Is Cooper really Locke's dad?

[williambob1]

For a while now this has just been assumed and spoken of as the truth but I seem to recall that Cooper said to Locke a long time ago (s2 i believe) in one of the FB's that " you (meaning Locke) needed a Dad and I needed a kidney". or something to that effect.

Do we have proof that he's really Lockes dad? I've always thought Locke believed that to be the case but that there really was no proof of that and given that Cooper is such a good con man this is just another con of his.

[twilightsun]

This has been discussed in the Anthony Cooper thread (check the character forums) - I personally believe he is Locke's father. How else would he know for sure that he would be a match for his kidney? It's possible that it's a con, but considering the sexual nature of many of Cooper's cons with women, it's believable that he'd have a kid or two left behind from his exploits. He just had no interest in claiming paternity until he needed something from one of them.

[ika]

He said "you needed a father figure and I needed a kidney." He is his dad, but definitely was not a father to him.

[interplanetjanet]

We don't have proof, but the need for a good match in a kidney donation makes it awfully likely. Look at it from Cooper's point of view:

1. Learns he needs a kidney. A close relative--child, parent, sibling--is the best option.
2. He doesn't have a parent or willing sibling, but he knows of at least one kid--Emily told him about one forty years ago. (Kids born of "seduce the wife" affairs likely think the wife's husband is their father, but an orphan, he at least starts out willing to believe Cooper is his father.)
3. Research Locke and design a con to get him to give up a kidney.

This is more sensible than trying the con over and over on a set of foster children until he finds one who is a good match.

[DarthKitty]

He said "you needed a father figure and I needed a kidney." He is his dad, but definitely was not a father to him.
Agree, and closest match for a kidney would be an immediate relative.

[avon]

When Locke first met his "mother" (in "Deus ex Machina"), she told him this:

EMILY: I want to tell you that you're special, very special. You're part of a design.

and this:

EMILY: Oh, John, don't you understand? You don't have a father. You were immaculately conceived.

Two seasons later, I still think those are two of the most important lines uttered in the show. I've been hoping to see Emily appear again in a flashback ever since.

-avon-

[MrSocko]

When Locke first met his "mother" (in "Deus ex Machina"), she told him this:

EMILY: I want to tell you that you're special, very special. You're part of a design.

and this:

EMILY: Oh, John, don't you understand? You don't have a father. You were immaculately conceived.

Two seasons later, I still think those are two of the most important lines uttered in the show. I've been hoping to see Emily appear again in a flashback ever since.

-avon-


Very intriguing lines indeed. I dont, however, think what Emily says has much value outside of the con to get Locke's kidney. I would love to be wrong about this, because I think that would be a great twist to reappear, but I am not confident that it will.

[DarthKitty]

EMILY: Oh, John, don't you understand? You don't have a father. You were immaculately conceived.

Two seasons later, I still think those are two of the most important lines uttered in the show.

I would love that statement by Emily to be true, but we also have to consider that she was a schizophrenic and had been institutionalized in her past.

[Richardstone]

Emily was also part of the con...

And the Kidney sitting in Cooper's side pretty much confirms Cooper to be Locke's biological father, doesn't it?

It would make what happened in the last episode anti-climatic if it was revealed that he's not really Locke's dad I think...

[tommyj]

I think an interesting twist would be that Cooper is indeed Locke's father, but that he faked dialysis and kidney failure to sell Locke's kidney to the highest bidder.

[DarthKitty]

Organs do go for very high dollar on the black market...

[speedsquare]

someone posted this link somewhere:
http://hansolegal.com/

from the middle of the page:
"HansoLegal has learned that one of the subjects of this cloning experimentation has been reported to have developed the ability to walk after spending an extended period of time confined to a wheelchair. We have been unable as of yet to determine if this subject is himself a full human genetic clone, or if his legs only have undergone a cloning procedure."

I had wondered if the operation wasn't a kidney transplant afterall.The organ harvesting for the black market theory fits with Cooper's character.

Locke is a clone created by the Others. Cooper steals Locke's kidney and now the Others are holding him for stealing THEIR property.

I know, i know... it sounds crazy...


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[DarthKitty]

Welcome speedsquare! This is a great place to discuss, so enjoy yourself! Now, about hansolegal, that's a fan site. Black market organs? Possible. Locke is a clone? Sorry, I just can't see it. :)

[speedsquare]

Welcome speedsquare! This is a great place to discuss, so enjoy yourself! Now, about hansolegal, that's a fan site. Black market organs? Possible. Locke is a clone? Sorry, I just can't see it. :)

hehe, yeah I don't really think he's a clone but you know how it goes, you get one morsel of info and soon you begin pondering if locke and ben are clone brothers...:)

[DarthKitty]

That's what makes this show so great. Your imagination can go wild with possibilties regarding storylines!

[Cluck You]

Interesting idea about the kidney not really being for Cooper. The only thing is it would be difficult to convince a hospital to help him pull off the con. I'm not really sold on Cooper really being his father just yet. It wouldn't be too difficult to find a good match and research the vic's past if you have the money and resources to do that kind of thing.

I think "Coop" needed the kidney and found a sucker in Locke by playing into his weakness. All possible because he knew Locke's mom, so getting info on him was much easier. Locke's mom may be crazy but the more I consider it, why would she say he was conceived immaculately and then in the same conversation tell him his Dad wants to see him?

Whatchu talkin bout Willis???

I think there is something very underhanded going on with regards to his mother aside from the obvious scam. She may be crazy and with good reason. I would love to see a backstory on the events surrounding her going mentally ill. Why did she go mental? Was it before having Locke or after? She may have even been manipulated into birthing Locke. Only time will tell but as far as I am concerned right now:

"He is not the father!"

[DarthKitty]

Interesting idea about the kidney not really being for Cooper. The only thing is it would be difficult to convince a hospital to help him pull off the con. I'm not really sold on Cooper really being his father just yet. It wouldn't be too difficult to find a good match and research the vic's past if you have the money and resources to do that kind of thing.

I think "Coop" needed the kidney and found a sucker in Locke by playing into his weakness. All possible because he knew Locke's mom, so getting info on him was much easier. Locke's mom may be crazy but the more I consider it, why would she say he was conceived immaculately and then in the same conversation tell him his Dad wants to see him?

Whatchu talkin bout Willis???

I think there is something very underhanded going on with regards to his mother aside from the obvious scam. She may be crazy and with good reason. I would love to see a backstory on the events surrounding her going mentally ill. Why did she go mental? Was it before having Locke or after? She may have even been manipulated into birthing Locke. Only time will tell but as far as I am concerned right now:

"He is not the father!"

Schizophrenia shows up in the late teens/early twenties primarily. Many times there is a traumatic precursor to it rearing its ugly head. I would say th writers chose this illness for the fact that if not on meds, they are usually quite delusional. That could explain the back and forth on Locke's conception. It is definately possible that Cooper isn't his real Dad and that there was some kind of weird conception. That would make a good storyline in my opinion. Especially if Dharma was involved. Was Dharma around that long ago?

[Cluck You]

Schizophrenia shows up in the late teens/early twenties primarily. Many times there is a traumatic precursor to it rearing its ugly head. I would say th writers chose this illness for the fact that if not on meds, they are usually quite delusional. That could explain the back and forth on Locke's conception. It is definately possible that Cooper isn't his real Dad and that there was some kind of weird conception. That would make a good storyline in my opinion. Especially if Dharma was involved. Was Dharma around that long ago?

Hmmm, you could be right. It's pretty much fact that she is schizo. I don't think DHARMA would have been around before his conception per se. But maybe they somehow took notice of Locke during his childhood. Do we know how old Locke is exactly? Looks to be mid 50's at least. So he'd be an adolescent/teen when DHARMA was created. That would be very interesting. I dunno... But that whole "you're special" thing still haunts me. I still believe there's much more to Locke's past, his childhood especially, that's relevant to his ending up on that island.

[DarthKitty]

But that whole "you're special" thing still haunts me. I still believe there's much more to Locke's past, his childhood especially, that's relevant to his ending up on that island.
Agreed, I think he has been the perfect candidate for cult recruiting. Desperate for a father figure, he turned a blind eye on Copper's behavior as well as the good people at my favorite greenhouse :D! I'm sure I'll get hell for saying this, but I think Locke is the single most important character in this show, not that I don't love everyone else and think they are important, John is the root. Burn me up if you must :nanabobo:!

[Stowaway]

Reading this thread has encouraged me to think that Locke is a clone of Cooper rather than his son. It would fit in with Emily's claims of "immaculate conception" (maybe she was implanted with the embryo) and the Russian guy's comment about "the Locke I knew". It would also give Cooper some psychological motivation for distancing himself from Locke - I mean, I always thought, what's the big deal about keeping up a relationship with your son - it would have pacified Locke and kept him from tracking Daddy like a bloodhound. At least send him an annual Christmas card for goodness sake! But the idea of a clone could be kind of creepy to the original and if the original is a con man, rather intimidating - I mean who could learn all your tricks and best you at your own game better than an identical twin?

[DarthKitty]

Were they cloning in the 50's? I think that is when Locke was born. He's around 50ish.

[Cluck You]

The fact that Ben, the leader of the Others, comes all the way to the 815 camp to "get Locke" tells that the crash was no accident and Locke's presence their was predicted, expected, forced or what have you.

The first thing that came to mind when the Russian said "the Locke I knew" was that perhaps Locke has had experiences in his life that he does not remember. Or, rather, experiences he is not supposed to remember. I thought at first maybe his life as he remembers it, is not real or completely accurate. Brainwashing and memory suggestion? I thought maybe he was so intent on wasting the Russian was because what he said really bothered him because he knew deep down this man was telling the truth.

I hadn't thought of the possibility of him being a clone though, now that would make sense too. Coop being a clone, or perhaps the original from which Locke was made would be very interesting. I really want to see who Locke's foster parents were.

[Hodgepodge]

Moving to the Kevin Tighe - Cooper forum for further discussion.