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Okay, this might be a bit reaching... but do you really think boone just casually glanced over and saw someone having a rough time of it in the water, then swam out there without yelling anything at the others? I don't know...seems fishy to me, and why didn't anyone besides jack go jumping in?? Like maybe Michael...hmmm, maybe it's just me... :o
psychobunny1
10-21-04, 05:41 AM
Boone seems to want to take a leadership role, but he kinda sucks at it. But he tried to be the hero, but failed... just like he tried to take control of the water but he didn't tell anyone because he wanted to be the hero in the end. I am sure we will find later this is all a result of his horrible relationship with his dad, or something :\
As for the swimming, Boone saw it tried to be the savior, then Charlie saw someone drowning, so Jack went to save the person. Everyone on shore saw Jack come back with a person, they did not know about the woman, you could not see her from the shore line.
Maybe he felt he could bring her back without having to bother anyone else about it...he didn't intend to get caught in the rip tide anyway.
They all knew about the woman, but Jack had decided to take Boone back before going back out for her.
maxpublic
10-21-04, 05:17 PM
Maybe he felt he could bring her back without having to bother anyone else about it...
Somehow I doubt that most adults in an emergency life-or-death situation would worry much about "bothering someone else" about the situation. Most adults, I think, would've jumped up and down screaming "hey! somebody's drowning out there!", grabbed a couple of people, and jumped in for a team rescue.
Max
So with his self-imposed leadership role, and with what Sawyer said to him (about being the one that everyone hates now)... do you think boone is going to perhaps cause some trouble or danger to the others by trying to prove himself? Kinda like he did with taking the water... it seems that this boy has had the role of "hero" before (his sister keeps making reference to), and maybe he'll take actions without regard to endangering himself or others just to follow suit... :\ actually, I don't think he'd knowingly put others in danger... but himself yes... and i think i've rambled enough...
"Most adults, I think, would've jumped up and down screaming "hey! somebody's drowning out there!", grabbed a couple of people, and jumped in for a team rescue.
I totally agree...but maybe that's boone's hero "I must do this alone!" reflexes coming into play.... :D
"Most adults, I think, would've jumped up and down screaming "hey! somebody's drowning out there!", grabbed a couple of people, and jumped in for a team rescue.
Yes, they were quite the rescue team when Jack swam out later on.... haha, I'm only joking. But really, one person is drowning. He is a lifeguard (or so he says). Only one lifeguard is usually needed for a normal water rescue, I'm sure he thought he would have it taken care of before anyone else woke up.
Hmm, I think after these events and Sawyer's comment, it would do the opposite and kind of tame him down for awhile rather than making him continue to try proving himself. But that's just my speculation.
I think after these events and Sawyer's comment, it would do the opposite and kind of tame him down for awhile rather than making him continue to try proving himself.
Perhaps true, he does have a good head on his shoulders ;) , (teehee) he'll probably do the right thing, and not... do anything. It would help to stop slappin' my head in shock and shame every time he has one of his brilliant ideas... *rubs chaffed forehead*
disclaimer: No Boones were hurt in the production of this post. :p
Mithril379
10-23-04, 07:06 AM
I was a beach lifeguard for years. Standard policy is that at least two guards go in after the victim. This not only helps you get them back to shore faster (especially if they're conscious), but victims can get extremely violent, trying to climb you and cling all over you. They are panicking, and you can't always talk them into a calmer state.
I find it very hard to believe that even a rookie guard wouldn't shout to others that he was going after someone.
I also find it odd that Boone clearly can't recognize a rip tide when he sees one. Maybe he worked pools, or got certified but never worked as a guard. A rip tide is pretty distinctive.
I doubt he was a beach lifeguard. What's more probable, he was a lifeguard at daddy's country club and probably didn't do much of it, even when there.
Didn't he say he runs a business? I'm guessing it's not lifeguarding. Maybe he USED to be a lifeguard in college or something and still calls himself one. Hard to really tell.
Daddy's country club...haha, I can so imagine that.
seraphism
10-24-04, 09:56 PM
i must say that boone definetly appears to be of the "poolside" lifeguard variety, it's pretty obvious he's never had to resucitate someone before and his inability to perform the rescue is definately a negative towards him having "real" lifeguard experience. Having said that there was a little something in the "lost" diary about it being odd that Joanne died out there as she was very experienced so perhaps boone ran into trouble because of some unseen force (island at work) rather than his inability. Perhaps the women was simply meant to die, after all she was an experienced swimmer and even though two people went in to save her she still died.
Never been in a riptide but even an experienced swimmer can get caught in one and not be able to get out of it, right?
If no one was around when Boone first saw the woman then he wasn't going to go out of the way to tell someone. He obviously thought he had it handled. He couldn't even bring himself to admit that, yes Jack DID need to save him!
I have replayed the beginning of Episode 5, the drowning scene, a couple of times and I'm wondering whether we are giving Boone a bum rap here.
Maybe Boone, like the woman, was already in the water swimming. Then, like Jack a little later, he hears the woman cry out.
In this case, Boone would already be in the water. It would make no sense for him to swim back to shore, yell that a woman is drowning, then dive back in and go to rescue her.
So the issue of trying to be a "big man" or a "hero" would be a false, non-existent issue.
Charlie, when alerting Jack, only told him what anyone from shore would have seen: someone is in trouble. Her cries could be heard, her arms flailing could be seen.
Charlie, like everyone else, views Jack as the leader, the man to go to. He didn't tell him that someone else, Boone, was already going to the rescue because Boone, if my theory is right, didn't make a mad dash into the water to save this woman.
I think Boone was not noticed or mentioned by Charlie because he had already been in the water for just his own innocent swim and not because he was trying to "play hero".
I'm also thinking that Joanna could have gotten a cramp or been bitten by a shark and that it was not the rip tide that was the main, primary cause of her distress -- an experienced diver could have handled a rip tide with no problem.
But the rip tide was a problem for Boone, I think, when his instinct to help overcame his caution of swimming into a rip tide.
I then think he berated Jack for saving him, and thus losing the woman because this would make him look like "less of a man" in everyone else's eyes.
Jack's retort "Neither did you" to Boone about saving the woman would have cut to the bone, both because Boone had told Jack before that he was a lifeguard and because he had failed once before in using the wrong artificial respiration to revive Rose.
Both times, Jack bested him. Boone is bound to be resentful at having his inadequacies exposed.
It's really hard to tell if Boone was already in the water or not BUT I think people aren't cutting the kid enough slack. If you're a lifeguard and you've been trained to save a life, as we can assume he has been, then I would think that upon seeing someone out in the water flailing about would cause instinct to take over. Maybe over common sense, especially not being used to their situation still. Just imagine you're a trained lifeguard and you see this. What would be your first instinct? Mine would be to get off my ass and get out there as fast as humanly possible. Every second you falter is a second that woman is out there drowning.
Just food for thought.
That's very true also...even yelling out to people for help or to let them know that there was someone out there would be wasting time.
Mithril379
10-26-04, 04:16 AM
A trained lifeguard (well, properly trained one LOL) would defintely yell out. There were people on the beach, no time wasted yelling as you go in. You just don't do a rescue like that alone if you can help it, and you want others to know you are going in to keep an eye on it at least (no "call 911" on the island) and help you pull the person out at the end.
As for a rip tide, an adequate swimmer should try to swim parallel to the beach, a good swimmer should go at a 45 degree angle (they'll wind up further off shore). A non swimmer should just do their best not to panic, and don't fight the rip. It'll drop you eventually and you'll need energy to stay afloat once that happens.
Well if a swimmer went back to the beach, what happens to the person originally drowning in the first place? Just leave them there to get killed? The reason he went in by himself in the first place was to help her...you saw how disappointed he was that Jack didn't go back and get her, I think he wouldn't forgive himself if he went back to the beach after the rip tide.
Mithril379
10-27-04, 03:51 AM
If Boone were already in the water and saw Joanna drowning, he could actually let the rip take him out to her, then swim her back in. If he were in the water there would be no point in getting out and going back in.
I think he was a pool guard, if he ever worked as one at all. Lots of people get certified but never work as lifeguards.
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