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03-26-07, 03:57 AM
here is how i can account for ben being on the island for all of his life (i am hooked on this topic right now):
on this mysterious island both the losties and the "others" call home, there lived a group of people that lived on it first...
these people perceived it as home first and were, thus, the original inhabitants of the island...
testaments to their achievements are the statue with four toes and the fact that they have never left the island in search of an outside world...
thus, they know not of anything outside of the island...
these people lived peacefully on their island for many years...
their leader, at this point, was a man named jacob...
jacob had a wife and together they had, at least, one child...
this boy's name was benjamin...
again, benjamin didn't know of anything outside of the island (because his people didn't)...
let's flash-forward a couple of years...
dharma / hanso pick this island for whatever reason (it probably has to do with the black rock (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_%28ship%29) and magnus hanso (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Magnus_Hanso))...
upon discovering the island, dharma / hanso also discover the inhabitants of the island...
dharma / hanso work with the inhabitants of the island and teach them about the outside world...
the stations of dharma and other facilities (the barracks / etc) begin to be built because dharma desires to do what they set out to do (the biggest goal dharma has may have to do with the valenzetti equation (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Equation))...
for some reason, dharma takes benjamin from his family and teach him about pretty much everything...
think of it like dharma being a tutor for benjamin (who may be in his 20s now, as dharma came to the island in the 80s)...
benjamin's family does not mind because they believe dharma has the best intentions for benjamin...
dharma teaches young benjamin more than they taught the inhabitants of the island (they probably taught him such in-depth topics as the valenzetti equation and how changing the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation will give humanity a chance to survive)...
of course, this is a lot to take in (especially if one has lived on a remote island for all of his / her life)...
but benjamin understands...
although dharma may have taught benjamin a huge amount of information, they still may have kept some information from him...
let's again flash-forward a little to the purge...
it seems to me that a group of scientists mass murdering an entire island of people is hard to comprehend (even for 'lost')...
it's possible that the inhabitants of the island got mad at dharma and began to become hostile toward them...
thus, dharma was forced to kill them all off so they could work on the island in peace...
or, maybe even, dharma was about to discover key secrets of the island that only benjamin and his people knew...
if the latter is true, the inhabitants of the became hostile towards dharma because they were about to discover key secrets of the island...
either way, dharma attempted to purge the inhabitants of the island and they failed...
i have this great scene in my head where benjamin kills off the very dharma people that raised him (maybe his dharma father / mother)...
additionally, in this imaginary scene, inhabitants of the island would meet up with benjamin and they would see that he has captured some dharma folks...
they would start to kill off the remaining dharma people but benjamin says that they need them...
this begins the age where benjamin and the inhabitants of the island control dharma...
the inhabitants of the island (benjamin's father, jacob, should be alive at this time) do not hate benjamin, even if he was socialized by dharma...
benjamin explains to his people that dharma was actually doing something great (saving the world) and that they should continue their work...
thus, they work with the remaining dharma members on the island...
in fact, dharma (outside of the island) still supports benjamin and his new dharma by sending food drops and sending recruits to the island...
but, before dharma outside the island fully accepted benjamin and his people, they sent danielle rousseau and her team to attempt to take back the island...
many have speculated rousseau's story and whether she was indeed sent by dharma or whether she just crashed on the island randomly...
evidence may point that she was working for dharma: she spoke in french (why would she send a sos in french if she knew english), her sos was said in a way that seemed as if the listener knew what she was speaking of (she referred to the black rock as a meeting point, she used names, etc)...
assuming dharma sent her to take back the island (she did have guns after all) tells a great story in itself...
so, yes, she travels to the island (and doesn't crash there or anything, as that would be her cover story)...
her team may have worked with benjamin's dharma for a little while up until they tried to take back the island...
of course, her and her team failed...
benjamin took her child and raised the child, alex, himself...
her team may have all been killed by benjamin's dharma or maybe they really did experience a weird sickness and she was forced to kill them all...
either way, her child now belonged to benjamin and she was the sole survivor of her team...
she may have eluded benjamin's dharma for sixteen years, or benjamin may just have not bothered her for whatever reason (maybe as further punishment)...
she, most likely, looked for them, in an effort to try to get alex back...
so, at present time, benjamin and the remaining of his people is working with the remaining dharma members and dharma outside the island...
they believe they are trying to save the world...
and rousseau lies, for whatever reason, about her involvement with dharma and the people the losties call "others" (probably because she believes that she will never see her child again if she doesn't hide the truth)...
here are some other points that i have been pondering:
this jacob character is the leader of benjamin's dharma (he may even be benjamin's father)...
i have no idea about his story (i can't see how anyone would at this point)...
the important thing about him is that he is the leader and he is respected greatly...
of course, benjamin would love nothing more than to control, which may be the most important station of them all, the swan...
but, he has a problem, it is sealed shut from the inside...
the workers in the swan do not know what has happened...
well, they know a little: the blast door map (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Blast_door_map) tells of what radzinsky / kelvin knew and kelvin and desmond mentioned "hostiles"...
it is important to note that benjamin knew nothing of desmond's arrival to the island and of his sailboat...
benjamin's dharma gave up on the swan station for a while...
eventually though, desmond would cause a random place crash that drastically changes benjamin's goals...
that's basically it http://images.abovetopsecret.com/smilies/ats2490_clowndance.gif
comments???
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on this mysterious island both the losties and the "others" call home, there lived a group of people that lived on it first...
these people perceived it as home first and were, thus, the original inhabitants of the island...
testaments to their achievements are the statue with four toes and the fact that they have never left the island in search of an outside world...
thus, they know not of anything outside of the island...
these people lived peacefully on their island for many years...
their leader, at this point, was a man named jacob...
jacob had a wife and together they had, at least, one child...
this boy's name was benjamin...
again, benjamin didn't know of anything outside of the island (because his people didn't)...
let's flash-forward a couple of years...
dharma / hanso pick this island for whatever reason (it probably has to do with the black rock (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_%28ship%29) and magnus hanso (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Magnus_Hanso))...
upon discovering the island, dharma / hanso also discover the inhabitants of the island...
dharma / hanso work with the inhabitants of the island and teach them about the outside world...
the stations of dharma and other facilities (the barracks / etc) begin to be built because dharma desires to do what they set out to do (the biggest goal dharma has may have to do with the valenzetti equation (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Equation))...
for some reason, dharma takes benjamin from his family and teach him about pretty much everything...
think of it like dharma being a tutor for benjamin (who may be in his 20s now, as dharma came to the island in the 80s)...
benjamin's family does not mind because they believe dharma has the best intentions for benjamin...
dharma teaches young benjamin more than they taught the inhabitants of the island (they probably taught him such in-depth topics as the valenzetti equation and how changing the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation will give humanity a chance to survive)...
of course, this is a lot to take in (especially if one has lived on a remote island for all of his / her life)...
but benjamin understands...
although dharma may have taught benjamin a huge amount of information, they still may have kept some information from him...
let's again flash-forward a little to the purge...
it seems to me that a group of scientists mass murdering an entire island of people is hard to comprehend (even for 'lost')...
it's possible that the inhabitants of the island got mad at dharma and began to become hostile toward them...
thus, dharma was forced to kill them all off so they could work on the island in peace...
or, maybe even, dharma was about to discover key secrets of the island that only benjamin and his people knew...
if the latter is true, the inhabitants of the became hostile towards dharma because they were about to discover key secrets of the island...
either way, dharma attempted to purge the inhabitants of the island and they failed...
i have this great scene in my head where benjamin kills off the very dharma people that raised him (maybe his dharma father / mother)...
additionally, in this imaginary scene, inhabitants of the island would meet up with benjamin and they would see that he has captured some dharma folks...
they would start to kill off the remaining dharma people but benjamin says that they need them...
this begins the age where benjamin and the inhabitants of the island control dharma...
the inhabitants of the island (benjamin's father, jacob, should be alive at this time) do not hate benjamin, even if he was socialized by dharma...
benjamin explains to his people that dharma was actually doing something great (saving the world) and that they should continue their work...
thus, they work with the remaining dharma members on the island...
in fact, dharma (outside of the island) still supports benjamin and his new dharma by sending food drops and sending recruits to the island...
but, before dharma outside the island fully accepted benjamin and his people, they sent danielle rousseau and her team to attempt to take back the island...
many have speculated rousseau's story and whether she was indeed sent by dharma or whether she just crashed on the island randomly...
evidence may point that she was working for dharma: she spoke in french (why would she send a sos in french if she knew english), her sos was said in a way that seemed as if the listener knew what she was speaking of (she referred to the black rock as a meeting point, she used names, etc)...
assuming dharma sent her to take back the island (she did have guns after all) tells a great story in itself...
so, yes, she travels to the island (and doesn't crash there or anything, as that would be her cover story)...
her team may have worked with benjamin's dharma for a little while up until they tried to take back the island...
of course, her and her team failed...
benjamin took her child and raised the child, alex, himself...
her team may have all been killed by benjamin's dharma or maybe they really did experience a weird sickness and she was forced to kill them all...
either way, her child now belonged to benjamin and she was the sole survivor of her team...
she may have eluded benjamin's dharma for sixteen years, or benjamin may just have not bothered her for whatever reason (maybe as further punishment)...
she, most likely, looked for them, in an effort to try to get alex back...
so, at present time, benjamin and the remaining of his people is working with the remaining dharma members and dharma outside the island...
they believe they are trying to save the world...
and rousseau lies, for whatever reason, about her involvement with dharma and the people the losties call "others" (probably because she believes that she will never see her child again if she doesn't hide the truth)...
here are some other points that i have been pondering:
this jacob character is the leader of benjamin's dharma (he may even be benjamin's father)...
i have no idea about his story (i can't see how anyone would at this point)...
the important thing about him is that he is the leader and he is respected greatly...
of course, benjamin would love nothing more than to control, which may be the most important station of them all, the swan...
but, he has a problem, it is sealed shut from the inside...
the workers in the swan do not know what has happened...
well, they know a little: the blast door map (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Blast_door_map) tells of what radzinsky / kelvin knew and kelvin and desmond mentioned "hostiles"...
it is important to note that benjamin knew nothing of desmond's arrival to the island and of his sailboat...
benjamin's dharma gave up on the swan station for a while...
eventually though, desmond would cause a random place crash that drastically changes benjamin's goals...
that's basically it http://images.abovetopsecret.com/smilies/ats2490_clowndance.gif
comments???
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