How did Locke get the C4?

[zeekman]

How in the heck did John get the C4? He never went down into the basement before it blew. That means he had to get down there BEFORE he pressed the button or he was given the C4 by someone.

Did I miss something?

[Badger]

We don't know that he didn't go in the basement as there was a period of time neither we nor anyone else was with him. Watch again.

Secondly, it's an assumption that entering "7-7" resulted in the self-destruct (although it's likely). Locke may have command detonated the remaining C4 himself and the computer did nothing (not as likely).

I prefer to think in terms of probability and assume nothing.

[zeekman]

We don't know that he didn't go in the basement as there was a period of time neither we nor anyone else was with him

I watched it again and it was a VERY short period of time. So what you are saying is Locke pressed the button and THEN went into the basement? I do not think he could have disabled a live c4 charge in mere seconds.


Locke may have command detonated the remaining C4 himself and the computer did nothing

If you think Locke went into the basement, then this has to be the only possibility. I don't think he went down there for a leisurely stroll. Plus, did he even know there was a basement?

[allcentury]

i think the video went beyond '7-7' i bet it initiated a countdown sequence, john first terminated it. realized the place would blow and then reinitiated it.

john has a terrible past and as much as he THINKS he should be on the island, it is actually jack the island wants. it will be a hard truth for him to face

[volney]

I erased my tape of last week, but I wondered when he looked up at the security camera, if he saw a bundle of C4 up there and removed it then. It would make sense that the computer room might also be wired into the destruct mechanism.

I could see a scenario where he removed the C4 in the computer room, didn't see any in the living quarters, and so felt safe to enter 77 thinking all it would be was a distress signal.

-- volney

[caldric]

I don't recall the timeline... Perhaps after the encounter outside where Ms. Klugh was shot, Locke returned to the house, saw the basement - and the C4, took a pack of C4, inferred what "entering 77" would do, and did so?

[lostchild]

Didn't we see Kate dismantle a C4 charge and take it with her?
Could Locke have taken the C4 from Kate?

[carol2661]

Didn't we see Kate dismantle a C4 charge and take it with her?
Could Locke have taken the C4 from Kate?

Kate saw the C4 in the basement (hatch), but I don't remember seeing her go anywhere near it.

[lostchild]

I remember seeing someone holding a C4 charge and taking out the det's.

[flhrci]

Based on next weeks preview Locke confronts Ben, so I don't think Locke is one of them.

[interplanetjanet]

I remember seeing someone holding a C4 charge and taking out the det's.

It wasn't on this show.

Hours pass between subduing Patchy post-Klugh (broad daylight) and exploding the hatch (full dark, as is required for all explosions).

I think Volney's security idea makes the most sense, though.

[Gaffer Hexam]

Who's to say there wasn't C-4 in the little computer room Locke spent so much time in?

[Gaffer Hexam]

The first time we see Locke coming out of the computer room in "Enter 77", he's holding something in his hand (other than the rifle or gun). Screen shot anyone?

[Gaffer Hexam]

It's right after or before this one.

http://www.losttv-forum.com/captures/files/8/7/7/9/311_0724_original.jpg

[Ida Monster]

This photo shows exactly how Locke detonated the C4:
http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/830locke-bird.jpg

[Gaffer Hexam]

This photo shows exactly how Locke detonated the C4:
http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/830locke-bird.jpg

Did Cousin Eddie put you up to this???

[Raytonium]

How in the heck did John get the C4? He never went down into the basement before it blew. That means he had to get down there BEFORE he pressed the button or he was given the C4 by someone.

Did I miss something?

Why are you assuming that he had to get the c4 from the basement? Couldn't he have grabbed some off the shelf next to the computer? And just because he found a block of c4 does not mean he knew that the basement was wired for detonation.

[Smartypants]

Would it have been dangerous to just trot around on a hike with that in your satchel? How about when shimmying yourself up a bent tree over some force field thing that wants to fry your brains?

[zeekman]

Why are you assuming that he had to get the c4 from the basement?

Because you can tell the C4 was taken off the wall as it had detonators and was wired like the other C4 in the basement. It wasn't just a block of C4, you can clearly tell it was already rigged and taken down from the wall.


Couldn't he have grabbed some off the shelf next to the computer?

I did not see anything on the shelf, did you?


I think we are missing something here.

[xkmaillost2]

The only thing I thought of is that all the C4 was wired together so that removing one brick and wires would have broken the circuit and none of it would have exploded.
He must of picked it up somehwere else on his way out.

[tommyj]

just an fyi - although I'm no expert I have friends in law enforcement and before Lost was ever on the air they had mentioned C4, while powerful, is very stable unless there is some type of charge/detonator/incendiary device. So Locke could conceivable be carrying plenty in his backpack, run, climb, etc with no worries.

[Smartypants]

That's what I was wondering. Thanks.

[lostchild]

33 minutes in Kate is seen handling something.
Looks like det caps? Though it could be a box of ammo.

[Raytonium]

Because you can tell the C4 was taken off the wall as it had detonators and was wired like the other C4 in the basement. It wasn't just a block of C4, you can clearly tell it was already rigged and taken down from the wall.




I did not see anything on the shelf, did you?


I think we are missing something here.

It may have been 'rigged', but that still doesn't mean that he took it down from the wall. Just because we don't see any c4 on a shelf, doesn't mean it isn't there--just off camera. I don't think Locke climbed down to the basement, saw the c4 on the walls and just grabbed one and stuffed it into his pack. I'm sure there was more upstairs, kept someplace handy, because there aren't many problems that can't be solved by the suitable application of high explosives.

[Raytonium]

just an fyi - although I'm no expert I have friends in law enforcement and before Lost was ever on the air they had mentioned C4, while powerful, is very stable unless there is some type of charge/detonator/incendiary device. So Locke could conceivable be carrying plenty in his backpack, run, climb, etc with no worries.

It was also used in the military to heat rations in the field, when no heat tabs were available.

[snakey]

In the coming attraction, about his being in a wheelchair, he looked like he had shrapnel all over his face, those marks looked like that to me. Maybe he's a Tim Mcvey or Unibomber type after his hippie phase and got involved in some kind of bomb making that backfired (of course, it's Locke afterall).