Danielle, a Dharma agent?

[philosopher]

I don't know if this has been discussed before (there is a thread about Danielle being an Other but this is quite different), but after last night's episode I have a feeling that Danielle is not who she claims she is (I'm sure you all knew that by now).
What made me believe this was her eagerness to shoot Bakunin. Second she seems to have been on the island for a very long time and she apparently doesn't have a very good relationship with the Others. She doesn't seem to trust the Losties either, which is really strange IMO, because if you have been living on an island all alone for so long, the most logical thing to do when you encounter friendly people who landed on the island by accident just like you did, would be to join them. Unless of course you're crazy, which I'm pretty sure is not the case with Danielle.
Third, Alex still has the name her mother gave her, so I think it is possible that she was only taken from her a few years ago.

If Danielle is a Dharma operative, that still wouldn't explain her conversation with Hurley about the cursed numbers and how her ship landed there, but I think it's something to consider.

[Brian]

She's a former other. I'd almost be willing to put money on there being a mark on her back to match Juliet's. I've gone back and looked at every scene she's been in since S1 and they've never shown her back and I think that's on purpose. She wants Mikhail dead so he won't turn on her and give her up to Sayid.

I think that she and Ben used to be a couple, possibly married, and something went wrong. Her whole story is a cover just like Goodwin, Ethan, and Ben. Hell, even Mikhail himself was using a cover story when he shot Sayid. These people are good at lying.
(Just thought I'd throw that out there in the very off chance part of it is true later. :D)

[Without Dane]

I think she may be really be a scientist who came to the island with a crew to study "time"... but she was really a Dharma scientist. She made up her whole story so that the Others won't finish the purge and kill her off, too. Because, after all, if you "stay behind the line" they will leave you alone.

[Hodgepodge]

Philosopher, there's definitely something wrong there. The way she bailed on the posse to rescue Jack was mysterious. Maybe she recognized Ms. Klugh's horse and knew she was going to be outed.

Another thing! The Flame is the second hatch she's never seen. Come on! You've been stranded on an island for 16+ years and you don't know every knook-and-cranny? You say your week-old baby was kidnapped by the "Others". And you still want us to believe you've never seen the Flame. Maybe Alex cried a lot as a baby. Because I don't believe she wants her back.

[Brian]

One thing I noticed is that Klugh had to order Mikhail to shoot her. Danielle is higher up the chain of command, or was, so she probably outranks/(ed) Klugh so there's no way Mikhail is going to out her easily. My guess is that he takes the first opportunity to take a long walk off a short cliff to protect Danielle thereby keeping her cover story intact.

[Hodgepodge]

One thing I noticed is that Klugh had to order Mikhail to shoot her. Danielle is higher up the chain of command, or was, so she probably outranks/(ed) Klugh so there's no way Mikhail is going to out her easily. My guess is that he takes the first opportunity to take a long walk off a short cliff to protect Danielle thereby keeping her cover story intact.So you think Danielle is a part of Mikhail and Klugh's group whoever they may be? We need a program to know the teams and players on those teams! :confused:

[Brian]

So you think Danielle is a part of Mikhail and Klugh's group whoever they may be?

Absolutely. I think she (Danielle) may have actually been married, or romantically linked anyway, to Ben and that union produced Alex. Somewhere along the line something happened (the possibilities are too many to list ;)) that caused her to be marked (like Juliet) and sent into exile. I think Ben kept Alex because that was better than a child running around the island with a crazy mother. I believe their prior relationship is what Ben used to his advantage to get himself "in" with our 815s. All he had to do was promise Danielle that she could see Alex, or possibly be un-exiled (I don't know if that's a word), and all she had to do was pretend she caught him in a net. Not to mention he'd pretend to run and she could shoot him in the shoulder, just for effect as well as a way to make sure he had contact with Jack whom we all know he needed because of the spinal tumor.

It's a setup and she's in on it. I predict that at some point in the future we'll find out that Danielle also has the "mark of the bunny (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1368935&postcount=5)". If so, it'll go a long way toward confirming this. At this point, I don't know anyone who still buys into Danielle's original story.

Disclaimer : Now that I've said it, it'll never happen that way. ;)

[philosopher]

Absolutely. I think she (Danielle) may have actually been married, or romantically linked anyway, to Ben and that union produced Alex. Somewhere along the line something happened (the possibilities are too many to list ;)) that caused her to be marked (like Juliet) and sent into exile. I think Ben kept Alex because that was better than a child running around the island with a crazy mother. I believe their prior relationship is what Ben used to his advantage to get himself "in" with our 815s. All he had to do was promise Danielle that she could see Alex, or possibly be un-exiled (I don't know if that's a word), and all she had to do was pretend she caught him in a net. Not to mention he'd pretend to run and she could shoot him in the shoulder, just for effect as well as a way to make sure he had contact with Jack whom we all know he needed because of the spinal tumor.

It's a setup and she's in on it. I predict that at some point in the future we'll find out that Danielle also has the "mark of the bunny (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1368935&postcount=5)". If so, it'll go a long way toward confirming this. At this point, I don't know anyone who still buys into Danielle's original story.

Disclaimer : Now that I've said it, it'll never happen that way. ;)



That's an interesting theory and you might be correct,but if Alex is Ben's daughter, why does she keep calling him Ben?

[Brian]

That's an interesting theory and you might be correct,but if Alex is Ben's daughter, why does she keep calling him Ben?

Hmm.....

In Not In Portland (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30382&highlight=Alex) she refers to him as "my dad".

ALDO: Whoa! Whoa! Just stop! Alex, you're not supposed to be here. If your dad finds out, he's going to kill me.

ALEX: My dad was the one who told me to bring them here -- to you. Look, maybe you should call him. I'm sure he's got nothing better to do.

In Stranger In A Strange Land (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31116&highlight=Alex) she does refer to him as "Ben"....twice.

ALEX: I want to ask you something. They're not watching anymore so you can tell me the truth.

JACK: Okay.

ALEX: Ben -- why'd you save his life? All this time -- after all he did to you and your people you should hate him. But you still fixed him up, even after your friends got away. Why?

and

ISABEL: Let him go, Tom. What's going on, Alex?

ALEX [handing over a note]: This is from Ben.

I don't have an explanation for why she would refer to him as "my dad" in one instance and "Ben" in another. I looked through all of the transcripts for any time Alex was talking about Ben and those are the only ones I could find. One noticeable difference is that when she refers to him as "my dad" she's talking to Aldo, an other. In the other instance, she's talking to Jack, and 815er. Perhaps she only refers to him as her father when she's around the "others".

I think that whatever was between Rousseau and Ben was a long time ago, long enough ago that Alex probably doesn't remember any of it. Of course, if Danielle's "story" isn't a lie, then the only parent that Alex would know would be Ben.

Perhaps her calling him Ben is an act of rebellion or defiance. Maybe it's a way to gain the 815s confidence....distancing herself from Ben when she's talking about him. "My dad" has a more personal connotation than "Ben".

[Shortcake]

I am thinking more and more that Danielle is an Other outcast. And I also think that much like Juliette is marked and outcast but still being used, Danielle has the same kind of long standing alliance.

I have been rewatching seasons one and two again for the umpteenth time, and I think that Danielle pulled quite a con at the end of season two.

Perhaps that whole- the others are coming we must get off the beach crap was to help the others take Walt without detection. A way to get people off the beach while there would be flares and search lights and gun fire out on the ocean. She puts everyone in to chaos about "the boy", then acts like she made a mistake. I think she purposely had them in a tizzy about Aaron, knowing Walt was "the boy" all along.

I really want to see her flashback.

Also- I have friends who call their parents by the first name... I find it weird, but it definately happens

[Hodgepodge]

I am thinking more and more that Danielle is an Other outcast. And I also think that much like Juliette is marked and outcast but still being used, Danielle has the same kind of long standing alliance.

I have been rewatching seasons one and two again for the umpteenth time, and I think that Danielle pulled quite a con at the end of season two.

Perhaps that whole- the others are coming we must get off the beach crap was to help the others take Walt without detection. A way to get people off the beach while there would be flares and search lights and gun fire out on the ocean. She puts everyone in to chaos about "the boy", then acts like she made a mistake. I think she purposely had them in a tizzy about Aaron, knowing Walt was "the boy" all along.

I really want to see her flashback.

Also- I have friends who call their parents by the first name... I find it weird, but it definately happensYou maybe proven right Shortcake in the near or distant future. But I agree with some of your assumptions.

As I've mentioned, Danielle has ducked and dodged a lot of questions since her first encounter with Sayid. Although, I think a lot of that has to do with TPTB.

Maybe I'm a pushover, but her tears at the "Others" so-called beach fire touched me. I honestly feel she heard whispers and assumed they were coming for Aaron, but actually it was Walt they wanted.

But the idea she was a part of the "Others" is still hard for me to swallow. She speaks so fondly of the man she loved, Robert. I've always assumed he was Alex's father. And lets not forget, according to her, she arrived on the island 7 months pregnant. But I will concede to the idea she may've been sent to the island by Dharma/Widmore/Mittlelos to check on the goings on.

[Radio Mogul]

Rousseau is really Howard Stern in disguise
http://www.nndb.com/people/430/000022364/hostern.jpghttp://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/lost_danielle_mira_furlan_1.jpg

[Hodgepodge]

:rotfl:

[shootingstar05]

I'm late to get on board with this! It just occurred to me today that Danielle could be a Dharma agent.
My idea was based on spoilers that will be revealed after tonight though, so I'll have to continue with my idea tomorrow.
The possibility that she is pulling a con on the losties crossed my mind too, but I really feel that The Others did steal Alex from her.

[Hodgepodge]

I'm late to get on board with this! It just occurred to me today that Danielle could be a Dharma agent.
My idea was based on spoilers that will be revealed after tonight though, so I'll have to continue with my idea tomorrow.
The possibility that she is pulling a con on the losties crossed my mind too, but I really feel that The Others did steal Alex from her.I'll be looking forward Shootingstar05! :)

[philosopher]

More evidence to support my theory. She said in her message that we heard in the very first episode:
I'm alone now, on the island alone. Please someone come. The others, they're, they're dead. It killed them. It killed them all.

We saw that all the members of the DHARMA Initiative were killed. Danielle might have been one of those who either managed to escape or made a deal with the Hostiles.
If Naomi was sent by the DI after Locke entered 77 in the computer, it will be interesting to see what Danielle will do.

[Hodgepodge]

More evidence to support my theory. She said in her message that we heard in the very first episode:
I'm alone now, on the island alone. Please someone come. The others, they're, they're dead. It killed them. It killed them all.

We saw that all the members of the DHARMA Initiative were killed. Danielle might have been one of those who either managed to escape or made a deal with the Hostiles.
If Naomi was sent by the DI after Locke entered 77 in the computer, it will be interesting to see what Danielle will do.
Looking again at her distress call, and what we've learned this season, you maybe right Philosopher. Although, I'm really interested in why she wanted this last dynamite? :scared:

[Farmer Ted]

http://www.nndb.com/people/430/000022364/hostern.jpghttp://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/lost_danielle_mira_furlan_1.jpg

Now that is scary! I think I'd go with the one on the left, to be honest.

[Celtic Ceilidh]

I'm not sure Danielle is a former Dharma, but something is "off" about her. Remember when she captured Sayid a kept asking about Alex? When she captured Ben she just gave him over to the Losties, saying that he was an "Other". No interrigation, no asking them if Ben was one of the plane crash survivors. For supposedly being driven to get her daughter back for 16 years, she doesn't seem like she is that concerned with her now. I'm looking forward to see what Danielle will do in the finale. I wonder whose side she will be on even though she seems to be helping Jack.

[Hodgepodge]

I'm not sure Danielle is a former Dharma, but something is "off" about her. Remember when she captured Sayid a kept asking about Alex? When she captured Ben she just gave him over to the Losties, saying that he was an "Other". No interrigation, no asking them if Ben was one of the plane crash survivors. For supposedly being driven to get her daughter back for 16 years, she doesn't seem like she is that concerned with her now. I'm looking forward to see what Danielle will do in the finale. I wonder whose side she will be on even though she seems to be helping Jack.You know CC, I'd forgotten about that scene from Solitary. I'm wondering if she probed Ben with that same question while he was caught in the net. Although, she did say he would lie when she got Sayid.

I've said it in numerous threads, the confrontation between Ben, Danielle, and Alex is going to be great. That's when the you know what hits the fan. I'll be watching! :popcorn:

[Razzle Freakin' Dazzle]

A dhama agent? Interesting theory, but that is ridiculous. :dunce: I think keeping Danielle on the show long and after having a full season about the others, I really think if she is lying, it isn't about being dharma or the others, it would be that she has some relation to these freighter people. :bunny: