Desmond, Charlie, Claire, and the Birds..what gives?

[ccmerlot]

K: Dez is trying to save Charlie.
Dez scares off birds being trapped by CLaire (and Jin and Sun)
Later we learn that Dez had a vision of Charlie, while trying to catch a bird for Claire, falling to his eventual death in a pounding sea.
But: if Claire caught her own bird, Charlie (with turniphead at the time) would have no need to catch a bird for claire and so would not meet his death.
Why did Dez thwart Claire's efforts?
(and then go directly to catch a bird for Claire after, presumably, talking charlie out of doing just that?)

[truffula]

I'm gonna rename this thread so it gets better attention. :)

[Frecklestoo]

K: Dez is trying to save Charlie.
Dez scares off birds being trapped by CLaire (and Jin and Sun)
Later we learn that Dez had a vision of Charlie, while trying to catch a bird for Claire, falling to his eventual death in a pounding sea.
But: if Claire caught her own bird, Charlie (with turniphead at the time) would have no need to catch a bird for claire and so would not meet his death.
Why did Dez thwart Claire's efforts?
(and then go directly to catch a bird for Claire after, presumably, talking charlie out of doing just that?)
Maybe he had a vision of Claire having a problem with her net, resulting in her not catching the bird, going back to camp upset at failing, and then Charlie going to catch a bird for her.:rolleyez: It seems far-fetched, but this IS Lost.

[LPU]

Either he saw multiple ways that Charlie may die or he's a Scottish you know what blocker.

[LostInWilderness]

When Des first shot, he was probably just trying to convince Claire to give it up. That would save Charlie, and it worked. But Des thought capturing the bird was a good idea, so he caught the bird himself.

[boonian androphile]

It was a mercy capture of the bird. So that Claire would stop bitching at Charlie for being a pawn of the island gods.

Claire just decided to follow because she knew that this might be one of her last opportunities to have any decent speaking lines.
:soapbox:

[klh]

I'd be surprised if this hasn't been mentioned before, but - it occurred to me that Desmond might be lying for some reason, and it actually is Claire he's been trying to save.

[ccmerlot]

When Des first shot, he was probably just trying to convince Claire to give it up. That would save Charlie, and it worked. But Des thought capturing the bird was a good idea, so he caught the bird himself.
Yeah, but her not succeeding was what got Charlie up and arguing with Dez, who then went off to fetch a bird. If she had just caught the bird (which it looked likely that she would do, except for Dez's gun shots) then Charlie would have been on the beach saying oh yeah look you were right......

[LostInWilderness]

Yeah, but her not succeeding was what got Charlie up and arguing with Dez, who then went off to fetch a bird. If she had just caught the bird (which it looked likely that she would do, except for Dez's gun shots) then Charlie would have been on the beach saying oh yeah look you were right......

If you believe Dez, and he saw that Charlie would die later as Claire still chased birds. Your contention that Claire would have succeeded contradicts Desmond's story.

[DesmondSaysBrutha]

Im gonna go with Des was actually hunting, and not trying to "thwart" claire sun and jin when they set up the net...

He came to Charlie when he and Claire were about to have a picnic on the beach. And if you notice there are rocks right there on the beach where the picnic was supposed to be. I think Desmond had the vision of Charlie drowning against the rocks and then later on realized that he was not going to die during the picnic but trying to get a seabird for Claire.

So during that inbetween time he went hunting as planned, coincidentally right next to Claire trying to catch a seabird. Then she gets all p***off at him and blames not only him but Charlie as well.

We don't actually see Desmond when Claire goes to yell at him but maybe he saw the fight. Maybe he had the vision again later on in the day, which would tell him that he hadn't yet saved Charlie from the rocky death.

[LandPirate]

K: Dez is trying to save Charlie.
Dez scares off birds being trapped by CLaire (and Jin and Sun)
Later we learn that Dez had a vision of Charlie, while trying to catch a bird for Claire, falling to his eventual death in a pounding sea.
But: if Claire caught her own bird, Charlie (with turniphead at the time) would have no need to catch a bird for claire and so would not meet his death.
Why did Dez thwart Claire's efforts?
(and then go directly to catch a bird for Claire after, presumably, talking charlie out of doing just that?)
I guess I am the one of the few that agree with you.:) If there are going to be mulitple ways Charlie is going to die every other episode, then just accept it already. Or, hey, here's an idea, just tell Charlie at the beginning of the day all the possible ways he is going to die that day, and be specific about it, so he can avoid 'climbing up on that slippery, whale shaped rock on the east shore", etc...

Claire and Sunjin put in hours of work building that net and setting the bait. Why give up after one disappointment? If necessary move the net.
.

[Homer Noodleman]

Dez is beginning to come across looking like a drooling idiot.

[RangerMel]

Claire and Sunjin put in hours of work building that net and setting the bait. Why give up after one disappointment? If necessary move the net.
.

Right. Have you ever been around seagulls? Those darn things would have been back under that net in five minutes, if food was involved.
:book:

[Falco]

I'd be surprised if this hasn't been mentioned before, but - it occurred to me that Desmond might be lying for some reason, and it actually is Claire he's been trying to save.

I'm with you, every time it has seemed like Claire is in way more danger than Charlie. It seems like he is lying about who he is trying to save, but not sure why.

[Hodgepodge]

There's a thread (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32007) discussing Claire's note and the fact/idea Charlie plamed the note. Do you think that has any bearing on this idea?

[LostInWilderness]

Dez is beginning to come across looking like a drooling idiot.
I think that's inevitable. The unique circumstances surrounded Dez made him cool in a small role for a short time, but they also painted him into a corner.

[XxForever LostxX]

K: Dez is trying to save Charlie.
Dez scares off birds being trapped by CLaire (and Jin and Sun)
Later we learn that Dez had a vision of Charlie, while trying to catch a bird for Claire, falling to his eventual death in a pounding sea.
But: if Claire caught her own bird, Charlie (with turniphead at the time) would have no need to catch a bird for claire and so would not meet his death.
Why did Dez thwart Claire's efforts?
(and then go directly to catch a bird for Claire after, presumably, talking charlie out of doing just that?)


I thought that maybe when Claire said she was going to try and catch a bird, Charlie would try to catch one FOR her to impress her.

[ISLANDLEA]

Dez is beginning to come across looking like a drooling idiot.

hi, what else is new ? I've been saying that for about a year now.
besides taking off and leaving a gorgeous, very rich lady behind, so he can play sailboat... staying down in a hatch pushing buttons for several years, like a complete moron... he's so far the only person to crash into craphole island twice...lea

edit- and members acuse Locke of being dopey ????

[ScRuffY_DiMpLeS]

Or, hey, here's an idea, just tell Charlie at the beginning of the day all the possible ways he is going to die that day, and be specific about it, so he can avoid 'climbing up on that slippery, whale shaped rock on the east shore", etc...



best idea.
cuz i agree dez is starting to look like a goofball following charlie around all the time, tryin to save him from making all the wrong moves.

all of desmond's movements, hell, pretty much his entire life at this point, is totally limited & controlled by whatever charlie may be up to at any given time.
he was better off in the hatch punching in the numbers. at least he had 108 minutes to himself.

[TheHammerOfGod]

Wow, you guy's are messed up. Desmond looks like an idiot for saving Charlie repeadetly? The only foolish thing Des does is put up with Charlie's constant bitching instead of popping him in the face or letting him die.

[Ida Monster]

I'm with you, every time it has seemed like Claire is in way more danger than Charlie. It seems like he is lying about who he is trying to save, but not sure why.

This is a good possibility. Perhaps it's Charlie who causes Claire's death everytime and Des is just trying to get him away from her without appearing as though he (Des) has ulterior motives. Charlie would either think he was daft, or trying to move in on his romantic territory with Claire.