Is there anything else I missed?

[DreaminLost]

But Hurley told Jack that he played the numbers only once.

[JediArturo]

I don't really understand everyone's facination with Walt during Hurley's dream sequence.

To me, it's odd that Hugo incorporates Walt into his dream like that. Hugo doesn't know the fate of the raft, yet. It's only been what, 20 hours since the raft people left. He doesn't know at the beginning of the show that the message bottle (that was on the raft) arrived back to shore. So yeah, it's a dream, but it is odd that Hugo, not knowing the fate of Walt, incorprated him onto a milk carton as "missing". To me that is odd. If he had know the fate of Walt, then yeah, it makes a ton more sense, it's just his subconcious placing Walt in his dream somewhere and somehow. But he doesn't know the fate of the rafters.

[JediArturo]

But it also ties in to Charlie's statue of the Virgin Mary hiding the heroin.

You could very well be right. Good catch.

[kaudrey]

I believe there were originally 48 survivors, and 5 are now dead (joanne, boone, artz, pilot, scott?), so there are 43 left. Can someone verify that for devlyyn and I?

[Jesilu]

Sure it was a nice scene, but when Rose slipped the chocolate bar in her pocket, did ANYONE ELSE immediately think, "Oh yeah, that candy is gonna hold up real well in the South Seas heat?!?" Or was it just me?

Actually, when Kate first ate that chocolate bar, I kept thinking of all the times I've gotten "old" chocolate at the grocery store. Hoping to satisfy my intense craving, only to find that the stale, crusty chocolate was making things worse.

I seriously doubt chocolate and caramel would stay good and soft for 20 or 30 years, so either that's bionic candy, the shipment arrived recently, or they don't have enough PMS-prone women working on this show.

But I didn't even think about the heat on the beach.

~Jesilu

[tek2k3]

just a thought, but...

It seems that Ana definitly has had some military training at some point and she probably took the leadership role in the group of TSS. Perhaps she is the reason why the group has dwindled from the 23 that they originally had down to the few that are remaining. The rest of the TSS seemed somewhat afraid of her.

If she is ex-military are we going to see a confrontation between her and Sayid later?

[agrillo]

That is definitely Walt on the milk. Which just goes to prove that Desmond recently recieved a delivery of food.
Be nice if we could read what's under Walt's picture.
The Central Scrutinizer mentioned that it was a dream when we saw Walt's picture. I thought of this too, but Hurley doesn't know Walt's missing. I think there's more to it. Maybe Brian drugged Susan to appear dead and then when she came to he told her Walt was mising.

I think Jin acting like he understands English sometimes is just Jin picking up on a few words. He's the only Korean other than Sun of course. He's bound to figure out a few things eventually since English is all he hears.

Great scence when Sawyer says, "You want me hot lips..." then she closes the cell. I thought that was so funny. And then you hear him add "Bitch". Great start.

And as far as Ana-Lucia... People are jumping on the I hate her bandwagon quick. I think the speculation that she's military is correct. Some one that's been in the military even after leaving still likes to give orders if they were high ranking. Not to mention the fact that they are down to 7 from 23. I'd be a little weary of strangers too if 16 people went missing or dead. And Sawyers not the most cooperative person. Besides I think all that was just foreplay for those two.

[Kate hunter]

Anyone else about had their fill of Jack's character?

There are so many "new beginnings" for the castaways, but Jack remains wound too tight for words. He would have been well advised to take the shower Kate offered, grab a bottle of anything from the pantry, and enjoyed some hot bunking with the newly showered desperado.

[JediArturo]

agrillo,
It is Walt. No doubt. But when we saw the milk carton it was during Hugo's dream. Can we say for any certainty that Walt's pictures are on the milk cartons? Do they even have milk? It could of just been Hugo's dream manifesting the milk carton. I really don't think there is a milk carton in that pantry hatch, especially not one with Walts pix on it. It is very bizarre that Hugo did dream of that, though, considering he doesn't know what has happened to the Rafters.


The delayed "Bitch" from Sawyer had me laughing SOOO hard, I'm glad you mentioned that. That had to of been on of the funniest lines, last night. It was spot on too. AL is a bitch (but that's ok, that's her role at the moment).Not sure who mentioned she could be a bounty hunter (Or i'd give props) but I think they're spot on with that thought. She's got bad ass vigilante written all over her.

[BroeSucksAss]

That was a really good idea to keep the board open to EZSupporters for a while. It's so much easier to read through now. Of course now we're an influx of repeat postings.....

Anyway, I agree with a poster who said we're making too big of a deal of Walt being on the milk carton. It was just funny and if Hurley didn't notice it in his dream, it's probably not that important. It was just a jab from TPTB to us.

[LostMyFace]

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Why is there confusion about this. There was a whole episode called Numbers....did you guys forget this? We learned that Hurley met Leonard in the Psych ward. Leonard is the one who repeated the numbers. Hurley met Leonard who repeated the numbers non stop....in the psych ward. Hurley who then left the psych ward, kept thinking about the numbers and one day decided to use them to play the lottery. The numbers did not cause his psychosis (or paranoia of being crazy).
Hurley learned the numbers at the psych ward.

Guys, where are you?

[JediArturo]

<smacking my head for doing a "dee dee dee"> So sorry.

[LostMyFace]

Ok, some people think that Walt on the milk carton is significant and others do not (because it was a dream). We may not ever know, but....

I invite you all to think about the other dreams (not flashbacks, I am strictly talking dreams/visions) that the other episodes have shown us.

Claire - someone hurting/taking the baby, injecting something into her stomach - remember what happened after her dream? What could still happen, in upcoming episodes?

Locke - the drug plane crash, Boone all bloody ranting about the nanny falling up and down the stairs - remember what happened after this dream/vision?

I guess you could say Jack too...his hallucination of seeing his Dad, then finding the coffin - empty. What will we learn about that in the upcoming eps?

Any others that I can't think of? Besides Hurley's of course. I am just saying that the other dreams/visions that we have seen so far in this series have come true is some form. The milk carton with Walt's pic was so obvious, yet so obscure like many things we have seen/not seen...but it was placed right in the center of the screen. Yes it was totally weird and so was the convenience store guy in the chicken suit. But that's why we love it!

[steriossreb]

Jediarturo stated:
My Quesion: Is it fact that Hurely went into the psych ward prior to winning with the numbers?

I think evidence supports this as fact. Remember in the first episode of season 2 the conversation that Hurley and Jack had concerning the numbers. Hurley informes Jack that he first encountered the numbers WHILE he was in the psychiatric ward with Leonard.

[athywithak]

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[jncar]

I've always liked the character-centered stories better than the mystery-centered stories, so this episode really made my day.

I loved the idea of just having a great big feast--way to go Hurley!

And the Rose/Bernard thing at the end was beautiful.

As for Sayid trying to bust into the concrete, I think his goal was to find evidence to support or debunk the need to keep pushing the button.

One of my biggest thoughts after watching the preview for next week was: once the TSS meet up with our regular survivors, and find that room full of guns and ammo, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ana-Lucia and friends want to load up on weapons and go unleash a little payback. And if Michael hasn't found Walt by then, he will be right in there with them. Maybe sweeps will bring us an island war--survivors vs. others.

[ma am grundy]

I don't think it's important that the candy is still edible when Bernard and Rose are reunited. I see it as more of a symbolic prayer for their future together and an unspoken "I love you" in present time.

I know when you have been part of a couple and in love for years and years, it's natural to save special things to share with your partner, be it food, happy news, the cute thing the kid did today or whatever.

It probably wouldn't even occur to Rose to enjoy something so extravagant (under those circumstances) alone while her husband may be suffering alone because they share everything together.

I also believe that they will be reunited and no matter how much the candy melts and changes, it will still be the sweetest thing Bernard has ever touched to his lips.

Even if it kills him later, lol.

[Jeanne and Alex]

Sorry for the brain freeze, but where do we know Libby from? She wasn't the lawyer in the custody battle for Walt or Michael would have recognized her. Was she in the room when Claire was going to give her baby up for adoption? Sorry for the lapse...:rolleyes

[LostMyFace]

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I like that idea! And then they won't let Charlie go off to war because he's too small and not strong enough...poor Charlie.

Maybe the possible upcoming war is part of the experiment...then Charlie will come save the day with his Heroine! wooohoooo!!!

[zabzababz]

I just rewatched the episode and I noticed a few things

Anyone else think that the Libby person seemed alittle.. crazy.. Rambina and Shaft seem perfectly sane but she looked and acted alittle crazy.. just what have these people been through?

Also anyone notice in Hurleys dream scene there is some writing on the side of a candy box.. Its just a dream but still.. can anyone make it out.

Lastly number 8 pump at the gas station was shown as they drove by.. another easter egg. Great epi though

[synja]

the winning ticket's location and sometimes time of purchase are made public... im sure the store clerk could have figured out who it was based on the time of purchase.

sulphur is found in a lot of water systems. have you ever been to orlando? water there horribly smells like sulphur.. i doubt theres anything more to read into there

the hurley dream sequence was a *DREAM* sequence. who cares if jin is speaking english or walt is on a milk carton? people who are concocting these theories about food being delivered on a regular basis are morons, especially if they think that full steak dinners just get delivered as-is in cardboard boxes... come on, get a grip

i hate to be a cynic but some of the real mysteries of this show are getting completely ignored by people who insist on dwelling on the mundane

[Mikamouth]

Sure it was a nice scene, but when Rose slipped the chocolate bar in her pocket, did ANYONE ELSE immediately think, "Oh yeah, that candy is gonna hold up real well in the South Seas heat?!?" Or was it just me?

Remember, though - Rose told Hurley that Bernard "had a mouth full of sweet teeth", so she was stashing the chocolate for him.

Great episode overall. We got a glimpse into the lives of the TSS, as well as some more backstory on Hurley. That cutie in the record store was sweet! Would be nice to see if anything developed between her & Hurley, but after winning the lottery, it probably went to shat.

Loved Sawyer's lines, too - he has become a great source of dry humor in the show.

[shootingstar05]

Could the "sickness" be radiation poisoning? Remember when Jack and Sayid were under the complex, Jack said something about the only place everything was covered with that much concrete was Chernobyl.

I thought of that too, but I know nothing of radiation poisoning. What does it do?

"Geothermal steam and hot water do contain naturally occurring traces of hydrogen sulfide (a gas that smells like rotten eggs) and other gases and chemicals that can be harmful in high concentrations."

So, does that mean that people living near all the geysers around Old Faithfull are at risk for getting sick?

I forgot about Sawyer saying "Bitch" at the first commercial break. I was cracking up!

By the way in the previews when it showed the legs of the "Others" walking by. Were they human ? Looked kinda Primate to me. Maybe Island of Dr. Moreau-ish

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the boat people looked like primates in the least.

[Aaron's Mum]

That is definitely Walt on the milk. Which just goes to prove that Desmond recently recieved a delivery of food. If there was real milk in that pantry it would be dried or canned. But I'm SURE that fresh steak dinner was real. ;)

[Jesilu]

sulphur is found in a lot of water systems. have you ever been to orlando? water there horribly smells like sulphur.. i doubt theres anything more to read into there

I thought my original quote was quite simple and obvious, but I guess not, since this keeps getting brought up:

"Geothermal steam and hot water do contain naturally occurring traces of hydrogen sulfide (a gas that smells like rotten eggs)"

Sayid said he thinks the station runs on geothermal power (which must be either steam or hot water to actually generate power), and Kate said the water smells of sulfur.

That's all. My point was that Kate was confirming Sayid's speculation. Granted, it wasn't an amazing observation, I just noticed it and thought I'd mention it.

Also, if you read all the posts on the topic of the generator and sulfur smell, you'd see I already mentioned my horrid flashbacks to Florida water. *Shiver*

~Jesilu

[Ida Monster]

lostmyface:
Any others that I can't think of? Besides Hurley's of course. I am just saying that the other dreams/visions that we have seen so far in this series have come true is some form.

You missed one big dream/vision.. Boone's vision of "the monster" turning Shannon into an Entree' in the S1 episode "Hearts & Minds" ... but that has yet to be fulfilled. ;)
(However, it was fulfilled metaphorically at the end of the episode).

[GVN2FLY]

1-There were 48 original survivors(not counting pilot and guy who got sucked through the turbine), 5 died (Marshal, Joanne, Scott or Steve, Boone, Arzt) confirming what Locke told Desmond, that 43 were left.

2-As far as a possiblitiy to why Jin was in a Hurley dream sequence, and a possible connection between the two...It is very possible that the person Jin was to deliver the watch to in L.A. was in fact our own wealthy business tycoon, Hugo Reyes


One other interesting factiod...the numbers added together are 108(we all know that), but add that to the number of original survivors, 48, and we get 156. As in 156 million dollars.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Things I haven’t mentioned yet but have meant to.

I’m glad someone finally mentioned Hurley’s finding a completely cooked steak and potatoes meal in a cardboard box.. :rollin Oh, wait, that was a dream. ;)

Cute that Hugo and his friend found Driveshaft’s CD in the “One Hit Wonders” section of the record store.

Sawyer’s “Bitch” comment: Heehee, I was laughing when she slammed the door down on him in mid-sentence. When I noticed the spinning LOST title was a fraction of a second late coming in, I rewound and that’s when I heard Sawyer. Salty, as usual.

agrillo, I completely agree. All that stuff between Ana-Lucia and Sawyer is truly foreplay. She gave him a pretty inviting grin after he said he’d kill her. ----preview talk following---- The preview for next week hints at them hooking up.

Hugo’s mother is very naggy.

I was upset at first that Jack would be wanting to hide the food, I could see a real dilemma coming for him if word got out. But after the first commercial break, it was made clear: He wants an inventory before anything else. Ah.

I don’t remember his exact words in reference to Chernobyl, but did Sayid say “The last time I saw something encased in concrete like this...” Wow, so much was made of it last week when Jack made the same type of comment about a “computer that saved the world.”

Where are the conspiracy theorists? SAYID WAS AT CHERNOBYL!!!

Ida Monster and lostmyface,


You missed one big dream/vision.. Boone's vision of "the monster" turning Shannon into an Entree' in the S1 episode "Hearts & Minds"


Something always bothered me about that. If it was a vision of Boones, why did the trees get pulled up in the exact same fashion that they did during a real sighting of the Security System/Monster? It was never really made too clear where the reality stopped and the vision began. I’ve said before, I don’t need to be spoonfed everything by the writers, but, in this case, I think it was a cheat.

[shootingstar05]

SAYID WAS AT CHERNOBYL!!!

I thought that too at first, but he said the last time he HEARD of concrete being poured over everything was at Chernobyl.

I forgot about this thought I had last night:
Are the tailaways eating each other? Are the Others eating the tailaways?

[Khan]

Perhaps because they've tapped into the geothermal power the button does more than reset the numbers. It may have something to do with the generator as well. The countdown was added after the "incident".
Now Locke has guns,Big guns,lets hope he doesn't think the island wants him to take out a few people. But maybe now that he has something to do he'll chill out.
I thought they said Ana was suppose to be a semi-famous actress? Whatever she was it doesn't make sense for her to treat the raft guys so badly once she found out they were not the Others. Leaving Sawyer in the hole because he didn't kiss her a**, stepping on his wound, not giving him water, is just nasty. A form of breaking down a persons will to contol them. Deprivation,pain, first steps in mind control.
Odds are she and her little puppets will join the regulars telling them about how evil the Others really are.Jack will disagree with her ways and some will agree,hence the Lord Of The Flies split the writers want.

[LoStMyMiNd]

What did Sayid say about the concrete. My TV bleeped out in that part and I missed it

[Jesilu]

What about Turnip Head?

That makes 44.

Thanks for the count. I keep losing track.

~Jesilu

[LostMyFace]

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I'll have to go back and watch that...I don't remember it at all. Was it really a dream/vision (not totally controlled) or was it more of a hope/daydream (just showing what he "hoped" would happen)...like jeez, what a b*tch, I hope she gets what's coming to her.
Hey, maybe she will still be eaten, I didn't say the eps that have the dreams are the same ones where the dreams (partially) come true. ie. claire dreaming of someone taking the baby didn't happen for another few episodes, when Danielle took the baby.

Just more stuff to drive us nuts!

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If Boone's daydream did happen in Heart's and Mind's, he had already seen the tree thing - from the pilot episode. but it was dark...maybe they just heard it. I'll go back and watch that ep. Anyone have a clue where Boone's daydream happens in the episode...roughly?!? I guess I can check the transcripts...nm

[Oswald]

The tailenders bunker was kind of disheveled, unlike the Swan bunker. My first thought was that maybe someone there did not continue to enter the numbers and that is why the Bunker is destroyed, although the filmstrip implied that the incident and the numbers routine were kind of isolated to the swan station.

The limited food supply, when Hurley fist mentioned that I though it was the biggest clue of the night, the storage room appeared to be packed almost to capacity so I think it implies that it is being restocked, maybe there is some kind of replinishing that happens every 540 days, the replacement button pusher never shows up, but maybe the food does somehow, that would kind of explain why Desmond still expected a replacement to come even after he was a no show for at least 555 days, if not three years or more depending on what Kelvin told him.

[GVN2FLY]

And Vincent makes 45, right. After all, he is a "survivor" of the crash.

[Krusty The Clown]

I suspect that the lottery corporation told the media where the winning ticket was sold - the store owner who actually sold the ticket probably didn't know it until he was told. The fact that he remembered Hurley shouldn't be all that surprising, as Hurley's an easy guy to remember.

The only problem I have with this whole notion that everything's a part of some series of experiments is that it means that so many external things have to be controlled:

For instance, if the winning lottery numbers match the "special" numbers from the island, that means that one person or one agency controls the lottery as part of the experiment;

If the airplane had Hanso symbols on it, that means that it's crash was part of the experiment, right? :rolleyes

[snowblows]

One poster said that Rambina and Shaft seemed normal, but Libby seemed goofy. I think it was just that she was afraid of Rambina - Libby/Michael were quiet and didn't get yelled at but Shaft/Sawyer did. Seemed pretty normal to me (and I like the acress who's playing her - she was on both the Titus and Drew Carey shows as their wife).

I am curious about the 17 tailenders who died. Was the pit for quarentine or for jail. The three raftees could have been put in the pit to see if they were sick and give Rambina a chance to evaluate them, but if the pit were made for previously sick people, they wouldn't have put them in and exposed them to possible sickness and kept them around. It'll be interesting to see why they needed a jail (and where they found the shovels to dig such a big one.

What about hatch #2. It looked trashed and empty. Why would it have been abandoned and if it were abandoned, who would have completely cleaned it out.

Finally, I've seen it mentioned, but not discussed. If Hatch#1 had a full pantry, that when inventoried only fed 1 person for 30 days, where is Desmond getting the food from. It at best would have been 1/18th full (assuming the original 540 day stay which was already exceeded). There was not an empty shelf, nor a massive pile of garbage. I'm going with there must be some sort of center on the island that was the distribution point for this. The others have a boat that was meant for local travel, so maybe some one does come(came) to the island to restock for the 5 hatches. Could that be where Dessie is off to?

[salem2005]

Not a vision as Shannon saw of Walt,

Actually, I'm not sure what Shannon saw was in fact a "vision" - I think she was dreaming/hallucinating, similar to how Hurley was last night. The writers of the show have referred to the Shannon seeing Walt as a "dream" - so it would imply that it's the same type of thing as with Hurley.

It still may not mean anything (Walt on the carton), but I think we need to be careful when we infer that one episode is a "dream" versus another episode being a "vision" - probably to the writers dream / vision mean the same thing.

[Ida Monster]

lostmyface
Was it really a dream/vision (not totally controlled) or was it more of a hope/daydream (just showing what he "hoped" would happen).

Both, kind of..at the end of the episode Boone implied that Locke had drugged him (the paste that he smeared onto his head wound) and Locke answers "I gave you an experience that I believed was vital to your survival on the island."

[james w morrison]

New poster/old lurker

I have seen a couple notes about the preview for next week. I am from Canada and that is definitely NOT the preview I saw up here. I will tell you what I saw - maybe different OR a subset of what you saw?

Libby talking to Michael while walking:

"We don't go that way, Michael"

"Why?"

"Cause that's where THEY came from."


Next Scene:

Sawyer asking the large black man:

"What's your name?"

He says (I thought) a name like: "Mistayeko" or something

Sawyer says: "Mr. Echo?"

Big Man pauses and says "Yeah"

Next Scene:

Libby saying Michael has "left"

Ana saying let's go/move out - Libby picking up what looks like a Walkie-Talkie (much like what Sayid had in S1)

Next Scene:

Jin running through forest - Voiceover - "Jin encounters trouble" - then the growling of a beast of some kind and a smallish balck form - hard to see....

Is this the same preview as you guys saw????? If not - please what did you see?

[Adara]

Some people have commented on what the TSS have been through to make them act the way they do. The answer is The Others. Do you remember at the end of last season (just a few days ago in Lost time), Danielle came to the beach and told our survivers that The Others are coming. So everyone gets scared and prepares. Michael, Jin, Walt and Sawyer sail off on the raft. The rest wait. (now S2), The Others don't show up. Even Hugo makes a comment to Sayid how nice and peaceful it is (before Kate comes running up to take them to the Hatch and Hugo says "crap.") So yeah, all is peaceful on the beachfront. Where are The Others that Danielle warned them about? I'll tell you where I think they are- torturing the TSS, that's where. Where did Danielle hear that The Others coming- from The Whisperers in the forest? Well Danielle doesn't know about the TSS. So The Others were coming for the TSS, not our survivers. She was wrong about which kid The Others wanted (they wanted Walt, not Aaron), so she was also wrong about who The Others wanted to go after too. There were like 23 TSS, and now there are like 6 or so of them.
So they just need to figure out how to get past The Others to reach our survivers on the other side of the island.

[Homer Noodleman]

I thought they said Ana was suppose to be a semi-famous actress? Whatever she was it doesn't make sense for her to treat the raft guys so badly once she found out they were not the Others. Leaving Sawyer in the hole because he didn't kiss her a**, stepping on his wound, not giving him water, is just nasty. A form of breaking down a persons will to contol them. Deprivation,pain, first steps in mind control.

Ah, so I'm not the only other one who remembers the bit about Anna being an actress. I was beginning to think I imagined it.

As for AL's behavior, consider our group of castaways... one day after being warned the Others are coming and Aaron being kidnapped, what are they doing? They're sitting around the beach stuffing their faces oblivious to their surroundings.

Basically, you would have to beat, intimidate and endlessly scream at that group of noodleheads to get them to take any sort of reasonable precaution.

[DrGreenThumb112]

Claire also had the dream of her walking throught the woods hearing a baby, then seeing Locke with the black/white stones in his eys, and then seeing the bloody baby in the crib.

Does anyone remember during the scene where the marshall is talking to airport security about why he needs so many guns to transport Kate on the plane if either the marshal or the security guy are shown getting off the phone? I'm wondering if maybe that's who Anna Lucia was talking to when she was interupted while talking to Jack.

As for Desmond...a few of you say that maybe he was followed or taken by people that knew how to cover tracks very well. I believe this is very possible because Ethan was an extremely good tracker himself. OR...maybe the Dharma scientist's (who are watching from the trees like Ewoks) scooped him up for debriefing and examination after finally getting out of the hatch?!?

Did anyone notice the sound that Jack and Sayid hear while crawling around in the hatch sounded exactly like part of the sound we hear when the security system is around? We were lead to believe that is was just Kate turning off the water, but it could have been something else.

The guy in the chicken costume was absolutely the clerk that realized Hurley was in the van...NOT his boss.

GREAT EPISODE!!! I loved it. Felt so bad for Sun.

[t0xicity3k]

Ok, this is really not that big of a deal, but it is nagging me. The food supply wasn't for 30 days, it was for 3 months. Hurley clearly stated it was for 1 person to eat 3 meals a day for 3 months. Not that that changes anything, it was just bugging me seeing so many people get it wrong.

[Garrath Moore]

I could not agree with your assessment more but you left out one very important fact. In the 40-odd days that they have been on the island, they have had the need to create a lockable "holding pen" or "jail" of sorts. That speaks volumes about the different experiences they have had versus the fuselage survivors.

The question we need to answer is "What happened that caused them to have the need to create a jail?"

My bet is the "sickness" took many of the other TSS members and they used that pen to lock them up.

[DexPac]

She said the others "are coming for the boy." meaning Walt.

[DrGreenThumb112]

I would also love to know why they created the jail cell, but I would want to know even more who they put in there???

I'm also very interested to know if the TSS had any children that were taken like our survivors.

[6toedjewel]

I'm not too concerned about Locke's supposedly giving up tracking Desmond. I used to hunt elk in Co. with my ex-husband. His behavior with Charlie reminds me alot of how experienced hunters will treat "outsiders". Charlie was trying to track Locke and did a poor job. Locke doesn't need someone inexperienced gettin in the way; of danger, or just Locke's hunt for Desmond. Locke hasn't given up on anything. He's just getting rid of Charlie's curiosity and sending him in another directrion so Locke can hunt without worrying about Charlie doing something stupid or getting in the way.

I don't think the food will cause the "sickness", but who knows. You would think Desmond would not have ingested a contaminated food supply just to give himself innoculations to fight the sickness caused by the food. I like the idea that somehow the food must be replaced.

I cried on this episode, too. I was sorta embarrassed until I started reading this thread. It was when Hurley finally realized that his own free will can make a difference. It's not all about fate for him anymore...

[Aaron's Mum]

re: Ana the actress. I thought that people were just talking about the actress playing Ana and that she is semi-famous. But Ana the character is supposed to be an actress?

[DaCounselor]

Sounds alot like "Polar Bear", doesn't it?????

[minnesotaadvocate]

To me, it's odd that Hugo incorporates Walt into his dream like that. Hugo doesn't know the fate of the raft, yet.
Other people have said (and I agree with them) that it's more likely because Walt is missing because of the original plane crash. EVERYONE on the plane is missing. It's just that kids end up on milk cartons.

Now there could be another reason:
(Again, this has already been talked about. Just putting the "missing Walt" stuff in one place here for the benefit of people on this thread.) We don't know for sure that Walt's mother died. Brian was afraid of Walt and maybe he got rid of Walt while she was on a business trip out of the country. Or maybe it was Brian's job to get Walt on that particular flight. After all, he did buy the tickets, didn't he?

[MorinkhanMT]

Anyone want to give a quick synopsis of the preview for next week's show that was seen in States? Like james_w_morrison posted above, I'm from Canada and that's the one I saw.

[Oswald]

Does anyone remember during the scene where the marshall is talking to airport security about why he needs so many guns to transport Kate on the plane if either the marshal or the security guy are shown getting off the phone? I'm wondering if maybe that's who Anna Lucia was talking to when she was interupted while talking to Jack.

I like this theory, it makes sense that if he needed that many guns to control kate a backup marshall would help as well.

If it turns out ot be true it will be real interesting when Ana meets Kate and finds out that the other Marshall is dead

[r121567]

*Chiming in with my 2cents -

(1) Five pages of comments before any mention the Kate's comment about the water smelling like sulphur.....HELLO? For a while I thought this was going to go completely unnoticed! This comment along with Sayid's about the geothermal power coupled with the fact that we see black smoke rising from the ground......does anyone know where new islands come from? Valcanos!

(2) Anyone notice the bags of chips? Anyone ever eat out-of-date chips? They are stale. Chips is not something that you purchase when you plan to store it for a long time. Dry goods, dehydrated foods and can goods are all typical. Chips have expiration dates. This along with the fully stocked, untouched food supply - one would think that there would be half used items in the pantry - makes me think that there is some sort of regular delivery of rations.

(3) Walt was on the milk carton but it was a dream. All of the Lost survivors are missing. What I learned from Hurley's FB is that is his mother seemed to be taunting him about Jesus. Perhaps a claim to have seen Jesus and/or a miracle is what resulted in him being institutionalized.

(4) Nothing we have seen in any of the flash backs or island sceens is date stamped. No magazines or newspapers, not even talk about political or current events that would lend a time frame. In that regard, we can draw no conclusions of as to the order of the FB events or even when the plane crashed. Hence, mid-management Randy in Hurley's FB could be mid-management Randy in Locke's FB at different places in time. Locke's telephone Helen was obviously some time after this real Helen. It's the gaps of time yet to be shown that will paint the true pictures of the characters.

[Aaron's Mum]

I only noticed chips in Hurley's dream. Were they really there?

[DreaminLost]

SOMETHING CAUGHT MY EYE.

In the last scene--when Rose takes the Apollo bar and puts it into her pocket...check out her RING. Take a look at the ring she's wearing on her RIGHT hand, not her wedding ring.

I re-wound several time to get a better look. It reminded me of Brian's ring--when he came to tell Michael that Susan had died. It's like a clauddah (sp?) ring. We talked about it months ago--remember?

I think the ring may be a clue. Can someone post a shot of it? I am clueless about those technical things. (Obviously I can't even get the picture under my name to work.)

I know we all love Rose, but what if she is somehow in kahoots with Brian. She may not be the 'rock' we think she is.

[sonja1325]

r121567, I like your thinking! :lol

1. How many time have I seen 'Dante's Peak'? *Doh* That is a great observation.

3. I kinda thought that the whole part showing Hurley's mom shows that even his own mother doesn't respect him...ridiculing him for being big and not having a great job. Poor guy.

[copychief]

>I would also love to know why they created the jail cell, but I would >want to know even more who they put in there???

I wondered about this last night, too. Perhaps they did not dig the cell/put, perhaps it was there already? Created by the others? Or maybe it was a pit for the polar bears?

[jack adam kate eve]

I've posted this thought before but last nights episode confirmed that my idea is a possibility. Sice we have seen that there was another hatch (or as some have speculated, only one hatch with some sections blocked off from others) it is possible that the person we saw in the opening S1E1 was not Desmond, and in fact was depicting another resident of a yet to be discovered hatch.

This would clear up the confusion after E1 about the rooms being rearranged (i.e. mirrors etc...). My reason is the different arrangment of the computer relative to the bed from the opening sequence to the point when Desmond confronts Jack. In the opening sequence the computer is in the same room as the bed, but not so at the end of E1.

Either way, I suspect our island friends will discover another hatch sometime before this season is over. And that hatch will be occupied, and will look almost identical to Desmonds hatch.

[RU Lost]

Great postings for this Ep. So glad we don't have 20 pages of "Oooh I can't wait for it to start".

Onto the meat...

Did anyone else think the symbol in the TSS's station looked similar to the symbol on the shark from Adrift? I never bought that the shark's symbol was the Swan from Station 3.

Each station could correspond to a different experiment and symbol. Station 3 - The Swan or the Skinner box as I'm referring to it had to deal with electromagnetic properties. I totally dug someone's post about how the 108 minute countdown may be to vent the geothermic gasses.

Digressing above, but what if the TSS's station and symbol correspond to the Zoological experiments being conducted? If we get a clearer look at the shark and the TSS's station symbols I bet they're the same. Wouldn't surprise me if they found similar symbols on the polar bear Sawyer killed too.

Rambina...whoo did that make me chuckle.

[DreaminLost]

My other observation was that in the beginning of Hurley's dream, he was gnawing down on an Apollo Bar.

Then later, when he and Rose were taking inventory of the food --and he opened the tin that held the candy bars-- he acted like he'd never seen them before. He even asked her about them like he'd never heard of Apollo bars before.

But they were in his DREAM!

[notorious1]

And while you're at it on the preview of next week's epidode, please give your insight as to why you 'feel sorry for Sun.' Maybe I'm missing something - other than Jin isn't with her ??

[I Like Freckles]

I only noticed chips in Hurley's dream. Were they really there?

Yeah. Didn't he hand out bags to a couple of people on the beach at the end of the episode? The line of argument about stale chips is right in keeping with the question about stale chocolate bars that came up during Ep2. Seems likely that there's been some sort of replenishment.

However, here's an alternate theory that I haven't seen:
Hurley says that there's enough food left for 1 guy for 3 months. Desmond said that he had been in the hatch for about 3 years. So, what if Kelvin/Calvin had just recently satrted his 540 day shift when Desmond stumbled accross the island? Maybe Calvin/Kelvin's assumed partner died/dissappeared quickly (and before Des's arrival), and then Kelvin/Calvin died/disappeared soon after Des got there.

Then, if the hatch had been provisioned for 2 guys for 1.5 years (540 days) + some "safety factor" surplus, but only one guy had been living/eating there, the food would have lasted about 3 years with a very limited supply remaining.

Still doesn't explain why the stockroom looks pretty full (maybe there are other, empty stockrooms that we haven't seen), or why there isn't a bunch of empty used packaging (maybe a garbage bin that we also have yet to see).

Changing topics:
Back a few pages, someone mentioned something about hydrogen sulfide being poisonous. It is, but mainly in concentrations much higher than those at which you can smell the "eggy" odor. H2S is one of the primary "active" (and by "active," I mean stinky) in flatulence. If low levels of it were truly lethal, "Dude, you killed me with that fart!" would be a literal as opposed to figurative.

[ZIA29112]

A couple more thoughts from me.
I don't think the "others" looked like primates either, but what or whoever they are-the scenes for next week looked brutal.

Where did Desmond go? He said he didn't get out much, but from the way he went tearing through the jungle-he seemed to know exactly where he was headed. It does seem weird that Locke "lost" the trail however-it does seem a little intentional.

[Oswald]

And while you're at it on the preview of next week's epidode, please give your insight as to why you 'feel sorry for Sun.' Maybe I'm missing something - other than Jin isn't with her ??

They found the bottle of notes that left with the rafties, having it wash ashore implies that somehting happened to them. Most likely they perished. Obviously we know this is not true, but it is a logical conclusion the islanders will most likely make.

[ZIA29112]

My other observation was that in the beginning of Hurley's dream, he was gnawing down on an Apollo Bar.

Then later, when he and Rose were taking inventory of the food --and he opened the tin that held the candy bars-- he acted like he'd never seen them before. He even asked her about them like he'd never heard of Apollo bars before.

But they were in his DREAM!
__________________________________________________ __

GREAT observation! didn't even cross my mind....

[DrGreenThumb112]

At the end of the episode when Sun is shown burrying the bottle with the messages in it. I felt bad that she probably thinks he's dead or something.

Does anyone know how many more new episodes there are until we start getting repeats?

[Wildcat]

My point being that Kate smelled the byproduct of the geothermal energy source (hydrogen sulfide), verifying Sayid's apparaisal.

I agree. Ever been to Yellowstone National Park? The whole place reeks of sulfur (atleast it did when I was there.) The poster who said that sulfur is common in water sources that are not geothermal is correct too, but I'm pretty sure TPTB meant for Kate's comment to back up Sayid assumption of geothermal power for the generator. Maybe in future eps we'll more evidence of geothermal activity (small earthquakes, hot springs, geysers or old/new lava flows) They're in Hawaii, they could certainly get footage of an active volcano fairly easily! (Wrong island, I know) :)

[Jesilu]

Maybe he was trying to place them -- they looked familiar, but he didn't know where he'd seen them before. Dreams do that to me all the time, plus they haven't really slept or eaten well in more than a month.

Oh yeah, plus it's TV. They wanted you to think he was actually raiding the pantry, so I'm figuring that's why they showed the actual wrappers and not generic ones.

~Jesilu

[Neese25]

So I was rewatching last night's episode today and something just hit me. Excuse me if this has been discussed before (over and over) but there are alot of posts here and I cant keep up. Anyway, when Michael and Libby(??) were walking from the pit and they're talking about how many survived in their sections of the plane Michael said "around 40" and she said "23". Obviously those are close to the Numbers, but does anyone remember exactly how many people survived from the front section of the plane? Including the pilot and the woman that drowned. Because it would seem to me that if there were 42 people in the main section of the plane and 23 people in the tail section they could represent 2/6 of the experiments that are going on around the island. That would lead me to assume that the other 4 experiments would have groups of 4, 8, 15 and 16 people respectively. Would that be so farfetched?


I LOVE IT!!!! And it makes as much sense as any other theory, more sense than alot of them!

[Jesilu]

I agree. Ever been to Yellowstone National Park? The whole place reeks of sulfur

Thanks CMS! I was beginning to think I was crazy for making this connection. But then I realized, Kate is not a real person. The writers give her dialogue *for a reason* and there's no reason to complain about a shower 45 days overdue unless it feeds the plot!

~Jesilu

[r121567]

About the chips - I would love to see a screen shot but I recall seeing like 4 bags when Hurley & Rose where taking inventory. And again - who would stock patato chips as a long term (1.5 year) item? Aged chocolate become brittle and lightens in color, while not as tasty, it is still etible. Stale chips however, are just bad!

As for the geothermal activity on the island - this first crossed my mind during the return from Black Rock. The sounds from the island - the puffs of black smoke from underground - and the underground chamber that Locke fell into. While I distinctly heard what sounded like a roller coaster type chain as a second sound, the first noises were rumblings from the earth.

[vermontseal]

I for one find it hard to believe that after watching someone (Artz) explode right in front of your very eyes, Hurley then decides "Mabey I'll snag some of this very volitile dynamite for myself"


And finally... yes this forum hosts and inspires many great viewpoints, theories, etc.... But for christsfreakinsakes!!!

I have a hard time believing that JJ, Damon and the other Hollywood fat cat directors,writers, producers, etc spend hours reading these boards. Seriously people, I'm sick of reading something like "OMG you just know tptb are getting their ideas from our boards!!!" Are you really that F N stupid?!
Most of the season's already in the can for christsakes!!!
It takes hours upon hours to sift through all these boards, and I have no life at all. How would a Hollywood superstar waste his/her valuable time diong what were diong right now?
I wouldn't even waste my intern's time.

Oh yeah....


"LOST is the greatest program in the history of television!"

[DreaminLost]

Can someone help me out with a screen cap of Rose's ring?

We all know that TPTB put everything in this show for a reason.

I think somehow Rose is connected to Brian. Can someone support me with a cap or show me I'm Dreamin.

Take a look at the ring on her right hand when she's putting the Apollo bar in her pocket. They're showing it for a reason.

[Clairvoyance]

Anyone want to give a quick synopsis of the preview for next week's show that was seen in States? Like james_w_morrison posted above, I'm from Canada and that's the one I saw.

Is anyone going to do this for these nice folks? I would but my memory is crap. I've seen bits and peices of it scattered throughout this thread already. Come on someone, step up!

[Neese25]

For instance, if the winning lottery numbers match the "special" numbers from the island, that means that one person or one agency controls the lottery as part of the experiment;

If the airplane had Hanso symbols on it, that means that it's crash was part of the experiment, right?

Right, makes sense...unless they are all fake memories...or some other reason, that has not yet been revealed to us...

BTW...can anyone tell me if there is an easy way to quote? I am copying what I want to quote, and clicking, reply, then quote, and pasting it in the quote box...but there HAS to be an easier way, and I just dont get it...right?

[zee1116]

That's a good theory. I like this one a lot. More than any of the others.

[hobbitenvy]

FYI, y'all: humans ARE primates!

[kuerious]

My other observation was that in the beginning of Hurley's dream, he was gnawing down on an Apollo Bar.Then later, when he and Rose were taking inventory of the food --and he opened the tin that held the candy bars-- he acted like he'd never seen them before. He even asked her about them like he'd never heard of Apollo bars before.

But they were in his DREAM!

Yes, but how often do we actually remember our dreams?

[t0xicity3k]

I re-wound several time to get a better look. It reminded me of Brian's ring--when he came to tell Michael that Susan had died. It's like a clauddah (sp?) ring. We talked about it months ago--remember?

I think the ring may be a clue. Can someone post a shot of it? I am clueless about those technical things. (Obviously I can't even get the picture under my name to work.)

I know we all love Rose, but what if she is somehow in kahoots with Brian. She may not be the 'rock' we think she is. It's posts like these that really make me laugh. Sometimes I think people on here dig WAY too far.

[Kalak]

dduross44
Jin: Even though it was a dream of Hurley's, it could be foreshadowing that he knows English. When Ana told him to climb or his friend would be shot, Jin seemed to understand. Just a thought.

My guess is that Jin understood because of the way Ana pointed the gun at Michael.

r121567
coupled with the fact that we see black smoke rising from the ground

Judging from the last ep. of season 1, the black smoke is coming from braziers, not from volcanic activity...or at least, as far as we know.

kuerious
dly this season a female character is going to die. Sawyer told Ana Lucia, "Hit me again, and I will kill you," or something pretty close to that. Please, oh please, let her hit Sawyer again!

She has a 3 year contract for the show.

All in all it was a great episode - terrific character development, even in subtle measures.

What I don't understand is why so many people are convinced that the food makes you sick? Have we seen anything that would indicate that this was a possibility? Presumably, Desmond had been eating it and he seemed find (if not a bit anxious).

Geothermal activity - yup, a huge possibility given everything else. You know what else uses superheated steam to move turbines? Nuclear power. It certainly would explain the radiation possibility, but I wouldn't think we'd find a reactor burried there. Radioactive materials, maybe.

[Zelmo]

... and on the Oceanic Air web site, when you click on Rose's seat number, a nice gold ring floats across the screen.

[Mattie]

Ignore this if it's already been said.

Walt is on Hurley's milk carton:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8126/capture2jk.jpg

[ryesvikrd]

Kathy fan you have over 9000 posts and now you are doing what all the newbies are doing and just saying ignore this if it has been said, you are wasting bandwith just for starters and are filling up pages.

You are one of the people who tell newbies off and you are a hypocrite!!

HYPOCRITE!!!!


Anyway, can you do a screen cap of the cornflake box so we can see the dharma logo backwards.

[Staxawax]

The song being played in Hurley's dream and the song Rose is humming while on the beach doing laundry......... are they one and the same?

[ryesvikrd]

Yes they are.

[uhavemel]

^^tivo

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

[Mattie]

HYPOCRITE!!!!

Uh, no, I'm not starting NEW THREADS. Regardless of if I post inside this thread or not the people who want to view it will still be clicking inside and adding to the view count. If I started a new thread that's a duplicate then that creates unnecessary views and costs. Try to understand the board's pricing system a little before you explode, mmkay?

[DreaminLost]

It's posts like these that really make me laugh. Sometimes I think people on here dig WAY too far.
Well, Toxcity...
Glad I gave you a laugh, but I don't like to be insulted. We're all sharing ideas here. If you want to laugh, go ahead. Just do it quietly.

Besides, I really think the ring is a link--a clue. I don't think Rose is who we think she is.

[DreaminLost]

he acted like he'd never seen them before. He even asked her about them like he'd never heard of Apollo bars before.

But they were in his DREAM!
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Yes, but how often do we actually remember our dreams?
But if Hurley dreamed about eating an Apollo bar before he'd even discovered they were there, it was either a preminition of things to come or an alternate reality.

[Mattie]

The board's pricing system totals up the total VIEWS. That means; views per thread. My posting inside of a current thread (even if already discussed) doesn't add to the total of the board's views, because people will still click this thread regardless. It's an episode discussion thread. Had I started my OWN thread to post the picture of Walt, then it would have, because people would see it; click it; and it'd be a duplicate. And had I not posted that duplicate, those views wouldn't have been added; and the price not raised. Since it's in THIS thread it's irrelevent.

And no swearing please.

P.S. Does anyone know the two songs that play while Hurley is in the hatch? The one in the opening sequence when he's eating and then the other when he's doing the food inventory with Rose?

[Staxawax]

Isn't the one playing while doing the inventory "Up on the Roof"?

[pamsoup]

Yoda 55 is right. The summer posts about Ana-Lucia being a semi-famous actress were about the actual actress playing Ana-Lucia (Michelle Rodriquez. She was in Blue Crush. SWAT and Fast and the Furious).

[ryesvikrd]

she is not semi-famous, she is very famous!! she is huge right around the world, i can not belive that lost got her on the show so ican not imagine her staying around long.

[Zappadog]

New "upcoming" page on the lost website.

I don't know if this is considered a spoiler, but it'll warn anyway. POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW>>













Enter: the islandiswaiting

NOW before someone smacks me down, it's not the 2jacks, it's Zombie Walt, Zombie dog

[Seryne]

At the end of the episode when Sun is shown burrying the bottle with the messages in it. I felt bad that she probably thinks he's dead or something.

I could swear Sun's wedding ring disappeared while she was burying the bottle...it was clearly visible while she was digging the hole, but seemed absent as she finished filling it back in. Have not seen it mentioned yet...can anyone confirm? I believe something is said about her searching for her ring in the next episode...

[MadForSawyer]

First let me respectfully disagree - Michelle Rodriguez is semi-famous, not very famous. Nicole Kidman (or insert other A list actress here) is very famous...

A few thoughts:

1) Hurley's boss/Locke's boss. Isn't it entirely possible that Hurley having felt bad about the gnome incident (or for whatever reason) gave the guy a job at his box factory?

2) Someone mentioned earlier about Hurley's mom teasing him saying the phone ringing must be Jesus and then he won the lottery - he had already won. That is what made his mother come into the room where he was in the first place. Also, I don't think she was ridiculing him or anything like that. I am quite sarcastic myself and one way I show affection to those I care about is to give them a hard time. It's done out of love!

3)I will definitely have to agree with the idea of interconnected bunkers. Especially with the theory that "the incident" caused them to block the passages.

4) On the urine issue... yes urine is sterile, but all sterile means is that it hasn't touched air, not that it is safe for antiseptic use. Think about it - blood from a vein is sterile, would you clean a wound with it? Another thing - treating jellyfish stings, etc with urine has been shown to possibly make things worse. The idea that it works is just an old wives' tale. Urine is waste, people. It's things your body doesn't want, like snot and poop and eye boogers!

[AceOfDiamonds]

I *still* don't understand the whole "Locke is evil" sentiment among so many Lost viewers. This has been the third consecutive episode in which I've seen him make positive desicions with the intention of helping others. His obsession with the Hatch may ultimately be a bit misguided, and it's true that Locke has at times shown a knack for manipulating others...but who on the island hasn't sinned?

I espesically appreciated Locke's capability to be self-deprecating regarding his new "job" in the hatch. If he were really quite so obsessive about inputting the numbers, would he really be capable of joking to Charlie (or was it Hurley?) about the task quite feasibly being a waste of time? I also really appreciated Locke's attempt to reach out to Charlie, because I'm not a huge fan of Jack's desire to keep things a secret from the "common folk" back at the beach.

So: Am I the only one who thinks that Locke is totally sane, rational, and geniunely a decent person? Again, I suspect the number inputting crap is a hoax and Locke may very well be misguided about it, but inputting a short series of numbers every 108 minutes is a small price to pay in exchange for ensuring that there's not even a .000001% chance the world will be destroyed due to their inaction.

Locke's being more rational than Jack, here: the best thing to do in regard to the numbers and the computers is to continue inputting the sequence until enough research has been done to confirm or deny whether it's a pyschological experiment or something more important. In other words, rationalization would infer to err on the side of caution until evidence proves exactly what the numerical sequence is for. In this regard, both Sayid and Locke are reacting in a superior manner to the circumstances. Jack, on the other hand, strikes me as the one who's most pyschologically unstable on the island -- he can't seem to figure out quite what he believes, and his position as the de facto leader is beginning to take its toll.

[6toedjewel]

You're not the only one that thinks Locke is totally sane, etc. If it weren't for Locke I might not have gotten hooked on this show in the first place. So what, he doesn't always tell the exact truth - it is for the greater good. I love Hurley's character almost as much. They've both been accused of beng crazy but they seem to have more inner peace than the rest of the survivors, at least to me.

Locke has an outer locus of control with "the island". But his calmness comes across as an inner locus of control to me.

[lostincyberspace]

The magical appearing baby yellow squash and zucchini...at first they are NOT there and then....presto...BAM! ...right between the carrots and potatoes! What deeper meaning does this have?? and who would dream vegetables on their plate when one dips his steak in his mashed potatoes?

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/4371/steakpotatoes7gr.jpg

[MadForSawyer]

AceofDiamonds - I totally agree with you. Locke seems much more stable than Jack. It's funny, Jack didn't want to be the leader in the first place, but ever since he accepted it, he's been a big jerk and won't even try to listen to Locke's input! That's not a democracy Jack, that's a dictatorship!

[tony43221]

Kind of gross reading but this is fairly interesting. Nothing plot solving or mysterious, but mildly interesting after Hurley and Sawyers pee on it quotes.

Remember a major component of urine is urea. Urea is commonly recognized as an effective antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral agent. Its mechanism is simple. The presence of urea in the urine is the result of the body's chemical balancing of sodium chloride and water ratio. When used on a wound, urea causes an osmotic imbalance that kills bacteria and fungus. It is so effective it is used in many topical ointments and creams sold pharmaceutically, both prescription and over-the-counter. Urea is found in a broad range of medicines used to treat inflammation. It is a main ingredient in the medicine Herpigon, used to treat herpes infections.

taken from here:

www.heartlandhealing.com/...e_therapy/ (http://www.heartlandhealing.com/pages/archive/urine_therapy/)

Not bashing anyone who does believe in this kind of stuff, but it is from an alternative medicine site, something I personally don't give a whole lot of credence to.

[ccmerlot]

dly this season a female character is going to die. Sawyer told Ana Lucia, "Hit me again, and I will kill you," or something pretty close to that. Please, oh please, let her hit Sawyer again!

didn't that spoiler say: a well-loved female.....

and about Randy: i recall Hurley saying that the chicken joint where he worked burned down. Could Hurley have had something to do with that, and then hire Randy out of guilt? (Maybe H didn't physically light the match, but he feels guilty because of the perceived curse on the numbers.)
And about H: when do you suppose he got the nick-name? I can't recall in the first season whether anyone called him Hurley in his flashback, but certainly the Doctor didn't, nor his family. Now in this fb, all friends call him Hugo. I wonder when exactly did Hugo become Hurley (incidently, he does interchange the two names when he was talking to Rose in the hatch about his fears of being hated).

[entil2001]

Getting this review written wasn't as simple as it usually would be. I've been dealing with a record amount of rain over the past 48 hours, much of it finding its way into my basement. However, I managed to get some time this afternoon to summarize my thoughts. I did miss a couple things (was Hurley's boss later Locke's co-worker?!?!?), but I think I got the gist of it. I just ask for a little patience!

Here's my review for Lost 2.4: "Everybody Hates Hugo":

www.entil2001.com/series/...st2-4.html (http://www.entil2001.com/series/lost/season2/lost2-4.html)

Overall, this episode returns to the wide scope that dominated the first season, covering many plot threads and most of the characters, all while exploring Hurley’s fragile emotional state. The writers seem to be working out the best way to handle so many new plot and character elements, which keeps the episode grounded, but this is a good start to the meat of the second season.

[drewmcd24]

Here's another screen cap of the new dharma logo.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2092/dharmanew1ha.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[r121567]

Ha! See there is smoke coming from the GROUND......


http://www.geocities.com/r121567/normal_exoduspart2-0618.jpg

hence my thoughts at the end of season 1 that the island is volcanic.

Rumblings in the jungle, sulphur smell in the water, geothermal energy = volcano.

[Cliffordball]

I just rewatched ep 4 and this time I paid special attention to the TSS. There are 7 different TSS shown in episode 4. There are 5 shown dragging Sawyer, Mike and Jin to the pit and later there were 5 of them walking to their "hatch" with S, M and J. This leads me to believe there werre only 5 TSS involved on the attack on the beach. When they get to their "hatch" and Ana knocks (the door is definitely metal just like the swan hatch) Bernard answers the door so that brings us up to 6 TSS. Then they all go down into the hatch and you see a first person perspective from whomever is leading. They walk down the hall and come into a room with a light in the corner and a woman (man?) is sitting by the light. She gets up when they come in. I watched carefully and no other TSS are shown. So that makes 7 TSS. There were 23 (one of the numbers, we all know that) and if you have 7 left then 16 died (another of the dreaded numbers). Actually Libby never said they died either, at first when Mike asks her how many TSS there are she says 23. Later when he says "I thought you said there were 23 of you" she says "There were". I'm guessing they are still around but maybe they were "Captured" by the Others? Or maybe they got the sickness and turned into zombies or something (the legs of the others in the preview for next week looked like they might be zombie legs :) ). Who knows.

[MadForSawyer]

I'm pretty new here and have been posting a LOT today! Not that anyone cares... but I'm at work and all caught up, so what else am I to do? :) That said...

It's perfectly normal for a person's family to call them by their given name and their friends to call them by their nickname. That is certainly the case with my husband. Also, I have never had a doctor refer to me as anything other than my given name. I mean, that's what's on the chart!

[jncar]

For everyone wondering about there being fresh milk and steak dinners in the hatch:

IT WAS A DREAM!!! WEIRD S*** HAPPENS IN DREAMS!!!

Sorry. Little rant.

[Cliffordball]

This is a possible spoiler so dont look if you dont want to know :)







If you go to www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) and find the page for Lost you can see the guest appearance actors for each episode. Scroll down to the end and find the last episode of season 1 "Exodus". They list M.C. Gainey as "Bearded Man". Ok so he's the guy on the boat that took Walt. Now scroll down a little further to Season 2 Episode 5 "...And Found" and you will see M.C.Gainey is listed as "Kelvin"!!!!!!!!! Now that got me thinking, maybe Desmond was lying, maybe Kelvin didnt die, maybe he was on the boat kidnapping Walt when Locke blew the hatch and that why Desmond was alone. It would also explain how the food was being replenished and where Desmond was running to when he left (a dock somewhere that the boat can pick him up?). If Desmond and Kelvin were pushing the button then the danger must be real. But would they trust it to a bunch of people they dont know if that was the case?

[lordbuddah]

Anyone want to give a quick synopsis of the preview for next week's show that was seen in States? Like james_w_morrison posted above, I'm from Canada and that's the one I saw.

edited to add a preview spoiler warning....
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Sawyer says "Gotta question for you. Are you married?" to AL.
AL says "No, what about you."
Sawyer is drinking from a canteen. seems like the 2 of them are flirting.

Flash to Michael running in the Jungle (he is running in his ORIGINAL clothes from the first season when they crashed) then it shows him running in his present day clothes ( red shirt)

AL tells Jin and Sawyer that their buddy ran into the jungle.

The big black dude tells the guys (Sawyer and Jin) they have no idea what 'these people' are capable of. Camera flashes to a dead mummified type body speared/impaled.

Camera flashes to Sun talking to Kate. She says "im sick of everyone saying he's alright..." presumably talking about Jin.

Camera flashes to the big black dude holding his finger over his mouth in a shhh! position. Jin and the black dude are crouched in the bushes at this point and see someone walking by. Slow. Methodical.

Camera flashes back to Sun finishing her sentance "...he's not alright"

Then we see what appears to be 2 figures walking through the woods. We hear Sawyer say..."The others"

The second figure moving has a teddy bear with them as they walk. As if they took it from someone or something.

[NokomisIsABadRobot]

Look back now at all the posts on Jin speaks English and have a laugh.

I still think it's possible Jin speaks English.

another great Sawyer line "Why don't you pee on it?" to Jin
Jin looked to me like he understood him. He also had no problem understanding that he was the first to go up the rope, and to stop when Sawyer had his fit, and to go again when Ana threatened them with the gun. Jin's guard is slipping..his facial expressions are giving him away.

Shannon has seen Walt in a vision, Hurley has seen Jin in a dream...will someone else "see" Michael and Sawyer?
Yes, can Claire please have a dream about Sawyer being buck nekkid running through the jungle? Pretty please?
Charlie: Loved the comments about The Management (Jack, Kate, et al) and the hatch. I think TPTB read our questions here and used them as lines for Charlie.
Charlie is getting just as many funny one-liners as Sawyer! Plus he delivers them with his wittle accent to make it even more wonderful. Charlie is also underused!

Also funny as hell was Hurley's Mama. Can we get her on recuring contract status? ''Maybe it's Jesus calling right now!''
''Falling down is not an exercise!''

It PISSED me off that Hurley had to explain his decision to tell Rose about the hatch to friggen Jack! Jack does NOT own the damn island! Thank you Locke for being honest and answering Charlie's questions. But had I been Charlie, I wouldn't have just gone back to the beach to stew at Hurley after finding out. My ass would have been there!!

Who is Libby??

For those who thought the "why don't you pee on it?" Line was gross, it was also actually a good idea.

Urine is sterile, and can kill some bacteria.

I've been told if you pee on a washcloth and wash your face with it, it clears up severe acne. Thank God all I ever needed was Noxzema.

It seems that Kate has been on the run for something that we are being led to belive wasnt her fault. What if she was accused of say killing someone, and Ana is the real culprit?
That would set it up for some serious drama. Or...
what if Ana and Shaft are part of the same drug smuggling ring that the Nigerian plane is? Sure they might have left Australia on this flight 815 plane, but it could have been to track down the missing Heroin. She appears more paramilitary (without feelings) than military(aid and comfort) to me.

I still think the mural is a map to the island. The houses are the hatches. I also immediately thought of the mural when I saw the arrow in the new hatch symbol. Isn't there i huge arrow in the mural as well?

Maybe Kelvin was expecting a food shipment. He was probably outside getting it (from the beach?) when he came across Desmond and immediately told him to some with him to the hatch. He was probably duped in the same way and thats why he didn't tell Des anything about the hatch until he got him there.


I hope Shannon is the one who gets axed this season! Waste of space.......

from next weeks previews...............







Why hasn't anyone mentioned the teddy bear? In the scenes when Jin and Echo are hiding watching the 'others' walk by, someone is swinging a brown teddy bear in their arm. My 'out there' theory is that Danielle brought along some toys for her new baby and when they took Alex, her teddy was wrapped up with her. Someday when Danielle is reunited with Alex...it will be through this teddy.

[HortenseHysteria]

The guy in the chickensuit was the worker from the convenience store.

(I'm sure someone answered this already but I went through pages of that question)

[Kalak]

ryesvikrd:

she is not semi-famous, she is very famous!! she is huge right around the world, i can not belive that lost got her on the show so ican not imagine her staying around long.

Eh. She's been in a handful of crappy movies. In any case she has a three-year contract so she's obviously out of Fast and Furious 3.

MadForSawyer

First let me respectfully disagree - Michelle Rodriguez is semi-famous, not very famous. Nicole Kidman (or insert other A list actress here) is very famous...

Hahaha! Too funny because my original reply said the same thing, even using Nicole Kidman as the example.

Anyway...

The Captain/Kelvin thing is interesting. Looking at screenshots, the blonde women from the Dharma video is the very same as the woman from the boat. Is the captain the same as the bearded fellow? Is he Kelvin? Hmmm....