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rfwilliams2
04-08-07, 05:31 AM
I have looked around a bit to see if anyone has commented on the significance of Juliet's remark to Kate about the "sonic gate" being shut off. Now I don't think that they would have just turned it off the day after the "rescue team" arrived, which would mean that the whole Locke pushing Mikhail passed the gate (hence killing him) would have been a hoax. This may explain why Mikhail said thank you and why Damon wordplayed about the death in a recent podcast. The only thing that confuses me is how Mikhail would have started to bleed on cue. Any thoughts?
P.S. If this thread has already been talked to death somewhere I have not found it, my apologies.
Well if the Others have fake beards and tattered costume clothing, they should totally have blood packs and other special effects makeup. amirite?
traveling wilbury
04-08-07, 06:51 AM
the fence did make a kickass, loud noise when mikhail was thrown into it. i think it was left off when juliet was coming back with kate, because when the others left, they turned off the fence as part of the ruse of "vanishing." juliet knew this, imo, because she 'may be' a spy. she had a key.
but you never know with this crazy show! i<3 jules.
DrunkSinceLunch
04-08-07, 10:35 AM
If the fence WAS turned off, that would explain why the A-Team was able to climb over it using only a tree that was maybe 15-20 ft in the air. But then when the fence was on, Smokie wasnt able to fly over it, even though it's a flying freakin blob of smoke that can come and go as it pleases.
This would also fit the theory that Locke is involved on a much deeper level than we thought.
Hmmm. If I had any gold stars left, I'd give you some.
rfwilliams2
04-08-07, 07:58 PM
It's the thought that counts, DrunkSL. I didn't even think about the fact that the smokie wasn't able to go over the fence, making it impossible for the kate and co. to go over it as they did if it were on. Kudos to you.
dharmaqueen
04-08-07, 09:36 PM
I believe that Juliet disarmed the fence when she dragged Kate out there to convince Kate that they were in it together. But when Kate refused to run in (because of her experience with Mikhail) Juliet had to let the ruse go and tell her the truth.
:Cheers:
qwicmbl
04-08-07, 09:53 PM
I have looked around a bit to see if anyone has commented on the significance of Juliet's remark to Kate about the "sonic gate" being shut off. Now I don't think that they would have just turned it off the day after the "rescue team" arrived, which would mean that the whole Locke pushing Mikhail passed the gate (hence killing him) would have been a hoax. This may explain why Mikhail said thank you and why Damon wordplayed about the death in a recent podcast. The only thing that confuses me is how Mikhail would have started to bleed on cue. Any thoughts?
P.S. If this thread has already been talked to death somewhere I have not found it, my apologies.
I just don't see how Mikhail could fake a death like that so perfectly....
1) He foamed from the mouth... (to do that you have got to have something in your mouth to trigger that foam, which he couldn't have because he had his hands handcuffed or tied.
2) He had obvious blood coming out of his EARS... (I'd like to see you shove ketchup packages in your ears.)
I think the fence was on when Mikhail was pushed into it, and it was turned off when the Others took off to wherever they are going....Finally, Juliette turned it back on when Smokey was after them.
When the Losties climbed over the fence they climbed over one of the posts....If the fence was on then that means the charge is not directed over the posts, only between them.
I just don't see how Mikhail could fake a death like that so perfectly....
1) He foamed from the mouth... (to do that you have got to have something in your mouth to trigger that foam, which he couldn't have because he had his hands handcuffed or tied.
2) He had obvious blood coming out of his EARS... (I'd like to see you shove ketchup packages in your ears.)
Well done. This is clearly the right answer. For whatever reason, the fence was on when Locke pushed Mikhail, and it was off when Jules and Kate ran from Smokey. The questions "who turned it off?" and "why?" remain to be answered.
qwicmbl
04-09-07, 12:00 AM
Yea I think Smokey is one of the more interesting issues in LOST....just because we don't know enough about it.
I think the fence will have some good answers behind it
BigBoogie
04-09-07, 12:17 AM
Maybe there is a way of telling the status of the fence by looking at it. jullit would know that.
I seriously doubt there are any "indicators" on the fence to let one know if it's on or off just by looking. I'm quite sure Juliette knew it was off (or at least had a VERY strong inclination it was still off) because the Others turned it off when they bugged out, and it was off when Juliette took Kate out there and handcuffed herself to her.
The chances are very likely that the areas just over the posts are "dead" areas, and that Smokie has no clue he can go over it ... perhaps, there is something about Smokie that won't let him pass over it.
We also do not know how high the "fence" extends when it's on ... only that there is at least a dead area just above the posts that's large enough for a human to go thru w/out being hurt ...
everything else, at this point in time, is pure speculation...
*Saint*
04-09-07, 02:19 AM
Like others, I believe that we'll learn that Juliet is a mole (speculation) and that she disarmed the fence when she brought Kate out into the jungle. Honestly, I don't think it's any more complex than that...
rvturnage
04-09-07, 02:42 PM
Like others, I believe that we'll learn that Juliet is a mole (speculation) and that she disarmed the fence when she brought Kate out into the jungle. Honestly, I don't think it's any more complex than that...
I agree with you, ASaint. But wouldn't it have been funny if Ben turned it back on while Juliette was out in the woods with Kate? :)
"It's turned off, Kate. See" ZAAAAP! "ARRRRRGGGHH!"....
Hodgepodge
04-09-07, 04:28 PM
I got the impression the fence was turned off when the "Others" abandoned "Othersville". It wouldn't make sense to have an on/off switch on the outside of the fence, so there wasn't a way for them to turn it back on. Juliet knowing this, had no fear of going through one of the openings and rearming the fence. As we were shown, once Kate was safe, she turned the fence back on and "Smokey" couldn't get through. Don't ask why it didn't go over the top. That discussion in going on in another thread.
12titles
04-09-07, 05:13 PM
It wouldn't make sense to have an on/off switch on the outside of the fence, so there wasn't a way for them to turn it back on.
Uh, yea it would. I set the alarm on my house everytime I leave. You wouldn't want to leave it off and let anybody come in and take whatever they wanted.
Ben would be pissed if he left the house and somebody came in and ate his chicken...
Hodgepodge
04-09-07, 05:51 PM
Uh, yea it would. I set the alarm on my house everytime I leave. You wouldn't want to leave it off and let anybody come in and take whatever they wanted.
Ben would be pissed if he left the house and somebody came in and ate his chicken...But, I'm going to assume you don't have an extra switch on the outside of your house to set the alarm?
If my assumption is correct, whoever was the last to leave and rearm the fence, couldn't really leave without killing him/herself.
12titles
04-09-07, 06:40 PM
But, I'm going to assume you don't have an extra switch on the outside of your house to set the alarm?
If my assumption is correct, whoever was the last to leave and rearm the fence, couldn't really leave without killing him/herself.
I do have a "key fob" that sets the alarm after I leave the house (similar to a car alarm). I would assume that an alarm system 1000% more expensive and elaborate than mine would have something similar to arm/disarm the system.
If the fence is designed to keep Smokie out (to protect the Others), then it would make no sense to turn the fence on when nobody is there...
Then again, I guess if Smokie is smart, he could 'hide' inside the fence's perimeter and wait for the Others to return ... then he'd be able to get them!
But if Smokie were that smart, he'd probably know he could likely go over the sonic fence in the first place, and would thus have no need to 'sneak' into the place when the fence is turned off ...
I'm almost to the point that I despise smokie and the fence, only because we know SO little about either at this point ... it's become one huge guessing game that seems to have no real rhyme or reason about it ...
The most odd part of all (to me) about the fence is if there truly is no switch on the outside of the fence (or any way to arm/disarm the fence from outside it’s perimeter), then how could a single group leave the compound without at least having someone follow them to the fence to turn it back on after the group left? Wouldn’t you think it was designed such that if a group of 3 people were leaving, then those 3 alone could leave the houses, head out to the fence, turn it off, pass thru, and then turn it back on so that the compound would be protected? That would make the most sense to me, but from the latest episode, it appears that the only way to turn it on is from the inside … thoughts?
interplanetjanet
04-09-07, 09:05 PM
I'm almost to the point that I despise smokie and the fence, only because we know SO little about either at this point ... it's become one huge guessing game that seems to have no real rhyme or reason about it
Come on over to Whatdahell, and you can vote on whether he shall be known henceforth as Dust Bunny of Doom or Pissed Off Dust Bunny.
JohWell
04-10-07, 12:06 AM
The only thing that confuses me is how Mikhail would have started to bleed on cue. Any thoughts?
P.S. If this thread has already been talked to death somewhere I have not found it, my apologies.
That Russian was crazy & ex-USSR military. A competent doctor could surgically place some fine arteries inside his ears for easy popping.
A fake molar with a foaming agent inside could explain the foam.
If he did "bad things to his enemies" as he said, he may have been KGB/Military Intelligence. I'm sure those got a lot of training in this sort of thing. How to assassinate people/perform suicide if captured/fake death and so forth.
His faked death need not necessarily be out of place, although IIRC TPTB in relation to similar speculation about Kelvins demise, stated that dead people would stay dead. Kelvin died in Desmonds flashback however, so TPTB may have been referring to FB/Pre-Flight 815 deaths only.
I just don't see how Mikhail could fake a death like that so perfectly....
1) He foamed from the mouth... (to do that you have got to have something in your mouth to trigger that foam, which he couldn't have because he had his hands handcuffed or tied.
2) He had obvious blood coming out of his EARS... (I'd like to see you shove ketchup packages in your ears.)
Well done. This is clearly the right answer. For whatever reason, the fence was on when Locke pushed Mikhail, and it was off when Jules and Kate ran from Smokey. The questions "who turned it off?" and "why?" remain to be answered.
The Others vacated the Barracks, they had to turn it off to leave. And as rfwilliams2 said, It may not be possible to engage it again from outside its perimeter. If it were possible, why not dump Sayid/Jack in the jungle also & activate the fence after they left.
This fence thing stinks IMO, Juliet's jungle rumble is key to that.
(Any muddy ♀Jate♀ fan clubs yet :wub:(having the Barracks showers working next episode sure couldn't hurt the ratings :naughty:)).
qwicmbl
04-10-07, 12:37 AM
Like others, I believe that we'll learn that Juliet is a mole (speculation) and that she disarmed the fence when she brought Kate out into the jungle. Honestly, I don't think it's any more complex than that...
So is Juliette capable of carrying Kate by herself way out into the jungle (over a days hike)? We now know that she is capable of more than we had thought of before but that's a lot of work....
Maybe she got help by Ben and The Others and Ben gave Juliette her directions of infiltrating the Losties camp...
who knows, cant wait to find out
Hodgepodge
04-10-07, 01:34 AM
...The most odd part of all (to me) about the fence is if there truly is no switch on the outside of the fence (or any way to arm/disarm the fence from outside it’s perimeter), then how could a single group leave the compound without at least having someone follow them to the fence to turn it back on after the group left? Wouldn’t you think it was designed such that if a group of 3 people were leaving, then those 3 alone could leave the houses, head out to the fence, turn it off, pass thru, and then turn it back on so that the compound would be protected? That would make the most sense to me, but from the latest episode, it appears that the only way to turn it on is from the inside … thoughts? Taking my assumption a little further. I would suppose there's a building with a main switch. This is what Ben and the "Others" turned off so they could leave. Now I agree, this is all my imagination, but doesn't it make more sense that having a key fob? :rotfl:
So is Juliette capable of carrying Kate by herself way out into the jungle (over a days hike)? We now know that she is capable of more than we had thought of before but that's a lot of work...Kate doesn't weigh more than a 105lbs. Juliet could toss her over her shoulder and carry her a good distance. Maybe not a days hike, but as you mentioned, she got some help.
*Saint*
04-10-07, 03:28 AM
So is Juliette capable of carrying Kate by herself way out into the jungle (over a days hike)? We now know that she is capable of more than we had thought of before but that's a lot of work....
Maybe she got help by Ben and The Others and Ben gave Juliette her directions of infiltrating the Losties camp...
who knows, cant wait to find out
Juliet is stronger than we give her credit for. Plus, Kate is not that heavy...I'd say 105-110 pounds. Granted, she's pure muscle, and with being passed out, she'd be dead weight, but she could pull it off.
...plus, how do we not know that Ben or Tom (or whomever) helped her out?
SeeUinAnotherLife
04-10-07, 05:02 AM
I have looked around a bit to see if anyone has commented on the significance of Juliet's remark to Kate about the "sonic gate" being shut off. Now I don't think that they would have just turned it off the day after the "rescue team" arrived, which would mean that the whole Locke pushing Mikhail passed the gate (hence killing him) would have been a hoax. This may explain why Mikhail said thank you and why Damon wordplayed about the death in a recent podcast. The only thing that confuses me is how Mikhail would have started to bleed on cue. Any thoughts?
P.S. If this thread has already been talked to death somewhere I have not found it, my apologies.
NO WAY he's alive.... his freakin' head exploded....
TheBigCat
04-10-07, 05:26 AM
NO WAY he's alive.... his freakin' head exploded....
Yeah...the grey stuff seeping out his ears was brains. I'm surprized that ZombieEthan didn't come running for a meal. ;)
12titles
04-10-07, 01:24 PM
but doesn't it make more sense that having a key fob?
Yea, there are no holes in your assumption. :rolleyez: How about this...maybe the key pad at the pillar can arm/disarm the system.
What other alarm systems can you name where you cannot arm it from outside the perimeter? Name one... Restaurant? Car? House? Art Gallery? Office building? These all have mechanisms that allow the system to be armed from outside the perimeter. Might be a key fob or a key pad or even a remote monitoring location, but all advanced alarm systems allow for this...
You can carry your assumption out as far as you want, but the underlying premise is flawed.
kathryn420
04-10-07, 01:57 PM
[quote=12titles;1449811]What other alarm systems can you name where you cannot arm it from outside the perimeter? Name one... Restaurant? Car? House? Art Gallery? Office building? quote]
Hmmm... my house and office alarms are only able to be armed or disarmed from inside. In fact, other than a car that has a key Fob, I can't think of an alarm that is able to be armed or disarmed from outside.... Perhaps I am confused?
Okay I re-read the post... now I think I get why I was confused... please ignore me.
Yea, there are no holes in your assumption. :rolleyez: How about this...maybe the key pad at the pillar can arm/disarm the system.
What other alarm systems can you name where you cannot arm it from outside the perimeter? Name one... Restaurant? Car? House? Art Gallery? Office building? These all have mechanisms that allow the system to be armed from outside the perimeter. Might be a key fob or a key pad or even a remote monitoring location, but all advanced alarm systems allow for this...
You can carry your assumption out as far as you want, but the underlying premise is flawed.
a GDO
12titles
04-10-07, 02:29 PM
a GDO
I'm not sure what that is... Are you referring to this:
Garage door opener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDO_%28Stargate%29), a fictional piece of technology in the science fiction television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction_television) show Stargate SG-1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1).
?
colonelmustard
04-10-07, 03:46 PM
Uh, yea it would. I set the alarm on my house everytime I leave. You wouldn't want to leave it off and let anybody come in and take whatever they wanted.
Ben would be pissed if he left the house and somebody came in and ate his chicken...
Are you kidding? You don't think he took his chicken with him? (the dark meat at least)
Hodgepodge
04-10-07, 04:07 PM
Yea, there are no holes in your assumption. :rolleyez: How about this...maybe the key pad at the pillar can arm/disarm the system.
What other alarm systems can you name where you cannot arm it from outside the perimeter? Name one... Restaurant? Car? House? Art Gallery? Office building? These all have mechanisms that allow the system to be armed from outside the perimeter. Might be a key fob or a key pad or even a remote monitoring location, but all advanced alarm systems allow for this...
You can carry your assumption out as far as you want, but the underlying premise is flawed.12titles, I disagree. First of all, we're not talking about any of the above instances. Was the fence constructed only to keep out "Smokey"? I don't think that's necessarily so. Your idea of a keypad outside the perimeter, wouldn't help if it could be neutralized by human hands. If you noticed, Juliet was inside one of the pillars when it was rearmed.
I have no problem with your idea that the terminal Juliet used could both arm and disarm the fence. But again, either one would have to be done within the fences perimeter. JMO!
12titles
04-10-07, 05:35 PM
I personally think that the fence was constructed by Dharma to keep the others/everybody but Dharma out. Keeping Smokey out is just a bonus (if the fence actually keeps Smokey out and that wasn't just for show). I also think that Dharma built Smokey as well, so they weren't concernedwith having the fence keep Smokey out. I don't think the others have gained control of Smokey like they have the rest of Dharma's tools. I've veered WAY off course here...sorry.
How about this...maybe that's how the others got control of the compound....the fence was "neutralized by human hands". I thought it was stupid that the numbers for the fence were some of the same numbers that were being typed into the computer. That's not very secure. (I think they were the same numbers anyhow, from reading another thread).
It's been an interesting conversation Hodgepodge. Hopefully we will get some answers soon. Sorry for the length.
Hodgepodge
04-10-07, 06:03 PM
I personally think that the fence was constructed by Dharma to keep the others/everybody but Dharma out. Keeping Smokey out is just a bonus (if the fence actually keeps Smokey out and that wasn't just for show). I also think that Dharma built Smokey as well, so they weren't concernedwith having the fence keep Smokey out. I don't think the others have gained control of Smokey like they have the rest of Dharma's tools. I've veered WAY off course here...sorry.:yeah: I'm in complete agreement!
...I thought it was stupid that the numbers for the fence were some of the same numbers that were being typed into the computer. That's not very secure. (I think they were the same numbers anyhow, from reading another thread).
It's been an interesting conversation Hodgepodge. Hopefully we will get some answers soon. Sorry for the length.You know what we need? a small video of Juliet entering the numbers. Maybe someone can post it on YouTube and provide a link to our new Lost Multimedia (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=125) forum?
And on your last thought, I'm again with you a 100%. Talk at ya later! :wave2:
11Rooster11
04-10-07, 06:52 PM
I think that there is a very real possibilty that Mikhail faked his death. John may have even known about it in advance. What John knows and when he learned it will be a major theme in the coming weeks
There is a chance that the sonic perimeter has no effect on humans or animals. Mikhail may have been carrying something that triggered the sound effect. He then collapsed and put on a show. His triggering the sound may have also alerted the camp that the perimeter had been breached. Ben then knew his savior was about to arrive.
If this is the case then maybe the fence was on the whole time. Kate & Juliet went through it while it was on. Juliet's actions at the keypad may have been simply to fool Kate. If she is a mole that would be classic "Others" style deception.
Also Smokie's appearance right then and there would seem to be another way for Juliet to earn the Losties trust. Maybe they do control smokie but want the losties to think that they don't.
not sure about the fence not being real, or about the Others controlling Smokie ... if the Others did control Smokie, then why would Juliette first tell Kate she had no idea what it was, and why would TPTB make sure to show us the intense fear that Juliette has of Smokie?
I remain convinced That the Others do not yet have a complete understanding of Smokie, and would guess that Smokie has done damage to some of the Others in the past … The fence (be it sonic, electromagnetic, or whatever) is real, and is a real barrier against both humans/living things as well as Smokie …
I do however agree that ‘what John knows, and when he learned it’ is going to be a very important aspect of the show…
Cluck You
04-10-07, 09:30 PM
Interesting theory, although I don't think it's likely. My reason being that Locke was intent on killing Mikhail from jumpstreet. I remember that because it was related to one of my fav lines of any ep so far.
It was something like "why don't we shoot him like a dog?" To which Locke responds "No, I like dogs"....
Also, even though Locke is a complete enigma at this stage, he still seems to have the best intentions towards his fellow 815'ers. Mikhail would have slain any of them given the chance, Locke knowing this would not have helped him in any way imo. Locke wanted a dead Ruskie.
But as far as Mikhail dying, I believe he has truly bought the farm sans any assistant from Locke. But what I really wonder is how he died. I think the fence is a hoax. I don't think they (Kate/Sayid/Locke/Rousseau) would have been able to cross the fence the way they did and live, since Smokey cannot fly over the fence. The sonic field should have a range beyond the top of the posts. The rescue team should have had a mouth full of alka-seltzer like our Russian comrade. It may be that Smokey is programmed not to pass that area for fear he might smite the wrong person. I think Mikhail chomped down on a cyanide pill perhaps, killing himself, in order to satisfy their belief that the fence is lethal. He seemed very intent on making sure they did not make it to Othersville, willing to give his life in order to do so.
Yes, I am crazy.
Something I am considering now that this whole arming and disarming subject has come up:
It seems to me that the surrounding perimeter is fairly large and if the Others are constantly switching the system on and off (as they would, apparently, have to do each time they left the area of their camp to interact with the Losties) they would need to develop a means of communicating and organizing such trips if there was only one vantage point for controlling the power. If you can arm or disarm the system from outside the pillar when the fence is on, then everyone who knows the code would be able to come and go as they pleased. But if you can only control it from within the pillars, suddenly your plans require a certain subset of Others to know who is without the perimeter and when they anticipate needing to return. Ethan, for example, would either have to have a set timeline/rendezvous or a walkie talkie on his person to radio back to be let in.
The mechanics of this system is fascinating to me and it's construction doesn't seem to match with what the Others would need (unless this scenario and battle with the Losties was something they never intended). It makes me wonder whether the sonic field is something preexisting that they simply commandeered for their use ... but that's for another thread.
Hodgepodge
04-10-07, 10:41 PM
Something I am considering now that this whole arming and disarming subject has come up:
It seems to me that the surrounding perimeter is fairly large and if the Others are constantly switching the system on and off (as they would, apparently, have to do each time they left the area of their camp to interact with the Losties) they would need to develop a means of communicating and organizing such trips if there was only one vantage point for controlling the power. If you can arm or disarm the system from outside the pillar when the fence is on, then everyone who knows the code would be able to come and go as they pleased. But if you can only control it from within the pillars, suddenly your plans require a certain subset of Others to know who is without the perimeter and when they anticipate needing to return. Ethan, for example, would either have to have a set timeline/rendezvous or a walkie talkie on his person to radio back to be let in...Begs the question! When Ben and Juliet left their walkie-talkie in the Pearl, how did they regain access to "Othersville"? This is a sarcastic question. Thanks for the post Kylie. ;)
qwicmbl
04-10-07, 11:18 PM
I think that there is a very real possibilty that Mikhail faked his death. John may have even known about it in advance. What John knows and when he learned it will be a major theme in the coming weeks
There is a chance that the sonic perimeter has no effect on humans or animals. Mikhail may have been carrying something that triggered the sound effect. He then collapsed and put on a show. His triggering the sound may have also alerted the camp that the perimeter had been breached. Ben then knew his savior was about to arrive.
Also Smokie's appearance right then and there would seem to be another way for Juliet to earn the Losties trust. Maybe they do control smokie but want the losties to think that they don't.
I find it almost impossible to believe Mikhail had everything necesarry on him to fake a death like that...there's no way he could have triggered something to make the fence make that incredible noise (him going into the barrier created it).
Also when Juliette "turned on" the fence when Smokey was chasing her and Kate, it made another loud "sonic" noise. The fence is real and Mikhail is dead
Hodgepodge
04-10-07, 11:38 PM
...The fence is real and Mikhail is dead:yeah:
Cluck You
04-11-07, 12:00 AM
Capsules can be kept in the mouth safely in false teeth and broken by manipulating them free with the tongue. Heck, they even do this with fake blood packets in professional wrestling.
Mikhail entered the "danger area" had time to turn around and say a few words... smile etc. If it takes that long to work, a person could simply run through it quickly without much harm. Not much of a security fence.
It also wouldn't be too hard to make a fence that makes a noise as you get close to it. I still say it was designed for smokey, not for humans. Ask yourself why there aren't a bunch of dead animals around those posts?
qwicmbl
04-11-07, 01:25 AM
Ask yourself why there aren't a bunch of dead animals around those posts?
That's a good point...
However, if that fence has really been there for a long period of time, animals can learn from their mistakes. If that fence does really have the effect that it did on Mikhail, I think after a while animals would learn not to go near the fence.
WALT!!WALT!!
04-11-07, 01:41 AM
That's a good point...
However, if that fence has really been there for a long period of time, animals can learn from their mistakes. If that fence does really have the effect that it did on Mikhail, I think after a while animals would learn not to go near the fence.
Ya'll have to remember, this is a TV show designed to entertain.
Suspense and drama is required to create an intriquing story. Would it have been so dramatic if he had crossed the fence path and just collapsed to the ground in a heap? Why do you think EVERY bad guy in movies has a little solilquey wehere he/she lays out their evil plans right before they die/ are captured??
For drama! It's for that Holy S**t factor that we all love in Lost!
Cluck You
04-11-07, 03:35 AM
That may be true. But I just can't believe the builders of this fence didn't think someone might just try to climb over it. They (rescue team) defeated the fence with what equates to a ladder. When people want to get somewhere and there's a fence or wall in the way, their first thought is to climb over it somehow. That's why barbwire was invented. A sonic fence is a pretty hi-tech method of keeping people out. Other methods would have been easier if your trying to keep people out.
Why is is that Smokey can't simply fly over the post like the rescue crew did if the top of the posts are the vulnerable point? Doesn't add up for me. My guess is Smokey can't cross it because it's designed to curb him.
qwicmbl
04-11-07, 05:08 AM
Why is is that Smokey can't simply fly over the post like the rescue crew did if the top of the posts are the vulnerable point? Doesn't add up for me. My guess is Smokey can't cross it because it's designed to curb him.
yea that is where I am the most confused too....My guess is that the fence is just for Smokey and he is programmed for only certain things,(that I have just sort of an idea from reading other posts) and figuring out how to go over and under things isn't one of them. When he's in the jungle he seems to just plow through everything. So that is not a very good guess but it's enough for me, haha
Can't wait to get some kind of an answer to this
udderudder
04-11-07, 09:34 AM
I believe that Juliet disarmed the fence when she dragged Kate out there to convince Kate that they were in it together. But when Kate refused to run in (because of her experience with Mikhail) Juliet had to let the ruse go and tell her the truth.
:Cheers:
:groupwave: :yeah: :groupwave:
Mysterious Mike
04-26-07, 03:00 AM
LAME
MrSocko
04-26-07, 03:08 AM
I guess I don't belong here. I am very happy he is alive :D
He's a great character
Leia Amos
04-26-07, 03:09 AM
Sure, he coulda been cool, but why is he alive? I mean, he had an interesting death even.
He's a great character
Why? Because he has an eyepatch? An accent? An amazing ability to escape certain death?
Kinda lame, but we've seen more ridiculous things get praised to the heavens.
truffula
04-26-07, 03:11 AM
LAME
:yeah:
Lame. And ridiculous.
Sure, he coulda been cool, but why is he alive? I mean, he had an interesting death even.
Why? Because he has an eyepatch? An accent? An amazing ability to escape certain death?
:yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah:
When I saw him run out of the jungle, I hung my head.
I liked the eppy overall, but this was not a good move IMO.
Kinda lame, but we've seen more ridiculous things get praised to the heavens.
Not by me. ;)
I gave Man From Tallahassee a 3.
Yeah, but you're just angry!
ETA: JK ya know, but you mean you didn't cheer the first time that you saw Locke had been immediately healed on the island? It's the way of the show.
seymour.w
04-26-07, 03:13 AM
this just another example of island healing. I wouldn't even be surprised if Klugh is alive too. Mikhail would know exactly where to shoot her such that the island could heal her. He also would know that the fence would only severely injure him to the point that losties would leave him for dead and he would be revived later. It was not faked!
wickedsweet
04-26-07, 03:14 AM
I'm giving the benifit of the doubt here but expecting a killer reason for it
I can live with the healing. I don't like it, but I can deal with the curing paralysis, the remission of cancer, the increased sperm count. What I can't deal with is resurrecting people from the dead...
... unless they're Zombies. And since Patchy's motives seemed more nefarious than brains, I'm grumpy about it.
The artist formerly known
04-26-07, 03:18 AM
I am sure it will be explained. Probably in Ben's ep
MrSocko
04-26-07, 03:18 AM
Why? Because he has an eyepatch? An accent? An amazing ability to escape certain death?
Because he is well acted and well written.
Because he represents the general sense of mystery and intrigue that was evident in the Others in Seasons 1 and 2, but is all but disappeared now.
Because as soon as he was introduced, he gave us answers and hints of answers that I have been waiting for for quite some time.
Because his interactions and the general sense of pseudo-respect that he and the Losties share was one of the most entertaining aspects of his 2 episodes.
Because he seems to know almost everything about the survivors and is a great link between them and the rest of the Others.
Because he has an eyepatch, an accent, and has escaped "certain" death.
Shall I continue?
Vitriol
04-26-07, 03:20 AM
Indeed those are all great reasons to like Mikhail.
Sorry, Socko, I wasn't trying to overly-snarky. All of your reasons are definately valid. I'm just generally grumpy. :(
Couldn't it be possible that the fence caused him to have a massive siezure? I don't see why somebody couldn't survive after that. Foaming at the mouth and bleeding from the ears does not = dead. We just assumed like Sayid, Kate, and Locke did that Mikhael was dead.
The fence was OBVIOUSLY made for smokie. Why would you build a giant sonic fence to keep ordinary people out of your village? How about landmines? Or barbed wire for christ sake? You could build anything but a sonic fence and it would be WAY cheaper and easier.
MrSocko
04-26-07, 03:22 AM
Don't worry Solat, I understand. The idea of coming back from the dead is a dangerous one for Lost to tamper with. If he truly did literally rise from the dead, thats a possible jump the shark moment. However, I don't think its that simple; I think theres a legitimate explanation.
As for your apparent indifference to Locke's paralysis being healed, you're just crazy :D
LostEmissary
04-26-07, 03:25 AM
I can live with the healing. I don't like it, but I can deal with the curing paralysis, the remission of cancer, the increased sperm count. What I can't deal with is resurrecting people from the dead...To be fair, how exactly do we know that he was dead?
Ih82w8forlostanswers
04-26-07, 03:29 AM
Didn't Mikhail say it would take a day or two for the parachuters wound to heal?
If a punctured lung can heal in 2 days, Mikhail can overcome bloody ears, no?
bigpappyblue
04-26-07, 03:30 AM
Bah, some interesting stuff tonight but the details killed me this episode...foaming at the mouth and bleeding out the ears, that's bad right?
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x12-pan/2/par-avion-cap322.jpg
They gave a huge nod to healing properties of the island with Mikhail saying the punctured lung would heal in a day or two, but that much blood out of the ears. That's not a manufactured ruse, too much chance to get buried or something after you've pulled off your little drama show.
Uh, and is there a torch vending machine?
I'm betting on the fact that he was never dead. When we saw him get pushed into the fence, we didn't know at that time he was working with the Others. Knowing that know, I would assume he had a good understanding of how the fence worked. He didn't fight getting pushed into the fence very hard, and he even said "Thank You" I think. (Thanks to my source ;) ). He knew he wasn't going to die, and knew they would think he was dead, giving him a perfect out.
truffula
04-26-07, 03:51 AM
Okay, I kinda take back what I said before...:p
The main reason I am glad he's still alive, is he can eventually be the provider of ANSWERS. The Losties have such a bad track record in that regard...Ethan dead, Goodwin dead, Ben...well, you can't do much with Wile E. Coyote "Super Genius" now can you...;)
They seemed to actually get some info from him when they first encountered him...okay, some of it (which parts??) were false, but still....ANSWERS!!! :p
Mysterious Mike
04-26-07, 04:03 AM
The island healing seems to be rooted in it fixing afflicted people and can heal wounds but if you have a massive hemorrhage that shoots blood out of you're ears then how long could you actually live. Wounds heal quicker but it has been made somewhat clear you can in fact die on the island. Its not that I didn't or don't like Mikhail its that if they wanted him around he should have escaped or something rather than the whole whoops he's alive deal. Who is this guy Peter Petrelli ?
It just like Nikki and Paulo. They had their chance to add as many new characters as they wanted with the Tail section but they chose to kill them all off and bring in some idiots we just never happen to see. LAME
LostEmissary
04-26-07, 04:16 AM
The island healing seems to be rooted in it fixing afflicted people and can heal wounds but if you have a massive hemorrhage that shoots blood out of you're ears then how long could you actually live. Wounds heal quicker but it has been made somewhat clear you can in fact die on the island. Its not that I didn't or don't like Mikhail its that if they wanted him around he should have escaped or something rather than the whole whoops he's alive deal. Who is this guy Peter Petrelli ?
It just like Nikki and Paulo. They had their chance to add as many new characters as they wanted with the Tail section but they chose to kill them all off and bring in some idiots we just never happen to see. LAMEIt's perhaps far fetched that he'd survive such an experience, but at the same time, I don't think it's any further fetched than a giant living cloud of smoke, manifestations of characters like Yemi, Walt, Christian, etc, or things like that. This show has been quasi-reality for a long time now. The fact that Mikail could have survived that ordeal isn't the strangest thing we've seen, not by a long shot.
The mistake they made was making his "death scene" so gory. By doing such, they made us assume that there was no WAY he could have survived it. If they had held back on the blood and foam, and just had him collapse as they left him for dead, it would probably be much more "acceptable," but honestly, i just don't see the big deal. There's far more strange things happening here than a guy surviving some bleeding and foaming at the mouth.
Not that I don't understand why it would make some roll their eyes, but I would think this would be something that you'd get over rather quickly. It's not a big deal. So what, he survived an unlikely-to-be-survived accident. So has everyone else who survived the plane crash, along with Locke, Eko, and Desmond surviving the hatch implosion/explosion, and along with Eko and Charlie surviving the dynamite explosion inside the Swan. No biggie ;)
MrSocko
04-26-07, 04:36 AM
Not that I don't understand why it would make some roll their eyes, but I would think this would be something that you'd get over rather quickly. It's not a big deal. So what, he survived an unlikely-to-be-survived accident. So has everyone else who survived the plane crash, along with Locke, Eko, and Desmond surviving the hatch implosion/explosion, and along with Eko and Charlie surviving the dynamite explosion inside the Swan. No biggie ;)
Agreed. While I figure some people dislike this move because it once again makes us have to question every thing that happens in an episode, saying "well maybe that didn't happen, maybe she was lying, maybe hes alive yatta yatta." But as far as him actually physically being alive, I think your examples go a long way to show why its not a big deal, especially since we really don't know anything about the fence and what it does. We know dynamite explodes, and we know Eko and Charlie were engulfed in flames. Apparently its not that bad though :D
Evilrabbit
04-26-07, 04:44 AM
If the fence was on, did Mikhail know he was going to survive? Even though the fence was apparently installed to keep out Smokey, the Others must have had some idea whether or not a person could survive going through it. If he did know, why did he say "Thank you"? I assumed it was because he'd rather die than continue to be a prisoner of the Losties, and all the crazy island stuff, and living alone unlike the other others, had driven him a little nuts and he was relieved it was over. But why would he say "Thank you" to someone for subjecting him to alot of pain for however long it was before he was healed if he knew he wasn't going to die? Maybe the others have been told the fence could kill, as some sort of deterrent to prevent them (those who don't rank high enough to get the code to turn off the fence) from escaping?
Amelia Earhart
04-26-07, 04:50 AM
this just another example of island healing. I wouldn't even be surprised if Klugh is alive too. Mikhail would know exactly where to shoot her such that the island could heal her. He also would know that the fence would only severely injure him to the point that losties would leave him for dead and he would be revived later. It was not faked!
I was thinking the same thing . :Cheers:
If the fence was on, did Mikhail know he was going to survive? Even though the fence was apparently installed to keep out Smokey, the Others must have had some idea whether or not a person could survive going through it. If he did know, why did he say "Thank you"? I assumed it was because he'd rather die than continue to be a prisoner of the Losties, and all the crazy island stuff, and living alone unlike the other others, had driven him a little nuts and he was relieved it was over. But why would he say "Thank you" to someone for subjecting him to alot of pain for however long it was before he was healed if he knew he wasn't going to die? Maybe the others have been told the fence could kill, as some sort of deterrent to prevent them (those who don't rank high enough to get the code to turn off the fence) from escaping?
Maybe they knew a person could survive, but would just be somewhat incapacitated. Saying thank you was perhaps because he would escape being punished for allowing S/K/L to get to the barracks.
LandPirate
04-26-07, 05:49 AM
I like Patchy. He is a lot like me. It is as if the writers created a character just for me. but...
Why Patchy being alive is absurd:
1. The cyclops had blood shooting out of his ears.
2. His one eyedness had foam coming out of his mouth.
3. The opague monocled one lay motionless for 1-3 hours while the Losties built and climbed a tree bridge over the fence.
4. Prior to the Russian Pirate there have been no noteworthy examples of People healing so fast from an injury incurred on the Island (Benry cuts, and Locke's cut on his eye come to mind as things that healed slowly). Yes Sawyer has recovered quickly from injuries on a number of occasions, but this has always been ascribed to literary license, since no one on the island comments on these quick recoveries the viewer has to conclude that the writers 'healed' him soley for the purpose of plot progression, not as part of a magical island plot.
rfwilliams2
04-26-07, 05:51 AM
I'm usually not one to gloat, but Boom-Shak-alaka. That is all.
IMLOSTRU?
04-26-07, 06:26 AM
:yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah:
When I saw him run out of the jungle, I hung my head.
I liked the eppy overall, but this was not a good move IMO.
I disagree. It goes to reinforce the island's healing powers. And to flush out some conversation between the Losties about the others. You all need to start thinking like writers of a 45 minute TV show that comes on once a week. This is 5 seasons. Everyone say "plot device".
Enoch Root
04-26-07, 06:31 AM
I believe the fence was active and Mikhail was definitely zapped.
Perhaps Mikhail was short of being dead, but the island's healing properties healed him at an accelerated rate.
I also noticed that Naomi is recovering rather quickly even though she had an apparent tracheotomy or Bronchotomy(?), albeit she was probably "morphed" up a bit... at least I would hope so.
Duh!
He even pointed out the healing properties of the island! Obviously it didn't kill him instantly so he could instantly begin healing at an accelerated rate.
what if locke knew he would survive because of the island's healing properties... no one on the island knows better than him about how it heals people (former lt. dan) and remember how shady he was acting when they made that trip to the others camp. i think it's possible that mr locke is a little more of an other than we realize...
Pay no mind to my ramblings...
drabauer
04-26-07, 07:03 AM
This can't be a coincidence: Mikhail says "thank you" when he is apparently killed by Locke. According to abark, (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34100) the parachutist says "there are others" which Mikhail mischeviously translates as "thank you." Hence "thank you" is code for "there are others," which is the REAL message Mikhail was broadcasting (because there are cameras everywhere) when Lock flung him at the fence.
Well done. This is clearly the right answer. For whatever reason, the fence was on when Locke pushed Mikhail, and it was off when Jules and Kate ran from Smokey. The questions "who turned it off?" and "why?" remain to be answered.
As was said, either the Others or Juliet(when she brought kate out into the jungle) Is what I believe.
DarthKitty
04-26-07, 09:20 AM
This can't be a coincidence: Mikhail says "thank you" when he is apparently killed by Locke. According to abark, (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34100) the parachutist says "there are others" which Mikhail mischeviously translates as "thank you." Hence "thank you" is code for "there are others," which is the REAL message Mikhail was broadcasting (because there are cameras everywhere) when Lock flung him at the fence.
I love that connection! Good thinking!:clap:
i think there has to he the ability to turn on/off from outside. think about when the plane crashed and ben sent ethan and goodwin out to the crash sites. they were in otherville, probably with the fence on. so ethan and goodwin need to get outside of it. how do they disarm then arm?
Something Mikhail said that makes me wonder... Something like he had already died once this week. Hmmmm...
DarthKitty
04-26-07, 11:48 AM
^ I don't think he meant that literally though.
Ein Stein
04-26-07, 11:50 AM
Tater: I assume he's being sarcastic, meaning "You think I've already died once this week"
If "thank you" is a secret message, who would Mikhail be referring to when he says it to Locke?
I just don't see how Mikhail could fake a death like that so perfectly....
1) He foamed from the mouth... (to do that you have got to have something in your mouth to trigger that foam, which he couldn't have because he had his hands handcuffed or tied.
2) He had obvious blood coming out of his EARS... (I'd like to see you shove ketchup packages in your ears.)
I think the fence was on when Mikhail was pushed into it, and it was turned off when the Others took off to wherever they are going....Finally, Juliette turned it back on when Smokey was after them.
When the Losties climbed over the fence they climbed over one of the posts....If the fence was on then that means the charge is not directed over the posts, only between them.
True, but that doesn't mean it killed him....may have hurt like hell, but remember what he said last night....the island heals quickly.
If "thank you" is a secret message, who would Mikhail be referring to when he says it to Locke?
As tantalizing as it seems to start connecting those kinds of things, I think we should be careful not to start projecting narrative meaning to patterns where they are only (if intentional) meant to be artistic.
Much in the way I've lost faith that the numbers actually mean something and are more a simple design motif within the creation of the show, so too can writers begin using repetitive lines or phrases to develop a sense of cohesion. They don't always indicate a secret code; they just satisfy an appetite for connection.
merry slug
04-26-07, 01:01 PM
I have to say I laughed my a$$ off when he came running out of the jungle. I truly thought the "Mikhail is still alive" people were delusional, but TPTB definitely got me on that one!
I have to say I laughed my a$$ off when he came running out of the jungle. I truly thought the "Mikhail is still alive" people were delusional, but TPTB definitely got me on that one!
Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing. Which makes me start to freak out about all the other things I haven't agreed with.
Spybinder
04-26-07, 01:23 PM
A bit off topic but, since we're talking about Mikhail... It's interesting that he was in the area where Danielle lives. If he saw the beacon flashing he would have headed there immediately and should have arrived before Desmond and the group. He could have seen the flare but, the point is he was in Danielle's territory...Why? Where is Danielle? Still following Alex and the Others? Did she head back after the Others left Othersville? Is Mikhail working with Danielle? Where was Mikhail headed? Oh...by the way...Where is Carl? So many questions.........
DarthKitty
04-26-07, 01:25 PM
Danielle and Mikhail :makeout:
carmela
04-26-07, 02:27 PM
My question here is why...why did TPTB not have Mikhail die? There has to be a greater purpose than just the comic shock value of having him jump out of the jungle. After almost 3 seasons, why did they decide to "fake" a character's death?
My guess is that the purpose ties back to the island's healing abilities based on his comment about wounds being different here.
krazyizz0
04-26-07, 02:27 PM
Just my two cents.
I use to be a keyholder for several different radioshack retail stores. And each one had a slightly different alarm system. The Majority of the stores had an alarm panel in the store behind the cash registers that you set then you have 30 seconds to get your a$$ out the door before it was armed. Another store had a different system. You primed the alarm panel (aka told the alarm panel you was leaving soon) then once outside you closed all the gates/shutters and put a key in an OUTSIDE keyhole beside the door and turned it to the right. This ARMED the system and set the alarm. Thus when you go to disarm the system you just had to have the key and turn it to the left and it disarmed it. Weird I know but these are real existing alarms.
So my opinion is that the sonic fence is real and can be armed and disarmed from either outside or inside the perimeter. You just punch in the code and either turn it off, or have 5 seconds to get your butt across before it sets. I am sure there are a zillion flaws with this, but just my opinion.
Also, I believe that the sonic fence was installed to keep out the krazy zoo animals dharma made and maybe smokie(If smokie was created by dharma). Why would you make a perimeter to keep people out on an isolated island that no one knows about?? Unless when they were making it they said...you know..."I think a plane might crash and leave 40 something survivors that might not like us much and try to infiltrate our camp we need to make a fence to keep them out in case that happens"
So...the fence is for the experiments not the people.
all i can say is, What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
scotpgot
04-26-07, 02:34 PM
I tend to believe Mikhail faked his own death. If they can fake it to film it for the tv show, it seems reasonable that Mikhail could fake it.
I don't buy the "island can heal anything" theories. After all, the Marshall suffered for days, and Boone suffered through his injuries. Why should they die and Mikhail not when he had blood and brains spilling out his ears?
seymour.w
04-26-07, 02:42 PM
I've always tried to extrapolate a rule on who gets healed and who does not. Could it have something to do with the definition of "good" people. Perhaps the island chooses who to heal on some unknown ruberic. What is common to Locke, Rose, Mikhail, Sawyer, Jin, (and I personally believe Christian) and not seen in Boone, The Marshall and Dr. Artzt? (Ok, that last one is just a joke)
I tend to believe Mikhail faked his own death. If they can fake it to film it for the tv show, it seems reasonable that Mikhail could fake it.
I don't buy the "island can heal anything" theories. After all, the Marshall suffered for days, and Boone suffered through his injuries. Why should they die and Mikhail not when he had blood and brains spilling out his ears?
There's a difference between rigging effects that can be altered/touched up on screen or manipulated on camera and convincing several people that you are literally spouting blood from your ears.
The suffering could be evidence of the healing plotline as a late edition. But Locke's legs appear to contradict that.
I think we'll endup seeing how the island can heal anything but doesn't always - and why. (ETA: see seymour's post above)
ADDENDUM: Seymour, how do you think the "good" and "bad" definitions integrate into the aborted fetuses? Are we seeing the mother's body unable to handle an ultimate purity? Are we seeing the island actually attacking innocence -- and therefore demonstrating an essentially evil nature [by extension, have our definitons of good and bad been completely backwards]?
Evil Science
04-26-07, 02:49 PM
Maybe when he went through the fence it burst his eardrums causing the blood and he then passed out (similar thing happens to divers if they descend too fast)....later the island heals his ears and he wakes up....voila.
However this does not explain him foaming at the mouth, or looking initially so calm
Still I am glad he's back, I would like to know what happened to his eye...
LostIsTony
04-26-07, 02:52 PM
I just want to give kudos to all of you that predicted that Mikhail was still alive. Many found this hard to believe (including me) after seeing his violent death but you all were right. Good job guys and girls.
Buddabing
04-26-07, 02:54 PM
I'm in the camp that believes that Patchy is dead and what they saw was Smokey.
Although we haven't seen Smokey transform into a person on screen, I believe that Smokey can either absorb a dead body, assume its shape if the dead body has decomposed, or construct a body from its scans.
That explains a lot: Mickey being thoroughly dead, Dave, Yemi, Christian, Kate's horse, Sawyer's boar, visions of Walt, whispers in the jungle, etc., heck maybe even Locke and Boone's drug-induced visions.
Maybe in season 1, the first six weeks or so, Smokey had not perfected the method of constructing the bodies and providing the sound, or it was experimenting. Thus, Christian never said anything to Jack, and we had the boar and horse, no sound required, plus the whispers in the jungle.
In season 2, Smokey gradually grew more skilled at impersonation, so at the beginning we got wet Walt, and by the end we got Dave, and Yemi (early S3).
Now, the constructed bodies can interact with the physical world in a detailed way.
Danielsam
04-26-07, 03:01 PM
I don't know if anyone has made this observation but if Mikhail was killed by the fence and came back to life because of the islands powers- Mikhail said that the woman will heal from the punctured lung in a day or day and a half. What are the implications of all the others who have already died and are now buried? Will they come back to life just like the apparition? of Jack's father in season 1
Danielsam
04-26-07, 03:11 PM
This also would play into the whole thing about the passengers all being dead but ressurected on the island.
I Hate Seabillies
04-26-07, 03:42 PM
This also would play into the whole thing about the passengers all being dead but ressurected on the island.
If by saying all the passengers are dead, you're relying on the parachutists comments that flight 815 there were no survivors, you may be reading that the wrong way.
It seems plausible that to draw attention away from the plane crashing on the island and to avoid search efforts, Dharma/Hanso/whoever staged a false crash site where no survivors were found.
RockCandy
04-26-07, 03:48 PM
Certain people heal on the island, while others die. Maybe Patchy knew the parachutist and knew she was one of the people who would heal.
Does this mean that Nikki and Paulo are just waiting for someone to dig them up?
:crazy1:
Does this mean that Nikki and Paulo are just waiting for someone to dig them up?
:crazy1:
Oh man. I didn't believe it until you just said it.
Danielsam
04-26-07, 04:40 PM
Nikki wasn't even dead, but buried alive ahhh!!!! Zombies in the truest form.
seymour.w
04-26-07, 04:43 PM
ADDENDUM: Seymour, how do you think the "good" and "bad" definitions integrate into the aborted fetuses? Are we seeing the mother's body unable to handle an ultimate purity? Are we seeing the island actually attacking innocence -- and therefore demonstrating an essentially evil nature [by extension, have our definitons of good and bad been completely backwards]?
That's really tough, and something I have thought about. I don't know what it might have to do with my theory on the island only healing good people, but I have thought that it might have something to do with the island wanting control over everybody who comes to the island.
Hodgepodge
04-26-07, 07:22 PM
I was one of the many who said Mikhail Bakunin was killed when Locke pushed him into sonic fence. :footinmou
Does this mean that Nikki and Paulo are just waiting for someone to dig them up?
:crazy1:
They just need to start feeding them datura after they dig them up and they could have a pair of zombies!
That's really tough, and something I have thought about. I don't know what it might have to do with my theory on the island only healing good people, but I have thought that it might have something to do with the island wanting control over everybody who comes to the island.
Reduak's comments here (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33491&page=3) attempt to make sense of the fetus problem. It still doesn't account, though, for the varying healing effects we've seen, so perhaps both morality and scientific anomalies are converging.
Cluck You
05-06-07, 09:39 AM
I still think the fence is not designed to prevent the passage of people. It's designed for Smokey. It's a Smokey-B-Gone fence. I don't think Bakunin ever died. I think he faked it as a last ditch effort to keep the rescue team from advancing any further. The Others have proven time and time again that they are willing to go pretty far in the theatrical arena to get the Losties to believe things that aren't true. Remember, Bakunin tried to convince them that he was a Dharma goon initially. He probably had some set protocol for situations like this, being that he was alone at the Flame and could be attacked or taken hostage.
If he did die and was resurrected by the island I will be highly dissappointed. :rolleyez: If they explain it away by telling us this Bakunin is not the same one we saw bubbling up earlier. That he's a clone or some "alternate universe Bakunin" I'd be more willing to accept that. I mean it's possible. The show seems to be heading in that direction with the idea of time and space manipulation. I'm willing to bet that's how Desmond knows the future, he's seen the alternate possiblities...
When Ben didn't rearm the system last night, I was waiting for the "incident" to be that Smokey had broken the perimeter. Cus I'm pretty convinced it's designed for him as well.
the fence was set to stun and not kill was pretty bad copout.
I think we were thrown a bone on this last night. I think when Ben said to Mikhail "I thought you were dead", he said it disdainfully, as if, "why are you here now ruining that illusion"?? In other words, his death was faked, it was part of Ben's plan, and Ben seems to enjoy setting up games. Mikhail was never to die, only to appear dead, so he could go off, do his thing in peace for Ben, and not be thought of again. Then Naomi came and ruined that part of Ben's plan--twice.
A game is being played for the Losties expense, but outside forces are about to for Ben to change his overall focus really soon. In fact, it may even cost him his life.
Luthiena
05-10-07, 09:42 PM
It kind of bugged me that he said, "The pylons weren't set at fatal level" (or something like that)
I dunno, it just seemed kinda like a cheap way to explain it... *shrug*
But, I'm not complaining... I'm a Patchy fan! :D
Hodgepodge
05-15-07, 12:06 AM
Moving to the Redshirts and Other Characters forum for continued discussion.
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